Sunday, 2012-05-20

phloonsilence00:03
tadzikI suppose everyone's asleep. I wish I could help you, but I still have not tried nemo on my n90000:07
befordsorry I dont get your question00:08
befordboth n900 have the sd reader damaged?00:09
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bountycould install on internal MMC. i'd rearrange partitions so MyDocs is 2gb, /home (and mer) is 30gb01:42
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bountyor even create an additional parttion just for mer. i kinda like having it chrootable on a normal maemo fs though01:43
bountymainly cuz maemo's automount stuff is crazy - one shell script creating an fstab, etc01:44
bountyeasy to get it into reboot-loops by hacking on them01:45
bountyalthough using u-boot helps01:45
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Stskeepsgood morning07:02
StskeepsSage: will kick once main repos are done building07:03
Sagek07:06
* Stskeeps is looking into tizen u-boot07:07
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StskeepsSage: i don't suppose you tried wiring up your serial connection to ref device yet07:24
dm8tbrit might very well do the USB port UART thing07:26
Stskeepshttps://review.tizen.org/git/?p=kernel/u-boot.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/cpu/armv7/s5p-common/usb_downloader.c;h=f7c80340d1ad86b536d152f595b870182d1b92d4;hb=0b80da05ae27f8eeacc978486e9e747b03064b09 is the 'downloader' thing btw07:32
Stskeepshttps://review.tizen.org/git/?p=kernel/u-boot.git;a=blob;f=common/cmd_usbd.c;h=574bf3083fb8835d1a2690100f916ca0fa20a38c;hb=0b80da05ae27f8eeacc978486e9e747b03064b09 specifically being the impl07:32
SageStskeeps: have't tried07:32
dm8tbrSage: you have a cable though (if it didn't fall apart again...)07:33
Sagewell it broke down again and didn't see where the problem was. Gave it to others to debug more.07:37
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dm8tbr:/07:50
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StskeepsSage: what filename did you call your 16mb dump?08:06
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Sage16mb dump?08:09
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CosmoHillwoof / other greetings08:17
StskeepsSage: from the tizen ref device sd card08:17
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SageStskeeps: you mean this http://sage.kapsi.fi/tizen/mmcblk0-start ?10:02
Stskeepsright10:14
* Stskeeps could really need a full dump of that thing if possible, somehow..10:15
Sagefull dump of the whole mmc ?10:26
Stskeepsyeah..10:28
Stskeepsbz2'ed of course10:29
CosmoHillxz10:31
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Sagexz probably better idea :)10:57
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StskeepsThe Following 4,294,967,294 Users Say Thank You to Stskeeps For This Useful Post: - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1208927&postcount=5411:32
Stskeepsbooyah11:32
Bostiknice following11:34
Bostikyou could start a cult :)11:35
Stskeepssome might claim i already have11:35
Stskeeps:P11:35
* Stskeeps waits for mer-next to calm down building11:35
Bostikfair enough11:35
Stskeepslooking forward to including rest of qt511:35
Bostikwheeee!11:36
BostikI'm waiting for alpha2 to get tagged, could update the packaging and start (hopefully) tracking more closely again after that11:36
Stskeeps:nod:11:37
Stskeepswe'll probably just take major tagged releases into mer, ie, alpha1, alpha2, etc11:37
Bostikmakes perfect sense11:38
jbos_ping lbt11:39
jbos_you had this image building website, like uploading a ks file and getting an image11:39
jbos_is this public? Opensource? I'm just wondering how it works :D11:40
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phaeronjbos_: yeah imager , it's open , I wrote it11:44
jbos_so you need boss for this? or can it run standalone?11:45
phaeronit uses boss , but you don't have to hook that boss instance up to OBS. so fairly standalone11:46
jbos_can y point me to some repo? so i can instruct my self?11:48
jbos_ideally some current documentation11:48
phaeronjbos_: documentation should get you started. http://autodoc.meego.com/mint/imager/11:48
jbos_:D11:48
phaeronjbos_: I am pushing a new version tonight (hopefully)11:49
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jbos_sounds cool. thanks. I'm currently looking for a good way to produce my mer+gecko images for several targets :) I was thinking about some jenkins server but this looks worth a look11:53
