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| iekku | morning | 04:00 |
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| dm8tbr | moaning | 04:16 |
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| Sage_ | morning | 04:49 |
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| iekku | hi sage | 04:52 |
| Sage_ | lbt: when is the Mer release going to happen btw? | 04:53 |
| Sage_ | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202 is something that would be nice to have fixed in next release. Need more info though. | 04:54 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: nemo images needed to verify quality | 05:12 |
| Stskeeps | and i've been away too | 05:12 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: well that feature isn't used in nemo images yet thus nobody has noted it earlier AFAIK. | 05:13 |
| Stskeeps | i didnt see bug yet | 05:15 |
| Stskeeps | but we need those imges | 05:15 |
| Sage_ | I meant that even if I do images we dont' see the bug in the image as the calendar isn't in nemo repos but only in their devel tree. | 05:17 |
| Sage_ | the calendar that shows the bug that is | 05:17 |
| Sage_ | I'll do images today when I get "few" things sorted out. :P | 05:17 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 05:20 |
| * Stskeeps just woke up and is extremely trashed | 05:21 | |
| iekku | i hope i wake at some point | 05:22 |
| * Sage_ feels better when hearing that he is not the only one :) | 05:22 | |
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| iekku | i had alarm set at 7:00. woke up about 5 times for wife's alarm and 6:10 he was yelling downstairs that he can't find he's wallet... | 05:24 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: got my message? | 05:41 |
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| Stskeeps | w00t: whatmessageneedcoffee | 05:41 |
| E-P | Morning | 05:42 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: how was your flight? :) | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | morn E-P :) | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: bumpy, strong tail wind | 05:42 |
| dm8tbr | ic, did that make the kids shut up? :) | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | it certainly added for a nice noise filter | 05:43 |
| dm8tbr | :] | 05:43 |
| w00t | 06/24@21:23:15 <#mer/w00t> Stskeeps: i fixed the y-flip bug, i have no idea how | 05:43 |
| w00t | 06/24@21:23:20 <#mer/w00t> Stskeeps: also, we require no qml patch | 05:43 |
| w00t | 06/24@21:23:49 <#mer/w00t> Stskeeps: install qt5-qtqml-import-window2 | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: ok, that solves it for you? | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | the installing | 05:44 |
| w00t | had 4 minimer demos running fine | 05:44 |
| w00t | in qml-compositor | 05:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | without qml patching? | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | or with | 05:45 |
| w00t | without | 05:45 |
| w00t | the patching was caused by the missing package | 05:45 |
| w00t | i was just an idiot and didn't realise the error | 05:46 |
| w00t | :P | 05:46 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so a bare qt-qtwayland package, works with qt5-qtqml-import-window2 ? | 05:47 |
| w00t | yes | 05:48 |
| w00t | i guess if you package qml example seperate, then you could add a dependency and it'd work | 05:48 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 05:48 |
| Stskeeps | k | 05:48 |
| Stskeeps | good | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder why that is though | 05:53 |
| w00t | why it is? because the QML uses that import | 05:54 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 05:54 |
| Stskeeps | i really wonder at times if rpm should autogenerate qml dependencies | 05:55 |
| Stskeeps | er, rpmbuild | 05:55 |
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| w00t | downstairs for breakfast, and then airport time | 05:57 |
| w00t | o/ | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | enjoy | 05:58 |
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| Venemo_N9 | good morning :) | 06:50 |
| iekku | morning | 06:50 |
| E-P | morning | 06:51 |
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| rcg | Sage_: I filed a new bug for mer. Should I close the initial bug for nemo as "resolved" or as "triagedupstream"? | 07:34 |
| rcg | I also added a somewhat revised version of the patch | 07:35 |
| Sage_ | resolve that bug somehow :) | 07:36 |
| rcg | right, done :) | 07:37 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine o/ | 08:05 |
| slaine | Morning Stskeeps | 08:08 |
| lbt | morning all | 08:09 |
| rcg | morning lbt | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 08:09 |
| rcg | Sage_: http://pastebin.com/bhLAv9qK | 08:09 |
| * Stskeeps is finally back at his desk, missed it very much. | 08:09 | |
| rcg | wb Stskeeps :) | 08:10 |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, hope you don't need to travel soon again | 08:10 |
| sonach | lbt: morning! I am re-running your scripts :) | 08:11 |
| rcg | Sage_: i think that's what you meant with having the return in the cpp file? I also think that this gives the meaning away much better | 08:11 |
| lbt | sonach: good :) | 08:11 |
