Monday, 2012-05-14

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Sleepy_CoderSomething I notice in scratchbox is that the char * returned from lua_tostring() in alot of places is strdup()'d to duplicate the string that the pointer would dereference inside the Lua state.  There's a FIXME in lua_sb_log() asking if the strdup() is necessary, and I believe it's not, because the string from Lua has been passed to and is referenced while lua_sb_log() is being run through, so the Lua string can't be unreferenced00:54
Sleepy_Codervery easily unless you were to concurrently modify the locals of that function elsewhere.  the strdup() and associated free()'s are unnecessary :>00:54
* Sleepy_Coder wonders if he's just been off-topic for days and should be seeking out a scratchbox2 channel :x00:55
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Sleepy_CoderAhh, I've been questioning non-project members >.<02:33
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* Stskeeps passes iekku coffee and quietly inquires on bug triage mail04:47
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iekkuStskeeps, just sent it04:54
iekkusorry, I totally forget it04:55
Stskeepsit's fine :)04:55
iekkui had whole day in my mind that i need to do something, also i had it at night04:55
Stskeepsi forgot too before just heading to bed04:55
iekkuwhen i came to computer i noticed...04:55
Stskeepsoh, not a bad triage this time04:56
iekkuand we skipped last week04:58
Stskeepsyeah, we must have triaged well04:59
iekkunot so much new bugs05:00
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Stskeepsgood morning pirut :)05:15
StskeepsSage: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=meegotouch-applauncherd&project=CE%3AMW%3AMTF&repository=Mer_Core-next_CE_MW_Shared_armv7hl has a hardcoded python 2.605:19
Stskeepshttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=libresourceqt&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared&repository=Mer_Core-next_armv7l seems to segfault under qemu05:20
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E-PGood morning05:33
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Stskeepsgood morning E-P and sonach :)05:34
sonachmorning Stskeeps!05:34
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StskeepsSleepy_Coder: scratchbox2 author can be reached at scratchbox-users list and is friendly05:43
StskeepsSleepy_Coder: sb2 isn't meant to be run on device :)05:44
Sleepy_Coderthat is good :305:44
Sleepy_CoderThanks for the info :]05:44
sonachStskeeps: what do 'package' and 'feature' mean in Arch of AgileBrowser?05:49
Stskeepssonach: OK, so, as you might know, RPM autodetects dependencies depending on your actual needs, for example, if you need libacl.so.1, it'll add that as dependency. This means that any package can provide this 'feature' (libacl.so.1). A package dependency is an explicit "i want to use this package", ie, like Requires: bash05:51
Stskeepswhile a feature dependency could theoretically be provided by other packages05:52
Stskeepsas an practical example, we have libjpeg62.so.1 - this feature could be provided by both libjpeg and libjpeg-turbo, as they provide same ABI05:52
StskeepsSleepy_Coder: https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&order=Importance&bug_severity=task&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=TRIAGEDUPSTREAM&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=not-taken&emailtype1=substring , perhaps some of the 'low' priority ones would be right in your field05:53
Stskeepsa lot of simple work to train basic package contribution05:56
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niqtmorning all06:21
Stskeepsmorn niqt :)06:26
Stskeepsand good morning kostaja too06:26
kostajamornings :)06:27
kostajayes, about the mds06:28
kostajashould it still be possible to cross build with the "old style" cross tools? or is it just the sb2 tools now?06:28
kostajai tried defining06:29
kostaja%define _cross_enabled 106:29
kostaja%define _cross_sb2_enabled 006:29
kostajabut some packages were missing06:29
