| * nightwalk yearns for real linux for this gtab | 00:13 | |
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| nightwalk | Ah, well...maybe in a year or two when ubuntu releases 14 :) | 00:14 |
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| Stskeeps | `hehe | 00:14 |
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| nightwalk | As far as I can tell, the actual 'mobile' efforts have transitioned and rolled over four times already (meego->tizen->mer, couple others sprinkled in iirc), and without releasing anything remotely useful | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but a lot of open code, and actually meego has deployments around the place | 00:19 |
| nightwalk | I used meego in a (x86) vm, and even built a few things for it | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | and yeah.. i felt there was a need to just go for 'core' and make a solid basis for everybody else to use | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | as that's what people seem to screw every single time | 00:20 |
| nightwalk | The fact that no single effort has released anything useful before rolling into something else is kind of a put-off, though | 00:20 |
| * CosmoHill goes to bed | 00:20 | |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: bank hoilday tomorrow? | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | not here | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | I was wondering why you were up to late | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 00:20 |
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| * nightwalk couldn't care less as long as the stock market is open :) | 00:21 | |
| Stskeeps | nightwalk: just checking, i don't know you from unrealircd do i | 00:21 |
| nightwalk | Stskeeps: actually, you do. I'm your hallucination after all :P | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, so you're larne? :P | 00:22 |
| nightwalk | Only if you hallucinate us in the same way ;) | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:24 |
| nightwalk | Anyway...kinda hoping mer actually goes somewhere. It's sad to think that the fate of my gtab might lie in the hands of android or ubuntu. The former is highly unstable, and the latter uses the most god-awful package management system I've ever had the misfortune of having to make packages for | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i think it already is | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | but aftermarket adaptation is a ghuge problem | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | better to buy something like vivaldi | 00:26 |
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| nightwalk | vivaldi? | 00:26 |
| nightwalk | ah...it's a tablet. gotcha | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | running mer | 00:27 |
| nightwalk | Not really in the market for another tablet atm. I got a gtab way back when mainly because it's so unlocked | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 00:28 |
| * nightwalk hates it when companies try to dictate what you can and can't use hardware you've bought-and-paid-for for | 00:28 | |
| Stskeeps | sometimes even the openest hw can have difficulties to adapt for later | 00:29 |
| nightwalk | Main difficulty in this case is nvidia. They aren't playing as nicely in the tablet arena as they do with linux and BSD users on the desktop | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | well, they are sometimes | 00:30 |
| nightwalk | Anything other than the stock kernel, and you lose hardware accelerated graphics (which are kinda important) | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | this is the same on all other ARM really | 00:30 |
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| nightwalk | Due to the god-awful android nonsense, there's not even really a way to poke around in the system and hack things together either | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 00:31 |
| nightwalk | I mean, really...tablets are basically computers, for cryin' out loud. There's no reason not to have a full unix cli environment | 00:32 |
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| Stskeeps | at times it can be really difficult to maintain though and keep going | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | the gnu/linux utilities are a mess of dependecies | 00:33 |
| nightwalk | Not the cli tools | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | mer won't have the kitchen sink of software though, in standard deliverables | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | difficult to QA | 00:33 |
| nightwalk | Doesn't have to. Just has to have enough of the GNU userland for people to be able to hack together their own solutions for whatever device they're working with | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 00:35 |
