Monday, 2012-05-21

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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: when I use Ubuntu12.04 to create rootfs, but got
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: any ideas about that?02:29
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ali1234ZiQiangHuan: you might wanna tell us what 没有那个文件或目录 means02:36
ZiQiangHuanali1234: I'm sorry for that. it meas: No such file or directory02:37
ali1234hmm... well, looks like it is trying to run some command you don't have?02:38
ali1234possibly also a 32 bit/64 bit issue02:40
ZiQiangHuanali1234: I think so, but cannot find the command it want02:40
ali1234try to run it with strace, it should tell you exactly what OS call failed02:40
ZiQiangHuanali1234: how to run it with strace?02:40
ali1234ie strace -e file <whatever command you ran>02:40
ali1234will spam heavily on stderr02:41
ali1234you might need strace -f -e file to follow child processes as well02:44
ali1234are you using the distro provided versions of mic? cos they are usually very out of date02:45
ZiQiangHuanali1234: my mic version is 0.24.1202:46
ali1234unfortunately i haven't been keeping up with what is the latest version02:47
ZiQiangHuanali1234: my command is
ZiQiangHuanali1234: I just add "strace -f -e" before the command, but got "invalid system call `sudo'"02:50
ali1234sudo strace -f -e file mic-image-creator ...02:51
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ZiQiangHuanali1234:, maybe there is something wrong with python2.703:03
ali1234i doubt it03:04
ali1234but i'm out of ideas03:04
ZiQiangHuanali1234: for ubuntu12.04, kernel's version is 3.2.0-23-generic-pae03:05
ZiQiangHuanali1234: does this matter ?03:06
ZiQiangHuanali1234: I found a link, have any ideas with it?03:07
ali1234yeah, that's it03:07
ZiQiangHuanali1234: but got python-central installed, still not work03:09
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: use Mer platform SDK04:44
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Stskeepsiekku: too ill for bug triage?04:44
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: we don't test mic2 anymore, platform sdk has all tools properly set p04:47
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iekkuStskeeps, was just thinking about that. i wasn't at computer yesterday and noticed in the middle of the night that i haven't send the invitation04:49
iekkui think i will manage to handle that04:49
Stskeepsiekku: :nod: i can do it if you're not feeling well, anybody's able to have a sick day :)04:49
iekkui will send the invitation soon04:50
* Stskeeps offers iekku hot tea05:01
iekkuthanks :)05:01
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: sdk have any relation with mer repo's version?05:13
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: no, it'll do old mer images fine05:14
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok, I'll try it. And I'll follow the link, right?05:21
Stskeepsit's a bit different from mic2 but a lot saner05:22
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I think mic2 does not work well with python2.7 in Ubuntu12.04, I see some python2.6 in the /usr/share/pyshared/mic/utils/
Stskeepsthat's why we do platform sdk, we're sure all components are correct version in there05:27
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E-Pgood morning05:31
Stskeepsmorn E-P :)05:34
Stskeepsand congrats on the new title05:34
E-PStskeeps: thank you, I am sorry that I miss the meeting05:34
E-PI was at the countryside the last 4 days05:35
Stskeepshehe, participation isn't mandatory :)05:35
Stskeepshopefully you had a sunny weekend05:35
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok, sonach told me he try to make rootfs with sdk some days ago, but failed.05:36
E-Ppartly yes, finally summer coming05:36
E-PStskeeps: how are you? how was your conference/presentation?05:37
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: alright, we should debug that05:38
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: you mean the latest sdk will work well for me?05:39
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: it should, if it doesn't, that's an error and we need to fix it :)05:39
StskeepsE-P: was a small n9 user-techie group meeting with ~25 people, my talk went fine even though i don't speak polish -- 10 hours total transport time there and back.. i go by the reasoning that if i gain even one contributor putting in 1-2 hours a day or someone recommending mer etc to someone else, it's more worth than the cost it takes me to go there05:40
E-Pnice to hear, and it shouldn't be always about the money :)05:44
Stskeepswell even with money in mind the equation works out ;)05:44
Stskeepsoh, the tizen OBS is open05:45
Stskeepsdamnit, ldap users only..05:46
timophcan you synch that to another obs05:47
Stskeepsworking on it..05:47
E-Pheh :)05:47
Stskeepswell, at least checking out what's there05:47
timophmakes sense to track what's going on there05:48
timophbtw, how tied the tizen web runtime is to the rest of the stack05:49
timophas in how difficult it would be to slap the run time on top of mer05:49
Stskeepsvery good question05:49
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timophat least imo it would be a great thing to have in for example nemo. That would put Qt and html5 on pretty equal ground on nemo giving opening up new application development possibilities05:56
Stskeepsyeah, the trouble is the backend i think05:57
Stskeepsi'm not going to invest time in it myself but tizen is publishing .src.rpms for people to try05:57
timophI'm thinking about experimenting with it after the summit and other things calm down05:58
timophand my summer vacation starts after the summit too :)05:59
timophdid you find sources for the gbs tool?06:00
Stskeepsyes, it's in tools/ dir on download.tizen.org06:00
* timoph grabs06:00
E-Pwhat is gbs tool?06:01
timophStskeeps: thanks06:02
E-Ptimoph: thanks, looking06:03
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: with sdk, bootstrap is still needed ?06:04
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: no, in sdk, the sdk is the bootstrap06:04
timophseem they're still missing some features. Would be nice if it was developed in a public git so people could contribute..06:04
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok06:05
timophor at least track the upstream version..06:05
Stskeepstimoph: file a bug for it06:05
Stskeepsfrom my perspective, the less platform tools we maintain the better / the less NIH we can do, that is06:06
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Stskeepsmorn niqt06:09
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I use mic create fs tvos-0.1.20120331.0.ks --cachedir=rpms --outdir=/home/xiaohuan/work/Mer/tvos-01.20120331.0 --arch=armv7l --pkgmgr=yum, got error
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: cat /proc/mounts please06:23
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: can i see the .ks?06:25
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok.
