Tuesday, 2012-05-01

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berndhsi have to make my irc app for android04:38
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Stskeepsoh, tizen 1.005:36
dm8tbrtagged or on site?05:42
Stskeepstizen.org05:42
dm8tbryup, just saw it05:42
Stskeepsno guides, anywhere, on how to make a image05:43
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Stskeepsmorn Alison_Chaiken05:49
dm8tbrStskeeps: making images is not for mere mortals. you have to be member of the inner circle for that...05:50
Stskeepsdm8tbr: i find it a bit sad, considering the code there might actually be functional and working05:51
dm8tbrStskeeps: well the student who did the snowball tizen thing managed. took him only 11 weeks to hack up sthg usable...05:51
Stskeepsdm8tbr: that is true05:52
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Stskeepsdm8tbr: i should have asked him what method he used, because he for sure didn't use the emulator image05:53
Alison_ChaikenHuomenta, Stskeeps.05:57
dm8tbrprobably package list (e.g. from the emulator) and then hand compile all of them05:58
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: Tizen has 1.0 out, in case you're interested to see what they've come up with :)05:58
Stskeepsand how is your hacking project going?05:58
Alison_ChaikenStskeeps, I am simply too busy to look at Tizen right now.05:59
Alison_ChaikenI started a new job at Mentor today working on IVI, and they have their own ideas about what I should be doing.06:00
dm8tbrStskeeps: btw: got me a later return flight :)06:00
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: congratulations :)06:00
Stskeepsdm8tbr: cool - i'm leaving on 10th early06:01
Alison_ChaikenNot sure congrats are in order, but I should be working some on IVI pulseaudio-ALSA stuff, which will be fun.06:01
Alison_ChaikenFor my personal project, I still would like to work on that mer tablet.06:01
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: sure, audio policy is an advanced but important area for IVI06:01
Alison_ChaikenBut first I promised to build some openice packages, as I'm kind the release manager, and new tagged commits are not packaged.06:02
dm8tbrStskeeps: 9th around 210006:03
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: will we be seeing you at the tizen conference, btw?06:03
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Alison_ChaikenI don't know, Stskeeps.    Unfortunately I now have a meeting scheduled in conflict with the IVI part on Wednesday morning.06:05
Alison_ChaikenI can only come on Monday or Tues AM.06:05
Stskeeps:nod: else many of us are probably idle sunday and going out for dinners saturday06:05
Stskeepsin the evening06:05
Alison_ChaikenAlas, Sunday I will bicycle-ride one of those crazy 160km events, so I must go to bed at sunset on Saturday.06:07
Stskeepsalright06:07
Alison_ChaikenSunday I will just go to bed early as well.06:07
Alison_ChaikenPerhaps Monday is the only day I will end up attending.06:07
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* Stskeeps ponders idly if he managed to kill his n95006:11
Stskeepsah, phew, nokia logo showing06:14
vgrademorn06:32
Stskeepsmorn vgrade06:37
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vgradeStskeeps, not much to go on in the Tizen rel06:43
Stskeepsvgrade: my honest technical opinion is that this release may fall completely flat on it's face :/06:44
Stskeepsas in, 1.0 handset06:45
Stskeepsand that's even without bias :)06:45
dm8tbr1.0 handset was the image that booted to an x-term?06:46
Stskeepsouch?06:47
Stskeeps:P06:47
Stskeepsand yes, the keep-back-MTF-from-public-view decision wasn't the most clever06:48
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Stskeepsmorn phaeron :)07:03
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Termanamorning07:07
rantomMorning07:07
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kyyberimorn07:26
phaeronStskeeps: morning :)07:30
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lbtmorning all08:11
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Stskeepsmorn lbt, slaine08:12
slainemorning folks08:12
