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| Sleepy_Coder | Something I notice in scratchbox is that the char * returned from lua_tostring() in alot of places is strdup()'d to duplicate the string that the pointer would dereference inside the Lua state. There's a FIXME in lua_sb_log() asking if the strdup() is necessary, and I believe it's not, because the string from Lua has been passed to and is referenced while lua_sb_log() is being run through, so the Lua string can't be unreferenced | 00:54 |
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| Sleepy_Coder | very easily unless you were to concurrently modify the locals of that function elsewhere. the strdup() and associated free()'s are unnecessary :> | 00:54 |
| * Sleepy_Coder wonders if he's just been off-topic for days and should be seeking out a scratchbox2 channel :x | 00:55 | |
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| Sleepy_Coder | Ahh, I've been questioning non-project members >.< | 02:33 |
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| * Stskeeps passes iekku coffee and quietly inquires on bug triage mail | 04:47 | |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, just sent it | 04:54 |
| iekku | sorry, I totally forget it | 04:55 |
| Stskeeps | it's fine :) | 04:55 |
| iekku | i had whole day in my mind that i need to do something, also i had it at night | 04:55 |
| Stskeeps | i forgot too before just heading to bed | 04:55 |
| iekku | when i came to computer i noticed... | 04:55 |
| Stskeeps | oh, not a bad triage this time | 04:56 |
| iekku | and we skipped last week | 04:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we must have triaged well | 04:59 |
| iekku | not so much new bugs | 05:00 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning pirut :) | 05:15 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=meegotouch-applauncherd&project=CE%3AMW%3AMTF&repository=Mer_Core-next_CE_MW_Shared_armv7hl has a hardcoded python 2.6 | 05:19 |
| Stskeeps | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=libresourceqt&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared&repository=Mer_Core-next_armv7l seems to segfault under qemu | 05:20 |
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| E-P | Good morning | 05:33 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning E-P and sonach :) | 05:34 |
| sonach | morning Stskeeps! | 05:34 |
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| Stskeeps | Sleepy_Coder: scratchbox2 author can be reached at scratchbox-users list and is friendly | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sleepy_Coder: sb2 isn't meant to be run on device :) | 05:44 |
| Sleepy_Coder | that is good :3 | 05:44 |
| Sleepy_Coder | Thanks for the info :] | 05:44 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: what do 'package' and 'feature' mean in Arch of AgileBrowser? | 05:49 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: OK, so, as you might know, RPM autodetects dependencies depending on your actual needs, for example, if you need libacl.so.1, it'll add that as dependency. This means that any package can provide this 'feature' (libacl.so.1). A package dependency is an explicit "i want to use this package", ie, like Requires: bash | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | while a feature dependency could theoretically be provided by other packages | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | as an practical example, we have libjpeg62.so.1 - this feature could be provided by both libjpeg and libjpeg-turbo, as they provide same ABI | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sleepy_Coder: https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&order=Importance&bug_severity=task&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=TRIAGEDUPSTREAM&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=not-taken&emailtype1=substring , perhaps some of the 'low' priority ones would be right in your field | 05:53 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of simple work to train basic package contribution | 05:56 |
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| niqt | morning all | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | morn niqt :) | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | and good morning kostaja too | 06:26 |
| kostaja | mornings :) | 06:27 |
| kostaja | yes, about the mds | 06:28 |
| kostaja | should it still be possible to cross build with the "old style" cross tools? or is it just the sb2 tools now? | 06:28 |
| kostaja | i tried defining | 06:29 |
| kostaja | %define _cross_enabled 1 | 06:29 |
| kostaja | %define _cross_sb2_enabled 0 | 06:29 |
| kostaja | but some packages were missing | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | so, starting from the start, we have a Mer OBS packages because we currently patch OBS with SB2 enablement patches. these were attempted to be upstreamed but we collided with another cross approach (b1-systems's) and we got instructed by maintainers to work out a solution, which is underway. For now, this means we have the sb2-enabled Mer obs packages (ie, OBS itself) and this is needed for Mer deployments | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | we moved to the new cross approach (though not the upstreamed one) a fair while ago due to it being much cleaner and more reliable, sometimes even faster | 06:32 |
