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| alterego | Stskeeps: how's it going? | 00:29 |
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| Stskeeps | random parts of my body falling sleep :P | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | asleep | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | started at 4am this morning in warsaw | 00:29 |
| alterego | Eesh | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | soon going out for dinner with peeps who are here | 00:30 |
| alterego | I've started working on removing libmeegotouch from mcompositor btw | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 00:31 |
| alterego | It's shockingly well put together ;) | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a little too tired to commit to it more than the evaluation though at this moment | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | but if you see it as a good idea.. | 00:31 |
| alterego | So the work to implement declarative based compositor, and then hopefully a HTML5 based compositor is relatively straight forward. | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 00:31 |
| alterego | That's okay. | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | the decorator being the key problem | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | as it makes a dep on entire compositor for MTF | 00:32 |
| alterego | I'm kinda bored at the moment anyway and fancied the challange. | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | which is kinda irritating considering mcompoisotr isnt half bad | 00:33 |
| alterego | Already built libdecorator, attempting to build libmcompositor, then it's just mdecorator and mcompositor which will be replaced with declarative-decorator and declarative-compositor. | 00:33 |
| alterego | Yeah, the code is really nice. | 00:33 |
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| alterego | It's almost like it was designed with the idea of replacing those parts with plain qt or qml based components .. | 00:34 |
| alterego | libmcompositor has compiled successfully. So now all I need to do is make the qml counterparts of the decorator and the compositor :) | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | heh, well, maybe plain qt | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | qml hwever.. well, that was an interesting turf war | 00:35 |
| alterego | Thinking I might do a w00t and fork with a funky non-sensical name. | 00:36 |
| alterego | Like .. "Eyeliner" | 00:37 |
| alterego | Though, that's actually a pretty good name .. | 00:37 |
| * Stskeeps heads on downstairs for good measur | 00:40 | |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 00:40 |
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| alterego | Well, that's all that stuff built. Now I just need to implement the QML decorator. Which'll be fun .. | 01:01 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: 9am in lobby for breakfast? | 05:52 |
| timoph | morning | 05:59 |
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| iekku | huomenta | 06:50 |
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| dm8tbr | 'menta | 07:21 |
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| E-P | morning | 07:30 |
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| E-P | timoph: fixed the hwinfo, fixed tr-lite in my home OBS | 07:52 |
| E-P | timoph: before using that, remove old hwinfo | 07:53 |
| timoph | ok | 07:53 |
| timoph | will try a bit later | 07:53 |
| E-P | ok | 07:54 |
| * timoph is busy killing zombies atm ;) | 07:54 | |
| E-P | kill 'em all! | 07:54 |
| CosmoHill | E-P: that's Plan B (for it is always Plan B) | 07:55 |
| E-P | :) | 07:55 |
| CosmoHill | oh wait, zombies, I thought you meant people - this is what happens when I read from the bottom of the screen up | 07:56 |
| CosmoHill | timoph: what kind of zombies? | 07:58 |
| E-P | are there different kind of zombies? | 07:58 |
| iekku | E-P, yes | 07:58 |
| iekku | E-P, there's one who just kills humans, then the ones who wants your brain (i'm safe), then the ones who eat the whole body | 08:02 |
| iekku | i hope timoph didn't speak same zombies what have been killed here... the music is so annoying in that game | 08:03 |
| CosmoHill | I was thinking: linux programs, slow walkers, big boys and sprinters | 08:04 |
| E-P | iekku: nice, always learning something new | 08:04 |
| iekku | CosmoHill, :D | 08:04 |
| CosmoHill | I'm pretty sure zombies never ran before 28 days later | 08:04 |
| iekku | CosmoHill, i think you are right | 08:05 |
| CosmoHill | on the plus side, the remaining population are all healthier | 08:05 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST2H8FWDvEA | 08:06 |
| CosmoHill | imagine doing a 4 min programming challenge with that music playing :o | 08:07 |
| iekku | :) | 08:08 |
| iekku | i think i should see those again | 08:08 |
| * iekku likes zombi movies | 08:08 | |
| CosmoHill | I have 28 days later and I don't like scary films | 08:09 |
| CosmoHill | but my friend likes them even less so I'm brave for him when we watch them | 08:09 |
| iekku | zombi movies rarely scares me | 08:09 |
