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| timoph | morning | 04:00 |
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| E-P | Morning all | 04:48 |
| timoph | 'lo | 04:48 |
| l3i | Good morning | 04:55 |
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| * l3i adds his support for E-P's nomination | 05:01 | |
| E-P | l3i: thanks :) | 05:04 |
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| Stskeeps | E-P: out of curiousity, what's your research area at uni? | 05:29 |
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| E-P | Stskeeps: how mobile devices could be use in m-learning and m-health services, mainly from the technical perspective | 05:33 |
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| Stskeeps | E-P: ah, i used to be employed at http://www.pervasivehealthcare.dk/ for some years (old page) | 05:34 |
| Stskeeps | which is where old Mer was used to provide health-in-the-home solutions | 05:34 |
| * timoph pondering how to patch test-definition | 05:36 | |
| E-P | we have also some ideas to use raspberry pi to create some small info tv for elders | 05:36 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if he can find some video of it.. | 05:36 | |
| Stskeeps | we used atom motherboards back then, though we investigated beagleboard too | 05:36 |
| Stskeeps | we used skype as the voip/video over ip solution so | 05:39 |
| E-P | was the skype integrated to the system? | 05:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 05:40 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of python scripting :) | 05:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.caretechinnovation.dk/setsket/rrs-beta/download/RRS-Kick%20off-TH.pdf | 05:40 |
| rrix | and after two days of fixing me unplugging the laptop during an upgrade while the battery was disconnected, I dive back in to Mer playing | 05:41 |
| Stskeeps | rrix: welcome back :) | 05:41 |
| rrix | ;) | 05:41 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: pretty similar what we have thought about :) | 05:41 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: i'm really wondering when we'll see something like GENIVI for healthcare linux | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | everybody's lifting similar burdens | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | with Mer as it is today, we could have cut base system development to less than 14 days | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | and spent more time on actual research :P | 05:43 |
| E-P | there are lots of research that is is needed and it would save money and improve health service | 05:44 |
| Stskeeps | we really had frowning faces when we claimed we could practically put people back into their homes one day after hip surgery, it actually turned out to feel safe enough for the patients | 05:44 |
| Stskeeps | hospital beds == expensive | 05:45 |
| E-P | specially in countries like Finland, here the distant to nearest hospital can be hundreds of kilometers (in Lappland) | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: slaine works with Mer and lincor.com btw, you could probably have some interesting talks | 05:46 |
| E-P | nice to know | 05:46 |
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| E-P | one of the main problem is the financial thing, the state/town should invest to those things | 05:49 |
| E-P | it would pay back in the longer run, but usually they don't see it | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | the most difficult part in .dk was access to the medical journals in a sane format.. there is a law problem that states journals can only be delivered to the patient with an associated explanation by a doctor | 05:50 |
| E-P | but the r-pi gives new ideas and changes | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | so you couldn't even deliver blood test results | 05:51 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: yep that is the another big issues | 05:51 |
| E-P | in Finland now started a project which idea is to solve that thing | 05:51 |
| E-P | it is called as national health database | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. same in .dk, last i heard it turned into a massive scandal :) | 05:52 |
| E-P | heh, like usually :) | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | and operators not able to interoperate systems, etc.. | 05:53 |
| E-P | the platform should be open source | 05:53 |
| timoph | sounds familiar :) | 05:53 |
| timoph | it just don't fit into my head how those all always fail for the same exact reasons | 05:54 |
| E-P | healthcare is not the easiest field to play, because of the strict laws | 05:57 |
| E-P | and open source is evil word there :) | 05:57 |
| timoph | yep | 05:57 |
| E-P | open source = all your data is open | 05:57 |
| timoph | they just need a lecture or two on what oss actually means | 05:58 |
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| timoph | anyway. I'm thinking about taking another swing at test-definition | 05:59 |
| timoph | have think a bit how to make it more generic / configurable | 05:59 |
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| timoph | my top idea at the moment still is to add a conf file and a "build" script to it | 06:00 |
| E-P | timoph: we had some ideas together with lbt and l3i how to change the testing process | 06:00 |