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| Stskeeps | i also dropped the old cross packages as they were cluttering up releases and being out of sync with newer rpmlint versions, for example | 06:33 |
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| kostaja | ok. we've had the mer fake obs running in our system for a long time already and i just recently updated to mds and bumped into the sb2 stuff. (previous mer release we've been using was from january) | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i feared this would happen at some point :) | 06:37 |
| kostaja | currently we don't want to start integrating any modifications to our production system, so i guess it means no cross builds with mer then.. | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | what OBS version are you guys on, out of curiousity? | 06:38 |
| kostaja | it's taken from obs github couple of months a go with some our own modifications. so some 2.3 beta. | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | since then there's also been Hostarch: modifications, so keep that in mind as well | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | our goal is a 2.3 based + 'new' SB2 cross approach package hopefully soon | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | FWIW, you should be possible to build the old cross packages still, they're still available in git | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | but may need some hacking | 06:42 |
| kostaja | ok. i'll take a look. | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | i'll have to pull a 'the plans were on display' defense though, we did announce it back on mailing list then that we were doing like this ;) | 06:43 |
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| kostaja | yeah, i should subscribe :D | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | kostaja: feel free to bother me anytime if there's any problems you run into, the least we can do is to make it easier to get things working | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | kostaja: think a OBS 2.3 + cross patches would be a suitable target for you to move production to eventually though? | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | this would bring you to bleeding edge of mobile OS cross compilation, both pure cross compilation (b1-systems) and a hybrid approach (sb2) ability | 06:45 |
| kostaja | yeah, definitely. | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | k | 06:45 |
| kostaja | your sb2 modifications to obs seem pretty straightforward, but as you said, there are other approaches as well so we figured that we don't want to start messing around with our production system at this point as it seems to create some problems always.. | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say try out on a development system for sure | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | we're a bit of an unusual approach, hence the unusual approaches :) | 06:46 |
| kostaja | yes, i will certainly do that :) | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | but i felt that it was definately useful to simplify our cross compilation story, especially since we were able to accelerate things like autoconf | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | and rpmlint properly | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | which means very fast cross builds | 06:47 |
| kostaja | yes, the new way seems better for sure | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | if you run into any kind of things like this that blocks Mer adaptation in your company, please file (a lot of) bugs in bugs.merproject.org -> Mer Vendor Interface , as well | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | as that is how we monitor problematic issues of our deliveries | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok, back to coding | 06:54 |
| kostaja | Stskeeps: ok. thanks for the support! | 06:54 |
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| Stskeeps | eocanha: you mentioned something a few days ago, could you repeat it? was far too jetlagged to respond :) | 07:17 |
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| eocanha | yes, it was more or less like this: (copypasting from logs) | 07:21 |
| eocanha | Stskeeps: remember that illegal instructions I had, even after ensuring optflags such as -march=i486 and -mno-sse ? | 07:21 |
| eocanha | A co-worker has finally found the cause | 07:22 |
| eocanha | there are packages adding "-ffast-math" in their configures | 07:22 |
| eocanha | and that links with crtfastmath.o (from gcc) which, no matter the care I put, still has illegal instructions | 07:22 |
| eocanha | I (hope) to have finally solved the problem by adding -fno-fast-math as optflag to the whole project | 07:22 |
| eocanha | Just wanted you to know. Maybe it's helpful to others. | 07:22 |
| eocanha | 07:22 | |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: hmm, that's awkward | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: can you check the crtfastmath.o from the latest Mer prerelease gcc ? | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | as i've done a full rebuild there | 07:23 |
