Thursday, 2012-05-17

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damianohello00:50
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IanWizard-Clouddamiano: welcome01:02
damianoI am on ubuntu and trying to cross compile a kernel for meego, can I ask here?01:03
damianois there anybody?01:04
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ali1234damiano: cross compiling is really easy01:33
ali1234all you need is a cross compiler, kernel source, and .config01:33
ali1234so assuming you have those, what's the exact problem?01:34
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damianohttp://pastebin.com/2sbTV9vs01:36
damianoI get this error01:36
ali1234what cross compiler are you using?01:37
damiano arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc01:39
damianoon ubuntu 11.1001:39
ali1234version?01:39
damianogcc version 4.6.1 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.1-9ubuntu3)01:39
ali1234https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.5/+bug/66991201:40
ali1234this is a known bug with newer gcc and older kernel01:40
ali1234you can ether patch the kernel or use an older toolchain01:40
damianowhich is better? :-P01:41
ali1234depends what you're trying to do01:42
damianoI think patch... where i can find it?01:42
ali1234patch is in the comments on that bug01:42
damianook I read01:42
damianoI think it's different01:43
damianoit's a problem with mach-omap201:43
ali1234n9, n900 is omap01:44
damianoops01:44
damianoI didn't tell you...01:45
ali1234well, i see, msm01:45
damianoI'm following this guide:01:45
damianohttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/Touchpad01:45
ali1234you'll need to patch up the msm kernel same way01:45
ali1234easiest way is going to be get an old toolchain01:45
damianoyes01:46
damianohow?01:46
damianohow much older?01:47
ali1234~200901:47
ali1234https://sourcery.mentor.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package5383/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2009q3-67-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz201:48
ali1234http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/linwizard/wiki/CodeSourceryHOWTO01:48
ali1234oh that's 32 bit btw01:51
ali1234so you need the 32 bit support libraries01:52
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ali1234looks like ubuntu has a gcc 4.4 package you could try that too01:54
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wmarone__soon as he gets back01:54
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Stskeepsgood morning05:27
ZiQiangHuanmorning Stskeeps05:33
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I download some qt applications, seems they need SDL to run. So Can I run them on mer if I install SDL packages?05:34
Stskeepsyeah, if you build SDL for mer it should work fine05:35
Stskeepsbut what app needs SDL, out of curiousity?05:35
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: some games based on qt, as you know, we have to show mer's ablity to someone else05:37
Stskeepsok05:37
Stskeepsyou can probably take the meego source packages and re-use those05:38
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes, I am doing this05:38
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: seems you got up early, a good habit05:39
Stskeepsactually fairly late today :P05:39
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: what's the time there?05:39
Stskeepsi am trying to get back to 22-6.30am again, but my time zone shift to san francisco ruined that05:39
Stskeeps7:39am05:39
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yeah. I always go to bed at 23:50 or later05:40
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps:  QGLWidget is needed too, it is a  widget for rendering OpenGL graphics, seems not to be able to run on our device05:47
Stskeepsah, yes05:48
Stskeepsyou can't use opengl as you don't have opengl es05:48
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Stskeepsmorn Alison_Chaiken :)05:50
Stskeepsyour head feeling better these days?05:50
Alison_ChaikenHuomenta, Stskeeps.    Uneventful journey home, I hope?05:50
Alison_ChaikenHead is still not quite 100%, but staying off my bike has made me more productive!   I hope.05:51
Stskeepsyeah, mostly - on the way down to warsaw they had to abort the landing due to tail wind and retry in opposite direction, but otherwise fairly uneventful, just long - I had difficulties understanding people's accent in Detroit05:51