| E-P | how the tests are defined and mapped | 06:01 |
| timoph | E-P: in this channel? | 06:01 |
| * timoph could take a look at the logs | 06:01 | |
| E-P | yes, was is on last monday | 06:01 |
| * timoph searches | 06:01 | |
| E-P | http://mer.bfst.de/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2012-04-23.log.html#t2012-04-23T12:34:18 | 06:01 |
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| * timoph reads | 06:02 | |
| E-P | lots of text, but the main idea is that the tests are not tied to test package | 06:02 |
| timoph | sounds sane | 06:03 |
| timoph | I'll read the conversation through anyway to get on the same page | 06:04 |
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| E-P | tomorrow in the QA meeting we will discuss about that | 06:05 |
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| E-P | in the mapping we could just map in domain/feature/test case level, and the test cases will define what packages are needed or what other test cases are needed | 06:07 |
| E-P | s/or/and | 06:07 |
| E-P | timoph: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Talk:Quality/Test_processes | 06:08 |
| E-P | brief summary about that too with my ideas added | 06:08 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, pr1.2 really goes the whole way about the warranty notice doesn't it | 06:09 |
| * Stskeeps decides to take the warranty labeling as a badge of honor | 06:09 | |
| vgrade | morn | 06:10 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: yeah. I read it as "achievement unlocked" | 06:14 |
| Stskeeps | ooh, and n9 moslo works | 06:15 |
| * Stskeeps thanks marquiz | 06:15 | |
| timoph | Stskeeps: btw, do you have time to try the updated testrunner-ui? | 06:16 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: in a couple of hours, i need to get some tasks out of the way | 06:16 |
| timoph | ok | 06:16 |
| Stskeeps | need to prep a lipstick image for conference tomorrow | 06:17 |
| timoph | cool. planning on sharing the image/ks? | 06:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, sure | 06:17 |
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| timoph | E-P: I recall seeing similar change proposals to the test process before :) | 06:19 |
| E-P | :) | 06:19 |
| * timoph agrees on "This requires lots of changes to existing tools" | 06:21 | |
| E-P | we could take the current tools and test packages into use first before making those changes | 06:22 |
| timoph | I think we need to start documenting the needed changes as we see them now | 06:22 |
| timoph | and basically start incrementing | 06:22 |
| E-P | would be nice to have some QA automation ongoing before making the changes | 06:23 |
| timoph | true | 06:23 |
| timoph | we should be able to get ots + tools running pretty quickly | 06:23 |
| E-P | even some "purkka" stuff :) | 06:23 |
| timoph | exactly | 06:23 |
| rrix | interesting https://gitorious.org/freedreno/kernel-msm | 06:24 |
| timoph | gives a place to start | 06:24 |
| E-P | now tea time, bbl | 06:25 |
| Stskeeps | rrix: ah, he's hacking it on touchpad? intersting | 06:25 |
| rrix | Indeed | 06:25 |
| rrix | 3.0 kernel thar | 06:25 |
| rrix | oooooh shit, allergy pills == sleepyrrix | 06:26 |
| rrix | bye | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | seeya | 06:27 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Because there is some initialization work to do before xserver open Hisiv's fb, I think I can do it in Xserver init. Which package I should change ? | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: it's possible to make a systemd service that states that it must run before xserver does | 06:41 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: you mean before uxlaunch service | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | we do this for our SGX/3d acceleration on n900 too | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=ti-omap3-sgx.service&package=ti-omap3-sgx&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN9xx-common&rev=63f5737876b620f47f5719a9275d0943 | 06:42 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok, I'll try, | 06:46 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders to head back to bed.. | 06:48 | |
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| Sage | lbt: release announcement forgotten? | 07:24 |
| phaeron | Sage: there was some kind of release afaics http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120419.1/builds/i586/cross/repodata/ | 07:25 |
| Sage | phaeron: yes there was release, but annoucement and notes missing from ML :) | 07:25 |
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| Stskeeps | architectual work is starting to pay off, http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-overview.svg | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | (that's @Mer Core package group) | 07:48 |
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| Stskeeps | and displays like http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-systemd.svg | 07:50 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: task bug should be made: "procedure for indicating release blocker bugs to release management" | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: plasma would have liked to have fix for nspr in to fix their one regression | 08:16 |
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| Stskeeps | hello WWDrakey :) | 08:19 |