Stskeepsso, starting from the start, we have a Mer OBS packages because we currently patch OBS with SB2 enablement patches. these were attempted to be upstreamed but we collided with another cross approach (b1-systems's) and we got instructed by maintainers to work out a solution, which is underway. For now, this means we have the sb2-enabled Mer obs packages (ie, OBS itself) and this is needed for Mer deployments06:31
Stskeepswe moved to the new cross approach (though not the upstreamed one) a fair while ago due to it being much cleaner and more reliable, sometimes even faster06:32
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Stskeepsi also dropped the old cross packages as they were cluttering up releases and being out of sync with newer rpmlint versions, for example06:33
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kostajaok. we've had the mer fake obs running in our system for a long time already and i just recently updated to mds and bumped into the sb2 stuff. (previous mer release we've been using was from january)06:37
Stskeepsyeah, i feared this would happen at some point :)06:37
kostajacurrently we don't want to start integrating any modifications to our production system, so i guess it means no cross builds with mer then..06:37
Stskeepswhat OBS version are you guys on, out of curiousity?06:38
kostajait's taken from obs github couple of months a go with some our own modifications. so some 2.3 beta.06:40
Stskeepsok06:40
Stskeepssince then there's also been Hostarch: modifications, so keep that in mind as well06:40
Stskeepsour goal is a 2.3 based + 'new' SB2 cross approach package hopefully soon06:41
StskeepsFWIW, you should be possible to build the old cross packages still, they're still available in git06:41
Stskeepsbut may need some hacking06:42
kostajaok. i'll take a look.06:42
Stskeepsi'll have to pull a 'the plans were on display' defense though, we did announce it back on mailing list then that we were doing like this ;)06:43
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kostajayeah, i should subscribe :D06:44
Stskeepskostaja: feel free to bother me anytime if there's any problems you run into, the least we can do is to make it easier to get things working06:44
Stskeepskostaja: think a OBS 2.3 + cross patches would be a suitable target for you to move production to eventually though?06:45
Stskeepsthis would bring you to bleeding edge of mobile OS cross compilation, both pure cross compilation (b1-systems) and a hybrid approach (sb2) ability06:45
kostajayeah, definitely.06:45
Stskeepsk06:45
kostajayour sb2 modifications to obs seem pretty straightforward, but as you said, there are other approaches as well so we figured that we don't want to start messing around with our production system at this point as it seems to create some problems always..06:45
Stskeeps:nod:06:45
Stskeepsi'd say try out on a development system for sure06:46
Stskeepswe're a bit of an unusual approach, hence the unusual approaches :)06:46
kostajayes, i will certainly do that :)06:47
Stskeepsbut i felt that it was definately useful to simplify our cross compilation story, especially since we were able to accelerate things like autoconf06:47
Stskeepsand rpmlint properly06:47
Stskeepswhich means very fast cross builds06:47
kostajayes, the new way seems better for sure06:48
Stskeepsif you run into any kind of things like this that blocks Mer adaptation in your company, please file (a lot of) bugs in bugs.merproject.org -> Mer Vendor Interface , as well06:51
Stskeepsas that is how we monitor problematic issues of our deliveries06:51
Stskeepsok, back to coding06:54
kostajaStskeeps: ok. thanks for the support!06:54
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Stskeepseocanha: you mentioned something a few days ago, could you repeat it? was far too jetlagged to respond :)07:17
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eocanhayes, it was more or less like this: (copypasting from logs)07:21
eocanhaStskeeps: remember that illegal instructions I had, even after ensuring optflags such as -march=i486 and -mno-sse ?07:21
eocanhaA co-worker has finally found the cause07:22
eocanhathere are packages adding "-ffast-math" in their configures07:22
eocanhaand that links with crtfastmath.o (from gcc) which, no matter the care I put, still has illegal instructions07:22
