Thursday, 2012-06-28

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Stskeepsdm8tbr: so they got 3d accel working?04:34
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dm8tbrStskeeps: with the 3.0 kernel they use for ICS, yes04:38
dm8tbrhaven't tried it yet04:38
dm8tbrI here there is yet another kernel update coming. (mandated by some android update they need to provide)04:39
* dm8tbr increases the caffeine intake...04:40
Stskeepscould make an interesting target then04:42
dm8tbryeah, I'm looking forward to having a decreased workload at the orkplace04:42
dm8tbrhave some things on my todo list04:43
dm8tbrlike there is some hacked together boot menu for gen9 that seems to need redesign and open-sourcing04:43
dm8tbrI expect kexec to be less of an issue nowadays. They got it already working well enough on gen804:44
dm8tbrthen add the 'clockworkmod' thing that everybody and his sister on xda screams for (because they can't be bothered to understand other concepts...)04:44
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dm8tbrI'd also want to try the Nemo Ux on it04:46
dm8tbrtoo bad that my device is a 4430. the 4460 is still a bit faster (and I think has 1G RAM)04:47
Stskeepsthink timoph managed to get a 446004:47
dm8tbryeah, all units nowadays should be 446004:48
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dm8tbrmine is actually even a pre-production unit, but it came for free. So I'm not going to complain!04:48
dm8tbrmoaning iekku04:48
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Stskeepsmorning srikanth_ :)04:48
Stskeepsand iekku too :)04:49
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Stskeepsdm8tbr: yeah, after reading qtonpi mailing list, i've gone back to the "if you got it for free, don't complain about it" method :P04:51
Stskeepsor, the qtonpi variant "if you're going to get it for free, don't complain you haven't gotten it yet" ..04:52
* Stskeeps sighs04:52
iekkubut complaining is like hobby for some04:55
dm8tbrthat's one giant meehhhh. I'm somehow glad I didn't feel like getting on that ARMv6 boat04:55
Stskeepsi saw a quote from somebody .. that designing is the fun part of the software development process and everybody and their dog has an opinion, but when it gets down to implementation, suddenly everybody disappears04:56
* dm8tbr likes to do proof of concept things04:57
dm8tbrIroning out the details can make me go meeh though04:57
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Stskeepsi still can't believe i spent 3-4 days fighting with qt5 due to a bug in rpm's ~ handling..05:05
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E-PGood morning Stskeeps, iekku, dm8tbr and srikanth_05:28
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sonachStskeeps: morning! When I create rootfs using latest mer-core(0517 version), hit one error: file /usr/lib/ conflicts between attempted installs of libjpeg-turbo-devel-1.2.0-1.8.Mer.armv7l and umodules-sdk60-2.1.Mer.armv7l05:50
Stskeepssonach: your umodules-sdk60 should not be including libjpeg.so05:50
sonachStskeeps: umodules-sdk60-2.1.Mer.armv7l is my rpm, and there is in it.05:51
Stskeepsmer provides that already05:51
sonachStskeeps: yes, but when I use 20120120 version, it is ok,05:51
Stskeepssonach: well, ok, in 0614 this is fixed05:51
sonachis 0614 released?05:52
sonachok, then I will use the 0614 version05:53
sonachStskeeps: another question. Can you label some versions as 'stable'?05:53
sonachthen I can build my image against the latest STABLE version,05:53
Stskeepssonach: well, the idea is that each mer release is supposed to be 'stable'05:54
sonachcool :) then I will upgrade to 0614 :)05:54
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sonachStskeeps: in 0614 version, which will be used if there is in my own rpm?05:59
Stskeepssonach: it'll use the
Stskeepswhy do you need special libjpeg?06:00
Stskeepsis it optimized for your board?06:01
sonachStskeeps: maybe not. we just copy it from SDK. I will remove it in my rpm :)06:02
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StskeepsSage_: where do we currently put our udev rules?06:22
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Sage_There are at least 2 places06:23
Sage_ /etc/udev/rules.d/ and /lib/udev/rules.d06:24
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lbtmorning all06:35
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Stskeepsmorn lbt o06:39
Stskeeps /06:39
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Stskeepsphaeron1: so how do we go about testing copyprj in mer core/CI setting06:46
