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| Termana | morning | 03:23 |
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| IanWizard-Cloud | Termana: hi :) | 06:06 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:48 |
| iekku | morning | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: would it be possible to have a weekly summary of taken bugs (ie, not need-triage, not not-taken) and who is working on them? | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | instead of the weekly 'whining' thing that bugzilla used to have | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | so we don't get bugs that are stuck on the sideline for several months | 07:59 |
| iekku | sounds like a good idea | 08:03 |
| iekku | should it have also information about when bug has been last time touched? | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:04 |
| iekku | :nod: | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have bosses who hit your head when bugs go idle too long, so gentle prods by public shaming is better ;) | 08:04 |
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| iekku | separate mail or list coming with bug triage invite? | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | i think we can make it with the bug triage invite i guess | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | then it's not very spammy and all the info a contributor needs to know is in the mail | 08:06 |
| iekku | that was on my mind | 08:06 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: dunno if sjgadsby is using some script to generate the maemo/meego bug jars. is so maybe we could use that? | 08:06 |
| timoph | if so even | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 08:07 |
| iekku | i rather get the lists manually, i get better understanding then | 08:07 |
| iekku | the amount of the bugs isn't so big yet | 08:07 |
| timoph | true | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | which is good, considering we're already >300 | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | in bug id | 08:07 |
| iekku | later on it would be maybe useful | 08:07 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: btw, did you try the updated testrunner-ui? | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: no, i guess i can | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | or not | 08:09 |
| timoph | the key thing is in settings | 08:09 |
| timoph | :) | 08:09 |
| timoph | anyway, I think I'll add a check that the provided key actually exists | 08:10 |
| timoph | actually it checks it now but doesn't tell it to the user | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:11 |
| timoph | was thinking something like making the lineedit's background red if the provided file doesn't exist | 08:11 |
| timoph | the thing seems to be almost 2 years old already :) | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | works quite well for it | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | btw, found out why icons weren't showing? | 08:13 |
| timoph | Wed Jul 28 2010 Timo Härkönen <timo.harkonen@digia.com> 0.0.1 | 08:13 |
| timoph | not yet | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:13 |
| timoph | I'll look into it after niina's parent leave :) | 08:14 |
| timoph | s | 08:14 |
| timoph | actually. hmmh | 08:15 |
| timoph | I recall them working | 08:15 |
| timoph | with ubuntu that is | 08:16 |
| timoph | anyway. I'll check what's going on there later in the evening | 08:17 |
| timoph | anything else that you're missing from it? | 08:17 |
| * timoph is open for feature requests | 08:18 | |
| timoph | (and needs a break from the summit challenge work) | 08:18 |
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| Stskeeps | i should really book those plane tickets for devaamo summit.. | 08:25 |
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| CosmoHill | I really sould make a plan of attack for CLFS | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | work on mer instead? ;p | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | though CLFS did help me discover some things | 08:31 |
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| CosmoHill | it's a pain to work on the book as a lot of stuff is duplicated but with subtle changes | 08:32 |
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| CosmoHill | I've also been meaning to give wayland and ekopath a go | 08:35 |
| jbos_ | morning | 08:36 |
| CosmoHill | heya | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | morn jbos_ :) | 08:37 |
| jbos_ | I wondered, did anyone ever tried icecream with in obs ? | 08:37 |
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| Stskeeps | jbos_: obs comes with icecream support, but i'm not sure about on OBS itself, just local builds | 08:37 |
| jbos_ | yep, that I wondered about. Since, well y know If only one worker is running on one cpu you may want to have it using idle resources via icecream. | 08:39 |
| jbos_ | It *should* work in theory | 08:40 |
| jbos_ | :) | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | i've not played with it myself | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | for me, tmpfs builds are 'fast enough' | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | and when you do -j > 4, a -lot- of packages start breaking up | 08:41 |
| jbos_ | mhm | 08:41 |
| jbos_ | breaking up > broken? or split to more workers? | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | as in 'random failures doing build due to bad makefile design' | 08:42 |
| jbos_ | since, y know for my build here it is cpu bound, and capable of doing -j16 without trouble | 08:42 |
| jbos_ | :) | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:43 |
| jbos_ | so -j16 on plain hardware is building in 15 min -j1 is 35 min :) | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | linux software isn't in a good state always | 08:43 |
| Bostik | ooohh, I know one package where parallel make breaks - gtkwebkit :) | 08:44 |
| jbos_ | yep, but that is why I like it. (no good state) | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | sure, it keeps most of us in a job .. ;) | 08:44 |
| jbos_ | :D | 08:45 |