eocanhaI (hope) to have finally solved the problem by adding -fno-fast-math as optflag to the whole project07:22
eocanhaJust wanted you to know. Maybe it's helpful to others.07:22
eocanha07:22
Stskeepseocanha: hmm, that's awkward07:22
Stskeepseocanha: can you check the crtfastmath.o from the latest Mer prerelease gcc ?07:22
Stskeepsas i've done a full rebuild there07:23
eocanhado you heve the URL at hand?07:23
Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120517.0.1/builds/i486/packages/i486/gcc-4.6.3-1.42.i486.rpm , http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120517.0.1/builds/i486/packages/i486/libgcc-4.6.3-1.42.i486.rpm i guess07:25
eocanhathanks07:25
eocanhano illegal instructions there07:28
eocanha:)07:28
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Stskeepsok, and checked crtfastmath.o there?07:30
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eocanhaI've checked the whole package contents and there's no illegal instructions, but that package only contains libgcc_s-4.6.3.so.1 and some other links07:33
eocanhasystemd, on the other hand, has illegal instructions07:34
Stskeepsok07:34
Stskeepssystemd in mer has illegal? hmm07:34
eocanhalet me download the gcc package instead of libgcc07:35
eocanhaaha! The same that happened to me:07:36
eocanha(from gcc)07:36
eocanha./usr/libexec/gcc/i486-meego-linux/4.6.3/lto1 has non i486+ instructions07:36
eocanha./usr/lib/gcc/i486-meego-linux/4.6.3/crtfastmath.o has non i486+ instructions07:36
eocanha07:36
Stskeepshmm07:37
eocanhathis is the tester script, by the way: http://pastebin.com/KMg0aQ5R07:37
Stskeepsis it sse by chance?07:38
Stskeepsi wonder because of -mfpu=sse2 hidden somewhere07:39
kostajaStskeeps: if we decide to try to build the old cross packages, do you happen to have some script or something to help setting up the obs project for them?07:39
Stskeepskostaja: you should be able to jsut change 0/107:40
Stskeepsin the obs-projects/Core07:40
kostajayou mean the build config?07:42
Stskeepsyeah07:43
kostajaand then import the sources from gitweb.merproject.org?07:44
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Stskeepsyeah07:44
kostajaok. i was hoping i could hack mds fake obs to provide the package and then just osc copypac or something :)07:44
kostajapackages07:45
Stskeepsthat's also possible07:45
Stskeepspackages.xml07:45
kostajaedit obs-projects/Core/crosshelpers/packages.xml and mappings.xml and restart mds?07:47
Sleepy_CoderStskeeps: hmm thanks for pointing me at the bug list, I should have started there XD07:48
eocanhain lto1: cmove pmovmskb movdqa cmovg cmovne cmovae cmova pcmpestri; in crtfastmath.o: stmxcsr ldmxcsr fxsave cmovne07:48
Stskeepskostaja: and the individual packages.xml .. look at Makefile07:48
kostajaok, thanks!07:48
* Stskeeps pokes the tizen ref device with a stick07:49
eocanhacmove is PentiumPro, pmovmskb is SSE, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_instruction_listings07:54
Stskeepsok07:58
Stskeepsdoes this show up in other 'i486' distros too?07:58
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eocanhagcc from Debian also has the same problem: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.6/gcc-4.6_4.6.3-1_i386.deb08:18
Stskeepscurious08:18
eocanhaDebian gcc 4.1 also fails (crtfastmath.o)08:21
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lbtmorning all08:22
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X-Fadelbt: morning, jet lag gone? :)08:23
lbtpretty much08:23
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Sleepy_CoderStskeeps: I have found that poking it might cause the screen to dislocate itself from the rest of the device.08:27
StskeepsSleepy_Coder: yeah, it does that..08:28
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Stskeepsmorn mdfe_08:41
Stskeepsmdfe_: there's a hardcoded 2.6 reference in your packaging somewhere, see Project:KDE:Devel for _next08:42
Stskeepspython 2.6, that is08:42
Stskeepsshould be easy to fix08:42
lbthey mdfe_08:43
mdfe_good morning08:44
mdfe_Stskeeps: I see08:44
mdfe_thx08:44
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sledgesgood moaning!09:06
lbtStskeeps: what's the situation with gdb?09:06
lbthey sledges09:06
Stskeepsmorn Attie, sledges09:06
Stskeepslbt: in which sense09:06
