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| E-P | Morning Stskeeps, all | 05:29 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: patch isn't in sdk by default probably should | 06:16 |
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| srikanth | stskeep: good morning ....i am not able get any mail from mer even after i subscribe to mailing list http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/ | 06:50 |
| lbt | morning - finishing of release email | 06:54 |
| lbt | srikanth: can you ping smoku when he's around | 06:54 |
| srikanth | lbt:sure thanks | 06:55 |
| iekku | morning | 07:04 |
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| rcg | will any of you guys be on the bb jam in berlin tomorrow? | 07:53 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine, how is it going? | 09:18 |
| slaine | Morning Stskeeps | 09:19 |
| slaine | Not bad I guess, busy with wrapping up a software release atm, squashing bugs on new hardware from suppliers | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:20 |
| slaine | the usual :) | 09:20 |
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| Stskeeps | srikanth: is it nokia email? | 09:27 |
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| Stskeeps | morn sledges | 09:32 |
| sledges | good morning Stskeeps ! | 09:32 |
| sledges | how is llvmpipe going? :) | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | quite good, on x86 | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | on arm.. erm, not | 09:33 |
| sledges | :} | 09:33 |
| sledges | what's the difference? | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | llvm jit isn't working as well on arm | 09:33 |
| sledges | hmmmq | 09:33 |
| sledges | porting issues? | 09:34 |
| sledges | did you identify the culprit? | 09:34 |
| sledges | or is it using ASM :)) | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | normally when it gets to debugging JIT, i stop working at it | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:34 |
| sledges | :D | 09:35 |
| srikanth | Stskeeps:it's gmail (jysrikanth@gmail.com) | 09:35 |
| sledges | gotya | 09:35 |
| sledges | 8) ouch watch out for spam-bots crawling irc logs, srikanth | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | srikanth: ok, odd | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | srikanth: that should really work.. | 09:35 |
| srikanth | Stskeeps: ok :( will try again | 09:36 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: weird that llvm jit isn't working on ARM, when you know, Apple are the main sponsors and all their llvm using iOS devices are ARM | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: yes, that does wonder me too | 09:36 |
| slaine | Makes me think not everything is released | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: makes me wonder if they're looking at medfield or simply not using the feature | 09:36 |
| slaine | Oh I think they're using it alright | 09:37 |
| slaine | from what I understand it's a core part of their infrastructure, Icbw though. | 09:37 |
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| Stskeeps | srikanth: where do you send subscribe mail to? | 09:41 |
| srikanth | i think i need to register to mer right | 09:42 |
| srikanth | or doing need to do some thing else | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, sec | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mailing_lists | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | send an empty email to mer-general+subscribe@lists.merproject.org | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | then you get a reply with another mail to send to | 09:43 |
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| srikanth | Stskeeps: thanks done | 10:44 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i has powertop, where do i put it? | 11:26 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: Mer:Tools:Testing | 12:40 |
| phaeron1 | iotop would be cool too | 12:41 |
| lbt | there are "one or two" new bugs for tools packages :) | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: copypac or sr | 12:44 |
| lbt | tend to copy to :Testing to allow 'us' to do some simple integration/install tests and then SR to Mer:Tools when you're happy it's ready for a release | 12:45 |
| lbt | at some point I snapshot Mer:Tools into a numbered release | 12:45 |
