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| Stskeeps | morn | 03:12 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning dcthang | 03:33 |
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| dcthang | good morning Stskeeps | 03:36 |
| Stskeeps | how is it going? i've spent the week in finland, been interesting to see the latest nokia news :P | 03:37 |
| dcthang | everything is fine. yeah, that's so interesting ;) | 03:39 |
| Stskeeps | good we have Mer so we aren't relying on yet another platform dying :) | 03:40 |
| dcthang | yes | 03:40 |
| dcthang | But I think Mer has many things to do if Mer wants to be come to one of best platform :) | 03:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 03:41 |
| dcthang | ah you've just been Devaamo Summit rite?:) | 03:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 03:41 |
| Stskeeps | it was quite good | 03:41 |
| dcthang | great, I only heard something good from that. Unlucky I can't get there | 03:43 |
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| dcthang | ah It looks like Mer has budget for development or you are developing yourself? | 03:46 |
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| Stskeeps | a bit of both, there's companies contributing people who do work on it or small contributions, and for infrastructure people pitch in (we use something like 300 EUR a month on infra, so it's not really bad) | 03:47 |
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| Stskeeps | i prefer this model myself, as companies will then contribute with the effort they need done to improve things | 03:51 |
| Stskeeps | instead of a project which manages funds and employeees of it's own and is disconnected from reality of what vendors want | 03:51 |
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| dcthang | ok :-) | 03:55 |
| dcthang | Until now how many developers are contributing for Mer? | 03:55 |
| Stskeeps | it's difficult to count but i think we're up at 20-30 people who has in some way contributed to mer | 03:56 |
| Stskeeps | while this may seem small compared to how many people was in MeeGo, i found out that for excample each package in MeeGo had only been touched on average 4 times over the entire time of the project | 03:56 |
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| Stskeeps | meaning you actually need a lot less people | 03:57 |
| dcthang | ok, with that number I think it's enough to build a good platform. | 04:03 |
| dcthang | For the application ecosystem, Mer SDK should be good enough for app developers see that's easy to use | 04:03 |
| dcthang | Atm, it's not. | 04:04 |
| Stskeeps | i agree | 04:14 |
| Stskeeps | haven't tried to build app ecosystem personally as i believe html5 is next one | 04:14 |
| Stskeeps | but we can still do a lot to improve dev experience | 04:15 |
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| dcthang | ok, do we have meeting on every Tuesday? | 04:20 |
| Stskeeps | well, which one? :) | 04:22 |
| Stskeeps | release meeting for mer is tuesday and a nemo meeting too | 04:22 |
| Stskeeps | but today we take bug triages as well | 04:23 |
| Stskeeps | due to so many being absent yesterday | 04:23 |
| dcthang | ok, it's good to know that | 04:25 |
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| iekku | morning | 04:47 |
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| dm8tbr | moaning | 04:55 |
| Stskeeps | iekku, 380 - medium high | 05:17 |
| Stskeeps | it helps develope experience a lot | 05:17 |
| iekku | :nod: | 05:17 |
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| OutoLumo | Ok, today I made it to the right network :) | 06:30 |
| Stskeeps | woo :) | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | welcome OutoLumo :) so what brings you here? | 06:32 |
| OutoLumo | Stskeeps, I had a chat with lbt at the devaamo conference last Friday. I promised to look at the website stuff for you. So I've made a preliminary mock-up, as I promised. | 06:34 |
| OutoLumo | lbt, the initial theme is light, would you prefer dark? | 06:34 |
| OutoLumo | address: http://mer.outolumo.net/ | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | alright :) i gtg now, lbt'll be around later | 06:35 |
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| Stskeeps | (arriving to helsinki myself) | 06:35 |
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| iekku | should we have advisory board's member names somewhere in the wiki | 06:37 |
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| OutoLumo | Stskeeps: so I thought - it's 20 to 8 am his local time :) | 06:40 |
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| lbt | morning all | 07:40 |
| rcg | morning lbt | 07:40 |
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| lbt | right .. need to do some thinking and consolidation after our devaamo f2f meetings :) | 07:41 |