Attiemorning :)09:06
lbtcross gdb and gdb-server09:06
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lbtand any other oddities09:07
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Stskeepshaven't done anything in that area yet09:07
lbtI saw gdb-server in the repo09:08
Stskeepsreally?09:08
lbt gdb-gdbserver-7.4-1.11.armv7hl.rpm09:08
sledgeshey guys, full fledged Lipstick QML demo ready: www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIHRLbAAFIE09:08
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lbtI figured we'd need a set of cross/gdb-* too09:09
Stskeepsyes, we do09:10
Stskeepssledges: runs quite nicely09:10
lbtsledges: where's the wiki page?09:10
sledgeslbt, all in good time09:11
sledgesStskeeps, thanks!09:11
lbtsledges: I'd actually like to build it so some pointers to source etc would be nice ...09:11
sledgeslbt, that's great, I will put up a draft motivated thanks to you09:12
lbtthanks - would appreciate it :)09:12
slainemorning folks09:13
lbthey slaine09:14
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slainesledges: nice work09:18
sledgescheers slaine09:18
sledgeslbt, I got all hardware adaptation still in ltib/binaries. Would you help me RPMise (create repo etc) it as you go through tutorial? Then my learning curve could be way less steep09:19
sledgesand I could learn a great deal of how create repos from your example, as I still wouldn't have an idea how to do it at the moment :)09:20
lbtOK - I'm not sure what device I'll be targetting09:20
sledgeswhich imx you mean?09:20
lbtI don't have one09:21
sledgesthe how would the tutorial be useful to you?09:21
* sledges really curious now :)09:21
lbtI thought you were working on lipstick itself :)09:22
sledgeslipstick is a job done (as long as my hardware adaptation is concerned :))09:22
sledgesall worked out-of-the-box09:22
lbtOK - I misunderstood09:22
lbthowever - if you're doing the HA then that also needs some work09:22
sledgesroger09:22
lbtso do put up some info and I'll look at it09:23
lbtgetting the HA packaging side sorted is important09:23
sledgesand this is where we arrive to a sore point of mer:09:24
sledgesshould everything remain in ltib (Freescale's BSP SDK), or be RPMised, and hence we need a person looking after it on mer09:24
sledges?09:24
sledgesonce Freescale release new ltib/patch-set. I.e. a HA maintainer is needed09:25
lbtthis is what a community OBS is for09:25
lbtso Mer as such won't look after it, and yes, we'd need someone to maintain it09:25
sledgessure we have technical resources. but what if a person stops maintaining it?09:26
sledgesyup09:26
lbtthis is why good docs help09:26
lbteg in the past I've tried to do the GMA500 drivers09:26
lbtall the other docs start with a collection of random binary blobs09:26
lbtwhen I documented it, I started with a link to Intel's released tarball and extracted blobs from t09:27
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lbtso the next person to try isn't stuck on step #109:27
lbtsimilarly for kernel source and upstream links for gl drivers for you09:27
sledgesso, it is sufficient I just put links to Freescale's LTIB and let anyone else fire away with that (wanting to put it on OBS would then be a welcoming next step)09:28
pirut~09:29
lbtsure... anything helps - an overview of the contents of the HA and asuming your reader has limited specific knowledge09:29
sledgesok, I'll start cracking on :)09:29
sledgesthanks lbt !09:29
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phaeronhttp://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Optimizations10:00
Stskeepsyeah, saw10:00
Stskeepscool stuff10:00
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phaeron2 seconds :D10:05
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* dm8tbr hugs _av500_ for finally releasing SDE for gen9!10:27
dm8tbrStskeeps: ^^^10:28
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Stskeepswoo10:36
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StskeepsREMINDER: Mer bug triage in 15 minutes in #mer-meeting10:45
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lbt*sigh* bluetooth is dead on my N90010:51
lbthci_h4p hci_h4p: No cts from bt chip10:51
Stskeepson nemo that's normal10:52