slainelbt, By the way, not sure you noticed my comments yesterday, but the issues I was having with the bootstrap where not related to the obsname being $hostname, but rather the date between the obs fe/be and worker being out of sync.08:20
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slaineSame problem essentially, just a different vector for triggering it08:21
lbtslaine: makes sense08:22
slaineso added ntp to the services list08:23
lbtmmm08:23
lbtI guess :)08:23
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lbtslaine: the only worry I have is that we don't try and provide a complete sysadmin guide08:24
slaineof course08:25
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Stskeepsmake a faq, perhaps08:26
Stskeepseocanha: did your problem get solved?08:26
lbtah eocanha's back ... good08:26
eocanhano, we stopped while pasting the configure log to lbt08:26
eocanhaIt's here: http://pastebin.com/idiP5kh208:27
lbtline 39208:27
lbt--with-arch=i686 --build=i486-meego-linux08:27
eocanhaIt's cut (only the begining).08:27
eocanhaoh, I see08:28
Stskeepswith arch i686 looks very wrong08:29
eocanhahow can it be that way?08:29
Stskeepslbt. can you check mer ci build log?08:29
lbtok08:29
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Stskeepseocanha: pastebin gcc.spec too08:30
lbtmmmm ../configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --with-bugurl=http://bugzilla.meego.com/ --enable-bootstrap --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --enable-checking=release --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-gnu-unique-object --enable-lto --enable-linker-build-id --enable-languages=c,c++,objc,obj-c++ --disable-libgcj --with-tune=generic --with-arch=i686 --build=i486-08:31
lbtmeego-linux08:31
lbtrawlog?arch=i586&package=gcc&project=Core%3Ai486&repository=Core_i48608:31
lbtups08:31
Stskeepsthat's a bug for sure08:31
lbteocanha: told you it was a bug if it didn't work on i486 :)08:32
eocanhawell, the important thing is to detect it :)08:32
Stskeepseocanha: seems like it's our fault, can you file a bug with the data we just found on bugs.merproject.org and we'll get it fixed asap?08:32
lbtabsolutely08:32
Stskeepsso we can track the issue08:32
eocanhagcc.spec: http://pastebin.com/vaGGbryz08:35
eocanhaThe only things that change from the gcc found in Mer are the lines commented with08:35
eocanha # REMOVED ATOM OPTIMIZATIONS08:36
eocanhathat is, I removed gcc46-i386-libgomp.patch and gcc46-use-atom.patch08:36
eocanhabecause they seemed to "force" generation of sse and other extended instructions08:37
eocanha(didn't analyze it deeply, only "seemed" to me)08:37
* eocanha goes to fill the bug08:38
* Stskeeps brings up gitweb08:39
Stskeepsah, i see the issue08:39
Stskeepseocanha: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/gcc.git;a=blob;f=gcc.spec;h=da56786530df1364f64bc9ca18b95e39f8010979;hb=HEAD#l60908:40
Stskeepsthat should be %ifarch i58608:40
lbtwhat are the %{...} arch values we use in .spec?08:42
Stskeeps%{arm} %{ix86}08:42
Stskeepstypicaly08:43
Stskeepsthere are levels of insanity on top because of obs08:43
lbtand what does line 606 mean?08:43
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Stskeepsmeans tune for generic08:44
Stskeepsgcc46-use-atom.patch is the evil patch for atom08:45
eocanhaBug created: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32308:45
Stskeepsthanks08:45
eocanhathe libgomp patch also seemed suspicious to me08:45
eocanhaStskeeps: thanks for the git link, now I see the arch forcing problem08:47
Stskeepsfedora has one08:47
Stskeepser, has the same libgomp patch08:48
eocanhaI'm going to change it and launch a rebuild right now :)08:48
eocanhadoes Fedora still work on i486?08:48
eocanha(I don't think so)08:48
Stskeepspossibly08:50
lbteocanha: if you're doing the rebuild now do you have time to retain the patches and just try the arch mod?08:50
Stskeepseocanha: sent change for review in mer, did you have any software that could verify instructions not being legal?08:51
eocanhaOh, I also learnt another interesting lesson in the way: I was using "qemu -cpu 486" to test the results without having to test them in the real hardware, but seems that qemu cpu option only tells the software about the cpu specs. It doesn't detect illegal instructions. It just uses your host cpu.08:51
