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| sonach | Stskeeps: when making rpm, I encounters the following error: http://pastie.org/3959101 | 03:40 |
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| sonach | and the spec file is: http://pastie.org/3959102 | 03:41 |
| sonach | please do me a favor, thank you:) | 03:41 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: in top of .spec file, do %global debug_package %{nil} | 04:43 |
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| E-P | Morning | 05:12 |
| Stskeeps | morn E-P :) | 05:13 |
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| timoph | morn | 05:23 |
| E-P | o/ | 05:23 |
| * timoph dives into lwn's weekly edition | 05:30 | |
| Stskeeps | i should probably feel bad that my subscription has expired, but my login somehow continues to work.. | 05:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:31 |
| timoph | :) | 05:31 |
| Sage | E-P: I'm probably going to miss the QA meeting as well :/ | 05:32 |
| timoph | I know I'm going to miss it (meeting with the customer at the same time) | 05:33 |
| iekku | morning | 05:33 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I need to change /etc/securetty. Can I simply add the modified securetty to rpm and expect my securetty will replace the origin? | 05:34 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: just add it in the .ks in %post section | 05:35 |
| Stskeeps | that's better | 05:35 |
| sonach | ah, ok, | 05:35 |
| Stskeeps | ideally you should just log in as a user and su to root, but :) | 05:38 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: do we have filed a bug about that? That really should have .d folder whre different adaptations could add files easily... | 05:39 |
| Sage | or at least is the file %config(noreplace)? | 05:39 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: don't think so | 05:40 |
| Stskeeps | but makes sense | 05:40 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: success after adding "%post -p /sbin/ldconfig" and "%postun -p /sbin/ldconfig". What is the function of "-p /sbin/ldconfig" here? | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: it makes sure that the libraries are properly updated in ld.so.cache | 05:45 |
| sonach | Sage: It seems that I can use '%config' to replace the default file with my modified one? | 05:46 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: ok, | 05:46 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: and we have at least three CVE's in our pam package | 05:47 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: excellent | 05:47 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: what is the 'xxx-debuginfo-xxx.rpm' used for? | 05:48 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: debug information, because debug symbols can be many many mb or sometimes gigabytes, we seperate it out from the binaries and store them in seperate packages, called debuginfo | 05:49 |
| Stskeeps | mer also does debugsource which is the source code matching the debug symbols, for being able to debug if you install both debuginfo and debugsource | 05:49 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: 5 to be exact :) | 05:49 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: can you list them? | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | probably doesn't matter always much on this kind of setup, but.. | 05:50 |
| Sage | CVE-2010-3430, CVE-2010-3431, CVE-2010-3853, CVE-2011-3148, CVE-2011-3149 | 05:50 |
| Sage | our version 1.1.1 | 05:51 |
| Sage | latest 1.1.5 | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. some of those might affect us | 05:54 |
| Stskeeps | so i think we can mark that a high prio bug | 05:57 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUdCvi3b5PM | 06:01 |
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| Stskeeps | nice | 06:02 |
| w00t | any apparent jerkiness in the image switch is down to the awkwardness of using a trackpad one handed | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | especially the time :) | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | i'd use that on a tablet | 06:03 |
| w00t | sroedal: ^, when can I hook this into qtwayland? ;) | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | is it qt4 or qt5? | 06:03 |
| w00t | qt 5 | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:03 |
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| E-P | looks really nice | 06:03 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: bug 352 | 06:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: k | 06:05 |
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| Sage | E-P: As I'm going to miss the QA meeting most probably I'll comment couple of things here that are in the agenda. | 06:10 |
| E-P | Sage: that would be very useful | 06:11 |
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| iekku | E-P, there's possibility that i miss that too | 06:11 |
| Stskeeps | morn phaeron :) | 06:11 |
| iekku | limited network connection... and day at office | 06:11 |
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| E-P | iekku: ok | 06:11 |
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| E-P | I will chat with myself in the meeting :) | 06:12 |