| eocanha | do you heve the URL at hand? | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120517.0.1/builds/i486/packages/i486/gcc-4.6.3-1.42.i486.rpm , http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120517.0.1/builds/i486/packages/i486/libgcc-4.6.3-1.42.i486.rpm i guess | 07:25 |
| eocanha | thanks | 07:25 |
| eocanha | no illegal instructions there | 07:28 |
| eocanha | :) | 07:28 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, and checked crtfastmath.o there? | 07:30 |
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| eocanha | I've checked the whole package contents and there's no illegal instructions, but that package only contains libgcc_s-4.6.3.so.1 and some other links | 07:33 |
| eocanha | systemd, on the other hand, has illegal instructions | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | systemd in mer has illegal? hmm | 07:34 |
| eocanha | let me download the gcc package instead of libgcc | 07:35 |
| eocanha | aha! The same that happened to me: | 07:36 |
| eocanha | (from gcc) | 07:36 |
| eocanha | ./usr/libexec/gcc/i486-meego-linux/4.6.3/lto1 has non i486+ instructions | 07:36 |
| eocanha | ./usr/lib/gcc/i486-meego-linux/4.6.3/crtfastmath.o has non i486+ instructions | 07:36 |
| eocanha | 07:36 | |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 07:37 |
| eocanha | this is the tester script, by the way: http://pastebin.com/KMg0aQ5R | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | is it sse by chance? | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder because of -mfpu=sse2 hidden somewhere | 07:39 |
| kostaja | Stskeeps: if we decide to try to build the old cross packages, do you happen to have some script or something to help setting up the obs project for them? | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | kostaja: you should be able to jsut change 0/1 | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | in the obs-projects/Core | 07:40 |
| kostaja | you mean the build config? | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 07:43 |
| kostaja | and then import the sources from gitweb.merproject.org? | 07:44 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 07:44 |
| kostaja | ok. i was hoping i could hack mds fake obs to provide the package and then just osc copypac or something :) | 07:44 |
| kostaja | packages | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | that's also possible | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | packages.xml | 07:45 |
| kostaja | edit obs-projects/Core/crosshelpers/packages.xml and mappings.xml and restart mds? | 07:47 |
| Sleepy_Coder | Stskeeps: hmm thanks for pointing me at the bug list, I should have started there XD | 07:48 |
| eocanha | in lto1: cmove pmovmskb movdqa cmovg cmovne cmovae cmova pcmpestri; in crtfastmath.o: stmxcsr ldmxcsr fxsave cmovne | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | kostaja: and the individual packages.xml .. look at Makefile | 07:48 |
| kostaja | ok, thanks! | 07:48 |
| * Stskeeps pokes the tizen ref device with a stick | 07:49 | |
| eocanha | cmove is PentiumPro, pmovmskb is SSE, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_instruction_listings | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | does this show up in other 'i486' distros too? | 07:58 |
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| eocanha | gcc from Debian also has the same problem: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.6/gcc-4.6_4.6.3-1_i386.deb | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | curious | 08:18 |
| eocanha | Debian gcc 4.1 also fails (crtfastmath.o) | 08:21 |
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| lbt | morning all | 08:22 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: morning, jet lag gone? :) | 08:23 |
| lbt | pretty much | 08:23 |
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| Sleepy_Coder | Stskeeps: I have found that poking it might cause the screen to dislocate itself from the rest of the device. | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | Sleepy_Coder: yeah, it does that.. | 08:28 |
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| Stskeeps | morn mdfe_ | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: there's a hardcoded 2.6 reference in your packaging somewhere, see Project:KDE:Devel for _next | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | python 2.6, that is | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | should be easy to fix | 08:42 |
| lbt | hey mdfe_ | 08:43 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 08:44 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: I see | 08:44 |
| mdfe_ | thx | 08:44 |
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| sledges | good moaning! | 09:06 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: what's the situation with gdb? | 09:06 |
| lbt | hey sledges | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | morn Attie, sledges | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: in which sense | 09:06 |
| Attie | morning :) | 09:06 |
| lbt | cross gdb and gdb-server | 09:06 |
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| lbt | and any other oddities | 09:07 |
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| Stskeeps | haven't done anything in that area yet | 09:07 |