| WWDrakey | Hello. :) | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 08:19 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: soonish WWDrakey will pester you | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | Paimen: alright | 08:20 |
| Paimen | it is about bootchart on mer platform | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | all questions welcome :) | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | systemctl blame is first step though | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | er, systemd-analyze blame | 08:21 |
| WWDrakey | Oh, and hello to everybody else as well, if it wasn't already completely obvios, I'm Paimen's co-worker. ; ) | 08:23 |
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| WWDrakey | Anyway, I was analyzing some bootchart results from one of our Mer platforms, and noted that the bootchartd process itself appears also there consuming quite a bit of CPU time. | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | it does, it does after all poll quite intensively the kernel | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | what bootchart are you using? | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | (there's a few..) | 08:25 |
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| WWDrakey | The one from: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=bootchart&project=CE%3AUtils | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok, as a start, that package should probably be updated | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | sofar/auke has updated it at http://foo-projects.org/~sofar/bootchart/ | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | to 1.16 | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | and the newer versions are significantly better | 08:26 |
| WWDrakey | Ah, okay, good to know. | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/blame-game.html might be useful as well | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | though sadly doesn't cover user session time | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | (yet) | 08:28 |
| WWDrakey | Hmm. Interesting, that will be quite useful with what we're doing. | 08:29 |
| slaine | boot chart is a great tool | 08:31 |
| slaine | managed to help reduce our network boot times by 50% | 08:31 |
| WWDrakey | Anyway, I guess the first step is to try out the newer version of Bootchart and have a look at what the results from that look like. So, I'll pester people here further once I see what that gives out. :) | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | please send an update to CE:Utils when fixed, (get a meego.com account and prod lbt/X-Fade for enabling it on the community OBS) | 08:32 |
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| Paimen | Stskeeps: I think we discuss this with Bostik he might have account already | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:37 |
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| lbt | morning .... overslept :) | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: was there any problems with updatess storm last night? | 08:41 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: not checked yet | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:41 |
| lbt | looks OK - but my machine's /tmp filled up so no scrollback | 08:43 |
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| phaeron | lbt: you mentioned something about the update storm ? | 08:48 |
| lbt | sec ... doing release email | 08:50 |
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| lbt | phaeron: we need zypper for debian for mic 0.8 for IMG | 08:52 |
| lbt | in MINT:Testing | 08:52 |
| lbt | which I need for the SDK | 08:52 |
| phaeron | lbt: you don't need zypper for mic to create the chroot | 08:53 |
| phaeron | just remove the dep | 08:53 |
| lbt | ok | 08:53 |
| phaeron | check the spec file that is already in Mint:Testing | 08:53 |
| lbt | oops | 08:53 |
| phaeron | I have some fixes there | 08:53 |
| phaeron | what .. :D | 08:54 |
| lbt | I copypaced the Mer:Tools one to MINT :) | 08:54 |
| lbt | -r | 08:54 |
| phaeron | :( | 08:54 |
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| phaeron | whatever happened to SR | 08:54 |
| phaeron | submit request | 08:54 |
| lbt | I'd be SR'ing to myself | 08:55 |
| lbt | and I'd have OK'ed it | 08:55 |
| lbt | minly we need to determine where is master for various packages and how to do Tools/MINT/OBS promotions+releases | 08:55 |
| phaeron | well Mer:Tools is targeted to sdk while Mint wants to run on distros | 08:56 |
| lbt | yep - but both need, eg mic | 08:57 |
| lbt | and build is common to OBS and Tools | 08:57 |
| lbt | release email sent | 08:57 |
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| phaeron | sent you the older debian packaging | 08:59 |
| phaeron | the spec is fine | 08:59 |
| phaeron | or should be | 08:59 |
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| lbt | as an SR? | 09:02 |
| phaeron | 09:04 | |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: any backend changes that need updating on a remote obs ? | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | you might have to update 'build' | 09:06 |
| phaeron | I just did | 09:06 |
| phaeron | after reading the release email | 09:06 |
| phaeron | I am seeing : build.pub.MeeGo.com:Mer:fake:Core:armv7hl: answer is not xml | 09:07 |
