Wednesday, 2012-05-16

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Stskeeps morn04:44
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* Stskeeps so needs coffee04:54
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StskeepsE-P: what holiday is it in .fi tomorrow anyway?05:02
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timophdunno the translation for it :)05:21
Stskeepsah, i see05:22
Stskeepswikipedia to the rescue05:22
timophwas just looking up the same thing05:22
Stskeepsmakes you wonder if it's a holiday here too05:23
Stskeepsdamnit, no holiday here05:24
timophthese one day holidays in the middle of the week are a bit awkward05:24
timophso I took friday off too :p05:24
iekkui was planning to do so also, but couldn't do that05:25
timophmy hour balance doesn't like it but I did it anyway05:25
timophalthough it's only -5h after that05:26
iekkui think i have something like +3005:28
iekkuhaven't calculated05:28
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Stskeepsheh, reminds me of harri's quote at some point.. "I know for a fact that many of you haven't counted your hours in ways that most unions would accept, and I also know that you have done that because of the sheer joy of the ride."05:30
timophyep :)05:30
timophI know I did some very weird hours back then05:31
iekkuwhen i was @ ixonos i counted my hours05:31
iekkubut not the time i spent in the evening in irc and doing em stuff when needed05:31
iekkuoh shit! my band has gig today and the guy who asked us to play asked if i can get drums somewhere. now i noticed from the bar's webpage that they don't have anything what is needed to play the gig. i hope the guy has taken care of the rest05:36
Stskeepsdo it the punk way, drum on top of people's heads?05:37
Stskeepsdid you manage to watch riot on! yet, btw?05:38
iekkuwhen i haven't work the television has been occupied for killing zombies...05:40
Stskeepsa worthwhile cause05:40
Bostik"How can you kill that which has no life?"05:41
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iekkujussi is starting his job in next week (i think) so i have plenty of time in the evenings05:42
iekkuBostik, :D whit yelling and swearing05:42
Stskeepsgood morning slaine05:43
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: when I compile gstreamer on obs, I should use spec2spectacle to change its spec file, right?05:45
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: nah, just edit spec file directly05:47
Stskeepsi'm not sure why you would need to though05:47
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: hmm, I found gstreamer 0.10.35 in mer's repo, there is a spec file and yaml file05:48
Stskeepsi just wonder why you would need to modify the spec :)05:48
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Stskeepsgo into a empty directory, git init .    and then git fetch refs/changes/46/546/1 && git checkout FETCH_HEAD05:49
Stskeepsthat'll get you 0.10.36 packaging from
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: hmm, ok. But I found the page, it seems yaml file is suggested05:50
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: yeah, if you want to modify it in some way, then you edit yaml and then run 'specify'05:51
Stskeepswe already did 0.10.36 packaging for you though, so just follow my git instructions above05:51
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok, I'll try it05:52
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slaineStskeeps: morning06:27
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Stskeepsit's not good for html5 story when the biggest news story about tizen is .. "it can run android apps"06:59
Sagehehe :P07:00
arc_matit's also not good if all html5 apps run slowly and every fluid demonstration is just an opengl scene07:00
Stskeepsarc_mat: actually i was fairly impressed with the html5 perf07:01
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Stskeepsthere were some devices that for sure had some kind of run amok process in the background though07:01
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SageStskeeps: also and that android app story is not made by Intel or Samsung AFAIK07:02
dm8tbryeah, it came from openmobile07:03
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timophwarning: I'll be asking a lot of CI related question on friday..07:04
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dm8tbrwhat surprised me was that a coleague tried to use <video> in an test app and the runtime refused for cross domain policies...07:04
timophI'm doing a CI presentation for work and using mer as a case example07:04
timophI'll do a public blog post of it later07:05
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: are other gst-plugins pakages available?08:14
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E-Ppuuh, no brain power left for today, I just was 3h in a math exam08:57
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jussibah... common name makes for fake hilights10:51
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* Stskeeps returns11:01
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: not sure if we upgraded the rest yet11:01
StskeepsSage: so what is crashing in nemo images, on what devices?11:06
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SageStskeeps: ?11:11
SageStskeeps: well it seems to work, mainly the wifi is the problem but that is known issue.11:12
Stskeepsso there was no segfaulting processes?11:12
SageI tested only N900 though11:12
X-Fadelbt: As a reminder, there still are no kickstarts published anymore at releases.m.o :)11:12
SageStskeeps: umm... didn't check but didn't note any.11:12