lbt... and it works?10:52
lbthci_h4p: probe of hci_h4p failed with error -11010:52
lbt(this is fremantle actually)10:53
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Stskeepsthat's more problematic then10:55
iekkubug triage starting soon10:57
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lbtStskeeps: yeah.. it has the dual-boot kernel though - and this is a kernel message - not sure why they'd differ11:26
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SageStskeeps: new wpa_supplicant has also gui part build with qt, should we include that to mer core or not?11:54
Stskeepsmmm11:55
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Sagehmmp... ok, so need to check libnl as well then :P11:58
mdfe_Sage: hi, what is the further plan with home:sage:telepathy?11:58
sledgeswpa_gui ? remember using it back in 2006 :)11:59
Sagemdfe_: push it to probably CE:MW:Shared11:59
Sagemdfe_: you had some patch to one of the packages?11:59
mdfe_Sage: sounds great to me :)11:59
mdfe_Sage: I allready patxhed it11:59
mdfe_Sage: you added me to the maintainers of home:sage:telepathy, so I fixed it12:00
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Sagemdfe_: ah ok :D12:01
Sagemdfe_: I'll push those to CE:MW:Shared during this week12:01
mdfe_Sage: What is about peregrine? Do you like to push it into CE:MW:Shared as well?12:02
SageStskeeps: also anothert thing. We need to update libnl from 1.x series to 3.x series that is only updated version. Now the question is should we continue using libnl or should we rename to libnl3 ?12:02
SageStskeeps: ref http://www.infradead.org/~tgr/libnl/12:02
Sagemdfe_: CE:Apps12:03
Sagebut that needs to wait for the telepathy stuff12:03
mdfe_Sage: I will send a submit request when the telepathy stuff is inside CE:MW:Shared12:03
Sagemdfe_: or hmm... does peregrine require libmeegotouch stuff?12:04
mdfe_not anymore12:04
Sageok12:04
Sagethen CE:Apps12:04
Stskeepswoops, bricked my tizen reference device12:04
mdfe_ack12:04
SageStskeeps: :D12:04
Stskeepsdon't use the recovery bootloader ;)12:05
dcthangStskeeps: which device you are builing tizen on?12:05
Stskeepsdcthang: well, the one they gave out in SF12:06
Stskeepsand i wasn't building tizen, i was trying to boot mer ;)12:06
dcthangah ha. :P Is that device confidential?12:06
Stskeepsnop12:07
Stskeepsbut it is a bit closed source it seems12:07
dcthangah ok. I only saw one phone with name Tizen from youtube. May be that's it.12:07
StskeepsSage: could you dd the first 5mb of mmcblk0 on your tizen device for me to a file and send it over? :)12:09
Sage:D12:10
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SageStskeeps: need to charge the device first12:13
Stskeepsk12:13
Sagejust in case ;)12:13
SageStskeeps: ^ questions above. any opinions?12:13
Stskeepsi dont think anything else uses libnl in mer12:13
Sageso keeping the name libnl would be ok?12:14
Stskeepsyes12:14
SageI would keep the name libnl as well, but I'm asking if you have any opinions12:14
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Sagealso libnl < 3.x are not considered stable anymore so we should not use them anyway12:15
Stskeeps:nod:12:15
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SageStskeeps: the mer current thing frozen atm. for new patches?12:30
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Stskeepscorrect12:31
Stskeepsunless they're fixes to existing package versions12:32
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Sagek12:33
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SageStskeeps: I would have liked to see pcre in this release, but it can go to next one as well. Causes full rebuild I guess12:33
Sageit is the hack removal for soname change12:34
SageStskeeps: what about the gui for wpa_supplicant. Drop or keep?12:38
Sagenot sure who would need it though12:38
Stskeepsdrop12:42
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AbsTradELicHi folie12:55
AbsTradELicFolkies12:56
Stskeepsheya :)12:56
Stskeepsso what brings you here?12:56
AbsTradELicLo... my sinistre touch keyboard running under a tegra 2 with Android... what do web mean?12:58
AbsTradELicLo12:58
AbsTradELicLol12:58
AbsTradELic:-)12:58
Stskeepssorry, i don't understand?12:59
