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| pdanek | ali1234: and B2G is completely openly developed, same as Mer is, in contrast to Tizen | 00:41 |
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| pdanek | ali1234: B2G development is quite rapid last months, they are heading into functional/beta release soon (June 1 according roadmap) | 00:42 |
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| pdanek | ali1234: and Gecko is rendering engine, not browser, anyway you are right, everything is webapp, what you see as "phone app" is basically something like a bookmark in your browser, except it can be cached to your phone for offline usage | 00:44 |
| pdanek | ali1234: also, Mozilla is non-profit organization and they do great job, same as Mer project does anyway | 00:45 |
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| proyvind | might be a silly question but... is actual use of phone expected to work with nemo on n9 currently? | 02:50 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: When I make in Mer's chroot with '-j4', it reports: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1. Add `+' to parent make rule. | 03:06 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Is there any way to enable 'make -jx'? | 03:07 |
| iekku | proyvind, i have heard that people can receive calls | 03:13 |
| proyvind | hm | 03:18 |
| proyvind | initially, first time when opening wifi stuff, it listed networks, then later on, it claimed wifi not being supported on the device :| | 03:19 |
| proyvind | 'iwlist wlan0 scan' etc. from terminal did work none the less.. | 03:19 |
| iekku | you need to boot the device | 03:19 |
| proyvind | but then it went away | 03:19 |
| proyvind | and not been able to activate my sim card or related at all :| | 03:20 |
| iekku | :o | 03:21 |
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| Bostik | morning | 04:13 |
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| E-P | Morning | 05:17 |
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| Stskeeps | morn, or rather, goodnight :P | 05:26 |
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| beford | hey | 05:44 |
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| Bostik | okay, this is weird | 06:17 |
| Bostik | something in qtwebkit build requirements pulls in libqt4* packages and that (naturally) breaks things | 06:20 |
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| djszapi | Hey! Has anybody tried Mer on a toughbook ? | 10:37 |
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| * jukkaeklund_ in TV interop workshop.. webkit and linux are the rule | 10:48 | |
| E-P | nice | 10:51 |
| E-P | jukkaeklund_: using linux as TV's OS? | 10:54 |
| jukkaeklund_ | yes, so far all I have seen | 10:55 |
| jukkaeklund_ | I don't think they are even any alternatives | 10:55 |
| * X-Fade just saw xbmc working on his RPi on tv :) | 10:55 | |
| jukkaeklund_ | frustrated that QtonPi | 10:55 |
| jukkaeklund_ | ..hasn't appeared | 10:55 |
| E-P | at least my samsung TV has some kind of linux | 10:55 |
| jukkaeklund_ | like mine | 10:56 |
| E-P | waiting for a day when I can replace that | 10:56 |
| X-Fade | E-P: SammyGO? :) | 10:56 |
| jukkaeklund_ | yes, but there isn't a custom rom for my set at least (D-series) | 10:57 |
| jukkaeklund_ | but, one can hack it nicely to get full access via ssh etc. | 10:57 |
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| jukkaeklund_ | would be kind of nice to see how would it look like those old linux releases were replaced with eg Mer | 10:58 |
| E-P | I am using MythTV at home, and would be nice to have mythfrontend on the tv directly | 10:58 |
| jukkaeklund_ | I guess you could try to install that on your sammy :) | 10:58 |
| E-P | yep, I will first try that with rpi | 10:59 |
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| dcthang | someone knows which VideoPlayer package for Mer? | 10:59 |
| dcthang | the link I mean. | 10:59 |
| E-P | X-Fade: have you tried to play 'normal' mpeg videos with rpi, eg. dvb content? | 11:00 |
| X-Fade | E-P: No mpeg2 support. | 11:00 |
| X-Fade | No license for the codec. | 11:00 |
| jukkaeklund_ | btw, if somebody is interested hacking on TVs I could find some left over sets in the office.. | 11:00 |
| E-P | X-Fade: ok | 11:01 |
| timoph | jukkaeklund_: hackable tv? I could take one :) | 11:06 |
| alterego | How are they hackable? | 11:07 |
| * timoph hopes they're small | 11:07 | |
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| jukkaeklund_ | well, they run linux and at least on samsung you can hack your way to shell | 11:14 |
| slaine | jukkaeklund_: Some philips TV's also run it, at least the ones I've worked with | 11:26 |
| jukkaeklund_ | safe to say all recent models run some flavor | 11:27 |
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| speakman | How does Mer compare/differ to e.g. Ångström distribution or Buildroot? | 11:48 |
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| slaine | speakman: the wiki probably gives a lot of details | 11:54 |
| slaine | But essentially, Mer takes off where MeeGo 1.3 should have been | 11:54 |
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| slaine | Or rather MeeGo 1.3 Core | 11:54 |
| slaine | So, the packaging is abstracted out and built with Open Build Service | 11:55 |
| slaine | The images are created with the image creation tool, mic, using kickstart files | 11:55 |
| speakman | Ok, I'm afraid I'm not very familiar with MeeGo. Trying to read as much as possible. | 11:56 |
| speakman | And how does Tizen and Mer differ? What I'm looking for is a way to run one (at least) HTML5 (and/or QML) based application fullscreen on our beagleboard like hardwar. | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | as a start, there's no image creators for tizen currently, or beagleboard adaptation | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | we have mer on beagleboard adaptation and it should be almost trivial with our platform sdk to get your usecase running | 12:03 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps: odd build errors with qtwebkit (qt5-a1), as something pulls in libqt4* packages and naturally paths conflict; I'll try to hunt down the cause | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: ok, check build log top | 12:06 |
