Wednesday, 2012-04-25

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timophmorning04:00
iekkuhuomenta04:02
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E-PMorning all04:48
timoph'lo04:48
l3iGood morning04:55
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* l3i adds his support for E-P's nomination05:01
E-Pl3i: thanks :)05:04
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StskeepsE-P: out of curiousity, what's your research area at uni?05:29
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E-PStskeeps: how mobile devices could be use in m-learning and m-health services, mainly from the technical perspective05:33
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StskeepsE-P: ah, i used to be employed at http://www.pervasivehealthcare.dk/ for some years (old page)05:34
Stskeepswhich is where old Mer was used to provide health-in-the-home solutions05:34
* timoph pondering how to patch test-definition05:36
E-Pwe have also some ideas to use raspberry pi to create some small info tv for elders05:36
* Stskeeps ponders if he can find some video of it..05:36
Stskeepswe used atom motherboards back then, though we investigated beagleboard too05:36
Stskeepswe used skype as the voip/video over ip solution so05:39
E-Pwas the skype integrated to the system?05:40
Stskeepsyeah05:40
Stskeepsa lot of python scripting :)05:40
Stskeepshttp://www.caretechinnovation.dk/setsket/rrs-beta/download/RRS-Kick%20off-TH.pdf05:40
rrixand after two days of fixing me unplugging the laptop during an upgrade while the battery was disconnected, I dive back in to Mer playing05:41
Stskeepsrrix: welcome back :)05:41
rrix;)05:41
E-PStskeeps: pretty similar what we have thought about :)05:41
StskeepsE-P: i'm really wondering when we'll see something like GENIVI for healthcare linux05:42
Stskeepseverybody's lifting similar burdens05:42
Stskeepswith Mer as it is today, we could have cut base system development to less than 14 days05:43
Stskeepsand spent more time on actual research :P05:43
E-Pthere are lots of research that is is needed and it would save money and improve health service05:44
Stskeepswe really had frowning faces when we claimed we could practically put people back into their homes one day after hip surgery, it actually turned out to feel safe enough for the patients05:44
Stskeepshospital beds == expensive05:45
E-Pspecially in countries like Finland, here the distant to nearest hospital can be hundreds of kilometers (in Lappland)05:45
StskeepsE-P: slaine works with Mer and lincor.com btw, you could probably have some interesting talks05:46
E-Pnice to know05:46
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E-Pone of the main problem is the financial thing, the state/town should invest to those things05:49
E-Pit would pay back in the longer run, but usually they don't see it05:50
Stskeepsthe most difficult part in .dk was access to the medical journals in a sane format.. there is a law problem that states journals can only be delivered to the patient with an associated explanation by a doctor05:50
E-Pbut the r-pi gives new ideas and changes05:50
Stskeepsso you couldn't even deliver blood test results05:51
E-PStskeeps: yep that is the another big issues05:51
E-Pin Finland now started a project which idea is to solve that thing05:51
E-Pit is called as national health database05:52
Stskeepsyeah.. same in .dk, last i heard it turned into a massive scandal :)05:52
E-Pheh, like usually :)05:52
Stskeepsand operators not able to interoperate systems, etc..05:53
E-Pthe platform should be open source05:53
timophsounds familiar :)05:53
timophit just don't fit into my head how those all always fail for the same exact reasons05:54
E-Phealthcare is not the easiest field to play, because of the strict laws05:57
E-Pand open source is evil word there :)05:57
timophyep05:57
E-Popen source = all your data is open05:57
timophthey just need a lecture or two on what oss actually means05:58
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timophanyway. I'm thinking about taking another swing at test-definition05:59
timophhave think a bit how to make it more generic / configurable05:59
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timophmy top idea at the moment still is to add a conf file and a "build" script to it06:00
E-Ptimoph: we had some ideas together with lbt and l3i how to change the testing process06:00
E-Phow the tests are defined and mapped06:01
timophE-P: in this channel?06:01
* timoph could take a look at the logs06:01
E-Pyes, was is on last monday06:01
* timoph searches06:01
E-Phttp://mer.bfst.de/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2012-04-23.log.html#t2012-04-23T12:34:1806:01
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* timoph reads06:02
E-Plots of text, but the main idea is that the tests are not tied to test package06:02
timophsounds sane06:03
timophI'll read the conversation through anyway to get on the same page06:04
* Stskeeps tries to hack his n9 for demo purposes..06:05
E-Ptomorrow in the QA meeting we will discuss about that06:05
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E-Pin the mapping we could just map in domain/feature/test case level, and the test cases will define what packages are needed or what other test cases are needed06:07
E-Ps/or/and06:07
E-Ptimoph: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Talk:Quality/Test_processes06:08
E-Pbrief summary about that too with my ideas added06:08
Stskeepshmm, pr1.2 really goes the whole way about the warranty notice doesn't it06:09
* Stskeeps decides to take the warranty labeling as a badge of honor06:09
vgrademorn06:10
timophStskeeps: yeah. I read it as "achievement unlocked"06:14
Stskeepsooh, and n9 moslo works06:15
* Stskeeps thanks marquiz06:15
timophStskeeps: btw, do you have time to try the updated testrunner-ui?06:16
Stskeepstimoph: in a couple of hours, i need to get some tasks out of the way06:16
timophok06:16
Stskeepsneed to prep a lipstick image for conference tomorrow06:17
timophcool. planning on sharing the image/ks?06:17
Stskeepsyeah, sure06:17
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timophE-P: I recall seeing similar change proposals to the test process before :)06:19
E-P:)06:19
* timoph agrees on "This requires lots of changes to existing tools"06:21
E-Pwe could take the current tools and test packages into use first before making those changes06:22
