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| ol | Hi! Can anyone advise how to type Escape in terminal application of Nemo Mobile? I've started editing a file in vi and don't know how to leave insert mode. | 01:33 |
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| iekku | oooh, the mer bof is on fri! | 06:49 |
| iekku | i can join \o/ \o/ | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 06:54 |
| iekku | sat i can't be at devaamo summit, but on fri as long as it takes | 06:55 |
| timoph | nice | 07:02 |
| timoph | btw, do we have some preliminary agenda for it or just talk about whatever | 07:03 |
| timoph | at least I was thinking whatever although might be good for someone to give a short introduction to it if there are people not so much involved with mer | 07:04 |
| iekku | that's good idea | 07:08 |
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| iekku | :D | 07:37 |
| lbt | morning all | 07:53 |
| lbt | Sage: ping | 07:54 |
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| Sage | lbt: pong | 07:59 |
| lbt | hey, I had some issues with trying to build ppl | 07:59 |
| lbt | anything you could help with ? | 08:00 |
| lbt | it builds fine locally | 08:00 |
| lbt | but there's a circular depend on cloog | 08:00 |
| Sage | hmmp... | 08:03 |
| Sage | I remember trying that some timeago quickly but can't recall why I didn't push it to review | 08:03 |
| lbt | OK | 08:06 |
| lbt | we need a mechanism to explain this kind of issue | 08:06 |
| lbt | and how to handle co-dependent packages too | 08:06 |
| lbt | I'll ask Stskeeps when he's back | 08:06 |
| Sage | lbt: what kind of error you get? | 08:09 |
| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289 | 08:09 |
| lbt | "nothing provides libppl.so.7 needed by cloog-ppl, | 08:09 |
| lbt | nothing provides libppl_c.so.2 needed by cloog-ppl" | 08:10 |
| lbt | mm actually I had to remove the package from there - it stopped any others from building since they all needed cloog | 08:10 |
| Sage | ah, so there is .so name change | 08:11 |
| lbt | yes | 08:11 |
| Sage | lbt: remember the pcre hack I did when the so name changed? | 08:13 |
| lbt | no :) | 08:13 |
| Sage | you might need similar thing there :) | 08:13 |
| Sage | moment | 08:13 |
| lbt | which is why I need to write it down :P | 08:13 |
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| Sage | lbt: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/pcre.git;a=blobdiff;f=pcre.spec;h=f84b4d00f33a2a4a505e004f6f63244e6a596fd7;hp=afcb89e9fbddbd1f3897732f7aa8e3ed539fabf1;hb=191755cdf2de1dfe41788ddb88ef000e9cfdaca7;hpb=c6358af4c236d0c6c6c69c6b3de0e443e9f3e925 | 08:14 |
| Sage | lbt: that should not be writtend down really as it really is something nobody should do :D | 08:14 |
| lbt | won't it happen every time there's an .so number change in a toolchain dependency ? | 08:14 |
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| lbt | clever but painful :) | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | so number change in preinstall / requires packages is a nightmare | 08:16 |
| Sage | so what that does is pretty much preserves the binary that was previously compiled :P | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | ie, prjconf | 08:16 |
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| lbt | is this because we don't have the old version of the package to hand? | 08:18 |
| lbt | ie the solver doesn't say ... ooh, I could use version-1 in the build chroot | 08:18 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: happy for me to use that approach for ppl ? | 08:21 |
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| lbt | slaine: ipv6 eh :) | 08:47 |
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| Sage | lbt: yes, because old soname isn't available. | 08:52 |
| Sage | lbt: version-1 in the build root | 08:52 |
| lbt | Sage: it could be if the solver looked in a 'pool' of rpms for the old version | 08:53 |
| lbt | which seems like the 'right' solution? | 08:53 |
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| sonach | hi,where to set gateway under OpenSUSE11.4 permanently('route add default gw xxx' is lost after reboot)? | 09:13 |
| lbt | in /etc/sysconfig/network | 09:15 |
| lbt | routes file | 09:15 |
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| sonach | lbt: I don't see this file at all | 09:15 |
| lbt | echo "default $IP - -" > /etc/sysconfig/network/routes | 09:16 |
| sonach | lbt: ah, create a new file? | 09:16 |
| lbt | yeah, if it's not there then this is OK | 09:16 |
| sonach | lbt: cool, thank you | 09:16 |
| lbt | I think that's correct; I know debian better :) | 09:17 |
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| sonach | lbt: keep in mind to run 'rake db:migrate ...' after I execute 'zypper install obs-api mysql memcached apache2' when setting up obs_frontend. | 09:35 |
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| sonach | lbt: what does this mean? I am very puzzled about this, | 09:36 |
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| lbt | it's just part of the setup | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | (i think that sentence is not very clear in the docs) | 09:37 |
| lbt | you run migrate if you are upgrading | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't say where to do it, what env variables, etc | 09:37 |
| sonach | lbt: ah, you mean I have to do this only when I want to upgrade apache? | 09:37 |