| Sage | 2) I would separate the QA tools to Mer:QA:Tools or similar (Mer:Tools:QA is not good as that mixes with Mer:Tools:Testing on the same level). Also I would probably try to drop the native host support and would give that mainly via Mer SDK as then it would mean that we don't need to worry about distributions having same package with different patches installed and that we would break the host distro functionality. | 06:12 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: morning | 06:13 |
| Sage | qttas and tddriver (for host and device) are at https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools%3ATesting and ready to go. Tested with N900 and Mer SDK. I couldn't get the visualizer working on my opensuse but it should work on Mer SDK running on ubuntu/debian. | 06:14 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: do you have any opinions of if you'd like to start out testing releases (pre releases, content preview, etc), or individual changes first? | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | testing releases is definately easier to get started with, as we're limping a bit on individual changes ability | 06:15 |
| Sage | E-P: that is most of my things atm. | 06:15 |
| Sage | What is the proper component for SDK bugs in mer bugzilla? | 06:15 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: that's 439 lines of QML total, btw, no C++ | 06:16 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: should have that in the youtube description | 06:16 |
| w00t | I can probably lower that down a bit, since I have some redundancy in some parts | 06:16 |
| * w00t will do that first | 06:16 | |
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| E-P | Stskeeps: testing releases is easier to setup at the moment, so we could start with that. Move to changes testing is not so big when we have the system running. | 06:17 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | we can definately extract info like "these packages were changed" | 06:18 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: agree, imho once we have enough test assets (coverage) to do proper regression testing per request we should do that. For now per release is easier. | 06:18 |
| E-P | Sage: thanks, I will represent your comments in the meeting | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | okay, that should be good to get things going | 06:20 |
| Stskeeps | from my perspective any QA is good, especially if we can automate it to work on top of hw adaptations | 06:20 |
| Stskeeps | and ideally we'll catch it already in change testing | 06:20 |
| Sage | w00t: very nice | 06:20 |
| Stskeeps | in future | 06:20 |
| * timoph ponders about using libgit2's python bindings for generating a list of changes | 06:21 | |
| sroedal | w00t: if it's all Qt should be easy to hook it into qtwayland (as long as there's hardware accelerated buffer sharing supported by qtwayland) | 06:21 |
| sroedal | w00t: QML is nice, right? | 06:21 |
| w00t | sroedal: all QML, yes.. I wrote it specifically wanting to do that :p | 06:23 |
| * w00t is down to 419 lines | 06:23 | |
| w00t | sroedal: one thing I don't like is that sometimes writing states feels a bit like copy pasta hell, for instance: http://qtl.me/IQl.txt | 06:24 |
| sroedal | you don't really need states unless you have a lot of property changes linked to them | 06:25 |
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| w00t | mmm | 06:26 |
| w00t | how would you do that else? animations? | 06:26 |
| sroedal | could just in launcherPressed to "opacity: mouseArea.pressed" | 06:26 |
| sroedal | *do | 06:26 |
| w00t | no | 06:26 |
| w00t | I want a transition | 06:26 |
| sroedal | then Behavior on opacity { NumberAnimation {} } | 06:26 |
| w00t | hmm | 06:27 |
| w00t | never really used that.. | 06:27 |
| * w00t reads docs | 06:27 | |
| sroedal | I use it a lot | 06:27 |
| w00t | ooh :) | 06:27 |
| w00t | this looks useful | 06:27 |
| sroedal | w00t: see this for example: https://github.com/capisce/motionblur/blob/master/Pane.qml | 06:27 |
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| w00t | 413 down to 387 lines | 06:29 |
| w00t | 383.. getting harder to remove things | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | just remove all \n's, down to 1 | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 06:32 |
| w00t | 381, I'll call that done ;) | 06:33 |
| sroedal | w00t: if there's a lot of duplication in your main qml you can always split that into separate qmls | 06:34 |
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| w00t | sroedal: I split a lot of stuff out, that's where I saved most LOC early on | 06:34 |
| sroedal | right | 06:37 |
| timoph | the behavior on x {} is handy | 06:40 |
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| E-P | timoph: do you have any comments to today's QA agenda or/and to Sage's comments? | 06:42 |
| timoph | E-P: not much. I'd go with mer:qa:tools from the project options. maybe have mer:qa:tests for the test suites | 06:48 |
| timoph | btw, how big modifications are needed for the vm image for it to boot without any user interaction? | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | probably just a bootloader parameter | 06:50 |