timophI think we need to start documenting the needed changes as we see them now06:22
timophand basically start incrementing06:22
E-Pwould be nice to have some QA automation ongoing before making the changes06:23
timophtrue06:23
timophwe should be able to get ots + tools running pretty quickly06:23
E-Peven some  "purkka" stuff :)06:23
timophexactly06:23
rrixinteresting https://gitorious.org/freedreno/kernel-msm06:24
timophgives a place to start06:24
E-Pnow tea time, bbl06:25
Stskeepsrrix: ah, he's hacking it on touchpad? intersting06:25
rrixIndeed06:25
rrix3.0 kernel thar06:25
rrixoooooh shit, allergy pills == sleepyrrix06:26
rrixbye06:26
Stskeepsseeya06:27
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: Because there is some initialization work to do before xserver open Hisiv's fb, I think I can do it in Xserver init. Which package I should change ?06:39
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: it's possible to make a systemd service that states that it must run before xserver does06:41
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: you mean before uxlaunch service06:41
Stskeepsyes06:42
Stskeepswe do this for our SGX/3d acceleration on n900 too06:42
Stskeepsmoment06:42
Stskeepshttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=ti-omap3-sgx.service&package=ti-omap3-sgx&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN9xx-common&rev=63f5737876b620f47f5719a9275d094306:42
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok, I'll try,06:46
* Stskeeps watches .1 rebuild packages in cobs06:48
* Stskeeps ponders to head back to bed..06:48
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Sagelbt: release announcement forgotten?07:24
phaeronSage: there was some kind of release afaics http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120419.1/builds/i586/cross/repodata/07:25
Sagephaeron: yes there was release, but annoucement and notes missing from ML :)07:25
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Stskeepsarchitectual work is starting to pay off, http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-overview.svg07:48
Stskeeps(that's @Mer Core package group)07:48
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Stskeepsand displays like http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-systemd.svg07:50
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Stskeepslbt: task bug should be made: "procedure for indicating release blocker bugs to release management"08:16
Stskeepslbt: plasma would have liked to have fix for nspr in to fix their one regression08:16
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Stskeepshello WWDrakey :)08:19
WWDrakeyHello. :)08:19
Stskeepswelcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?08:19
PaimenStskeeps: soonish WWDrakey will pester you08:19
StskeepsPaimen: alright08:20
Paimenit is about bootchart on mer platform08:20
Stskeepsall questions welcome :)08:21
Stskeepssystemctl blame is first step though08:21
Stskeepser, systemd-analyze blame08:21
WWDrakeyOh, and hello to everybody else as well, if it wasn't already completely obvios, I'm Paimen's co-worker. ; )08:23
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WWDrakeyAnyway, I was analyzing some bootchart results from one of our Mer platforms, and noted that the bootchartd process itself appears also there consuming quite a bit of CPU time.08:24
Stskeepsit does, it does after all poll quite intensively the kernel08:24
Stskeepswhat bootchart are you using?08:25
Stskeeps(there's a few..)08:25
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WWDrakeyThe one from: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=bootchart&project=CE%3AUtils08:25
Stskeepsok, as a start, that package should probably be updated08:26
Stskeepssofar/auke has updated it at http://foo-projects.org/~sofar/bootchart/08:26
Stskeepsto 1.1608:26
Stskeepsand the newer versions are significantly better08:26
WWDrakeyAh, okay, good to know.08:26
Stskeepshttp://0pointer.de/blog/projects/blame-game.html might be useful as well08:27
Stskeepsthough sadly doesn't cover user session time08:28
Stskeeps(yet)08:28
WWDrakeyHmm. Interesting, that will be quite useful with what we're doing.08:29
slaineboot chart is a great tool08:31
slainemanaged to help reduce our network boot times by 50%08:31
WWDrakeyAnyway, I guess the first step is to try out the newer version of Bootchart and have a look at what the results from that look like. So, I'll pester people here further once I see what that gives out.  :)08:32
Stskeepsalright08:32
Stskeepsplease send an update to CE:Utils when fixed, (get a meego.com account and prod lbt/X-Fade for enabling it on the community OBS)08:32
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PaimenStskeeps: I think we discuss this with Bostik he might have account already08:36
Stskeepsok08:37
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lbtmorning .... overslept :)08:40
Stskeepsmorn lbt08:41
Stskeepslbt: was there any problems with updatess storm last night?08:41
lbtStskeeps: not checked yet08:41
Stskeepsok08:41
lbtlooks OK - but my machine's /tmp filled up so no scrollback08:43
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phaeronlbt: you mentioned something about the update storm ?08:48
lbtsec ... doing release email08:50
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lbtphaeron: we need zypper for debian for mic 0.8 for IMG08:52
lbtin MINT:Testing08:52
lbtwhich I need for the SDK08:52
phaeronlbt: you don't need zypper for mic to create the chroot08:53
phaeronjust remove the dep08:53
lbtok08:53
phaeroncheck the spec file that is already in Mint:Testing08:53
lbtoops08:53
phaeronI have some fixes there08:53
phaeronwhat .. :D08:54
lbtI copypaced the Mer:Tools one to MINT :)08:54
lbt-r08:54
phaeron:(08:54
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phaeronwhatever happened to SR08:54
phaeronsubmit request08:54
lbtI'd be SR'ing to myself08:55
lbtand I'd have OK'ed it08:55
lbtminly we need to determine where is master for various packages and how to do Tools/MINT/OBS promotions+releases08:55
phaeronwell Mer:Tools is targeted to sdk while Mint wants to run on distros08:56
lbtyep - but both need, eg mic08:57
lbtand build is common to OBS and Tools08:57
lbtrelease email sent08:57
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phaeronsent you the older debian packaging08:59
phaeronthe spec is fine08:59
phaeronor should be08:59
