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| IanWizard-Cloud | hey, I'm near there. | 00:23 |
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| IanWizard-Cloud | I'm opting not to go. | 00:24 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | I dont really care for Tizen, from what I've seen of it. And really from how tightlipped they're being... but IMO. | 00:24 |
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| wmarone | ha, hell | 03:57 |
| wmarone | the only Ubuntu releases that will boot, natively, on a Mac are the x86_64 versions | 03:57 |
| iekku | huomenta | 04:02 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone: ouch? | 04:08 |
| wmarone | annoying mostly, looking to see what option for getting the stupid tizen sdk going on it is most feasible | 04:08 |
| Stskeeps | virtual machine? | 04:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 04:08 |
| wmarone | 1.5GB of RAM makes for a very grumpy VM | 04:09 |
| wmarone | might have to though, just cause of the multitude of possible compatibility issues with an x86 chroot | 04:09 |
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| * Stskeeps tries to wake up | 04:26 | |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: hi, I want to do a test for QtWebkit in qml. Is 'import QtWebkit 1.0' correct for Mer? | 05:22 |
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| E-P | Morning all | 05:27 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: should be, yes - install libqtwebkit-qmlwebkitplugin and libqtwebkit4 | 05:50 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I have already installed this two and test HTML5 video successfully. Now I am wondering whether the version of 'QtWebkit' is '1.0' or other, | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: think you may possibly be able to do 1.1 as well | 05:53 |
| Stskeeps | it's just the API version, i think | 05:53 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK:) | 05:53 |
| * Stskeeps will be leaving for tizen conference tomorrow and back in europe on 11th | 05:54 | |
| Stskeeps | sonach: out of curiousity, what are the popular HTML5 APIs/runtimes in china? | 05:56 |
| timoph | have fun | 05:56 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: what is 'HTML5 APIs/runtimes'? | 05:56 |
| timoph | I really hope there could be some co-operation with tizen | 05:56 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: well, if there's any typical ways people distribute html applications | 05:56 |
| Stskeeps | for smart TV, cellphones, or other | 05:57 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Can you give me an example? | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: never mind :) i'm a little tired today and don't remember exactly what i was going to ask about :) | 05:58 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: NP:) | 05:59 |
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| * Stskeeps is going to nap for an hour or so, bbl | 06:13 | |
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| lbt_away | Stskeeps: I'll do another snap | 06:17 |
| Stskeeps | no :/ | 06:24 |
| Stskeeps | it hasn't finished up | 06:24 |
| Stskeeps | blocking on qtwebkit | 06:24 |
| lbt_away | you sure? | 06:26 |
| lbt_away | they look like DBC builds | 06:26 |
| lbt_away | Stskeeps: ^ | 06:27 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: zlib, nss, gstreamer, openssl and pcre would need kick at leats | 06:35 |
| Stskeeps | lbt_away: check armv6 | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok | 06:40 |
| lbt_away | Stskeeps: http://webui-ci.tspre.org/monitor/old | 06:42 |
| lbt_away | there is no armv6 ... which explains it | 06:43 |
| lbt_away | OK ... abandonded it | 06:43 |
| lbt_away | off to airport :/ | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | have a good flight | 06:43 |
| lbt_away | will do ... see you all soon | 06:44 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: How to change the UserAgent in QtWebkit? (similar to userAgentSwitcher of Chrome) | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: hmm, moment | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | http://qt-project.org/wiki/How_to_set_user_agent_in_Qt_application but this doesn't tell you how to do it with just qmlviewer, this is with a qml launcher of your own | 07:04 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK:) | 07:04 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: Is there any way to set userAgent in WebView of QML? | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: only good way is if you make your own 'qmlviewer', ie, qdeclarativeview and qapplication, in c++, and set the application there | 07:11 |
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| Stskeeps | hey goldy :) | 07:12 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK, | 07:12 |
| goldy | hi | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | goldy: welcome :) so what brings you here to #Mer ? | 07:13 |
| goldy | i am unable to use power button of my n900 tu turn it off | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | hold it down for 30+ seconds | 07:13 |
| byako | Stskeeps: what ? :D | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | byako: morn | 07:13 |
| byako | Stskeeps: morn, how about using temrinal or removing a battery ? | 07:14 |
| goldy | thanks | 07:15 |
| goldy | while using internet browser unable to dowload any mp3 file | 07:16 |
| goldy | i installed it on memory card | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | byako: we have a thing in DSME that listens to power button | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | and if it's down for more than 30+ sec, it forces off | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | and saves file system | 07:17 |