| lbt | currently that's just a download repo with src rpms - we'll move to a more reproducable approach one day | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok, copy from home:stskeeps:grande2 please | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | pkg powertop | 12:46 |
| lbt | you not a maintainer in :Testing? | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | no, and prolly good i'm not | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | ensures review | 12:48 |
| lbt | well, ideally that's what Mer:Tools is for | 12:48 |
| lbt | grr cElementTree.ParseError: no element found: line 1, column 0 | 12:49 |
| lbt | done now | 12:49 |
| * Stskeeps goes nap a bit | 12:52 | |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: so far no hiccups with rpmlint merge | 14:06 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I'm a bit surpriced if there isnt' any :) | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, me too :P | 14:14 |
| Sage_ | lbt: hmmp... another thing with sdk... try: git help checkout | 14:15 |
| lbt | I've actually wondered about putting "man" into Tools | 14:16 |
| lbt | I don't think we want them in Core though | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 14:16 |
| lbt | and currently I think I may hack git help to print "http://lmgtfy.com/?q=$1" | 14:17 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: man gcc ? man bash? | 14:17 |
| sledges | fellows, I tend to notice that embedded UXs tend to shift towards HTML5, as you could outsource the UI effort to any sophisticated web design company; and to my greatest disappointment Qt (e.g. Harmattan) shininess might just go down into the darkness, and we'll have to put up with mediocre UXs (appearance and performance) like current Tizen. What do you think? | 14:25 |
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| Stskeeps | sledges: just because people use HTML5 for apps it doesn't mean we can't do shiny homescreens and compositors in qml.. | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | the demand on a general ui is much higher than that of apps, typically | 14:27 |
| sledges | as in 'theme/branding/skin' ? | 14:28 |
| slaine | Also, Tizen home screen is an EFL app | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | well, as in actual software that is always running | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: .. and apps, the samsung guys were lying to us in their booth :P | 14:28 |
| slaine | I just assumed the apps where EFL too based on what raster has spoken about | 14:29 |
| * sledges sometimes hopes Tizen's homescreen better was HTML5 by the looks of it :) | 14:29 | |
| slaine | EFL is pretty good | 14:29 |
| slaine | I'm working on an EFL based STB I wrote a few years ago here. | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: did you see our magical wayland demos, btw? | 14:29 |
| slaine | I did, most impressive | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 14:29 |
| sledges | but can EFL bring back Qt[Quick] overall experience? | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | well, they're trying with elev8(?) | 14:30 |
| sledges | (PS: Qt/N9's awards talk for themselves) | 14:30 |
| sledges | hmm http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/PROTO/elev8/README http://makall.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/running-elev8-a-javascript-bindings-for-efl-on-tizen-developer-device/ | 14:31 |
| sledges | that's nearly the input I needed to look to the future again :) thanks mates! | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | of course, this is qml all over again | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | qtquick2 is scenegraph, v8, declarative | 14:32 |
| sledges | how about it's out-of-the-boxiness? can I get a datetumbler right out? | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | elev8? no clue | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | i doubt they've discovered components just yet | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | but i may be wrong | 14:34 |
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| bigbluehat | Stskeeps: I'm sure you heard about the webOS CE release, fwiw | 14:42 |
| bigbluehat | also just saw this https://github.com/morphis/meta-webos | 14:43 |
| bigbluehat | "The Open webOS OpenEmbedded layer" | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: yess, but is it actually 'real' open webos? | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | it seems more like packaging for opened bits | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | from a 3rd party | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | (nothing wrong with that, but it may confuse some..) | 14:44 |