StskeepsSage: ok11:12
Stskeepsthought you mentioned some, that was why11:12
Stskeepsdid you check x86 yet or should i do that?11:13
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SageHaven't check any other than N900 yet. and those segfaults were with nemo packaging not with image11:14
Stskeepswhat was URL for image?11:14
Stskeepsgrabbing i586 iamge11:21
Stskeepswhat's the difference between handset- and mg- ?11:21
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Sagemy nervs :D11:40
Sagemic and my build script fucked up :)11:40
Sageother dir contains just logs and other rest11:40
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: when I build gst-plugins-good-0.10.31, I got the error configure: error: no gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10 >= 0.10.36 (GStreamer Base Plugins) found13:27
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok, so we need to update that in mer too it seems13:27
Stskeepsnot only gstreamer13:27
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: but I compile gst-plugins-base-0.10.36 already13:27
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: in one project on obs, different packages, I think it can be found automatically13:29
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: are you doing this on ?13:29
Stskeepsor on your own obs13:29
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: no13:29
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: our own obs13:29
Stskeepsokay, so, you have a obs project with the updated gstreamer package, and then gst-plugins-base 0.10.36 in same project?13:30
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes13:30
* Sage ponders if we should build connman with polkit support in Mer13:30
StskeepsSage: check if tizen has? ;)13:31
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: show me build log of gst-plugins-good-0.10.31 ?13:31
Stskeepsfull one13:31
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: you need BuildRequires: pkgconfig(gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10) in that .spec file13:33
Stskeepsit simply doesn't get installed13:34
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10? why not gst-plugins-base-0.1013:35
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: that's the pkgconfig name, it seems13:36
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: in fact, gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10 represent what? I mean it's the rpm package's name or something else ?13:36
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok, do you know what pkgconfig is?13:37
Stskeepsit's basically a system to easily provide proper -L/foo -lfoo  -I/usr/include/foo flags for libraries for others to use13:37
Stskeepsthe files are typically stored in /usr/share/pkgconfig/ as .pc files13:37
StskeepsBuildRequires: pkgconfig(gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10) means 'please get me the package that contains /usr/share/pkgconfig/gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.pc13:38
Stskeepsthis is different from package name for various reasons13:39
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok, now I also know the use of file *.pc , I saw it in spec files, thank you13:39
Stskeepsno problem, it's not always explained well in rpm documentation :)13:39
SageStskeeps: tizen doesn't have13:41
* Sage thinks he faced a bug with rpm or obs or something13:41
Stskeepswhat are you running into?13:42
Sage <- unable to find pkgconfig(libnl-3.0) but still there is this
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lbtOK .. so norebuild doesn't now13:50
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lbtcopyproj was rebuilding13:54
lbtnow it doesn't13:54
Stskeepsok, and it isn't anymore?13:54
Stskeepsok, good?13:54
lbtit still has some packages as 'broken'13:54
lbtno source13:54
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I change the spec file, and the package gst-plugins-good become unresolvable13:55
lbtrescan finds the source though13:55
lbtso it's event magic and things13:55
phaeronlbt: what was it missing13:56
lbtdirty($projid, $repoid, $arch) if $arch ne 'signer';13:56
lbtdirty($projid, $repoid, $arch) if $arch ne 'signer' ... but not if norebuild13:57
lbtI think ... :)13:57
phaeronok :D13:57
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: hmmm13:58
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: check log of gst-plugins-base and verify it will make Provides: pkgconfig(gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10)13:59
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: Provides: pkgconfig(gstreamer-app-0.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-audio-0.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-cdda-0.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-fft-0.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-floatcast-0.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-interfaces-0.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-netbuffer-0.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-pbutils-0.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-plugins-base-014:01
ZiQiangHuan.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-riff-0.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-rtp-0.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-rtsp-0.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-sdp-0.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-tag-0.10) = 0.10.36 pkgconfig(gstreamer-video-0.10) = 0.10.3614:01
ZiQiangHuanRequires(rpmlib): rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-114:01
