| phloon | silence | 00:03 |
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| tadzik | I suppose everyone's asleep. I wish I could help you, but I still have not tried nemo on my n900 | 00:07 |
| beford | sorry I dont get your question | 00:08 |
| beford | both n900 have the sd reader damaged? | 00:09 |
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| bounty | could install on internal MMC. i'd rearrange partitions so MyDocs is 2gb, /home (and mer) is 30gb | 01:42 |
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| bounty | or even create an additional parttion just for mer. i kinda like having it chrootable on a normal maemo fs though | 01:43 |
| bounty | mainly cuz maemo's automount stuff is crazy - one shell script creating an fstab, etc | 01:44 |
| bounty | easy to get it into reboot-loops by hacking on them | 01:45 |
| bounty | although using u-boot helps | 01:45 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: will kick once main repos are done building | 07:03 |
| Sage | k | 07:06 |
| * Stskeeps is looking into tizen u-boot | 07:07 | |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: i don't suppose you tried wiring up your serial connection to ref device yet | 07:24 |
| dm8tbr | it might very well do the USB port UART thing | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | https://review.tizen.org/git/?p=kernel/u-boot.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/cpu/armv7/s5p-common/usb_downloader.c;h=f7c80340d1ad86b536d152f595b870182d1b92d4;hb=0b80da05ae27f8eeacc978486e9e747b03064b09 is the 'downloader' thing btw | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | https://review.tizen.org/git/?p=kernel/u-boot.git;a=blob;f=common/cmd_usbd.c;h=574bf3083fb8835d1a2690100f916ca0fa20a38c;hb=0b80da05ae27f8eeacc978486e9e747b03064b09 specifically being the impl | 07:32 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: have't tried | 07:32 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: you have a cable though (if it didn't fall apart again...) | 07:33 |
| Sage | well it broke down again and didn't see where the problem was. Gave it to others to debug more. | 07:37 |
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| dm8tbr | :/ | 07:50 |
| * Stskeeps ponders where he put his mmc dump | 07:54 | |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: what filename did you call your 16mb dump? | 08:06 |
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| Sage | 16mb dump? | 08:09 |
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| CosmoHill | woof / other greetings | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: from the tizen ref device sd card | 08:17 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: you mean this http://sage.kapsi.fi/tizen/mmcblk0-start ? | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | right | 10:14 |
| * Stskeeps could really need a full dump of that thing if possible, somehow.. | 10:15 | |
| Sage | full dump of the whole mmc ? | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | bz2'ed of course | 10:29 |
| CosmoHill | xz | 10:31 |
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| Sage | xz probably better idea :) | 10:57 |
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| Stskeeps | The Following 4,294,967,294 Users Say Thank You to Stskeeps For This Useful Post: - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1208927&postcount=54 | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | booyah | 11:32 |
| Bostik | nice following | 11:34 |
| Bostik | you could start a cult :) | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | some might claim i already have | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:35 |
| * Stskeeps waits for mer-next to calm down building | 11:35 | |
| Bostik | fair enough | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | looking forward to including rest of qt5 | 11:35 |
| Bostik | wheeee! | 11:36 |
| Bostik | I'm waiting for alpha2 to get tagged, could update the packaging and start (hopefully) tracking more closely again after that | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | we'll probably just take major tagged releases into mer, ie, alpha1, alpha2, etc | 11:37 |
| Bostik | makes perfect sense | 11:38 |
| jbos_ | ping lbt | 11:39 |
| jbos_ | you had this image building website, like uploading a ks file and getting an image | 11:39 |
| jbos_ | is this public? Opensource? I'm just wondering how it works :D | 11:40 |
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| phaeron | jbos_: yeah imager , it's open , I wrote it | 11:44 |
| jbos_ | so you need boss for this? or can it run standalone? | 11:45 |
| phaeron | it uses boss , but you don't have to hook that boss instance up to OBS. so fairly standalone | 11:46 |
| jbos_ | can y point me to some repo? so i can instruct my self? | 11:48 |
| jbos_ | ideally some current documentation | 11:48 |
| phaeron | jbos_: documentation should get you started. http://autodoc.meego.com/mint/imager/ | 11:48 |
| jbos_ | :D | 11:48 |
| phaeron | jbos_: I am pushing a new version tonight (hopefully) | 11:49 |
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| jbos_ | sounds cool. thanks. I'm currently looking for a good way to produce my mer+gecko images for several targets :) I was thinking about some jenkins server but this looks worth a look | 11:53 |
| jbos_ | you write there "an already existing BOSS ... is expected to be accesible | 11:54 |
| phaeron | jbos_: I am using and developing it actively. so if you try it and have issues or comments please tell me and I can fix them | 11:54 |
| phaeron | jbos_: if you don't have one already just install it on same machine | 11:55 |