Stskeepsinteresting08:52
eocanhaI verify that with the script I pasted yesterday (which can fail due to guarded instructions, as you said)08:52
Stskeepsok08:52
lbtgoogle says : "Note that since the cmpxchgl instruction does not exist on i386 and earlier processors, using the i486-and-beyond implementation of qsc_cas() on such processors will cause an illegal instruction trap"08:52
Stskeepsi think we sanely can do i486 and up to be honest08:52
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Stskeepssimply because atomics performance on <i486 is crap on SMP08:53
Stskeeps:P08:53
lbtyep - my point is that the patch uses that instruction (and a couple of others) which I think are OK in 48608:53
lbtso the patch should be OK08:53
eocanha"do you have time to retain the patches and just try the arch mod" --> you mean to keep applying the patches I removed, right?08:53
eocanhayes, I can do that08:53
lbtyes08:53
lbtthen we narrrow down to a minimal change and test the 'preferred' solution first :)08:54
* lbt sees another snapshot coming soon08:55
Stskeepsuh-huh08:55
Stskeeps:P08:55
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* lbt needs coffee09:00
lbtStskeeps: I am testing obs 2.3 HEAD with mer_patches including phaeron's copyproj09:01
Stskeepsok09:01
Stskeepsthat's + sb2 or minus?09:01
lbt... and looking at the console it's stuck :(09:01
lbtshould be with sb209:01
Stskeepsok09:01
Stskeepsdefine stuc09:01
Stskeepsk09:01
lbt"Waiting for bs_srcserver on obsbe.dgreaves.com:525"09:02
Stskeeps:525?09:02
Stskeeps:P09:02
Stskeepsisn't it 525209:02
lbtmy mouse's middle button must be feeling lazy...09:04
lbtmmm looks like local kvm glitch ...09:04
lbtfor v in $(dmsetup  info -c | grep "L-sw" | cut -f1 -d" "); do dmsetup resume /dev/mapper/$v & done09:04
lbterr ... you didn't want to see that09:04
lbtthis is what comes of criticising your middle mouse button ... it plays tricks on you09:05
Stskeepshehe09:05
X-Fadelbt: Do you have your own version of openSUSE:Tools too?09:06
lbtX-Fade: well09:06
lbtit's "JEOBS"09:06
lbtjust enough to make OBS09:06
X-FadeI don't know what happened, but x86_64 is somehow gone from: http://widehat.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/openSUSE_11.4/09:07
lbthttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=Mer%3AOBS%3ATesting09:07
lbtmmm that looks broken09:07
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lbttell adrian?09:09
X-Fadelbt: Yeah, will do. Just wondered if that might have been intentional :)09:09
lbtI wonder if widehat is out-of-service?09:09
phakomer uses connman, right?09:10
lbtphako: yes09:10
phakois there some vbox image for mer?09:10
Stskeepsphako: there's the nemo images, which can be stripped down09:10
lbtbetter answer than : not yet09:10
phakoah, well, it's more about a working system that uses connman09:10
Stskeepsphako: mer uses connman but we don't force you to use it, for example, plasma active uses NetworkManager09:10
phakoStskeeps: well I try to combine the two tasks: "I need to have a look at something mer-based at some point" and "I need to check this connman code"09:12
phako;)09:12
Stskeepsphako: excellent ;)09:12
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* phaeron is trying to run kvm on this puny laptop09:17
slaineWhats the story with the RPMLINT stuff ?09:20
Stskeepsrpmlint?09:20
slaineMy xcb_utils package failed because rpm lint couldn't find a logging module09:21
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Stskeepsi think it's a sideeffect from python 2.7 merge09:21
Stskeepssometimes things don't show up in a build check09:21
Stskeepsi have same error, FWIW09:21
slaineOk, so it's not something I've done wrong in my setup then09:21
slainefor once ;)09:21
* Stskeeps watches his planned tasks for today vanish..09:22
Stskeepsslaine: remember that you're technically following our development tree when not checking out specific tags09:24
Stskeepsso, things may break09:24
slainenod09:24
Stskeepsif you git checkout 0.2012blahblah you get sources matching09:24
slaineWell, MerDS make update should only pull the releases right ?09:24
Stskeepson binary side :)09:25
