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| iekku | morning | 04:10 |
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| sonach | iekku: hi, Have you ever installed OpenSUSE JeOS with virt-manager? | 04:20 |
| iekku | sonach, no | 04:20 |
| sonach | ok,thank you:) | 04:20 |
| iekku | helped a lot, didn't i ;) | 04:21 |
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| dm8tbr | moaning | 05:02 |
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| Bostik | while on that subject, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jefframone/2134689602/ | 05:11 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:42 |
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| jukkaeklund | hi | 05:48 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I use linkpac to compile qtwebkit, got the error /usr/bin/ld: BFD (GNU Binutils) 2.22 assertion fail elf32-arm.c:12049, any ideas about that? | 05:54 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: normal, it is just a warning i think | 05:54 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: happens on ubuntu too afaik | 05:54 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I compile on opensuse 11.04, the details http://pastie.org/4042560 | 05:56 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I use linkpac to get one qtwebkit package, but I found on our local OBS another qtwebkit package on mer-release-tools/release-tools/packages-git/mer-core/, is this normal? there two different qtwebkit packages on our local OBS? | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: same thing, maybe a lower version | 06:04 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: another package also faild with the error message "collect2: ld terminated with signal 9 [Killed]", I google it, someone says this may be cause by lower memory when compile qtwebkit. | 06:06 |
| Bostik | ZiQiangHuan: you need to specify "-Wl,--no-keep-memory" as linking flag | 06:10 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Bostik: yeah, no-keep-memory, ok, I will have a try | 06:12 |
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| Sage | Do we have something like cron in Mer atm.? | 07:23 |
| Sage | or does something provide similar functionality? | 07:23 |
| * Sage is pondering what would be the best way to notify user about available updates. | 07:28 | |
| dm8tbr | mh, wasn't there this timed thing? or was that harmattan only? | 07:29 |
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| Sage | there is that in nemo but I don't want to use that if there is something that is provided in the core level. | 07:30 |
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| Sage | lbt: was there copypac already that preserved the release count numbers? | 07:43 |
| lbt | I'm not sure - I think that's one of the reasons I never liked it - they sometimes seemed to get lost | 07:44 |
| lbt | I just got bit by that copying from Tools:Testing to :Tools | 07:45 |
| lbt | Sage: how would you check for updates then? | 07:49 |
| lbt | asuming you could cron it | 07:49 |
| lbt | iekku: can you change your email at the meego,com bugzilla ? | 07:50 |
| iekku | lbt, i think i can, but... | 07:51 |
| Sage | lbt: PackageKit has cron extension. | 07:51 |
| lbt | iekku: I'm getting all the bounces :) | 07:51 |
| iekku | lbt, to be honest, if i change it i get huge amount of mails | 07:51 |
| Sage | iekku: set the setting don't send me mail? :) | 07:51 |
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| iekku | done :) | 07:53 |
| iekku | and done :) | 07:53 |
| lbt | ta | 07:53 |
| lbt | any idea who's an admin there? | 07:53 |
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| lbt | Sage: so what mechanism are you considering for an actual check ? | 07:56 |
| Sage | lbt: cronjob that would activate packagekit e.g. daily which would then check if there are updates available | 08:00 |
| Sage | or did you mean something else? | 08:00 |
| lbt | I meant "define update" | 08:00 |
| lbt | new release? | 08:00 |
| lbt | or just new package? | 08:00 |
| Sage | ah, for now just new packages in repo | 08:00 |
| lbt | new package implies you're changing packages in a (fixed?) release | 08:00 |
| Sage | lbt: well, I'm not thinking about the release now. Mainly just thinking about the generic mechanism for updating device. | 08:01 |
| lbt | *nod* ... me too | 08:01 |
| Sage | ie. what are we missing from the chain if you exclude the release updates, i.e., repository changes. | 08:02 |
| lbt | I think an 'updates' repo | 08:02 |
| lbt | ie release repo is very static | 08:02 |
