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| Estel_ | Stskeeps, Coding Competition isn't burning in flames, it wa scommunity Award | 06:16 |
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| Estel_ | few people tried attacking coding Competition, but we're defending it hard, and it seems, that it will remain virgin :) | 06:16 |
| Stskeeps | Estel_: close enough, it's a big fat mess anyway | 06:17 |
| Estel_ | i.e. Coding Competition is working fine, and everyone can participate, without much risk of being pulled into flamewar | 06:17 |
| Estel_ | sure | 06:17 |
| Stskeeps | and takes attention away from what really needs to be done | 06:17 |
| Estel_ | absolutely agree, but it seems it lost it's momentum week or more ago, and it';s making last breaths. | 06:17 |
| Estel_ | most of actually reaosnable people are spending their time in threads related to migrating infrastructure | 06:18 |
| Estel_ | so I think it will end ok :) | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, it's 8am on a sunday, i haven't had coffee, this conversation won't end well :P | 06:18 |
| Estel_ | as for others, they're no useful for any discussion that ends up in real work needed to be done, so no much loss | 06:18 |
| Estel_ | haha, enjoy Your coffeee, i'm on same timezone. | 06:19 |
| Estel_ | except that i'm listening to Tori Amos albums and they're working much better than any coffee ;) | 06:19 |
| Stskeeps | in tatra mountains and my uncle-in-law gave me a bit too much martini and bourbon last night.. | 06:19 |
| iekku | morning | 06:25 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning jstaniek :) | 06:38 |
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| jstaniek | morning Stskeeps! | 06:46 |
| jstaniek | hi * | 06:46 |
| jstaniek | Stskeeps: at Akademy? | 06:46 |
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| Stskeeps | jstaniek: nah, i was first in denmark, then finland for Devaamo Summit, then berlin for QtCS and i decided i needed a week off | 06:46 |
| jstaniek | ah makes sense indeed | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | else i would have been at roskilde festival now ;) | 06:47 |
| jstaniek | Stskeeps: and... enjoyed the visits? | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it was a good trip but very tired in the end | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | QtCS was an interesting experience after recent news | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | .. and so was finland as it happened the day i flew there | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | i have pretty good faith in qt5 getting out the door and qt-project becoming even more open, at least | 06:49 |
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| jstaniek | yeah, I'd liketo see it adopted at Warsaw too... ;) | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | qt5's really much nicer to deal with from embedded perspective | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | i have a virtual machine with llvmpipe, wayland, mer, busybox and qml compositor | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | and it's absolutely fantastic to work with | 06:51 |
| jstaniek | +1! | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | no x dependencies whatsoever, too | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | and if i wanted x, just include the platform plugin.. | 06:56 |
| jstaniek | I'm hoping to adopt wayland too | 06:56 |
| jstaniek | for now I am depending on QWS, what sucks | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 06:56 |
| jstaniek | and had to ask someone to write multitouch driver... | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | we're doing a bit of an effort with https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Zephyr as a way to add those capabilities to Mer | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | starting out with hardware we know can do wayland, or at least the combo of qtwayland hw integration of qt qml compositor | 06:58 |
| jstaniek | ah, how is multitouch progressing in Qt5? | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | good question really, i haven't tried it | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | but i think somebody made a xi2.2 patch for x side at least | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | we have multitouch working fine in mer due to xi2 patch | 06:59 |
| jstaniek | anyway, qt is supported by freescale itself... as long as I use right kernel | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:59 |
| jstaniek | so thanks to Nokia (despite of Elop), qt beats competition in embedded market indeed | 07:00 |
| jstaniek | people (that look just at nokia phones collapse) forget that... | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 07:01 |