| lbt | sonach where are you reading this? | 09:38 |
| lbt | sonach: no, when you upgrade the OBS fe code | 09:38 |
| sonach | lbt: the last line after 'zypper install obs-api mysql memcached apache2' | 09:38 |
| lbt | sonach: *grin* | 09:38 |
| lbt | what page? | 09:38 |
| sonach | lbt: the OpenSUSE11.4 JeOS is a little stupid and Now I can not see the information again... the screen is scrolled away... | 09:39 |
| lbt | :/ | 09:39 |
| lbt | OK - so it's shown as part of the install text - I see | 09:40 |
| sonach | lbt: Can I safely ignore this? | 09:40 |
| lbt | not really | 09:40 |
| lbt | you should be following an install guide | 09:40 |
| lbt | is this a fresh install ? | 09:41 |
| sonach | lbt: hmm, Maybe I can execute 'zypper install obs-api mysql memcached apache2' again? | 09:41 |
| lbt | well, no | 09:42 |
| lbt | that will just say "nothing to do" | 09:43 |
| sonach | lbt: hehe, yes, | 09:43 |
| lbt | is this a fresh install | 09:43 |
| sonach | lbt: yes, | 09:43 |
| lbt | I assume you've done any config you need? | 09:43 |
| lbt | https://gist.github.com/2894746 | 09:44 |
| sonach | lbt: no, I have not done https://gist.github.com/2894746... | 09:44 |
| lbt | that's what you need for a fresh install | 09:45 |
| lbt | I made a script: | 09:45 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/obs-setup/blob/master/setup-obs.sh | 09:45 |
| lbt | if you read this part: https://github.com/lbt/obs-setup/blob/master/setup-obs.sh#L287 | 09:45 |
| lbt | it tells you what you need to do | 09:46 |
| lbt | some bits you can skip - eg if you don't want https | 09:46 |
| lbt | https://github.com/openSUSE/open-build-service/blob/master/dist/README.SETUP | 09:47 |
| lbt | sonach: ^^ is the official documentation | 09:47 |
| sonach | lbt: ah, I see this, at the very front of 'http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup', | 09:47 |
| lbt | yes | 09:47 |
| sonach | lbt: OK, thank you for the information:) | 09:49 |
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| lbt | Sage: thanks - I was extremely confused by all the %{_lib} stuff you were doing in there ... moving stuff around, leading / chars etc .... I realised that pcre is a bit special | 11:06 |
| lbt | I only needed one post-install line: cp -p %{_libdir}/libppl*.so.* $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_libdir} | 11:06 |
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| Sage | lbt: post-install????? | 11:15 |
| Sage | ah, inside %install not %post :) | 11:15 |
| Sage | lbt: the %{_lib} macro is a bit odd btw, it doesn't have the leading / where %{_libdir} and others have it :) | 11:16 |
| Sage | lbt: I've also moved some of our libs to /usr/lib while doing package updates | 11:16 |
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| lbt | yeah install post sry | 11:24 |
| lbt | I spotted the %{_lib} missing a / in the macros too - I was thinking "is that trying to install from the real / ?" | 11:26 |
| lbt | and then spookily - cloog failed on i486 and armv7el ... but worked just fine on a rebuild... | 11:27 |
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| lbt | also wondering if sb2 is getting this right by magic | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, i'm at laptop for a bit.. | 13:07 |
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| lbt | wb Stskeeps | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | not home in .pl yet though | 13:31 |
| lbt | "home is where the packets land" | 13:32 |
| dm8tbr | ::1 sweet ::1? | 13:32 |
| lbt | hehe | 13:33 |
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| lbt | grumble ... we don't have mipsel on cobs | 13:41 |
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| jeremiah_ | lbt: Do you still work for Teleca? | 13:49 |
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| lbt | no | 13:49 |
| jeremiah_ | ah okay. :) | 13:49 |
| jeremiah_ | Good to know. | 13:50 |
| lbt | well, not from my point of view *g* | 13:50 |
| azadpaki | Hi all | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | hi azadpaki | 13:50 |
| azadpaki | stskeeps nice to meet u here | 13:51 |
| azadpaki | your contribution is remarkable | 13:51 |
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| Stskeeps | oh thank you | 13:52 |
| azadpaki | Well Stskeeps when new Nemo Mobile image will launch | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | we try to do it on a regular basis | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | probably when next mer core is out | 13:53 |
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| azadpaki | today I update my nemo through package manager | 13:53 |
| azadpaki | but voice screen not shown | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to join #nemomobile too | 13:54 |
| azadpaki | ok | 13:54 |
| azadpaki | whats going on these days | 13:55 |
| azadpaki | u r a busy man | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | well, i mostly work on mer core | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | but more and more contributors are coming to nemo | 13:55 |
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| azadpaki | thats good, One day Nemo will hit the peak soon | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but there's always a upper limit of what a open source project can provide | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of codecs and other things | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | or typical valude add things like skype etc | 13:56 |