Stskeepsokay, so we clearly see it does pkgconfig(gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10)14:01
Stskeepsis that exactly what your BuildRequires has ?14:02
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes14:02
Stskeepscan you show me the .spec how it looks right now?14:02
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: you mean gst-good's spec?14:02
Stskeepsokay, and what does it say if click the "unresolvable" status for gst-good?14:05
ZiQiangHuannothing provides gstreamer-plugins-base = 0.10.36 needed by gst-plugins-base-devel, nothing provides cdparanoia needed by gst-plugins-base14:06
Stskeepscan i see gst-plugins-base spec?14:06
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes,
Stskeepsand the .changes file from gst-plugins-base?14:09
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: no *.changes file14:11
Stskeepsso what i can see right now is that you might be using an ancient copy of gst-plugins-base that's broken14:11
Stskeepsconsider git clone'ing mer-core/gst-plugins-base that is correct14:11
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: *.changes file is necessary ? hmm, I donwload it from gstreamer net14:12
Stskeepsno, but the .spec file is wrong14:12
Stskeeps;a=blob;f=gst-plugins-base.spec;h=48d37d30d18d22cbe96c4e41eccbb0ace0c3f308;hb=HEAD is the correct one to use14:12
Stskeepsand upgrade to a later version14:12
Stskeepsso just grab the mer package instead14:12
Stskeepsthat one has the correct dependencies etc14:13
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok, but the spece file is changed from the original version gstreame offered14:13
Stskeepswe don't have cdparanoia, for example14:13
Stskeepsand their Requires: don't take some things OBS does, into account14:14
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok. I'll try the mer package14:15
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: where can I download gst source pacakge in mer ?14:34
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: git clone
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: for the new version ,  I still use the patch? or not?14:36
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: just upgrade the version in .yaml to .36 and run specify14:37
Stskeepsand all should be good14:37
Stskeepsthe patch there.. well, maybe maybe not14:37
Stskeepslet's see if it fails to apply14:37
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Stskeepslbt: finally some sb2-b1 obs progress.. now successfully set up a build chroot with it14:40
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Stskeepsslaine: so what has you so bothered you've developed tourettes?15:11
slaineFrustration at not doing the work I want to be doing15:11
Stskeepsah, i know the feeling15:11
slainePeople not reading detailed documentation that I spent time writing so they wouldn't ask me stupid questions, but still ask me stupid questions15:12
Stskeepsthat feeling i know for sure ;)15:12
Stskeepspersonally i just take the sour with the sweet, it's sometimes a bit of a luxury to even be able to work a little bit with what you really like to do15:15
Stskeepsespecially when you're specialized15:15
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slaineStskeeps: Yeah, I'm not that much in a bad mood. I'm just verbalising my frustrations….alot ;)15:19
Stskeeps:nod: is good to get release from that at times15:19
slaineI'll be going to Taekwon Do tonight, so it'll be an extra release :)15:20
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lbtStskeeps: that's good news15:50
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E-PI tried one nemo image in the virtual machine, if we want to use the image for automatic testing we need to change the boot menu and add static ip address to eth017:27
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StskeepsE-P: makes sense17:43
E-Pshould be easy to fix?17:44
Stskeepsi think so, though we need to do it 'properly' with connman for static ip stuff17:45
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Stskeepsbootloader is just a matter of a timeout17:46
E-Pdoes connman have a configuration file?17:46
* Stskeeps ponders how we'd pull that off17:49
Stskeepscan you file a task bug for discovering this17:49
E-Pto mer core?17:52
E-Pmaybe to qa17:53
Stskeepsqa i guess17:53
E-PI will continue with test-selector and modifying the test packages17:58
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eluttineE-P: what is the test-selector?18:16
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Stskeepslbt: i'll be at the move friday due to a sudden speaking slot in a conference somewhere across poland, can you co-chair for me in case of gprs outage?18:24
E-Peluttine: a new tool for creating test plans18:25
E-Pbasically creating tests.xmls for ots18:26
Stskeepslbt: going to talk about and related projects - power of community18:26
lbtsounds good - where?18:26
Stskeepsits' in polish, beware18:27
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SageE-P, Stskeeps: Connman doesn't have configuration file :/18:34
SageE-P, Stskeeps: or well it probably does but it is not meant for that kind of usage18:34
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eluttineE-P: ok, i'll check it out18:38
E-PSage: thanks for the info18:39
E-Peluttine: the idea is that we will split the test-definition from the test package, storing test-definitions in the git18:40
E-Pand in the test-selector config we define the test cases and their relationship to RPM packages18:41
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E-Pbut now I am off, good night18:44
Stskeepsgood night18:45