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phaeron1package and deploy06:49
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Stskeepsit contains our sb2 patches too? (non-b1)06:51
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phaeron1lbt: did you merge06:53
phaeron1you were reviewing the code branch06:53
lbtphaeron1: mds?06:54
lbtor obs?06:54
lbtneed to check06:54
lbtjust in a chat06:54
phaeron1Stskeeps: it should contain since it is based on latest mer obs master06:54
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lbtphaeron1: so we should be on for an OBS release today ?07:22
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lbtmorning w00t_07:23
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w00t_lbt: o/07:23
phaeron1lbt: would be useful yes07:23
w00t_lbt: might interest you, was just some braindumpy stuff about how I'd love to work on software07:24
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lbtw00t_: useful07:26
lbtyou do realise I've spent last 2-3 days on "quickbuild"07:27
Stskeepsconvert into task bugs?07:27
w00t_nope, and as my server restarted i lost all the scrollback i had.. *grumble*07:27
lbtStskeeps: maybe - I'll add it to my README for inspiration07:28
lbtthen when I have a baseline we can task any missing parts07:28
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lbtw00t_: my current requirement is "The objective here is to synchronise/share a desktop source tree with an rpm/build/sb2 clean environment and support incremental make-driven packaging without make clean each time"07:30
lbtthis set addresses integration with the VM Stskeeps has been working on07:31
w00tlbt: *nod*07:31
lbtFWIW ... nothing outside my goals there - good to see them expressed from your PoV07:32
lbtaard_: ^^07:32
lbtStskeeps: did you see that smoku is already using a git-packaging approach much like the one I want for Mer.07:33
w00tyeah, hopefully it'll prove useful07:33
lbtw00t: of course, it gives me a tester :)07:34
* lbt -> coffee07:34
lbtthen OBS release07:34
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lbtphaeron1: you OK if I tidy up some commit messages and force push copyprj07:58
lbtphaeron1: also I'd like to review which patches should go into the release07:59
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phaeron1if I say no , you won't do it ? :D08:05
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lbtit's more a matter of timing and code review08:07
lbtyou missed a tag on a commit message and some of my patches look dubious08:07
lbtsince this is going to be a formal tagged release I wanted it to be clean08:08
phaeron1sure was just poking08:08
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phaeron1or joking08:08
lbtyou? poke fun at me.... never!08:08
lbtright ... so sit down and lets do it08:09
phaeron1-> coffee08:09
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lbtthe problem with distributed working is you can't lock the door08:10
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sonachStskeeps: with the same ks file, Mer0614_rootfs is 180MB, but Mer0120_rootfs is 140MB, it is normal?08:11
Stskeepssonach: yes08:11
Stskeepssonach: now you can actually clean locales :008:11
aard_lbt: sure you can lock your door, it just might not have the desired effect08:11
Stskeepssonach: in %post08:11
Stskeeps# Remove and then garbage collect locale archive08:11
Stskeepslocaledef --list-archive | grep -v en_US | grep -v en_US | xargs localedef -v --delete-from-archive08:11
lbtaard_: *g*08:11
Stskeepsmv /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive.tmpl08:11
Stskeeps /usr/sbin/build-locale-archive08:11
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phaeron1lbt: what do you need me for when you are rewriting commit messages08:13
lbtsanity checks08:13
lbtdo you think:  [backend] Force curl to use no-proxy to get the bs_worker     makes sense?08:14
lbtI'd also like to merge the commits into things that can be proposed upstream08:15
lbtbasically squash some of them together08:15
lbteg "modify copybuild so as to shortcircuit unnecessary rebuilds" makes changes which are immediately changed again in "reorganize norebuild copying of files, write check event to scheduler to prevent inconsistent state"08:16
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phaeron1lbt: yeah one was written 2 months ago and one was written last week08:17
phaeron1it happens08:17