jbos_you write there "an already existing BOSS ... is expected to be accesible11:54
phaeronjbos_: I am using and developing it actively. so if you try it and have issues or comments please tell me and  I can fix them11:54
phaeronjbos_: if you don't have one already just install it  on same machine11:55
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phaeronI should modify that statement :)11:55
jbos_:) what base system do your recommend?11:56
jbos_which version11:56
phaeronopensuse 11.4 , debian testing11:57
phaeronfor separate worker opensuse 12.1 should work too11:57
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jbos_so you use 11.4 yourself?11:58
phaeronyes11:59
jbos_ok, then i will use it too :) I learned the hard way that I should always use the same system as the dev :)12:00
phaeronthat's sadly true , for example the last update I pushed depends on a package which I packaged for opensuse , but didn't get to package yet for debian12:01
jbos_my mer obs runs on opensuse 12.112:02
jbos_was some fun since those guys renamed some packages12:02
jbos_:D12:02
phaeronand systemd on 12.1 is badly integrated12:03
jbos_yes well, it work now. :)12:03
jbos_but next time I use 11.412:04
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jbos_mhm installing boss on a plain 11.4  cause: Installing: python-boss-skynet-0.6.2-1.1 [done]  Additional rpm output: head: cannot open `/usr/bin/skynet' for reading: No such file or directory12:47
jbos_and12:48
jbos_Installing: boss-0.7.0-1.1 [done] Additional rpm output: /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.z4NBiq: line 11: /usr/bin/svok: No such file or directory12:48
jbos_ERROR: is supervisord running ?12:49
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crazyusbHi15:49
CosmoHillhi15:49
Stskeepshey crazyusb :)15:51
Stskeepswelcome - so what brings you here to #mer ?15:51
crazyusbfor discover mer ( Sorry for my english i'm french )15:52
Stskeepshehe, your english is fine :)15:52
Stskeepsif you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out15:52
CosmoHillI find only people with good english apologise for not speaking good english15:53
StskeepsCosmoHill: awareness is key15:53
CosmoHillso is the ability to spell the word "apologise"15:54
Stskeepsit's with z, isn't it15:54
CosmoHillfor american english it is15:54
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CosmoHillnot all the words made it over the atlantic in one piece15:56
CosmoHilllike "centre" is "center"15:56
Stskeepseither way, we're getting off topic..15:56
CosmoHillyes, sorry.15:56
jbos_mrg, so i got a bit further on this boss thing... well I installed some packages after installing python-xml... however In http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Installation  there is "to run boss:   rcboss start / stop"15:58
jbos_but... there is no rcboss in those package15:58
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Stskeepsif you run into bugs, please file in the integration tools bug component, fwiw16:00
Stskeepsthe guides may be ancinet16:00
jbos_well ye guss they are :)16:01
Stskeepsjust a silly question.. in a tizen reference code quote, i see stuff like https://developer.tizen.org/help/topic/org.tizen.help.web.api.device/tizen/bluetooth.html#createBondingid262104016:11
Stskeepsthe tizen. part16:11
Stskeepsdoesn't this practically mean they can't ever be 'standardized' apis?16:11
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jbos_filed a bug... somehow also installation of img-worker simply hang it self up16:17
jbos_at 0%16:17
jbos_if i intererupt it hangs in skynet16:18
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jbos_guess lbt would know :) i filed a bug about boss installation16:27
jbos_lets see, i wont give it a try to day then, maybe during the week would be nice if this works16:28
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Stskeepsjbos_: can B2G do16:40
Stskeeps'.wgt' ?16:40
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rcg1hi17:06
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rcg1i am fairly new to mer/nemo development but i started to "port" some of my existing applications to nemo. in that process i also wrote down the steps i did: http://bit.ly/JpEQqe17:09
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rcg1furthermore, during this work i also packaged the harmattan versions of qca2 and libqca2-plugin-ossl for Mer/Nemo17:10