Stskeepson source side it picks whatever is most recent09:25
Stskeepswe should probably fix that somehow09:25
Stskeepsfile a bug please09:25
lbtI have notes09:25
lbtbut really... coffee first09:26
slaineStskeeps: Hmmm, that is a problem alright09:26
Sage__Stskeeps: python 2.7 regressions btw09:31
Sage__if you haven't noted09:32
StskeepsSage__: yes, i've noticed09:32
Sage__http://pastie.org/384288809:32
Stskeepstrying to understnad why09:32
Sage__ok09:32
Sage__i'll do some reviews and new submission probably this evening09:33
Stskeeps"Hello. download.opensuse.org lost its filesystem."09:35
Stskeepswell, that complicates matters09:35
Sage__o_009:35
StskeepsSage__: what arch was that error on?09:37
Sage__i58609:38
Stskeepsok09:38
phakohm, can't see anything in the nemo terminal on vbox09:39
phakojust black09:39
Stskeepsphako: yeah, llvmpipe issue09:39
Stskeepshost-f2 (ie, ctrl-alt-f2)09:39
phakoStskeeps: oh right.09:39
Sage__  <summary>device-mapper: no logfile</summary>09:40
Sage__that error seems to happen still as well09:40
Stskeepsok09:40
Stskeepsif device-mapper is same as before, there's not going to be a logfile, i think09:40
Stskeepsfile a bug about it please09:40
Sage__?09:41
Stskeepsremember, build-compare09:41
Sage__no :P09:41
Stskeepsok, so, when a build is done, it's compared to the previously built rpm09:42
Stskeepsif it's similar, it won't trigger rebuilds of others09:42
Stskeepsthis happens for build checks in CI too09:42
Stskeepsso when there's a similar binary, it won't be store09:42
Stskeepsd09:42
Stskeepslbt: did we do .0.0.1 or not, btw?09:49
Stskeepsif we didn't yet, don't bother09:49
Stskeeps:P09:49
lbtwe did09:50
Stskeepsok09:50
lbtI'm writing snapshot email ...09:50
Stskeepsjust mark that there's a rpmlint issue09:51
Stskeepsand probably not usable09:51
Stskeepsman, CI in distributions can be hard09:51
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lbtI am pushing this OBS stuff :)09:51
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Stskeepsi'm really surprised OBS didn't catch this one09:52
Stskeepsi think we need various levels of CI at times, ie, 'scrub deep'09:52
lbtis rpmlint in pre-install ?09:53
Stskeepspossible09:54
Stskeepsrpmlint-mini is the culprit09:54
slainelbt, example of an rpm lint issue, http://pastebin.com/EAMCuwFC09:54
Stskeepssmoku: did you go to see iron sky yet?09:55
slaineI don't think that's getting a theatrical release here, but I'd love to see it09:55
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slaineStskeeps, lbt, something else I've noticed, the status monitor doesn't show active workers for armv8el, but does show scheduled packages graph and repositories09:57
slaineWonder is that relating to the OBS Worker host machine rather than the obsworker instances09:58
phakois the console supposed to work after hard-disk install?09:58
phakovirtual console I mean09:58
Stskeepsshould, usually09:58
lbtStskeeps: so ... do you want me to take a look at anything? rpmlint?09:59
Stskeepslbt: methods for cloning people..09:59
lbt:)09:59
lbtit seems like rpmlint is the main issue - if you're on it then I'll keep on obs and hopefully get something to improve CI10:00
slaineWhat is CI10:00
lbtif there's something I can jump into - yell10:00
phakoStskeeps: need to boot without quiet10:00
lbtcontinuous integration10:00
slaineah, knew that, forgot10:01
lbtslaine: automated runs of various checks to catch stupid errors early10:01
slainehandy stuff10:01
lbtbut this one looks like OBS should have caught it10:01
* Stskeeps curses10:06
lbtand on tuesday... curl decides to ignore no_proxy10:10
lbtas in wtf10:10
Stskeepson a sidenote, anyone who want to try to do a bringup of tizen web runtime on mer?10:25
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StskeepsMer release management meeting in 15 minutes in #mer-meeting10:44
lbtgrumble... not had time to prepare10:55
eocanhawoohoo! gcc package finished compiling. It took "only" 2 hours. I'm going to check it for illegal instructions while systemd compiles...10:57
Stskeepseocanha: you might have to rebuild it twice, though10:57
Stskeepsas th compiler it might have been built with had --with-arch=i68710:58