| azadpaki | really | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - some things cost in life | 13:56 |
| azadpaki | but still you have done much | 13:57 |
| azadpaki | I appriciate | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but i'm just one person - others contribute too :) | 13:57 |
| azadpaki | all of them are respectable | 13:57 |
| azadpaki | good wishes for him also | 13:58 |
| azadpaki | in near future what chances of strong improvement in Nemo | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | core will improve greatly for sure | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | but ui will require contributors | 13:59 |
| azadpaki | my Bad I am simply end user | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | sure, your questions are good enough :) | 13:59 |
| azadpaki | but when every you release Nemo image I test it on N900 | 13:59 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: we have packages with unexplained patches... this is bad | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: welcome to fedora based packages | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: like which? | 14:00 |
| ol | Guys, I have a question about registration on merproject.org. I want to file a bug report and start contributing, but I need to register first. However, merproject.org has a minimum limit of 3 characters in username, so I can't register with my nickname. What's the reason for this limitation? There's no such limitation on meego.com, so I've registered there with my nickname. | 14:00 |
| lbt | now : http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/pkgconfig.git;a=tree | 14:00 |
| lbt | but the ones I just did too | 14:00 |
| lbt | oi to be honest ... the effort it would take me to find and fix it | 14:01 |
| lbt | and then ensure that all our other systems work with short usernames | 14:01 |
| lbt | probably ... but then you'd need support if it broke... | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | (oh ell, for good measure) | 14:02 |
| lbt | we're just using (mainly) plain upstream packages | 14:02 |
| ol | What do you use for that? | 14:02 |
| lbt | *grin* ... I get called Ibt sometimes | 14:03 |
| lbt | ol: plain bugzilla with some ldap stuff | 14:03 |
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| lbt | ol: if you can point me at the code that implements the constraint... | 14:03 |
| ol | I mean, what kind of software can have such strange limitation on _minimum_ username length? I understand if there's a limitation on maximum length which can be imposed by fixed length database field... | 14:04 |
| azadpaki | stskeep what about Plazma Active for N900? | 14:04 |
| ol | lbt: OK, point me to the software, and I point you to the constant. :-) | 14:04 |
| lbt | ol: I don't argue | 14:04 |
| lbt | bugzilla3 | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | ol, with bugzilla it is probably some silly argument about search results when looking up users.. | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 14:05 |
| ol | What software do you use on the main merproject.org site? | 14:05 |
| lbt | mediawiki ? | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.merproject.org or bugs.merproject.org ? | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | ol, bugzilla is actually our 'central' db | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | so the issue must be there | 14:06 |
| ol | https://bugs.merproject.org/createaccount.cgi | 14:06 |
| ol | What version do you use? | 14:06 |
| lbt | hmm let me look | 14:06 |
| * Stskeeps googloes | 14:08 | |
| lbt | if ($uid !~ /^[a-zA-Z0-9_]{3,12}$/) { | 14:09 |
| ol | OK, I see version 3.6.2.0-4.4. | 14:09 |
| ol | lbt: I can't believe. Is it hardcoded??? :-O | 14:09 |
| lbt | rofl | 14:10 |
| lbt | you've never met bugzilla then | 14:10 |
| lbt | although ... I can't complain ... I may have written that bit :) | 14:10 |
| lbt | try now | 14:11 |
| ol | lbt: Only as user, actually: bugs.kde.org and bugzilla.redhat.com. But that bugzillas was using my email as username. | 14:11 |
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| lbt | yeah, I may have added mandatory usernames to make it possible to front ldap | 14:11 |
| ol | "A confirmation email has been sent containing a link to continue creating an account. The link will expire if an account is not created within 3 days." | 14:11 |
| lbt | cool | 14:11 |
| lbt | OK ... so it wasn't a big deal then :) | 14:12 |
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| ol | Now I need to wait a while for greylisting on my SMTP server to let the message in... | 14:13 |
| ol | I hope, there won't be problems with a plus in email address. | 14:14 |
| lbt | no, that's fine | 14:15 |
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| ol | lbt: Do merproject.org and nemomobile.org use the same user database? | 14:17 |
| lbt | yes | 14:17 |
| ol | Good. | 14:17 |
| lbt | the wiki doesn't .... *grumble* | 14:17 |
| lbt | nor does gerrit ... *grumble again* | 14:18 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: "don't call out to glib-config, since our glib-config is a pkg-config wrapper" http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/pkgconfig.git;a=blob;f=pkg-config-0.21-compat-loop.patch;h=c8d3feab0046ad9a9dd353a21b361f3863627da4;hb=HEAD | 14:20 |
| lbt | that patch removes handling of gtk+ and glib by their *-config | 14:21 |