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lbtas an SR?09:02
phaeronemail09:04
phaeronStskeeps: any backend changes that need updating on a remote obs ?09:05
Stskeepsyou might have to update 'build'09:06
phaeronI just did09:06
phaeronafter reading the release email09:06
phaeronI am seeing : build.pub.MeeGo.com:Mer:fake:Core:armv7hl: answer is not xml09:07
phaeronlbt: ^^09:07
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lbtOK ... I need coffee09:09
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lbtphaeron: I have coffee but no email09:18
lbtphaeron: is your issue a remote obs issue?09:18
phaeronlbt: gmail09:19
phaeronlbt: yes09:19
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Stskeepslbt: if you get any mails on @merproject.org on 'merproject domain and keyword in CN', please ignore them, they're scams09:21
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lbtStskeeps: for the release blocker - very true I've said this a few times - but OTOH should plasma have been looking at the pre-releases more closely? ;) (eh mdfe? jbos?)09:24
Stskeepsthey were, actually09:24
Stskeepshence the nspr fix sent to gerrit :)09:24
Stskeepsso the crack in vendor interface is on our side09:25
lbtah, that's fair then09:25
lbt.2 ?09:25
phaeronlbt: loads of errors in cobs api log09:26
Stskeepslbt: nspr change will cause a total rebuild, take ~12 hours09:27
lbtand need testing ... OK ... we missed it09:27
lbtI was just looking at flags in bz09:27
lbtiekku: actually - can you comment?09:27
lbthow do we best use bz to flag a bug as a release blocker?09:28
lbtI'm tempted to simply have a flag and notes rather than "blocks next release" or "blocks release +1"09:28
lbtphaeron: ReadAccessError: home you mean?09:29
phaeronwell ReadAccessError everything09:29
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lbterm09:32
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lbtthere is no home:iamer:Cordia09:33
lbtbut there is home:iamer:Cordia:mutter09:33
lbtI have seen a "no data"09:33
lbtwhich went away on refresh09:33
lbt(which is bad)09:33
lbtI think ReadAccessError: is just 40409:34
lbtpossibly 403 etc if we had acls09:34
lbtphaeron: sorry, for whatever reason I didn't get the email with the spec09:37
lbtdsc even09:38
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iekkusorry, was at meeting. lbt should we simply use a flag for it?09:39
lbtI was looking and I think so09:40
lbtRelease Blocker09:40
iekku:nod:09:40
lbtanyone can request09:40
phaeronlbt: resending to your dgreaves09:40
iekkulbt, true09:40
iekkulbt, i will create one now09:40
lbtit's approved at triage or release mgmt on mondays/tuesdays09:40
lbtwe can put some words in the description - and a link to a wiki page09:41
lbtgrant-group is just release mgmt (which isn't anyone yet - should be sts/me/sage/phaeron for now)09:42
lbtI don't think we need to distinguish between products - we can annotate the bug09:42
iekkuhmmm, if i set the flag now09:44
mdfelbt: We are very closely at the mer pre-releases and we are also file bugs and fix them. What are you missing?09:44
iekkuwith admin granting and change it after release mgmt group is done09:44
lbtmdfe: a way to remind us what you asked for09:44
lbtas Stskeeps said - you'd patched nspr and we missed putting it in the release09:45
lbtiekku: yep09:45
lbtmdfe: so now I add a step to the release process "check the damn bugzilla"09:46
mdfelbt: sadly more stuff get broken in the new relaese09:46
mdfe getbinaries: missing packages: e2fsprogs-libs09:46
iekkuit's there now09:46
lbtmdfe: did that work on pre-release09:46
phaeronlbt: I am seeing similar issues09:47
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phaerongetbinaries is failing09:47
mdfelbt: yes pre-release was not effected by missing binaries09:48
Stskeepsmdfe: try to trigger a rebuild09:48
lbtmdfe: OK - I maded *very* sure we had no disk space issues09:48
Stskeepslbt: does obs-repos have e2fsprprogs-libs09:49
lbtStskeeps: I think we need more validationon on/of copy in the release process09:49
lbtlooking09:49
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lbtpastie.org09:51
lbt:(09:51
phaeronlbt: I think fakeobs is busted09:51
iekkulbt, i need usernames, (i think it's email related) to add you, Stskeeps, Sage and phaeron to the "release_mgmt" group09:52
lbtlbt iamer09:52
lbtStskeeps: https://gist.github.com/248861009:53
phaeronlbt: getbinaries on a cobs project / repo works , but on the fakeobs link doesn't09:53
lbtiekku: usernames should work ?09:53
iekkulbt, it seems not :/09:53
lbtotherwise david carsten marko islam09:53
lbtshould complete OK09:53
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lbtcpio: e2fsprogs-libs.rpm: Cannot stat: No such file or directory09:54
lbtfakeovs09:54
iekkuas a login name is email addres and then there's real name09:54
iekkuannoying :/09:54
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iekkulbt, can't find iamwe/islam...09:55
iekkuiamer...09:56
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Bostikoh, so that was the highlight.. didn't realise paimen was a coworker09:56
lbtiekku: pharon .... he's very conflicted09:57
PaimenBostik: indeed I'm :P09:57
iekkunow!!!09:57
iekku:D09:57
phaeron:)09:58
iekkuphaeron, :X09:58
iekku:P09:58
Bostikyah, on holiday for the week09:58
phaeroniekku: what info do you need ?09:58
iekkuok, now there's 4 of you in the release_mgmt group09:58
iekkuphaeron, nothing anymore09:58
phaeronwell I went through various stages of evolution09:59
Bostikcan get on IC even less frequently than during workdays09:59
Paimenyup I know you are on holiday, and WWDrakey has things under control we can look into this next week if we have something to push back to mer09:59
iekkulbt, now there's a flag for Release Blocker, everyone with editbugs right can suggess a flag and group: release_mgmt can grant it10:00
lbtthanks - can you pop something (from the backlog here) onto a wiki page and link that to the desc10:00
lbtjust looking at the rsync from CI->cobs... that went OK10:06
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lbtok10:12
lbtso I have the rpms in the obs-repos in the staging area... this is good10:13
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lbthttp://releases.merproject.org/obs-repos/Core:armv7hl:0.20120419.1/Core_armv7hl/armv8el/ has e2fs* rpms10:14
phaeronlbt: check "rpm" rpm too10:15
lbtthat ios there10:15
lbtv7hl10:15