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rcg1from my perspective it would be nice if qca2 and libqca2-plugin-ossl could be added to some of the "stock" repositories because one of my applications depends on it (that's why i re-packaged these in the first place)17:13
rcg1if there are any quality assurance guidelines or the like it would be nice if you could point me to them then i would try to prepare the packages such they adhere to your standards17:14
rcg1i hope this is the right communication channel for these topics17:14
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Stskeepsit is, though i'll be back in ~30 mins and give you a proper reply :)17:25
rcg1alright, no need to hurry :)17:31
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Stskeepsrcg1: back18:14
Stskeepsrcg1: so, we have places for middleware, see http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS18:14
Stskeepsand anybody can submit their packages to those18:15
Stskeepsgenerally we'll help review your packaging upon submission, including automated checks18:15
rcg1ah great18:16
rcg1wb btw ;)18:16
Stskeepsand chances are it'd be rejected in first try, but it's only to help you learn better18:16
rcg1so i could add this qca2 stuff to CE:MW:Shared?18:16
Stskeepscorrect18:16
rcg1sure, that's no problem for me, i presume there are quite some things that can be improved in the current version18:17
rcg1and i am willing to learn as well ;)18:18
Stskeeps:nod:18:18
StskeepsMer's also available for contribution, though that's a different method to be used (gerrit, ssh, git)18:18
rcg1ic18:18
Stskeepsthough we wouldn't put qca2 in there probably, as we try to keep the package surface small there18:18
Stskeepscheck out http://review.merproject.org one day :)18:18
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rcg1well, for now i am more concerned about adding packages18:19
Stskeeps:nod:18:19
Stskeepsthe method is the so called submitrequest command of osc, and people are happy to help with weird questions, especially if you help wiki-ize the knowledge18:19
rcg1ah, great18:20
rcg1well, yeah, i wrote down the steps i did on packaging my meego/harmattan apps in my blog: http://bit.ly/JpEQqe18:20
Stskeepsfeel free to check out http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html to gain more insight into OBS as well18:21
Stskeeps(expand the items)18:21
Stskeepshope that answered your questions :)18:21
Stskeeps#nemomobile is for nemo specific questions, though generic usage questions is welcome here too18:21
rcg1great, that's all very useful information. thanks a lot :D18:22
Stskeepsnp18:22
rcg1i assume the submitrequest process is similar to pushing apps in the testing repository of apps.formeego.com?18:24
Stskeepsyes18:24
rcg1just with the difference that some of you guys reviews the requests then18:24
Stskeepsand machines18:24
rcg1ic18:24
rcg1then i can also do this via the obs web interface.. for some reason i never got comfortable with osc for now ;918:25
rcg1;)18:25
Stskeeps:nod: it's just difficult sometimes to submit a new package with web interface18:25
Stskeepsas far as i recall18:25
Stskeepsbut that may have changed18:26
Stskeepsosc's a great tool :P18:26
rcg1hehe ic.. well i might give it another shot ;)18:27
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StskeepsSage: please re-review http://review.merproject.org/41518:32
Stskeepsthe disable blkid thing is OK18:32
trip0Stskeeps: !!!18:33
Stskeeps'lo trip018:34
Stskeepswhat's up?18:34
trip0my beaglebone arrived18:37
Stskeepswoo :)18:37
trip0with lcd cape18:37
Stskeepssounds nice18:37
trip0is there a mer image I can try?18:37
Stskeepsgot your own kernel?18:37
trip0i've got one that shipped with it18:37
trip03.118:37
Stskeepsfirst off, install Mer Platform SDK, it's painless, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK18:37
Stskeepsand after that, you just go ahead and build one of our reference images, and put it on sd18:37
Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120405.1/kickstarts/18:38
Stskeepslbt: we're lacking kickstarts for release?18:38
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Aardyes18:56
Stskeepsfun18:56
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Venemohey guys :)18:57
Stskeepslo Venemo18:58
Venemowhat's up? :)18:58
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Stskeepsnot much, relaxing and pondering to go read a book before sleep19:03
VenemoI usually read something before I sleep. not much, just a few pages. something to think about.19:03
Stskeeps:nod:19:04
