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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: when I use Ubuntu12.04 to create rootfs, but got http://pastie.org/3942650 | 02:29 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: any ideas about that? | 02:29 |
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| ali1234 | ZiQiangHuan: you might wanna tell us what 没有那个文件或目录 means | 02:36 |
| ZiQiangHuan | ali1234: I'm sorry for that. it meas: No such file or directory | 02:37 |
| ali1234 | hmm... well, looks like it is trying to run some command you don't have? | 02:38 |
| ali1234 | possibly also a 32 bit/64 bit issue | 02:40 |
| ZiQiangHuan | ali1234: I think so, but cannot find the command it want | 02:40 |
| ali1234 | try to run it with strace, it should tell you exactly what OS call failed | 02:40 |
| ZiQiangHuan | ali1234: how to run it with strace? | 02:40 |
| ali1234 | ie strace -e file <whatever command you ran> | 02:40 |
| ali1234 | will spam heavily on stderr | 02:41 |
| ali1234 | you might need strace -f -e file to follow child processes as well | 02:44 |
| ali1234 | are you using the distro provided versions of mic? cos they are usually very out of date | 02:45 |
| ZiQiangHuan | ali1234: my mic version is 0.24.12 | 02:46 |
| ali1234 | unfortunately i haven't been keeping up with what is the latest version | 02:47 |
| ZiQiangHuan | ali1234: my command is http://pastie.org/3942699 | 02:49 |
| ZiQiangHuan | ali1234: I just add "strace -f -e" before the command, but got "invalid system call `sudo'" | 02:50 |
| ali1234 | sudo strace -f -e file mic-image-creator ... | 02:51 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | ali1234: http://pastie.org/3942725, maybe there is something wrong with python2.7 | 03:03 |
| ali1234 | i doubt it | 03:04 |
| ali1234 | but i'm out of ideas | 03:04 |
| ZiQiangHuan | ali1234: for ubuntu12.04, kernel's version is 3.2.0-23-generic-pae | 03:05 |
| ZiQiangHuan | ali1234: does this matter ? | 03:06 |
| ZiQiangHuan | ali1234: I found a link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mic2/+bug/898401, have any ideas with it? | 03:07 |
| ali1234 | yeah, that's it | 03:07 |
| ZiQiangHuan | ali1234: but got python-central installed, still not work | 03:09 |
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| iekku | morning | 04:34 |
| timoph | morn | 04:41 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: use Mer platform SDK | 04:44 |
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| Stskeeps | iekku: too ill for bug triage? | 04:44 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: we don't test mic2 anymore, platform sdk has all tools properly set p | 04:47 |
| Stskeeps | up | 04:47 |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, was just thinking about that. i wasn't at computer yesterday and noticed in the middle of the night that i haven't send the invitation | 04:49 |
| iekku | i think i will manage to handle that | 04:49 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: :nod: i can do it if you're not feeling well, anybody's able to have a sick day :) | 04:49 |
| iekku | i will send the invitation soon | 04:50 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 04:51 |
| * Stskeeps offers iekku hot tea | 05:01 | |
| iekku | thanks :) | 05:01 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: sdk have any relation with mer repo's version? | 05:13 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: no, it'll do old mer images fine | 05:14 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok, I'll try it. And I'll follow the link http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Installation_.2F_setup, right? | 05:21 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 05:22 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit different from mic2 but a lot saner | 05:22 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I think mic2 does not work well with python2.7 in Ubuntu12.04, I see some python2.6 in the /usr/share/pyshared/mic/utils/bootstrap.py. | 05:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 05:27 |
| Stskeeps | that's why we do platform sdk, we're sure all components are correct version in there | 05:27 |
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| E-P | good morning | 05:31 |
| Stskeeps | morn E-P :) | 05:34 |
| Stskeeps | and congrats on the new title | 05:34 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: thank you, I am sorry that I miss the meeting | 05:34 |
| E-P | I was at the countryside the last 4 days | 05:35 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, participation isn't mandatory :) | 05:35 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully you had a sunny weekend | 05:35 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok, sonach told me he try to make rootfs with sdk some days ago, but failed. | 05:36 |
| E-P | partly yes, finally summer coming | 05:36 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: how are you? how was your conference/presentation? | 05:37 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: alright, we should debug that | 05:38 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: you mean the latest sdk will work well for me? | 05:39 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: it should, if it doesn't, that's an error and we need to fix it :) | 05:39 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: was a small n9 user-techie group meeting with ~25 people, my talk went fine even though i don't speak polish -- 10 hours total transport time there and back.. i go by the reasoning that if i gain even one contributor putting in 1-2 hours a day or someone recommending mer etc to someone else, it's more worth than the cost it takes me to go there | 05:40 |
| E-P | nice to hear, and it shouldn't be always about the money :) | 05:44 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 05:44 |
| Stskeeps | well even with money in mind the equation works out ;) | 05:44 |
| Stskeeps | oh, the tizen OBS is open | 05:45 |
| timoph | oh | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | damnit, ldap users only.. | 05:46 |
| Stskeeps | https://download.tizen.org/live/ | 05:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:46 |
| timoph | can you synch that to another obs | 05:47 |
| Stskeeps | working on it.. | 05:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:47 |
| timoph | x) | 05:47 |
| E-P | heh :) | 05:47 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least checking out what's there | 05:47 |
| timoph | makes sense to track what's going on there | 05:48 |
| timoph | btw, how tied the tizen web runtime is to the rest of the stack | 05:49 |
| timoph | as in how difficult it would be to slap the run time on top of mer | 05:49 |
| Stskeeps | very good question | 05:49 |
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| timoph | at least imo it would be a great thing to have in for example nemo. That would put Qt and html5 on pretty equal ground on nemo giving opening up new application development possibilities | 05:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, the trouble is the backend i think | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not going to invest time in it myself but tizen is publishing .src.rpms for people to try | 05:57 |
| timoph | yep | 05:57 |
| timoph | I'm thinking about experimenting with it after the summit and other things calm down | 05:58 |
| timoph | and my summer vacation starts after the summit too :) | 05:59 |
| timoph | did you find sources for the gbs tool? | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's in tools/ dir on download.tizen.org | 06:00 |
| * timoph grabs | 06:00 | |
| E-P | what is gbs tool? | 06:01 |
| timoph | https://wiki.tizen.org/wiki/OSDev/GBS | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: https://download.tizen.org/live/Tizen:/1.0:/Main/standard/src/ | 06:02 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: thanks | 06:02 |
| E-P | timoph: thanks, looking | 06:03 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: with sdk, bootstrap is still needed ? | 06:04 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: no, in sdk, the sdk is the bootstrap | 06:04 |
| timoph | seem they're still missing some features. Would be nice if it was developed in a public git so people could contribute.. | 06:04 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok | 06:05 |
| timoph | or at least track the upstream version.. | 06:05 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: file a bug for it | 06:05 |
| Stskeeps | from my perspective, the less platform tools we maintain the better / the less NIH we can do, that is | 06:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:06 |
| timoph | yes | 06:06 |
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| niqt | morning | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | morn niqt | 06:09 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I use mic create fs tvos-0.1.20120331.0.ks --cachedir=rpms --outdir=/home/xiaohuan/work/Mer/tvos-01.20120331.0 --arch=armv7l --pkgmgr=yum, got error http://pastie.org/3943277 | 06:21 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: cat /proc/mounts please | 06:23 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3943283 | 06:25 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: can i see the .ks? | 06:25 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok. http://pastie.org/3943291 | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: okay, could i ask you to do a reboot and try again? | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes the switch from mic2 to mic leaves odd traces :) | 06:29 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok, reboot ubuntu, right? | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 06:29 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: https://bugs.tizen.org/jira/browse/TDIST-33 | 06:30 |
| Stskeeps | o | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | k | 06:31 |
| * timoph predicts wontfix | 06:32 | |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't be so sure | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | mic is in github, intel has 01.org, etc.. | 06:32 |
| timoph | true | 06:33 |
| Stskeeps | if it was a samsung tool, i would have more doubts.. | 06:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:33 |
| timoph | and they're really trying to get some community involvement going on around tizen and this would be little thing for it | 06:33 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | my personal aim is collaborate on what we can, sharing component effort, though remain seperate | 06:35 |
| timoph | yep. I fully agree on that | 06:35 |
| Stskeeps | btw, saw me talking about benchmarks on friday? | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | i was wondering if we had stuff like benchmarking image loading | 06:37 |
| timoph | missed that | 06:37 |
| E-P | hmm.. mwts had some tests for image loading | 06:38 |
| E-P | but I don't remember was there any benchmarking tests | 06:38 |
| * timoph bought diablo 3 so was kinda busy :p | 06:38 | |
| E-P | Stskeeps: can you show log from your discussion? | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah, global productivity breakdown | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: nothing much really, it wasn't a discussion, just me talking :) | 06:39 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: still seems not work | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: OK, i'll wait for sage to wake up then | 06:39 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok | 06:40 |