| lbt | I saw gdb-server in the repo | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | really? | 09:08 |
| lbt | gdb-gdbserver-7.4-1.11.armv7hl.rpm | 09:08 |
| sledges | hey guys, full fledged Lipstick QML demo ready: www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIHRLbAAFIE | 09:08 |
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| lbt | I figured we'd need a set of cross/gdb-* too | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we do | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: runs quite nicely | 09:10 |
| lbt | sledges: where's the wiki page? | 09:10 |
| sledges | lbt, all in good time | 09:11 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, thanks! | 09:11 |
| lbt | sledges: I'd actually like to build it so some pointers to source etc would be nice ... | 09:11 |
| sledges | lbt, that's great, I will put up a draft motivated thanks to you | 09:12 |
| lbt | thanks - would appreciate it :) | 09:12 |
| slaine | morning folks | 09:13 |
| lbt | hey slaine | 09:14 |
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| slaine | sledges: nice work | 09:18 |
| sledges | cheers slaine | 09:18 |
| sledges | lbt, I got all hardware adaptation still in ltib/binaries. Would you help me RPMise (create repo etc) it as you go through tutorial? Then my learning curve could be way less steep | 09:19 |
| sledges | and I could learn a great deal of how create repos from your example, as I still wouldn't have an idea how to do it at the moment :) | 09:20 |
| lbt | OK - I'm not sure what device I'll be targetting | 09:20 |
| sledges | which imx you mean? | 09:20 |
| lbt | I don't have one | 09:21 |
| sledges | the how would the tutorial be useful to you? | 09:21 |
| * sledges really curious now :) | 09:21 | |
| lbt | I thought you were working on lipstick itself :) | 09:22 |
| sledges | lipstick is a job done (as long as my hardware adaptation is concerned :)) | 09:22 |
| sledges | all worked out-of-the-box | 09:22 |
| lbt | OK - I misunderstood | 09:22 |
| lbt | however - if you're doing the HA then that also needs some work | 09:22 |
| sledges | roger | 09:22 |
| lbt | so do put up some info and I'll look at it | 09:23 |
| lbt | getting the HA packaging side sorted is important | 09:23 |
| sledges | and this is where we arrive to a sore point of mer: | 09:24 |
| sledges | should everything remain in ltib (Freescale's BSP SDK), or be RPMised, and hence we need a person looking after it on mer | 09:24 |
| sledges | ? | 09:24 |
| sledges | once Freescale release new ltib/patch-set. I.e. a HA maintainer is needed | 09:25 |
| lbt | this is what a community OBS is for | 09:25 |
| lbt | so Mer as such won't look after it, and yes, we'd need someone to maintain it | 09:25 |
| sledges | sure we have technical resources. but what if a person stops maintaining it? | 09:26 |
| sledges | yup | 09:26 |
| lbt | this is why good docs help | 09:26 |
| lbt | eg in the past I've tried to do the GMA500 drivers | 09:26 |
| lbt | all the other docs start with a collection of random binary blobs | 09:26 |
| lbt | when I documented it, I started with a link to Intel's released tarball and extracted blobs from t | 09:27 |
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| lbt | so the next person to try isn't stuck on step #1 | 09:27 |
| lbt | similarly for kernel source and upstream links for gl drivers for you | 09:27 |
| sledges | so, it is sufficient I just put links to Freescale's LTIB and let anyone else fire away with that (wanting to put it on OBS would then be a welcoming next step) | 09:28 |
| pirut | ~ | 09:29 |
| lbt | sure... anything helps - an overview of the contents of the HA and asuming your reader has limited specific knowledge | 09:29 |
| sledges | ok, I'll start cracking on :) | 09:29 |
| sledges | thanks lbt ! | 09:29 |
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| phaeron | http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Optimizations | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, saw | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | cool stuff | 10:00 |
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| phaeron | 2 seconds :D | 10:05 |
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| * dm8tbr hugs _av500_ for finally releasing SDE for gen9! | 10:27 | |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: ^^^ | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | woo | 10:36 |
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| Stskeeps | REMINDER: Mer bug triage in 15 minutes in #mer-meeting | 10:45 |
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| lbt | *sigh* bluetooth is dead on my N900 | 10:51 |
| lbt | hci_h4p hci_h4p: No cts from bt chip | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | on nemo that's normal | 10:52 |
| lbt | ... and it works? | 10:52 |
| lbt | hci_h4p: probe of hci_h4p failed with error -110 | 10:52 |
| lbt | (this is fremantle actually) | 10:53 |
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| Stskeeps | that's more problematic then | 10:55 |
| iekku | bug triage starting soon | 10:57 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah.. it has the dual-boot kernel though - and this is a kernel message - not sure why they'd differ | 11:26 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: new wpa_supplicant has also gui part build with qt, should we include that to mer core or not? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | mmm | 11:55 |
