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| Stskeeps | morn | 04:18 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: so they got 3d accel working? | 04:34 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: with the 3.0 kernel they use for ICS, yes | 04:38 |
| dm8tbr | haven't tried it yet | 04:38 |
| dm8tbr | I here there is yet another kernel update coming. (mandated by some android update they need to provide) | 04:39 |
| dm8tbr | s/here/hear/ | 04:40 |
| * dm8tbr increases the caffeine intake... | 04:40 | |
| Stskeeps | ok | 04:42 |
| Stskeeps | could make an interesting target then | 04:42 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, I'm looking forward to having a decreased workload at the orkplace | 04:42 |
| dm8tbr | have some things on my todo list | 04:43 |
| dm8tbr | like there is some hacked together boot menu for gen9 that seems to need redesign and open-sourcing | 04:43 |
| dm8tbr | I expect kexec to be less of an issue nowadays. They got it already working well enough on gen8 | 04:44 |
| dm8tbr | then add the 'clockworkmod' thing that everybody and his sister on xda screams for (because they can't be bothered to understand other concepts...) | 04:44 |
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| dm8tbr | I'd also want to try the Nemo Ux on it | 04:46 |
| dm8tbr | too bad that my device is a 4430. the 4460 is still a bit faster (and I think has 1G RAM) | 04:47 |
| Stskeeps | think timoph managed to get a 4460 | 04:47 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, all units nowadays should be 4460 | 04:48 |
| iekku | morning | 04:48 |
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| dm8tbr | mine is actually even a pre-production unit, but it came for free. So I'm not going to complain! | 04:48 |
| dm8tbr | moaning iekku | 04:48 |
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| srikanth_ | Morning | 04:48 |
| Stskeeps | morning srikanth_ :) | 04:48 |
| Stskeeps | and iekku too :) | 04:49 |
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| srikanth_ | :) | 04:49 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: yeah, after reading qtonpi mailing list, i've gone back to the "if you got it for free, don't complain about it" method :P | 04:51 |
| Stskeeps | or, the qtonpi variant "if you're going to get it for free, don't complain you haven't gotten it yet" .. | 04:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 04:52 |
| * Stskeeps sighs | 04:52 | |
| iekku | but complaining is like hobby for some | 04:55 |
| dm8tbr | that's one giant meehhhh. I'm somehow glad I didn't feel like getting on that ARMv6 boat | 04:55 |
| Stskeeps | i saw a quote from somebody .. that designing is the fun part of the software development process and everybody and their dog has an opinion, but when it gets down to implementation, suddenly everybody disappears | 04:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 04:56 |
| * dm8tbr likes to do proof of concept things | 04:57 | |
| dm8tbr | Ironing out the details can make me go meeh though | 04:57 |
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| Stskeeps | i still can't believe i spent 3-4 days fighting with qt5 due to a bug in rpm's ~ handling.. | 05:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:05 |
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| E-P | Good morning Stskeeps, iekku, dm8tbr and srikanth_ | 05:28 |
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| iekku | :) | 05:29 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: morning! When I create rootfs using latest mer-core(0517 version), hit one error: file /usr/lib/libjpeg.so conflicts between attempted installs of libjpeg-turbo-devel-1.2.0-1.8.Mer.armv7l and umodules-sdk60-2.1.Mer.armv7l | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: your umodules-sdk60 should not be including libjpeg.so | 05:50 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: umodules-sdk60-2.1.Mer.armv7l is my rpm, and there is libjpeg.so in it. | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | mer provides that already | 05:51 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: yes, but when I use 20120120 version, it is ok, | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: well, ok, in 0614 this is fixed | 05:51 |
| sonach | is 0614 released? | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 05:52 |
| sonach | ok, then I will use the 0614 version | 05:53 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: another question. Can you label some versions as 'stable'? | 05:53 |
| sonach | then I can build my image against the latest STABLE version, | 05:53 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: well, the idea is that each mer release is supposed to be 'stable' | 05:54 |