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: okay, could i ask you to do a reboot and try again?06:28
Stskeepssometimes the switch from mic2 to mic leaves odd traces :)06:29
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok, reboot ubuntu, right?06:29
* timoph predicts wontfix06:32
Stskeepsi wouldn't be so sure06:32
Stskeepsmic is in github, intel has, etc..06:32
Stskeepsif it was a samsung tool, i would have more doubts..06:33
timophand they're really trying to get some community involvement going on around tizen and this would be little thing for it06:33
Stskeepsmy personal aim is collaborate on what we can, sharing component effort, though remain seperate06:35
timophyep. I fully agree on that06:35
Stskeepsbtw, saw me talking about benchmarks on friday?06:37
Stskeepsi was wondering if we had stuff like benchmarking image loading06:37
timophmissed that06:37
E-Phmm.. mwts had some tests for image loading06:38
E-Pbut I don't remember was there any benchmarking tests06:38
* timoph bought diablo 3 so was kinda busy :p06:38
E-PStskeeps: can you show log from your discussion?06:39
Stskeepsah, global productivity breakdown06:39
StskeepsE-P: nothing much really, it wasn't a discussion, just me talking :)06:39
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: still seems not work06:39
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: OK, i'll wait for sage to wake up then06:39
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok06:40
E-PStskeeps: what to benchmark, loading a image file (jpg, png etc) from the memory card and showing on the screen?06:40
E-Pusing qt or something else?06:40
StskeepsE-P: yes, for example06:41
Stskeepshi goldy06:41
E-Pthe mwts test is for qt, so it would be easy to add measuring feature06:41
StskeepsE-P: i'm pondering how we could better advertise the performance of Mer, eventually compare with other stacks so06:41
Stskeepsie, for marketing purpose06:41
E-Pqt and html5 performance tests06:42
Stskeepsfor example, yeah06:42
goldyis nemo 100% working06:42
w00tQt already has a shedload of benchmarks, you can probably look into reusing those (I'm not sure an image benchmark exists, but writing one wouldn't be too hard)06:42
w00tsee tests/benchmarks/06:42
E-Pgood idea06:43
timophso get some manager friendly benchmark charts out?06:43
Stskeepstimoph: yes, my benchmark bar is longer than yours, etc..06:43
Stskeepsgoldy: best to try it out yourself on a microsd with u-boot first06:43
w00ttests/benchmarks/gui/image/qimagereader exists06:44
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Stskeepsgoldy: if it was working 100% we'd be selling it on devices today06:44
goldyi tried but its not fully functional06:44
Stskeepsthen you have your answer06:44
goldyafter a month06:45
goldywhat is status06:45
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Stskeepsmorn pirut :)06:46
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E-PI will create a task bug for the image loader benchmark06:50
E-PStskeeps: you copied the meego test data to somewhere?06:52
Stskeepsyes, i have it mirrored06:53
pirutStskeeps: hey !06:53
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E-PStskeeps: good, and what web engine mer has? qt webkit?07:00
StskeepsE-P: yeah, qt webkit is probably what we will benchmark on07:00
Stskeepswe don't mandate qt or qt webkit though07:00
Stskeepsso we don't say it's 'the' webkit engine :)07:00
E-PI made some benchmark tests for qt webkit, but they are not public, so I have re-create them :)07:03
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: remove the --cachedir=rpms, then the error disappered07:05
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: but another error Error <creator>: Failed to build transaction : libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.15.Mer.armv7l requires
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ah, ok07:06
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: first, sdk does not support --cachedir?07:06
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: it might, but it might need full path i guess07:06
Stskeepsthat looks like a bug though07:07
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: full path? I have a test with --cachedir=fullpath/rpms, right?07:07
Stskeeps /fullpath/rpms, yes07:07
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: isn't one of the gst- things you built with libgstphotography ?07:08
Stskeepsperhaps it managed not to get built, and is built in mer07:08
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I just build gstreamer0.10.36 gst-plugins-base-0.10.36 gst-plugins-good-0.10.31 gst-plugins-bad-0.10.2307:09
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok, let me take a look07:10
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: gst-plugins-bad-free is the one that should enable
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: qtmultimediakit need
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: why it need bad plugins, I'll have a look at my bad plugins spec file07:14
rozhkovE-P: please have a look at the repo contains one working functional test case07:15
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: photography on mobile devices07:15
E-Prozhkov: thanks, looks good07:19
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I have it built already07:23
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I have %{_libdir}/*  in part %file07:25
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: hmmm07:25
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: and %{_libdir}/  in %file devel07:26
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: rpm2cpio gst-plugins-bad*.rpm | cpio -idv and see if it's there?07:26
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: gst-plugins-bad-free-0.10.23-1.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm or gst-plugins-bad-free-devel-0.10.23-1.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm?07:27
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: in gst-plugins-bad*-devl, only -> there07:30
Stskeepsis in the not devel rpm?07:32
ZiQiangHuanit is there07:32
ZiQiangHuanbut is found by qtmutimedia07:33
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok, so you have both gst-plugins-bad and gst-plugins-bad-free?07:34
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes07:35
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: in fact, gst-plugins-bad-free is gst-plugins-bad07:35
* Stskeeps ponders07:35
Stskeepsdid you package -bad yourself?07:35
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I just use the spec file of gst-plugins-bad-free07:35
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I download it from gstreamer net07:36
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: the problem might be that the two packages aren't compatible, as qt mobility is built against one of the versions that has a valid
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: can I create a link in somewher07:37
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Stskeepscan we try to avoid having gst-plugins-bad just temporarily? and just gst-plugins-bad-free07:37
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: in fact, because I want to use mpegtsdemux element in the new version of gst-plugins-bad07:41
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: yes, i just want to check image creation goes through :)07:41
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok07:43
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I comment it in ks file07:43
Stskeepsright, it just shouldn't pick it up from your repo07:44
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: image creation goes successfully07:47
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: btw, how can I deal with the, any suggestions?07:48
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: well, frankly, re-enable the non-free plugins in mer's bad-free08:13
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: in fact is not a gst plugin, but a *.so lib08:15
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: yes08:15
lbtmorning all08:15
Stskeepsmorn lbt08:15
Stskeepslbt: i might have up-to-date sb2 ruleset for sdk, want to test?08:15
lbtso .. SDK today08:15
lbtyes, sounds good08:15
* Stskeeps ponders what pizza to order today08:16
* lbt is just waiting for coffee machine to warm up...08:16
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Stskeepsgood morning slaine :)08:25
slainemorning Stskeeps08:25
slaineSomething pretty weird going on here today08:25
Stskeepsit's sunshine and everything is working?08:26
slaineThe sky seems to have turned blue and gone up really high, it's usually quiet close and dark grey08:26
Stskeepsah, so a irish miracle08:26
slainesunshine, that's it. I heard my grandfather talk about it once. Wow08:27
* lbt passes slaine the factor 50 ...08:27
slainethat red glow isn't a good thing then08:27
slaineI just thought it was my Vitamin D factories turning on08:28
iekkuslaine, the winter isn't coming?08:28
lbtthink of it as cheap exfoliation08:28
slainelbt, lol08:28
slaineiekku: I think we're just getting ready for the next grey sky08:28
slaineRight, coffee, mail, code08:29