| jbos_ | mh one other thing, do y think Mer can get a 'Linux Cross Reference' | 08:46 |
| jbos_ | like over all packages | 08:46 |
| jbos_ | there was mxr.meego.com iirc | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | possible, though someone should admin it | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | it had rather high resource demands | 08:48 |
| jbos_ | timeless did it back in time... | 08:48 |
| jbos_ | didn't he? | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | sure, with massive trouble | 08:49 |
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| jbos_ | yep,... I tried my self to get a lxr running,... not funny ;) | 08:50 |
| jbos_ | but though, I'm not the best perl guy ... | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | should be easier with mer though, given our rsync-able packages-git/ | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | no need to manually extract srpms | 08:52 |
| CosmoHill | hmm, Amazon US = $5.75, Amazon UK = £31.79, i know which one's trying to rip me off | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | VAT.. | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think we can do a 0.0.1 based on content in COBS - not a prerelease, just snapshot to get early warning of issues | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | err | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | based on content in CI, that i | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | s | 08:58 |
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| CosmoHill | tool: £3.69, VAT: £1.74, postage: £5.99 >.< | 09:08 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: sure | 09:27 |
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| Termana | CosmoHill, I know which one is trying to rip you off as well: Amazon | 09:33 |
| lbt | I don't like the fact that Amazon charge pennies less than the competition and pay pounds less in tax - essentially we're paying taxes to Amazon for their benefit and not our own :( | 09:35 |
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| lbt | but .... a bit OT I guess :) | 09:35 |
| * lbt goes back to arguing with Stskeeps | 09:36 | |
| CosmoHill | I've found the same tool for £8.70 with vat and postage | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: in email, i presume? | 09:51 |
| lbt | yup | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | good | 09:51 |
| CosmoHill | is that so you have a easy to find record of the argument? | 09:51 |
| lbt | otherwise you were worried I was shouting at myself in a padded room? | 09:51 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: it's a good place to have more widely shared discussions | 09:52 |
| lbt | irc is a bit "here and now" | 09:52 |
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| CosmoHill | on LFS we find that the developers only use the mailing lists where as I and some others only use the IRC channel | 10:06 |
| CosmoHill | this has lead to the odd situation where I run the IRC channels without the knowledge of the project owners / developers | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: well, that would certainly explain a lot (padded room) | 10:08 |
| * Stskeeps ponders what to work on today | 10:19 | |
| lbt | add ldap-based access control to our front end web server | 10:21 |
| lbt | so we can have group control of who gets things like internal wiki, monitoring | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | bit out of my field :P | 10:21 |
| lbt | hey, I'd never done it before the first time either :) | 10:22 |
| lbt | well, | 10:22 |
| lbt | I mean I have no idea how to do it now so I'd have to learn it too | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | oh, ldap auth on website you mean | 10:23 |
| lbt | yes | 10:23 |
| lbt | I know the shape I want | 10:23 |
| CosmoHill | we'll pay you in coffee | 10:23 |
| lbt | ldap auth to a virtual host which is a reverse proxy (like most of them) | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: 0003- / egldrm patches ought to have better copyright headers | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | most interesting, why are they in Qt5:Devel in the first place.. | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | (because they're not mentioned in .spec) | 10:25 |
| * Stskeeps fixes up | 10:26 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: how many pages is this email.. | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2012/04/polish-bureaucracy | 10:40 |
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| lbt | got sidetracked by chores | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:43 |
| lbt | and actually thinking about it too | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | 28 C out.. i think if i went outside, i would catch fire | 10:48 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: really? it's cold and wet here | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | living in eastern europe has it's perks | 10:50 |
| CosmoHill | you're in poland right? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:56 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: on the plus side, the BTCC is interesting to watch today | 10:56 |
| CosmoHill | I wish that when they filmed in the wet they'd use devices to keep the cameras clean | 10:57 |
| CosmoHill | it's so wet that there is a land rover trying to tow the recovery truck that is trying to tow a racing car out of the grass | 11:06 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i see where you're getting at | 12:12 |
| lbt | good - sometimes I think I'm being too fussy | 12:13 |
| lbt | I think extending the yaml would be really nice | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | i disagree, for the sole reason not everything has yaml | 12:14 |
| lbt | ah... | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | did you know you can enter arbitary named.xml files into a RPM-md repository? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | named .xml | 12:14 |
| lbt | hence the "yaml flag for packages where yaml does not own the spec" | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | patterns are made similar way | 12:14 |