| jstaniek | I've not seen so smooth process of leaving the platform as in Nokia; typically it's the MS/Oracle way - think VB6 | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | well, on the plus side: there is a -lot- of capable non-android and qt people on the market now.. | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:02 |
| jstaniek | yes | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | and a new bunch of startups which could be utilizing mer to not have to carry a system burden.. | 07:03 |
| Estel_ | Stskeeps, what would be needed to have possibility of writing GPS support for N950 in Mer? | 07:03 |
| Estel_ | it's locked somehoiw? Or just lack of working hands? | 07:03 |
| jstaniek | good I'd like to see that... will try to follow these German or Finnish startups | 07:04 |
| Estel_ | N950/N9 | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | Estel_: not likely, sadly | 07:04 |
| jstaniek | Stskeeps: BTW, as MS just abandoned XAML what means QML has fewer competitors (50% good, 50% bad) | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | Estel_: the location stack is totally different and you'd need to decode the broadcom gps'es stuff | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | Estel_: and we don't have that blob redistributable | 07:04 |
| Estel_ | ouh. | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | (and never will have) | 07:04 |
| Estel_ | erm, bluetooth gps externally sounds like less painful option? | 07:05 |
| Estel_ | for those? | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | Estel_: probably yes | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | jstaniek: yeah.. but it will be very difficult to convince anybody of qml as a viable strategy for an app story though | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | for building systems - sure | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | but for app story? not likely | 07:05 |
| jstaniek | Stskeeps: any nonnative etch on mobile is a hard proposal | 07:06 |
| jstaniek | so right | 07:07 |
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| jstaniek | that said... at least for Tizen, which has already 4 APIs in the plans :) | 07:07 |
| jstaniek | so nobody would cry to have 5th :) | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | i'm so not impressed of tizen's git repos not being updated for 3-4 weeks, but that's another issue.. | 07:08 |
| jstaniek | Stskeeps: that's standard from people that work 18 hours a day :) | 07:09 |
| jstaniek | it's a lot even comparef to other teams at the same company in the same campus... | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just happy to finally see commercial involvement in/use of Mer as well, and that the way it's being done is similar to current working methods.. | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | means it has all been worth it to get to this point | 07:13 |
| jstaniek | definitely; Tizen is irrelevant for me -but I won't forget just one thing they did (with the support from Jim-gimmie-$500k-Zemlin): claiming that Tizen is _the_ successor of MeeGo, that there's transition path | 07:13 |
| jstaniek | Jim wasn't a star already at the #1 QtCS | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, to their defense, when tizen ivi came out, that was transition for those who were using meego for IVI | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | which was the biggest area | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | but that came waaay late | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, it's a total SNAFU :) | 07:15 |
| jstaniek | IVI does not seem to be focus at least in declarations - it is not visible in mass media | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | which sucks, because their stack really isn't bad | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | qt, clutter, gtk, etc.. | 07:15 |
| jstaniek | this may be why IVI still does technically better | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | systemd with user sessions, security, etc | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | .. and that it's practically mer | 07:16 |
| jstaniek | btw, do you have any link that lists commercial involvement for Mer? | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | not yet.. we were working on a website redesign that helps list active vendors | 07:17 |
| jstaniek | good, transparency... | 07:18 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, i'm running out of battery (in the tatra mountains), so i'll talk to you later :) | 07:21 |
| jstaniek | bye | 07:21 |
| jstaniek | have a good time in Tatra | 07:21 |
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| dm8tbr | mhhh, tatra... | 07:39 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, phaeron: does this have the transparent prjlinks patch? | 08:59 |