| bigbluehat | no, it's not :) | 14:45 |
| bigbluehat | meaning, not === open webos | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | got any videos with people actually running luna and such on non-touchpad/hp hw yet? | 14:45 |
| bigbluehat | webOS CE, though is the first clear statement of what's actually happening | 14:46 |
| bigbluehat | not that I've seen | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | and it was interesting to peek at luna | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | though i can imagine that's going to be a headache on qt5 | 14:47 |
| bigbluehat | yeah...I've no idea :) | 14:47 |
| bigbluehat | I mostly want to build web things :) | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:47 |
| sledges | :) | 14:48 |
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| bigbluehat | like Project Grande :D | 14:48 |
| sledges | wow Project Grande; Owner:~stskeeps | 14:49 |
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| Stskeeps | sledges: story is that with each future project i had planned.. i ended up needing a mobile core for each of them that allowed me to port easily | 14:49 |
| * sledges wonder about how many things he does not know yet | 14:49 | |
| Stskeeps | hence mer was born | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:49 |
| sledges | gotya | 14:49 |
| sledges | labas, vilpan :) good to see homeland people! | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | though i hope we'll get to projectgrande.wikispaces.com one day | 14:50 |
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| Stskeeps | in some form | 14:50 |
| vilpan | sledges: hey, noticed you around, never guessed you could be somewhere close... :) My system started crashing for some unclear reason, so I guess my reconnects help me getting noticed :) | 14:53 |
| sledges | nice big goals there, Stskeeps! I am [and will be] always concerned on a delivering UX, as that is the interface of all underlying computing; having come across Harmattan | 14:53 |
| sledges | vilpan, too true! how are you Merring around? :) | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. though it's useful to have a stable foundation too | 14:54 |
| * bigbluehat wants Project Grande on top of everything :) | 14:54 | |
| bigbluehat | or something very similar at least ;) | 14:54 |
| sledges | guess concentrating on foundation and its interface could be the only two main pillars! | 14:55 |
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| vilpan | sledges: so far, I'm just a lurker having a general interest in an open mobile platform. Can't find anything matching my concept of openness in the market, though mer seems promising, not sure how suitable for end-users | 14:56 |
| sledges | and what is your concept, vilpan ? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | vilpan: ah, that one is easy: it's completely unsuitable for end-users :) | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | combine with hardware adaptation and ui and you might have something that's much closer | 14:57 |
| sledges | but i essential for a tier which will make itself suitable for end-users :) | 14:57 |
| vilpan | Stskeeps: yeah, I'm familiar with the basics, that it's the core and the end-user-facing components are something like nemo | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:57 |
| * bigbluehat wants all the pieces to be interchangeable everywhere on everything :) | 14:58 | |
| vilpan | Stskeeps: but having an open platform concerns me as a user as well. Something like android doesn't make me happy | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | vilpan: sure | 14:58 |
| * bigbluehat sips coffee...writes python... | 14:58 | |
| bigbluehat | ...and continues day dreaming :) | 14:59 |
| sledges | bigbluehat, tea here (uk), same python though :D | 14:59 |
| bigbluehat | +1 for PG Tips! | 14:59 |
| sledges | yes, builder's special :D | 15:00 |
| * bigbluehat drinks tea most mornings, switches to coffee in the afternoon | 15:00 | |
| bigbluehat | :) | 15:00 |
| sledges | why don't you like Android, vilpan | 15:00 |
| sledges | ? | 15:00 |
| vilpan | sledges: to put it really shortly I want to own the systems I pay for | 15:01 |
| sledges | Android is miles closer to that than, e.g. Windows Mobile/iOS... | 15:01 |
| sledges | but I catch your drift | 15:02 |