| lbt | but there's a dynamic update repo with new versions | 08:02 |
| Sage | Well, nemo has release like every two weeks. So I'm not thinking about updates repo atm. :) | 08:03 |
| lbt | well, yeah, but... we should | 08:03 |
| Sage | it would be anyway in that kind of case just release update | 08:03 |
| lbt | I was doing the changelog last night for the Core snapshot | 08:04 |
| lbt | and I wrote it to do a delta between any 2 snaps | 08:04 |
| lbt | which of course is what should go in an update repo | 08:04 |
| Sage | currently the delta between any 2 snaps we have is about 50-80% of the packages | 08:07 |
| Sage | including the rebuilds because of deps | 08:07 |
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| lbt | yeah - that's a problem when Mer is changing | 08:08 |
| timoph | o/ | 08:08 |
| Sage | thus, I'm not really thinking of update repos but release repos also because of CI that is more appropriate IMO | 08:08 |
| timoph | someone asked an interesting question: "how many lines of code does a Mer release contain?" Not that important but would be fun trivia | 08:09 |
| lbt | Sage: OK - so would you use 'latest' symlink then? | 08:10 |
| lbt | timoph: sadly we store tar.gz blobs so delta-loc is hard to find | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: delta rpms might help a lot | 08:12 |
| lbt | and OBS 2.3 can do delta-rpms | 08:12 |
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| * timoph ponders about writing a small script for loc counting | 08:14 | |
| Sage | lbt: as said I'm not concentrating to the release now so yes for now. | 08:15 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: : tools/changelog.py obs-projects/Core 0.20120517.1 0.20120614.0.0.1 | 08:15 |
| lbt | Sage: OK - just checking. I need to solve the same basic problem for the SDK | 08:16 |
| lbt | it's hard because we just _dropped_ the 'latest' symlink approach | 08:16 |
| Sage | lbt: but in long run there is need for updating from static release to another. But for that we need mechanism also for nemo to make static releases. | 08:16 |
| Sage | lbt: ... dropped means? | 08:16 |
| lbt | well, I made the Mer releasescripts generic ... remember? | 08:17 |
| lbt | well if my SDK email ever hits the ml ... :/ | 08:17 |
| lbt | grr pastie is dead | 08:18 |
| lbt | https://gist.github.com/2887371 | 08:18 |
| lbt | The SDK image is now pinned to specific static repositories. Updates are carried out using "sdk-upgrade" which allows the repos to be updated to latest, next or set to point to any Mer Core/SDK release pairing. | 08:18 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Upgrading_the_SDK | 08:19 |
| * lbt sets a pounce on smoku | 08:19 | |
| Sage | lbt: how do you define Mer Core/SDK release pair? | 08:20 |
| Sage | SDK release name include mer core release id? | 08:20 |
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| lbt | the image does | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, no laptop access | 08:21 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: np | 08:21 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: that just uses git tags to make changelogs now | 08:21 |
| Sage | lbt, Stskeeps: The connman 1.1 update should be accepted to next core snapshot. the 1.0 didn't work so well on N950 at least. 1.1 seems much better. | 08:22 |
| lbt | OK - is it in review | 08:22 |
| Sage | yes it is just pushed a fix for it moment ago | 08:22 |
| lbt | Sage: the core/sdk pairing issue is part of the problem for me | 08:22 |
| lbt | it's hard to have that information in a package | 08:23 |
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| lbt | so the main way a given installation knows what version it's on is to look in the repos.d/ area | 08:23 |
| Sage | lbt: I'm pondering if we could have package called mer-release which vendors could depend on and define their vendors version baesd on that and depend on the specific version of that package or something? | 08:23 |
| lbt | something outside the normal review cycle? | 08:24 |
| lbt | generated by the release scripts | 08:24 |
| Sage | probably yes. | 08:25 |
| Sage | So when ever vendor would compile their release package it would automatically get dependency from the specific mer version | 08:25 |
| Sage | not sure if this is a good idea, just got it a moment ago :P | 08:25 |
| lbt | I struggled with this for SDK | 08:25 |
| jbos_ | moi | 08:26 |
| lbt | I do 'Tools' releases | 08:26 |
| lbt | so we have Tools 5.1.0 | 08:26 |
| jbos_ | lbt, so i think my kvm issue is solved. | 08:26 |
| jbos_ | :) | 08:26 |