| lbt | yes | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | i'm working on be since it's quiet today | 09:00 |
| lbt | I squashed phaeron's changes into a single patch for us (since they overwrote each other) | 09:00 |
| lbt | we may need to break it up for pushing | 09:01 |
| lbt | nb .. you mean "Make prjcopy work with prjlinks" patch? | 09:02 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | i mean transparent prjlinks, the thing where localdep actually checks the 'old' project | 09:03 |
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| Stskeeps | the stuff that makes our build tests fast | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/0001-repserver-Make-prjlinks-a-bit-more-transparent.patch | 09:05 |
| lbt | that's not in there | 09:08 |
| lbt | OTOH I think it may have been re-written | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | let's wait for phaeron | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | as it's pretty essential for fast mer | 09:08 |
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| lbt | https://github.com/Merproject/open-build-service/commit/ce8a73c5f0e88ba3bdf602102b74511fc946432f | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | btw, i have some local mer CI patches for tmpfs and kvm -cpu host, we should sit down and discuss those at some point | 09:10 |
| * Stskeeps makes a bug | 09:10 | |
| lbt | also consider that patch rejected with an insufficiently explanatory commit message :) | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | (adding a bug because it's bad practice what i'm doing there..) | 09:12 |
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| lbt | the CI? | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:13 |
| lbt | agreed, but we're redeploying the workers so we can do it the upstream way now | 09:13 |
| lbt | and then fix that if there's an issue | 09:13 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders for a couple of seconds | 09:14 | |
| Stskeeps | ok, that makes sense | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | can you shut down the workers? | 09:15 |
| lbt | I'm off out today so now's not a great time | 09:16 |
| lbt | but I can if you like | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:17 |
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| lbt | the upstream way does have some issues - sorted on c.obs but we needed to add some checks/hacks | 09:18 |
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| Stskeeps | shut down phost2, 4 workers | 09:20 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: is puppet suppposed to be installed on phost4..? | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | (because it's not) | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | just caught it (again) being 90s behind | 09:24 |
| lbt | yes, it's supposed to be | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:26 |
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| lbt | so what are you planning? | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | right now bringing it into sync with what we have in prerelease | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | ie, CI | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | and testing it through | 09:27 |
| lbt | upgrading OBS you mean ? | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:27 |
| lbt | using dcp etc | 09:27 |
| lbt | I just want to keep it tidy so it takes less time to manage :) | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | that's the idea.. | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | though i need to remind myself how to use dcp | 09:28 |
| lbt | so no strange LVs or 'special' setups :) | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | sure, keeping it clean.. | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:29 |
| lbt | mmm obs-api-2.3.1-1.3.x86_64 ? | 09:29 |
| phaeron | morning | 09:29 |
| lbt | hey phaeron | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: transparent prjlinks.. do we have that in our trees? | 09:30 |
| * lbt is wondering why CI fe hasn't got a mer-ised rpm version | 09:30 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: from mer obs | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i don't know either, but it's from that repo.. | 09:30 |
| phaeron | I thought it was already in the mer patches branches | 09:30 |
| phaeron | I'll have to check | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | can we verify somehow? | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | k | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | it should be very useful for mer vendors too | 09:30 |
| lbt | https://github.com/Merproject/open-build-service/commits/mer-2.3.1/ | 09:31 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: mmm | 09:31 |
| lbt | http://repo.pub.meego.com/releases/Mer-OBS/2.3.1mer1.02/builds/x86_64/packages/x86_64/ | 09:31 |