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| lbt | rcg: I see #387 | 08:11 |
| rcg | lbt: yes | 08:11 |
| lbt | rcg: this isn't a regression is it? | 08:15 |
| lbt | just a recently spotted bug? | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: this looks like an awesome opportunity to learn how to submit changes to mer :) | 08:15 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail | 08:16 |
| rcg | lbt: dunno if it is a regression. i just stumbled over it while hacking on qmlcalendar and trying to get persistency to work | 08:16 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: mainly was wondering about doing another snapshot with it - but think not | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | no | 08:16 |
| rcg | Stskeeps: hehe, ic :) | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | not a release blocker in my book and we're already delayed | 08:17 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: agree, a regression would have been | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: it's quite simple really, git clone, change patch, submit.. | 08:17 |
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| rcg | Stskeeps: yeah, i had a quick look at the link lbt sent | 08:19 |
| rcg | unfortunately, right now i really need to get my ass up and go to work | 08:19 |
| rcg | :/ | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 08:19 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: fyi I need to patch : rpm, build and osc to get quickbuild working | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: OK | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | no objections from me | 08:20 |
| rcg | got some freaking important stuff i should have been working on much much more | 08:20 |
| lbt | rpmbuild runs %clean when passed -bb | 08:20 |
| lbt | http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm-snapshot/rpmbuild.8.html | 08:20 |
| rcg | Stskeeps: i might come back to you tonight when, hopefully, i finished the other work :) | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: well, my initial quickbuild was just on sources side | 08:21 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: so are you OK if I patch our rpmbuild to not do that | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: that alone is a speedup | 08:21 |
| lbt | and instead to behave as documented | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: in case you're doing --skipprep or whatever | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | well | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | .. okay | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | check the man page in rpm first | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | not max-rpm-snapshot | 08:21 |
| lbt | I did | 08:21 |
| lbt | same text | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | after that, it's OK | 08:21 |
| lbt | also - it's actually quite unpleasant to reproduce an 'as shipped' source tree | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 08:22 |
| lbt | eg for rpm | 08:22 |
| lbt | package has 14 patches | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | i've looked into rpm 4.10 as well | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | some can be cut | 08:23 |
| lbt | 9 is missing | 08:23 |
| lbt | 3 are not applied | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | we should do some automated work to clean up our packages | 08:23 |
| lbt | it's just .... ugly :) | 08:23 |
| lbt | yes | 08:23 |
| lbt | OK - coffee now | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 08:24 |
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| sonach | lbt: how to change 'OBSRSYNC_INT="obsrun@obsfe.example.com"'? | 08:59 |
| sonach | lbt: if my OBSFE=192.168.188.143, is it OBSRSYNC_INT="obsrun@192.168.188.143"? | 09:00 |
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| lbt | yes, that should work | 09:00 |
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| sonach | ok, | 09:09 |
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| iekku | mer bug triage starting soon | 10:59 |
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| swisstomcat | hiya | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo swisstomcat :) back from a lot of travel? | 11:09 |
| swisstomcat | hey :) | 11:09 |
| swisstomcat | yeah | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | same here.. first day back after 3 weeks on the move, so tired | 11:09 |
| swisstomcat | i'll be in madrid soon | 11:09 |
| swisstomcat | for spainjs | 11:09 |
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| swisstomcat | i met with scott jenson when i was in palo alto | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i had a talk with him on the phone a week or two ago | 11:11 |
| swisstomcat | talking about ubiquitous computing and project grande | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | went quite well, after we sorted out technical difficulties of intercontinential voice communication | 11:12 |
| swisstomcat | very interesting stuff | 11:12 |
| swisstomcat | i hope we can somehow push this forward | 11:12 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: hey | 11:13 |