| goldy | hi | 06:40 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: what to benchmark, loading a image file (jpg, png etc) from the memory card and showing on the screen? | 06:40 |
| E-P | using qt or something else? | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: yes, for example | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | hi goldy | 06:41 |
| E-P | the mwts test is for qt, so it would be easy to add measuring feature | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: i'm pondering how we could better advertise the performance of Mer, eventually compare with other stacks so | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | ie, for marketing purpose | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | s | 06:41 |
| E-P | ok | 06:42 |
| E-P | qt and html5 performance tests | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | for example, yeah | 06:42 |
| goldy | is nemo 100% working | 06:42 |
| w00t | Qt already has a shedload of benchmarks, you can probably look into reusing those (I'm not sure an image benchmark exists, but writing one wouldn't be too hard) | 06:42 |
| w00t | see tests/benchmarks/ | 06:42 |
| E-P | good idea | 06:43 |
| timoph | so get some manager friendly benchmark charts out? | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: yes, my benchmark bar is longer than yours, etc.. | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:43 |
| timoph | x) | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | goldy: best to try it out yourself on a microsd with u-boot first | 06:43 |
| w00t | tests/benchmarks/gui/image/qimagereader exists | 06:44 |
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| Stskeeps | goldy: if it was working 100% we'd be selling it on devices today | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:44 |
| goldy | i tried but its not fully functional | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | then you have your answer | 06:44 |
| goldy | after a month | 06:45 |
| goldy | now | 06:45 |
| goldy | what is status | 06:45 |
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| Stskeeps | morn pirut :) | 06:46 |
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| E-P | I will create a task bug for the image loader benchmark | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | k | 06:51 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: you copied the meego test data to somewhere? | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i have it mirrored | 06:53 |
| pirut | Stskeeps: hey ! | 06:53 |
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| E-P | Stskeeps: good, and what web engine mer has? qt webkit? | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: yeah, qt webkit is probably what we will benchmark on | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | we don't mandate qt or qt webkit though | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | so we don't say it's 'the' webkit engine :) | 07:00 |
| E-P | nod | 07:00 |
| E-P | I made some benchmark tests for qt webkit, but they are not public, so I have re-create them :) | 07:03 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: remove the --cachedir=rpms, then the error disappered | 07:05 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: but another error Error <creator>: Failed to build transaction : libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.15.Mer.armv7l requires libgstphotography-0.10.so.0 | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ah, ok | 07:06 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: first, sdk does not support --cachedir? | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: it might, but it might need full path i guess | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | that looks like a bug though | 07:07 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: full path? I have a test with --cachedir=fullpath/rpms, right? | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | /fullpath/rpms, yes | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: isn't one of the gst- things you built with libgstphotography ? | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps it managed not to get built, and is built in mer | 07:08 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I just build gstreamer0.10.36 gst-plugins-base-0.10.36 gst-plugins-good-0.10.31 gst-plugins-bad-0.10.23 | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ok, let me take a look | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: gst-plugins-bad-free is the one that should enable libgstphotography-0.10.so.0 | 07:13 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: qtmultimediakit need libgstphotography-0.10.so.0? | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:13 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: why it need bad plugins, I'll have a look at my bad plugins spec file | 07:14 |
| rozhkov | E-P: please have a look at https://bitbucket.org/rozhkov/meegotouch-systemui-tests. the repo contains one working functional test case | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: photography on mobile devices | 07:15 |
| E-P | rozhkov: thanks, looks good | 07:19 |
| Sage | morning | 07:20 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I have it built already | 07:23 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I have %{_libdir}/libgstphotography-0.10.so.* in part %file | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: hmmm | 07:25 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: and %{_libdir}/libgstphotography-0.10.so in %file devel | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: rpm2cpio gst-plugins-bad*.rpm | cpio -idv and see if it's there? | 07:26 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: gst-plugins-bad-free-0.10.23-1.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm or gst-plugins-bad-free-devel-0.10.23-1.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm? | 07:27 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: in gst-plugins-bad*-devl, only libgstphotography-0.10.so -> libgstphotography-0.10.so.23.0.0 there | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | is 0.10.so.23.0.0 in the not devel rpm? | 07:32 |
| ZiQiangHuan | it is there | 07:32 |
| ZiQiangHuan | but 0.10.so.23.0 is found by qtmutimedia | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ok, so you have both gst-plugins-bad and gst-plugins-bad-free? | 07:34 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes | 07:35 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: in fact, gst-plugins-bad-free is gst-plugins-bad | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 07:35 |
| * Stskeeps ponders | 07:35 | |
| Stskeeps | did you package -bad yourself? | 07:35 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I just use the spec file of gst-plugins-bad-free | 07:35 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I download it from gstreamer net | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | ok.. | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: the problem might be that the two packages aren't compatible, as qt mobility is built against one of the versions that has a valid libgstphotography-0.10.so.0 | 07:36 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: can I create a link in somewher | 07:37 |
| ZiQiangHuan | somewhere | 07:37 |
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| Stskeeps | can we try to avoid having gst-plugins-bad just temporarily? and just gst-plugins-bad-free | 07:37 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: in fact, because I want to use mpegtsdemux element in the new version of gst-plugins-bad | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yes, i just want to check image creation goes through :) | 07:41 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok | 07:43 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I comment it in ks file | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | right, it just shouldn't pick it up from your repo | 07:44 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3943492 | 07:46 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: image creation goes successfully | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:47 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: btw, how can I deal with the libgstphotography-0.10.so.0, any suggestions? | 07:48 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: well, frankly, re-enable the non-free plugins in mer's bad-free | 08:13 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: in fact libgstphotography-0.10.so.0 is not a gst plugin, but a *.so lib | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yes | 08:15 |
| lbt | morning all | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i might have up-to-date sb2 ruleset for sdk, want to test? | 08:15 |
| lbt | so .. SDK today | 08:15 |
| lbt | yes, sounds good | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/modes.tar.gz | 08:16 |
| lbt | OK | 08:16 |
| * Stskeeps ponders what pizza to order today | 08:16 | |
| * lbt is just waiting for coffee machine to warm up... | 08:16 | |
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| Stskeeps | good morning slaine :) | 08:25 |
| slaine | morning Stskeeps | 08:25 |
| slaine | Something pretty weird going on here today | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | it's sunshine and everything is working? | 08:26 |
| slaine | The sky seems to have turned blue and gone up really high, it's usually quiet close and dark grey | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | ah, so a irish miracle | 08:26 |
| slaine | sunshine, that's it. I heard my grandfather talk about it once. Wow | 08:27 |
| * lbt passes slaine the factor 50 ... | 08:27 | |
| slaine | that red glow isn't a good thing then | 08:27 |
| slaine | I just thought it was my Vitamin D factories turning on | 08:28 |
| iekku | slaine, the winter isn't coming? | 08:28 |
| lbt | think of it as cheap exfoliation | 08:28 |
| slaine | lbt, lol | 08:28 |
| slaine | iekku: I think we're just getting ready for the next grey sky | 08:28 |
| iekku | :) | 08:29 |
| slaine | Right, coffee, mail, code | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: broke something in there, dk-install/fs_rules.lua , line 207, add a ',' after " | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | err, 203 | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | and then things should be OK again | 08:40 |
| lbt | *nod* ... just sorting out a couple of issues | 08:41 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: did we ever get far with SDK tests? | 08:59 |
| dcthang | Stskeeps: Do we have emulator for the SDK? | 09:01 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: not really | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: use virtualbox + x86 mer | 09:07 |
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| Stskeeps | dcthang: no need for an emulator :) | 09:08 |
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| dcthang | Stskeeps: ok, thanks FYI :) | 09:31 |
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| slaine | Whats the best way to get my local snapshot of Mer to reimport/rebuild for MerDS ? | 09:33 |
| slaine | I updated my MerDS over the weekend and wanted to kick off a rebuild | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: updatesstorm usually | 09:34 |
| slaine | That's via the mds tools right, it does that to pull down the updated Mer packages | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | it signals to remote obs things have changed | 09:35 |
| slaine | Wow, so it did | 09:36 |
| slaine | I assumed I'd have to delete/reimport | 09:37 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. it's not perfect however | 09:37 |