| E-P | timoph: ok, thanks | 06:50 |
| E-P | setting some default timeout | 06:53 |
| w00t | now 359 lines, sroedal is awesome :P | 06:55 |
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| lbt | morning all | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 07:36 |
| lbt | w00t: looks nice ... | 07:36 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 07:38 |
| w00t | lbt: :) | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | good morning mdfe_ :) | 07:38 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 07:39 |
| lbt | w00t: I hope your code and commentary is as educational as it is compact ;) | 07:42 |
| w00t | lbt: it's not that terrible, I think | 07:43 |
| lbt | when I've done the SDK + release tools I may even have a look | 07:43 |
| Bostik | shouldn't be long until we have Qt5 in mer either | 07:46 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: certainly getting there | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | i have like 90% in review atm | 07:48 |
| Bostik | wheee! | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: for all the changelog entries with " <>" in .changes, i've modified to be you thoug | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | h | 07:50 |
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| Bostik | right, I think they may have been due to misbehaving script and ahma committing them along other, intended changes | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:52 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine :) | 07:56 |
| slaine | Morning Stskeeps | 07:57 |
| slaine | morning everyone | 07:57 |
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| slaine | Remember that Netflix UI Whitepaper from Qt labs about using html5/Qt-Webkit for a server driven UX | 08:07 |
| slaine | Was the sample code for that ever released ? | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | mm>? | 08:07 |
| slaine | let me see | 08:08 |
| slaine | Here it is | 08:08 |
| slaine | http://qt.nokia.com/qt-in-use/story/customer/server-driven-connectedtv | 08:08 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUdCvi3b5PM | 08:36 |
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| smoku | cool. it's fairly easy to do mockups in qml :) | 08:37 |
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| Stskeeps | think w00t wants to combine it with qtwayland as well | 08:39 |
| * w00t nods | 08:39 | |
| Stskeeps | ie, compositor infrastructure | 08:39 |
| sroedal | in qml the path from mockup to product is fairly short too :) | 08:40 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly how to get a /dev/fb0 in virtualbox | 08:40 | |
| w00t | sroedal: yeah, since you essentially write your frontend and then glue it onto the real pieces as you write them | 08:41 |
| w00t | or at least that's how I do it :) | 08:41 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: modprobe fbcon should do it? | 08:44 |
| ali1234 | wait, not fbcon, the other one | 08:45 |
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| kostaja | Stskeeps: hi! we decided to pop up another obs for mer builds while trying to fix the old cross tools. is it ok to fork your obs stuff from github now or are you planning to push something there soon? i see that you've updated something a few hours ago. | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | kostaja: lbt'd know | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | lbt ^ | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | hello keath :) | 08:48 |
| lbt | kostaja: hey | 08:48 |
| kostaja | hi | 08:48 |
| lbt | let me check my local git | 08:48 |
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| lbt | it needs a push | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | so what we have in github.com/Merproject now is ..? | 08:50 |
| keath | hi Stskeeps | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | keath: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 08:53 |
| keath | Stskeeps: thanks,..i was looking out if meego was dead...but to my luck it still continues to be alive by mer | 08:54 |
| lbt | kostaja: OK ... so mer_patches_2.3 is based on 2.3.0 and should have our SB2 patches applied as well as some other patches that I've not yet pushed upstream. It's a working/collaboration branch so it's subject to rebase | 08:55 |
| keath | Stskeeps: i am a developer and let me know if i can lend my hands for mer project in my free time.. | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | keath: sure, any contribution welcome - we even have task lists to help you select what you'd like to help with, and happy to answer questions | 08:55 |
| lbt | kostaja: I've not tested it recently though - I'm in the middle of some changes for copyproj (stashed, not pushed) | 08:56 |
| keath | Stskeeps: wow great... | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | keath: so what kind of things can you do? | 08:56 |
| keath | i have fair knowledge on c,c++ ,a some knowledge on qt | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | alright - have you ever tried to do RPM packaging and perhaps a bit of working with git? | 08:57 |
| kostaja | lbt: ok, thanks! | 08:58 |