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AbsTradELicStskeeps: Imagem here i have interests in put mer into my défice13:00
AbsTradELicIm* heresia13:00
AbsTradELicUm here13:01
Stskeepsah, cool13:01
AbsTradELicKkkkk13:01
AbsTradELicOk13:01
AbsTradELic:-)13:01
AbsTradELicIm beginning13:02
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Stskeepshttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/ may be a good start then13:04
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AbsTradELicI had looked about plasma active13:05
AbsTradELicAt this moment im know plasma use mer for tegra 213:07
AbsTradELicAllright?13:07
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Stskeepsright, people run mer on tegra2, not sure about PA too13:08
StskeepsSage: up to 1088 sectors of 512 bytes would be good ;)13:13
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sonachStskeeps: An important thing to us:13:23
Stskeepsmm?13:23
sonachStskeeps: If We want to demostrate Mer's ability to others, what is your suggestions? Now we have qtmediahub, and I think we can download a lot of Qt/qml apps to demostrate and others?13:24
Stskeepsyes, that should be possible, including perhaps qml applications with qt components13:25
Stskeepsthe possibilities are many13:25
sonachStskeeps: so, can you give me some suggestions in your point of view?13:26
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sonachfirst, Is qtmediahub suitable to do this?13:26
sroedalsonach: maybe snowshoe13:27
sonachwhat does 'snowshoe' mean?13:27
sroedalsonach: http://snowshoe.cc13:28
sroedalsonach: you asked for Qt/qml demo apps :)13:28
Stskeepssonach: it depends on what exactly kind of ability you want to show - that it's a great platform in general, if so, show for example the integration on how you develop on PC and easily deploy to STB, screenshots/demo of OBS, and show small demos of things that just work, from qtmediahub to sample qt applications / qml apps ..13:29
Stskeepssonach: i'm not a good marketing person as you can tell, but it really depends on your target group13:29
Stskeepsif it's engineers, show what you feel is fantastic about mer and even be honest about problems it might have13:29
Stskeepssonach: oh, by the way, i ran into some people from OpenMobile who does android apps on top of meego, tizen and hopefully soon mer13:31
sonachStskeeps: this time my target is "show small demos of things that just work", show them to a lot of people may or may not be engineers13:31
Stskeepswe're going to try to see if we can get their work working on mer too13:31
sonachsroedal: hi, it seems that snowshoe is just a kind of browser?13:32
sonachStskeeps: where can we download typical Qt/Qml apps? can you give me some websites?13:32
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sonachI want to demostrate several typical apps, to show that Mer is powerful, can work as good as other popular OS13:34
Stskeepshmm, might be good to take some for example phonegap applications too then13:34
Stskeepswhen do you have to do this?13:34
sonachStskeeps: the week of  May,28,13:35
Stskeepsok13:36
sonachsroedal: what is the difference between QtWebkit and snowshoe?13:36
Stskeepssonach: qtwebkit's a framework and snowshoe is a browser written in qml on top13:36
Sagelbt, Stskeeps: I did a merge request to spectacle upstream about the current changes I made couple of months ago and sent mail to the meego maintainer. Lets see if those can be got to upstream and if we could get also maintainer ship of that thing. If not we need to fork it.13:36
StskeepsSage: we already got confirmed spectacle is dead13:37
lbtyep13:37
Sagewe got? where?13:37
Stskeepsanas13:37
Stskeepsso pretty much from the source13:37
Stskeepssonach: and your device will be STB, i presume?13:38
Sagehmmp13:38
sonachStskeeps: Yes, hi3716m,13:38
Stskeepssonach: ok, so that limits somewhat, because you don't have a mouse13:38
Stskeepsi presume13:38
Stskeepsso it limits what kind of demos you can interact with13:39
sonachStskeeps: It doesn't matter. We can run some apps with USB mouse,13:39
Stskeepsyeah, ok13:39
sonachStskeeps: and if some app can be run by keyboard, we can run it with IR controler,13:39