Stskeepslbt: broke something in there, dk-install/fs_rules.lua , line 207, add a ',' after "08:31
Stskeepserr, 20308:31
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Stskeepsand then things should be OK again08:40
lbt*nod* ... just sorting out a couple of issues08:41
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Stskeepstimoph: did we ever get far with SDK tests?08:59
dcthangStskeeps: Do we have emulator for the SDK?09:01
timophStskeeps: not really09:06
Stskeepsdcthang: use virtualbox + x86 mer09:07
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Stskeepsdcthang: no need for an emulator :)09:08
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dcthangStskeeps: ok, thanks FYI :)09:31
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slaineWhats the best way to get my local snapshot of Mer to reimport/rebuild for MerDS ?09:33
slaineI updated my MerDS over the weekend and wanted to kick off a rebuild09:34
Stskeepsslaine: updatesstorm usually09:34
slaineThat's via the mds tools right, it does that to pull down the updated Mer packages09:34
Stskeepsit signals to remote obs things have changed09:35
slaineWow, so it did09:36
slaineI assumed I'd have to delete/reimport09:37
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Stskeepsyeah.. it's not perfect however09:37
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Stskeepsit doesn't add new packages/removeo ld09:37
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slaineIs there a way to use osc to delete the packages in a project ?09:38
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slaineI've tried osc del Mer:Core:i586 * but it's not working09:38
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slainemust have missed that one09:39
* slaine goes check09:39
Sagelbt, Stskeeps: no git in mer sdk?09:57
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Sageah, not git-core but git :)09:58
Sagelbt, Stskeeps: known problem?09:59
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: for gst-plugins-bad's new version, they use to replace, so maybe qt-moblility have to be rebuild09:59
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Sagelbt: ok10:19
Sagelbt, Stskeeps: i'll tag spectacle version 0.24 today and we can take it to our use.10:24
lbtdid we have some outstanding bugs ?10:26
lbtI could be thinking of mic10:26
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SageThis is mainly cleanup thing but at least your macros changes are in this release lbt10:28
lbtOK, ta - we may need to start thinking about minimal tool versions for some of the upcoming version numbering changes10:29
lbtping Sleepy_Coder ... when you're awake :)10:30
Sagelbt, Stskeeps, phaeron1:
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lbtnm - it links to the right place :)10:31
lbtMer git repository needs updating at some point10:31
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phaeron1Sage: can you please SR to Project:MINT:Testing10:34
phaeron1Sage: or I can copypac it10:35
phaeron1if it is built somewhere10:35
SageI don't have rpm for it atm. I can do SR sure10:35
phaeron1ok then I can update the one in use in boss10:35
lbtjust wondering phaeron110:35
lbtshould this be in MINT or in Tools now?10:35
lbt(ie do we support it in non-Mer distros?)10:36
phaeron1lbt: it is in both10:36
lbtI'm thinking it should be in Tools as a primary location10:36
phaeron1I need it in mint repo for the process10:36
lbtshould MINT be a link ?10:36
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lbtkinda spooky since it would be SR'ed to Tools and would need to veruify a build in MINT against Suse/Debian to accept it :)10:37
lbtfor now - jfdi .... just made me ponder a bit is all10:38
phaeron1yeah. I converted a link/aggregate of erlang yesterday to a copy because it was broken for no reason (obviously bug)10:38
lbtwell, I wont start on it now (taking a break to do SDK) but I found that copyprj was writing version updates to the *src* source ...10:39
phaeron1hmm ?!10:39
phaeron1are you sure you didn't reverse the polarity or something10:39
lbteither that or I crossed the beams10:40
lbtanyhow... just mentioning it as another wtf10:40
phaeron1well I spent yesterday moving the vms to the quad core and dding lvms to that hdd so I can work faster10:41
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phaeron1there is no lvmove or lvmigrate I could find10:41
lbtdd is usually just as quick10:41
* lbt is now a dd over socat fan10:41
phaeron1no for a 30GB lvm that contains 2Gb data it does a lot of zero writes10:42
lbtah - rsync10:42
phaeron1I just thought there would be a "lvm , please migrate this stuff intellegently"10:42
lbtbetween 2 machines?10:42
phaeron1two pvs10:43
phaeron1or two vgs for that matter10:43
lbtyeah, there is10:43
RaYmAnphaeron1: on "solution" is to resize2fs -M before dd'ing, then resize2fs after dd'ing to new lvm10:43
rozhkovE-P: could you please add qttas-server package to mer? at least the version 1.0.4 is known to work ok10:43
lbtpvmove ?10:43
RaYmAnworkaround more than solution - but it works :>10:43
phaeron1RaYmAn: yeah that would work too :)10:44
phaeron1lbt: didn't work for some obscure reason10:44
* RaYmAn did that for migrating vm's to a new box in an entirely different datacenter10:45
phaeron1and dding a snapshot had interesting effects10:45
phaeron1so I skipped it10:45
phaeron1it ended up trying to be 110% full or something weird like that10:46
lbtbug triage in 15m iekku E-P :)10:46
iekkuhave been waiting for it, then going to bed10:46
* iekku is having fever10:46
lbtI can run it if you like - np10:47
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iekkulbt, thanks. i think it would be good idea, my head doesn't work very well10:48
lbtsure - go sleep :)10:48
iekkuthanks :)10:48
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Stskeepsiekku: hope you feel better10:50
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iekkuStskeeps, hoping that too... maybe tomorrow is better day10:51
Sagephaeron1: SR 488110:54
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lbtphaeron1: we need to start doing proper releases of Mer:Tools too10:58
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lbtanyhow ... bug triage now10:59
Sleepy_Coderlbt: hai-o :-)11:03
lbthey Sleepy_Coder ... just chairing bug triage ...  want to chat lua later ...11:03
Sleepy_CoderI'm open for it :-)  (I haven't gotten into Tizen or Mer seriously just yet because next week is finals at my college)11:04
Sleepy_CoderAnything immediate you want to know?11:04
lbtno :)11:05
Sleepy_CoderI'm not actually busy right now.. :311:05
Sleepy_CoderMostly I've been listening to Glad You Came by The Wanted for the last 5 hours as entertainment :p11:06
StskeepsSleepy_Coder: feel free to sit in on the bug triage in #mer-meeting11:06
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E-Pcool, Mer was mentioned in the Finnish IT magazine,
Stskeepsthough i think the archos G9 is also a quite good target these days11:58
Ronksuwho makes the hardware?11:59
Stskeepsas in, the vivaldi?12:00
Stskeepsit was zenithink based i think12:00
lbtSleepy_Coder: give me 15 min max ...12:03
Ronksucould be a nice device12:03
Sleepy_Coderoh no hurry12:03
Sleepy_Coderlbt: I'm going to be up for the next several hours so, whenever you want to talk about whatever :)12:04
SageE-P: qttas somewhere packaged for Mer already?12:08
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.15.Mer.armv7l is the qt-mobility's package? I rebuild the qt-moblity, how can I make ks file use my qt-mobility?12:08
SageE-P: Some staging packaging would be ok as well, just want to try it out12:09
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: if you make it by a linkpac to the Mer sources, it'll automatically get a higher version number12:09
Sagelbt, phaeron1: Any change you could add e.g. opensuse 12.1 to Project:Tools:Testing ?12:10
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I build qt-mobility with my new version gst libs, build successfully, so I think the problem I met will be solved if I use my built qtmobility12:11
Sageand could someone tell the meaning of the differnet projects :D12:11
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: correct12:11
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: how to linkpac? can I only change ks files ?12:13
phaeron1Sage: done12:13
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: osc -A http://your.obs.api linkpac fakeobs:Core:armv7l qt-mobility your:project12:13
Stskeepsfor example12:13
E-PSage: just a sec12:14
phaeron1Sage: it exploded12:14
Sagephaeron1: :/12:15
Sageso is the Project:Tools:Testing also meant for QA Tools?12:15
Sagebecause those are also there atm.12:15
E-PSage: I think there isn't qttas server for Mer yet12:16
phaeron1this _is_ qa tools. but we would like to move them to Mer:Tools12:16
Sagephaeron1: maybe call it Mer:QA-Tools?12:16
Stskeepsphaeron1: as in, 'this is just an old dump of devel:tests' ?12:16
Sageor Mer:QA:Host and Mer:QA:Client ?12:16
phaeron1Stskeeps: said just Mer:Tools12:17
phaeron1Stskeeps: right ?12:17
SageMer:QA:Client would compile against Mer and host against differnt host OS's?12:17
phaeron1host would ideally be Mer SDK12:17