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| goldy | while using internet browser unable to dowload any mp3 file | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | goldy: yes, there's not any good download functionality | 07:20 |
| goldy | is there any one who can answers my probleb | 07:20 |
| goldy | ????? | 07:20 |
| goldy | ok | 07:20 |
| goldy | will it be resolved | 07:20 |
| goldy | soon | 07:21 |
| Stskeeps | goldy: well, when someone makes a patch | 07:21 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug in bugs.nemomobile.org | 07:21 |
| goldy | i uninstall the u boot but it still shows it on startup | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | you have to reflash kernel | 07:24 |
| goldy | how to do that | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | it should say on pages somewhere, along with a warning that 'don't install uboot if you don't know how to flash back' :) | 07:25 |
| goldy | i have to reflash the image ???? | 07:26 |
| timoph | no | 07:26 |
| timoph | just the kernel | 07:26 |
| goldy | ok i will try | 07:26 |
| goldy | thanks for help | 07:27 |
| timoph | can't remember the flasher options to do that off my head | 07:27 |
| timoph | but that should be documented somewhere | 07:27 |
| timoph | sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> --flash-only=kernel -f -R | 07:27 |
| timoph | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image_.28expert_topic.21.29 | 07:27 |
| goldy | okkkkkkkkkk | 07:28 |
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| timoph | oh. btw, got the mer+cordia image for n900 done | 07:29 |
| timoph | not much to look at currently :) | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 07:34 |
| timoph | need to hack with a bit to see why it only shows the task switcher button. it "works" but only shows a black screen | 07:36 |
| timoph | also the settings menubar can be accessed but doesn't work | 07:36 |
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| Stskeeps | morn mdfe_ :) | 07:37 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 07:37 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: could you take a look to https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=Project%3AKDE%3ATrunk%3ATesting ? | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: yes, we're aware that -next is 'blocked' | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | ignore it please :) | 07:39 |
| mdfe_ | all mer-next build states are looking strange | 07:39 |
| mdfe_ | ok | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | me and lbt managed to talk past eachother so he snapshotted while things were still building in mer obs | 07:39 |
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| byako | Stskeeps: tha't the dark side of keeping all things in one place :) | 08:02 |
| byako | Stskeeps: any ETA for unblocking ? | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | byako: we had hoped this morning but sometimes darwin's law kicks in | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | er.. | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | murphy's | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | byako: you can, potentially, in your <repository> line, have <repository block="never"> instead | 08:03 |
| byako | Stskeeps: will try, thanks | 08:03 |
| byako | Stskeeps: hmm, is it so, that block="never" also removes dependency tracking so all of packages are rebuild at once instead of queue or is it just because none of them are changed ? | 08:07 |
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| Stskeeps | no, it just won't wait for up path project to finish blocking | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | well | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | you might want block="local" instead | 08:08 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: btw, do you have anything against tmo having a section for Mer? | 08:10 |
| byako | Stskeeps: aha | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: i don't, but for various reasons i don't want mer tied too much into maemo.org.. | 08:11 |
| timoph | understandable | 08:11 |
| timoph | in any case it will be discussed there and imo having a single place would help to follow Mer related things there | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:12 |
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| Stskeeps | morn eocanha, slaine | 08:13 |
| eocanha | hi | 08:14 |
| slaine | morning folks | 08:15 |
| byako | Stskeeps: there seem to be just huge pile of info to be learned about project, for example, why binary package's %{version}-%{release} is different from spec's :\. I assume it's something related to the release and internal configuration of RPM packager, but still it's a bit distracting | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | byako: OK, so, OBS doesn't care about Release: tag in spec, instead, by default, it sets it to a <CI_CNT>.<B_CNT> | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | CI_CNT is amount of checkins done to the package | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | B_CNT is how many rebuilds of that B_CNT | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | err | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | of that CI_CNT | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | byako: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | unfold some of the concepts | 08:18 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: pushed rpmlint update to review | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:19 |
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| byako | Stskeeps: Okaay, interesting | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | byako: that's a dump of most of my obs knowledge from some months back | 08:45 |
| slaine | Sage, will that fix the problems with xcb_utils etc. ? | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: that was another issue | 08:50 |