| lbt | has obs-server-2.3.1-1.3.x86_64.rpm and obs-server-2.3.1-1.2.2Mer.x86_64.rpm | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | okay.. | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | next question is why there's two | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | also, 1.3 is naturally bigger than 1.2 | 09:33 |
| lbt | I did a rebuild --all last night when I changed the prjconf | 09:33 |
| lbt | I suspect it didn't clean the old binaries | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | you should have wipebinaries too | 09:33 |
| lbt | I'm getting that .... :) | 09:34 |
| lbt | redoing the release | 09:35 |
| lbt | sry | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so bad time to reboot be i guess | 09:35 |
| * Stskeeps waits | 09:36 | |
| Stskeeps | also, it should really be .03 this time around? | 09:36 |
| lbt | well, the only thing 'wrong' is that the version is missing the mer suffix | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | still, we should make some kind of notion that when you've announced a release, no backsies.. | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | then content stays the same | 09:37 |
| * lbt invokes the 5 second rule (with an exception for saturday night/sun morning) | 09:37 | |
| Stskeeps | meh | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | i started using it, maybe others did too ;) | 09:37 |
| lbt | yeah | 09:38 |
| * Stskeeps waits for release.. | 09:40 | |
| lbt | so rebuild doesn't wipebinaries but wipebinaries does rebuild | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | rebuild just triggers an event change | 09:42 |
| lbt | a triggered rebuild would normally replace old binaries | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | unless it's similar to last binary | 09:43 |
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| Stskeeps | also, why don't we have MDS init.d scripts.. | 09:49 |
| * Stskeeps files bug | 09:49 | |
| lbt | because I use systemd on my mds box | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | WORKSFORME? ;) | 09:51 |
| lbt | the unit is on the mds wiki page iirc | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i know | 09:51 |
| lbt | ah, so yeah, WFM | 09:51 |
| lbt | and.... OBS is done | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | new .repo url? | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | and is the version numbers > last ones? | 09:52 |
| lbt | http://repo.pub.meego.com/releases/Mer-OBS/2.3.1mer1.03/ and no | 09:53 |
| lbt | a release does not touch software so no rpm version changes | 09:53 |
| lbt | that was a bad snapshot, not a bad build as such | 09:53 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | update latest.repo too? | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | points to 02 atm | 09:58 |
| lbt | OK all done | 09:58 |
| lbt | .repo files are not part of script yet so needed manual tweak | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:58 |
| * lbt is late ... gotta grab a shower | 09:58 | |
| lbt | back in a min before I go out :) | 09:59 |
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| Stskeeps | hello SfietKonstantin | 10:05 |
| SfietKonstantin | Stskeeps: hi | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 10:05 |
| SfietKonstantin | Stskeeps: well, I have some troubles with mic | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | always a good start | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | do you have the Mer Platform SDK? | 10:05 |
| SfietKonstantin | Stskeeps: I'm running mic with the sdk | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | ok, ls -l /etc/mtab and show me the error you get when running mic? | 10:06 |
| SfietKonstantin | Stskeeps: mic error : Error <mount>: 1-Failed to allocate loop device for '/var/tmp/mic/imgcreate-xxxxxxxxxxx | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | and ls -l /etc/mtab ? | 10:07 |
| SfietKonstantin | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jun 30 12:53 /etc/mtab | 10:07 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | sudo rm /etc/mtab inside the sdk, and sudo ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | and try mic again | 10:08 |
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| SfietKonstantin | ok | 10:08 |
| SfietKonstantin | (inside the sdk because outside it would be bad ...) | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes, inside the sdk for ln -s too | 10:09 |
| SfietKonstantin | yeah | 10:09 |
| SfietKonstantin | still wrong | 10:10 |
| SfietKonstantin | same error | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok, cat /etc/mtab shows sanity? | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | ie, it gives some output | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | sudo kpartx -d /dev/loop*; sudo losetup -d /dev/loop* | 10:11 |