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| lbt | OutoLumo: hey .... that's not bad at all | 07:42 |
| lbt | iekku: what time is triage today ? | 07:43 |
| iekku | the usual: 11:00 UTC | 07:44 |
| lbt | I have a dentist appt at 12:30 finnish time | 07:44 |
| lbt | OK | 07:44 |
| lbt | I may well arrive late then | 07:44 |
| lbt | depends if they're on time and/or if they want to do nasty things to me :/ | 07:45 |
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| rcg | lbt: i'll keep my fingers crossed ;) | 07:45 |
| lbt | rcg: ty | 07:45 |
| iekku | lbt, there's only 2 items to triage | 07:48 |
| iekku | so it wont take long | 07:48 |
| lbt | OK .. np | 07:48 |
| lbt | ah, yes.... fix changelog generation | 07:49 |
| iekku | please, take a look for those. Stskeeps asked 380 to be high | 07:49 |
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| lbt | 379 looks like a regression and blocker to me | 07:51 |
| lbt | high to verify if it's a regression; if it is, then it's a blocker | 07:52 |
| iekku | :nod: | 07:53 |
| iekku | so need info with that comment | 07:53 |
| lbt | if it's not a regression then verify that normal SDK sudo operations work (osc build, mic) ... if they're OK in next then I think this is a high but not blocker | 07:54 |
| iekku | i totally agree | 07:55 |
| lbt | 380 .... core or tools ? | 07:56 |
| lbt | I think it's an SDK tool | 07:56 |
| lbt | I guess that would be too disruptive | 07:59 |
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| lbt | looks we're going to need to track sudo/systemd interactions closely | 08:02 |
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| OutoLumo | lbt, ok, I'll start working on that then... See if I can find some CC images to spice it up etc. Though, this week I'm somewhat bound up, and my beloved is in Scotland and I'm here alone with the Little-One-Kenobi. | 08:03 |
| lbt | ooh | 08:03 |
| lbt | finger-painted Mer! | 08:03 |
| lbt | I have an SVG of the Mer logo if that's of use | 08:04 |
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| OutoLumo | lbt. vector is always a better base for imaging. Can you give me a link? | 08:54 |
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| Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork | 09:03 |
| OutoLumo | ty | 09:04 |
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| sledges | Mer wallpaper is now my wallpaper :) | 09:55 |
| iekku | i have badgers | 09:56 |
| iekku | maybe i need to do some photoshop excersise to mix the mer and badgers | 09:57 |
| sledges | badgers? | 09:57 |
| kimju | mushrooms and snake too? | 09:58 |
| sledges | I liked the sunk ship of Nokia and Osakeyhtiö :) | 09:58 |
| sledges | s/and // | 09:59 |
| iekku | kimju, nooooo | 09:59 |
| iekku | sledges, i love badgers | 09:59 |
| slaine | badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger | 10:02 |
| sledges | snake snake! | 10:02 |
| slaine | Oh it's a snake | 10:02 |
| slaine | badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger | 10:02 |
| slaine | mushroom mushroom | 10:02 |
| slaine | Sorry, normal service shall now resume | 10:03 |
| sledges | wish there was a bigger resolution Nokia Ship Mer logo | 10:03 |
| sledges | !seen wazd | 10:03 |
| MerBot | sledges: I have not seen wazd. | 10:03 |
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| iekku | crap i was in the other meeting | 11:21 |
| lbt | iekku: I think today is a bust meeting-wise | 11:24 |
| iekku | :nod: | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes, count me out rest of day too | 11:25 |
| lbt | yay .... work day :) | 11:25 |
| iekku | i change the item's according to discussion we had here earlier | 11:25 |
| lbt | that's cool | 11:25 |
| lbt | it's all we needed really | 11:25 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: ping | 14:49 |
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| Stskeeps | evening OutoLumo :) | 16:04 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: pong | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think if we can get sage to validate mer-next we can do a final release | 17:20 |
| lbt | Ok - I need to grab a shower - been doing cement things | 17:21 |
| lbt | I'm around most of the night though | 17:21 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, dont think its today | 17:23 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 17:24 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: oh, and do you have a changelog of prerelease? | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be useful for testing | 17:33 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: which project on OBS should I use to build for Mer:Next? | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: same as usual, just Core-next | 19:09 |