| swisstomcat | hi lbt | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | yes - i think it might be worthwhile to establish some kind of mailing list for sharing ideas -- because alone we can't lift this stuff but even a small group of people can be doing a lot | 11:13 |
| swisstomcat | yep | 11:13 |
| swisstomcat | i also met someone at mobilism who seemed very interested (scott spoke there) | 11:13 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: never heard back from Steve Lemke :( | 11:14 |
| swisstomcat | oh :( | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | swisstomcat: we've been hacking a bit on sw side this weekend, we now have a nice stack with qt5, qml compositor and llvmpipe in a virtualbox, makes for great prototyping of next-gen systems | 11:14 |
| swisstomcat | cool, i'd be interested in testing that (not that i know much about qt5/qml) | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | oh, and wayland | 11:15 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: maybe you can prod him :) | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | as you can do anything you'd like with windows, shade them differently, etc | 11:15 |
| swisstomcat | lbt: i think they're still working on OE | 11:15 |
| lbt | ah ... we'll wait for their eyes to bleed some more then :) | 11:16 |
| swisstomcat | lbt: i could remind steve | 11:16 |
| lbt | *nod* | 11:17 |
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| alterego | lbt: see the wiki migration went well :) | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | images/ ? | 11:19 |
| lbt | alterego: yes thanks - and you should be able to carry on looking after it too | 11:19 |
| alterego | I can't seem to SSH in to the vm | 11:19 |
| lbt | hmm | 11:19 |
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| lbt | let me finish bug triage | 11:20 |
| alterego | Yeah, not urgent. | 11:20 |
| alterego | yes | 11:20 |
| alterego | ~yet | 11:20 |
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| * alterego wonders if he can fit a gpg key on an NFC tag | 11:51 | |
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| Stskeeps | public or private? | 11:53 |
| alterego | Well, public should fit | 11:55 |
| dm8tbr | alterego: the hash should fit easily | 11:55 |
| alterego | And private I think would be a bit of a security issue :) | 11:55 |
| lbt | indeed | 11:55 |
| dm8tbr | there are small tags, but there are nice 1k tags too. 4k prolly too | 11:55 |
| alterego | I've got 1k tags | 11:55 |
| * dm8tbr always wanted to fit a vcard in there | 11:56 | |
| kimju | are those bits or bytes? | 11:56 |
| alterego | bytes | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: perhaps better to fit in a keyserver ID? | 11:56 |
| dm8tbr | bytes | 11:56 |
| dm8tbr | yes, hash plus ID, that's what I thought | 11:56 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: yeah, and as far as vcard, you could fit a small vcard on there. But maybe having some kind of link to an open id profile or something. | 11:56 |
| alterego | It's a shame the NFC stack in the N9 is closed. | 11:57 |
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| Stskeeps | w00t: confirmed, -window2 did the trick | 12:04 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: good | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | no qml mods, etc | 12:05 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: you mentioned you had testrunner-lite working ? | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: sure | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-raspberrypi.ks | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | and testrunner-lite and -ui in sdk | 12:19 |
| phaeron | ok | 12:20 |
| lbt | alterego: what's the ssh issue? | 12:22 |
| alterego | lbt: just times out :/ | 12:22 |
| alterego | Oh ffs, I'm using the wrong port again .. | 12:22 |
| alterego | What's the port number? | 12:23 |
| alterego | 2221? | 12:23 |
| lbt | hmm | 12:24 |
| alterego | Hmm, that's not having it either .. | 12:24 |
| lbt | 2222 | 12:24 |
| alterego | There we go :) | 12:25 |
| alterego | Cool, | 12:26 |
| lbt | I'll remove the old session | 12:26 |
| lbt | 2003 30627 30626 0 Feb16 pts/2 00:00:00 -bash | 12:26 |
| lbt | :) | 12:26 |
| alterego | I have an old session? | 12:28 |
| lbt | two ... Feb 16 and Mar 26 | 12:28 |
| lbt | killed now | 12:28 |
| alterego | Interesting, wonder why they weren't being reaped. | 12:28 |
| alterego | Not got screen on there. | 12:29 |
| lbt | not sure - I assumed they were in a screen elsewhere | 12:30 |
| alterego | Nope | 12:30 |
| lbt | maybe ssh isn't doing keepalives and so doesn't notice dead connections | 12:30 |
| lbt | anyhow ... back to food and then more fastbuild | 12:32 |
| lbt | oh alterego I installed some Debian extensions too - Cite and a few others - maybe see if they're operational and we can put up a page | 12:32 |
| lbt | CategoryTree Footnote RSSReader and LDAP of course | 12:33 |
| alterego | Cool | 12:36 |
| alterego | Well, I'm sorta busy this week, but I'll hopefully have some time in the evenings. | 12:36 |
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| alterego | Well, just "Registered my interest" in a raspberry pi. Could have sworn I pre-ordered last year but meh. | 12:55 |