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| SfietKonstantin | http://pastebin.com/mnzyWyHF | 10:11 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, progress | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | show me the line you use to generate the image? | 10:12 |
| SfietKonstantin | http://pastebin.com/MHYMkqB7 | 10:12 |
| SfietKonstantin | sudo mic cr raw my2.ks --pkgmgr=yum --arch=i686 | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | sudo mic -dv cr raw my2.ks --pkgmgr=yum --arch=i686 | 10:12 |
| SfietKonstantin | complaining about missing syslinux (installing it now) | 10:14 |
| phaeron | lbt: I think you missed the patch while doing rebases | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | SfietKonstantin: when did you download the sdk? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: i'm not sure we ever had it in Merproject/ | 10:15 |
| SfietKonstantin | Stskeeps: ... quite a long time ago i think | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | but i might be wrong | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | SfietKonstantin: ok, if you re-download and can verify the syslinux issue again, please report a bug | 10:16 |
| SfietKonstantin | k | 10:16 |
| SfietKonstantin | ok i will redownload i think | 10:16 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: you applied it by hand ? | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: might be | 10:16 |
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| Stskeeps | a bit too much of ducttape methodology, i think | 10:20 |
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| phaeron | I have no idea what lbt did with the rebase | 10:30 |
| phaeron | which branch is he building from | 10:31 |
| phaeron | lbt: ping | 10:33 |
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| phaeron | ..waiting | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | he said he'd possibly be out this afternoon | 10:38 |
| phaeron | argh | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | either way, i'm not going to be able to finish this up before tomorrow anyway | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | and i want to do some copyprj experiments while CI is shut down | 10:42 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: https://github.com/Merproject/open-build-service/commit/40489fe4cc832d5f4e6a75a38a3babaf224ea27c | 11:43 |
| phaeron | lbt: ^ | 11:43 |
| phaeron | I cherry picked it and rebased it on the patches branch you build from | 11:43 |
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| phaeron | so review and merge please | 11:44 |
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| Termana | morning | 12:14 |
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| SfietKonstantin | hi once again | 13:16 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 13:16 |
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| SfietKonstantin | i still have some problem with platform sdk :( | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 13:49 |
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| SfietKonstantin | Stskeeps: yeah ... it is still saying that it cannot allocate loop device | 14:02 |
| SfietKonstantin | Stskeeps: with a fresh install | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | yes, did you fix mtab? | 14:05 |
| SfietKonstantin | Stskeeps: mtab is pointing on /proc/mounts | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | and mic -dv ? | 14:06 |
| SfietKonstantin | http://pastebin.com/3DzY2xDg | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | ok, i need my laptop to debug this, i'll be back in like 3 1/2 hours latest | 14:12 |
| SfietKonstantin | ok | 14:12 |
| SfietKonstantin | thanks | 14:12 |
| SfietKonstantin | but i might not be on irc anymore | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok, please file a bug at bug.s.merproject.org and let's track it through there | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | SfietKonstantin: sorry about these problems, it's a scenario that ought to work out of box | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | did you use sdk mount and enter? | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | bugs.merproject.org that is | 14:17 |
| phaeron | SfietKonstantin: is the loop module loaded on your host OS ? | 14:22 |
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| SfietKonstantin | Stskeeps: yes, i mount and entered | 14:34 |
| SfietKonstantin | phaeron: how to check that ? | 14:34 |
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| phaeron | SfietKonstantin: outside the sdk chroot lsmod | grep loop | 14:36 |
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| SfietKonstantin | phaeron: nothing | 14:37 |
| SfietKonstantin | phaeron: this might explain something ... | 14:38 |