| speakman | Stskeeps: thanks, where can I follow beagleboard adaption development? I've just signed up for the mailinglist. | 12:06 |
| Bostik | oh bugger... | 12:07 |
| Bostik | cycle: qt5-qtsql-devel -> libqt-devel | 12:07 |
| Bostik | that's not right.... | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | speakman: harbaum is the one who does it | 12:08 |
| alterego | printer kit arrived today :) | 12:08 |
| speakman | Stskeeps: ok! | 12:09 |
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| Stskeeps | speakman: think wiki has info, if not, prod him | 12:13 |
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| Bostik | this has to be it: | 12:15 |
| Bostik | % rpm -qp --requires qt5-qtsql-devel-5\~5.0.0\~alpha1-5.2.i586.rpm |grep Qt | fgrep -v .so.5 | 12:15 |
| Bostik | pkgconfig(QtCore) | 12:15 |
| Bostik | pkgconfig(QtCore) prefers libqt-devel, I think | 12:15 |
| Bostik | a versioned dependency should be better, I think :) | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: yes | 12:16 |
| Bostik | an automatically generated dependency.... hm | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | bad .pc\ | 12:18 |
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| Stskeeps | speakman: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace , search for 'beagleboard' | 13:13 |
| speakman | thanks! :) | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | speakman: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK will be your faithful friend | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, those .ks'es might be out of date | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: do you have any more up to date beagleboard .ks? | 13:16 |
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| bigbluehat | Stskeeps: just more "day of glass" style tech :) http://living-planit.com/UOS_architecture.htm | 13:43 |
| bigbluehat | more foundational | 13:43 |
| bigbluehat | maybe :) | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 13:43 |
| * Stskeeps is blogging atm, will look later | 13:43 | |
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| bigbluehat | no worries :) | 13:46 |
| bigbluehat | just fodder | 13:46 |
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| Stskeeps | blogged about tizen conference so far: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2012/05/tizen-conference-2012-first-days.html | 15:02 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: just read it, very good | 15:06 |
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| * timoph reads | 15:11 | |
| Combatjuan | Stskeeps: I'm in the middle of reading it. Very informative. "Tizen architecture (SLP-based) has a lot of NIH in it -"), NIH = "Not Invented Here", SLP = ??? | 15:12 |
| slaine | Samsung Linux Platform | 15:12 |
| Combatjuan | slaine: Ah. Thanks. | 15:12 |
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| slaine | Their implementation of LiMo, Linux for Mobiles | 15:12 |
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| slaine | it basically became the de facto implementation of that | 15:13 |
| slaine | Finally, FINALLY, checked in a fix for that touchscreen EEPROM problem that's been plaguing me for weeks. | 15:14 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage: hi | 15:16 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: great article, thanks | 15:17 |
| chouchoune | (and hi ;)) | 15:17 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: we got peregrine running on your home:sage:telepathy project | 15:17 |
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| harbaum | Stskeeps: Sure. The last one i used is http://pastie.org/3884750 | 15:18 |
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| pirut | Stskeeps: thanks for the post, really insightful | 15:21 |
| pirut | Stskeeps: has teh turn out been good overall ? | 15:21 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: very well said | 15:25 |
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| Stskeeps | pirut: it hasn't been bad, quite well attended | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | pirut: we even get tizen ref devices | 15:39 |
| pirut | Stskeeps: I know | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | now actively hacking it to see if i can put mer on it | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:39 |
| pirut | :) | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | unless SMACK or other things block me ;) | 15:39 |
| pirut | I managed to get one a few weeks ago | 15:39 |
| pirut | no such trouble there, permissive security policy ;) | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | and other funny items include kernel source availability | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | i really hope they don't screw that one.. | 15:40 |
| pirut | oh that is a nightmare | 15:40 |
| pirut | 2.6.36, 3.0.8, 3.2 | 15:40 |
| pirut | take you pick | 15:41 |
| pirut | and wjhatever is backported to each one :) | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | i'm fine with anything above .32 :P | 15:41 |
| pirut | actually you joke but that could actually be onteh ref devices | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | right now i'm trying to remember where it was i would get 'sbd' | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | err. sdb | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | or what it was | 15:42 |
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| pirut | you mean sbs ? | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | no, sdb, smart development bridge | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | i just found the usb debugging mode | 15:44 |