| CosmoHill | heck, that car scared me in 28 days later | 08:09 |
| iekku | i was scared when watching the others | 08:10 |
| iekku | CosmoHill, btw, i find the sound track relaxing :) | 08:12 |
| CosmoHill | I wanna watch District 9 or 13 | 08:12 |
| CosmoHill | both are great films but very different and I can't quiet remember which was is which | 08:12 |
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| CosmoHill | wow, I've spent the last hour watching songs on youtube | 09:01 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, that darn youtube can suck you in. It's mind washing I tells ya | 09:06 |
| Termana | brain* | 09:06 |
| CosmoHill | my mind's pretty dirty so could do with a wash | 09:07 |
| CosmoHill | was meant to be reading my book | 09:07 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, if only you had stumbled across "Boyfriend - Justin Bieber" you may not have been caught in it for an hour. | 09:08 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, what book are you reading? | 09:09 |
| CosmoHill | Foundation and Empire by Isaac Asimov | 09:09 |
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| Tofe | Hello ! | 09:21 |
| Tofe | I wondered: is there a Mer build for Tegra2/ARM that would be based on kernel 3.0 ? | 09:25 |
| Tofe | I saw that the N9 build is still based on 2.6, and that the i586-vm one is 3.0 based. So I guess the switch is already managed, or at least not very hard to do | 09:25 |
| smoku | Tofe: kernel is not a part of Mer. it belongs to HA. HAs are free to choose whatever kernel version they wish. | 09:27 |
| Tofe | "HA" ? | 09:27 |
| smoku | Hardware Adaptation | 09:28 |
| smoku | a running system consists of: HA (hardware dependend) + Mer Core + UX (user experience) | 09:29 |
| Tofe | Ok, I see. That's good :) The reason is, I'd like to try to build up a plasma active (or nemo mobile, I don't know yet) image for my tegra2 tablet, using the newest Linux4Tegra kernel available. | 09:29 |
| smoku | Mer delivers only the middle of the sandwitch | 09:29 |
| Tofe | yes, I just didn't know about HA, the rest is ok | 09:29 |
| smoku | which tablet? | 09:30 |
| Tofe | Iconia Tab A500 | 09:30 |
| smoku | (as I'm in the process of doing the same for A100) | 09:30 |
| Tofe | I've already tried with the plasma active image from vgrade, it worked fine | 09:30 |
| smoku | look at XDA A500 section | 09:31 |
| smoku | they've been pretty successful at running Ubuntu on A500 | 09:31 |
| smoku | you should be able to reuse their work for HA | 09:31 |
| Tofe | yes, they've got ICS rooted with an unlocked bootloader, it's quite interesting | 09:31 |
| Tofe | that's how I did boot Mer as a recovery, keeping Android installed | 09:32 |
| smoku | same here. custom boot.img booting Mer of sdcard | 09:33 |
| Tofe | Booting Ubuntu is nice, but it not really tablet-friendly. So I'm more looking for a Maemo/Meego alike OS | 09:33 |
| smoku | you should be able to use their kernel + boot image as HA for Mer | 09:33 |
| smoku | just replace the user-space image | 09:34 |
| Tofe | Yes, I think so too. The big question being the hardware acceleration/support. | 09:34 |
| Tofe | My goal would be to have wifi and GLES working; GPS would be a plus, but it's not necessary for me. | 09:35 |
| smoku | this just got better. nvidia released new linux4tegra package last month - you have everything that is needed there. including opengl drivers | 09:35 |
| Tofe | Yes, it looks good :) | 09:35 |
| Tofe | However I'll have to check if the kernel proposed by the xda guys is the same as the one from nvidia, because it doesn't seem like we have the source of the nvidia drivers... | 09:36 |
| Tofe | but maybe it's not a problem, and only X matters here. | 09:36 |
| smoku | you need to use the acer kernel to have the hardware support | 09:37 |
| smoku | or port the board to nvidia's kernel | 09:37 |
| smoku | your choice ;-) | 09:37 |
| Tofe | also, fastboot is interesting: it looks like we can give arguments to the kernel we launch -- I'm thinking about root=xxx | 09:37 |
| smoku | yeah. I wish I coud have the unlocked bootloader on A100 | 09:38 |
| Tofe | They haven't found yet how to do it ? I would have thought it would be very close to A500 | 09:39 |
| Tofe | (although the procedure for A500 seems... well... user-unfriendly) | 09:40 |
| * CosmoHill is repairing a computer in the bath | 09:43 | |
| CosmoHill | the joys of watercooling | 09:43 |
| Tofe | smoku: By the way, how far are you in your A100 tests ? | 09:45 |
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| Tofe | Did you integrate the Linux4Tegra stuff ? | 09:47 |
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| Tofe | There is still a little piece I didn't catch: what is Mer:Core ? Is does look like it contains the kernel. Or does Mer:Core only have a sense is an "adaptation" ? So Mer:Core would be a part of Mer, but it is not implemented by the Mer team ? | 09:57 |
| Tofe | s/is/in/ | 09:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Tofe: Mer Core (not sure where you're seeing Mer:Core) is just a core, adaptations are external | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | lbt_away: OK | 10:07 |