| lbt | yeah - it gets on to where is it mastered | 12:15 |
| lbt | I like it being in the packaging | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | so do i, but i can also see the benefits of it not being | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | and perhaps to some extend only analysed from packaging | 12:16 |
| lbt | mastering in the packages does not preclude overrides | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | either way, just brainstorming | 12:17 |
| lbt | *nod* - we had an external master in Nokia .... REVS | 12:17 |
| lbt | it became clear that keeping them in sync was more trouble than you'd hope | 12:17 |
| lbt | versioning issues pop up | 12:18 |
| lbt | I think it's worth considering the yaml further | 12:18 |
| lbt | I almost had #3 ... mer metadata | 12:18 |
| lbt | it would be yaml for this stuff | 12:19 |
| lbt | then I thought ... why? just extend the spec, | 12:19 |
| lbt | and fix the "but that means I have to master the spec in the yaml" objection | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | also, source determining group: because you can't tell if you reliably can remove a component else | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | or replace it | 12:19 |
| lbt | I think source defines default group ... cf license | 12:20 |
| lbt | in cairo the license is gpl2 ... but trace binary is gpl3 | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw per-component licenses are ok | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | graphs aren't per source | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | but i see your point | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | btw, .yaml has the bad sideeffect of not being easily extractable from a repo | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | or even obs output | 12:27 |
| lbt | I'm not massively worried by that | 12:30 |
| lbt | the 2 big areas are managing the data and reporting on it | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | .. and maintaining | 12:31 |
| lbt | reporting is by far the easiest as there's 'just' a transformation step in the mgmt process | 12:31 |
| lbt | mgmt=maintain | 12:31 |
| lbt | integrating the maintain step/process into a current process makes life fairly easy | 12:32 |
| lbt | writing a tool to move yaml => xml on commit is reasonably sane | 12:32 |
| lbt | we also don't do src.rpms so keeping the yaml in VCS is OK too | 12:33 |
| lbt | we don't need to encode it in the .spec | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a good idea to write up actual requirements to properly analyse | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | either way, i'm flexible: right now, it exists as a source=>group mapping in my spreadsheet | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | so as long as i can automate the setting/metadata, i'm happy | 12:42 |
| lbt | *nod* | 12:43 |
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| lbt | OK .. going to make lunch now :) | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | enjoy | 12:44 |
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| vgrade | morning | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | morn vgrade | 12:45 |
| vgrade | how did lfnw go? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | they had technical difficulties so they only managed to get aseigo on | 12:46 |
| vgrade | ok | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | though now i have some notes on presenting mer in future (ie, what i had prepped to talk about) | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | supposedly the room was packed there, at least | 12:46 |
| vgrade | goo I saw someone said that Mer had a few mentions | 12:47 |
| * Stskeeps glances at tizen conference trip | 12:50 | |
| Stskeeps | departing from here at 6:05am satuday | 12:50 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: BTW, i'll be using monster for some sb2-obs v2 experiments with your scripts starting tomorrow | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | worker is offline | 13:04 |
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| Stskeeps | hello Swartnag | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 14:48 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps: they are crud which *should* have been cleaned up and removed from the build long ago | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | ah, ok | 15:45 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: I thought I had snuffed most of the dead patches but those I really don't understand how they could remain... | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | either way, alpha1 passed automatic testing | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | i'll fix one thing i messed up and then start trying out the others | 15:46 |
| Bostik | whooo, ahma uploaded all that were missing :) | 15:47 |
| Bostik | I explicitly told him to not bang his head against qtwebkit, that's a monster | 15:48 |
| Bostik | and I'll get it together soon | 15:48 |
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| * alterego goes about installing everything again ... | 16:04 | |
| Stskeeps | hdd failure? | 16:05 |
| alterego | HD upgrade | 16:05 |
| alterego | And upgraded to Ubuntu 12.04, but remembered no toolchain, qt sdk, or mer sdk :) | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:06 |
| alterego | Wow, using windows phone is just like using windows. I gave a lumia to my gf for her birthday, and I've just plugged it in to her laptop, and it's prompted 1 after another to install (so far) 3 upgrades. | 16:08 |
| timoph | heh, I'm doing currently the same :) | 16:08 |
| alterego | qt sdk installer isn't working O_o | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | my wife hated the lumia and went back to her n900 | 16:09 |
| alterego | Yeah, we'll see how Phoebe does, she's not as tech savvy as your wife I don't think, but she has been using an N900 for over a year and a half. | 16:10 |
| alterego | Interesting, the SDK has to be installed with sudo. | 16:10 |
| timoph | alterego: does -style=plastique help? (I'm not that far yet) | 16:11 |