| vilpan | sledges: well, GNU/Linux is great but I don't run Ubuntu for a reason... I like to make my own decisions, I'm tired of all those limitations and over-simplifications because the user is always considered dumb | 15:03 |
| vilpan | sledges: similar with Android, it's a step in the right direction, but I still choose to use my old s60 that's a bit buggy instead of getting an android phone | 15:04 |
| sledges | that's where you get after being "a simple user" for a while, and wanting more control (not being an end-user anymore though).. That's why I've exchanged Ubuntu into ArchLinux also at my workplace with great joy | 15:04 |
| sledges | there are many Linuxy/not-Androidy efforts towards that: software: Mer & Co., hardware: Vivaldi Tablet, R&D HW: GTA04/OpenPhoenux; corporate level: Tizen | 15:06 |
| vilpan | sledges: on one hand my needs are quite basic, though I hate things like restrictions on what software I can install (and where to get it from), not being able to stop some services that Google thinks I need, etc., etc. | 15:06 |
| sledges | but after Nokia died/killed; apart from Tizen, everyone else lacks a corporate power/experience/finances to produce a solid GNU/Linux SW+HW combo | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | my worry is that time is running significantly out for hardware support for glibc-based OS'es | 15:08 |
| sledges | unless APAC (China etc.) start putting togeter devices-Android competitors run with Mer as base | 15:08 |
| * sledges 's next toy will be Zenithink Zpad C71 for £64 from androidtabletbay.com, replacing ICS with PA2 and maybe some other Mer experiments | 15:09 | |
| sledges | Stskeeps, too true, too.. | 15:09 |
| sledges | what is Tizen based on? | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | depends who you ask.. | 15:13 |
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| sledges | 8) | 15:14 |
| sledges | I'll rephrase: Tizen's developer's device, does it support a glibc-based OS? | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it runs one | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | debian-based | 15:14 |
| sledges | right | 15:14 |
| sledges | well them might be one of our hopes :) | 15:15 |
| * Stskeeps nods | 15:16 | |
| Stskeeps | we're utterly screwed | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 15:16 |
| zeq1 | I'm holding out some hope some manufacturers will Microsoft's new stragegy, and take a serious look at Plasma/Active for tablets... Wishful thinking? | 15:18 |
| sledges | what's M$'s new strategy, zeq1 ? | 15:19 |
| zeq1 | I'm referring to their Windows8 stragegy. Their own tablets, whereby they're competing with their OEM customers. | 15:21 |
| sledges | as in: they'll try to sell W8 licences, at the same time selling it their with own HW :) | 15:23 |
| zeq1 | exactly | 15:23 |
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| sledges | and then M$'s customer will start looking at PA instead, good plan! PA needs some more polishing and optimisations though, but hope they can time-to-market | 15:24 |
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| sledges | competition to Android/iOS could start boiling in markets other than tables/phones: set-top-boxes/TVs, industrial ones like: fridges/ATMs/cameras/sat-nav's/home-automation/.../HUDs:)/insert-your-gadget | 15:33 |
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| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: how do I setup next repos in mds ? | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron1: cheating.. git checkout tags in one and pull master in another | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | mds2 is supposed to solve this | 16:35 |
| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: ah so I need to instances | 16:35 |
| phaeron1 | *two | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:35 |
| aard_ | still, I guess it's worth it :) | 16:36 |
| phaeron1 | yes | 16:36 |
| phaeron1 | acceptable | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | just two core checkouts | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo jonni, good to see you here :) | 16:36 |
| aard_ | is the next import on cobs automagic? | 16:37 |
| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: mds next should also have a periodic pull | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | no, manual work | 16:37 |