| slaine | Ah | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | ooh | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | -now- i can order my r-pi | 08:50 |
| slaine | mine is on it's way | 08:50 |
| X-Fade | Mine is shipped already :) | 08:51 |
| slaine | can't wait | 08:51 |
| byako | rays of envy to everyone | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | or not | 08:51 |
| byako | where did you order Pie from ? Allied Electronics ? | 08:53 |
| byako | El14 & rs-online still not taking orders, only "soon available" | 08:53 |
| X-Fade | byako: farnell | 08:54 |
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| slaine | farnell for me too | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | Argh! Finally received my @Raspberry_Pi order invitation email from RS Online, but the activation code box is greyed out and disabled | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | ^ same proble | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | m | 08:56 |
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| byako | Huh ? Where are you from ? US ? Europ's Farnel shop doesn't have any price or Order possibility :\ | 08:57 |
| X-Fade | byako: Ordered on the first day. | 08:58 |
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| byako | X-Fade: ok, so it's really so that ordering currently one has a chance to get his pie aound autumn :) Allright then | 09:00 |
| X-Fade | byako: I think there are 300k preorders waiting before you :) | 09:00 |
| timoph | X-Fade: wow. you actually managed to get through. I gave up after 20 mins of trying to connect :) | 09:00 |
| X-Fade | timoph: Had no issues at al, just worked for me. | 09:01 |
| X-Fade | *all | 09:01 |
| timoph | done anything interesting with it? | 09:02 |
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| X-Fade | timoph: Just got ups tracking number :) | 09:03 |
| timoph | ah :) | 09:03 |
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| byako | Stskeeps: hurray :) hdmi doesn't go sleep anymore, no screen blanking | 09:06 |
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| Stskeeps | woo | 09:07 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: where is the source code of qmlviewer? in qt-everywhere-opensource-src? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yes | 09:15 |
| sonach | ok, | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | woo, raspberry pi ordered :) | 09:16 |
| * timoph is jealous | 09:16 | |
| E-P | Stskeeps: any estimations when they can deliver that? | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | claimed dispatch in 7 days | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | i was on waiting list at rs-online fwiw | 09:17 |
| E-P | ah, then | 09:18 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: But I can not find 'qmlviewer' in qt source code. Is it renamed? | 09:18 |
| E-P | sonach: if I remember correctly, it is under the tools/qml | 09:19 |
| E-P | (in Qt 4.x) | 09:21 |
| sonach | E-P: yes, tools/qml is the source code of qmlviewer! But I don't find Makefile there, So how to make it seperetely? | 09:22 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: https://gitorious.org/project-grande/html5-launcher/trees/master may be of use | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | that is used with 'qmake', which makes you a Makefile | 09:23 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Can I execute 'qmake' in Mer SDK's chroot? | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: think so | 09:24 |
| E-P | you can | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | there's also https://gitorious.org/project-grande/qml-launcher/trees/master | 09:25 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: E-P: thank you. I will try:) | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | mdfe_: 4.8.1 + calligra fix on the road to release :) | 09:34 |
| mdfe_ | yeeahhaa ;) | 09:35 |
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| sledges | QmlComponentExtrasGallery @imx53 overnight soak-test: 7K mem leaked (only) | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 09:50 |
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| alterego | Thinking of adding an rss feed aggregator to the mer wiki to build a mer based planet page. Thoughts? | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps | 10:16 |
| alterego | Just thinking we could do with a reflection of the current state of the community. | 10:18 |
| alterego | And give people a bit of a platform for being more aware of the community. | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | oh, bugzilla plugin would probably be a start | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | did we migrate the wiki yet? | 10:20 |
| alterego | Ah yes, I'll look in to the bugzilla plugin. I should catch up with lbt and do the migration. | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | also check bugzilla and close tasks assigned to you and done | 10:21 |
| alterego | :) | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | mer tshirt, check, tizen tshirt, check, maemo/mozilla tshirt, check | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | now noone can accuse me of not being diversified.. | 10:25 |
| E-P | heh | 10:26 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: where is your windows tshirt? :P | 10:26 |
| * jussi runs | 10:26 | |
| Stskeeps | jussi: i could wear a lumia .. | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:26 |
| jussi | *snigger* | 10:26 |
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| alterego | I was thinking of getting some mer t-shirts printed. | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | lbt still has a bunch in store | 10:28 |
| alterego | I've got a friend that can print them cheap cheap :) | 10:29 |
| alterego | Maybe I'll be a bit different and get a jumper :) | 10:29 |
| alterego | Or a Mer Jacket | 10:29 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: wear them all at once | 10:30 |