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| Sage | hmmp... ok, so need to check libnl as well then :P | 11:58 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: hi, what is the further plan with home:sage:telepathy? | 11:58 |
| sledges | wpa_gui ? remember using it back in 2006 :) | 11:59 |
| Sage | mdfe_: push it to probably CE:MW:Shared | 11:59 |
| Sage | mdfe_: you had some patch to one of the packages? | 11:59 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: sounds great to me :) | 11:59 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: I allready patxhed it | 11:59 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: you added me to the maintainers of home:sage:telepathy, so I fixed it | 12:00 |
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| Sage | mdfe_: ah ok :D | 12:01 |
| Sage | mdfe_: I'll push those to CE:MW:Shared during this week | 12:01 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: What is about peregrine? Do you like to push it into CE:MW:Shared as well? | 12:02 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: also anothert thing. We need to update libnl from 1.x series to 3.x series that is only updated version. Now the question is should we continue using libnl or should we rename to libnl3 ? | 12:02 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ref http://www.infradead.org/~tgr/libnl/ | 12:02 |
| Sage | mdfe_: CE:Apps | 12:03 |
| Sage | but that needs to wait for the telepathy stuff | 12:03 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: I will send a submit request when the telepathy stuff is inside CE:MW:Shared | 12:03 |
| Sage | mdfe_: or hmm... does peregrine require libmeegotouch stuff? | 12:04 |
| mdfe_ | not anymore | 12:04 |
| Sage | ok | 12:04 |
| Sage | then CE:Apps | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | woops, bricked my tizen reference device | 12:04 |
| mdfe_ | ack | 12:04 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: :D | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | don't use the recovery bootloader ;) | 12:05 |
| dcthang | Stskeeps: which device you are builing tizen on? | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: well, the one they gave out in SF | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | and i wasn't building tizen, i was trying to boot mer ;) | 12:06 |
| dcthang | ah ha. :P Is that device confidential? | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | but it is a bit closed source it seems | 12:07 |
| dcthang | ah ok. I only saw one phone with name Tizen from youtube. May be that's it. | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: could you dd the first 5mb of mmcblk0 on your tizen device for me to a file and send it over? :) | 12:09 |
| Sage | :D | 12:10 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: need to charge the device first | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:13 |
| Sage | just in case ;) | 12:13 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ^ questions above. any opinions? | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | i dont think anything else uses libnl in mer | 12:13 |
| Sage | so keeping the name libnl would be ok? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:14 |
| Sage | I would keep the name libnl as well, but I'm asking if you have any opinions | 12:14 |
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| Sage | also libnl < 3.x are not considered stable anymore so we should not use them anyway | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:15 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: the mer current thing frozen atm. for new patches? | 12:30 |
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| Stskeeps | correct | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | unless they're fixes to existing package versions | 12:32 |
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| Sage | k | 12:33 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: I would have liked to see pcre in this release, but it can go to next one as well. Causes full rebuild I guess | 12:33 |
| Sage | it is the hack removal for soname change | 12:34 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: what about the gui for wpa_supplicant. Drop or keep? | 12:38 |
| Sage | not sure who would need it though | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | drop | 12:42 |
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| AbsTradELic | Hi folie | 12:55 |
| AbsTradELic | Folkies | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | heya :) | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | so what brings you here? | 12:56 |
| AbsTradELic | Lo... my sinistre touch keyboard running under a tegra 2 with Android... what do web mean? | 12:58 |
| AbsTradELic | Lo | 12:58 |
| AbsTradELic | Lol | 12:58 |
| AbsTradELic | :-) | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, i don't understand? | 12:59 |
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| AbsTradELic | Stskeeps: Imagem here i have interests in put mer into my défice | 13:00 |