| sonach | cool :) then I will upgrade to 0614 :) | 05:54 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: in 0614 version, which libjpeg.so will be used if there is libjpeg.so in my own rpm? | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: it'll use the libjpeg.so.something | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | why do you need special libjpeg? | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | is it optimized for your board? | 06:01 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: maybe not. we just copy it from SDK. I will remove it in my rpm :) | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:02 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: where do we currently put our udev rules? | 06:22 |
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| Sage_ | There are at least 2 places | 06:23 |
| Sage_ | /etc/udev/rules.d/ and /lib/udev/rules.d | 06:24 |
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| phaeron1 | morning | 06:27 |
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| lbt | morning all | 06:35 |
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| Stskeeps | morn lbt o | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | / | 06:39 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron1: so how do we go about testing copyprj in mer core/CI setting | 06:46 |
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| phaeron1 | package and deploy | 06:49 |
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| Stskeeps | it contains our sb2 patches too? (non-b1) | 06:51 |
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| phaeron1 | lbt: did you merge | 06:53 |
| phaeron1 | you were reviewing the code branch | 06:53 |
| lbt | phaeron1: mds? | 06:54 |
| lbt | or obs? | 06:54 |
| phaeron1 | obs | 06:54 |
| lbt | need to check | 06:54 |
| lbt | just in a chat | 06:54 |
| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: it should contain since it is based on latest mer obs master | 06:54 |
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| lbt | phaeron1: so we should be on for an OBS release today ? | 07:22 |
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| lbt | morning w00t_ | 07:23 |
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| w00t_ | lbt: o/ | 07:23 |
| phaeron1 | lbt: would be useful yes | 07:23 |
| w00t_ | lbt: http://qtl.me/zfm.txt might interest you, was just some braindumpy stuff about how I'd love to work on software | 07:24 |
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| lbt | w00t_: useful | 07:26 |
| lbt | you do realise I've spent last 2-3 days on "quickbuild" | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | convert into task bugs? | 07:27 |
| w00t_ | nope, and as my server restarted i lost all the scrollback i had.. *grumble* | 07:27 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: maybe - I'll add it to my README for inspiration | 07:28 |
| lbt | then when I have a baseline we can task any missing parts | 07:28 |
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| lbt | w00t_: my current requirement is "The objective here is to synchronise/share a desktop source tree with an rpm/build/sb2 clean environment and support incremental make-driven packaging without make clean each time" | 07:30 |
| lbt | this set addresses integration with the VM Stskeeps has been working on | 07:31 |
| w00t | lbt: *nod* | 07:31 |
| lbt | FWIW ... nothing outside my goals there - good to see them expressed from your PoV | 07:32 |
| lbt | aard_: ^^ | 07:32 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: did you see that smoku is already using a git-packaging approach much like the one I want for Mer. | 07:33 |
| w00t | yeah, hopefully it'll prove useful | 07:33 |
| lbt | w00t: of course, it gives me a tester :) | 07:34 |
| * lbt -> coffee | 07:34 | |
| lbt | then OBS release | 07:34 |
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| lbt | phaeron1: you OK if I tidy up some commit messages and force push copyprj | 07:58 |
| lbt | phaeron1: also I'd like to review which patches should go into the release | 07:59 |
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| phaeron1 | if I say no , you won't do it ? :D | 08:05 |
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| lbt | *g* | 08:07 |
| lbt | it's more a matter of timing and code review | 08:07 |
| lbt | you missed a tag on a commit message and some of my patches look dubious | 08:07 |
| lbt | since this is going to be a formal tagged release I wanted it to be clean | 08:08 |
| phaeron1 | sure was just poking | 08:08 |
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| phaeron1 | or joking | 08:08 |
| lbt | you? poke fun at me.... never! | 08:08 |