lbtwhat arch is problematic10:15
iekkulbt, updated the Bug_lifecycle page10:16
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lbtiekku: ty :)10:16
phaeronlbt: for me 7hl is problematic10:16
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lbtOK ... this is odd10:21
lbtthe rpm is present... mds is not serving it10:21
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Stskeepshmm?10:23
Stskeepshow can you tell?10:23
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lbtnohup.out says "cpio: e2fsprogs-libs.rpm: Cannot stat: No such file or directory"10:23
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phaerondammit ran out of milk for the coffee10:24
Stskeepsdoes e2fsprogs-libs.rpm exist in the given architecture10:24
phaeronbrb10:24
Stskeepsin obs-repos/10:24
lbtStskeeps: yes10:24
Stskeepsshow me?10:24
lbthttp://releases.merproject.org/obs-repos/Core:armv7hl:0.20120419.1/Core_armv7hl/armv8el/10:24
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* Stskeeps goes look10:25
lbtso I checked in staging area... OK10:25
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lbtchecked in releases ^^^ OK10:25
Stskeepscheck i58610:25
lbtchecked on MDS on cobs using ls10:25
lbtOK10:25
lbtre-ran rsync... all seems fine10:25
Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/obs-repos/Core:i586:0.20120419.1/Core_i586/i586/10:26
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Stskeepswhere's elfutils, e2fsprogs..10:26
Stskeepsnoo, pastie.org :(10:28
lbtyeah10:28
lbt:(10:28
Stskeepshttp://pastebin.com/28Dz9V9410:28
Stskeepsthat's from 'log'10:29
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Stskeepsso my bet is that we managed to get a classical OBS 0-size response10:29
lbt*grumble*10:30
lbtwhat state is CI in?10:31
lbtputting on a coffee and taking a breather ... bbiam10:32
Stskeepssame as in .110:34
lbtOK - so we can re-grab the i58610:35
Stskeeps:nod:10:39
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X-Fadelbt: Did anything change with auth on cobs? api seems to not authenticate anymore?10:42
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lbtX-Fade: no, nothing like that has changed10:44
X-FadeCheck cfe production log10:45
lbtall I see is some ReadAccessError:10:45
lbtapi ?10:45
X-Fadeyeah10:46
lbtthey're fine - I read them as 404 or 40310:46
lbtthe projects don't exist10:46
lbtthey're intermediate missing ones usually10:46
X-FadeHmm now I can get the api call.10:47
X-FadeWeird.10:47
lbtX-Fade: I have seen a couple of "empty" responses10:48
X-Fadelbt: hmmm might be it.10:49
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WWDrakeyStskeeps: Okay tried out the newer version of Bootchart, looks like the question I had remains. Basically: At least in our platform, the bootchartd process itself is also shown in the results for different processes and their CPU/memory utilization.10:51
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WWDrakeyI don't remember seeing this in other implementations of bootchart, so I guess they either have an option of dropping it out from the graph or just drop it out by default.10:52
Stskeepswell, it does play a part naturally10:53
Stskeepsas the numbers may not add up otherwise10:53
Stskeepssofar/auke's pretty easy to talk to, you can maybe catch him in #tizen in US time if you have a comment/feature request10:54
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WWDrakeyIt's not really an issue otherwise, but just struck my eyes, as we're analyzing quite a bare platform, and having the bootchartd process show up there as the highest consumer of resources seemed a bit off at first. I guess the CPU load can be tuned by slowing down the sampling rate etc.10:54
Stskeepsyeah - are you sure you have all the kernel settings needed as well?10:55
Stskeepsfor data collection10:55
WWDrakeyYeah, I think so. At least all that was commented in the README's etc. Recompiled the kernel for this.10:56
Stskeepsif you don't mind me asking, what kind of bootup performance are you guys getting? ie, boot to ui showing10:57
Stskeepsi've not done analysis of this on mer recently, so10:57
WWDrakeyWell, our platform doesn't actually boot up to UI currently, like I said, it's pretty bare ; )10:58
Stskeepsah, fair enough10:58
WWDrakeyWithout UI we're getting something like ~6s, and will try to optimize that down further.11:00
Stskeeps:nod: make sure you have proper class SD as well and prelink active11:01
lbtStskeeps: I think we'll need a complete release or we'll lose the -cross11:02
Stskeepslbt: OK11:02
Stskeeps.211:02
lbtif CI hasn't changed we can still do it as .111:03
Stskeepsup to you, i think it's a re-release11:03
lbtOK - I'll erase .1 then11:03
Stskeepsand make a note to mer-general11:04
sledgeshello :)11:10
* sledges is digging in xorg-..-evdev source code and waiting for the blamy TS back11:11
sledgesin the meanwhile: how to enable mouse cursor visible in Lipstick QML ?11:11
Stskeepssledges: /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch11:12
Stskeepssledges: check what output you get from /dev/input/event*11:12
jbosmhm is obs / fakeobs down?11:13
sledgesStskeeps, about /dev/input/.. : I think I am getting ABS_PRESSURE only and not BTN_TOUCH, so even when evdev identifies the da9052-tsi correctly as touchscreen, no touch events come through (just the mouse moves to where it was touched)11:13
jboshttp://paste.jeremiasbosch.de/show.php?id=102811:14
Stskeepsjbos: we're debugging some things right now as there was packages lost11:14
Stskeepssee mer-general@ mailing list notification11:14
Stskeepsjbos: that warning is normal, though11:14
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jbosso currently there is no osc build in SDK possible cause of this?11:17
Stskeepsmoment11:17
Stskeepspreparing download ... -- how long did you wait?11:17
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sledgesStskeeps, the mouse cursor is there at the beginning, but Lipstick disables it after a short while (hence no lines "xopts=-nocursor" in uxlaunch..)11:18
Stskeepssledges: remove xopts=-nocursor for sure11:18
sledgesStskeeps, it is removed (since the beginning of my lipstick.ks :))11:19
Stskeepsok11:19
Stskeepsthere is something about show cursor environment variable..11:19
sledgesso i see the cursor while still in xterm11:19
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sledgesoh, it disappears after a minute or so, while still in xterm (lipstick is not guilty :))11:22