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| Tofe | I'm seeing it on repo.pub.meego.com, the naming is quite confusing. But that's ok, I've understood :) | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb gives a better view | 10:21 |
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| Stskeeps | woo, Mer BoF and my talk was accepted at Devaamo summit | 10:23 |
| iekku | \o/ | 10:24 |
| iekku | and i can't be there on sat :x | 10:24 |
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| iekku | and sun is problematic also | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. so it goes :) | 10:24 |
| iekku | wife's favorite band playing in helsinki on sat... | 10:25 |
| iekku | but, now. something totally different! going to build a frameset for my herbs | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | seeya | 10:26 |
| alterego | Are you still awake Stskeeps ?! O_O | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: woke up after 6 hours of sleep, probably will nap some more before morning come | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | s | 10:29 |
| alterego | Cool | 10:30 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: how did the qml decorator stuff pan out? | 10:47 |
| alterego | All the other components are built now without any meegotouch deps. I was planning on starting to implement a basic qml decorator today. | 10:50 |
| alterego | But I did get the compositor running in Xephyr on my development laptop :) | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | probably easier on device, given actual working DRI | 10:50 |
| alterego | So my next steps are get basic QML decorator, then start with device hacking | 10:51 |
| alterego | What do you think of the name "Eyeliner" :) | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | sure, why not | 10:51 |
| alterego | Going with w00ts cosmetics convention ;) | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok, why does my mind crave beef at 4am in the morning | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | this can't possibly be healthy | 10:54 |
| alterego | But yeah, a complete decorator will be a bit of work. especially as complete as the meegotouch decorator. I need to get bits out of meegotouch for orientation handling, and otber device states too. | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | initially even a 'hey, frame this window' is ok, just to get rid of that bloody dep | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | as with swipeish gestures, you don't really need decoration | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | which makes me wonder how much perf it costs android to have soft buttons | 10:59 |
| alterego | Yeah, though having a decorator does mean we can implement some neat things | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:00 |
| alterego | And run non components based apps and have them show a task bar. | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | urgh, yeah.. the @%@% systemui | 11:01 |
| alterego | I also have some ideas for ux design with regards to window decorations. | 11:02 |
| CosmoHill | hey alterego | 11:02 |
| alterego | He CosmoHill | 11:02 |
| alterego | Hey ... | 11:02 |
| alterego | , | 11:02 |
| CosmoHill | I'm slowly rebuilding my watercooling system for my powermac | 11:04 |
| alterego | Heh, I should get something to eat, like breakfast or lunch .. | 11:04 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, (re: beef) maybe because it's afternoon back in Poland? :p | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: yeah.. but even 1pm is weird time for beef | 11:05 |
| alterego | Not on a Sunday! | 11:06 |
| alterego | That's Sunday roast time | 11:06 |
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| alterego | Though probably a British thing ;) | 11:06 |
| alterego | Mmmm, roast beef and yorkshire pudding... | 11:07 |
| alterego | Think I'll make sure my version of the compositor handles orientation properly. Harmattan is a bit glitchy when you use it in landscape mode... | 11:09 |
| alterego | Like the swiping out from one landscape app to another app in landscape causes far too many orientation changes .. | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i hate that part | 11:11 |
| alterego | Especially when it's the web browser and you also have to wait for the engine to redraw the page -_- | 11:13 |
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| * Stskeeps tries to catch more sleep, bbl | 11:31 | |
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| CosmoHill | my mac is annoying | 16:45 |
| CosmoHill | it was over heating and it's cost me £1.39 for new parts | 16:45 |
| CosmoHill | wtf apple | 16:45 |
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| dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken / lbt_away / Stskeeps - I guess I can buy a one way ticket at the SFO BART station with CC or do I need cash? (The BART page says there are machines that accept CC but I can't figure out if those also sell one way tickets. I only guess they do) | 17:22 |
| Alison_Chaiken | There are CC machines at BART, although it's complicated. | 17:22 |