| keath | yeah i have basic understanding of git but never worked on rpm but i have knowedge on debian packaging.. | 08:58 |
| keath | Stskeeps: but i am ready to lear new things.. | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | keath: alright, a good time to learn then :) | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | keath: do you have a linux machine? | 08:58 |
| keath | Stskeeps: yeah with ubuntu distribution.. | 08:59 |
| lbt | (no, new SDK isn't ready yet) | 08:59 |
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| Stskeeps | keath: alright, install Mer Platform SDK, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK and that should be a good first step :) | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | if you run into any problems, don't hestitate to ask | 09:00 |
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| keath | yeah sure...thanks a lot Stskeeps | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | no problem | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | kostaja: btw, http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/sb2-b1-obs-binutils.txt - next generation sb2 builds | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | sets up both x86 and arm side in a proper manner | 09:01 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: does that solve/rely-on the "only install from the target dir" problem ? | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: hmm? | 09:05 |
| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239 | 09:05 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: this looks like a sb2 issue, not so much sb2-obs | 09:06 |
| lbt | OK - given you probably ran sb2 rpm -i or something I wondered if it was relevant | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | i cd $TARGET first | 09:06 |
| lbt | OK - commented as a workaround? | 09:06 |
| lbt | :) | 09:06 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:07 |
| * lbt hears "clicky... clicky" ... "yes" | 09:07 | |
| Stskeeps | you have hidden microphones in my office? oh poor you.. | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:08 |
| lbt | *g* | 09:08 |
| rcg1 | lbt: i am very sorry.. again the same issue | 09:08 |
| * lbt waits to throw sleepy at that problem | 09:08 | |
| lbt | rcg1: aaaargh | 09:08 |
| lbt | wtf is going on | 09:09 |
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| lbt | bloody cbe keeps drifting an hour away from its ntp master | 09:09 |
| rcg1 | lbt: thanks once more :) | 09:10 |
| lbt | * * * * * root /usr/sbin/sntp -s ntp.in.meego.com >/dev/null 2>&1 | 09:12 |
| lbt | "take that" | 09:12 |
| rcg1 | ;) | 09:12 |
| lbt | phaeron: X-Fade: ^^^ on cbe .... I don't know what's up with ntp ... it looks sane but ...? | 09:12 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Yeah, noticed it too. | 09:14 |
| X-Fade | Must be xen.. | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: btw, sb2 maintainer said he's up for helping with deb rules in sb2 as well | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | as it needs to be accelerated in a different way | 09:15 |
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| Stskeeps | and i might need a hand with testing my sb2 patches on top of debian packages | 09:16 |
| lbt | X-Fade: only started yesterday | 09:16 |
| lbt | I noticed Adam doing security updates today on some machines too | 09:16 |
| lbt | so could be related | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | btw, do we know anything about cobs fate yet? | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | don't recall if we discussed this in SFO at all | 09:17 |
| lbt | no, I didn't ask Dawn - completely slipped my mind | 09:18 |
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| lbt | Intel france are putting Tizen on there | 09:18 |
| lbt | reminds me I must ping him.... this afternoon though | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:18 |
| * Stskeeps takes a CE backup.. | 09:21 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:21 |
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| sledges | hello! | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | good morning sledges | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | how are things? | 09:25 |
| sledges | is there a free radio Qt app+source code anywhere? They made N9 radio paid :( | 09:25 |
| sledges | busy :) | 09:25 |
| sledges | doing some heavy python atm | 09:25 |
| sledges | how are you? | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'm good, integrating qt5 stuff and working on a way so we can easily prototype wayland-based systems in VM | 09:26 |
| keath | Stskeeps: are you looking for internet radio? | 09:26 |
| sledges | nice, nice direction wayland-to go :)) ! | 09:26 |
| sledges | keath, FM | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | ie, mesa with llvmpipe on top of fbdev and wayland | 09:26 |
| sledges | :) | 09:26 |
| sledges | smashing fast then ;) | 09:27 |
| keath | sledges: ok | 09:27 |
| sledges | keath, found it, even if paid, it is open source :) https://github.com/andytolst/fmradio | 09:29 |
| keath | sledges: great :) | 09:30 |