| pirut | that is all part of teh sbs installation | 15:44 |
| pirut | *should* be | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | it is? ok | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | ah, there we go | 15:54 |
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| Stskeeps | it was in sdk | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | uImage.. well that's positive | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | 2.6.36 | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | arm mali, curious | 15:57 |
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| tripzero | hi | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | moo tripzero | 16:07 |
| * tripzero reads Stskeeps' blog | 16:08 | |
| Sage | mdfe_: nice. any problems with those pacakges? | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: get 'sdb' from sdk | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | http://download.tizen.org/sdk/beta/binary/ | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | and put it into usb settings debugging mode | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: it's a s5pc something dual core arm with mali-ish drivers | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | xorg 1.9.3. | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | uImage booted | 16:11 |
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| Stskeeps | kernel source not found.. | 16:13 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: oh, they are using modified adb from android? | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | noo clue | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | its just called sdb | 16:14 |
| Sage | well that sdb looks like adb from android :) | 16:14 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: "device not found". | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: settings usb mode -> usb debugging | 16:17 |
| Sage | sdb = Samsung Developer Bridge, they have it named as Smart Developer Bridge in --help but in other palces in the binary it reads Samsung instead of smart :) | 16:17 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: did that didn't help | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | try again | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it's conflicting with your usbnet stuff | 16:17 |
| Sage | ah, you need to disconnect usb | 16:18 |
| Sage | x) ~609 packages installed | 16:19 |
| Sage | hmmp | 16:20 |
| Sage | where is the kernel for this device? | 16:21 |
| Sage | well, sources | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i was wondering same thing | 16:21 |
| Sage | there is no package in the device that contains the uImage | 16:21 |
| tripzero | heh | 16:21 |
| Sage | Ok, time to go to samsung booth to ask about that probably ;) | 16:22 |
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| Stskeeps | yup | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | more importantly, someone who's a lawyer at linux foundation who understands the importance | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | ie, if you see ibrahim.. | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:23 |
| * Sage tweeted to @samsung_dev ;) | 16:26 | |
| alterego | Started making my printer :) http://tinyurl.com/cot83ec | 16:29 |
| alterego | 1.5 hours to build the A-Frame | 16:29 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: https://review.tizen.org/git/?p=kernel/linux-2.6.36.git;a=summary <- maybe thsi? | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | hmm.. | 16:43 |
| Sage | it is fun though that they pushed all files with one commit and not based on linux kernel git tree :P | 16:43 |
| Sage | so no history :) | 16:43 |
| Sage | commit diff is like 90M or something I guess :P | 16:44 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: only one fix was needed in telepathy-gabble, the rest is awesome | 16:48 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: But I did not tried it on arm yet | 16:48 |
| Sage | mdfe_: ah, ok. | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: yes, it's the kernel | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | https://review.tizen.org/git/?p=kernel/linux-2.6.36.git;a=blob;f=packaging/linux-2.6.36.spec;h=563611f1b6e0c93216296bd3331675a822254c08;hb=refs/heads/master gives it away | 16:50 |
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| Sage | 22 License: TO_BE_FILLED | 16:54 |
| Sage | :D | 16:54 |
| Sage | I'm already cloning that :) | 16:54 |
| Sage | good the defconfig is there as well | 16:55 |
| Sage | CONFIG_VIDEO_MALI400MP=y | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:57 |
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| tripz0 | mali? | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, seems like it | 17:01 |
| tripz0 | what hw? | 17:01 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: you have microsd card with you btw? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: no :( | 17:01 |
| wmarone_ | Stskeeps: what tool did you mention earlier for accessing the device, I totally didn't hear you | 17:02 |
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| tripz0 | the tizen dev phone is mali? | 17:03 |
| Sage | tripz0: seems so | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone_: sdb | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | http://download.tizen.org/sdk/1_0-larkspur/binary/ | 17:04 |
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| * Sage ponders if adb would work as well | 17:06 | |
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| Sage | o_0 CONFIG_ANDROID=y | 17:17 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: yes | 17:17 |
| Sage | I ponder what they use from that | 17:18 |
| Sage | ah, the usb stuff | 17:18 |