Alison_ChaikenI'm on new committee to publish in a repo some currently closed automotive Linux code.   Cool, huh?05:51
Stskeepscool05:52
Alison_ChaikenInteresting to be involved before SW is released.   We're discussing what other projects might be used as good and bad examples of how to do it.05:52
Alison_ChaikenNot that anyone can think of any bad examples of project governance, of course.05:52
Alison_ChaikenNope, can't come up with even one.05:53
Alison_ChaikenI always put in a good word for Mer, though!05:53
Stskeepsjust make sure that 1) it's possible for outsiders to contribute in a sane manner 2) that the discussions for direction moves outside the office, even though they're sometimes sitting next to eachother05:53
Stskeepssimple as that05:53
Stskeeps:P05:53
Stskeepswhich is sometimes very hard to do05:54
Alison_ChaikenI'm going to argue for an IRC channel and a single, identifiable project spokesperson as well.05:55
Alison_ChaikenA project spokeperson need not be a "community manager," but just someone who makes sure that questions are relayed to someone who will answer them.05:56
Alison_ChaikenMuch better as an outsider to be told, "I don't know!"  (which is often the case) than to receive no answer.05:56
Stskeepsa mailing list also works, to spread the load, but yes05:57
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E-Pmorning06:32
Stskeepsmorn E-P :)06:34
* Stskeeps ponders how he can pull off a good 30 minute talk with two days warning..06:35
E-Pwhat is the topic?06:36
Stskeepsmaemo.org and related initiatives, the power of community06:37
Stskeepsgot asked if i could replace someone in a miniconference here in poland06:38
E-Pnice, 30mins goes fast :)06:40
Stskeepsshould be fine, yeah - considering it's a topic i usually just babble on about06:40
Stskeeps:P06:40
E-Pheh06:41
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sonachStskeeps: morning!06:47
sonachStskeeps: Is it possible to run N9 apps on Mer?  When I run N9 app on Mer, it reports error: module "com.nokia.meego" is not installed.06:48
sonachwhere to  download rpm for com.nokia.meego?06:49
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Stskeepssonach: it is, you'll need the qt-components from Nemo project06:53
Stskeepsand possibly some theme files06:53
sonachStskeeps: where to get qt-components of Nemo?06:55
Stskeepsmoment06:55
Stskeepsin http://repo.pub.meego.com/CE:/Apps/CE_MW_Shared_armv7l/06:55
sonachok,06:56
Stskeepsyou'll probably need http://repo.pub.meego.com/CE:/MW:/MTF/CE_MW_Shared_armv7l/  meegotouch-theme and meegotouch-theme-graphics and http://repo.pub.meego.com/CE:/UX:/MTF/CE_MW_MTF_armv7l/ 's meegotouch-theme-darko06:57
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sonachStskeeps: but I don't need to 'touch'. Now I operate with wireless USB mouse,06:58
Stskeepsyes, i know06:58
Stskeepsmeegotouch is some of the technology behind harmattan, and well, themes are just naemd like that06:58
Stskeepsyou can use it with mouse fine06:59
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sonachStskeeps: OK,07:00
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Stskeepsbtw, tizen conference has slides and videos / audio up now for the conference, https://www.tizen.org/conference/tizen-developer-conference/schedule07:01
Stskeepsif you're interested to see what they're doing07:01
StskeepsNext Gen OS Initialization Done Right07:01
Stskeepsis quite interesting at least07:01
E-Pthanks for the link!07:01
sonachok:)07:01
sonach'Next Gen OS Initialization Done Right'??07:01
Stskeepsyes07:01
Stskeepssystemd for user sessions07:01
Stskeepsie, systemd instead of /etc/xdg/autostart07:02
sonachsystemd == Next Gen OS??07:02
Stskeepsno, Next generation "os initialization"07:02
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sonachStskeeps: I don't find meegotouch-theme and meegotouch-theme-graphics at all... Is the rpm name wrong?07:03
sonachStskeeps: now the error is: plugin cannot be loaded for module "com.nokia.meego": Cannot load library /usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/meego/libmeegoplugin.so: (libmaliit-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)07:05
Stskeepssonach: ah.. ok, it might be difficult to get this working07:05
Stskeepsyou need several repositories07:05
Stskeepssonach: look in 'noarch' as well07:06
Stskeepsthat message means you need to install maliit too, it should be in one of the CE:/ directories07:06
sonachStskeeps: ah, I see the two rpms in noarch,07:06