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| Stskeeps | w00t: i vote we make a game of wearing the most amount of dead mobile platform tshirts at once | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | of course this will be murder in 22 C.. | 10:31 |
| w00t | oh good god, is it that hot? | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | saturday: 22 C | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | monday: 25 C | 10:31 |
| w00t | aieee | 10:31 |
| w00t | 25 is my melting point | 10:31 |
| Termana | You wussy Europeans. Come down to 'stralia, we can give you a roaring hot time | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | w00t -is- australian | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:32 |
| w00t | i moved because i kept burning to death | 10:32 |
| Termana | Well... whatever... :p | 10:32 |
| w00t | (ok, slight exaggeration, but i really don't tolerate heat well) | 10:32 |
| alterego | heh | 10:35 |
| Termana | w00t, what would actually be nice is if it wasn't 30 C one day, 10 C the next. Now I know why they make those pants with the zip off bottom leg parts. | 10:36 |
| jonwil | The secret to not burning up in the Australian sun is to live in a house with air conditioning :) | 10:36 |
| Tm_T | jussi: you and your hilights (: | 10:37 |
| alterego | Heh | 10:40 |
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| jussi | Tm_T: *snigger* :P : P | 10:41 |
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| Tm_T | jussi: yup, my bad, but still noticed it's almost always you | 10:46 |
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| E-P | Stskeeps: AB meeting today? | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | oh, yes | 11:01 |
| * Stskeeps is a bit off his mind today :) | 11:01 | |
| Stskeeps | Advisory board meeting in #mer-meeting NOW | 11:01 |
| E-P | it's Friday, it is ok | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | i actually wonder if we have quorom | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: you representing in #mer-meeting ? | 11:03 |
| alterego | Sweet, my printer is "on track" to be shipped today! :D | 11:05 |
| alterego | Well, printer kit | 11:05 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: Yes I will do it | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: ah, we cancelled already | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | no worries, we were too few anyway | 11:20 |
| mdfe_ | sorry :( | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | postponed 14 days, which is OK too - i'm a little unhealthy today as well | 11:21 |
| mdfe_ | bless you | 11:21 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, oh, get well soon! | 11:21 |
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| byako | Stskeeps: do I get it right that you're an Xorg pro || heavily familiar and can be bugged with quest ? | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | byako: i wouldn't call myself a pro | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | i have more of a system wide view, not terribly deep at times | 11:52 |
| byako | Stskeeps: that's normal | 11:52 |
| byako | :) | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | ie, i can't recite the X11 protocol at heart | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:52 |
| byako | ok, so you might know what is responsible for cursor redrawind ? I have all screen in cursors because the screen is redrawn only when some app does thisi | 11:53 |
| byako | is there a chance to make X server constantly redraw screen on mouse movement or so | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | it depends, there is hardware cursor and software cursor | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | on a mobile device you really don't want to have a cursor at all, for FPS reasons | 11:54 |
| byako | Stskeeps: I don't have a choice, LCD is all I have. no touch-devices | 11:54 |
| byako | So I would rather see low fps rate on mouse movement | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure how mali and cursor would work together, sorry | 11:55 |
| byako | if I'll need more, I will just leave mouse in peace | 11:55 |
| byako | Stskeeps: that's second problem, just give me the vector to dig - so I need a hw cursor ? | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | possibly. or a software cursor. | 11:56 |
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| byako | Stskeeps: ok, thank you one more time | 11:56 |
| byako | there was one funny flash-card, something like one million thank you, I should send it to you some day | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | byako: if you don't mind me asking, are you doing this for work or fun? (it doesn't matter in practice to me, just curious - my rule is that if people, companies, etc ask in #mer, everybody learns from answers being given here) | 11:57 |
| byako | Stskeeps: 50\50, it's not related to work direcly anyhow, I just got a plenty of free time and I got this board. If I will manage to make something fine with it - ok, if no - ok, it's just a nice experience for me | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | alright :) | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | now, back to laying on the sofa and watching national geographic.. | 12:00 |
| byako | that's nice :) get well | 12:00 |
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| * Stskeeps submits qtdeclarative to mer | 13:03 | |
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| byako | does anyone has any problems with uxlaunch except me? or even this way: enyone uses mer without touch screen ? | 13:31 |