| sledges | no rds though.. ;) | 09:30 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I submit a package with a single so file in it. the status is "succeeded", but no rpm in repo. Is there something wrong? this is the final outputs: http://pastie.org/3960099 | 09:30 |
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| sledges | and here is the RDS support in QT5!! https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-23762?focusedCommentId=171700&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-171700 :) ( Attie ;) ) | 09:32 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I have made several packages successfully. so the spec file should be OK. Does the 'libezwebkit.so' needs special handling? | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: verify that the time on your OBS workers is equal to that ont he server | 09:32 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: ?? | 09:33 |
| sonach | my OBS worker is running on the server, | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: okay, does it end up in the web UI with correct version? | 09:36 |
| sonach | how to check this in Web UI? | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | click build results, where the repository name is | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | in the package | 09:37 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: what is 'correct version' mean? | 09:38 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: well, that the version that the rpm has in the build log, is in fact the version of the rpm making it to the obs | 09:40 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3960143 | 09:41 |
| sonach | the full build log | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | okay so ezwebkit-0.1.20120524-3.1.Mer.src.rpm | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | should be possible to find under the webui for ezwebkit | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | that means it came from worker to the obs | 09:42 |
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| Stskeeps | hello kahola :) | 09:45 |
| kahola | hi | 09:45 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: where to find this file? I can not find it... | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | kahola: welcome :) so what interests you in Mer? | 09:45 |
| kahola | Stskeeps I am here for the first time. | 09:45 |
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| Stskeeps | kahola: :) if you have any questions, don't hestitate to ask | 09:46 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: is the spec file correct? http://pastie.org/3960161 | 09:46 |
| kahola | stskeeps: i am looking into mer for replacement to a rootfs bsp | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yes looks correct | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | kahola: cool | 09:47 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: I am also looking into Yocto | 09:47 |
| kahola | I have gone though a few pages on both the websites. | 09:47 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: in my repo for src(http://192.168.129.140:82/tvos%3a/hwadaption%3a/hi3716m/MerDS_Core_armv7l/src/), I can not find ezwebkit-0.1.20120524-3.1.Mer.src.rpm, | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, moment | 09:48 |
| sonach | ok, | 09:48 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: I have read a few posts of yours about mer. | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=mesa&project=home%3Astskeeps%3Amesa-fbdev - see "Mer_Core-next-i586" and "Mer_Core_i586"? | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | kahola: yeah - i should really be blogging more about it | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: same place in your obs, click there | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: probably is called MerDS_Core_armv7l there | 09:49 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: yes, I can see ezwebkit-0.1.20120524-3.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm there! | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | kahola: so if you want to evaluate Mer, you can start by grabbing Mer Platform SDK and attempting to build one or more of our images, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 09:49 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: have you used yocto anytime. I am thinking of getting a rasberryPi where both configuration already exist so that I can do some comparisons | 09:50 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: but why doesn't is publish to repo?? | 09:50 |
| lbt | kahola: what's the experience with Mer been like so far? | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: OK, so, ZiQiangHuan had a similar issue the other evening, that his packages weren't published to the repository | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i'm not entirely sure why it was | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | kahola: i've only touched yocto briefly, but you should definately evaluate both of them and choose which one you think is best | 09:50 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: Till now, I am more inclined towards mer, because as far as I have looked it seems more complete | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | yocto has it's areas and mer has others :) so it really depends on your use case | 09:51 |