Stskeepsi68610:58
Stskeepsso check if the compiler does it for systemd10:58
eocanhaok, then I'll have to wait a little bit more10:58
eocanhaanyway, it's a good sign that the installed version of libgcc matches with the one produced while compiling gcc10:59
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Stskeepsyep10:59
eocanha(installed version when compiling systemd)10:59
lbteocanha: did you build in the same proj as systemd10:59
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eocanhayes11:00
eocanhaI'm only working with one project11:00
eocanhaeven though I have the majority of the packages with build disabled to avoid massive rebuilds11:00
lbtOK - that's fine then11:01
Stskeepseocanha: did you see the discussion yesterday about $obsname ?11:01
eocanhaIf this works, maybe I do a massive rebuild, but by the moment I'm only rebuilding a few selected test packages (gcc, systemd, xterm and libutempter)11:01
eocanhaI'm reading it in the logs11:03
Stskeepso11:03
Stskeepsk11:03
lbt2min11:04
Stskeepslbt: you'll run the meeting?11:04
lbtsure11:05
Stskeepsok11:05
lbtrelease mgmt meeting just started11:06
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lbtjbos: phaeron Sage__ ... no mdfe11:06
Stskeepsit's 1 of may today, many countries have it off11:08
lbtoh. holidays... I remember them...11:09
lbtthey're like ... that other thing.... mmm weekends I think they were called11:09
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eocanhaI'm going to have lunch, but before that I'm pasting the results here: I still get illegal instructions in systemd with the new compiler, according to my checking scripts. This is the build log (cutted in the middle): http://pastebin.com/PvzjnkRi12:26
eocanhaOn the one hand, the right target is passed to rpmbuild, and also a lot of useful CFLAGs I'm forcing,12:27
Stskeepshmm12:27
eocanhabut on the other hand, configure still tests for things such as i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc.12:27
Stskeepsand gcc log has the right ./configure ?12:28
eocanhayes:12:28
eocanha(looking for it)12:28
eocanha../configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --with-bugurl=http://bugzilla.meego.com/ --enable-bootstrap --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --enable-checking=release --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-gnu-unique-object --enable-lto --enable-linker-build-id --enable-languages=c,c++,objc,obj-c++ --disable-libgcj --with-tune=generic --with-arch=i486 --12:30
eocanhabuild=i486-meego-linux12:30
eocanha12:30
Stskeepslooks correct to me12:30
eocanhaMaybe my illegal instruction detection script has some problems, though, but the only thing it does is to dissassemble and reassemble binaries12:31
Stskeeps:nod:12:31
Stskeepswell, one bug down ;)12:31
eocanhaand look for (instruction) warnings while reassembling12:31
Stskeepscan you show an example of it?12:32
eocanhaof the script? http://pastebin.com/6mzZsGTw12:33
Stskeepswell, of the output12:34
Stskeepsremember that there is some possibility that you're getting a statically linked lib from somewhere else, just to keep that in mind12:34
eocanhahttp://pastebin.com/Tyws6WEv12:36
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eocanhayes, that's true12:36
eocanhaBefore executing the script, I download the generated rpm, convert it to tgz with alien O:-) , uncompress it, and then run the script12:37
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eocanhaI'm going to try disabling again the Atom patches12:40
lbtrpm2cpio is useful12:40
eocanhayes, but then I have to fight with cpio, read the manuals... and it takes more time than using tgz. I've uncompressed from cpio some time, as an experiment, though.12:43
eocanhathanks for the hints anyway12:45
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lbtStskeeps: what's one of the last things to build in Mer - an easy one for tests?13:13
Stskeepsqtwebkit is the last one13:14
Stskeepsoh, you said easy13:14
Stskeepserr.. rpmlint-mini perhaps13:15
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SageStskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/559 would need "minor" review :P13:34
Sagesummary: +21581, -1630613:35