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| Stskeeps | byako: uxlaunch just starts Xorg as user and runs the x session as stated in /usr/share/xsessions/default.desktop , and then everything in /etc/xdg/autostart/ | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | if the default.desktop process dies, it takes xorg down and restarts | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | it might start the X with xopts=-nocursor, too | 13:34 |
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| byako | Stskeeps: yes, I know, but there's something in the way it starts.. I didn't took a look into the code yet, but I figured out that all mthemedeamons, meegotouchhomes etc. work just fine when X started manually | 13:40 |
| byako | Stskeeps: but when uxlaunch is triggered - not for long | 13:40 |
| byako | and if manually trying to tun it from root - should it stay alive like daemon ? | 13:40 |
| byako | I though it should | 13:41 |
| byako | but it just exits after trying to access backlight class in sysfs | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | byako: can you try to set user=root in /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch ? | 13:42 |
| byako | em, sure, and then look for what? it doesn't even leave a log file in /var/log/uxlaunch.log | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | $HOME/ should have one | 13:44 |
| byako | He-he, much much better, started everything from the first attempt. You know woo-doo ? | 13:46 |
| byako | Stskeeps: for some reason this helped | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | which, user=root? | 13:46 |
| byako | yes | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | okay, as a start.. rpm -qa | grep xorg-x11-server | 13:47 |
| byako | Stskeeps: and as a result I have lots of home dirs in/root | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | naturally | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | user=root isn't exactly a good thing :) | 13:47 |
| byako | Stskeeps: xorg-x11-server-1.10.1-1.35.Mer.armv7l | 13:48 |
| bigbluehat | Stskeeps: you've likely already seen this...but if not: http://www.osnews.com/story/25763/Google_unveils_Project_Glass | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: yeah, the reaction videos are hillarious | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: there's more to that output | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | errr | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | byako: | 13:48 |
| bigbluehat | reaction videos? | 13:48 |
| bigbluehat | I'll have to look for those :) | 13:48 |
| bigbluehat | seems the ideas time is nearly here in any case | 13:49 |
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| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIClyFCgzs | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: i don't presume you're in SF area are you? | 13:51 |
| bigbluehat | love it! | 13:52 |
| bigbluehat | no. why? | 13:52 |
| bigbluehat | you? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | tizen conference, flying there tomorrow and returning thursday | 13:52 |
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| bigbluehat | ah, nice! | 13:54 |
| bigbluehat | if you swing by the East Coast, on your way back, feel free to stop in and say "hey" :) | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, i will fly sfo-detroit-amsterdam-warsaw on way back | 13:55 |
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| byako | Stskeeps: you're in Warsaw ? | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | byako: yeah, been living here in .pl for 2.5 years | 13:55 |
| byako | originally from ? | 13:55 |
| bigbluehat | yeah, detroit's not quite the east coast. | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | byako: .dk | 13:56 |
| bigbluehat | but wave anyhow :) | 13:56 |
| byako | Stskeeps: we're almosted switched places, I'm from Ukraine, but live ~2 years in Fin | 13:56 |
| byako | quite near | 13:56 |
| byako | Stskeeps: so, back to business: user=nemo kills uxlaunch. and no logs anywhere | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | byako: right, so Xorg can't startup sanely likely | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | byako: rpm -qa | grep xorg-x11-server should give more than one line's output | 13:57 |
| byako | I got -common & -Xorg-setuid also | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | that part is fine then .. /usr/bin/Xorg is +s right? | 13:58 |
| byako | yes it is | 13:59 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 13:59 | |
| Stskeeps | well, my bet is on that hwmem thing we discovered | 13:59 |
| byako | uxlaunc starts from root user, right ? | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:00 |
| byako | with -v it shows some errors, i'll show you | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-android/+bug/880209 | 14:00 |
| byako | ugg... it should have been nemo, not mer | 14:01 |
| byako | user is wrong | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | what mode does /dev/hwmem have? | 14:01 |
| byako | I think it was 400 | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://review.android.git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=device/linaro/snowball.git;a=commitdiff;h=efa0e186cdd3bb34b436bd37e0dee5d9270ab0a1 , search for /dev/hwmem | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | looks like we need a udev rule | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | to set permissions right | 14:02 |
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| byako | Stskeeps: and still: http://pastebin.com/B2ACJHm7 | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 14:03 |
| byako | Stskeeps: hwmem: crw------- | 14:03 |
| byako | Stskeeps: what for? to start Xorg from user ? | 14:04 |
| byako | it's normally started from shell without any problems | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | well, perhaps we're dealing with two issues here | 14:04 |