| phaeron | lbt: ^^ | 09:07 |
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| lbt | OK ... I need coffee | 09:09 |
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| lbt | phaeron: I have coffee but no email | 09:18 |
| lbt | phaeron: is your issue a remote obs issue? | 09:18 |
| phaeron | lbt: gmail | 09:19 |
| phaeron | lbt: yes | 09:19 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: if you get any mails on @merproject.org on 'merproject domain and keyword in CN', please ignore them, they're scams | 09:21 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: for the release blocker - very true I've said this a few times - but OTOH should plasma have been looking at the pre-releases more closely? ;) (eh mdfe? jbos?) | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | they were, actually | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | hence the nspr fix sent to gerrit :) | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | so the crack in vendor interface is on our side | 09:25 |
| lbt | ah, that's fair then | 09:25 |
| lbt | .2 ? | 09:25 |
| phaeron | lbt: loads of errors in cobs api log | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: nspr change will cause a total rebuild, take ~12 hours | 09:27 |
| lbt | and need testing ... OK ... we missed it | 09:27 |
| lbt | I was just looking at flags in bz | 09:27 |
| lbt | iekku: actually - can you comment? | 09:27 |
| lbt | how do we best use bz to flag a bug as a release blocker? | 09:28 |
| lbt | I'm tempted to simply have a flag and notes rather than "blocks next release" or "blocks release +1" | 09:28 |
| lbt | phaeron: ReadAccessError: home you mean? | 09:29 |
| phaeron | well ReadAccessError everything | 09:29 |
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| lbt | erm | 09:32 |
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| lbt | there is no home:iamer:Cordia | 09:33 |
| lbt | but there is home:iamer:Cordia:mutter | 09:33 |
| lbt | I have seen a "no data" | 09:33 |
| lbt | which went away on refresh | 09:33 |
| lbt | (which is bad) | 09:33 |
| lbt | I think ReadAccessError: is just 404 | 09:34 |
| lbt | possibly 403 etc if we had acls | 09:34 |
| lbt | phaeron: sorry, for whatever reason I didn't get the email with the spec | 09:37 |
| lbt | dsc even | 09:38 |
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| iekku | sorry, was at meeting. lbt should we simply use a flag for it? | 09:39 |
| lbt | I was looking and I think so | 09:40 |
| lbt | Release Blocker | 09:40 |
| iekku | :nod: | 09:40 |
| lbt | anyone can request | 09:40 |
| phaeron | lbt: resending to your dgreaves | 09:40 |
| iekku | lbt, true | 09:40 |
| iekku | lbt, i will create one now | 09:40 |
| lbt | it's approved at triage or release mgmt on mondays/tuesdays | 09:40 |
| lbt | we can put some words in the description - and a link to a wiki page | 09:41 |
| lbt | grant-group is just release mgmt (which isn't anyone yet - should be sts/me/sage/phaeron for now) | 09:42 |
| lbt | I don't think we need to distinguish between products - we can annotate the bug | 09:42 |
| iekku | hmmm, if i set the flag now | 09:44 |
| mdfe | lbt: We are very closely at the mer pre-releases and we are also file bugs and fix them. What are you missing? | 09:44 |
| iekku | with admin granting and change it after release mgmt group is done | 09:44 |
| lbt | mdfe: a way to remind us what you asked for | 09:44 |
| lbt | as Stskeeps said - you'd patched nspr and we missed putting it in the release | 09:45 |
| lbt | iekku: yep | 09:45 |
| lbt | mdfe: so now I add a step to the release process "check the damn bugzilla" | 09:46 |
| mdfe | lbt: sadly more stuff get broken in the new relaese | 09:46 |
| mdfe | getbinaries: missing packages: e2fsprogs-libs | 09:46 |
| iekku | it's there now | 09:46 |
| lbt | mdfe: did that work on pre-release | 09:46 |
| phaeron | lbt: I am seeing similar issues | 09:47 |
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| phaeron | getbinaries is failing | 09:47 |
| mdfe | lbt: yes pre-release was not effected by missing binaries | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe: try to trigger a rebuild | 09:48 |
| lbt | mdfe: OK - I maded *very* sure we had no disk space issues | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: does obs-repos have e2fsprprogs-libs | 09:49 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I think we need more validationon on/of copy in the release process | 09:49 |
| lbt | looking | 09:49 |
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| lbt | pastie.org | 09:51 |
| lbt | :( | 09:51 |
| phaeron | lbt: I think fakeobs is busted | 09:51 |
| iekku | lbt, i need usernames, (i think it's email related) to add you, Stskeeps, Sage and phaeron to the "release_mgmt" group | 09:52 |
| lbt | lbt iamer | 09:52 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: https://gist.github.com/2488610 | 09:53 |
| phaeron | lbt: getbinaries on a cobs project / repo works , but on the fakeobs link doesn't | 09:53 |
| lbt | iekku: usernames should work ? | 09:53 |
| iekku | lbt, it seems not :/ | 09:53 |
| lbt | otherwise david carsten marko islam | 09:53 |
| lbt | should complete OK | 09:53 |
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| lbt | cpio: e2fsprogs-libs.rpm: Cannot stat: No such file or directory | 09:54 |
| lbt | fakeovs | 09:54 |