Stskeepsseems not bad13:35
Sageit also added libs and static packages which is nice.13:38
Stskeepsbbl nap13:42
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lbtmmm so apache's Directory directive has FollowSymlinks ... but it doesn't apply if the *directory* is a symlink ... *sigh*14:13
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lbtmorning Alison_Chaiken14:28
Alison_ChaikenHuomenta, lbt.    Too buys struggling with launchpad to struggle with OBS right now!14:29
lbtah... playing on the dark side eh?14:29
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Alison_Chaikenlbt, I need to provide collaborators with what they need so that we can all make progress.   The alternative, as we all know is to work alone and accomplish nothing!14:32
Alison_ChaikenBut I'm sure Mer is running *precisely* according to your wishes!   ;-)14:32
lbtnot even close14:33
* lbt figures maybe a break would do some good ... l8r14:36
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phaeronlbt: it was a nice barbecue17:17
lbt:)17:17
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lbt./osc-wrapper.py --debug -t -A https://obsfe.dgreaves.com:444 copyprj MyMerUx MyMerUx217:18
lbtworked :)17:18
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lbtdidn't copy the metadata17:19
phaeronlbt: did you change the exposed api to add &withbinaries=117:19
lbtthat's in your patch in bs_srcserver17:20
lbtand passes through api by default17:20
lbtI added a command to osc17:20
lbt @cmdln.option('-b', '--with-binaries',17:20
phaeronlbt: yeah ok so why didn't it copy metadata ?17:21
phaerondid it result in a rebuild17:21
lbtno meta == no repos17:21
phaeronah17:21
phaeronhmm17:21
lbtodd17:22
phaeronso when you created similar repos to source project did it rebuild ?17:22
lbt-b does copy metadata17:22
lbtand does do a rebuild :/17:22
phaeronif something is different between source project and the new area it could do a rebuild17:22
lbttimestamps?17:23
lbtmake-older17:23
phaeronno I mean repo paths and prjconf etc ..17:23
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lbtmmm - just letting it chug away17:27
phaeronwhat is osc-wrapper17:27
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lbtit becomes usr/bin/osc17:28
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lbtso it lets you run your dev version of osc17:28
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phaeronok17:34
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lbtpushed copyproj to merproject osc17:39
lbthttps://github.com/Merproject/osc/commit/84c9b581cc499630d2b4911b9857a9970b0b396b17:40
phaeronI'll try to setup a quick obs to check why it still rebuilds17:40
lbtare you good with my obs-setup ?17:40
lbtand do you use NFS ?17:41
lbt(I have a little script that links the obs-setup fe code via NFS to my dev code in git)17:41
lbtand the packages for the be are the ones currently in Mer:OBS:Testing:Devel17:42
phaeronno and no17:43
phaeronTizen 1.0 sdk released .. ?17:43
lbtI'll wait for a usb stick next week17:44
lbthttps://gist.github.com/256997717:46
wmaroneI wish they'd actually fix the SDK functionality on 64-bit platforms17:47
lbtMer SDK works on both :)17:48
wmaroneyup17:48
wmaroneworks like a charm too17:48
lbtI admit it's a tad more basic *g*17:48
lbtphaeron: I'm putting on some food... feel free to push changes to osc or a new copyproj branch on obs-server on merproject17:50
wmaronespeaking of the sdk, I need to see why hildon-home crashes on my w50017:50
wmaroneprobably a missing package, as susual17:51
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tilgoviwell, isn't that fun17:55
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StskeepsCosmoHill: no jumping people, it scares some17:56
CosmoHillmy friend mentioned couchdb17:56
CosmoHillyes masters17:56
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tilgoviheh18:03
tilgoviI don't mind so much18:03
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CosmoHilldo I always kill conversations?18:11
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SageStskeeps: anyway to test that rpmlint fix of yours?18:15
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StskeepsSage: fixed it in CI tree, so i can re-kick things18:54