| jonni | Stskeeps: thanks, good to be here :) | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | jonni, if you have any questions feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out :) | 16:38 |
| dm8tbr | yay, the mer/plasma stuff is now 'official' for archos gen9 - http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/archos_gen9.html | 16:40 |
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| Stskeeps | cool, any press release yet? | 16:43 |
| dm8tbr | dunno | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | still yay | 16:45 |
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| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: what am I supposed to change .. , I am a bit lost | 16:53 |
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| Shmerl | Hi | 16:56 |
| Shmerl | Were there any fixes for sb2 Mer SDK to work with Vivaldi image? | 16:57 |
| Shmerl | last time I tried it didn't work because of some sb2 / zypper issues. | 16:57 |
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| Shmerl | (related bug: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ) | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron1: mappings.xml | 17:02 |
| phaeron1 | to point at what :D | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | core-next checkout | 17:02 |
| * phaeron1 feels stupid | 17:03 | |
| Stskeeps | obs+projects/Core-next | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | obs-projects i mean | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | Shmerl: try again with newest sdk | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | Shmerl: should work | 17:08 |
| Shmerl | OK, I'll give it a try (last time a did it some time ago). | 17:08 |
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| lbt | phaeron1: so those changes for MDS look useful | 19:01 |
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| lbt | just looking for where this stuff lives - I don't think it's in git | 19:01 |
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| lbt | ah, wait - wrong repo | 19:02 |
| lbt | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/release-tools.git;a=tree | 19:02 |
| lbt | I've made one or two small changes recently http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/release-tools.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/lbt | 19:03 |
| phaeron1 | the day has come I have to deal with gerrit | 19:04 |
| lbt | not for that | 19:04 |
| CosmoHill | oh no | 19:04 |
| phaeron1 | ah | 19:04 |
| lbt | or at least, not in a code-review way | 19:04 |
| phaeron1 | phew | 19:04 |
| CosmoHill | I added a friend on facebook it recommened | 19:04 |
| CosmoHill | now it won't shut up | 19:05 |
| iekku | CosmoHill, add me, and i can promise i talk to you only in irc :P | 19:05 |
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| phaeron1 | lbt: which ssh key is that | 19:07 |
| lbt | follow the link... | 19:08 |
| aard_ | iekku: how much do you pay for adding you on facebook? :) | 19:09 |
| iekku | aard_, you can view nice pictures of me when you miss me? | 19:10 |
| aard_ | iekku: that's not wife-approved | 19:10 |
| iekku | aard_, pyh pah | 19:11 |
| iekku | aard_, point was "one look and don't miss anymore" | 19:11 |
| iekku | :) | 19:11 |
| phaeron1 | really | 19:12 |
| * lbt gets popcorn | 19:12 | |
| phaeron1 | you ... | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | skip osc parts | 19:14 |
| phaeron1 | I figured _that_ out :D | 19:15 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution#Initial_setup | 19:15 |
| lbt | but it should really use LDAP | 19:15 |
| phaeron1 | I was thinking that | 19:15 |
| lbt | but we suffered from "oh, we'll just get it setup and change it later" syndrome | 19:16 |
| lbt | hmmm http://gerrit.googlecode.com/svn/documentation/2.1/config-gerrit.html#ldap | 19:16 |
| phaeron1 | lbt: http://review.merproject.org/#change,621 | 19:22 |
| iekku | aard_, no new friend request :cry: | 19:23 |
| phaeron1 | lbt: comments welcome | 19:23 |
| phaeron1 | *duh that's what review is for | 19:24 |
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| aard_ | iekku: who were you expecting one from? | 19:27 |
| * lbt is watching rpm build .... packaging based on the real upstream git repo blended with pristine tar and mer's git-managed patches .... (oh, and it doesn't need spectacle aard_) | 19:27 | |
| aard_ | lbt: perfect. when can we meet and burn the remains of spectacle? :) | 19:28 |
| lbt | iekku: you don't exist | 19:28 |
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| lbt | aard_: when we move to .deb .... | 19:30 |