| nightwalk | I've done it with a few different touchscreen kiosks already, and it's not that much work (provided there aren't any driver problems, of course) | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | we'll probably do a dual staack approach with mer.. standard busybox but interchangeable if you want the full set | 00:36 |
| nightwalk | even busybox is fine to bootstrap from | 00:36 |
| nightwalk | That's where google kinda screwed everything over in android -- there's no cli recovery mode to use to fix brokenness | 00:37 |
| nightwalk | "Oh? Apps force close? Can't start android? Wipe and reload" <---too much like windows, and even winmo isn't *that* bad, despite the craptastic nature of the desktop version :) | 00:38 |
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| Stskeeps | m00 lbt | 02:51 |
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| lbt | moo Stskeeps | 02:55 |
| lbt | we're just checking location ... market+8th | 02:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 02:56 |
| Stskeeps | we're in hacker lounge, sage came | 02:56 |
| lbt | will pop in b4 we go | 02:57 |
| phaeron | lucky guys | 02:57 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron up at 5am? :P | 02:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok, 6am finnish time.. | 02:58 |
| lbt | hey phaeron o/ | 02:59 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: couldn't get much sleep | 02:59 |
| phaeron | lbt: \o | 02:59 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: none actually | 02:59 |
| lbt | and now....o/ | 02:59 |
| phaeron | is systemctl a multicall binary ? i.e. can it be symlinked to /sbin/poweroff to ease the pain ? | 03:02 |
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| sonach | E-P: hi, Do you know how to log history of IRC? | 03:31 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: depends on the irc client | 03:32 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: http://docs.dal.net/docs/chatzillaen.html#2.13 for chatzilla | 03:32 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK, thank you! | 03:33 |
| ZiQiangHuan | m_delayingLoad = true; | 03:38 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: We have added some kernel CONFIG options when building kernel for Mer. Now linux kernel 3.3 have merged android's support. | 03:41 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: my question is: In kernel 3.3 and later, will Mer's needs conflict with Android' kernel requirements? | 03:42 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: I remember when builing kernel for Mer, we have got rid of some CONFIG options releated to Android, | 03:43 |
| iekku | huomenta | 03:52 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: it's only when you enable some android specific features, as such it doesn't conflict | 04:10 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: OK, thank you:) | 04:21 |
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| Ronksu | Stskeeps: how is SFO this year? | 04:44 |
| Stskeeps | Ronksu: warm and nice | 04:45 |
| Ronksu | good to hear. Busy at the hacker lounge? | 04:45 |
| Stskeeps | not so much yet | 04:46 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: Hostarch re fremantle problems | 05:03 |
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| E-P | Morning | 05:14 |
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| timoph | morning | 05:54 |
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| timoph | E-P: you could add "Obsoletes: testrunner-lite-hwinfo-maemo" to the spec under hwinfo-dummy | 05:58 |
| E-P | timoph: sure | 05:59 |
| timoph | afaik shouldn't require removing the old package then | 05:59 |
| timoph | manually that is | 06:00 |
| E-P | I updated the spec to OBS | 06:03 |
| timoph | ok. I'll try it with the sdk in a bit | 06:04 |
| timoph | heh. ubuntu update notifier crashed | 06:07 |
| E-P | timoph: I think we have to add the hwinfo-meego to obsolete too, because if you install tr-lite, the zypper suggest to install hwinfo-meego | 06:08 |
| timoph | true | 06:08 |
| timoph | imo the meego one should be removed since it's practically the same as -dummy | 06:08 |
| timoph | although dunno if someone depends on it | 06:09 |
| E-P | our tools shouldn't | 06:10 |
| timoph | yep | 06:10 |
| E-P | weird that the zypper tries to take the "older" version of the hwinfo, eg hwinfo-meego | 06:10 |
| E-P | anyway the hwinfo-meego and hwinfo-maemo will be removed when the package is in the obs | 06:11 |
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| timoph | yep | 06:16 |
| E-P | and that spec is anyway mer specific, so we can do that | 06:16 |
| timoph | we should do some documetation on how to add your own hwinfo to a hw adaption | 06:16 |
| timoph | I'm not very familiar with it but can take a look | 06:17 |
| timoph | (and boter sampos & co.) | 06:17 |
| E-P | at the moment the hwinfo is in the tr-lite src, which isn't the best location for that | 06:18 |
| timoph | s/boter/bother/ | 06:18 |
| timoph | true | 06:18 |
| E-P | hmm.. | 06:18 |
| timoph | maybe do the split already in upstream | 06:19 |