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| Stskeeps | w00t: regarding mouse cursor, my virtualbox has an option for absolute pointer device | 14:44 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: meaning? | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | meaning 'act like a touchscreen' | 14:44 |
| w00t | hmm | 14:45 |
| w00t | still not quite sure what you mean in practice, does that help the bad sensitivity problem or? | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | yes, you'd get touch instead of relative mouse movement | 14:45 |
| w00t | hmm | 14:45 |
| w00t | interesting maybe | 14:46 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i don't know what we did, but nemo on newest prerelease feels faster | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if this is related to the zlib-SSSE3 optimizations | 15:02 |
| w00t | what hw? | 15:02 |
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| Stskeeps | exopc | 15:03 |
| w00t | cool | 15:03 |
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| w00t | time for me to go see if i have a gate, i suppose.. | 15:03 |
| w00t | laptop is just about dead | 15:03 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1227178&postcount=75 | 15:18 |
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| zeq1 | Hi guys, over a #maemo we've been fixing Fennec not to use QtSensors for orientation information. I was just wondering if you still use this broken polling API, or if it's being fixed/replace with an event/notification based API? | 17:58 |
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| Stskeeps | zeq1: depends, send a patch? | 18:43 |
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| zeq1 | Stskeeps: I could take a stab at it, I was just wondering if you were using those libqtm APIs, and if so for what purposes. Any new API has to meet existing requirements where they make sense, or else code like in Fennec needs to be modified to use a more suitable API. | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | zeq1: it might be better to look at qt5's ways of doing it | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | as qtm is part of that | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | qt4.* isn't likely to change APIs | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | also, for DocS, i can actually read #maemo irc logs too you know | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | zeq1: could you investigate android APIs as well in this respect? | 18:51 |
| zeq1 | I did mention we were talking about it :) | 18:51 |
| Ronksu | evenings | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | but seriously though: the usual gripe is about a certain driver in a hardware adaptation, which is external to the mer project. the qt mobility api's may be sub-optimal | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | and qt4.* apis aren't likely to be better | 18:52 |
| zeq1 | I'll take a look at what's in qt5/android | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | i can't help but wonder if it was at some point evaluated to be "not that significant an issue" though - i know the people who do wakeup checks and power management on n900 | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | well, before they lost their jobs | 18:54 |
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| Stskeeps | and i doubt they'd oversee a wakeup source like that if it was significant | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but when N900=maemo5, then that's the only architecture that uses a semi-decent IRQ driven approach | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | based on a mameo-specific hw driver | 18:56 |
| freemangordon | Stskeeps: AFAIK Qt on maemo5 uses mce for orientation reading, could be wrong though | 18:56 |
| zeq1 | probably hard to ask them now. certainly in principle you' want to wake up as little as possible regardless of adaptation | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | let's just say that beyond community there isn't a terribly much going to happen on the n900 kernel, or for that matter n950/n9 | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the issue is embedded domain | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that it would hurt to have a decent arch on desktop platforms | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | zeq1: agreed | 18:58 |
| yunta | zeq1: just use ipheartbeat (if it's actually open) to synchronize polling. impact will be very minimal then. | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | yunta: iphb library is but i think the kernel side wasn't really accepted upstream, i think.. | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | but i might be wrong | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when I hear heartbeat, i already frown | 18:59 |
| yunta | hehe, stupid little thing, but it's all we had in n900 | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | yunta: well, idea is pretty good | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got NO_HZ on what? kernel version 2.4.somebeers? | 19:01 |