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lbtevening19:12
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Stskeepsevening lbt, had a good day?19:12
lbtStskeeps: yes, I need to do SDK to do .ks ... meant to do that today19:13
lbtaye - coffee maker repairs (again) and other stuff19:13
Stskeeps:nod:19:13
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lbtmmm sounds like we need a review of the systems install guides19:14
lbtI'll add that to my VM install19:14
SageStskeeps: hmmp...19:15
StskeepsSage: mm?19:15
SageStskeeps: did you see my comment previously on that package?19:16
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Sageah, sry19:16
Stskeepsyes, i saw the blkid one19:17
Stskeepsanything else wrong in the spec?19:21
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SageStskeeps: well missed couple of things in previous review. So I guess it is ok. :)19:25
SageYou should not need: BuildRequires: pkgconfig19:25
Sageas it is implicit by rpm when using pkgconfig(name)19:25
Stskeepsagreed19:25
Stskeepswell19:25
Stskeepsis it really?19:25
Sagealso: Obsoletes: e4fsprogs  and Provides: e4fsprogs basically says that this package conflicts with it self :)19:25
Stskeepsit's Provides: pkgconfig(name)  , and then BuildRequires: pkgconfig(name)19:26
Stskeepsie, Provides is generated19:26
Stskeepssays nothing about pkgconfig itself19:26
Stskeepsit is implicit from prjconf however19:26
Stskeepsbut yes, you're right, please add those comments19:27
Sagerpm can't check "BuildRequires: pkgconfig(name)" without having pkgconfig istalld.19:27
Stskeepshmm19:27
Sageso "BuildRequires: pkgconfig" should not be needed.19:27
Sageor at least that is my impression19:27
Stskeepsi'm not 100% it's such, but anyway, it's a bit superflous19:28
Sagewhen ever rpm package installs .pc file to pkgconfig dir rpm automaitcally installs pkgconfig package19:28
Stskeepsit would anyway, as it's in prjconf19:28
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Sageok, after reconnecting 15 times during past 30minst this is enough for today19:39
Stskeepsyeah, seeya in the morning19:40
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GeekShad1whello20:02
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crazyusbhello GeekShadow20:02
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Stskeepswelcome GeekShadow, :) so what brings you here to #mer?20:05
GeekShadowI live near "la mer" :D20:06
GeekShadowno that's just crazyusb who told me about the project20:07
Stskeepsah, cool20:07
GeekShadowi'm a mozilla contributor20:07
Stskeepsif you have any questions, don't hesistate to ask, else feel free to hang out20:07
* GeekShadow like the website theme :)20:08
Stskeepsyeah, though a bit lacking in content20:08
GeekShadowStskeeps, so is the project link to the vivaldi tablet ?20:08
Stskeepswiki is more informative20:08
StskeepsGeekShadow: vivaldi guys is a external project that uses plasma active on top of mer, with a vivaldi hw adaptation20:09
Stskeepswe deliver core to many vendors, amongst those, vivaldi guys, and they feed contributions back to mer and bug reports20:09
Stskeepsinstead of everybody fighting to have their own good core, we share the effort :)20:10
GeekShadowso mer is an operating system for mobile/tablets ?20:10
GeekShadowbuilded for arm targets ?20:10
Stskeepsish.. mix it with a ui and a hw adaptation and it's bootable and usable20:11
Stskeepswe build for generic x86, atom, armv6/7 softfp hardfp, mips20:11
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GeekShadowStskeeps, I suppose the web engine is webkit ?20:13
Stskeepswe have qt and qt webkit but in no way force you to use or even install it20:14
Stskeepssome people do gecko on top20:14
Stskeepsothers do gtk based systems20:14
GeekShadowoh ok20:15
GeekShadowso mer is just a basic linux os without any ui ?20:15
Stskeepssortof, we also focus on low power, mobile, easy to put on devices20:16
dm8tbrgiven that it comes without a kernel you could probably try to run a bsd kernel ;)20:16
Stskeepswhich is different from many distros kitchensink approach20:16
Stskeepswe are also more than code, we're also systems20:17
Stskeepsqa tools, image creators, build farm software..etc20:17
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Stskeepsbbl sleep20:26
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phaeronhttp://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2012-January/msg00018.html hmm interesting21:03
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