vgradesledges, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=allow-cursor-control-env.patch&package=libmeegotouch&project=CE%3AMW%3AMTF&rev=4318c31148aa79b3543fd1e613786b9011:23
sledgesvgrade, thank you, so where is the best way to put `export M_USE_SHOW_CURSOR=1` in Mer?11:27
Stskeeps /etc/profile.d11:27
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sledgesit works, vgrade! brilliantly thank you, finally can demonstrate Lipstick on a vga screen, while my LCD+TS are gone :)11:32
sledgescheers Stskeeps for the profile.d!11:33
vgradeslaine, yw11:34
* slaine looks up from the xinput script he's working on11:34
slainewhat's up vgrade11:34
vgradesry slaine, wrong nick11:35
slainelol, no worries11:35
vgradesledges, yw11:35
sledges;)11:35
slainedon't suppose there's any xinput experts in the channel?11:35
sledgesslaine, xinput told me off yesterday with "XI2 not supported". end of story :)11:36
slainehehe11:36
slaineI'm shocked that there doesn't seem to be a way to get the device input path from xinput11:36
sledgeshmmm, on vga screen lipstick is unacceptably slow... :(SATA disk is running through USB, took ~25 seconds to load SMS)11:39
sledges(imx53, glestest reports 45FPS)11:41
Stskeepsvga = ?11:42
sledgesvideo=mxcdi1fb:GBR24,VGA-XGA di1_primary vga11:42
sledgessorry, 35FPS...11:42
Stskeepsok, so what resolution?11:43
sledges1024x76811:44
Stskeepssledges: can you  try lipstick with lipstick -graphicssystem opengl ?11:44
sroedalwhat does lipstick use? QGraphicsView?11:46
sledgeshmm, I went into Lipstick->settings. what's the shortcut to back into the main menu?..11:46
Stskeepssledges: there's settings? :o11:47
Stskeepssroedal: we have something a little awkward on some devices, so just checking something11:47
sledges:D yes, where i gor primarily11:47
Stskeepssroedal: it should be using a opengl viewport, i think11:47
sledgessettings->about my device->about product - long scrolling list - perfect for benchmarking11:47
Stskeeps(w00t?)11:47
sroedalStskeeps: just wondering in the context of Qt 5, where graphicssystems are gone11:47
sledgesand that does not behave smoothly..11:47
Stskeepssledges: ah, that's not lipstick.. that's the settings app11:47
sledges?11:48
Stskeepssledges: lipstick is the homescreen11:48
sledgesok11:48
Stskeepssettings = a settings app11:48
Stskeepsif that's slow, that's another issue11:48
sledgesthen i misconceptualised it :)11:48
sledgesso lipstick is rock solid11:48
sroedalStskeeps: but as long as it has an opengl viewport it should work fine, maybe we could even do some platform plugin optimizations to not allocate resources for the QGraphicsView itself11:48
sledgessms app loads for ~36seconds :(11:48
Stskeepssledges: yes, that's the nemo apps11:48
sledgesroger11:48
sledgeswhich as you once mentioned, are heavy11:49
Stskeepssroedal: :nod: we're just on qt4 with this though11:49
sledgeswonder what I could scribble for a [QML] demo then..11:49
Stskeepssledges: well, lipstick is qml ;)11:49
sledgesof course :) but showing only lipstick is not enough11:50
sledgesmaybe a photo shuffler11:50
Stskeepschecked 'qmlgallery' ?11:50
* sledges doh!11:50
Stskeepsor our flickr apps11:50
sroedalStskeeps: just thinking ahead :p11:50
Stskeepssroedal: good ;)11:54
sledges6 FPS on List, Grids and Popups->Speech Bubbles :{11:57
* sledges is eager to optimise, but need to find major bottlenecks first11:58
Stskeepssledges: in where...11:58
sledgesWidgets Gallery->...11:59
Stskeepsok, can you launch widgetsgallery -graphicssystem opengl from terminal ?11:59
sledgesis still nemo? :)11:59
Stskeepsit's libmeegotouch11:59
sledgesok will try11:59
sledgesStskeeps, widgetsgallery -graphicssystem opengl: assertion failed 0; coredumped12:00
Stskeepssledges: ok, progress12:00
sledges;)12:00
Stskeepssledges: so, you can't assume you'll get any proper performance out of libmeegotouch-based applications12:01
sledgesdue to the way it is using GLES, even though glestest works....12:01
Stskeepsdue to pandora's box of issues12:01
Stskeepswe even have problems on pandaboard12:02
sledgesare you making a pun, Stskeeps ? :)12:02
Stskeepsnot intentionally12:02
sroedalit's a bit risky to use -graphicssystem opengl and simultaneously a glwidget viewport I think12:02
Stskeepscan you try the QmlWidgetsGallery?12:02
sroedalwith -graphicssystem opengl you shouldn't use a glwidget viewport12:02
sledgesful error: widgetsgallery: /u/build/nightly_build/build/ltib/rpm/BUILD/amd-gpu-src-11.09.01/driver/build/linux/mx51/../../../es20/src/gl2_framebufferobject.c:1867: glEGLImageTargetTexture2DOES: Assertion `0' failed.12:03
Stskeepssledges: heh, woops12:03
sledgesprobably still a flaky gles driver (amd_gpu), can't push the envelope..12:04
sledgesi will try to patch it and rebuild (patched the kernel only so far, as was calmed down by the glestest working)12:05
Stskeepssledges: check out the QmlWidgetsGallery first12:05
Stskeepsor whatever the name is12:05
sledgesvia lipstick? no such command in the prompt12:05
Stskeepsthere should be a QML Widgets gallery too12:05
sledgesi see only dialer,lock,people,meego video,xterm,settings,sms,boosted wg, and Widgets Gallery (which is the same widgetsgallery)12:06
Stskeepsok, moment..12:06
sledgesthanks :)12:07
phaeronlbt: ping. .2 release eta ?12:07
Stskeepsphaeron: usually takes about an hour, then it has to be transferred to cobs12:07
phaeronStskeeps: thanks12:11
sledgesStskeeps, how to make lipstick -not- to use opengl ? (for a test)12:15
Stskeepssledges: not sure you'll have fun with that - besides that, that isn't the problem12:16
sledgesjust wanted to see the performance difference, if any (while flicking best benchmark)12:17
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Stskeepssledges: install qt-components package12:23
Stskeepsthat'll give you qml components12:23
* sledges thinkgs it's time to learn how to install stuff (zypper?), and add Mer repositories first (no idea :))12:24
Stskeepsyou should have those repos already12:24
Stskeepsand 'zypper in'12:24
Stskeeps:P12:24
Stskeepsor add it in %packages12:24
lbtStskeeps: finished on ci minutes ago12:26
lbtgrep cpio log looks clean :)12:26
sledgesoh wow, "IT JUST WORKS!" :))12:26
lbtmake update on MDS now12:27
Stskeepstimoph: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/n950-lipstick.ks12:30
Stskeepswow, this tearing effect on n9/n950 really is annoying12:31