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| Stskeeps | it doesn't add new packages/removeo ld | 09:37 |
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| slaine | Is there a way to use osc to delete the packages in a project ? | 09:38 |
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| slaine | I've tried osc del Mer:Core:i586 * but it's not working | 09:38 |
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| Stskeeps | rdelete | 09:38 |
| slaine | must have missed that one | 09:39 |
| * slaine goes check | 09:39 | |
| Sage | lbt, Stskeeps: no git in mer sdk? | 09:57 |
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| Sage | ah, not git-core but git :) | 09:58 |
| Sage | lbt, Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3943930 known problem? | 09:59 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: for gst-plugins-bad's new version, they use libgstphotography-0.10.so.23 to replace libgstphotography-0.10.so.23.0, so maybe qt-moblility have to be rebuild | 09:59 |
| lbt | yes | 09:59 |
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| Sage | lbt: ok | 10:19 |
| Sage | lbt, Stskeeps: i'll tag spectacle version 0.24 today and we can take it to our use. | 10:24 |
| lbt | did we have some outstanding bugs ? | 10:26 |
| lbt | I could be thinking of mic | 10:26 |
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| Sage | This is mainly cleanup thing but at least your macros changes are in this release lbt | 10:28 |
| lbt | OK, ta - we may need to start thinking about minimal tool versions for some of the upcoming version numbering changes | 10:29 |
| lbt | ping Sleepy_Coder ... when you're awake :) | 10:30 |
| Sage | lbt, Stskeeps, phaeron1: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/spectacle/trees/0.24 | 10:30 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:About | 10:30 |
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| lbt | nm - it links to the right place :) | 10:31 |
| lbt | Mer git repository needs updating at some point | 10:31 |
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| phaeron1 | Sage: can you please SR to Project:MINT:Testing | 10:34 |
| phaeron1 | Sage: or I can copypac it | 10:35 |
| phaeron1 | if it is built somewhere | 10:35 |
| Sage | I don't have rpm for it atm. I can do SR sure | 10:35 |
| phaeron1 | ok then I can update the one in use in boss | 10:35 |
| lbt | just wondering phaeron1 | 10:35 |
| lbt | should this be in MINT or in Tools now? | 10:35 |
| lbt | (ie do we support it in non-Mer distros?) | 10:36 |
| phaeron1 | lbt: it is in both | 10:36 |
| lbt | I'm thinking it should be in Tools as a primary location | 10:36 |
| lbt | *nod* | 10:36 |
| phaeron1 | I need it in mint repo for the process | 10:36 |
| lbt | should MINT be a link ? | 10:36 |
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| lbt | kinda spooky since it would be SR'ed to Tools and would need to veruify a build in MINT against Suse/Debian to accept it :) | 10:37 |
| lbt | for now - jfdi .... just made me ponder a bit is all | 10:38 |
| phaeron1 | yeah. I converted a link/aggregate of erlang yesterday to a copy because it was broken for no reason (obviously bug) | 10:38 |
| lbt | well, I wont start on it now (taking a break to do SDK) but I found that copyprj was writing version updates to the *src* source ... | 10:39 |
| phaeron1 | hmm ?! | 10:39 |
| lbt | yeah | 10:39 |
| phaeron1 | are you sure you didn't reverse the polarity or something | 10:39 |
| lbt | either that or I crossed the beams | 10:40 |
| phaeron1 | lol | 10:40 |
| lbt | anyhow... just mentioning it as another wtf | 10:40 |
| phaeron1 | well I spent yesterday moving the vms to the quad core and dding lvms to that hdd so I can work faster | 10:41 |
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| phaeron1 | there is no lvmove or lvmigrate I could find | 10:41 |
| lbt | dd is usually just as quick | 10:41 |
| * lbt is now a dd over socat fan | 10:41 | |
| phaeron1 | no for a 30GB lvm that contains 2Gb data it does a lot of zero writes | 10:42 |
| lbt | ah - rsync | 10:42 |
| phaeron1 | I just thought there would be a "lvm , please migrate this stuff intellegently" | 10:42 |
| lbt | between 2 machines? | 10:42 |
| phaeron1 | two pvs | 10:43 |
| phaeron1 | or two vgs for that matter | 10:43 |
| lbt | yeah, there is | 10:43 |
| RaYmAn | phaeron1: on "solution" is to resize2fs -M before dd'ing, then resize2fs after dd'ing to new lvm | 10:43 |
| rozhkov | E-P: could you please add qttas-server package to mer? at least the version 1.0.4 is known to work ok | 10:43 |
| lbt | pvmove ? | 10:43 |
| RaYmAn | workaround more than solution - but it works :> | 10:43 |
| phaeron1 | RaYmAn: yeah that would work too :) | 10:44 |
| phaeron1 | lbt: didn't work for some obscure reason | 10:44 |
| phaeron1 | anmyway | 10:44 |
| lbt | yeah | 10:44 |
| * RaYmAn did that for migrating vm's to a new box in an entirely different datacenter | 10:45 | |
| phaeron1 | and dding a snapshot had interesting effects | 10:45 |
| lbt | *g* | 10:45 |
| phaeron1 | so I skipped it | 10:45 |
| phaeron1 | it ended up trying to be 110% full or something weird like that | 10:46 |
| lbt | bug triage in 15m iekku E-P :) | 10:46 |
| iekku | :nod: | 10:46 |
| iekku | have been waiting for it, then going to bed | 10:46 |
| * iekku is having fever | 10:46 | |
| lbt | ? | 10:46 |
| lbt | I can run it if you like - np | 10:47 |
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| iekku | lbt, thanks. i think it would be good idea, my head doesn't work very well | 10:48 |
| lbt | sure - go sleep :) | 10:48 |
| iekku | thanks :) | 10:48 |
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| Stskeeps | iekku: hope you feel better | 10:50 |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, hoping that too... maybe tomorrow is better day | 10:51 |
| Sage | phaeron1: SR 4881 | 10:54 |
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| lbt | phaeron1: we need to start doing proper releases of Mer:Tools too | 10:58 |
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| lbt | anyhow ... bug triage now | 10:59 |
| Sleepy_Coder | lbt: hai-o :-) | 11:03 |
| lbt | hey Sleepy_Coder ... just chairing bug triage ... want to chat lua later ... | 11:03 |
| Sleepy_Coder | I'm open for it :-) (I haven't gotten into Tizen or Mer seriously just yet because next week is finals at my college) | 11:04 |
| Sleepy_Coder | Anything immediate you want to know? | 11:04 |
| lbt | no :) | 11:05 |
| Sleepy_Coder | I'm not actually busy right now.. :3 | 11:05 |
| Sleepy_Coder | Mostly I've been listening to Glad You Came by The Wanted for the last 5 hours as entertainment :p | 11:06 |
| Sleepy_Coder | (honest) | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | Sleepy_Coder: feel free to sit in on the bug triage in #mer-meeting | 11:06 |
| Sleepy_Coder | oic | 11:07 |
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| E-P | cool, Mer was mentioned in the Finnish IT magazine, http://www.tietokone.fi/uutiset/linux_tabletti_tulee_pian_spark_on_nyt_vivaldi | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | excellent | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | though i think the archos G9 is also a quite good target these days | 11:58 |
| Ronksu | who makes the hardware? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | as in, the vivaldi? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | it was zenithink based i think | 12:00 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: give me 15 min max ... | 12:03 |
| Ronksu | could be a nice device | 12:03 |
| Sleepy_Coder | oh no hurry | 12:03 |
| Sleepy_Coder | lbt: I'm going to be up for the next several hours so, whenever you want to talk about whatever :) | 12:04 |
| Sage | E-P: qttas somewhere packaged for Mer already? | 12:08 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.15.Mer.armv7l is the qt-mobility's package? I rebuild the qt-moblity, how can I make ks file use my qt-mobility? | 12:08 |
| Sage | E-P: Some staging packaging would be ok as well, just want to try it out | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: if you make it by a linkpac to the Mer sources, it'll automatically get a higher version number | 12:09 |
| Sage | lbt, phaeron1: Any change you could add e.g. opensuse 12.1 to Project:Tools:Testing ? | 12:10 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I build qt-mobility with my new version gst libs, build successfully, so I think the problem I met will be solved if I use my built qtmobility | 12:11 |
| Sage | and could someone tell the meaning of the differnet projects :D | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: correct | 12:11 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: how to linkpac? can I only change ks files ? | 12:13 |
| phaeron1 | Sage: done | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: osc -A http://your.obs.api linkpac fakeobs:Core:armv7l qt-mobility your:project | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | for example | 12:13 |
| E-P | Sage: just a sec | 12:14 |
| phaeron1 | Sage: it exploded | 12:14 |
| Sage | phaeron1: :/ | 12:15 |
| Sage | so is the Project:Tools:Testing also meant for QA Tools? | 12:15 |
| Sage | because those are also there atm. | 12:15 |
| E-P | Sage: I think there isn't qttas server for Mer yet | 12:16 |
| phaeron1 | this _is_ qa tools. but we would like to move them to Mer:Tools | 12:16 |
| Sage | phaeron1: maybe call it Mer:QA-Tools? | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron1: as in, 'this is just an old dump of devel:tests' ? | 12:16 |
| Sage | or Mer:QA:Host and Mer:QA:Client ? | 12:16 |
| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: said just Mer:Tools | 12:17 |
| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: right ? | 12:17 |
| Sage | Mer:QA:Client would compile against Mer and host against differnt host OS's? | 12:17 |
| phaeron1 | host would ideally be Mer SDK | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | qa tools should go into Mer:Tools:Testing and then into Mer:Tools yes | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | Mer:Tools can also be added to device, afaik | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | :Testing being 'staging' area | 12:17 |
| E-P | we haven't defined that exactly, but something like that yes | 12:18 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: so both host and client tools would go to Mer:Tools:X ? | 12:19 |
| Sage | for QA stuff | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 12:21 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: Personally I would separate the stuff or we end up in a mess. Because in Mer:Tools there is e.g., git, kpartx, less etc. that are also in most of the host's | 12:21 |
| Sage | so when someone would want to pick up the QA tools for ubuntu he might accidently pick up something that doesn't work so nicely when doing apt-get update | 12:22 |
| Sage | syslinux is one of my worries as it messed up some users machines back in meego times when they installed it with mic :P | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:22 |
| Sage | thus I would suggest Mer:QA:Tools{:Testing} | 12:23 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I use the command "osc -A http://192.168.129.140:81 linkpac fakeobs:Core:armv7l qt-mobility home:huanzq:gstreamer-1036", right? | 12:23 |
| lbt | Sage: 12.1 for tools - OK - but it's still dodgy for OBS | 12:23 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: hey | 12:23 |
| Sleepy_Coder | present :] | 12:23 |