| E-P | it might not need the actual tr-lite headers | 06:19 |
| timoph | hmmh. let's ask the expert :) | 06:20 |
| timoph | sampos: ^ | 06:20 |
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| E-P | it looks like that you can just create own .so library that provides 3 functions | 06:22 |
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| sampos | E-P: yes, that should do it | 06:32 |
| E-P | sampos: good, the "default" hwinfo had includes to some tr-lite headers but it doesn't use them | 06:33 |
| sampos | don't have any excuse for that :) | 06:35 |
| timoph | x) | 06:35 |
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| E-P | hmm.. the zypper still tries to install hwinfo-meego, even if I added that to obsoletes | 06:36 |
| timoph | repo priorities or something? | 06:36 |
| E-P | no idea | 06:38 |
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| timoph | hmmh | 06:59 |
| timoph | E-P: I wonder if it needs Provides: testrunner-lite-hwinfo | 07:00 |
| * timoph ponders | 07:03 | |
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| timoph | what if we make test-definition to be a template? and have a simple config file that it's build against | 07:04 |
| timoph | thinking about using something like http://www.makotemplates.org/ | 07:04 |
| timoph | should make configuring it pretty simple | 07:04 |
| timoph | that would of course add python to build deps but I don't see that causing that much harm | 07:05 |
| timoph | feel free to shoot the idea down :) | 07:06 |
| dcthang | who are best at Mer platform here? | 07:12 |
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| timoph | I'd guess the most involved people are asleep at SF :) | 07:16 |
| dcthang | ok, since Mer SDK guide to build under i486 arch. Any hint to build one app under arm7? | 07:18 |
| timoph | building the SDK as arm7? | 07:19 |
| timoph | sorry missread | 07:19 |
| timoph | it has cross compilers under /cross | 07:20 |
| timoph | /opt/cross | 07:20 |
| E-P | timoph: well, test-definition should be quite static because of the OTS and qa-reports, some values can be changed but not the structure | 07:20 |
| timoph | E-P: just thinking about how to enable changing the urls, etc. | 07:21 |
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| timoph | with minimal effort from the user | 07:21 |
| E-P | timoph: for that it would be nice | 07:21 |
| timoph | dcthang: so you need the target rootfs (for example nemo n950 rootfs) and setup sb2 to use the cross compiler with it | 07:22 |
| E-P | dcthang: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 <-- for armv7hl | 07:23 |
| E-P | with some changes you can use it for other architectures too | 07:24 |
| timoph | yep. the idea is the same for all archs | 07:24 |
| dcthang | ok timoph. I will try it now | 07:25 |
| E-P | timoph: the provides option in the tr-lite spec, that is needed because the tr-lite is depending on it | 07:25 |
| timoph | although build applications is easier with obs | 07:25 |
| timoph | E-P: oh. it had it already :) | 07:26 |
| * timoph needs to wake up | 07:26 | |
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| mdfe_ | good morning all | 08:26 |
| E-P | good morning mdfe_ | 08:26 |
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| khzi | @ X-Fade: Hi Niels, could you please get me a build account on build.pub.meego.com, please? My user name is khzimmer, I am Senior Developer at basysKom, Germany. | 08:37 |
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| mdfe_ | lbt_away: are you around? | 08:42 |
| E-P | mdfe_: he is in San Francisco, Tizen conference | 08:43 |
| mdfe_ | ah | 08:44 |
| mdfe_ | thx E-P | 08:44 |
| mdfe_ | is anyone around who can add khzimmer to the build users? | 08:44 |
| E-P | khzi: he might also be in Tizen conference, hopefully answering to you later | 08:44 |
| X-Fade | mdfe_: Enable his account? | 08:45 |
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| X-Fade | khzi: Account is enabled. | 08:46 |
| khzi | BTW, my task is to push Peregrine for Mer, that's why I am asking for the account. | 08:46 |
| khzi | Thanks for this instant handling, guys! :-) | 08:47 |
| X-Fade | hehe, np :) | 08:47 |
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| mdfe_ | X-Fade: great thanks :) | 08:51 |
| X-Fade | Some people to to SF to have fun, some stay behind to do some work :) | 08:52 |
| X-Fade | *go | 08:52 |
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| timoph | X-Fade: :p | 08:54 |
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| iekku | hey, i forgot to send invitation to the mer bug triage, but i think we should skip it this week anyways | 09:57 |
| iekku | because of SF and timezone there | 09:58 |
| X-Fade | Hmmm pie... | 09:59 |
| E-P | iekku: +1 | 10:04 |
| iekku | :) | 10:04 |
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| Stskeeps | p | 13:28 |
| X-Fade | Morning :) | 13:29 |
| cxl000 | morning | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | zzz | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 13:44 |