Stskeepssonach: i'd like to propose that you start a mailing list thread and collect interesting applications13:39
Stskeepson mer mailing list13:39
Stskeepsmany of us have to demo anyway, so this will help all of us13:40
sonachOK, very good advice, I will do it at once!!13:40
Stskeepssonach: also, qt has many interesting demos in qt-demos and qt-examples i think13:41
Stskeepshttp://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativeexamples.html13:41
lbtsonach: are you using the qtmediahub still ?13:41
sonachlbt: yes, is there anything better?13:43
lbtI haven't done a comparison13:43
lbtI asked because it seems like there's more movement in the Qt project around mediahub13:43
Stskeepssonach: out of curiousity, how is the performance these days?13:44
sonachStskeeps: what do you mean by 'performance'? our progress?13:50
sonachlbt: "there's more movement in the Qt project around mediahub" where is this message?13:51
Stskeepswell, if qtmediahub is too slow or if it is faster13:51
sonachok, we don't improve performance of qtmediahub, now it just runs on fb of hisilicon, a little slow...13:52
sonachbut acceptable...13:52
Stskeeps9k13:53
Stskeepsok13:53
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Sagemdfe_: the telepathy is now building in the CE:MW:Shared so you can probably push peregrine today if you want.14:17
mdfe_Sage: just awesome :)14:18
SageStskeeps: could you retrigger gstreamer package? or is this new bug in python http://qtl.merproject.org/865d47f2-93fc-11e1-9ad2-00163e6e0038.txt ?14:25
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mdfe_Sage: I cannot find any telepathy stuff inside CE:MW:Shared14:42
Sageo_014:42
Sagewhere in the heck did I push them :)14:42
Sagemdfe_: ah, thoes are still building it seems14:42
Sageor hmmp...14:43
Sagephaeron: ping :)14:43
lbtmdfe_ and Sage .... I was talking to eva at SF and it seems like there may be some issues wrt maintaining stability on packages14:44
lbtmaybe we could schedule some time to discuss?14:44
mdfe_yepp14:45
Sagelbt: sure. Can you give sort summary so I can prepare? :)14:45
mdfe_when does it suit you best?14:45
lbtSage: I think mdfe_ is best placed to summarise... it's affecting PA14:45
lbtmdfe_: is that correct?14:46
mdfe_hm, it looks so14:46
* Stskeeps points to the need for stabilization branches, which requires project-copy, which requires MDS2, which requires..14:46
Stskeeps:P14:46
mdfe_hehe14:46
* lbt throws Stskeeps a sweetie to keep him occupied14:46
* Stskeeps let's lbt take this one..14:47
lbt*g*14:47
Sageoh, that story14:47
Sageyes, I agree that we need such thing.14:48
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lbtSage, mdfe_ I think this is particularly important for any shared repos14:50
lbtso a good starting point would be to identify what shared repos there are and what their purpose is14:51
mdfe_lbt: thats a good point14:51
lbtalso some stability criteria14:51
Stskeepson top of that, releasing of hw adaptations..14:51
slaineAlso, MDS needs to grab the appropriate source snapshot, not head/master14:52
lbtslaine: yeah ... feature request14:52
lbtit's very much on the list14:52
slainenod, came up this morning in conversation here. can't remember for what now14:53
mdfe_is there a way to clone a git repo without fetching the hole history?14:53
slainethis morning seems so long ago14:53
lbtmdfe_: yes14:53
mdfe_I'm just asking related to the MDS14:54
lbtMDS uses git in a really sucky way ... we know...14:54
lbtah --depth14:55
lbtso ... it sounds like mdfe_ needs to prepare a short scope and then we can arrange a time. Want to send an email mdfe_? There may be other people interested in the shared libs and it's a general discussion on working policy14:58
lbtStskeeps: HAs?14:58
Stskeepsyup, HAs need to be released too, as to match certain core versions14:59
mdfe_lbt: i will summarize some topics14:59
Stskeepsa OBS repo alone doesn't cut it anymore15:00
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lbtStskeeps: OK, you're talking about publishing a release of a "product" ?15:00
Stskeepsyes, as in, that if we're going for one or more stabilization branches, HAs would need to be released agaisnt those too15:01
Stskeepsthere's no joy in a HA that's for 0.20120601 when you're using 2011010115:01
