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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:48 |
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| phaeron | morning | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: so any news while i've been gone? | 08:08 |
| phaeron | nothing much yet. read mails | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 08:10 |
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| Stskeeps | at least there's nothing from tizen conference that makes me feel we should stop doing what we're doing - we may be able to have some synergies with tizen ivi and perhaps have their web runtime available as a component on top of mer, but that's about it | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | as well as integration of systemd user sessions | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | well, that and possibly the security framework work | 08:12 |
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| phaeron | any possibility that they use mer as a core OS :D | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know, tbh, but there were some good talks | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | it didn't help that it seems like imad thought mer was deb-based, but.. | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:19 |
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| phaeron | b2g is also interesting | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | my own preference is something webkit based, but b2g could for sure run on mer | 08:21 |
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| Stskeeps | fwiw it seems like tizen 2.0 will be december-ish | 08:27 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: so could you fill me in on how prj-copy is going? | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | / bugs we have | 08:29 |
| phaeron | lbt: tested it and said it was still causing rebuild , but I didn't have time to reproduce the issue | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:29 |
| phaeron | but project copy part is working at least | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | on my side, i've been deploying the new cross build approach and found they haven't yet implemented obs local builds | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | which is mightily irritating | 08:30 |
| lbt | morning | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 08:31 |
| phaeron | the sb2 + other guy's approach ? | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | just the other guy's approach for now | 08:32 |
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| * Stskeeps grimaces | 08:41 | |
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| Stskeeps | this shit is so damn buggy | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | it won't run in kvm(!) | 08:56 |
| lbt | what makes it better than the approach you used in sb2? | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have SB2install: and we can actually pull a sane host file system | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | and react on dependencies | 08:59 |
| lbt | mmm ... is that what makes *it* better? or? | 08:59 |
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| Stskeeps | well, the parts of it i want to use | 09:00 |
| lbt | (the "we" confused me) | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:00 |
| lbt | yeah - so can you transplant those bits? | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | i'm rebasing sb2 on top of the b1-systems' approach, but i had not expected it to be this buggy | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | and i haven't even started including my code yet | 09:01 |
| lbt | *nod* ... so how about applying their approach to your code? | 09:01 |
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| Stskeeps | not feasible, i'd run into the same bugs | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | only way forward is a lot of bug spray | 09:02 |
| lbt | ok | 09:02 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: fe started showing 500's and after a reboot it's not coming up anymore, could you investigate? | 09:49 |
| lbt | will do | 09:54 |
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| CosmoHill | .o// | 09:56 |
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| lbt | grr | 10:51 |
| lbt | bloody init scripts that lie about success | 10:51 |
| lbt | phost1:~ # /etc/init.d/libvirtd stop ..... "done" ..... ps -ef .... "root 3150 1 0 Mar29 ? 00:00:01 /usr/sbin/libvirtd -d -l" | 10:52 |
| * lbt welcomes systemd | 10:52 | |
| CosmoHill | hi lbt | 10:52 |
| CosmoHill | I'd like to move CLFS over to systemd | 10:52 |
| lbt | hey CosmoHill .... just fixing stuff | 10:52 |
| lbt | good plan | 10:52 |
| lbt | it has a lot going for it if you can manage the overhead of init script changes | 10:53 |
| CosmoHill | atm I'm looking at cars | 10:53 |
| CosmoHill | once in a while I like looking at car but now my MOT is due soon | 10:54 |
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| lbt | mine runs out tomorrow | 10:54 |