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| phaeron | I should modify that statement :) | 11:55 |
| jbos_ | :) what base system do your recommend? | 11:56 |
| jbos_ | which version | 11:56 |
| phaeron | opensuse 11.4 , debian testing | 11:57 |
| phaeron | for separate worker opensuse 12.1 should work too | 11:57 |
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| jbos_ | so you use 11.4 yourself? | 11:58 |
| phaeron | yes | 11:59 |
| jbos_ | ok, then i will use it too :) I learned the hard way that I should always use the same system as the dev :) | 12:00 |
| phaeron | that's sadly true , for example the last update I pushed depends on a package which I packaged for opensuse , but didn't get to package yet for debian | 12:01 |
| jbos_ | my mer obs runs on opensuse 12.1 | 12:02 |
| jbos_ | was some fun since those guys renamed some packages | 12:02 |
| jbos_ | :D | 12:02 |
| phaeron | and systemd on 12.1 is badly integrated | 12:03 |
| jbos_ | yes well, it work now. :) | 12:03 |
| jbos_ | but next time I use 11.4 | 12:04 |
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| jbos_ | mhm installing boss on a plain 11.4 cause: Installing: python-boss-skynet-0.6.2-1.1 [done] Additional rpm output: head: cannot open `/usr/bin/skynet' for reading: No such file or directory | 12:47 |
| jbos_ | and | 12:48 |
| jbos_ | Installing: boss-0.7.0-1.1 [done] Additional rpm output: /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.z4NBiq: line 11: /usr/bin/svok: No such file or directory | 12:48 |
| jbos_ | ERROR: is supervisord running ? | 12:49 |
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| crazyusb | Hi | 15:49 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | hey crazyusb :) | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | welcome - so what brings you here to #mer ? | 15:51 |
| crazyusb | for discover mer ( Sorry for my english i'm french ) | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, your english is fine :) | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out | 15:52 |
| CosmoHill | I find only people with good english apologise for not speaking good english | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: awareness is key | 15:53 |
| CosmoHill | so is the ability to spell the word "apologise" | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | it's with z, isn't it | 15:54 |
| CosmoHill | for american english it is | 15:54 |
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| CosmoHill | not all the words made it over the atlantic in one piece | 15:56 |
| CosmoHill | like "centre" is "center" | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | either way, we're getting off topic.. | 15:56 |
| CosmoHill | yes, sorry. | 15:56 |
| jbos_ | mrg, so i got a bit further on this boss thing... well I installed some packages after installing python-xml... however In http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Installation there is "to run boss: rcboss start / stop" | 15:58 |
| jbos_ | but... there is no rcboss in those package | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | if you run into bugs, please file in the integration tools bug component, fwiw | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | the guides may be ancinet | 16:00 |
| jbos_ | well ye guss they are :) | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | just a silly question.. in a tizen reference code quote, i see stuff like https://developer.tizen.org/help/topic/org.tizen.help.web.api.device/tizen/bluetooth.html#createBondingid2621040 | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | the tizen. part | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't this practically mean they can't ever be 'standardized' apis? | 16:11 |
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| jbos_ | filed a bug... somehow also installation of img-worker simply hang it self up | 16:17 |
| jbos_ | at 0% | 16:17 |
| jbos_ | if i intererupt it hangs in skynet | 16:18 |
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| jbos_ | guess lbt would know :) i filed a bug about boss installation | 16:27 |
| jbos_ | lets see, i wont give it a try to day then, maybe during the week would be nice if this works | 16:28 |
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| Stskeeps | jbos_: can B2G do | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | '.wgt' ? | 16:40 |
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| rcg1 | hi | 17:06 |
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| rcg1 | i am fairly new to mer/nemo development but i started to "port" some of my existing applications to nemo. in that process i also wrote down the steps i did: http://bit.ly/JpEQqe | 17:09 |
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| rcg1 | furthermore, during this work i also packaged the harmattan versions of qca2 and libqca2-plugin-ossl for Mer/Nemo | 17:10 |
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| rcg1 | from my perspective it would be nice if qca2 and libqca2-plugin-ossl could be added to some of the "stock" repositories because one of my applications depends on it (that's why i re-packaged these in the first place) | 17:13 |
| rcg1 | if there are any quality assurance guidelines or the like it would be nice if you could point me to them then i would try to prepare the packages such they adhere to your standards | 17:14 |
| rcg1 | i hope this is the right communication channel for these topics | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | it is, though i'll be back in ~30 mins and give you a proper reply :) | 17:25 |
| rcg1 | alright, no need to hurry :) | 17:31 |