| Sleepy_Coder | omnipresent, even :p | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yes, provided the fakeobs is at fakeobs in your system | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | sonach'd know | 12:24 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: It's 20:24 here, so sonach went home two hours ago | 12:25 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: so ... one thing I'm looking to do in our lua is some kind of 'include' | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yeah, okay | 12:26 |
| Sleepy_Coder | include being a direct source inclusion or something fancier than require() in lua? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: do osc ls and see if it's fakeobs, or Mer.MDS | 12:26 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: I'll see if I can show you | 12:26 |
| Sleepy_Coder | kk | 12:26 |
| Sage | After thinking a while I think we probably should do only Mer SDK approach and forget building tools for each distro separaterly. | 12:27 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: MerDS | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ok, MerDS then | 12:27 |
| Sage | Is there any known limitations for Mer SDK that might not work with e.g. QA Tools? cc: E-P ? | 12:27 |
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| E-P | OTS might have some issues | 12:28 |
| Sleepy_Coder | I wonder if mer documentation can one day be called merman. | 12:28 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs/blob/master/modes/sdk-install/fs_rules.lua#L258 | 12:28 |
| lbt | :) | 12:29 |
| * Sleepy_Coder clickies | 12:29 | |
| lbt | Sage: I agree :) | 12:29 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok, seems still not work, should I clean up something? | 12:29 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: now this is about adding translation table entries | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: osc ls fakeobs:Core:armv7l ? | 12:30 |
| E-P | Sage: eg. setting up virtual machine/device for testing | 12:30 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I mean linkpac works well | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ok, but building doesn't | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 12:30 |
| lbt | so /home mapps certain functions to use_orig_path | 12:30 |
| Sage | E-P: .. well, lets assume that I'm using external device like N900 then there would not be anyproblems? | 12:30 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: but when create rootfs, the error still "Error <creator>: Failed to build transaction : libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.15.Mer.armv7l requires libgstphotography-0.10.so.0" | 12:30 |
| lbt | see https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs/blob/master/modes/sdk-install/fs_rules.lua#L373 | 12:31 |
| E-P | Sage: for manual/semi-automatic testing probably not | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: does it build in home:huanzq:gstreamer-1036 ? | 12:31 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: the subpackage of it | 12:31 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: so I'd like to extend that list by reading something in from a users home dir (or similar) | 12:31 |
| Sage | E-P: Then what about running e.g. nemo-i586-vm in Virtualbox and connect via IP to it. Something would need to start it probably outside mer sdk but that would be similar to N900. | 12:31 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: show me build log for qt-mobility in your OBS? | 12:32 |
| Sage | E-P: so IMO not such a big problem atm. | 12:32 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: in my case I'd like to add /maemo and /everything to the list ... but I don't want it in the mainline code as it represents configuration specific to my hard-disk/fs | 12:32 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: nb ...this isn't a high prio task - so definitely post-exam :) | 12:33 |
| E-P | Sage: that is the problem, but we could tweak the ots to use mer sdk for test execution | 12:33 |
| Sage | E-P: if you haven't done any packaging for the QA tools yet I could package e.g., qttas ans tddriver | 12:33 |
| Sleepy_Coder | that could be done, but you'd have to define a path in the users ~ for where to look for a setup-specific file to include/require()? | 12:33 |
| E-P | Sage: the worker setups the device and connection, and then tests are executed in the mer sdk | 12:33 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: yes - something like that | 12:33 |
| Sleepy_Coder | hmm. | 12:33 |
| Sage | lbt: any reason why one could not start e.g. qemu inside mer sdk? | 12:33 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok, http://pastie.org/3944490 | 12:34 |
| Sage | well, we do it in mic already so no :P | 12:34 |
| Sage | E-P: ^ | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: and now your .ks? | 12:34 |
| Sleepy_Coder | so you just want to have a way to open it up to a setup-specific ruleset, but are not sure in which way you want to do it? you could use require() to load a file from the users ~ into the environment of that script to override rules or add new ones, or would you be looking to make sure a user can only redefine some rules there? :> | 12:34 |
| lbt | Sage: no reason | 12:35 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I found a strange thing after the command, a qt-mobility package is built in my project gstreamer-0.10.36 | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yes | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: that's intentional | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | it needs to build against your gstreamer project | 12:35 |
| E-P | Sage: I havent' done any packaging for tdriver, but here you can find the qttas server https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=Project%3ATools%3ATesting | 12:35 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: mainly no idea about how to approach it - require() sounds reasonable. Not worried about limiting the user | 12:36 |
| Sage | E-P: nod, was planning to use those as a base | 12:36 |
| Sleepy_Coder | lbt: require() would pretty much give the person the ability to mess with anything in the scripts environment they want to mess with, if there are no concerns about security it is the option most open to flexibility on the end-users part :> | 12:37 |
| lbt | yep - there are no security issues here | 12:37 |
| E-P | Sage: ok, it is pretty old version of tdriver, so update needed | 12:37 |
| Sleepy_Coder | hmm kk, I'll see about how to put it in there, any ideas for where the user-defined ruleset .lua script should be in their ~ ? | 12:37 |
| Sleepy_Coder | or even specifying that path through a cmdline option somewhere? | 12:38 |
| Sage | E-P: :nod: well I'll check what I can do :) | 12:38 |
| E-P | Sage: thanks | 12:38 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ks file is http://pastie.org/3944513 | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: http://192.168.129.140:82/home%3a/huanzq%3a/gstreamer-1036/MerDS_Core_armv7l contains qt-mobility and such? | 12:39 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes, I think so | 12:41 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: ~/.sb2rules is fine for now - we'll refine it later :) | 12:41 |
| Sleepy_Coder | What are these mappings used for? :x Kind of irrelevant to waht you want me to add, but I've been trying to figure this out >.< | 12:42 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: http://192.168.129.140:82/home:/huanzq:/gstreamer-1036/MerDS_Core_armv7l/armv7l/ I can see the rpm package | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ok | 12:42 |
| lbt | essentially they're used to map a filesystem overlay | 12:43 |
| Sleepy_Coder | hmm. | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: add libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.1.Mer in %packages | 12:44 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: so sb2 intercepts system() calls and matches to the func_name | 12:44 |
| lbt | and does path translation | 12:44 |
| lbt | so open("/home/xxx") goes to the 'real' /home | 12:44 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I see libdeclarative-multimedia-1.2.0-1.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm there, but the error"Error <creator>: Failed to build transaction : libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.15.Mer.armv7l requires libgstphotography-0.10.so.0", so it doesnot use my qt-mobllity | 12:44 |
| Sleepy_Coder | this actually makes sense to me :o | 12:45 |
| lbt | open("/usr/lib/xxx") goes to the 'cross' /usr/lib | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yeah.. that's what i feared | 12:45 |
| Sleepy_Coder | ooh someone was clever when they wrote this | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: i wonder why it doesn't behave correctly | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | it should become -2.1 | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | not 1.1 | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: go into qt-mobility and add * Foo as second line of .changes file | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | and let it rebuild | 12:46 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: yep | 12:46 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok, I already have qt-mobility package in gstreamer-0.10.36, and after linkpac command, a new qtmoblity package is building there, does this matter? | 12:47 |
| Sleepy_Coder | lbt: anyway, if you wanted to redefine something you'd stick a require('~/.sbrules') at the end of the file (that way the default rules would already be defined and you could modify them or clear them, etc...) | 12:47 |
| Sleepy_Coder | (assuming ~ actually points at your intended $HOME) | 12:47 |
| Sleepy_Coder | also I could think of a much more concise way to define some of those rulings (some loops and table.insert()'s since a lot of the rules are the same for different executables) | 12:48 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: the challenge then is to do this in such a way as to be robust - so test existence before including | 12:48 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: two qtmobility package is there, which one will be used? | 12:49 |
| lbt | also to provide some sample ~/.sb2rules to show how to extend it | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: the one with highest version nujmber | 12:49 |
| Sleepy_Coder | lbt: pcall(require('~/.sbrules')) i thinks, pcall() lets things error silently, if the require()'d file doesn't exist | 12:50 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: I could see "use_original("/everything") as a helper method for the most common use case | 12:50 |
| Sleepy_Coder | ic | 12:50 |
| lbt | assuming you can write code that would have that effect :) | 12:51 |
| Sleepy_Coder | ahh, it would be pcall(require, '~/.sbrules') >.< | 12:51 |
| lbt | I'm a bit unsure if lua permits dynamic method creation | 12:51 |
| Sleepy_Coder | dynamic method creation? :> | 12:51 |
| lbt | lambda ? | 12:51 |
| Sleepy_Coder | (function () end)() | 12:52 |
| Sleepy_Coder | inline declaration of a function and its call | 12:52 |
| lbt | programattic declaration | 12:52 |
| lbt | -t | 12:52 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: after linkpac, the new qtmobility is still building, maybe I need wait until the building work finished | 12:52 |
| Sleepy_Coder | function some_name() .. end <-- in Lua this is syntactic sugar for: some_name = nil; some_name = function () .. end | 12:53 |
| lbt | ah, nice | 12:53 |
| Sleepy_Coder | :] | 12:53 |
| tadzik | same in JS, no? | 12:53 |
| Sleepy_Coder | so you're saying you want to separate the default rules out and instead check to see if user-defined ones are available? so if user ones are available, load those instead of the defaults? (instead of what I was thinking, having the user-defined ones overlay the defaults) | 12:54 |