| AbsTradELic | Im* heresia | 13:00 |
| AbsTradELic | Um here | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | ah, cool | 13:01 |
| AbsTradELic | Kkkkk | 13:01 |
| AbsTradELic | Ok | 13:01 |
| AbsTradELic | :-) | 13:01 |
| AbsTradELic | Im beginning | 13:02 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/ may be a good start then | 13:04 |
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| AbsTradELic | I had looked about plasma active | 13:05 |
| AbsTradELic | At this moment im know plasma use mer for tegra 2 | 13:07 |
| AbsTradELic | Allright? | 13:07 |
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| Stskeeps | right, people run mer on tegra2, not sure about PA too | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: up to 1088 sectors of 512 bytes would be good ;) | 13:13 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: An important thing to us: | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 13:23 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: If We want to demostrate Mer's ability to others, what is your suggestions? Now we have qtmediahub, and I think we can download a lot of Qt/qml apps to demostrate and others? | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that should be possible, including perhaps qml applications with qt components | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | the possibilities are many | 13:25 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: so, can you give me some suggestions in your point of view? | 13:26 |
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| sonach | first, Is qtmediahub suitable to do this? | 13:26 |
| sroedal | sonach: maybe snowshoe | 13:27 |
| sonach | what does 'snowshoe' mean? | 13:27 |
| sroedal | sonach: http://snowshoe.cc | 13:28 |
| sroedal | sonach: you asked for Qt/qml demo apps :) | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: it depends on what exactly kind of ability you want to show - that it's a great platform in general, if so, show for example the integration on how you develop on PC and easily deploy to STB, screenshots/demo of OBS, and show small demos of things that just work, from qtmediahub to sample qt applications / qml apps .. | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i'm not a good marketing person as you can tell, but it really depends on your target group | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | if it's engineers, show what you feel is fantastic about mer and even be honest about problems it might have | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: oh, by the way, i ran into some people from OpenMobile who does android apps on top of meego, tizen and hopefully soon mer | 13:31 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: this time my target is "show small demos of things that just work", show them to a lot of people may or may not be engineers | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | we're going to try to see if we can get their work working on mer too | 13:31 |
| sonach | sroedal: hi, it seems that snowshoe is just a kind of browser? | 13:32 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: where can we download typical Qt/Qml apps? can you give me some websites? | 13:32 |
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| sonach | I want to demostrate several typical apps, to show that Mer is powerful, can work as good as other popular OS | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, might be good to take some for example phonegap applications too then | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | when do you have to do this? | 13:34 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: the week of May,28, | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:36 |
| sonach | sroedal: what is the difference between QtWebkit and snowshoe? | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: qtwebkit's a framework and snowshoe is a browser written in qml on top | 13:36 |
| Sage | lbt, Stskeeps: I did a merge request to spectacle upstream about the current changes I made couple of months ago and sent mail to the meego maintainer. Lets see if those can be got to upstream and if we could get also maintainer ship of that thing. If not we need to fork it. | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: we already got confirmed spectacle is dead | 13:37 |
| lbt | yep | 13:37 |
| Sage | we got? where? | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | anas | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | so pretty much from the source | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: and your device will be STB, i presume? | 13:38 |
| Sage | hmmp | 13:38 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Yes, hi3716m, | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, so that limits somewhat, because you don't have a mouse | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | i presume | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | so it limits what kind of demos you can interact with | 13:39 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: It doesn't matter. We can run some apps with USB mouse, | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, ok | 13:39 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: and if some app can be run by keyboard, we can run it with IR controler, | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i'd like to propose that you start a mailing list thread and collect interesting applications | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | on mer mailing list | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | many of us have to demo anyway, so this will help all of us | 13:40 |