Stskeepsqa tools should go into Mer:Tools:Testing and then into Mer:Tools yes12:17
StskeepsMer:Tools can also be added to device, afaik12:17
Stskeeps:Testing being 'staging' area12:17
E-Pwe haven't defined that exactly, but something like that yes12:18
SageStskeeps: so both host and client tools would go to Mer:Tools:X ?12:19
Sagefor QA stuff12:19
SageStskeeps: Personally I would separate the stuff or we end up in a mess. Because in Mer:Tools there is e.g., git, kpartx, less etc. that are also in most of the host's12:21
Sageso when someone would want to pick up the QA tools for ubuntu he might accidently pick up something that doesn't work so nicely when doing apt-get update12:22
Sagesyslinux is one of my worries as it messed up some users machines back in meego times when they installed it with mic :P12:22
Sagethus I would suggest Mer:QA:Tools{:Testing}12:23
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps:  I use the command "osc -A linkpac fakeobs:Core:armv7l qt-mobility home:huanzq:gstreamer-1036", right?12:23
lbtSage: 12.1 for tools - OK - but it's still dodgy for OBS12:23
lbtSleepy_Coder: hey12:23
Sleepy_Coderpresent :]12:23
Sleepy_Coderomnipresent, even :p12:24
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: yes, provided the fakeobs is at fakeobs in your system12:24
Stskeepssonach'd know12:24
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: It's 20:24 here, so sonach went home two hours ago12:25
lbtSleepy_Coder: so ... one thing I'm looking to do in our lua is some kind of 'include'12:25
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: yeah, okay12:26
Sleepy_Coderinclude being a direct source inclusion or something fancier than require() in lua?12:26
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: do osc ls and see if it's fakeobs, or Mer.MDS12:26
lbtSleepy_Coder: I'll see if I can show you12:26
SageAfter thinking a while I think we probably should do only Mer SDK approach and forget building tools for each distro separaterly.12:27
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: MerDS12:27
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok, MerDS then12:27
SageIs there any known limitations for Mer SDK that might not work with e.g. QA Tools? cc: E-P ?12:27
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E-POTS might have some issues12:28
Sleepy_CoderI wonder if mer documentation can one day be called merman.12:28
* Sleepy_Coder clickies12:29
lbtSage: I agree :)12:29
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok, seems still not work, should I clean up something?12:29
lbtSleepy_Coder: now this is about adding translation table entries12:29
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: osc ls fakeobs:Core:armv7l ?12:30
E-PSage: eg. setting up virtual machine/device for testing12:30
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I mean linkpac works well12:30
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok, but building doesn't12:30
lbtso /home mapps certain functions to use_orig_path12:30
SageE-P: .. well, lets assume that I'm using external device like N900 then there would not be anyproblems?12:30
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: but when create rootfs, the error still  "Error <creator>: Failed to build transaction : libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.15.Mer.armv7l requires"12:30
E-PSage: for manual/semi-automatic testing probably not12:31
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: does it build in home:huanzq:gstreamer-1036 ?12:31
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: the subpackage of it12:31
lbtSleepy_Coder: so I'd like to extend that list by reading something in from a users home dir (or similar)12:31
SageE-P: Then what about running e.g. nemo-i586-vm in Virtualbox and connect via IP to it. Something would need to start it probably outside mer sdk but that would be similar to N900.12:31
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: show me build log for qt-mobility in your OBS?12:32
SageE-P: so IMO not such a big problem atm.12:32
lbtSleepy_Coder: in my case I'd like to add /maemo and /everything to the list ... but I don't want it in the mainline code as it represents configuration specific to my hard-disk/fs12:32
lbtSleepy_Coder: nb ...this isn't a high prio task - so definitely post-exam :)12:33
E-PSage: that is the problem, but we could tweak the ots to use mer sdk for test execution12:33
SageE-P: if you haven't done any packaging for the QA tools yet I could package e.g., qttas ans tddriver12:33
Sleepy_Coderthat could be done, but you'd have to define a path in the users ~ for where to look for a setup-specific file to include/require()?12:33
E-PSage: the worker setups the device and connection, and then tests are executed in the mer sdk12:33
lbtSleepy_Coder: yes - something like that12:33
Sagelbt: any reason why one could not start e.g. qemu inside mer sdk?12:33
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok,
Sagewell, we do it in mic already so no :P12:34
SageE-P: ^12:34
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: and now your .ks?12:34
Sleepy_Coderso you just want to have a way to open it up to a setup-specific ruleset, but are not sure in which way you want to do it?  you could use require() to load a file from the users ~ into the environment of that script to override rules or add new ones, or would you be looking to make sure a user can only redefine some rules there? :>12:34
lbtSage: no reason12:35
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I found a strange thing after the command, a qt-mobility package is built in my project gstreamer-0.10.3612:35
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: yes12:35
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: that's intentional12:35
Stskeepsit needs to build against your gstreamer project12:35
E-PSage: I havent' done any packaging for tdriver, but here you can find the qttas server
lbtSleepy_Coder: mainly no idea about how to approach it - require() sounds reasonable. Not worried about limiting the user12:36
SageE-P: nod, was planning to use those as a base12:36
Sleepy_Coderlbt: require() would pretty much give the person the ability to mess with anything in the scripts environment they want to mess with, if there are no concerns about security it is the option most open to flexibility on the end-users part :>12:37
lbtyep - there are no security issues here12:37
E-PSage: ok, it is pretty old version of tdriver, so update needed12:37
Sleepy_Coderhmm kk, I'll see about how to put it in there, any ideas for where the user-defined ruleset .lua script should be in their ~ ?12:37
Sleepy_Coderor even specifying that path through a cmdline option somewhere?12:38
SageE-P: :nod: well I'll check what I can do :)12:38
E-PSage: thanks12:38
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ks file is
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: contains qt-mobility and such?12:39
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes, I think so12:41
lbtSleepy_Coder: ~/.sb2rules is fine for now - we'll refine it later :)12:41
Sleepy_CoderWhat are these mappings used for? :x  Kind of irrelevant to waht you want me to add, but I've been trying to figure this out >.<12:42
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I can see the rpm package12:42
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok12:42
lbtessentially they're used to map a filesystem overlay12:43
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: add libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.1.Mer in %packages12:44
lbtSleepy_Coder: so sb2 intercepts system() calls and matches to the func_name12:44
lbtand does path translation12:44
lbtso open("/home/xxx") goes to the 'real' /home12:44
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I see libdeclarative-multimedia-1.2.0-1.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm there, but the error"Error <creator>: Failed to build transaction : libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.15.Mer.armv7l requires", so it doesnot use my qt-mobllity12:44
Sleepy_Coderthis actually makes sense to me :o12:45
lbtopen("/usr/lib/xxx") goes to the 'cross' /usr/lib12:45
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: yeah.. that's what i feared12:45
Sleepy_Coderooh someone was clever when they wrote this12:45
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: i wonder why it doesn't behave correctly12:45
Stskeepsit should become -2.112:45
Stskeepsnot 1.112:45
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: go into qt-mobility and add * Foo as second line of .changes file12:46
Stskeepsand let it rebuild12:46
lbtSleepy_Coder: yep12:46
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok, I already have qt-mobility package in gstreamer-0.10.36, and after linkpac command, a new qtmoblity package is building there, does this matter?12:47
Sleepy_Coderlbt: anyway, if you wanted to redefine something you'd stick a require('~/.sbrules') at the end of the file (that way the default rules would already be defined and you could modify them or clear them, etc...)12:47
Sleepy_Coder(assuming ~ actually points at your intended $HOME)12:47