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| Stskeeps | rcg1: back | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | rcg1: so, we have places for middleware, see http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | and anybody can submit their packages to those | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | generally we'll help review your packaging upon submission, including automated checks | 18:15 |
| rcg1 | ah great | 18:16 |
| rcg1 | wb btw ;) | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | and chances are it'd be rejected in first try, but it's only to help you learn better | 18:16 |
| rcg1 | so i could add this qca2 stuff to CE:MW:Shared? | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 18:16 |
| rcg1 | sure, that's no problem for me, i presume there are quite some things that can be improved in the current version | 18:17 |
| rcg1 | and i am willing to learn as well ;) | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | Mer's also available for contribution, though that's a different method to be used (gerrit, ssh, git) | 18:18 |
| rcg1 | ic | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | though we wouldn't put qca2 in there probably, as we try to keep the package surface small there | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | check out http://review.merproject.org one day :) | 18:18 |
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| rcg1 | well, for now i am more concerned about adding packages | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | the method is the so called submitrequest command of osc, and people are happy to help with weird questions, especially if you help wiki-ize the knowledge | 18:19 |
| rcg1 | ah, great | 18:20 |
| rcg1 | well, yeah, i wrote down the steps i did on packaging my meego/harmattan apps in my blog: http://bit.ly/JpEQqe | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to check out http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html to gain more insight into OBS as well | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | (expand the items) | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | hope that answered your questions :) | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | #nemomobile is for nemo specific questions, though generic usage questions is welcome here too | 18:21 |
| rcg1 | great, that's all very useful information. thanks a lot :D | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | np | 18:22 |
| rcg1 | i assume the submitrequest process is similar to pushing apps in the testing repository of apps.formeego.com? | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:24 |
| rcg1 | just with the difference that some of you guys reviews the requests then | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | and machines | 18:24 |
| rcg1 | ic | 18:24 |
| rcg1 | then i can also do this via the obs web interface.. for some reason i never got comfortable with osc for now ;9 | 18:25 |
| rcg1 | ;) | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: it's just difficult sometimes to submit a new package with web interface | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | as far as i recall | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | but that may have changed | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | osc's a great tool :P | 18:26 |
| rcg1 | hehe ic.. well i might give it another shot ;) | 18:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: please re-review http://review.merproject.org/415 | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | the disable blkid thing is OK | 18:32 |
| trip0 | Stskeeps: !!! | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo trip0 | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | what's up? | 18:34 |
| trip0 | my beaglebone arrived | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | woo :) | 18:37 |
| trip0 | with lcd cape | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | sounds nice | 18:37 |
| trip0 | is there a mer image I can try? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | got your own kernel? | 18:37 |
| trip0 | i've got one that shipped with it | 18:37 |
| trip0 | 3.1 | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | first off, install Mer Platform SDK, it's painless, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | and after that, you just go ahead and build one of our reference images, and put it on sd | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120405.1/kickstarts/ | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: we're lacking kickstarts for release? | 18:38 |
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| Aard | yes | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | fun | 18:56 |
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| Venemo | hey guys :) | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | lo Venemo | 18:58 |
| Venemo | what's up? :) | 18:58 |
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| Stskeeps | not much, relaxing and pondering to go read a book before sleep | 19:03 |
| Venemo | I usually read something before I sleep. not much, just a few pages. something to think about. | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:04 |
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| lbt | evening | 19:12 |
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| Stskeeps | evening lbt, had a good day? | 19:12 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes, I need to do SDK to do .ks ... meant to do that today | 19:13 |
| lbt | aye - coffee maker repairs (again) and other stuff | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:13 |
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| lbt | mmm sounds like we need a review of the systems install guides | 19:14 |
