Friday, 2012-06-29

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sonachStskeeps: morning! I successfully run Mer0614 on my device, and my own packages are built by VM-based MerOBS :)04:17
Stskeepssonach: congratulations :)04:19
Stskeepssonach: now you know enough to do consulting in OBS setups ;)04:19
sonachStskeeps: maybe :P04:19
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sonachStskeeps: Have you ever met this error: when I click 'Adminstrator' Link of my bugzilla, it reports:, the URL for this is
Stskeepsno, haven't encountered that before05:36
iekkuneither have i05:37
iekkusonach, are you sure your bz is up and runnig?05:38
sonachiekku: what is 'bz'?05:39
E-Pmorning all05:39
iekkusonach, bugzilla05:39
iekkudoes everything else work?05:39
Stskeepsmorn E-P :)05:40
sonachiekku: i configure bugzilla3 and bugzilla4 at the same time, and bugzilla4 have this error while bz3 is OK.  Yes, bz4 is running, because i can login,05:40
sonachiekku: is there any logs?05:40
iekkusonach, i will ask someone who knows better... if he knows what might be a problem05:42
sonachiekku: thank you very much !!05:42
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sonachcan i access him directly on this IRC?05:42
iekkusonach, can't promise anything, but let's see05:42
sonachok :)05:43
iekkui think there's a bugzilla irc channel in freenode05:43
Sage_,sidebyside,628,1,bluez.spec Stskeeps umm...05:43
iekkui check the channels name05:44
sonachiekku: resolved this problem !05:44
dm8tbrI thought the BZ people hang out on MozNet?05:44
Sage_Stskeeps: something isn't right there. You removed the real .service file and moved to the .wants dir where symbolic link should be?05:44
iekkusonach, what it was?05:44
StskeepsSage_: something is a bit awry in how bluez does systemd units, i think05:44
iekku(opportunity to learn new things)05:44
sonachiekku: because I put 'zh_CN' package under /usr/share/bugzilla4/template,05:44
sonachand the 'zh_CN' language package is downloaded from the internet ...05:45
Sage_Stskeeps: need to check that as the current request isn't right05:45
StskeepsSage_: agree, feel free to -105:45
sonachiekku: so i have to use the English only version, no chance to use Simplifed Chinese :P05:46
Stskeepsperhaps there exists one template but it's wrong version05:46
iekkusonach, #bugzilla on - Most of the Bugzilla developers are on this IRC channel. (although you may have to be patient to get our attention, since we aren't always watching the window).05:47
dm8tbrMozNet... *nod*05:48
Sage_Stskeeps: ps. update your mer sdk/spectacle ;)05:48
StskeepsSage_: :P05:49
Sage_Stskeeps: and you can do tarball download with spectacle just by changing the version and running spectacle ;)05:52
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Stskeepsi do that, on occasion05:56
Stskeepsbut this time around .xz was gone05:56
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Stskeepsmorn niqt06:20
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Sage_Stskeeps, lbt: any timeline for the next -next?07:02
Stskeepspast systemd inclusion07:02
StskeepsSage_: should i obsoletes/provides udev with systemd?07:03
Stskeepsobsoletes/provides udev in systemd07:04
iekkusonach, friend said that you can use 'uri' filter instead of 'url_quote'07:05
iekkusonach, but the old templates might not still work with newer bz07:05
Sage_Stskeeps: if you have both then you obsolete yourself :)07:06
Sage_I think rpmlint complains about that07:06
Stskeepsok, so provides and Prefer: systemd07:06
ZiQiangHuaniekku: sonach is in a meeting now07:06
Sage_Stskeeps: well you should do probably: Obsoletes: udev < 185 Provides: udev >= 185 or similar07:07
iekkuZiQiangHuan, thanks :)07:08
Sage_that should work, but if you do "Obsoletes: udev; Provides: udev;" Then you count yourself obsolete ;)07:08
sonachiekku: ok, thank you :)07:11
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lbtSage_: I need to get ppl for MIPS done too07:43
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: when I boot up my system, always got message "drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0)", my kernel configure about rtc is any ideas for this?08:39
Stskeepsdo you have a RTC device?08:43
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I don;'t find rtc in /dev/08:44
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Stskeepsok, then maybe it doesn't have a rtc.. check your board manual08:44
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok08:46
smokuis COBS so slow only for me?08:46
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E-Plbt: I added the development process to the tools wiki page,
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alteregoDamn hayfever ..09:52
stefan_schmidt_walterego: can't agree more09:52
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stefan_schmidt_wI hate mine as well09:52
alteregoTakes me about 2 hours in the morning to reach normality09:53
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slainehere here09:54
slainebeen killing me this week09:54
* Stskeeps is just happy that his new meds have left him mostly symptom free this spring and summer09:56
Stskeepsgot totally mismeidicined it denmark it seems09:57