Sleepy_Coderalso I could think of a much more concise way to define some of those rulings (some loops and table.insert()'s since a lot of the rules are the same for different executables)12:48
lbtSleepy_Coder: the challenge then is to do this in such a way as to be robust - so test existence before including12:48
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: two qtmobility package is there, which one will be used?12:49
lbtalso to provide some sample ~/.sb2rules to show how to extend it12:49
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: the one with highest version nujmber12:49
Sleepy_Coderlbt: pcall(require('~/.sbrules')) i thinks, pcall() lets things error silently, if the require()'d file doesn't exist12:50
lbtSleepy_Coder: I could see "use_original("/everything") as a helper method for the most common use case12:50
lbtassuming you can write code that would have that effect :)12:51
Sleepy_Coderahh, it would be pcall(require, '~/.sbrules') >.<12:51
lbtI'm a bit unsure if lua permits dynamic method creation12:51
Sleepy_Coderdynamic method creation? :>12:51
lbtlambda ?12:51
Sleepy_Coder(function () end)()12:52
Sleepy_Coderinline declaration of a function and its call12:52
lbtprogramattic declaration12:52
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: after linkpac, the new qtmobility is still building, maybe I need wait until the building work finished12:52
Sleepy_Coderfunction some_name() .. end <-- in Lua this is syntactic sugar for: some_name = nil; some_name = function () .. end12:53
lbtah, nice12:53
tadziksame in JS, no?12:53
Sleepy_Coderso you're saying you want to separate the default rules out and instead check to see if user-defined ones are available?  so if user ones are available, load those instead of the defaults?  (instead of what I was thinking, having the user-defined ones overlay the defaults)12:54
lbtadd to the defaults really12:54
lbtit would be rare to do anything else12:54
Sleepy_Coderthen it would really be just pcall(require, '~/.sbrules') at the end of the file :312:54
Sleepy_Coderunless you wanted some way to log that user-defined rules were loaded12:54
Sleepy_Coderpcall() is protected call, so that errors are gracefully not propagated (like if require() files on a nonexistant file)12:55
Sleepy_Coderfails on* :S12:55
Sagephaeron1: will you forward the spectacle to Mer:Tools:Testing as well?12:56
lbtso my only lua coding has been duplicating chunks of code and changing values12:56
iekkulbt, thanks for chairing the bug triage12:57
lbtiekku: np12:57
Sleepy_CoderHe was so professionable about it too, very quick :]12:57
lbtSleepy_Coder: I wouldn't know how to add a rule into emulate_mode_rules for example12:57
Sleepy_Coderwow my keyboard is fighting me12:57
phaeron1Sage: ok , I am trying to fix some of the testing tools builds12:58
Sleepy_Coderlbt: table.insert(emulate_mod_rules_usr_bin, { path = '/usr/bin/some_executable', func_name = ".*exec.*", actions = accelerated_program_actions }) I think12:59
Sagephaeron1: k13:00
Sleepy_Coderproblem is I see this table at the end describing the default rule and I'm not sure if the position in the table "emulate_mod_rules_usr_bin" is important13:00
lbtSleepy_Coder: yeah, that's the kind of thing - probably is :/13:00
Sleepy_Coderlbt: if the order of the rules aren't important, then you can table.insert() more rules (as the emulate_mod_rules_usr_bin table exists when you pcall()-require() in your rules), if the default rule has to be the last rule of the table (which would make sense) then you can insert your custom rules at the beginning of the table: table.insert(emulate_mod_rules_usr_bin, 1, { path = '/usr/bin/some_executable', func_name = ".*exec.*",13:02
Sleepy_Coderactions = accelerated_program_actions })13:02
lbtSleepy_Coder: is there a -2 ?13:02
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lbteg insert at end-113:02
Sleepy_CoderI don't believe you can insert relationally from the end, I shall consult the oracle (docs)13:03
lbtanyhow... Sleepy_Coder ... your task is to make a patch :)13:03
lbtwe have to get you something to do ...13:03
Sleepy_CoderI must see where emulate_mod_rules_usr_bin is used :p13:03
Sleepy_CoderThis is a riddle I must solve now :]13:04
Sleepy_CoderAlso, you can't insert at -2 from the back13:04
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Sleepy_Coderbecause in lua you can have negative indices13:04
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Sleepy_Coder(also Lua "arrays" which are hashes with numeric keys, start at 1 for their first element) :>13:04
phaeron1Sage: lbt SR#488213:05
lbtfunny ... my mind was doing "for each in keys.sorted" :)13:05
Sleepy_Codersome_table = { [1] = 'dog', [2] = 'cat', [3] = 'horse' } is the same as: some_table = { 'dog', 'cat', 'horse' }13:05
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Sleepy_Coderyou can have an index at 0 and in the negative but things like: for key, value in ipairs(some_table) will produce an iterator function that walks along the table starting at index 113:06
Sleepy_Coderer, the ipairs() part :>13:06
Sleepy_Coderwhere is emulate_mod_rules_usr_bin used? :D13:06
sroedalinteresting for the vivaldi?
* Stskeeps looks13:06
sroedalkms even, might be a good foundation for bringing wayland there13:06
sroedaland GEM buffers13:07
lbtSleepy_Coder: in the depths13:07
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-2.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm, I found it on
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok, now try to make an image13:08
Sleepy_Coderlbt: checking out that repo now to make my modifications :3 (be prepared, I am not on understandable terms with git)13:08
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: still the same error13:08
SageStskeeps: "unable to initialize libusb: -99" on N90013:08
Sagewhen doing lsusb13:08
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: maybe I should clean up something?13:08
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: hmm13:09
StskeepsSage: not -too- surprising13:09
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok, and 1.2.0-2.1 is nwo in the repository too?13:10
lbtphaeron1: who the hell added a .pl file to spectacle ?13:10
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: it seems not, only libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm there13:11
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: hmmm13:11
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: is the publish flag on for home:huanzq:gstreamer-1036 ?13:12
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: publish flag?13:12
phaeron1lbt: not me :)13:12
lbtphaeron1: I know ... you're way too sane13:12
lbtthe whole damn thing is written in python and .... nm...13:12
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: in "repositories" tab?13:13
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: enable13:14
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: hmm13:14
Sleepy_Coderlbt: what uses these lua scripts? :o  they set up these tables for what tool?13:14
Sleepy_Codertables containing the mapping rules13:14
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I found the repo libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-1.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm, 2012-May-21 19:38:5713:15
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: it seems the time is not right13:15
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: odd,, wonder why it's not publishing the package13:15
Sleepy_Coderlbt: I need to find where in scratchbox these tables containing the rule mappings are used (just so I can be sure about the default rule being the last one in each table)13:15
Sleepy_Coderahh I should consult grep more13:16
lbt;a=summary fyi13:16
* lbt afk for a bit13:17
Sleepy_Coderkk :)13:17
* Sleepy_Coder wonders if this Lauri Leukkunen person has an internet presence in here13:20
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: at Build Service > Projects > home:huanzq:gstreamer-1036 > qt-mobility > Files , I see "This package links to the sources of the package qt-mobility of project MerDS:Core:armv7l"13:21
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: yes, that's what a linkpac does13:21
StskeepsSleepy_Coder: lauri t. aarnio is the current maintainer13:21
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: does this matter? it caused the rpm package doesni13:21
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: no, that's fine13:22
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: doesn't upload13:22
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: i wonder why it's not publishing it..13:22
Sleepy_CoderStskeeps: name change?  I specifically mean Lauri Leukkunen? :o13:22
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok, osc co home:huanzq:gstreamer-1036 qt-mobility13:22
StskeepsSleepy_Coder: no, different person13:22
Stskeepsthere's a lot of lauri's13:22
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: and cd qt-mobility, and osc wipebinaries in there13:22
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: osc wipebinaries?13:23