| lbt | and mix that with a Mer Core release and you get an SDK release | 08:26 |
| lbt | jbos_: cool | 08:26 |
| Sage | lbt: like <MER>.<Tools> ? | 08:26 |
| lbt | so SDK is, really, Tools+Core | 08:26 |
| jbos_ | so your link gave the right idea, :) | 08:26 |
| lbt | jbos_: nice | 08:27 |
| lbt | Sage: yes | 08:27 |
| jbos_ | but i simply increased max processes in /ect/libvirt/qemu.conf | 08:27 |
| jbos_ | mh :) so in obs/spec files, is there a way to get the "Project-Name" in a variable | 08:27 |
| lbt | jbos_: blog about it somewhere ... maybe google+ ... to maximise chance of finding solution | 08:28 |
| lbt | jbos_: why? | 08:28 |
| Sage | jbos_: well you can modify prjconf to get it included ;) | 08:28 |
| lbt | sounds like a bad idea though | 08:28 |
| jbos_ | like ProjectName:Package ..> would like to do something like %{Projectname} | 08:28 |
| jbos_ | ye my little birdy project does not yet have a good name | 08:29 |
| jbos_ | :) | 08:29 |
| Sage | Release: <CI_CNT>.<B_CNT>.Nemo.MW.MTF | 08:29 |
| jbos_ | and I want to avoid changing all later :D | 08:29 |
| lbt | what for? there may be some better approach | 08:29 |
| Sage | I have that in some of nemo projects to see where the package is from easily | 08:29 |
| lbt | Sage: that's useful | 08:29 |
| Sage | lbt: would like to see it more automatic though | 08:30 |
| lbt | I could make <PRJ> | 08:30 |
| lbt | I made <REL_SPEC> | 08:30 |
| * Sage would like that very much. | 08:30 | |
| jbos_ | like to configure the install folder until I find a not Trademarked name for my project :) | 08:31 |
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| Sage | ok, time for lunch. | 08:31 |
| jbos_ | :) | 08:31 |
| lbt | > coffee | 08:33 |
| lbt | or should that be : coffee | lbt | 08:33 |
| jbos_ | I#m with lbt, coffee for me | 08:33 |
| jbos_ | sage, i run my stuff in a cut down nemo image on n950, I wonder about bootup screen | 08:35 |
| jbos_ | when jump from plymouth to x i see some glitches | 08:35 |
| jbos_ | ever tried to get rid of them | 08:35 |
| jbos_ | ? | 08:36 |
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| jbos_ | lbt, i wrote it in the ubuntu forum, already in google :D | 08:39 |
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| Sage | jbos_: never tried to do anything for those. However I think we should look into merging the whole plymount at some point probably | 09:08 |
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| jbos_ | ye not like very important, but it makes a first impression i thing | 09:18 |
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| slaine | kernel compiling, my favourite thing….snore | 09:19 |
| jbos_ | anyway, since i have no qt or such,... I tried rotating by X which works fine, however :) any system way of rotating touch to? | 09:20 |
| lbt | fyi ... http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Creating_an_SB2_Target_for_any_.28none-x86.29_Mer_OBS_package | 09:28 |
| lbt | I'd be grateful for trials and feedback | 09:28 |
| lbt | next step is 'osc sb2_target' or similar | 09:29 |
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| jeremiah_ | lbt: any 'none-x86'? | 09:58 |
| jeremiah_ | Don't you mean 'non-x86' | 09:58 |
| jeremiah_ | Also, what do you mean more precisely by 'local build' -- where is the chroot placed? On the host machine or in a VM on the OBS server. | 09:59 |
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| jeremiah_ | Then, it is confusing that you have 'armv8el' and then later 'armv7hl'. Perhaps you might explain why there appears to be an architecture mismatch? | 10:02 |
| lbt | jeremiah_: yes, host machine, one's a scheduler and the other an architecture (http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_architecture_naming) | 10:07 |
| lbt | this whole thing is very much a WIP and I'm looking to simplify it a lot - the grep is easier than saying "now look for the repos that match your architecture and pick them" | 10:09 |
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| E-P | iekku: could you host the qa meeting today? | 10:23 |
| E-P | i forgot to remind you earlier :) | 10:23 |
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| E-P | just having the current status topic | 10:24 |
| lbt | jeremiah_: updated wiki after feedback | 10:24 |
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| iekku | E-P, yes I can | 10:25 |
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| lbt | hey phaeron | 10:30 |
| lbt | about to upgrade spectacle on boss | 10:31 |
| phaeron | lbt: hey | 10:31 |