| lbt | kahola: and we'd really like to hear your opinions - it's difficult to be objective when we're so invested | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | kahola: can you try to talk about what kind of product you'd like to make perhaps? | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | not detailed, just overview | 09:51 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: giving an analogy, it feel yocto is more like a toolkit while mer seems like full framework | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:52 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK. ZiQiangHuan said it is the problem of our OBS... thank you. and I must setup a new OBS as soon as possible, hehe... | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | we're a puzzle piece, add a UI and a hardware adaptation on top and you have a product | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | (.. analogy :) | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | yocto has it's good moments though, they can scale to some areas we can't (yet) | 09:53 |
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| kahola | Stskeeps: I have a sigma design provided stack right now | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | sigma design.. is that MIPS? | 09:54 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: and everytime something new have to be added crosscompiling, dependency resololution, its a mess | 09:55 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: yes | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok, we have a MIPS32 port at least, though not too validated yet | 09:55 |
| lbt | kahola: have you looked at the systems around Mer ? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | it runs to fbdev and qt in qemu | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | we'd be happy to have some help verifying our port actually works properly on real MIPS hardware - we have very up to date toolchain, gcc 4.6, eglibc 2.15, etc | 09:56 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: not yet, do you have any low configuration examples | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | well, start with platform sdk and go from there, we have 'base' mer kickstart files (image configuration) to try on | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | kahola: did you see OBS? | 09:57 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: I have had a look but didnt use it till now for anything | 09:58 |
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| Stskeeps | kahola: alright, take a look at https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=CE%3AUX%3AMTF for example | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | that's the build system any Mer vendor can use | 09:59 |
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| Stskeeps | as in, set up for themselves in their company and use it to make products | 10:00 |
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| Stskeeps | we also have platform sdk with cross compilation tools inside that make it easy to develop and make images | 10:02 |
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| kahola | Stskeeps: thank you for the guidance, I will try to loop into obs and atleast try and get kernel to boot. | 10:03 |
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| Stskeeps | kahola: :nod: you'll want to start with your own BSP kernel (2.6.32 and above ideally), and then use mer platform sdk to make a root file system | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | once you're booting, that's first step | 10:05 |
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| Stskeeps | kahola: if you have any vendor questions, how to set up systems, etc, lbt is our vendor relations guy and always happy to answer questions | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | else here or the mailing list is fine for asking questions, especially if you'll help document some of the answers :) | 10:06 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: that may be problem, the vendor has a port of 2.6.22 only | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | that might be a bit too low for Mer | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | our baseline is 2.6.32 + some few patches to support systemd | 10:06 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: I will inquire if they have any unreleased internal port of 2.6.32 or above | 10:07 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: I dont understand why platform vendors go after rootfs when there are better projects outhere. | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's something that yocto is at least helping a bit | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | and projects like linaro | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | leaving them to work on proper things like hardware adaptation that doesn't suc | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | and of course Mer too, but we don't have ARM vendors on board to provide hw adaptations out of box :) | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | or others | 10:09 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: Anyway thanks for your time. I will see if something can be done. | 10:10 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: do mer have any commercial backing right now. | 10:10 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: it becomes a little easier to pitch it to others to invest some time into it. | 10:12 |