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: yes, this causes a rebuild and re-publish13:23
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: osc wipebinaries is a command?13:25
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: yes13:25
Stskeepsdo it inside home:huanzq:gstreamer-1036/qt-mobility13:26
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes, osc --help|grep wipebinaries, got it13:26
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I type "osc wipebinaries --all ", "--all" is needed by osc's option13:28
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok13:28
Stskeepsnow wait for it to recompile and check repository13:37
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I think there is something wrong. I rebuild my qtmobility (not the one linked to MerDS) again, and see libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-2.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm is created, but in the repo, still the old version13:40
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: seems my repo cannot update ?13:41
Stskeepsnot sure, something at least looks wrong13:41
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StskeepsBostik: do you guys have wayland 0.85 packaging anywhere?14:03
Stskeepsfor mer14:03
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: after recompile qt-mobility(the one linked to MerDS), the repo is updated, and image is created successfully14:08
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: excellent :)14:11
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I see the "Last Modified" is 2012-May-21 21:13:0314:12
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: maybe the repo update itself for a time delay ?14:13
Stskeepsnot sure14:13
Stskeepseither way, it behaved badly14:13
Stskeepswipebinaries sometiems helps that14:13
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Stskeeps198 people, woo14:13
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I have a look at the repo, it's libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-2.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm, and, it's
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: it's libqtmultimediakit1-1.2.0-2.2.Mer.armv7l.rpm14:16
Stskeepsokay, that's more mysterious14:16
Stskeepsi don't know, either way, as long as it picks up -your- package14:16
Stskeepslet's debug it some other time, may just be a bug because of your OBS version14:16
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok. Thank you for your great help and patience.14:18
Stskeepsno problem14:18
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I have to go home now, It's Beijing time 22:18, see you tomorrow.14:18
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mdfe_lbt: did you speed-up the build for arm on bpmc?15:48
lbtis it faster now?15:48
mdfe_imho it is faster as for i58615:49
lbterr.... yes then, that was me :D15:49
mdfe_could this be?15:49
lbtthe objective of sb2 is to match the speed of 58615:49
lbtbut I don't think anything significant changed recently15:50
mdfe_I'm really impressed15:50
Stskeepscheck osc jobhistory to confirm it's actually faster..15:50
Stskeepsi've been cheated by my own perception at times too15:50
mdfe_I just wonder because the build for calligra is finished on arm before i58615:51
Stskeepsremember also sometimes that some builds don't run tests on arm15:51
lbtis i586 on a slow builder?15:51
lbtyou can find uneven job distribution too15:52
mdfe_maybe, but all three i586 build jobs are still running15:52
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Sleepy_Coderlbt:  Things you could do in ~/.sbrules:  :x16:01
* Sleepy_Coder makes a mental note to plain-text all the mime types :]16:01
Sleepy_CoderI think... my comment is misleading.  The way I wrote it avoids the concatenation of nil and '/.sbrules'16:03
Sleepy_Coder~anyway~ if you don't like that I an open to more suggestions :x16:03
lbtcan I pop the last rule in a table and then re-add it?16:04
Sleepy_Codertable.remove(whatever_table) removes the last rule of the table, and then table.insert(whatever_table, some_value) would push it onto the end of the table again16:04
Sleepy_Coderreally like pop and push :)16:04
Sleepy_CoderI should say, table.remove() removes the last key-value pair, which is a rule :>16:07
lbt  looks like a triple to me16:08
lbtor is it an enumerated entry pointing to a hash with 3 key/value entries ?16:09
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Sleepy_CoderI'm not sure how it tests for the default rule, it's strange16:09
Sleepy_CoderI was trying to track it in scratchbox16:09
Sleepy_Coderit would make sense if the assumption were just: some_rule_table[#some_rule_table]  # is the length operator, so indexing the last element would be the default rule, as simple as that16:10
mdfe_Stskeeps: you are right, arm build is not faster ( )16:10
Stskeepsthought so :)16:11
Stskeepsthough i'm trying to get it down to 1.5x of i586 time when i can16:11
mdfe_Stskeeps: but then something with dependecy and rebuild calculation is fishy16:11
Stskeepsor simply that ordering were different16:11
mdfe_inside obs?16:12
* lbt realises that dependency in rpm doesn't have suggests: or reccomends:16:12
Stskeepsmdfe_: sometimes you can be lucky in terms of what jobs get scheduled16:12
lbtit's so nice to be back in the 90s :)   life was simpler then16:12
mdfe_but should it does not show a 'blocked'?16:13
Sleepy_Coderremember those lovely rainbow fish people used to make out of aol online discs?16:13
Stskeepsmdfe_: btw, one concept i'm brewing on.. ability to do full cross compile of some packages and sb2-like cross compile of others16:13
Stskeepsso we can for example do qmake compiles very fast16:14
Stskeepsas it's compiling on x86 towards an arm sysroot16:14
mdfe_without patching every package?16:15
SageStskeeps, lbt: somethign went bad with previuos release ?16:15
Stskeepswell, that remains to be seen16:15
Sageonly i48616:15
Sageit shouldn't happen anymore16:17
Sagethe nss patch went in right Stskeeps ?16:17
Sageor did I still screw something up with that16:18
Stskeepsi think so16:20
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* lbt wonders if we should use suse rpm with 'reccomends:'16:22
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lbthmmm ... how come git has been building OK despite having python2.6 hardcoded into the install paths?17:03
lbtSage: do we have a %{_libdir} for python ?17:04
Stskeepsuntil now, perhaps17:04
lbtit could have been failed before and I didn't notice I guess17:05
Sagelbt: there is %{_python_site_path} or something if that is what you meant17:05
lbtSage: yep - that sounds sensible17:05
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Sagejust can't recall the exact name17:06
lbtI'll look17:06
SageIIRC it points to site-packages dir17:07
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lbtSage: %python_sitelib I think17:22
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CosmoHillhi lbt17:30
CosmoHillcould be worse, my cousin spends that much alone on insurance17:31
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CosmoHillhey javispedro17:44
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v-foxhi to everyone here too. maybe someone here knows: is it possible (and viable right now) to install Mer/NEMO onto N900's internal flash as the only system ?17:55
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lbtv-fox: it's not sensible17:57
v-foxlbt: how so ?17:58
lbtafair that's the latest advice - check the wiki for more explanation ;)17:58
* CosmoHill is having to run his rsync with --existing due to a lack of space on the server18:07
CosmoHill(his own private server that someone tried to hack this morning)18:07
Sageo_0 tddriver requires ruby... has someone packaged it for mer?18:08
lbtSage: not yet afaik18:09
v-foxlbt: i haven't asked about viability of installing Nemo onto internal memory, i asked about viability of using Nemo instead of Maemo, that's a separate issue.18:09
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v-foxother question was: if it's even possible to install it onto internal flash ?18:11
Stskeepsv-fox: it is, but it's not easy and not a benefit really18:11
Stskeepsalso, eMMC, not NAND18:11
Stskeepswe're too fat for NAND18:11
Sagelbt: :/18:11
v-foxStskeeps: uh, i was afraid you say that :(18:11
Sleepy_Coderlbt: hmm, think I have to go do stuff for a few hours :o  let me know if the thing I came up with doesn't work as expected18:12
Stskeepsmer might fit but you need a sizeable ui on top18:12
SageE-P: Starting with the QA packages at
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v-foxStskeeps: you mean like core system only, not Nemo ?18:14
lbtSleepy_Coder: I'm probably going to look at that over the next couple of days18:14
Stskeepsv-fox: yeah, for example18:14
lbtI'm redoing some SDK things first18:14
Stskeepsv-fox: why won't you put it on a microsd? tried it out first?18:15
lbtSage: yeah ...18:15
lbtSage: which stable ruby I wonder ... we have so many to choose from :)18:15
lbtSleepy_Coder: also ... ping me for piccies from SF :)18:15
* lbt off out ...18:15
Sageah, pics. I should get them out of my cam at some point18:16