slaineStskeeps: for hayfever09:57
Stskeepsa bunch of allergies09:57
Stskeepsi'm allergic to rye so i guess it fits in hayfever :P09:57
dm8tbrin finland my season seems to start. I started carrying around a pack of ceterizine09:59
slaineNo, that's totally different, that's ryefever09:59
alteregoThis is my second year I've suffered hayfever. The last time was probably 6 years ago.10:01
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slaineIt's been a few years since I've had it this bad, that last two irish summers where too poor for the pollen to get to a high level I guess.10:01
alteregoSo I'm not normally affected, the worst it normally is is the occasional sneezing fit in the morning and evening. This year my eyes are leaking crap, my nose is blocked and I'm having sneezing fits every hour.10:01
iekkufirst summer in 20 years i haven't have symphtons10:02
* slaine is always amazed at how many people suffer with hayfever10:02
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iekkui was amazed about the fact that i don't need no medicines10:04
iekkuusually i have medicines from start of april to sept10:05
* dm8tbr hasn't popped a pill yet, still waiting for the annoyance/pain threshold10:06
slainecoffee helps, I'm off to get some10:06
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Sage_Stskeeps: you have build log for the ofono 4.101?10:10
Sage_Stskeeps: configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --with-systemdsystemunitdir10:12
Sage_should be --with-systemdunitdir= now10:14
Sage_thus the package failed.10:14
stefan_schmidt_walterego: wow, ok, its not that bad for me. Still annoying. Need to take some pills to get through a bad day10:25
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* Stskeeps returns12:53
StskeepsSage_: you mean bluez12:53
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* lbt is back13:07
lbthehe .... bluez13:07
* lbt is going to a blues dance on sunday :)13:08
* dm8tbr has got the blues today! :-S13:08
lbtaw ... you don't want the blues... you want the Blues :)13:08
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* dm8tbr needs another whisky13:11
dm8tbrthen I could consider putting on some Blues music13:12
* lbt checks time13:17
lbt13:17  ?13:17
lbthmm .... KDE time ...13:17
lbtI like KDE's clock - it's so .... fair.... apparently it's the same time in Helsinki, San Francisco and London :)13:18
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dm8tbrwell yeah, UTC is same around the world ;)13:21
lbtif only....13:21
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lbtafternoon w00tmob13:33
lbtStskeeps: having some issues with mkbaselibs with new build13:33
lbtjust FYI13:34
lbt-bash: /usr/lib/build/mkbaselibs: No such file or directory13:34
lbtit's in my test OBS13:34
Stskeepsok, is build-mkbaselibs installed?13:34
Stskeepsin prjconf13:34
lbthmm not in the install list13:34
w00tmoblo lbt13:35
lbtStskeeps: it's a build against normal Mer_Core_armv7hl13:36
lbtw00tmob: out and about then :)13:36
Stskeepslbt: ok, verify that build-mkbaselibs gets installed..13:36
lbtit doesn't13:37
Stskeeps /.build/ contents?13:37
lbtthe build.spec has %if 0%{?suse_version} > 1120 || ! 0%{?suse_version}    Requires:       build-mkbaselibs13:39
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lbtStskeeps: build-mkbaselibs isn't installed in normal cobs builds13:45
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Stskeepsyes, i think it may be a new thing13:47
Stskeepscheck 'build' commit log?13:47
lbtyeah ... that's what I'm thinking ... kinda wondered about BUILD_TARGET stuff13:47
lbtlocal mkbaselibs="/usr/lib/build/mkbaselibs"13:48
lbtI think I may have missed something rebasing your patch - it wasn't clean13:50
lbtI think it would be good to have a BUILD_ROOT->TARGET_ROOT patch and then a quoting patch13:51
lbtrather than a mega-patch for "add sb2 support"13:51
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Stskeepsprobably, or the intended rewrite13:52
lbtI've only rebased to the 2012.05.31 which is the version depended on by 3.2.113:53
lbtthat's about half the current commits to HEAD13:53
Stskeepslbt: what happened to kickstarts for latest release?13:54
lbtks creation steps need an updgraded SDK to create them13:54
lbtwhich sucks, process wise13:54
lbtI have a task to "do it better"13:55
lbtbut OBS release came to higher prio.... and shouldn't be this hard!13:55
Stskeepsi'm gone over the weekend btw13:56
lbtvacation ?13:57
Stskeepspolish mountains13:57
Stskeepswell i'm not sure what i call my current state13:57
Stskeeps"open source holiday"?13:57
Stskeepsi need to get some random hacking out of my system and hence i'm trying to hack my touchpad to run wayland..13:58
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lbtI promised people I'd have the new OBS out ... so until that's done I'm kinda stuck13:59
Stskeepsgive me a full build log please13:59
Stskeepsand a tarball of your build root14:00
lbtit's fine - I'm OK diagnosing it ... I think it's just mis-setting $makebaselibs executable14:00
lbtand this shoiuld be the last time that's "hard" ... we're setting up some nested kvm obs test harness stuff RSN14:01
lbton phostX14:01
* Stskeeps peeks14:03