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| byako | woah, 666 | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | one is that 1) the compositor will fail to startup due to broken EGL and hence halt uxlaunch | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | because of /dev/hwmem, /dev/mali etc having bad permissions | 14:05 |
| byako | Stskeeps: stop here | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | 2) that uxlaunch has some problem in it's startup phase | 14:05 |
| byako | 1) - why doesn't it fail when I start all from user in a shell ? | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | do you start mcompositor, too? | 14:05 |
| byako | yes | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | awkward | 14:06 |
| byako | I can paste log | 14:06 |
| byako | all those services in the background | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | well, anyway, get those permissions set on startup - i sadly have to prep for going to resturant with my wife | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | as i'm leaving in the early morning | 14:07 |
| byako | np :) have a nice weekend | 14:07 |
| byako | thanks once more | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | i'll be back in this timezone friday-saturday | 14:08 |
| byako | I hope i'll finish with this by that time | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | stuff works as root, so that's a good start | 14:08 |
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| Stskeeps | moo shmerl | 16:41 |
| shmerl | Hi! | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | how is it going? | 16:41 |
| shmerl | Good, thanks. Updating my Mer SDK :) | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, cool | 16:41 |
| shmerl | I had a brief question. Why in general 2.x kernel / glibc etc. are used, while the most up to date one is 3.x? | 16:42 |
| shmerl | I'm not so familiar with what common Hardware practices are, so I'm just curious :) | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, now, that's because embedded field and reference boards are typically quite far behind | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | we're standardizing on 2.6.32 as -userland- kernel interface, but people can use 3.x if they want | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | glibc is eglibc 2.15 now, so pretty up to date | 16:43 |
| shmerl | Yeah, that's what I thought. You mean most drivers are developed for older kernels? | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | well, more like that most boards have 'most functioning' at that kernel level | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | and our userland really doesn't need higher | 16:45 |
| shmerl | I see. | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | nothing stops anyone from rolling their own Mer with a more up to date kernel interface | 16:45 |
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| shmerl | But Wayland probably will need higher one in the future. | 16:45 |
| shmerl | Though I don't see any Wayland based devices so far coming soon. | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | wayland doesn't really need one, it's more on implementation basis | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | ie, in mesa | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | i know of GBM, KMS etc, but typically if the ioctl is possible to use, well, they'll use it in userland | 16:47 |
| shmerl | Didn't Tizen plan to use Wayland at some point? | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | and there's already wayland devices on the market, FWIWW | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | sure, and they do, for IVI | 16:47 |
| shmerl | Ah, good. But not for handsets? | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | there it's a little more complex.. | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.free.fr/adsl/freebox-revolution.html - uses wayland, for example | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | on intelCE | 16:48 |
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| shmerl | Interesting | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | http://qt-project.org/videos/watch/qt-and-qt-quick-on-the-freebox-player-set-top-box specifically | 16:48 |
| shmerl | Oh, by the way. Did Plasma Active folks voice any interest in joining efforts with Nemo for handset design? | 16:50 |
| shmerl | So far they were mostly focused on tablets. | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think it really came up, they've had their own work to be done | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | frankly, it's my belief, that given a frontend designer who knows qml and backend developer, you can do a full featurephone handset UI in 14 days | 16:50 |
| shmerl | Does anyone really work on design for Nemo (I mean like professional designers) or it's mostly just code improvements now? | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | we have had some, but right now we're focusing on core development | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | the project is entirely open for people to participate in, releases rolling | 16:51 |
| shmerl | I found someone who is interested in working for an open source project (a designer). Do you think I can connect them with Nemo team? | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | but we did take a bit of a cut when nokia financing went out | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | and maemo.org was too busy in civil wars to see in time that nemo was the right direction :P | 16:52 |
| shmerl | May be as volunteering so it can help. | 16:52 |
| shmerl | Yeah, IMO it's too cluttered as of now. | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | we could have done a lot more on hw adaptation side, than spend time on UI | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | which would have ensured the future for these devices | 16:52 |