Stskeepsanyway, i have to go to driver lessons07:07
Stskeepsgood luck with it - be aware that you might have to pull in a lot for having a handset stack07:07
Stskeepsso if it doesn't work after an hour, i'd give up07:07
Stskeepsand look for other app things to show07:08
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sonachStskeeps: ok, it seems that it is not a good way to run N9 apps on my device...07:09
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lbtmorning all08:08
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* lbt had dreams about how to make OBS copyproj work .... lessee...08:09
lbtdoes anyone have a pink rabbit BTW ... seems I'll be needing one...08:09
slainemorning all08:11
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phaeronlbt: I've mostly finished what I was working on and can start looking at it with you08:15
lbtphaeron: OK ...08:15
phaeronI just need to wake up enough for perl08:16
lbtI think the problem is that the schedulers are responding to pings08:16
lbtbefore all the packages are copied and sane08:16
lbtso I'm thinking to disable build08:16
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phaeronyou mean disable ping ?08:18
lbtno08:18
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lbtcopyproj reuses too many normal methods08:18
lbtfunctions08:18
lbt(this is so not OO)08:19
phaeronyes08:19
lbtso disable build in the new prj meta at the start (in api)08:19
lbtthen the schedulers will ignore it (I hope)08:19
lbtthen re-enable at the end08:19
lbtpossibly even do a recheck08:19
phaeronhmm08:19
phaeronit's worth a shot08:19
lbtit's so racy08:20
phaeronalthough not so clean approach08:20
lbtand with things like multiple repo-server setups and busy srcsrver08:20
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lbtI think that's actually close to taking a scheduler lock08:20
phaeronit'll still be racy as the frontend will volley the request to the backend and return before it is done08:21
phaeronI think08:21
lbtI dunno08:21
lbtI think not08:21
lbtthe api does the call in delayed_api08:21
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lbtand it looks sync08:21
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lbtdamned obs10:47
lbtscript uses __FILE__ to try and find the config ... which is a PITA when it's symlinked to your dev fs over NFS10:47
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phaeronlbt: what was the url to config the webui ?11:07
lbtmy script?11:07
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phaeronno the /admin/setup thing11:08
lbtah, api config?11:08
lbthttps://obsfe:444/11:09
lbtor there's https://obsfe/configuration/connect_instance11:09
phaeronconnect_instance ?11:10
lbtremote link admin?11:10
phaeronmm11:10
phaeronnever mind11:10
lbthttps://obsfe/configuration ?11:12
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* Stskeeps yawns11:15
Stskeepshow's prjcopy going?11:16
lbtpainfully11:17
lbtright now ... damned delayed_jobs aren't logging ... which makes debug a touch hard11:17
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lbtand ruby just *loves* making you play "hunt the definition"11:18
Stskeeps:nod:11:20
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Stskeepslbt: just validating nemo on x86 and i think we can go for .111:42
lbtOK11:42
Stskeepsbtw, we need "add version to bugzilla" in release steps11:42
lbtit's there11:42
lbtdid I miss it last time?11:43
Stskeepslast one is 0.20120419.111:43
* lbt is not sufficiently automatic :/11:43
lbtthat was the last release11:43
Stskeepsok11:44
Stskeepsrelease steps also go for prereleases i guess?11:44
lbtit was a concious decision not to ... meant to discuss11:44
Stskeepsok11:45
lbtrelated to retention policy I guess11:45
* lbt avoids thinking too much so as not to loose any current OBS context11:46
Stskeepsok11:46
Stskeepsgo on with obs first11:46
Stskeepsi'll validate and then queue a release with you11:46
lbtta11:46
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Stskeepslbt: OK for release whenever you have time today11:57
lbtok12:01
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sonachhi, how to enable Qt to support other language?13:22
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Stskeepsin which sense?13:25
sonachStskeeps: Now when I run Qtwebkit with qmlviewer, Chinese is not displayed correctly,13:26
sonachI think if I put *.ttf to somewhere will solve this problem,13:26