| Alison_Chaiken | You can buy a ticket with credit card, but if you don't have enough credit left on the ticket when you go to exit the station, you're supposed to "Add Value" with cash. | 17:23 |
| Alison_Chaiken | No idea why that is! | 17:23 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | So use a CC to buy an exact fare from SFO to Embarcadero station. | 17:23 |
| Alison_Chaiken | You won't need to change: take any train. | 17:23 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Any train that doesn't go to Millbrae, that is! | 17:24 |
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| vgrade | Alison_Chaiken, \o | 17:40 |
| * CosmoHill wonders if he can get a monitor big enough to mount it as a window and pretend to wake up in other countries | 17:41 | |
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| dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: thanks, this actually makes this much more clear for me. I'd buy the ticket cash, but only have 4 local currency unitts left in my wallet. :) | 18:16 |
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| simon__ | hi folks:) | 20:07 |
| simon__ | I have troubles compiling kernel modules: "xen/xen.h no such file or directory" anyone here had the same problem? | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | kernel adaptation ? | 20:10 |
| simon__ | yep | 20:10 |
| simon__ | kernel-adaptation-pc | 20:10 |
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| simon__ | Stskeeps: should i leave it and try another kernel? | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | what module are you trying to se? | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | make | 20:15 |
| simon__ | it is my usb driver for a rotary controller, just a USB module. | 20:16 |
| simon__ | goes into usb/misc | 20:16 |
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| juliusaugustus | hello | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | hello juliusaugustus :) | 20:25 |
| simon__ | hello:) | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | simon__: might be a bug, file it in bugs.nemomobile.org | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: so what brings you here? :) | 20:26 |
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| juliusaugustus | so any progress on porting mer existing devices | 20:26 |
| juliusaugustus | ? | 20:26 |
| simon__ | stskeeps: will do; should it work against other kernels? | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: sure, wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | simon__: i think it's just a packaging error | 20:28 |
| juliusaugustus | ok cool | 20:28 |
| juliusaugustus | any progress on Qualcomm based devices | 20:29 |
| simon__ | stskeeps: ok, creating bug... | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: the problem is the graphics drivers | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: which doesn't really exist outside WebOS and Android | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | and not usable from there | 20:30 |
| vgrade | simon__ hi, seen http://t.co/5PW40CkE | 20:30 |
| juliusaugustus | well the HP Touchpad received a port of Tizen | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: really? URL? | 20:31 |
| Venemo | vgrade: meego ivi? is that thing stil developed? | 20:31 |
| juliusaugustus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyGMkSYAjJI | 20:31 |
| simon__ | vgrade: cool! | 20:31 |
| vgrade | Venemo, no, shame really | 20:31 |
| juliusaugustus | nexus one and HD2 also recieved a meego port | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: a, that's not tizen | 20:32 |
| juliusaugustus | well similar | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | very difficult | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | err | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | very different | 20:32 |
| Venemo | juliusaugustus: I'm not sure whether those ports even had hw acceleration working. | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | that too | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | i've done mer on touchpad with graphics acceleration but no multi-process gles | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | and i couldnt publkish it as it's 'taken' from webos | 20:33 |
| juliusaugustus | has there been any efforts towards making an open source adreno driver | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: i think rob clark has worked on it | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | but that stuff takes time | 20:33 |
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| simon__ | vgrade: i will prepare my demo shortly, unfortunately kernel modules won't build :( | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | simon__: is the kernel module part of the linux kernel usually, or external? | 20:34 |
| vgrade | simon__ for shuttleexpress | 20:34 |
| juliusaugustus | a lot of devices ship with qualcomm hardware it would be ideal to get mer running, primarily htc devices | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: sure, but remember that aftermarket hardware adaptation is really difficult | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: but yes, qualcomm would be a win for any non-android | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | without graphics acceleration things run fine, though | 20:35 |