| phaeron | ok try "modprobe loop" | 14:38 |
| phaeron | sudo modprobe loop if you are not root | 14:38 |
| SfietKonstantin | phaeron: better | 14:39 |
| SfietKonstantin | thanks | 14:39 |
| SfietKonstantin | but now ... | 14:39 |
| SfietKonstantin | CreatorError: <creator>Failed to find package 'syslinux' : No package(s) available to install | 14:39 |
| phaeron | what type of image are you trying to create ? | 14:39 |
| SfietKonstantin | a livecd currently | 14:40 |
| phaeron | ah , that probably won't work | 14:40 |
| phaeron | specially if you are trying to create an armv7hl livecd | 14:40 |
| phaeron | no such thing exists afaik | 14:40 |
| phaeron | :D | 14:40 |
| SfietKonstantin | no, currently, i'm creating a i586 livecd | 14:40 |
| phaeron | ok. best is to create a raw image , and boot it in some vm like virtual box or kvm | 14:41 |
| SfietKonstantin | so it is impossible to create livecd currently ? | 14:41 |
| phaeron | I am not sure. I don't anyone tried | 14:42 |
| SfietKonstantin | with raw, it seems way better | 14:42 |
| phaeron | I don't think anyone tried | 14:42 |
| SfietKonstantin | wait no | 14:42 |
| SfietKonstantin | even with raw there is the syslinux problem | 14:42 |
| phaeron | hmm | 14:42 |
| phaeron | ok do : sudo zypper ref ; sudo zypper in syslinux | 14:42 |
| SfietKonstantin | no update candidate (already installed and up to date) | 14:43 |
| phaeron | ok .. zypper in syslinux-extlinux | 14:43 |
| SfietKonstantin | installed too | 14:44 |
| phaeron | meh | 14:44 |
| phaeron | does mic say anything about bootstrap ? | 14:44 |
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| SfietKonstantin | no | 14:45 |
| phaeron | yeah it shouldn't .. why is it trying to install syslinux anywhere | 14:46 |
| SfietKonstantin | http://pastebin.com/HyB1gU3n | 14:46 |
| SfietKonstantin | a pastebin should be clearer | 14:46 |
| phaeron | SfietKonstantin: syslinux is not in mer core | 14:48 |
| phaeron | you probably need to add another repourl to your kickstart | 14:48 |
| phaeron | http://repo.pub.meego.com/Mer:/Tools/Mer_Core_i586/ | 14:48 |
| phaeron | like this one | 14:48 |
| SfietKonstantin | i'm very newbie with ks | 14:49 |
| SfietKonstantin | i'm only trying to install mer core | 14:50 |
| SfietKonstantin | it should not ask for syslinux right ? | 14:50 |
| phaeron | to create a bootable raw it needs a bootloader | 14:51 |
| phaeron | which is what syslinux does | 14:51 |
| phaeron | if you create a rootfs (image type fs) only then it won't ask for that | 14:52 |
| phaeron | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Kickstart | 14:52 |
| SfietKonstantin | hum ... then, shouldn't syslinux be included in mer core then ? seems quite useful | 14:52 |
| phaeron | no mer core is not tied to certain hardware or architecture | 14:52 |
| phaeron | bootloaders are considered part of hardware adaptation | 14:52 |
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| SfietKonstantin | hum ... | 14:53 |
| phaeron | add a line like : repo --name=mer-tools --baseurl=http://repo.pub.meego.com/Mer:/Tools/Mer_Core_i586/ | 14:53 |
| SfietKonstantin | ok | 14:53 |
| phaeron | and hopefully it will work | 14:53 |
| SfietKonstantin | seems not happy with dependancies now | 14:56 |
| phaeron | you could try the repostories provide by this project instead : https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3Ax86-generic | 14:56 |
| phaeron | it has some useful stuff for this situation | 14:57 |
| phaeron | so instead of the line you just added | 14:57 |
| phaeron | replace the url with http://repo.pub.meego.com/CE:/Adaptation:/x86-generic/Mer_Core_i586/ | 14:57 |
| SfietKonstantin | ok | 14:58 |
| SfietKonstantin | from now it seems like i have to learn how to write a ks file | 14:59 |
| phaeron | it's quite simple | 14:59 |
| phaeron | check that wiki link I pasted | 14:59 |
| SfietKonstantin | ok | 14:59 |
| phaeron | repo --name=mer-tools --baseurl=http://repo.pub.meego.com/CE:/Adaptation:/x86-generic/Mer_Core_i586/ | 15:00 |
| phaeron | so the line would look like this | 15:00 |
| SfietKonstantin | to know what to put in my image | 15:01 |
| phaeron | well you base off an already available ks like this very simple one : http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-i586.ks | 15:02 |
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| SfietKonstantin | i'm gonna do this i think | 15:03 |
| SfietKonstantin | i hope that tonight i'm gonna have my first image | 15:06 |
| SfietKonstantin | what's wrong with this ks http://pastebin.com/cGNxgeeK | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully :) | 15:07 |
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| phaeron | SfietKonstantin: compare it to the kickstart I linked to , you changed some things that might not validate | 15:09 |
| phaeron | like password= | 15:09 |