| lbt | add to the defaults really | 12:54 |
| lbt | it would be rare to do anything else | 12:54 |
| Sleepy_Coder | then it would really be just pcall(require, '~/.sbrules') at the end of the file :3 | 12:54 |
| Sleepy_Coder | unless you wanted some way to log that user-defined rules were loaded | 12:54 |
| Sleepy_Coder | pcall() is protected call, so that errors are gracefully not propagated (like if require() files on a nonexistant file) | 12:55 |
| Sleepy_Coder | fails on* :S | 12:55 |
| lbt | OK | 12:56 |
| Sage | phaeron1: will you forward the spectacle to Mer:Tools:Testing as well? | 12:56 |
| lbt | so my only lua coding has been duplicating chunks of code and changing values | 12:56 |
| iekku | lbt, thanks for chairing the bug triage | 12:57 |
| lbt | iekku: np | 12:57 |
| Sleepy_Coder | He was so professionable about it too, very quick :] | 12:57 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: I wouldn't know how to add a rule into emulate_mode_rules for example | 12:57 |
| Sleepy_Coder | wow my keyboard is fighting me | 12:57 |
| phaeron1 | Sage: ok , I am trying to fix some of the testing tools builds | 12:58 |
| Sleepy_Coder | lbt: table.insert(emulate_mod_rules_usr_bin, { path = '/usr/bin/some_executable', func_name = ".*exec.*", actions = accelerated_program_actions }) I think | 12:59 |
| Sage | phaeron1: k | 13:00 |
| Sleepy_Coder | problem is I see this table at the end describing the default rule and I'm not sure if the position in the table "emulate_mod_rules_usr_bin" is important | 13:00 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: yeah, that's the kind of thing - probably is :/ | 13:00 |
| Sleepy_Coder | lbt: if the order of the rules aren't important, then you can table.insert() more rules (as the emulate_mod_rules_usr_bin table exists when you pcall()-require() in your rules), if the default rule has to be the last rule of the table (which would make sense) then you can insert your custom rules at the beginning of the table: table.insert(emulate_mod_rules_usr_bin, 1, { path = '/usr/bin/some_executable', func_name = ".*exec.*", | 13:02 |
| Sleepy_Coder | actions = accelerated_program_actions }) | 13:02 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: is there a -2 ? | 13:02 |
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| lbt | eg insert at end-1 | 13:02 |
| Sleepy_Coder | I don't believe you can insert relationally from the end, I shall consult the oracle (docs) | 13:03 |
| lbt | anyhow... Sleepy_Coder ... your task is to make a patch :) | 13:03 |
| lbt | we have to get you something to do ... | 13:03 |
| Sleepy_Coder | I must see where emulate_mod_rules_usr_bin is used :p | 13:03 |
| Sleepy_Coder | This is a riddle I must solve now :] | 13:04 |
| Sleepy_Coder | Also, you can't insert at -2 from the back | 13:04 |
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| Sleepy_Coder | because in lua you can have negative indices | 13:04 |
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| lbt | ! | 13:04 |
| Sleepy_Coder | (also Lua "arrays" which are hashes with numeric keys, start at 1 for their first element) :> | 13:04 |
| phaeron1 | Sage: lbt SR#4882 | 13:05 |
| lbt | funny ... my mind was doing "for each in keys.sorted" :) | 13:05 |
| Sleepy_Coder | some_table = { [1] = 'dog', [2] = 'cat', [3] = 'horse' } is the same as: some_table = { 'dog', 'cat', 'horse' } | 13:05 |
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| Sleepy_Coder | you can have an index at 0 and in the negative but things like: for key, value in ipairs(some_table) will produce an iterator function that walks along the table starting at index 1 | 13:06 |
| Sleepy_Coder | er, the ipairs() part :> | 13:06 |
| Sleepy_Coder | where is emulate_mod_rules_usr_bin used? :D | 13:06 |
| sroedal | interesting for the vivaldi? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwNDU | 13:06 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 13:06 | |
| sroedal | kms even, might be a good foundation for bringing wayland there | 13:06 |
| sroedal | and GEM buffers | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 13:07 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: in the depths | 13:07 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-2.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm, I found it on http://192.168.129.140/package/binaries?package=qt-mobility&project=home%3Ahuanzq%3Agstreamer-1036&repository=MerDS_Core_armv7l | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ok, now try to make an image | 13:08 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs/blob/master/modes/sdk-install/fs_rules.lua#L216 | 13:08 |
| Sleepy_Coder | lbt: checking out that repo now to make my modifications :3 (be prepared, I am not on understandable terms with git) | 13:08 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: still the same error | 13:08 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: "unable to initialize libusb: -99" on N900 | 13:08 |
| Sage | when doing lsusb | 13:08 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: maybe I should clean up something? | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: hmm | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: not -too- surprising | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ok, and 1.2.0-2.1 is nwo in the repository too? | 13:10 |
| lbt | phaeron1: who the hell added a .pl file to spectacle ? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | now | 13:10 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: it seems not, only libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm there | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: hmmm | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: is the publish flag on for home:huanzq:gstreamer-1036 ? | 13:12 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: publish flag? | 13:12 |
| phaeron1 | lbt: not me :) | 13:12 |
| lbt | phaeron1: I know ... you're way too sane | 13:12 |
| lbt | the whole damn thing is written in python and .... nm... | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: in "repositories" tab? | 13:13 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: enable | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: hmm | 13:14 |
| Sleepy_Coder | lbt: what uses these lua scripts? :o they set up these tables for what tool? | 13:14 |
| lbt | scratchbox2 | 13:14 |
| Sleepy_Coder | tables containing the mapping rules | 13:14 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I found the repo libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm, 2012-May-21 19:38:57 | 13:15 |
| Sleepy_Coder | oic | 13:15 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: it seems the time is not right | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: odd,, wonder why it's not publishing the package | 13:15 |
| Sleepy_Coder | lbt: I need to find where in scratchbox these tables containing the rule mappings are used (just so I can be sure about the default rule being the last one in each table) | 13:15 |
| Sleepy_Coder | oic | 13:16 |
| Sleepy_Coder | ahh I should consult grep more | 13:16 |
| lbt | :) | 13:16 |
| lbt | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/scratchbox2.git;a=summary fyi | 13:16 |
| * lbt afk for a bit | 13:17 | |
| Sleepy_Coder | kk :) | 13:17 |
| * Sleepy_Coder wonders if this Lauri Leukkunen person has an internet presence in here | 13:20 | |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: at Build Service > Projects > home:huanzq:gstreamer-1036 > qt-mobility > Files , I see "This package links to the sources of the package qt-mobility of project MerDS:Core:armv7l" | 13:21 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yes, that's what a linkpac does | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | Sleepy_Coder: lauri t. aarnio is the current maintainer | 13:21 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: does this matter? it caused the rpm package doesni | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: no, that's fine | 13:22 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: doesn't upload | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: i wonder why it's not publishing it.. | 13:22 |
| Sleepy_Coder | Stskeeps: name change? I specifically mean Lauri Leukkunen? :o | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ok, osc co home:huanzq:gstreamer-1036 qt-mobility | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | Sleepy_Coder: no, different person | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | there's a lot of lauri's | 13:22 |
| Sleepy_Coder | oic | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: and cd qt-mobility, and osc wipebinaries in there | 13:22 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: osc wipebinaries? | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yes, this causes a rebuild and re-publish | 13:23 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: osc wipebinaries is a command? | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yes | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | do it inside home:huanzq:gstreamer-1036/qt-mobility | 13:26 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes, osc --help|grep wipebinaries, got it | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | pl | 13:26 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 13:26 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I type "osc wipebinaries --all ", "--all" is needed by osc's option | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ok | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | now wait for it to recompile and check repository | 13:37 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I think there is something wrong. I rebuild my qtmobility (not the one linked to MerDS) again, and see libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-2.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm is created, but in the repo, still the old version | 13:40 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: seems my repo cannot update ? | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, something at least looks wrong | 13:41 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: do you guys have wayland 0.85 packaging anywhere? | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | for mer | 14:03 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: after recompile qt-mobility(the one linked to MerDS), the repo is updated, and image is created successfully | 14:08 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: excellent :) | 14:11 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I see the "Last Modified" is 2012-May-21 21:13:03 | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:12 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: maybe the repo update itself for a time delay ? | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | not sure | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | either way, it behaved badly | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | wipebinaries sometiems helps that | 14:13 |