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Stskeepscapisce / sroedal: is that shm buffers or actual egl clients?19:47
capisceStskeeps: that's egl19:47
Stskeepshow'd you pull off buffer sharing?19:47
Stskeepsah, i understand19:48
Stskeepsso in practice you render into a global image, clever19:50
capisceStskeeps: yep19:50
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capisceStskeeps: the left application is QML 2 based19:50
Stskeepsyeah, i didn't have it matching with shm buffers after seeing hello_es2 there19:51
Stskeepsi'll for sure try that out on my pi19:51
Stskeeps - for those of you wondering what we're talking about - total awesomeness19:52
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capiscewould like to get that running on the vivaldi too if possible19:56
capisce(when I get it)19:56
capisceStskeeps: I did a write-up already here about how to get shm compositing working on the pi:
capisceStskeeps: but recently was informed about the global image extension19:57
vgradecapisce, we have mali fb gles drivers on the zenithink is that all you need?19:57
ali1234video does not work here :(19:58
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capiscevgrade: need some kind of buffer sharing across processes, like the global image extension on the raspberry pi19:58
* w00t runs19:59
capisce_gpu_ buffer sharing19:59
capiscewithout any kind of glReadPixels involved :)20:00
Stskeepscapisce: out of morbid curiousity, what kind of fps do you get from this?20:00
Stskeeps(at what resolution)20:00
capisceStskeeps: the hellowindow example on the right runs smoothly20:00
capiscethe compositor is running at 720p20:00
capiscethe QML 2 example on the left is 800x600, when it runs alone it hits 30 fps20:01
capisceshould be able to get it higher, had to disable the threaded rendering in scene graph atm20:02
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Stskeepsevening InformatiQ :)20:05
InformatiQevening Stskeeps20:05
Stskeepshow is it going? i'll be in .fi next month so let me know if you need anything exported from poland20:06
w00tcapisce: only 30fps? tsk20:07
InformatiQStskeeps: cool, we should also go for a beer20:07
StskeepsInformatiQ: yep20:07
dm8tbrStskeeps: by default, bring Żubrówka. There's always takers. ;)20:07
Stskeepsi'll attend devaamo summit and some days in helsinki too probably20:07
InformatiQi'll be in devaamo too20:08
Stskeepsalright, beer it is then :)20:08
capiscew00t: non-composited it runs at a solid 60 fps20:10
w00tcapisce: hmm... that's genuinely curious20:10
w00tthere must be something a bit silly going on in there :)20:10
Stskeepswe should try qt5 on armv6-hardfp abi at some point..20:10
Stskeepsjust for, erm, fun20:11
capiscew00t: maybe because it spends some time waiting for buffers back from the compositor before it can render the next frame20:11
Stskeepsprobably can be pooled somehow?20:12
capiscecan always do triple buffering I guess, but that consumes more memory20:13
capisceat 1080p at least you don't want to have too many fullscreen buffers on the raspberry pi :)20:13
Stskeepsand we're back to 'hmm, let's drop gl context when backgrounded' ;)20:14
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Stskeeps'lo ulf^ :)20:23
StskeepsSage: did you fix the openssl epoch problem in patchset 3?20:24
Stskeepsulf^: welcome to our lair :) if you have any questions, don't hestitate to ask, else feel free to just hang out20:27
* CosmoHill offers ulf^ a cup of tea / hot chocolate20:27
ulf^thx Cosmo20:29
CosmoHillStskeeps: see, I am useful for something :p20:29
ulf^Stskeeps, the only question I would have is if you have Mer running on lunchbox yet :)20:29
Stskeepsulf^: i managed to brick my device trying to do so :P20:30
ulf^Stskeeps, uh oh :(20:30
Stskeepsulf^: wiped u-boot but the first bootloader is fine.. accidentially by asking it to recover bootloader from internal SD20:30
Stskeepsif you do combo volume up, down, power button, and then that again, you'll get special mode, then same combo will get you into a place you can for example boot from sd20:31
Stskeepsthough i haven't found exactly how to do this yet, but the TRATS device u-boot scripts are in u-boot-samsung git tree20:32
Stskeepswhich gives some hints on location on the sd on where to put things to make it bootable20:32
Stskeepsthere's also a u-boot source request lodged in tizen bugzilla20:32
Stskeepser, jira20:32
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Stskeepsonce we can boot a uboot and a kernel of our own, it should be piece of cake to put tizen ivi or mer on there20:33
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Stskeepsoh, and it uses a new flashing protocol called THOR, which is documented in patches sent to uboot mailing list20:43
Stskeepsvery useful20:43
Stskeepsit's not fun when everything is handed on a plate to you ;)20:54
ulf^It depends20:55
ulf^Got my new HTC One X with Ice Cream Sandwhich on it20:56
ulf^Seems nice20:56
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ulf^I didn't want to change that20:56
ulf^Until yesterday, when I found out that AT&T has a agreement with a credit card processor named ISIS, blocking Google Wallet20:56
ulf^Via NFC that is20:56
ulf^Now I need to take action ;)20:56
Stskeepssoftware freedom does matter :)20:57
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Stskeepsbbl sleep though20:57
ulf^good night ;)20:57
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SageStskeeps: yes that should be fixed now.22:02
SageStskeeps: the openssl should build fine after you accept the ca-certificates thingy22:02
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