| lbt | I'll add that to my VM install | 19:14 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: hmmp... | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: mm? | 19:15 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: did you see my comment previously on that package? | 19:16 |
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| Sage | ah, sry | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i saw the blkid one | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | anything else wrong in the spec? | 19:21 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: well missed couple of things in previous review. So I guess it is ok. :) | 19:25 |
| Sage | You should not need: BuildRequires: pkgconfig | 19:25 |
| Sage | as it is implicit by rpm when using pkgconfig(name) | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | agreed | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | well | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | is it really? | 19:25 |
| Sage | also: Obsoletes: e4fsprogs and Provides: e4fsprogs basically says that this package conflicts with it self :) | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | it's Provides: pkgconfig(name) , and then BuildRequires: pkgconfig(name) | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | ie, Provides is generated | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | says nothing about pkgconfig itself | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | it is implicit from prjconf however | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, you're right, please add those comments | 19:27 |
| Sage | rpm can't check "BuildRequires: pkgconfig(name)" without having pkgconfig istalld. | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 19:27 |
| Sage | so "BuildRequires: pkgconfig" should not be needed. | 19:27 |
| Sage | or at least that is my impression | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not 100% it's such, but anyway, it's a bit superflous | 19:28 |
| Sage | when ever rpm package installs .pc file to pkgconfig dir rpm automaitcally installs pkgconfig package | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | it would anyway, as it's in prjconf | 19:28 |
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| Sage | ok, after reconnecting 15 times during past 30minst this is enough for today | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, seeya in the morning | 19:40 |
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| GeekShad1w | hello | 20:02 |
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| crazyusb | hello GeekShadow | 20:02 |
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| Stskeeps | welcome GeekShadow, :) so what brings you here to #mer? | 20:05 |
| GeekShadow | I live near "la mer" :D | 20:06 |
| GeekShadow | no that's just crazyusb who told me about the project | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | ah, cool | 20:07 |
| GeekShadow | i'm a mozilla contributor | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | if you have any questions, don't hesistate to ask, else feel free to hang out | 20:07 |
| * GeekShadow like the website theme :) | 20:08 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah, though a bit lacking in content | 20:08 |
| GeekShadow | Stskeeps, so is the project link to the vivaldi tablet ? | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | wiki is more informative | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | GeekShadow: vivaldi guys is a external project that uses plasma active on top of mer, with a vivaldi hw adaptation | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | we deliver core to many vendors, amongst those, vivaldi guys, and they feed contributions back to mer and bug reports | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | instead of everybody fighting to have their own good core, we share the effort :) | 20:10 |
| GeekShadow | so mer is an operating system for mobile/tablets ? | 20:10 |
| GeekShadow | builded for arm targets ? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | ish.. mix it with a ui and a hw adaptation and it's bootable and usable | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | we build for generic x86, atom, armv6/7 softfp hardfp, mips | 20:11 |
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| GeekShadow | Stskeeps, I suppose the web engine is webkit ? | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | we have qt and qt webkit but in no way force you to use or even install it | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | some people do gecko on top | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | others do gtk based systems | 20:14 |
| GeekShadow | oh ok | 20:15 |
| GeekShadow | so mer is just a basic linux os without any ui ? | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | sortof, we also focus on low power, mobile, easy to put on devices | 20:16 |
| dm8tbr | given that it comes without a kernel you could probably try to run a bsd kernel ;) | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | which is different from many distros kitchensink approach | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | we are also more than code, we're also systems | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | qa tools, image creators, build farm software..etc | 20:17 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 20:26 |
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| phaeron | http://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2012-January/msg00018.html hmm interesting | 21:03 |
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