lbtyep... and now we're at code review and publish time so I'm suggesting we publish a clean tree08:17
phaeron1the noproxy one is good if you fixed the issue we talked about08:17
lbtI don't know - too many proxy issues to be sure08:18
phaeron1ok but lets keep it08:18
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sonachStskeeps: odd, the result is the same, and the %post is
Stskeepssonach: /usr/sbin/build-locale-archive goes on it's own line08:29
sonachStskeeps: mv --> rm :P08:29
sonachok, i see,08:29
sonachi see 'mv' as 'rm' :P08:30
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Stskeepsyeah, it's mv intentionally08:31
sonachStskeeps: it is 158MB now, is it normal?08:33
sonachthe old version is 140MB,08:33
Stskeepsyes, that's OK08:33
Stskeepsthis one includes two locales08:33
Stskeepsyou can strip it even more if you want, by adjusting the grep -v ones08:33
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* alterego booting...09:51
* alterego fsck09:53
alteregoI have a bad feeling about this weekend.09:53
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alteregoIt's a friends 30th09:55
alteregoAnd we've got a lot of events going on :D09:56
Stskeepsah :P09:56
mjaI got promoted on my 30th09:58
mjaother than that it was a pretty unremarkable day09:58
mjagot a 16% raise, so that was good09:59
E-Pnot bad at all10:00
mjaprolly just means I was remarkably underpaid before10:00
lbtI went rally driving .... powerslides, manic speed, spinning wheels  .... so yeah, nothing remarkable for me either :D10:00
Stskeepslbt: that explains a lot about yosemite..10:01
lbtStskeeps: ROFL ... I can't forget your face when we were overtaking around "blind" bends :)10:01
alteregoI organised a go karting thing for another friends 29th earlier this year.10:02
lbtyeah ... now Stskeeps can drive we should have a go-karting event at one of our meetups...10:03
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alteregoDon't think you need a license to go karting :P10:03
* alterego just has a provisional10:03
alteregoStskeeps: you've passed?10:04
Stskeepsnot yet10:04
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saunabad+1 for gokarts. as long as we go to outdoor tracks :)11:06
E-PReminder: Mer QA meeting starting in 52 minutes11:08
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E-Pkarting would be nice11:08
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iekkui don't remember what happened at my 30th11:09
iekkuoh wait! i'm only 1711:09
E-Phow many years you have been only 17?11:13
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iekkubefore that i was 1611:14
iekkuand don't ask!11:14
E-Piekku's super sweet 16....11:14
iekkuyep :D11:16
Stskeepsjukkaeklund_: was it one you bought or qtonpi?11:17
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X-FadeStskeeps: He clearly doesn't want to talk to you :D11:19
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jukkaeklund_stskeeps, bought :|11:21
Stskeepsjukkaeklund_: alright11:21
Stskeepsjust tracking :)11:21
jukkaeklund_he is multitasking, and failing..11:22
* lbt is waiting 2 more days and then ordering one... :)11:22
jukkaeklund_stskeeps, so qtonpi "image" is going to have mer and sdk some point?11:24
iekkuhmmm, how much should i ask for not used n90011:24
Stskeepsjukkaeklund_: i am not terribly sure if there'd be qtonpi releases11:25
iekkupromissed one to my cousin and her mom wants to pay...11:25
Stskeepsiekku: figure out if you can use him/her for QA..11:25
Stskeepsand do the math11:25
Stskeepsjukkaeklund_: we have mer for sure.. soon with qt5 too11:25
iekkui assume i can't11:25
jukkaeklund_stskeeps, I have qtonpi 0.2 release here11:25
jukkaeklund_lets see11:26
* w00t is jealous of jukkaeklund_ :P11:28
jukkaeklund_I just went and oredered one..11:28
Stskeepsjukkaeklund_: from where, and when?11:29
w00tStskeeps: seen that someone got XI2.2 working on qt?11:29
Stskeepsw00t: yes11:29
jukkaeklund_end of may, RS11:29
* dm8tbr still fails to see the appeal of a ARMv6 hardware11:29
jukkaeklund_got a code to order from Twitter :)11:29
w00tdm8tbr: it's cheap, and it has a fun GPU11:29
jukkaeklund_dm8tbr, it's about the availability11:29
dm8tbrmy Archos101G9 was also cheap (got it for free :-p ) and has a fun GPU (and multimedia cores, and DSP, and...)11:30
jukkaeklund_yes, I would like to use that but it's too big and doesnt work11:30
jukkaeklund_bit different use cases11:31
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E-PReminder: Mer QA meeting starting soon11:58