| phaeron1 | lbt: http://review.merproject.org/#change,622 | 19:30 |
| aard_ | lbt: ah, you want to take a more active part in the burning :) | 19:30 |
| * lbt had to hack on rpm source code recently ... I had to shower afterwards | 19:32 | |
| aard_ | and you believe hacking on deb stuff would be better? | 19:32 |
| lbt | yes... it has this habit of having documentation matching the code | 19:33 |
| iekku | \o/ | 19:33 |
| lbt | :D | 19:33 |
| aard_ | that's completely overrated | 19:33 |
| phaeron1 | you showered ? that's an improvement :D | 19:33 |
| * phaeron1 runs away | 19:33 | |
| * lbt decideds he *will* ask for test cases for phaeron1's patches | 19:34 | |
| iekku | :D | 19:34 |
| iekku | was there any popcorns left? | 19:34 |
| lbt | I can always be persuaded to make more popcorn | 19:35 |
| aard_ | lbt: wow, I didn't know you can cook | 19:36 |
| lbt | oh yeah! I can do noodles too! | 19:36 |
| lbt | iekku: Odin ... ROFL | 19:37 |
| iekku | lbt, it's true :) | 19:38 |
| aard_ | odin? | 19:38 |
| lbt | aard_: friends-only joke :D | 19:38 |
| aard_ | :( | 19:39 |
| iekku | aard_, now you see :) | 19:40 |
| aard_ | iekku: but david was right, you don't exist | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | i see we got a beer stand installed instead of a water cooler.. | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:42 |
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| lbt | blame iekku | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | too easy :P | 19:43 |
| lbt | phaeron1: 622 looks good - need to test it | 19:43 |
| smoku | lbt: how do you do packaging based on git repo? | 19:45 |
| smoku | s/repo/source/ | 19:46 |
| lbt | smoku: ah, I thought no-one would ever ask :) | 19:46 |
| * smoku is sorry it took so long | 19:46 | |
| * lbt waits for the dust to settle after Stskeeps and phaeron1 run away screaming... | 19:46 | |
| lbt | first, you know git repo's have a tree of commits with a single base node? | 19:48 |
| lbt | well, they can actually have multiple, independent trees inside one repo | 19:48 |
| lbt | so I make another tree that has the packaging stuff inside it | 19:49 |
| lbt | that repo has a file that essentially points to a tag/sha1 in the master | 19:49 |
| lbt | and it uses 'git archive' to make an upstream tarball | 19:49 |
| lbt | then we put mer patches against the upstream git | 19:50 |
| lbt | and use git to create a patch sequence | 19:50 |
| lbt | those patches are cherry picked/rebased to a new upstream tag each time we change our packaging | 19:50 |
| phaeron1 | and he has a script that does that stuff and you don't need to do any manual steps.. right ? | 19:51 |
| lbt | yes | 19:51 |
| lbt | now it upstream either don't have git, or if they also do releases as tarballs, we use pristine tar | 19:51 |
| lbt | that gives us a binary identical (ie crypto-verifiable) upstream tarball | 19:52 |
| smoku | for the correctness sake - git repos have many heads, which eventually lead to base nodes, but the heads are tracked not the bases | 19:52 |
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| lbt | correct - the point is you can have 2 heads which don't share any commits/blobs | 19:53 |
| lbt | ie the trees are discrete | 19:53 |
| lbt | all this means that we practically build direct from git, not tarballs+patches | 19:54 |
| smoku | lbt: how does it differ from obs source service? | 19:55 |
| lbt | the benefit are: in being able to push patches upstream, better patch mgmt, easier access to code to hack | 19:55 |
| lbt | smoku: it would work alongside that | 19:55 |
| lbt | or ideally in a more integrated way | 19:55 |
| smoku | so, basically you create tarballs on demand (with git archive) and then proceed as usuall? | 19:56 |
| lbt | yes, as a phased approach we'd do that first | 19:56 |
| lbt | later we'd stream from the git server -> cpio -x | 19:56 |
| lbt | so no need to create a tarball, copy, store, extract | 19:56 |
| smoku | how do you manage versioning of these tarballs? as rpm requires sequence versions for proper upgrades | 19:57 |
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| lbt | so conceptually we version in the same way as tarballs today | 19:57 |
| lbt | ie upstream specifies version | 19:57 |
| lbt | we then append -R | 19:58 |
| lbt | and for OBS .CI.BI | 19:58 |
| smoku | so upstream version 1.2.3 + n patches is still version 1.2.3 ? | 19:58 |
| lbt | yes | 19:58 |
| lbt | but 1.2.3-1 | 19:58 |