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| Stskeeps | 198 people, woo | 14:13 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I have a look at the repo, it's libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-2.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm, and http://192.168.129.140/package/binaries?package=qt-mobility&project=home%3Ahuanzq%3Agstreamer-1036&repository=MerDS_Core_armv7l, it's http://192.168.129.140/package/binaries?package=qt-mobility&project=home%3Ahuanzq%3Agstreamer-1036&repository=MerDS_Core_armv7l | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:15 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: it's libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-2.2.Mer.armv7l.rpm | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | okay, that's more mysterious | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know, either way, as long as it picks up -your- package | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | let's debug it some other time, may just be a bug because of your OBS version | 14:16 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok. Thank you for your great help and patience. | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | no problem | 14:18 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I have to go home now, It's Beijing time 22:18, see you tomorrow. | 14:18 |
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| mdfe_ | lbt: did you speed-up the build for arm on bpmc? | 15:48 |
| lbt | is it faster now? | 15:48 |
| mdfe_ | imho it is faster as for i586 | 15:49 |
| lbt | err.... yes then, that was me :D | 15:49 |
| mdfe_ | could this be? | 15:49 |
| lbt | the objective of sb2 is to match the speed of 586 | 15:49 |
| lbt | but I don't think anything significant changed recently | 15:50 |
| mdfe_ | I'm really impressed | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | check osc jobhistory to confirm it's actually faster.. | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | i've been cheated by my own perception at times too | 15:50 |
| mdfe_ | I just wonder because the build for calligra is finished on arm before i586 | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | remember also sometimes that some builds don't run tests on arm | 15:51 |
| lbt | is i586 on a slow builder? | 15:51 |
| lbt | you can find uneven job distribution too | 15:52 |
| mdfe_ | maybe, but all three i586 build jobs are still running | 15:52 |
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| Sleepy_Coder | lbt: http://arc4.random.sh/unlisted/0001-Added-a-hook-for-loading-user-defined-fs-rules.patch Things you could do in ~/.sbrules: http://arc4.random.sh/unlisted/.sbrules :x | 16:01 |
| * Sleepy_Coder makes a mental note to plain-text all the mime types :] | 16:01 | |
| Sleepy_Coder | I think... my comment is misleading. The way I wrote it avoids the concatenation of nil and '/.sbrules' | 16:03 |
| Sleepy_Coder | ~anyway~ if you don't like that I an open to more suggestions :x | 16:03 |
| lbt | can I pop the last rule in a table and then re-add it? | 16:04 |
| Sleepy_Coder | yes | 16:04 |
| Sleepy_Coder | table.remove(whatever_table) removes the last rule of the table, and then table.insert(whatever_table, some_value) would push it onto the end of the table again | 16:04 |
| Sleepy_Coder | really like pop and push :) | 16:04 |
| lbt | k | 16:07 |
| Sleepy_Coder | I should say, table.remove() removes the last key-value pair, which is a rule :> | 16:07 |
| Sleepy_Coder | :] | 16:07 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs/blob/master/modes/sdk-install/fs_rules.lua#L383 looks like a triple to me | 16:08 |
| lbt | or is it an enumerated entry pointing to a hash with 3 key/value entries ? | 16:09 |
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| Sleepy_Coder | I'm not sure how it tests for the default rule, it's strange | 16:09 |
| Sleepy_Coder | I was trying to track it in scratchbox | 16:09 |
| Sleepy_Coder | it would make sense if the assumption were just: some_rule_table[#some_rule_table] # is the length operator, so indexing the last element would be the default rule, as simple as that | 16:10 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: you are right, arm build is not faster ( http://pastebin.com/ujwh5gFd ) | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | thought so :) | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | though i'm trying to get it down to 1.5x of i586 time when i can | 16:11 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: but then something with dependecy and rebuild calculation is fishy | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | or simply that ordering were different | 16:11 |
| mdfe_ | ordering? | 16:12 |
| mdfe_ | inside obs? | 16:12 |
| * lbt realises that dependency in rpm doesn't have suggests: or reccomends: | 16:12 | |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: sometimes you can be lucky in terms of what jobs get scheduled | 16:12 |
| mdfe_ | jepp | 16:12 |
| lbt | it's so nice to be back in the 90s :) life was simpler then | 16:12 |
| mdfe_ | but should it does not show a 'blocked'? | 16:13 |
| Sleepy_Coder | remember those lovely rainbow fish people used to make out of aol online discs? | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: btw, one concept i'm brewing on.. ability to do full cross compile of some packages and sb2-like cross compile of others | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | so we can for example do qmake compiles very fast | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | as it's compiling on x86 towards an arm sysroot | 16:14 |
| mdfe_ | without patching every package? | 16:15 |
| Sage | Stskeeps, lbt: somethign went bad with previuos release https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_i586=1&defaults=0&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared&repo_Mer_Core_i486=1&unresolvable=1 ? | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | well, that remains to be seen | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | @$$@! | 16:15 |
| Sage | only i486 | 16:15 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/prjconf?project=home%3Atripzero | 16:16 |
| Sage | it shouldn't happen anymore | 16:17 |
| Sage | the nss patch went in right Stskeeps ? | 16:17 |
| Sage | or did I still screw something up with that | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | i think so | 16:20 |
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| * lbt wonders if we should use suse rpm with 'reccomends:' | 16:22 | |
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| lbt | hmmm ... how come git has been building OK despite having python2.6 hardcoded into the install paths? | 17:03 |
| lbt | Sage: do we have a %{_libdir} for python ? | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | until now, perhaps | 17:04 |
| lbt | it could have been failed before and I didn't notice I guess | 17:05 |
| Sage | lbt: there is %{_python_site_path} or something if that is what you meant | 17:05 |
| lbt | Sage: yep - that sounds sensible | 17:05 |
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| lbt | %{_libdir}/python2.6/site-packages/git_remote_helpers-0.1.0-py2.6.egg-info | 17:05 |
| lbt | :/ | 17:05 |
| Sage | just can't recall the exact name | 17:06 |
| lbt | I'll look | 17:06 |
| Sage | IIRC it points to site-packages dir | 17:07 |
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| lbt | Sage: %python_sitelib I think | 17:22 |
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| CosmoHill | hi lbt | 17:30 |
| lbt | o/ | 17:31 |
| CosmoHill | http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=497480#post497480 | 17:31 |
| CosmoHill | >.< | 17:31 |
| CosmoHill | could be worse, my cousin spends that much alone on insurance | 17:31 |
| lbt | :) | 17:31 |
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| CosmoHill | hey javispedro | 17:44 |
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| v-fox | hi to everyone here too. maybe someone here knows: is it possible (and viable right now) to install Mer/NEMO onto N900's internal flash as the only system ? | 17:55 |
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| lbt | v-fox: it's not sensible | 17:57 |
| v-fox | lbt: how so ? | 17:58 |
| lbt | afair that's the latest advice - check the wiki for more explanation ;) | 17:58 |
| * CosmoHill is having to run his rsync with --existing due to a lack of space on the server | 18:07 | |
| CosmoHill | (his own private server that someone tried to hack this morning) | 18:07 |
| Sage | o_0 tddriver requires ruby... has someone packaged it for mer? | 18:08 |
| lbt | Sage: not yet afaik | 18:09 |
| v-fox | lbt: i haven't asked about viability of installing Nemo onto internal memory, i asked about viability of using Nemo instead of Maemo, that's a separate issue. | 18:09 |
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| v-fox | other question was: if it's even possible to install it onto internal flash ? | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: it is, but it's not easy and not a benefit really | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | also, eMMC, not NAND | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | we're too fat for NAND | 18:11 |
| Sage | lbt: :/ | 18:11 |
| v-fox | Stskeeps: uh, i was afraid you say that :( | 18:11 |
| Sleepy_Coder | lbt: hmm, think I have to go do stuff for a few hours :o let me know if the thing I came up with doesn't work as expected | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | mer might fit but you need a sizeable ui on top | 18:12 |
| Sage | E-P: Starting with the QA packages at https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools%3ATesting | 18:12 |
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| v-fox | Stskeeps: you mean like core system only, not Nemo ? | 18:14 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: I'm probably going to look at that over the next couple of days | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: yeah, for example | 18:14 |
| lbt | I'm redoing some SDK things first | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: why won't you put it on a microsd? tried it out first? | 18:15 |
| lbt | Sage: yeah ... | 18:15 |
| lbt | Sage: which stable ruby I wonder ... we have so many to choose from :) | 18:15 |
| lbt | Sleepy_Coder: also ... ping me for piccies from SF :) | 18:15 |
| * lbt off out ... | 18:15 | |
| Sage | ah, pics. I should get them out of my cam at some point | 18:16 |
| lbt | Sage: alterego was, I think, going to port ruby for MeeGo | 18:16 |
| lbt | so he may well want to suggest a direction for Mer | 18:16 |
| v-fox | Stskeeps: two reasons: 1) i don't have any yet 2) what i really want is "alive", supported and actively maintained OS for day-to-day use, maybe with occasional hacking necessary. and this is proper place for an OS | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: well, i would honestly suggest microsd first then | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | that's how we've developed it | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | because at times, you royally screw up your setup when developing | 18:18 |
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| Sage | lbt: I was pondering of taking packages from fedora as a base | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: integrated my mode fix yet? | 18:20 |
| v-fox | Stskeeps: i get that, but i'm more afraid that if you don't have it now (where it more or less stable and developed), you will decide not to trim it down for NAND or even continue to ignore eMMC, just for historic reasons. i imagine it will be a tough move to try to sqeeze it back to 256Mb now | 18:21 |
| lbt | Sage: yeah - but check with alterego as to what version | 18:21 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes | 18:21 |
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| Sage | lbt: what version? | 18:21 |
| lbt | not tested so not pushded | 18:21 |
| lbt | Sage: 1.9.x | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: nemo's meant as a smartphone system which rarely fits in NAND.. as an example, harmattan is entirely on eMMC | 18:21 |