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| lbt | mmm .... phost1 kernel: [3914550.431385] libvirtd[26295]: segfault at 10 ip 00007f97e573c074 sp 00007f97df8eda00 error 4 in libpthread-2.11.3.so[7f97e5733000+17000] | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | <3 | 10:55 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm looking at a Pug 207 1.6 VTi Sport and a Saab 9-3 1.8t but dad doesn't want me to get the Saab | 10:56 |
| lbt | fwd ... ugh | 10:57 |
| lbt | saab never appealed to me ... too much torque steer | 10:58 |
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| * Stskeeps likes his kia | 10:58 | |
| phaeron | lbt: adam did a bunch of upgrades a couple of days ago | 10:59 |
| CosmoHill | they're £770 and £905 respectively for insurance | 10:59 |
| lbt | phaeron: mer infra | 10:59 |
| phaeron | ah | 10:59 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: so you've passed your driving test? | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: no, i own a car but i can't drive it | 10:59 |
| CosmoHill | I was going to buy a car from my mate but he sold is to his other mate | 11:00 |
| CosmoHill | this was over a year ago and his mate still hasn't passes his test | 11:00 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah ... that confused me | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: mm? | 11:01 |
| lbt | I recall you bought the kia and then you got lessons... | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yeah | 11:02 |
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| CosmoHill | I bet the test drive was interesting | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | private driver ;) | 11:02 |
| lbt | *g | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | for me, the comfort in the passenger seat was the important factor ;) | 11:03 |
| CosmoHill | it's £30 to insure me for a day for a test drive, for some reason they won't insure me and my dad | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://webui-ci.tspre.org/ | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | awkward | 11:03 |
| lbt | yeah, just looking at that ... at least virtd and the vm are ok now | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | /dev/vda 6.0G 5.9G 0 100% / | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | well that explains a lot | 11:04 |
| lbt | grumble http://monitor.in.merproject.org/icinga/ | 11:05 |
| lbt | not got fe on it yet | 11:05 |
| lbt | -rw-r--r-- 1 wwwrun www 963268608 May 13 13:05 production.log | 11:06 |
| lbt | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3014410240 May 13 13:05 apache_access_log | 11:06 |
| * lbt suggests logrotate | 11:06 | |
| * Stskeeps concurs | 11:06 | |
| Stskeeps | 6gb is way too small for rsync repos though | 11:07 |
| lbt | I agree - there should be no repos | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | really? don't you rsync to fe? | 11:07 |
| lbt | no | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | i have to leave soon for the afternoon though | 11:07 |
| lbt | fe is ruby only - no real data | 11:07 |
| lbt | me too | 11:08 |
| lbt | I'll be around evening though | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | how quick can logrotate be installed? | 11:08 |
| lbt | doing it | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:08 |
| lbt | rootfs 6.0G 3.1G 2.6G 56% / | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and fe renders | 11:09 |
| lbt | nb... this is why we have /var people!!! | 11:09 |
| lbt | note to #obs.... logs should not go in /srv | 11:09 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: *ping* wasn't there something? | 11:09 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: always | 11:09 |
| dm8tbr | ah, now I remember | 11:10 |
| * dm8tbr gently points lbt towards MerBot | 11:10 | |
| lbt | where? | 11:10 |
| dm8tbr | shell? | 11:10 |
| lbt | is it down? | 11:10 |
| dm8tbr | do I have an account? | 11:10 |
| lbt | ah | 11:10 |
| lbt | yep | 11:11 |
| lbt | I meant to talk about monitoring at SF too | 11:11 |
| lbt | somehow we never sat down for a drink/chat :( | 11:11 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, shame :( | 11:11 |
| lbt | hopefully @devaamo :) | 11:11 |
| * lbt not heard back about talk/sponsorship yet though | 11:12 | |
| dm8tbr | indeed, meanwhile I also have a Polycom at home which can be reached over IAX2/SIP. | 11:12 |
| * dm8tbr is a bit out of the loop on conference program | 11:13 | |
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| lbt | *g* .. my SIP system isn't up yet ... I have a server with an FXO though... and 2 ADSL cards ... and a Linksys spookybox | 11:14 |
| lbt | some kind of SIP->analogue thingy | 11:14 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: about the snapshot... | 11:15 |
| lbt | it looks quiet now | 11:16 |
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| lbt | OK .. fixed the log issue in git too | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: ok, yes, is quiet | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'm OK for snapshot | 11:30 |
| lbt | 2.3.0 of OBS has been tagged | 11:33 |
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| lbt | last week by the look of it | 11:34 |
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| lbt | phaeron: I'll rebase our obs branch against that for now | 11:34 |
| phaeron | ok | 11:48 |
| * phaeron tries to do something useful .. | 11:48 | |
| phaeron | I know I'll eat :D | 11:49 |