| yunta | general idea yes, but their implementation missed the point completely, at least for high level services | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | yunta: for sure | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | do we have hartbeat when the device is offline? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | it was vastly underdocumented | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | idea been a idle platform is actually iudle | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you generally don't want *any* timers running on an idle platform, just to do some polling | 19:02 |
| yunta | we still have heartbeat from battery and other sources (timer in syshb) when offline | 19:02 |
| yunta | you know, as in : battery *HAS* to be checked every 12s or whatever | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and if polling isn't avoidable, then the timer needs to be inside or close to the sensor that gets polled | 19:03 |
| * Stskeeps has to get some sleep | 19:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery *has* to be checked? just WHY? | 19:03 |
| yunta | depends on battery implementation I guess | 19:04 |
| yunta | speaking about n900 and n9 - it's about safety | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I for the life of mine couldn't think of any reason to check battery every 12 seconds | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no, yunta. THIS is not related to safety | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on N9* we got a proper battery management chip that needs no attention whatsoever during discharge | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (end *very* little attention during charging) | 19:06 |
| yunta | hmmm | 19:06 |
| yunta | I think 60s was normal discharge polling time | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to display the battery icon with proper amount of bars inside, yes | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could be completely stopped when screen is locked so icon not showing | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no sound rationale to *poll* | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the story is always the same: "look, we're polling as there's already something else that does" | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it is stopped | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | (when the screen is off) | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | libbmeipc listens to mce and stops the timer when needed | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a golden commandment: never use polling on embedded when there's *any* other way | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and alas e.g. for acellerometer, avoiding polling and still allowing instant reaction on a movement of device (even during 'idle') means we can't use the API and concept based on polling, as the two concepts conflict | 19:15 |
| yunta | sure, if you want to make things perfect | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for battery it's maybe no problem to poll as long as you need the actual values, and stop polling as soon as e.g. screen gets locked. Since battery usually can't create any unexpected unforseeable events | 19:17 |
| yunta | in practice if you need like 0.01s for you poll, you can poll every 0.5s and you won't notice a difference in power consumption with screen-on | 19:18 |
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| yunta | just because cpu will use 5mA more, and screen uses 180mA anyway | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for accel however we got a nice chip with proper IRQ and a whole zoo of comparators and filters | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yunta: that's all pretty fine _as long as screen on_ | 19:19 |
| yunta | yeah | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if however you one day get the funny idea to maybe ring an alarm when somebody touches your device (movement detection), you'll start to curse the day you decided polling is the _simpler_ way to go for you as a developer | 19:20 |
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| aard_ | DocScrutinizer05: reminds me, there's some car whatever utilities app in the store, with one function 'take pictures on movement'. my wife installed that, and the app didn't shut down properly. took a while to figure out where the hundreds of pictures on her phone came from :) | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and btw, polling ever 0.5s seems intolerably long a delay when we expect device to react promptly on moves | 19:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | au contraire we already need a sample period of at least 150..200ms to filter out sporadic bouncing | 19:26 |
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| yunta | still acceptable in screen-on, but I totally support your view | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | during that sample period we should scan the orientation way more often than a mere 2Hz | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and once you accept that a sensor data _maybe_ is also needed when actually nothing else in active on device (situation when an app is waiting for an orientation change IRQ/signal, while device is 'idle'), you suddenly realize that 1320mAh / n << 1320mAh / (n + 5mA) | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/<</>>/ | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where n is for example ~6mA for an idle N900 | 19:40 |