sonachbut I don't know where to put...13:26
Stskeepssonach: yeah, /usr/share/fonts maybe13:30
Stskeepsdid you install cjkuni-fonts ?13:30
sonachStskeeps: After doing some tests, we find that Qtwebkit is fast, and well-supports HTML5.13:30
Stskeepsoh good13:30
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sonachStskeeps: no. Do you remember when make the footprint low, we deleted cjkuni-fonts,13:30
sonachIs cjkuni-fonts necessary?13:31
sonachIf so, I can install this rpm anyway,13:31
Stskeepsyes, cjkuni is chinese-japanese-korean13:32
sonachok, I will try them tomorrow. Any other instructions?13:33
sonachIf no, I will shutdown my PC and go to sleep:)13:34
Stskeepsi don't have any better ideas right now :)13:34
Stskeepsi need to learn more about internationalization, these things are important13:34
sonachyes, especially when dealing with products...13:34
sonachthank you and see you:)13:34
lbtsonach: we'd appreciate any info you find into the wiki13:35
lbtg'night :)13:35
sonachlbt: you mean... internationalization??13:35
lbtsonach: yes13:35
lbtor anything else - including demos and other issues you encounter13:36
sonachlbt: OK. Now our demos are qml demos from QtSDK and some Qt apps we compiles.13:36
lbtwe also want to talk about using OBS, IMG and other Mer systems at some point13:36
sonachlbt: what do you mean ?13:37
lbtwe have automation and QA tools that are useful when you build products13:37
lbtthese become more useful at different stages of the development13:38
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lbtI know that first you need to get a demo sorted :)13:39
sonachlbt: ah, yes. We are doing integration these days and our Mer version is still 20120120. And I plan to upgrade soon. We are not keeping up with Mer:)13:39
lbt*nod*13:39
lbtand we have things like IMG13:39
Stskeeps0120 was a good release, too ;)13:39
lbtwhich you may find useful to automate making test images13:39
Stskeepsthink we need to have it functioning well for mer core first as well13:40
lbtagreed13:40
* lbt goes back to it13:40
sonachcool:)13:41
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slaineI think I might sonach in the land of nod13:46
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SageStskeeps, lbt: today mer release is when it was planned? :)14:56
Sagethe version matches with date I mean14:56
Stskeepsi've let lbt queue it but it should come during today14:56
Stskeepswhy?14:57
* lbt is preparing for it BTW15:02
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Stskeepslbt: any blockers?17:55
lbtjust chundering through17:57
Stskeepschundering?17:58
lbthmmm engine sounds...18:00
Stskeepsa18:00
Stskeepsh18:00
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lbtnb ... Stskeeps no changes since .0.118:07
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vgradeevening18:24
SageStskeeps: Well, I think this would be first release that is announced during the day that was marked to the release number ;)18:25
Stskeepsuh-huh18:37
Stskeeps:P18:37
Stskeepslbt: that's good18:37
Stskeeps:P18:37
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SageStskeeps: we have probably an issue with systemd atm.18:55
Sage 1172 root      20   0  213m  26m 6104 S  2.3 11.6  47:21.59 systemd-jounal18:55
Stskeepsdevice?18:55
SageN90018:55
Stskeepsdmesg?18:56
Sage[110408.881805] cmt_speech cmt_speech: HSI port not initialized18:56
Sage[110408.888275] cmt_speech cmt_speech: Unable to initialize HSI18:56
Stskeepsok, flooding over and over?18:56
Sagethat issue 2 lines 2 times in a second18:56
Stskeepsok18:56
Sagebut systemd should not probably still take such amount of memory. But can't be sure.18:56
Stskeepsagreed18:57
Stskeepsmaybe the default conf stores in memory18:57
Sagehttp://pastie.org/3926887 :P18:59
Stskeepsokay, so this is mer-next?18:59
Sageyes18:59
Sageconnman is the new one I'm testing at19:00
Stskeepswell19:00
phaeronat least configure RateLimitInterval=, RateLimitBurst= in /etc/systemd/systemd-journald.conf19:00
Stskeepsyour /path/to/your/service is wrong19:00
Sageyes, but it should not segfault :)19:00
Stskeepsi mean19:00
Stskeeps dbus-send --system --dest=net.connman --print-reply "/path/to/your/service/" org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable.Introspect19:00
Stskeepsprocess 1438: arguments to dbus_message_new_method_call() were incorrect, assertion "_dbus_check_is_valid_path (path)" failed in file dbus-message.c line 1204.19:00
Stskeepsit actually checks it19:00