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| alterego | Might do, I'll see if it does after I've installed it as root ;) | 16:12 |
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| timoph | seems to do the trick | 16:14 |
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| alterego | Well, 3 updates later and the phone is ready for her to use -_- | 16:16 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone in here good at identifying snakes? | 18:55 |
| saunabad | i know python when i see one :) | 18:57 |
| CosmoHill | http://ralphshome.net/img/snake.jpg | 18:57 |
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| Stskeeps | evening phaeron | 19:16 |
| phaeron | evening | 19:16 |
| * Stskeeps is sitting and writing a response to marc stephan nkouly on mailing list | 19:17 | |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: duh duh duuuuhh | 19:21 |
| CosmoHill | (drama) | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | nah, no drama | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00469.html | 19:21 |
| CosmoHill | erm, where's the question? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | he's wondering how he can contribute and develop for this brave new world | 19:23 |
| CosmoHill | best of luck answering | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00474.html | 19:36 |
| CosmoHill | fyi, bad teacher isn't a good film | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: cool answer | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | i really do wonder what a n8x0-style tablet with gprs would cost these days in BoM | 19:41 |
| CosmoHill | BoM? | 19:41 |
| CosmoHill | Bottom of Market? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | bill of materials | 19:41 |
| CosmoHill | that makes more sense than what I just aid | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the components needed / cost of them, to do a product | 19:42 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps: easy | 19:42 |
| _av500_ | it would be a low end android phone today | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | still, sub-100? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | usd | 19:42 |
| _av500_ | bom? | 19:42 |
| _av500_ | sure | 19:43 |
| _av500_ | low end android retail for 99 | 19:43 |
| _av500_ | the huawei | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:43 |
| _av500_ | e.g. | 19:43 |
| _av500_ | you add cost for a keyboard | 19:43 |
| _av500_ | but thats about all | 19:43 |
| _av500_ | and 800x480 screen | 19:44 |
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| _av500_ | OPPA project? | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | OPPA? | 19:45 |
| _av500_ | one phone per african | 19:45 |
| _av500_ | :) | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | frankly, i wouldn't mind aiding to bomb the market to an area where tablets are as cheap as keyboards bought in a supermarket.. | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | era, i mean | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | but that's just idealistic me | 19:46 |
| _av500_ | there are 50$ tablets comming | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | good | 19:46 |
| _av500_ | wifi only though | 19:46 |
| * _av500_ has seen some boms :) | 19:47 | |
| Stskeeps | i have my smartq5 somewhere.. wifi only? pah, connect gprs modem with OTG | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | i have this fantastic idea for a product concept.. but some idiots trademarked 'windows' already, so i need a better name.. | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:53 |
| * Stskeeps heads to bed | 20:00 | |
| CosmoHill | night night Stskeeps | 20:05 |
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| lbt | *grumble* ... powercut for several hours :( | 20:10 |
| CosmoHill | at least the lights are on now | 20:10 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: you too eh ? :) | 20:10 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 20:11 |
| lbt | apparently it was a pretty large part of Berks | 20:11 |
| CosmoHill | but if I did I have a kindle and a whine up touch | 20:11 |
| lbt | *g* | 20:11 |
| CosmoHill | Berkshire? | 20:11 |
| lbt | yes | 20:11 |
| CosmoHill | I should go there some time | 20:11 |
| lbt | the concept of a "whine up" device is stupendous ! | 20:12 |
| lbt | the more you bitch about it the longer it keeps running | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | sounds like my car | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | I swear some of these kindle books where copied from actual books cos of the spelling mistakes | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | like "comer" instead of "corner" | 20:15 |
| lbt | scanned you mean ? | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | that would make more sense | 20:16 |
| * lbt is only buying Tor books | 20:16 | |
| CosmoHill | Tor? | 20:17 |
| lbt | publisher | 20:17 |
| lbt | they do a lot of sci-fi / fantasy | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | I'm reading Isaac Asimov atm | 20:17 |
| lbt | more importantly they just went DRM free | 20:17 |
| lbt | Asimov is good stuff | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | 4th book this month and I didn't even start at the begining | 20:17 |
| lbt | which | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | iRobot, The Naked Sun, Foundation and currently Foundation and Empire | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | I'm still to read the last three iRobot stories since my book didn't have them | 20:18 |
| lbt | when I get them back off mord you can borrow some E.E. 'Doc' Smith : "Lensman" series | 20:18 |
| Bostik | the first Foundation (with the short stories) is still the best Asimov I've read | 20:18 |
| lbt | it's been too long for me to recall it :) | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | I'm prefering the first to the second | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | I read The Naked Sun in less than two days | 20:20 |
| CosmoHill | once I figured out how to use the kindle | 20:20 |
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