| sonach | OK, very good advice, I will do it at once!! | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: also, qt has many interesting demos in qt-demos and qt-examples i think | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativeexamples.html | 13:41 |
| lbt | sonach: are you using the qtmediahub still ? | 13:41 |
| sonach | lbt: yes, is there anything better? | 13:43 |
| lbt | I haven't done a comparison | 13:43 |
| lbt | I asked because it seems like there's more movement in the Qt project around mediahub | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: out of curiousity, how is the performance these days? | 13:44 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: what do you mean by 'performance'? our progress? | 13:50 |
| sonach | lbt: "there's more movement in the Qt project around mediahub" where is this message? | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | well, if qtmediahub is too slow or if it is faster | 13:51 |
| sonach | ok, we don't improve performance of qtmediahub, now it just runs on fb of hisilicon, a little slow... | 13:52 |
| sonach | but acceptable... | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | 9k | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:53 |
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| Sage | mdfe_: the telepathy is now building in the CE:MW:Shared so you can probably push peregrine today if you want. | 14:17 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: just awesome :) | 14:18 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: could you retrigger gstreamer package? or is this new bug in python http://qtl.merproject.org/865d47f2-93fc-11e1-9ad2-00163e6e0038.txt ? | 14:25 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage: I cannot find any telepathy stuff inside CE:MW:Shared | 14:42 |
| Sage | o_0 | 14:42 |
| Sage | where in the heck did I push them :) | 14:42 |
| Sage | mdfe_: ah, thoes are still building it seems | 14:42 |
| Sage | or hmmp... | 14:43 |
| Sage | phaeron: ping :) | 14:43 |
| lbt | mdfe_ and Sage .... I was talking to eva at SF and it seems like there may be some issues wrt maintaining stability on packages | 14:44 |
| lbt | maybe we could schedule some time to discuss? | 14:44 |
| mdfe_ | yepp | 14:45 |
| Sage | lbt: sure. Can you give sort summary so I can prepare? :) | 14:45 |
| mdfe_ | when does it suit you best? | 14:45 |
| lbt | Sage: I think mdfe_ is best placed to summarise... it's affecting PA | 14:45 |
| lbt | mdfe_: is that correct? | 14:46 |
| mdfe_ | hm, it looks so | 14:46 |
| * Stskeeps points to the need for stabilization branches, which requires project-copy, which requires MDS2, which requires.. | 14:46 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:46 |
| mdfe_ | hehe | 14:46 |
| * lbt throws Stskeeps a sweetie to keep him occupied | 14:46 | |
| * Stskeeps let's lbt take this one.. | 14:47 | |
| lbt | *g* | 14:47 |
| Sage | oh, that story | 14:47 |
| Sage | yes, I agree that we need such thing. | 14:48 |
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| lbt | Sage, mdfe_ I think this is particularly important for any shared repos | 14:50 |
| lbt | so a good starting point would be to identify what shared repos there are and what their purpose is | 14:51 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: thats a good point | 14:51 |
| lbt | also some stability criteria | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | on top of that, releasing of hw adaptations.. | 14:51 |
| slaine | Also, MDS needs to grab the appropriate source snapshot, not head/master | 14:52 |
| lbt | slaine: yeah ... feature request | 14:52 |
| lbt | it's very much on the list | 14:52 |
| slaine | nod, came up this morning in conversation here. can't remember for what now | 14:53 |
| mdfe_ | is there a way to clone a git repo without fetching the hole history? | 14:53 |
| slaine | this morning seems so long ago | 14:53 |
| lbt | mdfe_: yes | 14:53 |
| mdfe_ | I'm just asking related to the MDS | 14:54 |
| lbt | MDS uses git in a really sucky way ... we know... | 14:54 |
| lbt | ah --depth | 14:55 |
| lbt | so ... it sounds like mdfe_ needs to prepare a short scope and then we can arrange a time. Want to send an email mdfe_? There may be other people interested in the shared libs and it's a general discussion on working policy | 14:58 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: HAs? | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | yup, HAs need to be released too, as to match certain core versions | 14:59 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: i will summarize some topics | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | a OBS repo alone doesn't cut it anymore | 15:00 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: OK, you're talking about publishing a release of a "product" ? | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | yes, as in, that if we're going for one or more stabilization branches, HAs would need to be released agaisnt those too | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | there's no joy in a HA that's for 0.20120601 when you're using 20110101 | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | just saying :) | 15:01 |