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| lbt | kahola: Mer's a cooperative open source project setup as a non-profit | 10:13 |
| lbt | so backing is diversified ... which is a great risk management strategy | 10:14 |
| lbt | ie if a certain major player pulls out (trying not to look at MeeGo here) the project just carries on | 10:14 |
| kahola | lbt: I understand and believe that. Infact I believe a lot of good work has been done as part of meego and mer | 10:15 |
| lbt | we have about 5 organisations with 'commercial' interest (ranging from sponsoring to paying people to work on Mer) | 10:15 |
| lbt | at some point I should quantify that to be able to answer questions like this a little more solidly :) | 10:16 |
| kahola | lbt: I understand that. | 10:17 |
| lbt | We should also publish some of the goals we've met - eg our IT budget for the entire core is ~ €350/month | 10:17 |
| lbt | core team of 3-4 have managed all ~13 releases for 5 architectural builds | 10:18 |
| lbt | these figures go to answer the worst-case scenario risk | 10:18 |
| kahola | lbt: that is very impressive, but unless I can get my vendor to play nice with mer, I may be out of luck. | 10:19 |
| lbt | sure ... these are just factoids to help make decisions | 10:19 |
| kahola | lbt: and currently we dont have the numbers to actually force them to our liking. | 10:19 |
| lbt | as usual :) | 10:19 |
| kahola | lbt: but that may change soon | 10:20 |
| kahola | lbt: hopeful :) | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | kahola: we're many small-medium companies so we're all in similar boats :) | 10:21 |
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| lbt | As I mentioned - part of the goal is to act as a co-operative : may be worth looking to others in your field to evaluate Mer's strategy | 10:21 |
| kahola | lbt: thank you, I have much more clarity now. | 10:21 |
| lbt | kahola: good - please yell if you need anything else ... especially if you want to look to productisation and scaling up + out | 10:22 |
| kahola | lbt: sure | 10:22 |
| lbt | bear in mind that a lot of our systems were designed thinking about the Nokia N9 replacement | 10:22 |
| kahola | lbt: how well broadcom and mer play | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | MIPS or ARM? | 10:22 |
| kahola | lbt: we may change vendor also | 10:23 |
| lbt | We keep the hardware adaptation discrete to permit that | 10:23 |
| kahola | lbt: I am yet to look into their current pricing | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | at least we have raspberry pi hardware adaptation, and that one runs quite well | 10:23 |
| kahola | so ARM or MIPS will depend on their pricing | 10:23 |
| lbt | kahola: you may notice Stskeeps likes the low level chips... I mainly do bigger systems :) | 10:23 |
| lbt | kahola: the other thing I will say - you should find it reasonably easy to run them in parallel during early prototyping with the OBS | 10:24 |
| * lbt doesn't define easy :) | 10:24 | |
| Stskeeps | kahola: on a sidenote, it's also possible to develop your systems in virtual machines - Mer runs on X86 too | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | so that saves a lot of hardware budget too | 10:24 |
| kahola | Stskeeps: I had used meego in vm just to try it out some time back | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, meego wasn't so impressive | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | mer is better in that regard | 10:26 |
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| kahola | Stskeeps: thank you once again I will be leaving now. Will come back if I have something concrete or more questions;) | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | alright, have a good day | 10:27 |
| lbt | o/ | 10:28 |
| kahola | you too, I guess you would have made mer more awesome by then | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | just quickly dumping some info into channel: In order to get framebuffer gles on VirtualBox with Mer, and llvmpipe, you must: | 11:10 |
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| Stskeeps | --with-egl-platforms=fbdev \ | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | in mesa-llvmpipe | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | and enable CONFIG_ for VESAFB and UVESAFB | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | in kernel command line upon bootup or permanently, video=vesafb:mtrr:3 vga=791 | 11:11 |
| szymon | hello:) | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | NOTE: you -must- have either 32bpp or 16bpp, due to llvmpipe being retarded and not supporting 24bpp | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | then you can do EGL_DEFAULT_DISPLAY and 0-window like you do on some other platforms | 11:12 |