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| lbt | Sage: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Spectacle | 10:36 |
| lbt | ah https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/spectacle | 10:37 |
| Sage | yes that is the upstream. I asked permission to continue there :) | 10:39 |
| jbos_ | a i see, for roation of mtev driver i will need to patch the driver | 10:39 |
| jbos_ | doesn't support that | 10:39 |
| Sage | lbt: actually the Mer git repository is the same as upstream | 10:39 |
| lbt | yep, noticed the tag upstream and just fixed wiki | 10:40 |
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| iekku | hmm, seems that we don't have qa-meeting today | 12:01 |
| iekku | no one there and i couldn't find invitation | 12:01 |
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| merftw | greetings comrades | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | greetings | 14:24 |
| merftw | so | 14:25 |
| merftw | where can I buy a phone with mer? | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | you probably can't, yet | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | just like you don't see phones with ubuntu core out of box | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | you'd have to find a vendor that uses mer to make a product | 14:26 |
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| merftw | so...... | 14:27 |
| merftw | where can I find such a vendor? | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | well, the interesting part about mer is that vendors can use us without us even knowing | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | mer is a core, combine with a ui and a hardware adaptation and you have a product | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | so vendors take the core and add on top | 14:28 |
| merftw | that isn't very interesting | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't for end-users, no | 14:28 |
| merftw | it would be interesting if they say, hey mer people, we are going to use | 14:28 |
| merftw | and then someone added the device to a list | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | but for vendors it is, as they save a lot on not having to employ a lot of people for maintaining linux base software | 14:28 |
| merftw | that would be interesting | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | and maintaining security updates, etc | 14:29 |
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| merftw | can we expect such a device in this century? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps - i don't know off hand, but i do know other categories that are in works | 14:30 |
| merftw | or will I have to reincarnate first? | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | mer is a mobile core, not strictly phone only, so | 14:30 |
| merftw | what can I do with a mobile core? | 14:30 |
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| Stskeeps | all sorts of stuff -IVI, TV, tablets, healthcare devices, etc | 14:34 |
| merftw | that's nice | 14:34 |
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| merftw | I want to develop a device using mer that tells me how drunk I am | 14:35 |
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| Stskeeps | nah, not drunk :P | 14:43 |
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| merftw | mehr | 14:54 |
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| merftw | what can I do to help mer Stskeeps ? | 14:57 |
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| jbos_ | Stskeeps, I may have a patch for xorg-x11-drv-mtev to enable rotation | 15:17 |
| jbos_ | I mean like rotation of touch input when not running qt and rotating native x monitor | 15:19 |
| jbos_ | still building, but well, how is maining mtev driver lately? repo seems pretty much dead | 15:19 |
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| jbos_ | lbt stskeeps, is there a arm9 build of mer / did y ever tried to build against arm9 in obs? | 16:06 |
| lbt | no | 16:06 |
| jbos_ | btw, after changing this max processes, I do have a really noticeable speedup in obs / kvm | 16:07 |
| jbos_ | esp deploying a worker | 16:07 |
| lbt | *g* ... anything is faster than crashed :) | 16:07 |
| jbos_ | m ye but it ran for hours before crash | 16:08 |
| jbos_ | however its now much faster | 16:09 |
| lbt | just kidding | 16:10 |
| lbt | seems odd though | 16:10 |
| lbt | it's not like RAM where you'd expect extra to make a difference | 16:10 |
| jbos_ | yep. I mean when i started with obs, deployment took like what 1 hour or so | 16:11 |
| jbos_ | after going to raw, enabling cache | 16:11 |