| ali1234 | v-fox: rootfs on nand was never a particularly good idea in my opinion... yeah ^ | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: in maemo5 there was a lot of trouble with /opt, as an example | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: not saying that you can't build your own setup and put it in NAND, though | 18:22 |
| Sage | lbt: umm... meego had ruby by default | 18:22 |
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| v-fox | Stskeeps: yeah, those 256Mb are... well, look like an odd decision even at N900 launch | 18:22 |
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| Sage | lbt: version 1.8.x | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: well, it doesn't go much bigger NAND wise | 18:23 |
| lbt | Sage: popular but old | 18:23 |
| simon_____ | hi:) Stskeeps: poke ;) | 18:23 |
| ali1234 | how big is a mer core image anyway? | 18:23 |
| lbt | anyhow... gotta go | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | simon_____: hey | 18:23 |
| lbt | o/ | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | simon_____: i've fixed 181, i think | 18:23 |
| simon_____ | really? | 18:23 |
| v-fox | Stskeeps: but is there a chance that at least eMMC installation be fully supported when stuff will stabilize to some degree ? | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | simon_____: yes, it might be stuck in a submission somewhere atm | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: there's nothing stopping anyone from doing emmc but you do need sufficient clue in order to do it | 18:24 |
| simon_____ | Stskeeps: that would be great | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | simon_____: however | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | simon_____: your module doesn't built | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | d | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | does mer even have what you could call an installer? | 18:24 |
| simon_____ | Stskeeps: oops | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: such as making your own nemo image | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: not really, for x86 we have one, but it's really over in hw adaptation domain | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | makes sense | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: .. if you have sufficient clue, i'll gladly help you through the steps | 18:25 |
| simon_____ | Stskeeps: well it is the first time building with nemo. With meego it built fine. | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | simon_____: what kernel was that on? | 18:25 |
| simon_____ | Stskeeps: meego netbook ia 32 | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | version that is | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | simon_____: could you get me a kernel version? :P | 18:26 |
| simon_____ | yep just a sec | 18:26 |
| Sage | lbt: well, I would pick the latest stable which is 1.9.x we should use that anyway | 18:26 |
| v-fox | Stskeeps: and as of right now i'm afraid to brick my device.. damn, i'm afraid it's already damaged: i just bought it, and damn thing doesn't recognised "wall" charger and agrees to charge from USB, only after i charged battery once externally :/ | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | simon_____: http://pastie.org/3945948 | 18:26 |
| simon_____ | Stskeeps: 2.6.37.6-13.2 | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | simon_____: ok, and we're on 3.0 now | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: is it a nokia wall charger? | 18:27 |
| v-fox | Stskeeps: yes | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | stupid charger problems :( | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: if you can externally charge battery it's really damn hard to brick the n900, unless you do something really stupid | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | such as overwriting nolo or CAL area | 18:28 |
| simon_____ | Stskeeps: yep, typical build errors, I had that already when building different kernel versions on meego, so I will fix it alright. | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: any chance you could take in my fix for NEMO#181 | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:28 |
| v-fox | Stskeeps: but if its circuiry already broken so BME or whatever battery controlling mechanism is acting weird, it's already broken and i have to return/fix it first. spoiling OS or some bootloader wouldn't be wise right now :( | 18:30 |
| v-fox | circuitry* | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: that's correct - anyway, got a PC by chance? | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: you can try out nemo on there too, virtualbox | 18:30 |
| dm8tbr | kvm/qemu should work too :) | 18:30 |
| ali1234 | did anyone attempt x64 builds? ;) | 18:31 |
| v-fox | Stskeeps: but i don't want to just try it out. as i said, i want "current" system for my portable :) and, from what i gather, it's only Mer/Nemo now | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: i'm pondering x32 some day | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: :nod: i know, but i am also trying to give you a proper awareness of it :) | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: and i'm saying, please try it out on microsd before risking anything :) | 18:32 |
| ali1234 | v-fox: you should try it, before you decide you really want it :) | 18:32 |
| simon_____ | Stskeeps: i guess until Sage didn't integrated your fix into x64 adaptation I cannot build it? | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | simon_____: didn't say that :) you can just branch kernel-adaptation-pc and add my fix, it's really simple | 18:33 |
| v-fox | Stskeeps: i will certanily try it when i get my hands on SD, but i really hoping for more than just trying and hacking at some point sometime | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | v-fox: sure, we all do | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | simon_____: http://pastie.org/3945984 | 18:34 |
| dm8tbr | and it is usable for daily usage :) | 18:34 |
| ali1234 | v-fox: oh yeah... btw, you needn't worry about "support" for eMMC - because it's exactly the same as the SD card slot, just soldered to the board | 18:34 |
| ali1234 | which means it doesn't need "support" - it's just harder to fix if something goes wrong | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | it's just you need to set up extra swap, etc | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | and do some stuff newbies don't traditionally do | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | it's somewhat difficult for some to recover from a emmc install, so | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | and most want emmc for the wrong reasons | 18:35 |
| v-fox | ali1234: yes, but i more concerned about making sure it will boot afterwards :) | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | v-fox: what exactly do you mean by that? | 18:35 |
| v-fox | and that system from NAND will not be screwing with it | 18:35 |
| vgrade | evening | 18:35 |
| simon_____ | Stskeeps: sounds good, I'm gonna start right away, 1000 bows! | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | v-fox: yeah see that's the tricky part... NAND syste relies on the eMMC being the way it is now | 18:36 |
| v-fox | ali1234: by default eMMC used for /home /opt and fat32 data partition, right ? | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | v-fox: right. and if you don't care about blowing all that away completely, then eMMC install should be trivial... it's keeping the existing system intact that is tricky | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: get a microsd and use u-boot, that's probably sanest, but honestly, you should get battery issue fixed first | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | wall charger is your rescue | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | spare battery doesn't hurt either | 18:38 |
| * dm8tbr pointed out the meego wiki page on emmc install already on the nemo channel, jftr | 18:38 | |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: no, I don't - would you like me to make the answer "not yet" instead? | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: ah, just checking so i didn't have to package it up :) | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | i have ancient wayland snapshot, so | 18:38 |
| Bostik | I should be able to make a decent one in a day or so | 18:39 |
| Bostik | hence the question | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | alright then | 18:39 |
| v-fox | ali1234: this is why i concerned, that it will go horribly wrong :) i don't really want using and having 2 systems, i'm fine with 1, even if it's a bit undone. of course, if it's very undone, it's not an option | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: microsd and u-boot is the sanest then, i have a n900 without usb port | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | and i use that approach | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: i'm hoping that we perhaps can do things like mesa-llvmpipe-x11 mesa-llvmpipe-wayland in default config, so it's possible to do wayland experiments quite easily | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | on framebuffer | 18:40 |
| v-fox | but here's the question: is it even planned to be "production-ready"/solely-used ? | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: we went towards day-to-day use but there's still a lot of rough edges, mer is meant to be production ready, nemo, well, polishing a handset stack takes time | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't meant as a experiment only | 18:41 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: hmmm... I'll bite - it may take a day or two but I have some material from other projects around which I could use as a reference for myself.. | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | but open source projects have limits, such as codecs | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | so to have a complete end user experience, you'd have to see it commercialized | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | which i have no idea if will ever happen | 18:42 |
| ali1234 | well it's unlikely to happen for n900... | 18:43 |
| ali1234 | who would be crazy enough to try to sell an after-market OS image? | 18:43 |
| iekku | nice to see so much new people here | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | on top of that, you can't for n900 | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | the blobs come with a non-commercial clause | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | so.. | 18:44 |
| v-fox | Stskeeps: this is why codecs should be in separate repo or something like that, and some payment system should be established beetwen patent-holders and end-users. this is really an unnerving issue for me, as a Russian citizen, since codec patenting has no legal meaning. | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: yeah.. well, so it goes | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: anyway, if you're willing to learn, the ui and core is all open for you to hack | 18:48 |
| ali1234 | v-fox: that's why mer is so limited in scope... just totally avoid all that mess and let someone else worry about it :) | 18:49 |
| v-fox | Stskeeps: i do. but it's too bad i can't start putting data onto my device from the clean slice of modern OS :( | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: the SEP field is strong in mer indeed | 18:49 |