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Stskeepsbuild log too pretty please14:05
smokuStskeeps: is there a WM standard for wayland yet?14:06
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Stskeepssmoku: the question is if you really need one..14:07
Stskeepssmoku: for mobile usage it's not that needed14:07
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smokuStskeeps: someone has to tell the server where to place windows14:07
Stskeepssmoku: that's the compositor's job14:08
smokuall apps are fullscreen single window?14:08
Stskeepscompositor = the server14:08
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lbtStskeeps: sure ... but ... I think it's a rebase bug of mine14:08
Stskeepslbt: five eyes is better than two14:09
lbtenter_target needuser mkbaselibs $BASELIBS_GLOBAL $BASELIBS_CFG $line || cleanup_and_exit 114:09
lbtshould be $BUILD_TARGET'ed14:09
smokuStskeeps: how can I create a wiendow and tell the server it should dock it to the left side of the screen?14:09
Stskeepssmoku: well, i think somebody is working on that kind of stuff - but if you look at for example qml compositor it does imply that you'd probably end up doing things in reverse order really14:10
smokureverse order?14:11
Stskeepsas in, what would typically be in a dock would instead be drawn by compositor14:11
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smokui red sowewhere that the WM protocol is planned. that's why i asked whether it is ready yet. :)14:11
Stskeeps:nod: dunno, you'd have to ask the wayland guys :)14:11
smokuStskeeps: think gimp. few documents window + 2 tool windows docked to the left and right.  compositor does not handle my apps tool windows does it?14:12
Stskeepsbut on mobile: composition is slow, full screen when you can14:12
Stskeepsand i'm not personally of the belief where wayland will really matter is typical desktop usage14:13
Stskeeps.. that sounded weird - i mean, it's likely to have more impact in mobile than typical desktop usage14:13
smokuso the people working on it concentrate on mobile?14:16
Stskeepsit really varies.. there's a grouping working on xwayland, but wayland itself really seems to stick in getting the general concepts right14:17
Stskeepsand promote things to standards when most agree on them14:17
lbtpoor rebase -
lbtI left the chroot in14:18
lbtand missed the $BUILD_TARGET preceding mkbaselibs14:18
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lbtyay ... builds now ... :)14:22
lbtlet me try copyprj and see if I can stop phaeron from sobbing in the corner...14:22
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Stskeepsi'm reading a master's thesis on somebody.. who ported MeeGo to SPARC.14:30
lbtis that a psychology thesis?14:31
lbtor did you mean "by somebody"14:31
Stskeepsby somebody14:32
Stskeepsbut yes, i'm expecting to find a psychology one too14:32
lbtnm... it was really funny in my head :)14:32
lbtwe should ask him to do a follow up using Mer ... then compare/contrast14:33
Stskeeps i can pretty much tell you that once you're done with your thesis you never want to see it again14:33
lbtjust been talking to pohly and kinda crossing my mind how to support syncevolution around Mer14:35
lbtMW:Shared type thing14:35
pohlylbt: pick a PIM storage (or two, or three, ...) and then offer SyncEvolution compiled for them.14:37
pohlyTesting becomes problematic. Usually you'll want to do at least some sanity testing against real-world peers.14:38
Stskeepslbt: well, now that we can do releases..14:38
lbtdoes Qt have anything in the PIM space?14:38
pohlyThere is a test program in the source which can be compiled without affecting the core bits.14:38
Stskeepslbt: it's pretty tolerant but recently attention went for PIM backed by jsondb14:39
Stskeepshow that's erm, going now, is a good question14:39
pohlylbt: QtContacts + Tracker. KCal, with varying degrees of dependencies on KDE libs.14:39
lbtpohly: we'd avoid KDE if possible - though maybe strip/extract14:39
lbtTracker... hmm :)14:40
pohlyThere was a KCal port with a dependency on just some minimal KDE libs.14:40
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Stskeepslbt: we have mkcal and kcalcore atm in mer core14:41
lbtI didn't realise that14:41
pohlyThe Qt 5 PIM looks like a derivative of Qt Mobility . When Organizer was first defined there, it had no concept of time zones and it also couldn't be added without an API break.14:42
* lbt may have found an area that bridges systems and Qt/core14:42
pohlyThe key issue was lack of a date+time+time zone class in Qt.14:42
pohlyNot sure whether that has improved in Qt 5.14:42
Stskeepsthere's been a fair bit of discussion on that, i think14:43
Stskeepsthey use icu more now, i think14:43
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sledgessee you in a week, another active holiday :)16:07
sledgesgood luck merrying!!16:07
iekkusledges, have a nice holiday!16:10
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lbtwell something is screwey16:33
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Stskeepsfps: 56085.217:47
StskeepsI Don't Think So17:47
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Sage_Stskeeps: yes, made comments in gerrit20:21
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