| SfietKonstantin | i have seen password= | 15:09 |
| SfietKonstantin | for an empty password in another ks | 15:09 |
| SfietKonstantin | the problem is dependancy | 15:09 |
| SfietKonstantin | it seems like if i only install @Mer core | 15:10 |
| SfietKonstantin | it is sad because of unsatisfied dependancy | 15:10 |
| phaeron | hmm well you're on the right path then :) | 15:10 |
| SfietKonstantin | :) | 15:11 |
| SfietKonstantin | i'm gonna try to create a fs and check if there is still dependancy pb | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | do you use -A i686? | 15:14 |
| SfietKonstantin | i used -a i586 | 15:15 |
| SfietKonstantin | and i think the problem come from there | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | ok yes | 15:17 |
| SfietKonstantin | yeah ! | 15:23 |
| SfietKonstantin | finally it seems that it is working ! | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | excellent | 15:24 |
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| SfietKonstantin | thanks a lot phaeron and Stskeeps :) | 15:29 |
| SfietKonstantin | it works :) | 15:29 |
| phaeron | welcome :) | 15:31 |
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| SfietKonstantin | well | 15:39 |
| SfietKonstantin | one last question | 15:40 |
| SfietKonstantin | what to do with a raw file | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | write to usb, sd card, harddisk | 15:42 |
| SfietKonstantin | with vbox ? | 15:42 |
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| SfietKonstantin | it's ok, there is a converter to vdi format | 15:46 |
| SfietKonstantin | thanks :) | 15:46 |
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| lbt | mmm just back from dancing.... left my wallet + jacket ... back in a couple of hours :/ | 18:12 |
| iekku | lbt, i have same feeling several times | 18:13 |
| lbt | iekku: fun eh? :D | 18:17 |
| lbt | still, was a great afternoon - Blues + Tango | 18:18 |
| iekku | i was fishing :) | 18:19 |
| iekku | managed to get even 2 small bass | 18:19 |
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| shmerl | Hi! | 18:38 |
| CosmoHill | ho | 18:39 |
| shmerl | Is it possible to add autoconf 2.13 to the Mer repos? | 18:39 |
| shmerl | Trying to build Firefox for Vivaldi, and Mozilla has this nasty dependency on autoconf 2.13 | 18:39 |
| shmerl | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104642 | 18:39 |
| shmerl | Actually, many distros package it, since versions > 2.13 removed some functionality. | 18:41 |
| wmarone | wow, old bug is old | 18:41 |
| shmerl | Yep. | 18:42 |
| shmerl | Old and nasty :) | 18:42 |
| shmerl | Debian and openSUSe ship autoconf213 because of that. | 18:42 |
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| shmerl | Other useful package is yasm. | 18:43 |
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| shmerl | (easily buildable from source though). | 18:43 |
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| phaeron | back | 18:49 |
| phaeron | shmerl: I had similar issue so I built it here https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=autoconf213&project=Project%3ACordia%3AGNOME%3AShell | 18:50 |
| phaeron | shmerl: you can copy it | 18:50 |
| shmerl | Oh, thanks. Do you plan to add it to the Mer repository so it can be pulled with zypper? | 18:51 |
| shmerl | I'm not exactly sure how it works for different targets. | 18:51 |
| shmerl | I'm instlalling stuff for Vivaldi with sb2. | 18:52 |
| shmerl | Something like: | 18:52 |
| shmerl | sb2 -m sdk-install -R zypper install ... | 18:52 |
| phaeron | shmerl: it's for Stskeeps to ultimately decide, but I would think mer core is not interested in bloating itself with build deps of external stuff. you can always add extra repos and build stuff in them for your stuff | 18:53 |
| phaeron | like what CE , PA or Cordia are doing | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | we'll prolly have some shared repo eventually for pulling from shelf stuff | 18:54 |
| phaeron | probably zypper ar <url of repo> | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | we want to keep core qa'able so | 18:54 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: yes it is common that people want to build mozjs or xulrunner or whatever and you need that old autoconf | 18:54 |
| shmerl | Yep, that's a common dependency for Mozilla stuff unfortunately. | 18:55 |
| shmerl | For now it can be buildable from soruce, as yasm I guess. | 18:56 |
| shmerl | (yasm and libIDL are also missing) | 18:56 |
| shmerl | So each target maintains a separate repo? | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | why doesn't nss and nspr eed it then? :P | 18:57 |
| shmerl | May be some other components do. | 18:57 |
| shmerl | https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Linux_Build_Prerequisites | 18:57 |