| shmerl | Too many Harmattan discussions. | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | but so it goes.. at least out of meego we got mer | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | and surprisingily a lot of knowledge/know-how of how to make a phone | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | which wasn't available in the open before | 16:53 |
| shmerl | Interesting. | 16:53 |
| shmerl | Did you try to find hw partners for handset projects? | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | not personally, no | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a core/machine room guy | 16:54 |
| shmerl | Because I don't really understand why they wouldn't be interested. | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | did you ever see Lipstick and understand the power of that thing? | 16:54 |
| shmerl | On the other hand I have no idea how hw vendors operate :) | 16:54 |
| shmerl | No. | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | you've seen the N9, right | 16:55 |
| shmerl | Yes. | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | how much code and effort in man months do you think went into the homescreen alone (not compositor)? | 16:55 |
| shmerl | I'd give it a few months (rough draft) | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | just an estimate | 16:56 |
| shmerl | May be 2-3. | 16:56 |
| shmerl | With polishing - more. | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | now look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuS00aA8QyM and then at http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/qml/ | 16:56 |
| shmerl | But I don't count how long the ideas were brewing. | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | the bar has been lowered significantly in how much effort it actually takes to make a mobile UI | 16:57 |
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| shmerl | Heh, that's not a lot of code :) | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | Mer's just prepping for an entirely new class of devices :) | 16:59 |
| shmerl | The main thing there is not to write a code, but to polish the concept. | 16:59 |
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| Stskeeps | sure | 16:59 |
| shmerl | Hard to say how long Harmattan designers did that. | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | but code really bogs down things too :) | 16:59 |
| shmerl | Skillman is a great guy. | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | and democratising(sp) device making | 16:59 |
| shmerl | Sure | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | where i think mer will have most merit is in a world like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38 | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | which is why i think we still have some time to run on :) | 17:00 |
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| shmerl | Cool | 17:01 |
| shmerl | Though rather predictable. | 17:01 |
| shmerl | I think it'll move to something more interesting. Like in the Avatar virtual screens in the air :) | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyfPnxP_UCI is newer and better, though | 17:02 |
| shmerl | Google made some demo about glasses. | 17:03 |
| shmerl | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIzNmVMOYm0 | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIClyFCgzs too ;) | 17:05 |
| shmerl | Hehe, yeah. | 17:05 |
| shmerl | Adblock needed. | 17:06 |
| shmerl | So do you think Nemo will be interested in more designers? | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | i'd really like people to try out to do something entirely new, too, honestly | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | and play with what mer and qml and lipstick etc can do | 17:08 |
| shmerl | Sure. I don't mean you need to always stick to the same concept. | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | as such, the n9 stack is already 'behind', technology (MTF) invented in 2006-2007 | 17:09 |
| shmerl | But so far I didn't see any community driven handset effort besides Nemo. | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | no, 2009 | 17:09 |
| shmerl | I don't appreciate that Tizen has the same pitfalls as Meego had. | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Roadmap | 17:09 |
| shmerl | I.e. closed development, not transparency and etc. | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | i had enough, though i see collaboration opportunities between mer and tizen | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | going to tizen conference tomorrow | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | they sponsored a small bunch of us to go | 17:10 |
| shmerl | Nice. Hopefully the big benefit will be that they can push open devices to the market. | 17:10 |
| shmerl | And work with vendors to produce drivers. | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | it should almost be trivial to put tizen on top of mer, honestly | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | tizen ivi has so much in common with mer it's not funny | 17:11 |
| shmerl | Yeah, did you propose that? | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see | 17:11 |
| shmerl | Corp. ideas though don't like that. | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | i can understand their reasons though | 17:11 |
| shmerl | Since they aren't in control. | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | that's why i prefer SME's for Mer | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | each has a benefit and interest in contributing for a common good base | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | == less cost | 17:12 |
| shmerl | For example when Sun made OpenSolaris they never release the control. | 17:12 |
| shmerl | Until Oracle killed it, and community made illumos. | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | see my talk at https://archive.fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/391/79_beyond.pdf | 17:12 |