| smoku | Core-next not Core:Next ? | 19:09 |
| smoku | ok. thanks | 19:11 |
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| smoku | now I just wait until the rebuild storm passes :) | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | coffee time :P | 19:12 |
| smoku | s/coffee/beer/ | 19:12 |
| smoku | it's after 14 afterall | 19:12 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | looking forward to trying out your homebrew :) | 19:13 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: BTW my plans got changed externally, so we need to postpone the degustation even more | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 19:13 |
| * Stskeeps tries to do a mer armv7tnhl port for fun and profit | 19:14 | |
| timoph | tnhl? | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | thumb, neon, hardfloat | 19:16 |
| smoku | super-fast :) | 19:16 |
| smoku | targetted at which soc? | 19:17 |
| smoku | btw, /me is IRCing from Mer :) | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: for now, just trying on n9 | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | to see what implications it has on my mini-mer | 19:17 |
| timoph | ah | 19:17 |
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| smoku | $ lsb_release -d | 19:18 |
| smoku | Description: Mer release 0.2011 (Mer) | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | that's my fault, fwiw | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | bug please | 19:18 |
| smoku | why? looks correct for me | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | it should be 0.2022 | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | err | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | 0.2012 | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | and more expanded than that | 19:19 |
| jussi | o/ | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | evening jussi | 19:20 |
| jussi | Hiya Stskeeps | 19:20 |
| jussi | hows omena today? :D | 19:20 |
| smoku | btw, Fedora's 'make-grubconfig' detected Mer's partition and added it to 'other OS' section under 'Mer release 0.2011 (Mer)' menu item :-D | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | the bandwidth is good on the wifi | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: :> | 19:20 |
| jussi | nice | 19:20 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: feeling better now ? | 19:21 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: isn't a .ks job to overwrite this with proper information? | 19:21 |
| Bostik | hmh, night at omena and flight to Munich tomorrow morning... | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: yeah, spoke to my wife and now calmer, just one more bad image in my mind for the collection.. | 19:22 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: MER#381 | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: thanks | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: re .ks job.. ish | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: theoretically it should come from the repo, but that could get nasty | 19:23 |
| smoku | virtual dependency with many providing packages? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: nah.. as in, meego-release updating might cause a rebuild | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | but yes | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | ks should do it | 19:24 |
| smoku | well... you need to do a full rebuild either way, for a release, don't you? | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 19:25 |
| smoku | so bumping meego-release verision might not be that bad | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes we can get away with basing off old state + a few changed packages | 19:25 |
| smoku | from my years of experience as a Release Manager - not a good idea | 19:25 |
| smoku | it's a good idea, to do a full build for releases | 19:25 |
| smoku | to at least make sure it works ;-) | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, though obs makes sure it's consistent :P | 19:26 |
| smoku | not really | 19:26 |
| smoku | I already have stale packages in the repo with dangling packages that do not build anymore | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | that's possibly another issue :P | 19:26 |
| smoku | and the old ones built when deps were correct present in the repo | 19:27 |
| smoku | ergo - current "release" is unbuildable from scratch and depends on legacy state | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | true, we should at least verify we can rebuild sanely once in a while | 19:27 |
| smoku | i was scratching my head when all packages were "green" but the image build was failing | 19:28 |
| smoku | "obs rebuild --all" revealed the issue | 19:28 |
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