lbtSage: alterego was, I think, going to port ruby for MeeGo18:16
lbtso he may well want to suggest a direction for Mer18:16
v-foxStskeeps: two reasons: 1) i don't have any yet 2) what i really want is "alive", supported and actively maintained OS for day-to-day use, maybe with occasional hacking necessary. and this is proper place for an OS18:17
Stskeepsv-fox: well, i would honestly suggest microsd first then18:18
Stskeepsthat's how we've developed it18:18
Stskeepsbecause at times, you royally screw up your setup when developing18:18
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Sagelbt: I was pondering of taking packages from fedora as a base18:20
Stskeepslbt: integrated my mode fix yet?18:20
v-foxStskeeps: i get that, but i'm more afraid that if you don't have it now (where it more or less stable and developed), you will decide not to trim it down for NAND or even continue to ignore eMMC, just for historic reasons. i imagine it will be a tough move to try to sqeeze it back to 256Mb now18:21
lbtSage: yeah - but check with alterego as to what version18:21
lbtStskeeps: yes18:21
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Sagelbt: what version?18:21
lbtnot tested so not pushded18:21
lbtSage: 1.9.x18:21
Stskeepsv-fox: nemo's meant as a smartphone system which rarely fits in NAND.. as an example, harmattan is entirely on eMMC18:21
ali1234v-fox: rootfs on nand was never a particularly good idea in my opinion... yeah ^18:21
Stskeepsv-fox: in maemo5 there was a lot of trouble with /opt, as an example18:22
Stskeepsv-fox: not saying that you can't build your own setup and put it in NAND, though18:22
Sagelbt: umm... meego had ruby by default18:22
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v-foxStskeeps: yeah, those 256Mb are... well, look like an odd decision even at N900 launch18:22
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Sagelbt: version 1.8.x18:22
Stskeepsv-fox: well, it doesn't go much bigger NAND wise18:23
lbtSage: popular but old18:23
simon_____hi:) Stskeeps: poke ;)18:23
ali1234how big is a mer core image anyway?18:23
lbtanyhow... gotta go18:23
Stskeepssimon_____: hey18:23
Stskeepssimon_____: i've fixed 181, i think18:23
v-foxStskeeps: but is there a chance that at least eMMC installation be fully supported when stuff will stabilize to some degree ?18:23
Stskeepssimon_____: yes, it might be stuck in a submission somewhere atm18:23
Stskeepsv-fox: there's nothing stopping anyone from doing emmc but you do need sufficient clue in order to do it18:24
simon_____Stskeeps: that would be great18:24
Stskeepssimon_____: however18:24
Stskeepssimon_____: your module doesn't built18:24
ali1234does mer even have what you could call an installer?18:24
simon_____Stskeeps: oops18:24
Stskeepsv-fox: such as making your own nemo image18:24
Stskeepsali1234: not really, for x86 we have one, but it's really over in hw adaptation domain18:24
ali1234makes sense18:25
Stskeepsv-fox: .. if you have sufficient clue, i'll gladly help you through the steps18:25
simon_____Stskeeps: well it is the first time building with nemo. With meego it built fine.18:25
Stskeepssimon_____: what kernel was that on?18:25
simon_____Stskeeps: meego netbook ia 3218:26
Stskeepsversion that is18:26
Stskeepssimon_____: could you get me a kernel version? :P18:26
simon_____yep just a sec18:26
Sagelbt: well, I would pick the latest stable which is 1.9.x we should use that anyway18:26
v-foxStskeeps: and as of right now i'm afraid to brick my device.. damn, i'm afraid it's already damaged: i just bought it, and damn thing doesn't recognised "wall" charger and agrees to charge from USB, only after i charged battery once externally :/18:26
Stskeepssimon_____: ok, and we're on 3.0 now18:27
Stskeepsv-fox: is it a nokia wall charger?18:27
v-foxStskeeps: yes18:27
ali1234stupid charger problems :(18:27
Stskeepsv-fox: if you can externally charge battery it's really damn hard to brick the n900, unless you do something really stupid18:27
Stskeepssuch as overwriting nolo or CAL area18:28
simon_____Stskeeps: yep, typical build errors, I had that already when building different kernel versions on meego, so I will fix it alright.18:28
StskeepsSage: any chance you could take in my fix for NEMO#18118:28
v-foxStskeeps: but if its circuiry already broken so BME or whatever battery controlling mechanism is acting weird, it's already broken and i have to return/fix it first. spoiling OS or some bootloader wouldn't be wise right now :(18:30
Stskeepsv-fox: that's correct - anyway, got a PC by chance?18:30
Stskeepsv-fox: you can try out nemo on there too, virtualbox18:30
dm8tbrkvm/qemu should work too :)18:30
ali1234did anyone attempt x64 builds? ;)18:31
v-foxStskeeps: but i don't want to just try it out. as i said, i want "current" system for my portable :) and, from what i gather, it's only Mer/Nemo now18:31
Stskeepsali1234: i'm pondering x32 some day18:31
Stskeepsv-fox: :nod: i know, but i am also trying to give you a proper awareness of it :)18:31
Stskeepsv-fox: and i'm saying, please try it out on microsd before risking anything :)18:32
ali1234v-fox: you should try it, before you decide you really want it :)18:32
simon_____Stskeeps: i guess until Sage didn't integrated your fix into x64 adaptation I cannot build it?18:32
Stskeepssimon_____: didn't say that :) you can just branch kernel-adaptation-pc and add my fix, it's really simple18:33
v-foxStskeeps: i will certanily try it when i get my hands on SD, but i really hoping for more than just trying and hacking at some point sometime18:33
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Stskeepsv-fox: sure, we all do18:33
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dm8tbrand it is usable for daily usage :)18:34
ali1234v-fox: oh yeah... btw, you needn't worry about "support" for eMMC - because it's exactly the same as the SD card slot, just soldered to the board18:34
ali1234which means it doesn't need "support" - it's just harder to fix if something goes wrong18:34
Stskeepsit's just you need to set up extra swap, etc18:34
Stskeepsand do some stuff newbies don't traditionally do18:34
Stskeepsit's somewhat difficult for some to recover from a emmc install, so18:35
Stskeepsand most want emmc for the wrong reasons18:35
v-foxali1234: yes, but i more concerned about making sure it will boot afterwards :)18:35
ali1234v-fox: what exactly do you mean by that?18:35
v-foxand that system from NAND will not be screwing with it18:35
simon_____Stskeeps: sounds good, I'm gonna start right away, 1000 bows!18:35
ali1234v-fox: yeah see that's the tricky part... NAND syste relies on the eMMC being the way it is now18:36
v-foxali1234: by default eMMC used for /home /opt and fat32 data partition, right ?18:36
ali1234v-fox: right. and if you don't care about blowing all that away completely, then eMMC install should be trivial... it's keeping the existing system intact that is tricky18:36
Stskeepsv-fox: get a microsd and use u-boot, that's probably sanest, but honestly, you should get battery issue fixed first18:37
Stskeepswall charger is your rescue18:37
ali1234spare battery doesn't hurt either18:38
* dm8tbr pointed out the meego wiki page on emmc install already on the nemo channel, jftr18:38
BostikStskeeps: no, I don't - would you like me to make the answer "not yet" instead?18:38
StskeepsBostik: ah, just checking so i didn't have to package it up :)18:38
Stskeepsi have ancient wayland snapshot, so18:38
BostikI should be able to make a decent one in a day or so18:39
Bostikhence the question18:39
Stskeepsalright then18:39
v-foxali1234: this is why i concerned, that it will go horribly wrong :) i don't really want using and having 2 systems, i'm fine with 1, even if it's a bit undone. of course, if it's very undone, it's not an option18:39
Stskeepsv-fox: microsd and u-boot is the sanest then, i have a n900 without usb port18:40
Stskeepsand i use that approach18:40
StskeepsBostik: i'm hoping that we perhaps can do things like mesa-llvmpipe-x11 mesa-llvmpipe-wayland in default config, so it's possible to do wayland experiments quite easily18:40
Stskeepson framebuffer18:40
v-foxbut here's the question: is it even planned to be "production-ready"/solely-used ?18:40
Stskeepsv-fox: we went towards day-to-day use but there's still a lot of rough edges, mer is meant to be production ready, nemo, well, polishing a handset stack takes time18:41
Stskeepsit isn't meant as a experiment only18:41
BostikStskeeps: hmmm... I'll bite - it may take a day or two but I have some material from other projects around which I could use as a reference for myself..18:41
Stskeepsbut open source projects have limits, such as codecs18:41
Stskeepsso to have a complete end user experience, you'd have to see it commercialized18:42
Stskeepswhich i have no idea if will ever happen18:42
ali1234well it's unlikely to happen for n900...18:43
ali1234who would be crazy enough to try to sell an after-market OS image?18:43
iekkunice to see so much new people here18:43
Stskeepson top of that, you can't for n90018:43
Stskeepsthe blobs come with a non-commercial clause18:44