| simon__ | stskeeps: external | 20:35 |
| juliusaugustus | well an open source adreno driver would benefit both Android and MER | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: the problem here is that companies want support for their graphics driver usage | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | ie, somewhere to file bugs and get it fixed | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | and that you need to have qualcomm doing instead | 20:36 |
| juliusaugustus | not produced by the company, community developed | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | also, there's the whole problem of patents.. | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | as you get patent permissions along with vendor gfx license usually | 20:37 |
| juliusaugustus | how was the open source mali 400 dirver prossible | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | it's not really.. | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | not complete in anyt way yet | 20:38 |
| juliusaugustus | how was it from a licesing perspective possible | 20:38 |
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| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: they're reverse engineering and releasing as open source.. it does not mean that you can as a vendor sell a device with this driver on, without paying license royality fees to the patent holders | 20:39 |
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| juliusaugustus | well couldn't that model be for open source adreno drivers. A purely no commercial no vender model. Mostly for enthusiasts. | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but what about open source hardware vendors? :) | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | they can't afford to be hit with lawsuits | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | think vivaldi for instance | 20:41 |
| juliusaugustus | then they got to distrubute the devices with closed drivers and allow users to replace them | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes.. and what did i just say about the drivers not existing? :) | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | so we're back at the problem | 20:42 |
| juliusaugustus | I guess drivers will always be a nightmare | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | either way, mer doesn't contain hardware adaptations, they're external to the project as to make it as possible to make mer as open as i can | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | er, we can | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | and let hw adaptations have their own choices and schedules | 20:43 |
| vgrade | juliusaugustus , I have struggled in this area since starting with MeeGo a couple of years ago. The best we can expect is the SoC vendors to keep current with kernel, xorg and toolchain versions and provide blobs | 20:45 |
| juliusaugustus | then how is mer in terms of feature completeness | 20:45 |
| vgrade | juliusaugustus, funnily enough the best I'm seeing at the moment is nVidia with Tegra 2/3 SoC's | 20:45 |
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| juliusaugustus | what about mali based devices like exynos | 20:46 |
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| juliusaugustus | have you guys considered implementing mono support | 20:47 |
| vgrade | juliusaugustus, the STE mail SoC is well represented. I've not seen any hardfp for exynos | 20:47 |
| vgrade | juliusaugustus, about features Mer is providing an up to date set of core pacakges, http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb | 20:49 |
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| vgrade | juliusaugustus, I've not seen mono support mentioned | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: no mono support, feel free to add it yourself in your device | 20:50 |
| juliusaugustus | well it could be useful for the core platform | 20:51 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: how's Mer on N9(x0)? | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: quite nice | 20:52 |
| Venemo | awesome? :) | 20:52 |
| Venemo | and have you guys managed to find a suitable driver for the ideapad's broadcom wifi? I've been kinda out of the loop for some time. | 20:53 |
| vgrade | juliusaugustus, mono is building for rpm on opensuse so possibly an easy port to Mer | 20:53 |
| juliusaugustus | cool. Mono could enable ease of development and inter-operability with other platforms | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: haven't really touched that | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: generally we try not to include everything into the core, but people are more than welcome to build their own stafcks | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | speaking of ideapad, the touchscreen on mine behaves really odd on recent distros | 20:54 |
| juliusaugustus | fair enough | 20:54 |