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| lbt | yep, OK | 15:03 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps: btw, gen9 SDE is "released" now | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: congrats, does it come with PA out of the box , or it's just a bootloader? | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | 'bootloader' | 15:04 |
| _av500_ | so far just the loader | 15:04 |
| _av500_ | PA will come in 1-2 days | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:04 |
| _av500_ | its a "silent" release so far, press release will be with pa | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | it's better to be distro independent anyway, ie, a loader first | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | makes people aware they can do their own stuff on it | 15:05 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage: could you drop me a line when the telepathy stuff is available in CE:MW:Shared? | 15:13 |
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| Sage | mdfe_: sure | 15:16 |
| mdfe_ | thx | 15:17 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: do you have issues with wifi on your ideapad? | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | it just kinda does that at times | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | even under ubuntu | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | i usually take out battery and zap the bios settings | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | that clears rfkill | 15:51 |
| Sage | mdfe_, Stskeeps the 0.20120120.1 static project was done quite some time ago can we remove it? I think it never did build successfully | 15:53 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: zap how? | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | ie, default bios settings, save, take out battery for a bit, put back in | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: are you sure test-connman enable wifi didn't work? | 15:59 |
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| smoku | didn't help | 16:00 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 16:00 |
| smoku | at first flipping the switch to OFF enabled wifi | 16:00 |
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| smoku | but after reboot flipping the switch resulted only with timeout message in dmesg | 16:00 |
| smoku | both ways | 16:00 |
| smoku | (i don't remember the exact message) | 16:00 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: 0.20120120.1 is not needed anymore | 16:01 |
| smoku | and sys rhkill reports it's hard-disabled | 16:01 |
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| Sage | mdfe_: ok, I'll remove those then | 16:08 |
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| * lbt is running diagnostics | 16:15 | |
| lbt | ... on coffee machine | 16:15 |
| lbt | New thermo-timer needed.... | 16:16 |
| * lbt wonders if the driver is in mainline yet? | 16:16 | |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: got the dd already? | 17:01 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://sage.kapsi.fi/tizen/mmcblk0-start | 17:06 |
| Sage | dd bs=512 count=1088 if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=mmcblk0-start | 17:07 |
| Sage | right? | 17:07 |
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| Stskeeps | right, it didn't help much though | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | could you grab me bs=1m and count=16 for good measure? | 17:21 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: can we schedule a build of nemo core-next tomorrow? | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | then we can test things a bit | 17:26 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: I think so yes. | 17:27 |
| Sage | fixing the applauncher thin atm. | 17:27 |
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| vgrade | evening | 17:34 |
| vgrade | sledges, nice vid | 17:34 |
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| Sage | someone should remind me of pinging mdfe tomorrow about telepathy it is now in CE:MW:Shared | 18:15 |
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| Sage | ok, so anyone up for a test run with updated: libnl, wpa_supplicant, connman, bluez and ofono ? :D | 20:02 |
| Sage | one thing lead to another and well need to update all of those :P | 20:02 |
| Sage | UI is not working in nemo at least that is quite sure, but cmdline things would need testing in all areas | 20:03 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Ai586 <- packages available here for all archs so don't mind about the name. | 20:03 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/#change,571 <- kick? | 20:05 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: gerrit seems to be having a bad day :/ | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | probably, will look tomorrow | 20:38 |
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