| shmerl | When building from source, I have to do something like this? | 19:01 |
| shmerl | sb2 -m sdk-install -R make install | 19:01 |
| shmerl | Otherwise it won't permit installing (non root) | 19:01 |
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| Stskeeps | or use DESTDIR | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | to a dir for deployment | 19:05 |
| shmerl | You mean if not into default? | 19:05 |
| shmerl | I'd rather put it into default so other parts can pick it up. | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | then yes, -R needed | 19:06 |
| shmerl | OK | 19:06 |
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| shmerl | Also, I noticed wget is missing from the Mer repo. It's often useful. | 19:07 |
| shmerl | I substitute it with curl though. | 19:08 |
| phaeron | curl works :) | 19:08 |
| phaeron | yes | 19:08 |
| shmerl | Yep, but some scripts already can use wget and etc. | 19:08 |
| shmerl | It's a common tool. | 19:08 |
| phaeron | then it should be in the Tools project :) | 19:08 |
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| shmerl | That's another repo? | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we collect tools in mer:tools | 19:09 |
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| Stskeeps | sdk has that repo added | 19:10 |
| phaeron | it's in CE:Utils though | 19:10 |
| phaeron | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=wget&project=CE%3AUtils | 19:10 |
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| shmerl | When I do zypper search wget - I don't get it. | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | ah, wget isnt in tools | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | it should | 19:10 |
| shmerl | Hm, I found it when using the target: | 19:11 |
| shmerl | sb2 -m sdk-install -R zypper search wget | 19:11 |
| shmerl | Regular zypper search doesn't find it though. | 19:11 |
| shmerl | (inside the SDK) | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:11 |
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| Stskeeps | prolly not sharing same repos | 19:12 |
| shmerl | autoconf builds from source OK. | 19:15 |
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| shmerl | curl -C- -O http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/autoconf/autoconf-2.13.tar.gz | 19:16 |
| shmerl | tar -xvzf autoconf-2.13.tar.gz | 19:16 |
| shmerl | cd autoconf-2.13/ | 19:16 |
| shmerl | sb2 ./configure --program-suffix=2.13 | 19:16 |
| shmerl | sb2 make | 19:16 |
| shmerl | sb2 -m sdk-install -R make install | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | works? | 19:17 |
| shmerl | Yes | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | cool | 19:22 |
| shmerl | Now to figure how to set up Mozilla build :) Harmattan one used bunch of stuff not present in Mer/Vivaldi. | 19:23 |
| shmerl | Like libmeegotouch and etc. | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | how's your impression of platform sdk and sb2 usage? | 19:24 |
| shmerl | So far usable, but requires some learning. | 19:24 |
| shmerl | I'd explain more clearly how repos are organized in the documentation. | 19:24 |
| shmerl | It's somewhat confusing. | 19:24 |
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| Stskeeps | want to help organise sdk guide a bit? like simplifying | 19:25 |
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| shmerl | It's somewhat split now between regular part, and target specific parts. | 19:28 |
| shmerl | I.e. first you read this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 19:29 |
| shmerl | Then this https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 | 19:29 |
| shmerl | And for specific target. | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:30 |
| shmerl | May be it's OK, but looks a bit complicated for someone who just sets it up for building some stuff (not OS itself) | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | agreed | 19:30 |
| shmerl | But instructions are good, if you read them carefully. | 19:32 |
| shmerl | Just not a "one click" install :) | 19:32 |
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| shmerl | I'd probably put the building image as a later entry. | 19:34 |
| shmerl | Since OS builders will have more exp anyway. | 19:34 |
| shmerl | And more regular developers will be first interested in how to compile regular applications. | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | true | 19:34 |
| jonni | I used to use sb2 internally for harmattan untill some 'wise expert' decided that sb1 is the way to go :) | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i prefer sb2 over sb1 | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | after we did the work to mix sb2 and obs it really started being interesting | 19:40 |
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