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| CosmoHill | F1 is starting btw | 12:00 |
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| jonwil | F1 has become boring :( | 12:42 |
| CosmoHill | it's background noise atm | 12:47 |
| CosmoHill | HDTV isn't much good when you're not looking at it :p | 12:47 |
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| Stskeeps | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2012/05/tizen-conference-wrapping-up.html | 16:35 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i think i've realized where the misconception of mer being deb could have come from | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: if you googled us, you would probably have found the old wiki pages | 17:43 |
| timoph | evening | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | evening timoph :) | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | how is it going? | 17:56 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: ah | 18:11 |
| * lbt is just back from Tango ... 3rd session this weekend ... we had withdrawal... | 18:12 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrtANPtnhyg - old, but worth a watch | 18:12 |
| lbt | one day ... "Mer on TED" | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda wonder what could be done with 320x480 picoprojector | 18:14 |
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| Stskeeps | but at least that concept fullfills my idea of a 'no-ux' approach | 18:16 |
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| smoku | is there a script in Platform SDK that is being run during "enter"? | 19:04 |
| smoku | ~/.mersdk.profile is nice, but I would like something sdk dependant | 19:05 |
| smoku | i.e. I would like to see in PS1 _which_ SDK I entered :) | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | well, the scripts are in / i think, so it's entirely hackable :) | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | saunabad: how much CPU% would simple motion detection cost in opencv? | 19:09 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: thx for the hint | 19:13 |
| smoku | I added "export MERSDK_TYPE=" to /mer-bash-setup | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:13 |
| saunabad | Stskeeps: i've used opencv only as a camera frontend, but afaik doing something like that shouldn't be a problem even with phones | 19:13 |
| smoku | and changed PS1 to Mer${MERSDK_TYPE}SDK $PS1 | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | saunabad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrtANPtnhyg - am pondering to do something like that, one of the ideas is motion detection of a tablet for example | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | with mer of course | 19:17 |
| ali1234 | i have quite a bit of experience with projectors... you need at least 2000 lumens if you want to do the kind of stuff shown in that video outside during the daytime | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: probably, yeah | 19:18 |
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| ali1234 | the "take photo" gesture was the best thing though | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | don't even need a display for that | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | also, he did "pinched" the website onto his computer but then when he wanted to print there was just a print button | 19:20 |
| ali1234 | why not just do the same drag and drop to the printer? | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | probably a series of youtube demos that weren't in order of discoveries | 19:21 |
| ali1234 | probably | 19:21 |
| ali1234 | also, the "take photo" gesture is really clever, but the "here's a random disorganized pile of photos and you can manipulate them like real photos with gestures" interface really sucks and is worse than what computers do today | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | yup, and the fact his implementation is for windows | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | makes you wonder if we could do it better | 19:23 |
| saunabad | Stskeeps: i think sandst1 has been doing some simple motion detection with opencv | 19:24 |
| saunabad | have to take a look at that video... | 19:25 |
| dm8tbr | wasn't there something for the n9 in the nokia app store? | 19:26 |
| dm8tbr | http://store.ovi.com/content/214364 | 19:27 |
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| saunabad | oh, cool | 19:28 |
| ali1234 | saunabad: the motion tracking is the easy part... recognizing real objects is the hard part... someone would have to program in how to recognize every boarding pass for every airline in the world etc... or rely on flaky AI. same for "pinch" moving... the hard part is getting all the operating systems to cooperate | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | my hope is a bit we can do a toolbox on top of mer that enables us to do these kind of things easier | 19:29 |
| saunabad | ali1234: yep, object detection is another thing. motion detection should be doable | 19:30 |
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| saunabad | and i've had very good experience with marker detection if that helps | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | saunabad: was your code qt-based or how was it? | 19:33 |