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sledgesStskeeps, QmlComponentsGallery is accelerated!! great!12:34
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* Stskeeps preps his marketing kit.. n9 with lipstick, business cards, printouts of lipstick qml ui source code, touchpad with 'a day made of glass' videos..13:00
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sledges;D where're you off to?13:07
Stskeepshttp://2012.front-trends.com/13:08
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lbt+T-shirt13:13
Stskeepsmm13:14
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sledgesuuhh i wish my imx was ready for that, no? ;)13:16
sledgescould make a video at least..13:17
sledgesgood luck Stskeeps all the best and we're with you :)13:21
sledgesflickr-qml is not finding any pictures :( (connection is OK)13:22
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Stskeepsdns too?13:23
sledgesyes13:23
Stskeepsodd13:23
sledgesping google.com works like charm13:23
Stskeepscheck .xsession-errors ?13:23
sledgesnothing :{13:24
Stskeepsuse another demo? ;)13:24
sledges:D yes13:24
sledgesgive me an instance please (I liked the widgetsgallery picturesque demo, but it is not acceld.. and QtWidgetsGallery don't do pictures..)13:25
Stskeeps qtflyingbus? ;)13:25
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sledges:D actually graphics is not smooth... :{13:30
Stskeepshmm?13:30
sledges-graphicssubsystem opengl but still stuttering gamepley13:31
Stskeepsodd13:31
Stskeepswell, avoid opengl for qtflyingbus13:31
sledgeshow, it picks it up by default13:31
Stskeepswell13:31
Stskeepsi meant, adding the graphicssystem stuff13:31
sledgesdereference *GLES*? :)13:32
sledgestried without, still same13:32
Stskeepsok13:32
sledgesworld is cruel :))13:32
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sledgesflickr-qml is working!!!13:36
sledgesjust had to leave it be for a minute or so :))13:36
sledgesdoesn't like the opengl bit (just got stuck..) without which it is sluggish :}13:38
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sledgeshmm flickr-qml -graphicssystem opengl says QEglContext::swapBuffers(): "Bad surface (0x300D)" multiple times (before crash?)14:02
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Stskeepsthe graphicssystem was just a test to see if it was possible to update libmeegotouch apps14:10
sledgesah14:10
lbt.2 still churning away ... FYI14:10
Stskeepsok14:11
* sledges needs an accelerated picture flicking demo, or probably end up doing one myself.. just by forking and modifying what now works great (QtComponentsGallery)14:11
Stskeepslbt: saw http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-overview.svg , http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-systemd.svg btw?14:13
lbtyes, they're getting to be communicative :)14:13
Stskeepsyep14:13
sledgesnice diagrams Stskeeps :)14:13
Stskeepsgot a script that automatically changes Group: of .spec/yaml's14:13
Stskeepsso this is actually output from a image .packages14:14
sledges8)14:15
* lbt finally fixes icinga alert emails14:15
Stskeepsover time we can put D-Bus interfaces etc there as well, hopefully14:16
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sledgeshow can you demo Mer for HTML5 ? (front-end-important Stskeeps ;))14:37
Bostiksledges: qtwebkit 2.2+ as base, perhaps?  (wait for couple of weeks and I'll get the qt5-qtwebkit module included...)14:38
* sledges waiting ;)14:38
sledgescheers Bostik , good to know it is being worked on and that is you :)14:40
Bostiksledges: we have most of qt5 Ə1 in shape for review+inclusion, but I know from *painful* experience that webkit is a complete bitch to build14:41
Bostikhence it's virtually guaranteed to take some time, but if I get to work on it after next week, I'm pretty sure we have it ready in time for qt5.0.0 final :)14:42
sledgesis qt5 going to be with QML2 and full opengl rendering system?14:44
sledgesor am I talking apples and bananas? :)14:44
Bostikthat's the default, yes14:45
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sledgesbet is being a headache to test on every GPU.. or at least definitely -will- be one :)14:45
Bostikaye!14:45
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Stskeepssledges: would phonegap work?14:50
sledgeslooks like some porting's ahead, Stskeeps. all I see in phonegap's source tarball are subdirs: android,bada,blackerry,ios,symbian,webos,windows14:57
sledgesbada being potential candidate to start butchering/gutting :)14:58
Stskeepssledges: not really, sec15:03
Stskeepshttp://wiki.qt-project.org/PhoneGap_for_Qt_515:03
Stskeepswe have it running on nemo already15:03
sledgesbrilliant Stskeeps15:03
sledgeshelp me sort this out with OBS: what happens if i start building qt-components against "Mer armv7 softfp port" repository (instead of the current  CE_MW_Shared_armv7l one) in order to run it on Lipstick Mer build, -- build errors?15:05
sledgesStskeeps, phonegap.Nemo is not on OBS?15:05
Stskeepssledges: build errors. need to build against similar targets as the qt-components was15:06
Stskeepssledges: phonegap for harmattan, use qmake and co15:06
Stskeepsnot sure it's packaged15:07
sledgeson phonegap: understood15:07
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sledgeson obs: still can't get my head around in this repo world (legacy meego stuff and lipstick and co)15:07
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Stskeepshttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS15:08
Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html , browse through that15:08
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Stskeepsspecially Project meta15:08
sledgesso building qt-components against Mer fails due to "unresolved: 1": nothing provides pkgconfig(mailit) - so when does mailit actually appear in the final lipstick.ks rootfs? during mic? that everything just works in the end :)15:09
sledgeshope I explained my lostness clearly enough :)15:10
sledgess/mailit/maiit-1.0/15:10
Stskeepsok, so, in OBS, it looks at build requirements, and when building a binary it'll then refer to maliit libraries, and in rpm this gets noticed and is added to the dependency description of the rpm15:11
Stskeepsso maliit gets pulled in at image build time15:11
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sledgesor whenever i install the first rpm which needs it15:12
sledgesaye? :D15:12
Stskeepscorrect - take a look at output of rpm -q --requires -p *.rpm at some point15:13