| Venemo | ali1234: what's odd? | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | anyone seen that? it moves the mouse pointer but does not register "clicks" | 20:55 |
| Venemo | hm. | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | except... sometimes it does | 20:55 |
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| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: mer is much about 'roll your own with ease' | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | eg in plasma active, i can click on some buttons but not others | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the fewest people would run mer in it's purest form | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | it's always consistent so it must be a high level thing with the OS not realising/treating it as a touchpad | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: perhaps mtev vs not | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | not? | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, if there wasnt a proper setup for it | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | and using evdev instead | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | it used to work though... | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | just ... stopped recently | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | it's ubuntu though so if nobody else saw it... they probably broke it with a distropatch | 20:57 |
| vgrade | ali1234, meego or mer plasma | 20:57 |
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| juliusaugustus | out of curiosity what is the difference between mer and meego | 20:58 |
| ali1234 | vgrade: not tried either of those, sorry :) | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | just wondered if this was a known widespread problem, ofr just something local to ubuntu... and everyone here has one so... | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: historically, we're derived from the meego 1.3 work, stripped down to be a core and taking out hw adaptation stuff and UIs | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: and a lot of stuff towards making it easier to productise | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Architecture | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | is work in progress | 21:00 |
| juliusaugustus | seems to rely on a fairly similar set of utilies | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | the difference is that meego is dead :) | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: check out https://archive.fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/mobile_beyond.html - 'attachments' for some of the reasoning | 21:02 |
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| juliusaugustus | there still seems to be some community activity behind meego | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | maybe the meego that is on n9, which is not real meego | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | harmatten people? or does that fall under maemo still? | 21:04 |
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| Stskeeps | n9 is harmattan which has stack wise nothing much to do with meego | 21:05 |
| vgrade | juliusaugustus, there is also Intel activity in IVI monthly releases | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | maemo mailing lists seem to have a lot more traffic than the meego ones these days | 21:05 |
| vgrade | juliusaugustus, but that will stop soon | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but that's because there's the equivalent of a civil war there.. | 21:05 |
| juliusaugustus | what about moblin | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | oh really? | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | moblin is long dead | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | tizen.org is intel's answer on things | 21:06 |
| dm8tbr | s/answer/today's answer/ | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | i kind of miss the maemo drama now everyone is doing their own thing | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: when do you arrive? | 21:07 |
| juliusaugustus | the goals should be to unite everyone efforts | 21:07 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: right now in an airport hotel in vantaa, in 6h HEL-FRA, then FRA-SFO. arrival monday 1220 local time | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | juliusaugustus: yeah.. frankly, that's why we do mer - we work together on the really dry stuff and allow people to be flexible on the areas thy're not | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: OK | 21:08 |
| dm8tbr | so with immigration and everything I should be there on time ;) | 21:08 |
| juliusaugustus | always loved maemo people there got into some extreme arguments ahh the good old days | 21:09 |
| juliusaugustus | maybe I will get one of those maemo devices does mer work at all on an N810? | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | yes, but you realise mer doesn't have a UI right? | 21:15 |
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| juliusaugustus | mer with a UI? | 21:19 |
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