| iekku | as a login name is email addres and then there's real name | 09:54 |
| iekku | annoying :/ | 09:54 |
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| iekku | lbt, can't find iamwe/islam... | 09:55 |
| iekku | iamer... | 09:56 |
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| Bostik | oh, so that was the highlight.. didn't realise paimen was a coworker | 09:56 |
| lbt | iekku: pharon .... he's very conflicted | 09:57 |
| Paimen | Bostik: indeed I'm :P | 09:57 |
| iekku | now!!! | 09:57 |
| iekku | :D | 09:57 |
| phaeron | :) | 09:58 |
| iekku | phaeron, :X | 09:58 |
| iekku | :P | 09:58 |
| Bostik | yah, on holiday for the week | 09:58 |
| phaeron | iekku: what info do you need ? | 09:58 |
| iekku | ok, now there's 4 of you in the release_mgmt group | 09:58 |
| iekku | phaeron, nothing anymore | 09:58 |
| phaeron | well I went through various stages of evolution | 09:59 |
| Bostik | can get on IC even less frequently than during workdays | 09:59 |
| Paimen | yup I know you are on holiday, and WWDrakey has things under control we can look into this next week if we have something to push back to mer | 09:59 |
| iekku | lbt, now there's a flag for Release Blocker, everyone with editbugs right can suggess a flag and group: release_mgmt can grant it | 10:00 |
| lbt | thanks - can you pop something (from the backlog here) onto a wiki page and link that to the desc | 10:00 |
| lbt | just looking at the rsync from CI->cobs... that went OK | 10:06 |
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| lbt | ok | 10:12 |
| lbt | so I have the rpms in the obs-repos in the staging area... this is good | 10:13 |
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| lbt | http://releases.merproject.org/obs-repos/Core:armv7hl:0.20120419.1/Core_armv7hl/armv8el/ has e2fs* rpms | 10:14 |
| phaeron | lbt: check "rpm" rpm too | 10:15 |
| lbt | that ios there | 10:15 |
| lbt | v7hl | 10:15 |
| lbt | what arch is problematic | 10:15 |
| iekku | lbt, updated the Bug_lifecycle page | 10:16 |
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| lbt | iekku: ty :) | 10:16 |
| phaeron | lbt: for me 7hl is problematic | 10:16 |
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| lbt | OK ... this is odd | 10:21 |
| lbt | the rpm is present... mds is not serving it | 10:21 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | how can you tell? | 10:23 |
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| lbt | nohup.out says "cpio: e2fsprogs-libs.rpm: Cannot stat: No such file or directory" | 10:23 |
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| phaeron | dammit ran out of milk for the coffee | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | does e2fsprogs-libs.rpm exist in the given architecture | 10:24 |
| phaeron | brb | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | in obs-repos/ | 10:24 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | show me? | 10:24 |
| lbt | http://releases.merproject.org/obs-repos/Core:armv7hl:0.20120419.1/Core_armv7hl/armv8el/ | 10:24 |
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| * Stskeeps goes look | 10:25 | |
| lbt | so I checked in staging area... OK | 10:25 |
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| lbt | checked in releases ^^^ OK | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | check i586 | 10:25 |
| lbt | checked on MDS on cobs using ls | 10:25 |
| lbt | OK | 10:25 |
| lbt | re-ran rsync... all seems fine | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/obs-repos/Core:i586:0.20120419.1/Core_i586/i586/ | 10:26 |
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| Stskeeps | where's elfutils, e2fsprogs.. | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | noo, pastie.org :( | 10:28 |
| lbt | yeah | 10:28 |
| lbt | :( | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastebin.com/28Dz9V94 | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | that's from 'log' | 10:29 |
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| Stskeeps | so my bet is that we managed to get a classical OBS 0-size response | 10:29 |
| lbt | *grumble* | 10:30 |
| lbt | what state is CI in? | 10:31 |
| lbt | putting on a coffee and taking a breather ... bbiam | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | same as in .1 | 10:34 |
| lbt | OK - so we can re-grab the i586 | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:39 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: Did anything change with auth on cobs? api seems to not authenticate anymore? | 10:42 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: no, nothing like that has changed | 10:44 |
| X-Fade | Check cfe production log | 10:45 |
| lbt | all I see is some ReadAccessError: | 10:45 |
| lbt | api ? | 10:45 |
| X-Fade | yeah | 10:46 |
| lbt | they're fine - I read them as 404 or 403 | 10:46 |
| lbt | the projects don't exist | 10:46 |
| lbt | they're intermediate missing ones usually | 10:46 |
| X-Fade | Hmm now I can get the api call. | 10:47 |
| X-Fade | Weird. | 10:47 |
| lbt | X-Fade: I have seen a couple of "empty" responses | 10:48 |
| X-Fade | lbt: hmmm might be it. | 10:49 |
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| WWDrakey | Stskeeps: Okay tried out the newer version of Bootchart, looks like the question I had remains. Basically: At least in our platform, the bootchartd process itself is also shown in the results for different processes and their CPU/memory utilization. | 10:51 |