sledgesthank you Stskeeps , that was a very important piece of information15:13
Stskeepswhen RPM doesn't figure it out itself, we tell it to15:14
Stskeepsyou see http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-systemd.svg ?15:14
Stskeepsfeature means that the binary depended on a library the other package provides15:14
Stskeepsfile means the other package provides a file (/bin/sh) that the package needs15:15
Stskeepspackage means it explicitly requires that package15:15
Stskeepsbecause the .spec says it should15:15
Alison_Chaikenvgrade, I installed your gpsd package and I put in some udev rules.15:16
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Alison_ChaikenHow are you getting a /dev/gps0 for gpsd?   Running udevadm by hand?15:16
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sledgesStskeeps, all clear! :) cheers15:43
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sledgeswhen I built qt-components against CE_MW_Shared_armv7l , the repo says "There are no cycles in this repository." and "Go to download repository" says "404 - Not Found"..15:51
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sledgesfalse alarm, apologies15:52
sledges(have to go through the -package's-/Repositories tab)15:52
kovso, I was taking a peek at this ohm thing, the repo in gitorious seems to imply it was to be obsoleted by something else, anyone has a clue whether that happened and what has taken it place? is it still used in mer?15:52
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phrykHi there. Just came from the website and find the info a bit sparse. I would like to know how suited it is for my n900.16:03
phrykMost interesting would be of course what hardware is *not* supported.16:04
sledgesphryk, most probably what you are looking for is Nemo Mobile (it run on Mer as its base)16:06
phryksledges: Ah thanks.16:06
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burrowifi & cam definitely work on nemo16:06
sledgesphryk, have fun (you will, loads :))16:07
phryksledges: Only if I don't need an sd card to install (which i doubt) or if someone here has a card for me :P16:07
sledgeshttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N90016:08
sledgesphryk, ^16:08
Stskeepsphryk: so, Mer is a core which doesn't contain hardware adaptations and UI, Nemo provides hardware adaptations for X86, N900/N950/N9 and pandaboard, so those pages usually lists what work and what doesn't16:08
Stskeepskov: we use ohm and resource framework in Nemo, but the story is supposedly that the entire team got hired by Intel around Nokia's feb11..16:09
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Stskeepskov: so i'm not sure if it's a sane upstream.. but it is a mighty powerful piece of software16:09
phrykStskeeps: I'm already in the nemo channel :)16:09
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Stskeepsphryk: good ;)16:10
Stskeepsphryk: i meant wiki pages :)16:10
phrykI'm on the wiki as well ;)16:10
Stskeepsphryk: either way: gps needs some work, bluetooth is current broken due to power management conflict, tv out works to some extent but not out of the box16:11
Stskeepsad-hoc networks don't work with connman16:12
phrykI haven't used ad-hoc wifi on a single occasion, gps would be nice, never used bluetooth…16:14
phrykMinimum of working stuff would be working internet, telephony and camera16:14
sledgesStskeeps, why is this not created (http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/sledge:/branches:/home:/stskeeps:/branches:/CE:/Apps/CE_MW_Shared_armv7l) meanwhile this is: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binaries?package=qt-components&project=home%3Asledge%3Abranches%3Ahome%3Astskeeps%3Abranches%3ACE%3AApps&repository=CE_MW_Shared_armv7l ?16:15
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* sledges going home, will check the logs :) cheerio!16:21
kovStskeeps, I see, thanks =)16:22
Stskeepsphryk: should work16:26
Stskeepskov: what are you hoping to use it for?16:27
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kovStskeeps, I'm looking for ways of pumping the priority of applications depending on context or in response to events and started researching existing solutions, a colleague brought ohm and libresource to my attention16:40
Stskeeps:nod:16:40
kovI noticed it was kinda abandoned in gitorious since late 2010, except for a push in 201216:40
Stskeepsthey are pretty powerful, if you can get past the prolog :)16:40
Stskeepshaven't seen anything like it in oss since16:40
kovheh, yeah, my colleague was like 'you will not be able to guess what language it uses'16:41
Stskeepsthe n900 hardware adaptation has a open implementation with rules and all16:41
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jonwilseems like ohm and friends is one of those bits of software that is closed source on the N900 but was opened up in a heavily changed form for MeeGo work17:08
Stskeepsnot 'heavily', from what i recall17:09
jonwilok17:09
Stskeepsbut yes, they were opened up for meego,17:09
jonwilsounds like it might be more useful on Fremantle than, say, MeeGo MCE is then17:09
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jonwil:)17:09
Stskeepsmm17:09
Stskeepsuncertain17:09
CosmoHill.o/17:09
Stskeepsmoo CosmoHill17:10
Stskeepsdid you find out more about mpfr and gmp and such?17:10
CosmoHillwoof Stskeeps17:10
jonwildoesnt ohm tie into pulseaudio in places?17:10
jonwilor am I thinking of some other part of the system?17:10
Stskeepsjonwil: it does, but i believe those parts are open17:10
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jonwilso much code out there that might be interesting for Fremantle (and especially CSSU). Just recently for example someone managed to get hold of Fremantle version of tablet-browser-daemon and browser-neteal code :)17:13
Stskeepsjonwil: just remember that by actively using leaked code, people may taint their involvement in other oss software..17:14
* Stskeeps just believes we should be making it easy for small to medium enterprises to do good devices, quickly17:15
Stskeeps:P17:15
jonwiltrue although it was uploaded to http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/ by the guy who wrote it AND it has MPL license headers on it so I wouldn't exactly call it "leaked"17:16
Stskeeps'guy who wrote it'?17:16
jonwillet me find the reference17:17