| smoku | clever. I didn'r thaught of that ;-) | 19:58 |
| lbt | if we change a patch then 1.2.3-2 | 19:58 |
| smoku | yup. obs is good for tracking these :) | 19:59 |
| lbt | yeah - although I have issues with default rules | 19:59 |
| lbt | but that's for another day :) | 19:59 |
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| lbt | OK ... bbiab | 20:00 |
| smoku | lbt: well... using upstream tarball + n patches applied by obs does not change upstream versioning, so having the patches "applied" in git makes no difference | 20:03 |
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| smoku | is there a way of telling spectacle which package should it attach the .lang file list? | 20:18 |
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| smoku | looking at the spec template - it is not | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a good feature req | 20:40 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: here you are: MER402 | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | thaniks | 20:47 |
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| lbt | smoku: no, the tarball is, by definition, pristine. The point of having them applied in git is that we can extract them into the spec-favoured patches easily | 21:08 |
| lbt | I'm writing it up as I go too - so more detail in the README | 21:08 |
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| smoku | lbt: oh. so you've just scripted the approach I am using ATM. cool :D | 21:28 |
| smoku | lbt: take a look at https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=hildon-desktop&project=Project%3ACordia%3AHildon | 21:29 |
| lbt | you use pristine tar? | 21:29 |
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| lbt | yes, though, that looks very similar to the output you'd get | 21:30 |
| lbt | ideally we'll have some branch/tag naming conventions too | 21:31 |
| smoku | lbt: upstream tarball imported to git tracking branch and then master rebased on the tracking branch, then all patches from the tracking head exported and inserted to yaml, then specify and done | 21:31 |
| lbt | yay! | 21:31 |
| smoku | loads of manual labor though :/ | 21:32 |
| lbt | now I also keep the yaml/spec/changes in git too: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/osc.git;a=summary | 21:32 |
| lbt | at the bottom, look at the tree's for the 2 branches | 21:33 |
| smoku | yes, I see them | 21:33 |
| lbt | and look in the mer-pkg tree at the _src file | 21:33 |
| lbt | I'm refining that format now | 21:34 |
| lbt | git:osc-0.133.1.tar.bz2:0.133.1 means: use git (not pristine tar) to make osc-0.133.1.tar.bz2 using tag: 0.133.1 | 21:35 |
| lbt | then make patches from 0.133.1..mer-master | 21:35 |
| lbt | that _src is an interim that could drive a sourceservice | 21:35 |
| smoku | and you have separate tool that uses this _src file? | 21:38 |
| smoku | attaching it to surce service... neat | 21:38 |
| lbt | yes - not too big either | 21:39 |
| lbt | it sounds like you'd be interested so I'll get it into a repo somewhere tomorrow and you can play too | 21:41 |
| phaeron1 | lbt: we use apache on cobs , right ? | 21:42 |
| phaeron1 | or nginx ? | 21:42 |
| lbt | apache | 21:42 |
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| lbt | used to be lighttpd ... but too many security issues iirc | 21:44 |
| rzr | hi guys do you have a backup plan for pub.meego.com ? | 21:46 |
| lbt | do you mean a plan B or a way to recover lost data? | 21:46 |
| rzr | a B C D .. Z plan yes | 21:46 |
| lbt | yes | 21:46 |
| lbt | kinda | 21:47 |
| rzr | good to know because i have none for harmattan | 21:47 |
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| lbt | yeah | 21:47 |
| lbt | I think maemo may need to start doing some fundraising soon | 21:47 |
| rzr | no hope w/ the tizen side ? | 21:48 |
| lbt | not a chance imho | 21:48 |
| lbt | total waste of time | 21:48 |
| rzr | or opensuse ? | 21:48 |
| lbt | that's possible | 21:48 |
| rzr | i mean novel obs | 21:48 |
| rzr | that's their toy ... | 21:49 |
| lbt | I think Mer is the best bet due to the fact that the OBS is not standard | 21:49 |
| rzr | and nokia belongs to the msft familly now , like novel :) | 21:49 |
| lbt | mmm | 21:49 |
| rzr | jk | 21:50 |
| rzr | tmo talks about also supporting maemo5 too | 21:51 |
| lbt | I don't do tmo I'm afraid | 21:56 |
| lbt | I should remind vgrade to setup another OBS planning meeting | 21:57 |
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