| alh | Howdy | 13:44 |
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| Stskeeps | a wild w00t appears | 13:57 |
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| Sage | morning | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | morn sage | 14:11 |
| Sage | or well have been up about 2 hours already :P | 14:11 |
| Sage | tried to sleep longer but well just couldn't | 14:11 |
| Sage | is the wifi very slow today or is it just me :) | 14:12 |
| * Stskeeps hides his 'mic' run.. | 14:12 | |
| X-Fade | Fwiw, the boss instance a cobs died due to out of disk.. And I can't seem to get it back into working order atm. | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | *at | 14:21 |
| w00t | Sage: lo | 14:21 |
| w00t | it's very slow all the time :) | 14:22 |
| * w00t is on the tizen wifi downstairs now | 14:22 | |
| w00t | much better | 14:22 |
| w00t | 64 bytes from 74.125.224.110: icmp_seq=0 ttl=54 time=6.566 ms | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: hmm, not good | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I've already sent a mail to lbt, let's see when he wakes up. | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't be too long now | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it maybe a phaeron area too? | 14:26 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: He doesn't have an internet connection atm :) | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | hmm :P | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | Already pinged him too, so that is how I know :) | 14:28 |
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| timoph | leinir: is https://qt.gitorious.org/+obs-creator/qt-creator/buildserviceplugin still alive? | 15:25 |
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| Stskeeps | o/ jukkaeklund | 15:37 |
| w00t | \o jukkaeklund | 15:38 |
| CosmoHill | \o/ jukkaeklund | 15:40 |
| timoph | _o/ jukkaeklund | 15:40 |
| w00t | o \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \ o / o | 15:42 |
| w00t | \ / \ | \ /) | ( \ /o\ / ) | (\ / | / \ / \ | 15:42 |
| w00t | / \ / \ | \ /) | ( \ /o\ / ) | (\ / | / \ / \ | 15:43 |
| w00t | jukkaeklund | 15:43 |
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| Stskeeps | is that the YMCA? | 15:43 |
| timoph | ( •_•) | 15:43 |
| timoph | ( •_•)>⌐■-■ | 15:43 |
| timoph | (⌐■_■) | 15:43 |
| timoph | jukkaeklund | 15:43 |
| timoph | YEAAAAAH | 15:43 |
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| timoph | how's SF? | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's good, found nice bagle shop | 15:44 |
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| w00t | that was pretty awesome food | 15:45 |
| timoph | that qtcreator obs plugin I pinged leinir about would be nice to have for Mer/Nemo/etc as well | 15:45 |
| timoph | we talked about it with X-Fade a moment ago in the maemo obs meeting | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:50 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: going to fwd Mer BoF acceptance to mailing list btw? | 16:20 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: thanks for reminding | 17:09 |
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| Stskeeps | m00 sledges | 17:21 |
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| CosmoHill | !seen daniel_o | 17:28 |
| MerBot | CosmoHill: I have not seen daniel_o. | 17:28 |
| CosmoHill | aww | 17:28 |
| vgrade | sledges, http://t.co/5PW40CkE | 17:39 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I'll try to get out of work and get up there ASAP tonight. Hopefully I can catch Imad's talk. | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | be aware, there's a rumour going around that it has been replaced with a Jim Zemlin talk | 17:46 |
| timoph | x) | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | if that happens, i will certainly make good use of the alcohol supplies in hacker lounge | 17:48 |
| timoph | in that case I won't have any more second thoughts about not going | 17:49 |
| timoph | anyone talked about streaming there? there's no mention about streams in the website | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | yes, there will be some | 17:50 |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, streams for community people when there's community members talking? | 17:56 |
| iekku | easy at that conference | 17:56 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | jeremiah, you in SF? I'd love to have a catch-up with you, if only because I now have credentials for genivi and see your name everywhere. | 18:03 |
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| leinir | timoph: it's not really alive, no - but it should still work if you're interested :) | 18:58 |
| timoph | thanks | 19:04 |
| timoph | need to that at some point | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ping | 20:33 |
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