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Stskeepslbt: who's able to enable people as users, btw?13:03
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lbtme, X-Fade, phaeron113:09
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E-PSage_, yunta:
E-Psome info about not using the tests.xml from the test package13:30
E-PI have to go now, but let's try to chat about that later13:31
yuntaok, thx13:32
Sage_E-P: filed the bug and put you as cc.13:44
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lbtStskeeps: ping14:32
Stskeepsabout to go out the door though14:33
lbtOBS2.3.1 needs a later version of build14:33
Stskeepsso we need to rebase14:33
lbtyeah, so I've rebased and need a sanity check14:33
Stskeepscan i give that to you later tonight?14:34
lbtyes - I'll assume it's OK for now and carry on14:34
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Sage_Stskeeps:,status:open+project:mer-core/icu,n,z <- drop the older?15:49
Sage_uh, v8 failed15:50
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Stskeepsit's always fun to play distribution jenga15:51
Stskeepsi really wonder how much crap never get discovered in distributions if they didn't rebuild things that were reverse deps15:52
Sage_"it's always fun to play distribution jenga" <- :D15:52
Sage_but yes a lot goes without noticing if reverse deps are not taken into account15:53
w00tyou have an odd idea of fun. :-p15:56
* Sage_ ponders why fedora went from 3.8.9 back to 3.7.12 in v8 updates15:56
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w00tlbt: I saw that the other day and had a mild chuckle19:01
lbtit just popped up on /.19:02
w00tslightly at odds with their presentation in SF19:02
lbtthat did not escape me :)19:04
lbtHow many magic bullets are there anyhow?19:05
lbtin any field...19:05
lbtover all of human history?19:05
w00tthe better question might be - how many guns do you have to shoot them?19:05
lbtwell, we have the US and Finland involved.... *lots*19:06
aard_lbt: well, the good thing is, it'll drive hardware development on the mobile sector. and we'll be so amazingly fast on any of the devices out there...19:06
w00taard_: you know, i was thinking that today about android19:06
w00tit's kind of great how everyone is throwing more and more cores and RAM at android to try get it faster - it means there's going to be more for the rest of us to play with :D19:06
* lbt wonders when we have to move to bionic though19:07
w00tdepends if these manufacturers will keep working on "stock" linux - current trends suggest they won't19:08
w00tnot that I can entirely blame them, I suppose, it probably makes more financial sense to do what everyone else is asking for19:09
lbt*nod* ... where is the commercial pressure to support glibc and mainline ?19:10
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dm8tbrtry to get GLES binaries for something aside from android...19:11
w00tbionic probably isn't too terrible anyway, NIH scent aside..19:11
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w00tit would be a lot more palatable with a libbionicunfuck which implemented all the bits bionic doesn't19:12
lbtexactly what I was thinking19:12
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w00tI have actually seen/participated in some discussions along those lines19:12
w00tso it might happen sometime19:12
lbtI've been talking to people about putting bionic in Mer alongside glibc19:13
lbtand having the GL libs link to it19:13
* dm8tbr was thinking along lbt's lines19:13
lbtand then putting an IPC layer against glibc19:13
lbtand doing shmem between them19:13
w00tyeah, carsten and I and you seemingly have all been having the same synergistic thoughts of "gee, it would be really nice if we could reuse android's HW stuff" :)19:13
dm8tbrarchos did stuff like that years ago19:14
dm8tbrhuge surprise there that mozilla went with bionic for B2G. they can just recycle any android BSP19:14
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lbthmm why doesn't this work:  tarball, tag1, tag2 = src.split(":",4)20:31
lbtI want tag2 to be None if there's only 1 : in the string20:31
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yuntaswitch to ruby :D20:35
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lbtyunta: indeed, or perl20:42
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lbtgit is just magically cool20:47
lbtbut occasionally a little scary20:47
* lbt looks at 10,000 patches...20:47
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