Stskeepsjust saying :)15:01
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* Stskeeps has to go to doctor, bbl15:02
lbtyep, OK15:03
_av500_Stskeeps: btw, gen9 SDE is "released" now15:03
Stskeeps_av500_: congrats, does it come with PA out of the box , or it's just a bootloader?15:04
Stskeeps'bootloader'15:04
_av500_so far just the loader15:04
_av500_PA will come in 1-2 days15:04
Stskeepsok15:04
_av500_its a "silent" release so far, press release will be with pa15:04
Stskeepssounds good15:05
Stskeepsit's better to be distro independent anyway, ie, a loader first15:05
Stskeepsmakes people aware they can do their own stuff on it15:05
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mdfe_Sage: could you drop me a line when the telepathy stuff is available in CE:MW:Shared?15:13
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Sagemdfe_: sure15:16
mdfe_thx15:17
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smokuStskeeps: do you have issues with wifi on your ideapad?15:49
Stskeepsit just kinda does that at times15:50
Stskeepseven under ubuntu15:50
Stskeepsi usually take out battery and zap the bios settings15:51
Stskeepsthat clears rfkill15:51
Sagemdfe_, Stskeeps the 0.20120120.1 static project was done quite some time ago can we remove it? I think it never did build successfully15:53
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smokuStskeeps: zap how?15:56
Stskeepsie, default bios settings, save, take out battery for a bit, put back in15:58
Stskeepssmoku: are you sure test-connman enable wifi   didn't work?15:59
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smokudidn't help16:00
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Stskeepshmm16:00
smokuat first flipping the switch to OFF enabled wifi16:00
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smokubut after reboot flipping the switch resulted only with timeout message in dmesg16:00
smokuboth ways16:00
smoku(i don't remember the exact message)16:00
mdfe_Sage: 0.20120120.1 is not needed anymore16:01
smokuand sys rhkill reports it's hard-disabled16:01
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Sagemdfe_: ok, I'll remove those then16:08
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* lbt is running diagnostics16:15
lbt... on coffee machine16:15
lbtNew thermo-timer needed....16:16
* lbt wonders if the driver is in mainline yet?16:16
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SageStskeeps: got the dd already?17:01
SageStskeeps: http://sage.kapsi.fi/tizen/mmcblk0-start17:06
Sagedd bs=512 count=1088 if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=mmcblk0-start17:07
Sageright?17:07
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Stskeepsright, it didn't help much though17:21
Stskeepscould you grab me bs=1m and count=16 for good measure?17:21
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StskeepsSage: can we schedule a build of nemo core-next tomorrow?17:26
Stskeepsthen we can test things a bit17:26
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SageStskeeps: I think so yes.17:27
Sagefixing the applauncher thin atm.17:27
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vgradeevening17:34
vgradesledges, nice vid17:34
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Sagesomeone should remind me of pinging mdfe tomorrow about telepathy it is now in CE:MW:Shared18:15
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* Stskeeps stretches19:30
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Sageok, so anyone up for a test run with updated: libnl, wpa_supplicant, connman, bluez and ofono ? :D20:02
Sageone thing lead to another and well need to update all of those :P20:02
SageUI is not working in nemo at least that is quite sure, but cmdline things would need testing in all areas20:03
Sagehttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Ai586 <- packages available here for all archs so don't mind about the name.20:03
SageStskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/#change,571 <- kick?20:05
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SageStskeeps: gerrit seems to be having a bad day :/20:32
Stskeepsprobably, will look tomorrow20:38
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