| shmerl | Ah. Did they make any videos of that? | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | sadly no, they screwed up something | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | and the slides are better tbh | 17:13 |
| shmerl | OK | 17:13 |
| shmerl | Nice, I'll repost the link to my Diaspora pod. | 17:14 |
| shmerl | Whom should the designers contact if they want to help Nemo? | 17:16 |
| shmerl | Or just to pop here on the IRC? | 17:16 |
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| vgrade2 | Stskeeps, any idea what updated component in Mer is causing this build failure? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=meego-ux-sharing&project=home%3Avgrade%3Aivi | 17:26 |
| vgrade2 | in the Meego buld log there are warning about .pc files not being found but only warnings. Mer build halts | 17:28 |
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| vgrade2 | ah, http://blog.rburchell.com/2011/01/qt-users-of-qmake-rejoice.html | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade2: figured it out? | 18:01 |
| vgrade2 | Stskeeps, yes the MeeGo package built due to qmake continiing , new qmake stops on that type of error | 18:09 |
| vgrade2 | woot blog was a direct hit for this one | 18:10 |
| vgrade2 | alhough I'm not rejoicing :) | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | ah, clever | 18:11 |
| vgrade2 | now to figure out how to workaround the new qmake | 18:13 |
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| vgrade2 | ivi-ux was going well up to that point , https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Avgrade%3Aivi | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | you're probably just missing a BuildRequires: pkgconfig() | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade2: if you get bored, it seems like 'gbs' tool can be used to nicely package up tizen sw | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | ie, for .spec | 18:18 |
| vgrade2 | I see pkgconfig in the build setup | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but for libsomethingsharing? | 18:18 |
| vgrade2 | ok, thanks | 18:19 |
| vgrade2 | will check out gbs if I get time | 18:20 |
| vgrade2 | I start onsite next Tuesday | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | oh, congrats | 18:21 |
| vgrade2 | I'll miss the comute from the bed to the office at home | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | frankly, working from home for longer periods of time makes you go crazy | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | just look at me ;) | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | evenin phaeron :) | 18:26 |
| phaeron | evining | 18:27 |
| phaeron | :D | 18:27 |
| * phaeron goes back to picking at OBS | 18:27 | |
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| shmerl | Did anyone try to use sb2 with Vivaldi image lately? | 18:28 |
| shmerl | I get an error when trying to update sdk tools. | 18:28 |
| shmerl | sb2 -m sdk-install -R zypper refresh | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | what error? | 18:29 |
| shmerl | sb2 -m sdk-install -R zypper refresh | 18:29 |
| shmerl | (ERROR) [sb2d][11531] Lua interpreter PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (...120504-182629.C11478/lua_scripts/init_modeconfig.lua:53: No exec policy selection table in /tmp/sb2-<user>-20120504-182629.C11478/share/scratchbox2/modes/sdk-install/config.lua)$ | 18:29 |
| shmerl | sb2d: Lua interpreter PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (...120504-182629.C11478/lua_scripts/init_modeconfig.lua:53: No exec policy selection table in /tmp/sb2-<user>-20120504-182629.C11478/share/scratchbox2/modes/sdk-install/config.lua) | 18:29 |
| shmerl | (Am I doing it right? That's the way to update it?) | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | well, not the right way to update the sdk | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | in general | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | for a given target, yesss.. | 18:30 |
| shmerl | I updated the root isntallation, yes. | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | can you file a bug about that and output of rpm -qa | grep scratchbox2 | 18:30 |
| shmerl | Just regular zypper ref etc. | 18:30 |
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| shmerl | Sure | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | and cc me carsten.munk@gmail.com on it | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | i think i know what the problem is | 18:31 |
| shmerl | It's scratchbox2-2.3.52-1.1.i486 | 18:31 |
| shmerl | I'll file a bug. | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | happen to know what sb2 version you had before? | 18:31 |
| shmerl | No, I didn't check :) | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:31 |
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| shmerl | Updated the wiki for target setup: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Vivaldi | 18:32 |
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| shmerl | Should I file it under SB2 and OBS integration section? | 18:40 |
| shmerl | It's in "Mer Crosshelpers" | 18:41 |
| shmerl | Oh, found it. | 18:41 |
| shmerl | Mer Integration Tools | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | we usually catch it in triage else | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | so grouping is less important to get right at first | 18:42 |
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| shmerl | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 18:46 |
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| shmerl | no problem | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | the cause is likely that our sdk modes haven't been upgraded to the new sb2 ruleset api | 18:48 |
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