| lbt | right ... so sit down and lets do it | 08:09 |
| phaeron1 | -> coffee | 08:09 |
| phaeron1 | :D | 08:09 |
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| lbt | *sigh* | 08:09 |
| lbt | the problem with distributed working is you can't lock the door | 08:10 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: with the same ks file, Mer0614_rootfs is 180MB, but Mer0120_rootfs is 140MB, it is normal? | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yes | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: now you can actually clean locales :0 | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 08:11 |
| aard_ | lbt: sure you can lock your door, it just might not have the desired effect | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: in %post | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | # Remove and then garbage collect locale archive | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | localedef --list-archive | grep -v en_US | grep -v en_US | xargs localedef -v --delete-from-archive | 08:11 |
| lbt | aard_: *g* | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | mv /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive.tmpl | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | /usr/sbin/build-locale-archive | 08:11 |
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| phaeron1 | lbt: what do you need me for when you are rewriting commit messages | 08:13 |
| lbt | sanity checks | 08:13 |
| lbt | do you think: [backend] Force curl to use no-proxy to get the bs_worker makes sense? | 08:14 |
| lbt | I'd also like to merge the commits into things that can be proposed upstream | 08:15 |
| lbt | basically squash some of them together | 08:15 |
| lbt | eg "modify copybuild so as to shortcircuit unnecessary rebuilds" makes changes which are immediately changed again in "reorganize norebuild copying of files, write check event to scheduler to prevent inconsistent state" | 08:16 |
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| phaeron1 | lbt: yeah one was written 2 months ago and one was written last week | 08:17 |
| phaeron1 | it happens | 08:17 |
| lbt | yep... and now we're at code review and publish time so I'm suggesting we publish a clean tree | 08:17 |
| phaeron1 | the noproxy one is good if you fixed the issue we talked about | 08:17 |
| lbt | I don't know - too many proxy issues to be sure | 08:18 |
| phaeron1 | ok but lets keep it | 08:18 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: odd, the result is the same, and the %post is http://pastie.org/4164543 | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: /usr/sbin/build-locale-archive goes on it's own line | 08:29 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: mv --> rm :P | 08:29 |
| sonach | ? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | no | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 08:29 |
| sonach | ok, i see, | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/4164552 | 08:29 |
| sonach | ok, | 08:29 |
| sonach | i see 'mv' as 'rm' :P | 08:30 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it's mv intentionally | 08:31 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: it is 158MB now, is it normal? | 08:33 |
| sonach | the old version is 140MB, | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's OK | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | this one includes two locales | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | you can strip it even more if you want, by adjusting the grep -v ones | 08:33 |
| sonach | ok, | 08:35 |
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| * alterego booting... | 09:51 | |
| Stskeeps | DISK READ FAILURE | 09:51 |
| alterego | lol | 09:52 |
| * alterego fsck | 09:53 | |
| alterego | I have a bad feeling about this weekend. | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 09:53 |
| iekku | ? | 09:55 |
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| alterego | It's a friends 30th | 09:55 |
| alterego | And we've got a lot of events going on :D | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 09:56 |
| mja | I got promoted on my 30th | 09:58 |
| mja | other than that it was a pretty unremarkable day | 09:58 |
| mja | got a 16% raise, so that was good | 09:59 |
| E-P | not bad at all | 10:00 |
| mja | prolly just means I was remarkably underpaid before | 10:00 |
| lbt | I went rally driving .... powerslides, manic speed, spinning wheels .... so yeah, nothing remarkable for me either :D | 10:00 |
| mja | nice! | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: that explains a lot about yosemite.. | 10:01 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ROFL ... I can't forget your face when we were overtaking around "blind" bends :) | 10:01 |