| ali1234 | thus enabling some actual work to be done instead of worrying about it all the time | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: just trust me on this one.. microsd and u-boot | 18:49 |
| ali1234 | i have to concur | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's the far safest | 18:50 |
| ali1234 | SD card isn't exactly expensive or difficult to obtain | 18:50 |
| ali1234 | not compared with a N900 anyway | 18:50 |
| v-fox | Stskeeps: ok, but you too, please, don't abandon the idea of using Mer/Nemo on N900 in "solo" | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: of course | 18:52 |
| ali1234 | v-fox: like i said. "solo" mode is easy | 18:52 |
| ali1234 | it's dual booting from eMMC that is hard | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: we're just saying, start out on a microsd :) | 18:52 |
| ali1234 | and you don't want solo mode yet. | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: i'd like mer + some ui to fit in NAND too, and do featurephone like experiments on it at some point too | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | simply because there'll be devices that need that small kind of thing | 18:52 |
| ali1234 | heh. i'd love something that can run on my HTC wizard :) | 18:53 |
| ali1234 | it has 320x240 and no GPU at all | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: got linux kernel for it? | 18:53 |
| ali1234 | sure | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | how ancient? | 18:53 |
| ali1234 | extremely | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | ti omap 850? wow | 18:53 |
| ali1234 | 2.6.29 or something | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah, 32 or above for mer | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | we have secrit google patches too :) | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | but not much interest in fixing them up, since there's really nothing interesting to run on it, as everything needs GPU and 100GB RAM these days | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:54 |
| v-fox | ali1234: well, yeah, <200$ for N900, ~30$ for 32Gb class 10 microSD. but i have to wait untill it arrives :) local shops are damn greedy | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zVPOEmOVnQ | 18:55 |
| ali1234 | but if we got back to some even more ancient kernel (like 2.6.8 or something) then we have full implementation for all hardware | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: 4gb will be more than enough | 18:55 |
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| v-fox | Stskeeps: can i share Nemo with data or it will take over entire SD ? | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: if you make your own images (install mer platform sdk, build them yourself) you can do whatever you want | 18:57 |
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| v-fox | Stskeeps: but will i be able to update them from repos... there are binary update repos right ? | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: there's binary update repos yes | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | generally we say one sd = one image | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | but if you want to share with other os'es, you can do that too | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | at expense of more work to do | 18:58 |
| v-fox | Stskeeps: i really not keen on the idea of opening device's back cover too much. so if i will be able to use repos, i will go through trouble of preparing images and card for it | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | v-fox: :nod: | 18:59 |
| v-fox | but then i still need some good, big card | 18:59 |
| ali1234 | the back cover is touch as nails | 19:00 |
| ali1234 | *tough | 19:00 |
| ali1234 | it's the USB port you have to be careful with | 19:00 |
| v-fox | for now i'm more afraid for entire power circuitry... | 19:01 |
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| v-fox | this "not charging" message is one of stupidest and scariest computer things i have ever seen | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | the USB stuff was another odd mistake | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | mind you, same thing happened with a lot of phone recently | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | not least one of the lumias | 19:03 |
| ali1234 | smart charging sucks. bring back nicads i say | 19:03 |
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| ali1234 | ah found it. Stskeeps, remember these pics? http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/20091206_002.jpg http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/20091206_003.jpg | 19:06 |
| ali1234 | http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/20091206_004.jpg | 19:07 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: flashback from the past, yeah | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | hey csdb_home, was good seeing you on tizen conference :) sorry for it being so short though | 19:13 |
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| v-fox | big thanks to you all ! i will get back to you, once i make some progres with getting acquainted better with the device :) | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to hang out :) | 19:15 |
| ali1234 | ping me if you need u-boot help :) | 19:16 |
| v-fox | i will :) bye! | 19:16 |
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| csdb_home | Stskeeps, good to see you too. funny how we all suffer the same obs problems | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | csdb_home: which reminds me, i should be e-mailing dominique.. | 19:35 |
| csdb_home | I only took a quick look @ the tizen build instructions, but from the looks of it they have again reinvented the workaround-obs-for-proper-embedded-dev wheel | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | did you see their 'gbs' yet? | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | that one is more intruiging | 19:35 |
| csdb_home | quickly | 19:35 |
| csdb_home | it seems similar to what we did, only we extended the obs built-in commands | 19:36 |
| csdb_home | we have "osc bcm_mkpac, osc bcm_co, osc bcm_commit, osc bcm_build" etc... | 19:36 |
| csdb_home | which glue git+obs | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:37 |
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| Stskeeps | that's true, you could easily have extended osc | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | we were thinking to submit mer-ish git format to gbs.. now i wonder if plugins are better | 19:38 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=qttas&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools%3ATesting&repository=Mer_Core_i486 | 19:41 |
| csdb_home | I think I can put our extensions up on github if you want to take a look | 19:41 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: sync fail? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | csdb_home: could be cool | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i just accidentially pressed sleep button on my laptop, will look tomorrow | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | sleep button = death on my laptop | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:42 |
| csdb_home | Stskeeps, ok. I'll try to do that this week. today is a holiday and I don't feel like logging into work :) | 19:42 |
| csdb_home | lunchtime for me. ttyl | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | csdb_home: sure, enjoy :) | 19:42 |
| Sage | have choice for pkgconfig(QtCore): libqt-devel qt5-qtcore-devel | 19:42 |
| Sage | hmmp... will face that with a lot of packages with this new release I guess. | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: prjconf out of sync maybe | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | there should be a prefer | 19:44 |
| Sage | ah, the first one with i486 just needed rebuild | 19:45 |
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| smoku | qttas? | 19:51 |
| * smoku is _literally_ ROTFL | 19:51 | |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 19:52 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: http://sjp.pwn.pl/szukaj/kutas | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 19:53 |
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| tripzero | hmm | 19:54 |
| tripzero | i see omap4 pvr armhf binaries but no omap3? | 19:55 |
| tripzero | :( | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | tripzero: use mer armv7l | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | i dont think omap3 armhf libs exist | 19:55 |
| tripzero | :( | 19:55 |
| tripzero | i don't think so either | 19:56 |
| tripzero | which is kinda sad | 19:56 |
| tripzero | Stskeeps, if I want to use the ubuntu kernel, i just need to copy the stuff from /boot and /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VERSION right? | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:00 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: I found a way of re-enabling wifi in ideapad | 21:06 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: enter bios setup, disable wifi, save, poweroff, poweron, enter setup, enable wifi, save, poweroff | 21:07 |
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| CosmoHill | smoku: sounds like a titbit that should be on the wiki | 21:10 |
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| smoku | CosmoHill: which wiki? | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | you've got me there | 21:10 |
| rcg1 | smoku: lenovo ideapad? | 21:11 |
| smoku | rcg1: yes | 21:11 |
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| rcg1 | ah ic, dunno what they do with these things nowadays.. | 21:12 |
| tadzik | huh, what is "kutas" doing here on the channel | 21:12 |
| rcg1 | smoku: once had a situation in which i needed to install windows in order to enable the damn wifi with the lenovo application.. nothing else worked | 21:12 |
| smoku | rcg1: I was afraid I would need to do it too | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | isn't that bug well known? | 21:13 |
| rcg1 | the hw kill switch just did not work until i found some pretty hidden setting in one of these lenovo windows apps | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | that you have to reset the bios from time to time when wifi stops working? (usually after pulling the battery) | 21:14 |
| rcg1 | ali1234: don't know.. to that time it was pretty new to me that you can disable the hw kill switch in software | 21:14 |
| smoku | rcg1: last time I was toying with it, wifi powered on when i flipped this switch to 'off' | 21:14 |
| ali1234 | i think it was on the meego wiki... | 21:14 |
| smoku | rcg1: but after reboot it was gone for good | 21:14 |
| rcg1 | they must have some controller or so sitting in between the hw switch and the bios or whatever | 21:15 |
| rcg1 | smoku: ic .. thats also a "neat" feature | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=13321 | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad#Major_issues | 21:15 |
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| rcg1 | ali1234: ic, hope i recall this if i encounter a similar issue the next time ;) | 21:17 |
| rcg1 | but there was also a similar thing with the toshiba laptop i am currently using here.. you can only enter the bios when you press the corresponding key as long as the toshiba bios screen is shown | 21:18 |
| rcg1 | as a neat feature, disabling the second core yields the screen not being displayed anymore | 21:18 |
| rcg1 | end effect.. needed to get the other hdd with windows and mess with the bios via the windows applications until the problem was fixed | 21:19 |
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