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| Sage | http://pastie.org/3885290 :( | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | toolchain error | 17:26 |
| Sage | oh | 17:26 |
| Sage | so I need to get older linaro toolchain? | 17:27 |
| Sage | gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabi-2012.02-20120222_linux.tar.bz2 <- better chosie? | 17:30 |
| CosmoHill | http://threepanelsoul.com/ | 17:30 |
| CosmoHill | woof | 17:30 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: ah, you are not in hacker lounge anymore :) | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: was in auke's systemd talk | 17:39 |
| Sage | ah, ok was it good? | 17:41 |
| Sage | I was there last year and though that it might be similar to that one so didn't attend. | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | was interesting | 17:42 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: ok, will listen it online when available | 17:49 |
| CosmoHill | will that be available for download? | 17:49 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: http://androidflip.com/how-to-install-flash-firmware-on-samsung-galaxy-s-2-gt-i9100/ | 18:05 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788640 | 18:21 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: tar -H ustar -c factoryfs.rfs recovery.bin zImage > package_name.tar | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | md5sum -t package_name.tar >> package_name.tar | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | mv package_name.tar package_name.tar.md5 | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | so untar what i had, and re-tar it | 18:53 |
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| nuovodna | hi, where can i find a guide to install Mer on Asus TF101 ? | 19:23 |
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| Tofe | Hello ! | 19:31 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 19:34 |
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| tripzero | i want mer on my tablet!!!! | 19:46 |
| tripzero | lol | 19:46 |
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| djszapi | Hey! Has anybody tested Mer on toughbooks ? | 19:50 |
| nuovodna | tripzero: order a vivaldi tablet! | 19:50 |
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| tripzero | nuovodna, did | 19:51 |
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| tripzero | nuovodna, well, kinda | 19:52 |
| tripzero | i have a 7" ztpad | 19:52 |
| tripzero | 1gig version that mer doesn't run on yet | 19:52 |
| nuovodna | vivaldi is with 1gb di ram too | 19:53 |
| tripzero | i guess the vivaldi is either based on this or something similar | 19:53 |
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| vgrade | tripzero, I should have a 1GB soonish | 19:54 |
| harbaum | tripzero: i'd expect the vivaldi to be exaclty the c71+. i doubt they'll redo the hardware for this project | 19:55 |
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| harbaum | the most important thing: vgrade needs to receive a device :-) | 19:58 |
| tripzero | vgrade, got one on the way? | 19:58 |
| harbaum | he just told you ... | 19:58 |
| tripzero | dunno what "soonish" means | 19:59 |
| vgrade | should have been this week | 19:59 |
| tripzero | could mean someone is collecting pennies at the corner store to save up to buy vgrade one someday | 19:59 |
| tripzero | ahk | 20:00 |
| vgrade | also maybe news on kernel | 20:00 |
| tripzero | ooo | 20:01 |
| * tripzero dances | 20:01 | |
| vgrade | tripzero, I've been disapointed before so fingers crossed | 20:02 |
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| tripzero | mmk | 20:02 |
| * tripzero lowers expectations | 20:02 | |
| vgrade | tripzero, you see my 1.2 IVI UX | 20:02 |
| tripzero | not yet | 20:03 |
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| vgrade | http://t.co/5PW40CkE, on top of Mer this time, Exo and Panda | 20:04 |
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| tripzero | nice! | 20:04 |
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| vgrade | tripzero, I always liked the tablet ux | 20:04 |
| tripzero | me too | 20:05 |
| vgrade | what was the reason it was discontinued as the IVI ref UX? | 20:05 |
| tripzero | well, right now, the IVI ux in tizen is based on it | 20:05 |
| tripzero | just simplified | 20:05 |
| vgrade | ah ok, with much fewer deps | 20:06 |
| tripzero | yeh | 20:06 |
| vgrade | It took a while to tease out the deps to build for Mer | 20:06 |
| tripzero | i imagine | 20:06 |
| tripzero | the newer ux-ivi depends on just mlite i think | 20:07 |
| tripzero | doesn't use meego-ux-components | 20:07 |
| tripzero | and everything that brings in | 20:07 |
| harbaum | vgrade: Do you know the Intel automotive uys from karlsruhe germany? | 20:07 |
| tripzero | vgrade, I've got a beaglebone + lcd expansion on the way. | 20:08 |
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| vgrade | tripzero, there are not that may deps for the basic ux its the apps which bring in the deps, the green packages here are enough for that photo, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Avgrade%3Aivi | 20:11 |
| tripzero | ahh, yeh | 20:11 |
| tripzero | the tizen ivi demo we put out only has a handful of apps | 20:12 |
| tripzero | hfdialer, navit, and some simple demos | 20:12 |
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| vgrade | tripzero, yea I know its running great on Mer | 20:13 |
| tripzero | :) | 20:14 |
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| vgrade | tripzero, i still prefer the tablet ux though. I may keep on chipping away at the red packages | 20:29 |
| tripzero | :) | 20:30 |
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| hrw | hi | 23:26 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: how goes tizen/sdp hacking? | 23:27 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt_away: https://developer.tizen.org/download/samsung_sdk_license.html | 23:49 |
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