| alterego | Heh | 10:02 |
| alterego | I organised a go karting thing for another friends 29th earlier this year. | 10:02 |
| lbt | yeah ... now Stskeeps can drive we should have a go-karting event at one of our meetups... | 10:03 |
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| alterego | Don't think you need a license to go karting :P | 10:03 |
| * alterego just has a provisional | 10:03 | |
| alterego | Stskeeps: you've passed? | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 10:04 |
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| saunabad | +1 for gokarts. as long as we go to outdoor tracks :) | 11:06 |
| E-P | Reminder: Mer QA meeting starting in 52 minutes | 11:08 |
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| E-P | karting would be nice | 11:08 |
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| iekku | i don't remember what happened at my 30th | 11:09 |
| iekku | oh wait! i'm only 17 | 11:09 |
| E-P | how many years you have been only 17? | 11:13 |
| iekku | 1 | 11:14 |
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| iekku | before that i was 16 | 11:14 |
| iekku | and don't ask! | 11:14 |
| iekku | :D | 11:14 |
| E-P | iekku's super sweet 16.... | 11:14 |
| E-P | :) | 11:14 |
| iekku | yep :D | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund_: was it one you bought or qtonpi? | 11:17 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: He clearly doesn't want to talk to you :D | 11:19 |
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| jukkaeklund_ | stskeeps, bought :| | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund_: alright | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | just tracking :) | 11:21 |
| jukkaeklund_ | he is multitasking, and failing.. | 11:22 |
| * lbt is waiting 2 more days and then ordering one... :) | 11:22 | |
| jukkaeklund_ | stskeeps, so qtonpi "image" is going to have mer and sdk some point? | 11:24 |
| iekku | hmmm, how much should i ask for not used n900 | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund_: i am not terribly sure if there'd be qtonpi releases | 11:25 |
| iekku | promissed one to my cousin and her mom wants to pay... | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: figure out if you can use him/her for QA.. | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | and do the math | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund_: we have mer for sure.. soon with qt5 too | 11:25 |
| iekku | i assume i can't | 11:25 |
| jukkaeklund_ | stskeeps, I have qtonpi 0.2 release here | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:26 |
| jukkaeklund_ | lets see | 11:26 |
| * w00t is jealous of jukkaeklund_ :P | 11:28 | |
| jukkaeklund_ | I just went and oredered one.. | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund_: from where, and when? | 11:29 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: seen that someone got XI2.2 working on qt? | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: yes | 11:29 |
| jukkaeklund_ | end of may, RS | 11:29 |
| * dm8tbr still fails to see the appeal of a ARMv6 hardware | 11:29 | |
| jukkaeklund_ | got a code to order from Twitter :) | 11:29 |
| w00t | dm8tbr: it's cheap, and it has a fun GPU | 11:29 |
| w00t | <endofreason> | 11:29 |
| jukkaeklund_ | dm8tbr, it's about the availability | 11:29 |
| dm8tbr | my Archos101G9 was also cheap (got it for free :-p ) and has a fun GPU (and multimedia cores, and DSP, and...) | 11:30 |
| jukkaeklund_ | yes, I would like to use that but it's too big and doesnt work | 11:30 |
| jukkaeklund_ | bit different use cases | 11:31 |
| dm8tbr | yup | 11:31 |
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| E-P | Reminder: Mer QA meeting starting soon | 11:58 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: who's able to enable people as build.pub.meego.com users, btw? | 13:03 |
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| lbt | me, X-Fade, phaeron1 | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:09 |
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| E-P | Sage_, yunta: http://mer.bfst.de/meetings/mer-meeting/2012/mer-meeting.2012-04-19-11.00.html | 13:30 |
| E-P | some info about not using the tests.xml from the test package | 13:30 |
| E-P | I have to go now, but let's try to chat about that later | 13:31 |
| yunta | ok, thx | 13:32 |
| Sage_ | E-P: filed the bug and put you as cc. | 13:44 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: ping | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | plonk | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | about to go out the door though | 14:33 |
| lbt | OBS2.3.1 needs a later version of build | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | so we need to rebase | 14:33 |