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| lbt | DocScrutinizer05: what happens when the device is idle in your pocket? | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lbt: shall I guess what's the point you have in mind? | 20:03 |
| lbt | you're talking about event vs poll | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:04 |
| lbt | when the device is in my pocket and I'm moving then it will be continuall emitting events | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not more frequently than when you're polling it at a sane rate | 20:05 |
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| lbt | why? | 20:05 |
| lbt | are events rate limited? | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even if it would, you're still free to power down the whole chip | 20:05 |
| lbt | I was actually thinking that rate limiting events would help | 20:05 |
| lbt | but if they already are then ... no need | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply wait with servicing the IRQ and re-loading it | 20:06 |
| lbt | and it may have to wakeup too much to simply process the event to rate limit it | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no second IRQ until you serviced the first one | 20:06 |
| lbt | OK, so rather than poll | 20:07 |
| lbt | you say "won't accept another for Xms" | 20:07 |
| lbt | by sleep X; reload IRQ | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and after all it's up to you (or your middleware) to set the thresholds in lis302 so that you only get events you're interested in | 20:08 |
| lbt | and yes, X could be parameterised for appropriate power usage | 20:08 |
| lbt | thanks - just getting my head round that aspect - I hadn't appreciated how the event stream could be managed | 20:09 |
| lbt | for those sensors - how much noise is there? ie would a stationary device send a stream of interrupts due to minor fluctuations? | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, you got 2 apps that are intersted in orientation (at large). A wants to wake up on hard bouncing, B wants to know when you turn device upside down. Both need to register to a service that finds common denominator of the requests and adjusts lis302 accordinly | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if nobody is interested in any orientation event at all, the driver should just power down the whole chip | 20:11 |
| lbt | of course | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the rest is up to "you" | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (noise) you adjust thresholds in chip | 20:12 |
| lbt | right - was just thinking I'd need to understand the chip capabilities | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got iirc 2 comparators, a set of highpass filters (to detect changes aka motion), and an adder to monitor 3 axes with just one comparator | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you (again iirc) could set up all these blocks so one comparator gets highpass-filtered events of arbitrary set of axis, and would fire when change in orientation is >x/timeunit. A second comparator could monitor sum of all three axis raw unfiltered values, and fire when it gets <0.01g (means freefall). You even have two IRQ output pins, though I'm not sure both are connected on N900 | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | all parameters of comparators and filter are configurable | 20:17 |
| lbt | *nod* ... was just googling a bit | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, there's also a mode where IRQ fires on a timepace, like 100/s, for *real* polling | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course if your config says "fire IRQ1 when X >0.8G" and you simply reset the IRQ without changing the setup nor the orientation, then the IRQ gets triggered again instantly | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | less of a problem for highpass filtered stuff though | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also please take all that with a grain of salt, I last time looked into lis302 datasheet like 6 months ago | 20:20 |
| lbt | which is why you'd look at the desired responsiveness when sleeping before reseting IRQ | 20:21 |
| lbt | *nod* ... conceptually I'm sure it's sound :) | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kept it in a dark corner of my mind for >2 years | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's "ripe" | 20:22 |
| lbt | is it just accel btw? or orientation too? | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | only orientation | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meants which size and direction has the g vector | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it measures acceleration | 20:23 |
| lbt | ah, OK | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just a small mass on 3 gauges | 20:24 |
| lbt | yep - my mental model was wrong | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lbt: that for it basically cant detect rotations, at least when roatation axis is || g-vector | 20:30 |
| lbt | thanks ... now, must not get *too* distracted :) | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 20:32 |
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