| jbos_ | fixing cache to get really used | 16:12 |
| lbt | ah, I understand | 16:12 |
| jbos_ | and now setting the max processes to 125k | 16:12 |
| lbt | I thought you just meant the ulimit thing | 16:12 |
| jbos_ | its like 2-3 minutes | 16:12 |
| lbt | that's about right | 16:13 |
| jbos_ | before max processes it was like 15 minutes | 16:13 |
| jbos_ | i mean, all "virtual network" was damn slow | 16:13 |
| jbos_ | before this max processes fix, I also notices fuser take 9999% cpu in top | 16:14 |
| jbos_ | this is gone now | 16:15 |
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| jbos_ | another thing | 16:21 |
| jbos_ | in those configuration.yaml files to generate ks files | 16:21 |
| jbos_ | there are GROUPS | 16:21 |
| jbos_ | where/how are those defined, and where is mic looking for them | 16:22 |
| jbos_ | i just dont get it | 16:22 |
| jbos_ | a got it | 16:28 |
| jbos_ | :) | 16:28 |
| jbos_ | mh where is libmeego-common.so coming from? | 16:42 |
| leinir | libmeego-common.so... isn't that the "useful leftovers from mtf" thing? | 16:44 |
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| jbos_ | could be, have some dependecy from pulse audio to that | 16:49 |
| jbos_ | and wondered where it comes from... | 16:49 |
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| jbos_ | ok from pulseaudio-n900 | 16:53 |
| merftw | ok | 17:05 |
| notmart | anybody knows how systemd gets started? | 17:20 |
| notmart | i have to try a different init system (long story :/) | 17:20 |
| lbt | init=systemd | 17:21 |
| notmart | where? | 17:21 |
| lbt | kernel command line | 17:21 |
| lbt | systemd provides init | 17:21 |
| lbt | so /sbin/init -> ../lib/systemd/systemd | 17:22 |
| notmart | so just having another /sbin/init should do? | 17:22 |
| lbt | yep | 17:23 |
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| notmart | oki | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | jbos_: armv4 / armv5 ? | 18:52 |
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| * lbt would have thought armv9 would have both of them ... :) | 19:03 | |
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| jbos_ | m im still confused on naming of arm (in general) and in obs even more | 19:23 |
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| jbos_ | :) | 19:23 |
| jbos_ | wait, need to vheck wiki | 19:23 |
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| lbt | jbos_: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/ARM http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_architecture_naming | 19:25 |
| jbos_ | jeyp so its an ARM920T which is ARMv4 | 19:26 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: I've upgraded and built ppl but there's a circular dependency on cloog_ppl ... do I send it to review? | 20:08 |
| lbt | "nothing provides libppl.so.7 needed by cloog-ppl, nothing provides libppl_c.so.2 needed by cloog-ppl" | 20:08 |
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| jbos_ | Stskeeps, i have a patch for mtev to allow X.org input configuration to rotate input coordinates | 21:17 |
| jbos_ | i.e. when y rotate the screen / monitor | 21:17 |
| jbos_ | what should I do with that :) | 21:17 |
| lbt | ideally send it upstream | 21:24 |
| jbos_ | seem more or less dead, thats why i ask | 21:25 |
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| lbt | where is upstream ? | 21:26 |
| jbos_ | https://gitorious.org/xorg/xf86-input-mtev | 21:26 |
| lbt | quiet != dead though | 21:27 |
| jbos_ | have those patches pushed in a personal clone, :) mh ye i try a merge request | 21:28 |
| jbos_ | lets see | 21:28 |
| jbos_ | :) | 21:28 |
| lbt | nb don't do a patch submit / pull request via gitorious ... the notification sucks | 21:28 |
| jbos_ | :D | 21:28 |
| lbt | if you do then at the very least follow up with an email to the ml or developer | 21:28 |
| jbos_ | i don't like gitorious... its so broken... | 21:29 |
| jbos_ | (like for my user the dashboard does not work at all...) | 21:29 |
| jbos_ | well yes | 21:29 |
| lbt | .... mika.kuoppala@nokia.com | 21:29 |
| lbt | so yeah, it could be dead :) | 21:29 |
| jbos_ | need to do a little clean up... indeed I bet he is not on that mail anymore | 21:29 |
| jbos_ | :D | 21:29 |
| jbos_ | but y never know | 21:30 |
| lbt | https://gitorious.org/+maemo-graphics-adaptation | 21:30 |
| lbt | also #xorg | 21:31 |
| jbos_ | yep, | 21:31 |
| lbt | ah you're there... kinda | 21:32 |
| lbt | plus, we can always carry it as a mer patch of course - but that's not ideal | 21:33 |
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