v-foxStskeeps: this is why codecs should be in separate repo or something like that, and some payment system should be established beetwen patent-holders and end-users. this is really an unnerving issue for me, as a Russian citizen, since codec patenting has no legal meaning.18:47
Stskeepsv-fox: yeah.. well, so it goes18:48
Stskeepsv-fox: anyway, if you're willing to learn, the ui and core is all open for you to hack18:48
ali1234v-fox: that's why mer is so limited in scope... just totally avoid all that mess and let someone else worry about it :)18:49
v-foxStskeeps: i do. but it's too bad i can't start putting data onto my device from the clean slice of modern OS :(18:49
Stskeepsali1234: the SEP field is strong in mer indeed18:49
ali1234thus enabling some actual work to be done instead of worrying about it all the time18:49
Stskeepsv-fox: just trust me on this one.. microsd and u-boot18:49
ali1234i have to concur18:50
Stskeepsit's the far safest18:50
ali1234SD card isn't exactly expensive or difficult to obtain18:50
ali1234not compared with a N900 anyway18:50
v-foxStskeeps: ok, but you too, please, don't abandon the idea of using Mer/Nemo on N900 in "solo"18:51
Stskeepsv-fox: of course18:52
ali1234v-fox: like i said. "solo" mode is easy18:52
ali1234it's dual booting from eMMC that is hard18:52
Stskeepsv-fox: we're just saying, start out on a microsd :)18:52
ali1234and you don't want solo mode yet.18:52
Stskeepsv-fox: i'd like mer + some ui to fit in NAND too, and do featurephone like experiments on it at some point too18:52
Stskeepssimply because there'll be devices that need that small kind of thing18:52
ali1234heh. i'd love something that can run on my HTC wizard :)18:53
ali1234it has 320x240 and no GPU at all18:53
Stskeepsali1234: got linux kernel for it?18:53
Stskeepshow ancient?18:53
Stskeepsti omap 850? wow18:53
ali12342.6.29 or something18:53
Stskeepsah, 32 or above for mer18:54
ali1234we have secrit google patches too :)18:54
ali1234but not much interest in fixing them up, since there's really nothing interesting to run on it, as everything needs GPU and 100GB RAM these days18:54
v-foxali1234: well, yeah, <200$ for N900, ~30$ for 32Gb class 10 microSD. but i have to wait untill it arrives :) local shops are damn greedy18:55
ali1234but if we got back to some even more ancient kernel (like 2.6.8 or something) then we have full implementation for all hardware18:55
Stskeepsv-fox: 4gb will be more than enough18:55
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v-foxStskeeps: can i share Nemo with data or it will take over entire SD ?18:56
Stskeepsv-fox: if you make your own images (install mer platform sdk, build them yourself) you can do whatever you want18:57
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v-foxStskeeps: but will i be able to update them from repos... there are binary update repos right ?18:57
Stskeepsv-fox: there's binary update repos yes18:57
Stskeepsgenerally we say one sd = one image18:58
Stskeepsbut if you want to share with other os'es, you can do that too18:58
Stskeepsat expense of more work to do18:58
v-foxStskeeps: i really not keen on the idea of opening device's back cover too much. so if i will be able to use repos, i will go through trouble of preparing images and card for it18:59
Stskeepsv-fox: :nod:18:59
v-foxbut then i still need some good, big card18:59
ali1234the back cover is touch as nails19:00
ali1234it's the USB port you have to be careful with19:00
v-foxfor now i'm more afraid for entire power circuitry...19:01
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v-foxthis "not charging" message is one of stupidest and scariest computer things i have ever seen19:02
ali1234the USB stuff was another odd mistake19:02
ali1234mind you, same thing happened with a lot of phone recently19:02
ali1234not least one of the lumias19:03
ali1234smart charging sucks. bring back nicads i say19:03
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ali1234ah found it. Stskeeps, remember these pics?
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Stskeepsali1234: flashback from the past, yeah19:12
Stskeepshey csdb_home, was good seeing you on tizen conference :) sorry for it being so short though19:13
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v-foxbig thanks to you all ! i will get back to you, once i make some progres with getting acquainted better with the device :)19:15
Stskeepsfeel free to hang out :)19:15
ali1234ping me if you need u-boot help :)19:16
v-foxi will :) bye!19:16
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csdb_homeStskeeps, good to see you too. funny how we all suffer the same obs problems19:34
Stskeepscsdb_home: which reminds me, i should be e-mailing dominique..19:35
csdb_homeI only took a quick look @ the tizen build instructions, but from the looks of it they have again reinvented the workaround-obs-for-proper-embedded-dev wheel19:35
Stskeepsdid you see their 'gbs' yet?19:35
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Stskeepsthat one is more intruiging19:35
csdb_homeit seems similar to what we did, only we extended the obs built-in commands19:36
csdb_homewe have "osc bcm_mkpac, osc bcm_co, osc bcm_commit, osc bcm_build" etc...19:36
csdb_homewhich glue git+obs19:36
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Stskeepsthat's true, you could easily have extended osc19:37
Stskeepswe were thinking to submit mer-ish git format to gbs.. now i wonder if plugins are better19:38
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csdb_homeI think I can put our extensions up on github if you want to take a look19:41
SageStskeeps: sync fail?19:41
Stskeepscsdb_home: could be cool19:41
StskeepsSage: i just accidentially pressed sleep button on my laptop, will look tomorrow19:42
Stskeepssleep button = death on my laptop19:42
csdb_homeStskeeps, ok. I'll try to do that this week. today is a holiday and I don't feel like logging into work :)19:42
csdb_homelunchtime for me. ttyl19:42
Stskeepscsdb_home: sure, enjoy :)19:42
Sagehave choice for pkgconfig(QtCore): libqt-devel qt5-qtcore-devel19:42
Sagehmmp... will face that with a lot of packages with this new release I guess.19:43
StskeepsSage: prjconf out of sync maybe19:44
Stskeepsthere should be a prefer19:44
Sageah, the first one with i486 just needed rebuild19:45
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tripzeroi see omap4 pvr armhf binaries but no omap3?19:55
Stskeepstripzero: use mer armv7l19:55
Stskeepsi dont think omap3 armhf libs exist19:55
tripzeroi don't think so either19:56
tripzerowhich is kinda sad19:56
tripzeroStskeeps, if I want to use the ubuntu kernel, i just need to copy the stuff from /boot and /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VERSION right?20:00
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smokuStskeeps: I found a way of re-enabling wifi in ideapad21:06
smokuStskeeps: enter bios setup, disable wifi, save, poweroff, poweron, enter setup, enable wifi, save, poweroff21:07
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CosmoHillsmoku: sounds like a titbit that should be on the wiki21:10
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smokuCosmoHill: which wiki?21:10
CosmoHillyou've got me there21:10
rcg1smoku: lenovo ideapad?21:11
smokurcg1: yes21:11
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rcg1ah ic, dunno what they do with these things nowadays..21:12
tadzikhuh, what is "kutas" doing here on the channel21:12
rcg1smoku: once had a situation in which i needed to install windows in order to enable the damn wifi with the lenovo application.. nothing else worked21:12
smokurcg1: I was afraid I would need to do it too21:13
ali1234isn't that bug well known?21:13
rcg1the hw kill switch just did not work until i found some pretty hidden setting in one of these lenovo windows apps21:13
ali1234that you have to reset the bios from time to time when wifi stops working? (usually after pulling the battery)21:14
rcg1ali1234: don't know.. to that time it was pretty new to me that you can disable the hw kill switch in software21:14
smokurcg1: last time I was toying with it, wifi powered on when i flipped this switch to 'off'21:14
ali1234i think it was on the meego wiki...21:14
smokurcg1: but after reboot it was gone for good21:14
rcg1they must have some controller or so sitting in between the hw switch and the bios or whatever21:15
rcg1smoku: ic .. thats also a "neat" feature21:15
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rcg1ali1234: ic, hope i recall this if i encounter a similar issue the next time ;)21:17
rcg1but there was also a similar thing with the toshiba laptop i am currently using here.. you can only enter the bios when you press the corresponding key as long as the toshiba bios screen is shown21:18
rcg1as a neat feature, disabling the second core yields the screen not being displayed anymore21:18
rcg1end effect.. needed to get the other hdd with windows and mess with the bios via the windows applications until the problem was fixed21:19
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smokuwhich mic image type should I use for N900 image?21:29
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simonpbStskeeps: hi, I just built the module, now installing it.21:38
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