| lbt | do you want to keep that behaviour | 14:21 |
| lbt | nm - they're dropped anyway | 14:23 |
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| ol | lbt: OK, I've received confirmation link by email and clicked it. Now I't registered. Thank you very much for letting me in! | 14:34 |
| lbt | ol: no problem | 14:34 |
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| ol | I had an intention to file a bug, but it appeared that this bug is already filed. So I've just added a comment describing how to fix it: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214 | 14:57 |
| lbt | ol: ok - useful - ta | 15:00 |
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| ol | I've found that there are pretty old versions of many packages used. Like there's kernel 2.6.37, whereas 3.4.0 has been released already. Is there something preventing to upgrade to newer version? | 15:02 |
| lbt | ol: so this is the mer/nemo split thing | 15:03 |
| lbt | mer doesn't provide a kernel | 15:03 |
| lbt | Nemo is constrained because some of the nokia binary-only drivers only run against certain kernels | 15:04 |
| ol | The same thing for connman which is frozen at 0.78.2. | 15:04 |
| lbt | yeah, Mer has 1.0 | 15:04 |
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| lbt | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/connman.git;a=tree | 15:05 |
| ol | So why does Nemo use outdated version? | 15:05 |
| lbt | ask Sage (technically you'd ask in #nemomobile ) | 15:06 |
| lbt | but he's here too | 15:06 |
| ol | I have to understand the relation between Nemo and Mer. I was thinking that Nemo is just Mer + some user interface on top of it. | 15:07 |
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| lbt | it aims to be that, yes | 15:09 |
| lbt | but like any real-world hardware product, things get in the way | 15:10 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: another circularity with pkgconfig :) | 15:25 |
| lbt | can we handle this by doing a manual review and accept - then when the circular build starts, modify the BR?? | 15:27 |
| lbt | the good news is that the next pkgconfig version has a bundled glib snapshot .... rly | 15:27 |
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| Sage | ol: connman is same version as in Mer and Mer is currently updating to 1.0 or even 1.1 if my last submit is accepted. | 19:46 |
| Sage | ol: with kernel I guess you mean N900 kernel that is old because some of the drivers haven't been accepted to upstream and nobody has rebased those on top of the latest branch. Feel free to help if you have kernel experience :) | 19:47 |
| Sage | ol: package updates are also welcome. There is only so limited amount of us and stil a bit over 300 packages in Mer and it is hard to keep up with the releases. We are constantly updating those as we go. See e.g. http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00546.html | 19:49 |
| Sage | e.g. that release contains already 16 package updates. | 19:51 |
| Sage | which is about 5% of the packages and in ~2 weeks so guide nice IMO :) | 19:51 |
| Sage | *quite | 19:54 |
| ol | Sage: Thank you for clarification. One more question. I didn't find any Telepathy packages in Nemo. Does it mean that instant messaging functionality is not included? | 19:55 |
| Sage | ol: telepathy was added just a moment ago. You should be able to find them now with zypper search. | 19:55 |
| Sage | those are also needing update and I have update packaged but that broke peregrine so needs debugging before pushing forward | 19:56 |
| ol | Will it be installed by default in the next release? | 19:56 |
| Sage | yes, peregrine is part of the image so it drags some telepathy stuff in. | 19:59 |
| ol | Sage: Will phone calling and texting be using Telepathy? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | right now it uses ofono directly | 20:06 |
| Sage | yes, ofono directly | 20:09 |
| ol | It would be logical to have all instant messenging (including texting) and voice/audio calling (including phone calling) to be implemented uniform way with Telepathy. That's how it's done in Maemo on N900, and I think this is the right way. Conceptually there should be no difference between phone call and a call through any other instant messenger. | 20:10 |
| ol | Is Telepathy phone backend from Maemo available as open source? | 20:12 |
| Sage | no idea. However currently telepathy isn't part of Mer so this discussion should be at #nemomobile instead. | 20:14 |
| Sage | also the maemo phone backend most probably doesn't work with ofono and probably would need complete rewrite anyway | 20:15 |
| ol | Is there a reason why Telepathy is not a part of Mer? | 20:17 |
| ol | It's part of Meego, so why was it excluded in Mer? | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | ol, check out wiki.merprojet.org/wiki/Architecture as a start | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | project that is | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | just to serve as foundation for the talk | 20:26 |
| ol | I don't see any mention of instant messaging on this page. I found just this: "Mer utilizes the oFono telephony stack" | 20:29 |
| Bostik | instant messaging is basically an application problem (and scope) | 20:33 |
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| Stskeeps | ol, basically we try to limit how much we have to maintain and qa | 20:36 |
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