| saunabad | Stskeeps: yep, i took a part of artoolkit and use opencv for camera and qt3d for opengl | 19:34 |
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| saunabad | Stskeeps: i hope i could release the source soon, need to ask the customer first though | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:35 |
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| smoku | any hints on starting dbus under SDK? | 19:40 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: is there a tool to setup connman connection in Mer? | 19:50 |
| smoku | ie. configure wifi | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: we use connman-test package | 19:55 |
| smoku | thx | 19:55 |
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| lbt | smoku: the mer-bash-setup has : [[ -e ~/.mersdk.profile ]] && . ~/.mersdk.profile ..... the file in ~/ won't be over-ridden on upgrade | 20:04 |
| smoku | lbt: yup. but i have two SDK instances installed and I wanted to know which one I'm currently in | 20:05 |
| lbt | I see | 20:05 |
| lbt | why do you have 2? | 20:06 |
| dm8tbr | because he is pro-choice? SCNR | 20:06 |
| lbt | (I allowed for this in design but wonder what you actually use it for) | 20:06 |
| lbt | :P dm8tbr | 20:06 |
| smoku | lbt: one for developping software, second for packaging it | 20:10 |
| lbt | OK | 20:10 |
| phaeron | lbt: I noticed that the sdk bind mounted everything regardless if it needed it or not .. in my case 43 bind mounts. Is that really necessary ? | 20:14 |
| lbt | if I'd picked only 42 of them you'd have needed the 43rd :) | 20:15 |
| smoku | :D | 20:15 |
| lbt | phaeron: I'm open to suggestions - but the more complex we make it, the more likely we hit a boundary issue | 20:16 |
| lbt | it's not like btrfs where there's only a limited number of links ..... *g* | 20:17 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: any hints on connman-test? | 20:39 |
| smoku | i tried connect-service myssid mypass | 20:40 |
| smoku | but it borks on me | 20:40 |
| phaeron | lbt: have you seen the types of mounts on a systemd system ? most of them are cgroups , tmpfs etc .. | 20:41 |
| phaeron | no point in binding them inside | 20:41 |
| phaeron | the sdk | 20:41 |
| lbt | I could actually see mic making good use of cgroups inside the SDK | 20:47 |
| lbt | so unless there's something beyond "mount returns too much data" (which is rather unpleasant) I'd just leave it as-is | 20:48 |
| phaeron | mic and cgroups ? | 20:51 |
| lbt | it regularly used to leave processes running | 20:52 |
| phaeron | maybe when the sdk uses systemd user sessions ( then it would require systemd ? ) :D | 20:53 |
| lbt | *g* | 20:53 |
| vgrade | smoku, wep or wpa? | 20:54 |
| vgrade | smoku, sometimes needs test-connman enable wifi | 20:54 |
| smoku | vgrade: WPA | 20:54 |
| smoku | but.. | 20:55 |
| smoku | # ifconfig wlan0 up | 20:55 |
| smoku | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill | 20:55 |
| smoku | but I have the wifi switch set to the "on" position :/ | 20:55 |
| phaeron | there is software kill switch as well | 20:56 |
| phaeron | try the rfkill command ( install it if it is not ) | 20:56 |
| smoku | kind of hard to install anything without networking on ;-) | 21:00 |
| phaeron | you can always download the rpm and copy it over usb :) | 21:00 |
| smoku | yeah. | 21:01 |
| smoku | just whining... ;-) | 21:01 |
| phaeron | OTOH try to fiddle with /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill[n]/soft | 21:02 |
| smoku | doh... no rfkill in mer :/ | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | test-connman enable wifi should help | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: btw, bug triage mail? | 21:04 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: Operation timeout :/ | 21:05 |
| smoku | grr | 21:05 |
| phaeron | maybe it needs firmware ? | 21:06 |
| phaeron | smoku: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=rfkill&project=home:sage:branches:Mer:fake:Core:armv7l | 21:06 |
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| phaeron | so it does come from core | 21:06 |
| smoku | maybe it used to come | 21:07 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas / bonne nuit | 21:20 |
| smoku | interestingly enough flipping the wifi switch to "off" enlighten the wifi led and wifi is fine now :D | 21:21 |
| smoku | LOL | 21:21 |
| CosmoHill | smoku: in soviet russia... | 21:23 |
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| shmerl | Hi! | 23:09 |
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| shmerl | Does anyone have an idea why libvpx isn't included in default Mer packages? | 23:10 |
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| shmerl | (That's for WebM video codec) | 23:10 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: do you have problems using wifi on your ideapad? (i noticed you carry it around) | 23:18 |
| Sleepy_Coder | Stskeeps: It isn't expected that anyone run scratchbox2 on a phone or something seemingly underperforming, is it? | 23:22 |
| Sleepy_Coder | seemingly -> similarly* | 23:23 |
| Sleepy_Coder | I can't imagine why someone would, there are just a couple things in the Lua side of scratchbox that could be written more clearly :> Not sure if the original author was trying to micro-optimise :> | 23:24 |
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