Stskeeps:P19:00
Stskeepsof course you may wonder why assertions are on in the first placfe19:00
Stskeepsbut i wouldn't call that a showstopper19:02
Stskeepsyou give it bad input, it fails19:02
Stskeepsspectacularly19:02
Stskeeps:P19:02
* Sage hates that kind of bad input handling19:06
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* lbt has managed to make copyproj have the side effect of adding armv4l repos... possibly not ideal19:13
Stskeepswell, hey, why not19:16
Stskeepsi have a freerunner that could run mer19:16
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Stskeeps:P19:16
CosmoHill:p19:16
Stskeepsevening CosmoHill19:16
lbtit does appear to specifically disabling build for it19:16
CosmoHillhello19:16
StskeepsCosmoHill: did you ever check out this OBS thing we're using19:16
Stskeeps?19:16
CosmoHillnope19:17
lbt:O19:17
CosmoHillI did use the meego one once or twice19:17
Stskeepsinterested?19:17
CosmoHillI'm here for you guys, not mer19:17
Stskeepsokay, well, let's try to see if we can make you interested in mer too :P19:17
Stskeepsit helps socially ;)19:17
Stskeepshttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=CE%3AUX%3AMTF is one example of what we use19:18
CosmoHillyou can try at the weekend19:18
Stskeepsthis is a project for middleware19:18
Stskeepsfair enough19:18
CosmoHillatm I'm round my mates having a drink19:18
CosmoHillI shouldn't be using the laptop cos my neck is as stiff as wood19:18
Stskeepsyou shouldn't be using a laptop at all, if you're having a drink19:18
Stskeeps:P19:18
CosmoHillat least I'm not driving home :p19:19
* Stskeeps glances at bricked tizen reference device19:19
* CosmoHill glances at his....cider19:20
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CosmoHillwe're taking turns playing GTA19:20
Stskeepsdon't try to order cider in belgium, they'll just serve you apple juice19:21
Stskeeps:P19:21
CosmoHillhehe19:21
* lbt just glares at Belgium .... all of it19:22
* Stskeeps wonders htf his s10-3t doesn't have 'joe' installed19:23
* CosmoHill is now speaking to a Belgium 19:23
CosmoHillI was sorta buttering him up with my web skills before I got a job19:24
CosmoHillor maybe after...19:24
Stskeepsyou have web skills? got any examples?19:24
* lbt waits for CosmoHill to <blink/>19:24
CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/Portfolio/19:24
CosmoHilllbt: <marquee/>19:25
CosmoHillI need to add Jquery to it since I've been learning that a lot at work19:26
StskeepsCosmoHill: ok, we might need a hand or three for making the mer homepage a bit more useful :P19:27
CosmoHillsure19:27
CosmoHillif I have a day off I get bored and start woriing on sokmething19:28
Stskeeps:nod:19:28
Stskeepslbt: btw, cool new idea we have with sb2-b1-obs -- ability to traditionally cross compile some packages and selectively sb2 others19:28
CosmoHilldesign is not my strong point but I'm good at programming19:29
lbtStskeeps: why?19:29
Stskeepslbt: well, as a start, you could bootstrap a system from scratch with ease19:29
Stskeepslbt: or for example, do qt with full cross compile19:29
lbtOK19:31
Stskeepscould yield some quite interesting systems19:31
* lbt is focussed on copyproj .... sry :)19:31
lbtbeing good and not getting distracted!19:31
Stskeepsalright19:32
Stskeepssorry :)19:32
* phaeron is just watching19:32
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vgradeftp://ftp.trolltech.com/incoming/snowshoe-pi.tar.bz19:39
Stskeepsnice19:39
vgradevia Donald19:40
vgradewith help from Mer Qt5 patches19:40
Stskeeps:nod:19:41
Stskeepslbt: for the reading queue, someone's evaluation of tizen vs mer19:42
Stskeepslbt: http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?p=207703419:42
lbthttp://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest-release19:42
lbtno nasties in the log either19:43
Stskeepsok, i guess we're good to go for COBS19:43
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lbtyup19:45
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CosmoHillI think my laptop power socket might be damaged21:05
wmarone_time to break out the soldering iron!21:06
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CosmoHillI seem to get paid a lot (imo) for fixing laptops21:07
CosmoHillmum's friend's laptop needed fixing so I asked my mum if she could bring it back from the meeting they had21:07
CosmoHillI wouldn't have done if I'd of know it was a 18" desktop replacement21:08
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