* Stskeeps researches zlib NEON/SSSE3 optimizations18:57
Stskeepsfor zlib18:57
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* Stskeeps kicks things18:59
CosmoHillsup?18:59
Stskeepsi officially hate rpmlint-mini19:00
CosmoHilldid you sign in duplicate?19:03
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harbaum_Hmm ... is there no arm gdb in ubuntu? There's everything but no arm-linux-gnueabi-gdb ...19:15
Stskeepsit tends to be a oversight19:20
Stskeepswe have a task bug for that in mer too19:20
harbaum_Since you don't need a debugger if you just don't make mistakes?19:21
Stskeepswell, more like, a cross debugger19:22
_av500_or printf19:24
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harbaum_In fact i barely use debuggers. I currently want to single step a small arm thumb snippet. And it seems the way to go is qemu with gdb connected19:24
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Stskeeps:nod:19:35
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StskeepsSage: python is really the third rail of Mer it seems - touch it and you get a lot of electricity through you19:39
Stskeeps:P19:39
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CosmoHilllbt: my work entrance: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/farm_track.jpg19:52
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lbtphaeron: any progress21:00
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phaeronno filling in some forms21:03
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CosmoHillStskeeps: how goes the driving lessons?21:05
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lbtphaeron: and then we can see wtf copyproj is doing21:43
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phaeronlbt: is that vm somewhere accessible ?21:45
lbtno21:45
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lbtmmm21:46
phaeronok21:46
lbtwe could erase mer cobs21:46
phaeronheh21:46
lbtno, really21:46
lbtupgrade it to OBS:T:Devel21:47
phaeronbarely tested ..21:47
lbtI'd wipe the VMs before a redeploy anyhow21:48
lbtit's not in use21:48
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lbtor we could just make some OBS trial VMs on that phost21:48
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phaeronok sshing21:54
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greyhathi guys21:57
greyhatanyone know where i can find an install guider for mer plasma active, I am running windows21:57
greyhathave a ztpad c7121:57
greyhatdont all answer at once :/22:01
phaerontry asking in #active ?22:03
phaeronalso maybe http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Installation#Mer_Plasma_Active22:04
greyhatthanks for trying. only linux guides in the link and already asked in #activre22:04
greyhat*-r22:05
phaerongreyhat: use virtualbox to run Linux22:05
greyhati have a linux comp but it doesnt work with my sd card reader. i suspect i will have the same issue with virtualbox22:06
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lbtphaeron: OK .. found why mk_vm failed and fixed it22:22
lbtmaking tbe now22:22
lbtand then tw122:22
* phaeron watches22:23
lbtup22:23
lbtwe'll be using chroot workers btw22:23
lbtanyhow .. it's bedtime for me :)22:25
phaeronno problem22:25
phaeronwut22:25
lbtI'm going to run a deep check on my newly copyprj'ed projects22:25
lbt*g* ... we have noisy owls22:29
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lbtbut what's *really* fun ... is sticking your head out the window and going "whoooo" ... and hearing them reply :D22:29
lbtOK .. so copyprj needs a deep-check-project (or similar) post copy to kick things22:33
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lbtStskeeps: so a basic copyprj works - we have some test vms for OBS (in meego.com space), the --with-binaries option to osc does actually get to the backend ... so all told not a bad bit of progress.  Not that it actually seems to work yet :)22:35
lbt'night all22:36
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nightwalkAnyone have any idea about the status of mer, tizen, or whatever on the viewsonic gtablet?23:21
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