| tadzik | hello szymon | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | .. hope that helps some people :) | 11:13 |
| szymon | I will make a fool out of myself with this question but I will ask anyways:) | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | good ;) | 11:13 |
| tadzik | I had a physics teacher once who said "the one who asks questions is stupid, the one who doesn't remains stupid" | 11:14 |
| szymon | tadzik, thank you:) | 11:14 |
| tadzik | You're welcome :) I find that quite insightful | 11:14 |
| szymon | so, is it a passable way just to zypper up kernel-adaptation-pc package in the running system, or do I have to build a new Mer image after I rebuilt the kernel package? | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | szymon: there is a minor bug with that at the moment | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 11:17 |
| szymon | Stskeeps: so better way, building a new image, ain't it right? | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | szymon: right now but it's obviously a bug :) | 11:18 |
| szymon | no problem, just wanted to know, as yestarday i tried to update the kernel to install kernel modules and it installed but with errors, which I did not write down: sth with grubby... | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:19 |
| szymon | ok, so that is known, uff | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | check if there's a bug for it in nemo mobile and if not, please file it | 11:19 |
| szymon | I will. | 11:19 |
| * Stskeeps heads downtown | 11:26 | |
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| E-P | Reminder: Mer QA meeting starting in 29 mins | 11:31 |
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| E-P | Mer QA meeting starting in #mer-meeting | 11:59 |
| lbt | mmph | 12:02 |
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| lbt | Sage: phaeron: QA mtg | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | sage is out, see morning chat | 12:12 |
| phaeron | I am there | 12:12 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: thanks for the info about vm / llvm / egl it would be interesting to include this in the vm adaptation and test without devices :) | 12:18 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr--kxeh0vU | 12:20 |
| slaine | w00t: nice | 12:21 |
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| lbt | w00t: seriously... at least make it look hard :D | 12:26 |
| w00t | lbt: :-P | 12:27 |
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| slaine | w00t: more youtube videos or it didn't happen ;) | 13:19 |
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| w00t | slaine: http://qtl.me/mer7.png | 13:21 |
| slaine | w00t: looking good | 13:22 |
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| Sage | evening | 17:25 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 17:28 |
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| CosmoHill | I left work today to find a large lorry loading a generator into itself in the middle of the farm track | 17:29 |
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| Sage | phaeron, lb, E-P: I would like to see that everthing not installed on Mer would not be in Mer:tools bu tin saome other projec | 17:31 |
| Sage | For QA tools if those are for device side or for host (SDK?) side would make it easier for us if we would build those only against Mer | 17:32 |
| Sage | Also then we would not have to deal with bugs like this does work because: we using different version of package X as it is taken from distro and not from Mer or it broke my host distro because it is not picked up from there | 17:34 |
| Sage | Also people will start asking why isn't this compiled against Fedora 14/15/16/ OpenSUSE x,y,z, ubuntu e,f,g etc. :) | 17:35 |
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| Sage | I like the story where we concentrate to the Mer SDK based setup where the installed packages etc. would be always the ones we build from same sources and for Mer. | 17:36 |
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| rcg1 | Sage: did you have a chance to look a the new qca2 and qca-ossl packages? | 17:48 |
| * CosmoHill growls | 17:51 | |
| CosmoHill | CLFS is going to be a right bitch to update cos of udev and systemd | 17:51 |
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| Sage | rcg1: not yet | 17:54 |
| Sage | Will arrive at home arround 22:30 or so. :) | 17:54 |
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| rcg1 | Sage: alright, no need to hurry. :) | 17:56 |
| rcg1 | just saw you online and wanted to ping you as I wasn't online pretty much today, just in case ;) | 17:56 |
| Sage | Well most probably will look tomorrow or next week. Has been quite intense week so far so rest would be nice for a change :P | 17:57 |
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| rcg1 | hehe yeah.. also took a rest today | 17:57 |
| rcg1 | just got home from the beach | 17:58 |
| rcg1 | been for the first time swimming in the atlantic after being about 3-4 month in cádiz =) | 17:58 |
| rcg1 | all months before i was loaded with work so i could only look at the beach ;) | 17:58 |
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