| lbt | yeah, so I've rebased and need a sanity check | 14:33 |
| lbt | https://github.com/Merproject/obs-build/commits/merproject_master? | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | can i give that to you later tonight? | 14:34 |
| lbt | yes - I'll assume it's OK for now and carry on | 14:34 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/#q,status:open+project:mer-core/icu,n,z <- drop the older? | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | done | 15:50 |
| Sage_ | uh, v8 failed | 15:50 |
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| Stskeeps | it's always fun to play distribution jenga | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | i really wonder how much crap never get discovered in distributions if they didn't rebuild things that were reverse deps | 15:52 |
| Sage_ | "it's always fun to play distribution jenga" <- :D | 15:52 |
| Sage_ | but yes a lot goes without noticing if reverse deps are not taken into account | 15:53 |
| w00t | "fun"? | 15:56 |
| w00t | you have an odd idea of fun. :-p | 15:56 |
| * Sage_ ponders why fedora went from 3.8.9 back to 3.7.12 in v8 updates | 15:56 | |
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| lbt | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/27/facebook-plans-to-speedup-its-iphone-app/ | 19:01 |
| w00t | lbt: I saw that the other day and had a mild chuckle | 19:01 |
| lbt | it just popped up on /. | 19:02 |
| w00t | slightly at odds with their presentation in SF | 19:02 |
| lbt | that did not escape me :) | 19:04 |
| lbt | How many magic bullets are there anyhow? | 19:05 |
| lbt | in any field... | 19:05 |
| lbt | over all of human history? | 19:05 |
| w00t | the better question might be - how many guns do you have to shoot them? | 19:05 |
| w00t | :-p | 19:05 |
| lbt | well, we have the US and Finland involved.... *lots* | 19:06 |
| aard_ | lbt: well, the good thing is, it'll drive hardware development on the mobile sector. and we'll be so amazingly fast on any of the devices out there... | 19:06 |
| w00t | aard_: you know, i was thinking that today about android | 19:06 |
| w00t | it's kind of great how everyone is throwing more and more cores and RAM at android to try get it faster - it means there's going to be more for the rest of us to play with :D | 19:06 |
| * lbt wonders when we have to move to bionic though | 19:07 | |
| w00t | depends if these manufacturers will keep working on "stock" linux - current trends suggest they won't | 19:08 |
| w00t | not that I can entirely blame them, I suppose, it probably makes more financial sense to do what everyone else is asking for | 19:09 |
| lbt | *nod* ... where is the commercial pressure to support glibc and mainline ? | 19:10 |
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| dm8tbr | try to get GLES binaries for something aside from android... | 19:11 |
| w00t | bionic probably isn't too terrible anyway, NIH scent aside.. | 19:11 |
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| w00t | it would be a lot more palatable with a libbionicunfuck which implemented all the bits bionic doesn't | 19:12 |
| lbt | hehe | 19:12 |
| lbt | exactly what I was thinking | 19:12 |
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| w00t | I have actually seen/participated in some discussions along those lines | 19:12 |
| w00t | so it might happen sometime | 19:12 |
| lbt | I've been talking to people about putting bionic in Mer alongside glibc | 19:13 |
| lbt | and having the GL libs link to it | 19:13 |
| * dm8tbr was thinking along lbt's lines | 19:13 | |
| lbt | and then putting an IPC layer against glibc | 19:13 |
| lbt | and doing shmem between them | 19:13 |
| w00t | yeah, carsten and I and you seemingly have all been having the same synergistic thoughts of "gee, it would be really nice if we could reuse android's HW stuff" :) | 19:13 |
| dm8tbr | archos did stuff like that years ago | 19:14 |
| dm8tbr | huge surprise there that mozilla went with bionic for B2G. they can just recycle any android BSP | 19:14 |
| lbt | yup | 19:15 |
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| lbt | hmm why doesn't this work: tarball, tag1, tag2 = src.split(":",4) | 20:31 |
| lbt | I want tag2 to be None if there's only 1 : in the string | 20:31 |
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| yunta | switch to ruby :D | 20:35 |
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| lbt | yunta: indeed, or perl | 20:42 |
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| lbt | git is just magically cool | 20:47 |
| lbt | but occasionally a little scary | 20:47 |
| * lbt looks at 10,000 patches... | 20:47 | |
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