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jonwilI think it was referring to the listed maintainer of the package in question17:17
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Stskeepsreason i'm a little iffy about it is that the people i know who worked with that, are long gone from nokia :P17:18
Stskeepswhere do you see tablet-browser-daemon?17:19
* lbt grumbles at skynet17:19
jonwilWhat Pali said about it was "I wrote to MicroB developer and he updated source code of some PR1.3 MicroB packages on garage project, see:"17:22
jonwilhttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=browser17:22
jonwiltablet-browser-daemon is in https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/client-server/trunk/server/?root=browser17:22
Stskeepsok, romaxa might be more legit17:22
jonwilbut yeah I dont think I know of any cases where N900 code was leaked as such17:25
jonwilunless you count e.g. the copy of MCE for some pre-MeeGo OS that was posted somewhere on repository.maemo.org17:26
Stskeepshehe17:26
Stskeepsyeah, that one was more fun :)17:26
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jonwilThere is (or was) also at one point source code for an unknown version of the Harmattan messaging-ui out there somewhere that I saw once while trawling the internet looking for anywhere where usefull-for-n900 code may be hiding17:34
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jonwilmaybe one of these days hell will freeze over and I will end up with source code for connui-home-cellular :P17:44
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vgradepelagicore pick up ex nokia ivi Qt team, http://www.pelagicore.com/news-pelagicore-starts-munich-office.html17:54
Stskeepsah, interesting17:54
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Stskeepsthough not too surprising17:56
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Alison_ChaikenHow far behind can a Silicon Valley Pelagicore office be?18:04
Alison_ChaikenAnton Narusberg just joined my Silicon Valley Automotive Open Source Group.18:04
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Alison_Chaikenvgrade, did you see my question about gpsd?18:05
Alison_ChaikenAre you creating /dev/gps0 by hand?18:05
Alison_ChaikenThe udev rules that I usually use for gpsd are not working for some reason.18:05
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StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: do you know if there's a kernel interface / tty for the GPS on the G9 that spits out NMEA?18:07
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* dm8tbr wonders what the chip is18:08
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dm8tbrhopefully it's not related to that nl-somethign-something that was in the gen7 and the N90018:08
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Stskeepsi'm starting to get the hang of this AgileBrowser thing - http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/GraphicsX11.png , Mer Graphics/X11 in context (users and what it uses)18:11
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Alison_ChaikenThe USB chip in the G9 you mean?   The GPSes are mostly FTDI.18:12
Alison_ChaikenWe need an lsamba (ls-amba) to go along with lshw.   A /sys introspection tool for ARM.18:13
Alison_ChaikenNote to self: write one, you lazy girl, after finishing >500 other good ideas for projects.18:13
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Stskeepsugh, wl128318:17
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StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: i have a nasty feeling that the gps functionality is hidden behind some TI blob that the general public don't traditionally have access to18:20
Stskeepsif you're lucky, you'll find it speaking NMEA on a tty, but ..18:21
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Alison_ChaikenWas just wondering since vgrade packaged gpsd for mer and has used the Archos tab.18:24
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Alison_ChaikenAnd he is a superhero with frightening powers.18:24
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Stskeepsthat he is18:25
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vgradeAlison_Chaiken, sry I missed the Q18:45
vgradeIt was built against Mer in my general work on initial Plasma Active so I have no other exp than that I'm afrid18:46
Alison_ChaikenI figured out the problem, vgrade: usb devices are /dev/usbdevx.x, not /dev/ttyUSBx, so scripts are failing.18:47
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vgradeStskeeps, those diagrams are great btw,18:48
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Stskeepsvgrade: thanks, i'll expand http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Architecture with them probably19:10
vgradereally helps me with understanding how things fit together19:16
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SageMe ponders the pvr output of nexus http://pastebin.com/10ZNCAdZ20:33
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Sagethe /dev/dri/ dir is empty. I wonder if there should be something20:34
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phaeronSage: there should be , right ?20:48
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Sagenot sure /21:09
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lbtSage: ping21:19
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Sagelbt: pong21:20
lbtI'm updating cairo21:21
lbthttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=cairo.spec&package=cairo&project=home%3Albt%3Abranches%3AMer.MDS%3ACore%3Ai486&rev=2c91f74513f840122b4478a96fdcef5921:21
lbtis the spec21:21
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lbtI have /usr/lib/cairo/cairo-fdr.so[.0[0.0]] files21:21
lbtand cairo-sphinc21:21
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lbtcairo-sphinx even ...21:22
lbtI think cairo-sphinx is a util to go alongside the trace util21:22
* Sage waits for the question21:22
lbtbut I thought .so.0 and .so.0.0 files went in -devel21:22
Sage.so files to -devel rest to lib21:23
lbtta21:23
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CosmoHill.o21:52
CosmoHillmy arms!21:52
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phaeronSage: usually there are two device nodes there http://pastebin.com/Nfuv7Wm921:55
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lbt'night all22:33
CosmoHillbye22:33
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