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| WWDrakey | I don't remember seeing this in other implementations of bootchart, so I guess they either have an option of dropping it out from the graph or just drop it out by default. | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | well, it does play a part naturally | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | as the numbers may not add up otherwise | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | sofar/auke's pretty easy to talk to, you can maybe catch him in #tizen in US time if you have a comment/feature request | 10:54 |
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| WWDrakey | It's not really an issue otherwise, but just struck my eyes, as we're analyzing quite a bare platform, and having the bootchartd process show up there as the highest consumer of resources seemed a bit off at first. I guess the CPU load can be tuned by slowing down the sampling rate etc. | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - are you sure you have all the kernel settings needed as well? | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | for data collection | 10:55 |
| WWDrakey | Yeah, I think so. At least all that was commented in the README's etc. Recompiled the kernel for this. | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | if you don't mind me asking, what kind of bootup performance are you guys getting? ie, boot to ui showing | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | i've not done analysis of this on mer recently, so | 10:57 |
| WWDrakey | Well, our platform doesn't actually boot up to UI currently, like I said, it's pretty bare ; ) | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | ah, fair enough | 10:58 |
| WWDrakey | Without UI we're getting something like ~6s, and will try to optimize that down further. | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: make sure you have proper class SD as well and prelink active | 11:01 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I think we'll need a complete release or we'll lose the -cross | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: OK | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | .2 | 11:02 |
| lbt | if CI hasn't changed we can still do it as .1 | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | up to you, i think it's a re-release | 11:03 |
| lbt | OK - I'll erase .1 then | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | and make a note to mer-general | 11:04 |
| sledges | hello :) | 11:10 |
| * sledges is digging in xorg-..-evdev source code and waiting for the blamy TS back | 11:11 | |
| sledges | in the meanwhile: how to enable mouse cursor visible in Lipstick QML ? | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: check what output you get from /dev/input/event* | 11:12 |
| jbos | mhm is obs / fakeobs down? | 11:13 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, about /dev/input/.. : I think I am getting ABS_PRESSURE only and not BTN_TOUCH, so even when evdev identifies the da9052-tsi correctly as touchscreen, no touch events come through (just the mouse moves to where it was touched) | 11:13 |
| jbos | http://paste.jeremiasbosch.de/show.php?id=1028 | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | jbos: we're debugging some things right now as there was packages lost | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | see mer-general@ mailing list notification | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | jbos: that warning is normal, though | 11:14 |
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| jbos | so currently there is no osc build in SDK possible cause of this? | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | preparing download ... -- how long did you wait? | 11:17 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps, the mouse cursor is there at the beginning, but Lipstick disables it after a short while (hence no lines "xopts=-nocursor" in uxlaunch..) | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: remove xopts=-nocursor for sure | 11:18 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, it is removed (since the beginning of my lipstick.ks :)) | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | there is something about show cursor environment variable.. | 11:19 |
| sledges | so i see the cursor while still in xterm | 11:19 |
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| sledges | oh, it disappears after a minute or so, while still in xterm (lipstick is not guilty :)) | 11:22 |
| vgrade | sledges, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=allow-cursor-control-env.patch&package=libmeegotouch&project=CE%3AMW%3AMTF&rev=4318c31148aa79b3543fd1e613786b90 | 11:23 |
| sledges | vgrade, thank you, so where is the best way to put `export M_USE_SHOW_CURSOR=1` in Mer? | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | /etc/profile.d | 11:27 |
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| sledges | it works, vgrade! brilliantly thank you, finally can demonstrate Lipstick on a vga screen, while my LCD+TS are gone :) | 11:32 |
| sledges | cheers Stskeeps for the profile.d! | 11:33 |
| vgrade | slaine, yw | 11:34 |
| * slaine looks up from the xinput script he's working on | 11:34 | |
| slaine | what's up vgrade | 11:34 |
| vgrade | sry slaine, wrong nick | 11:35 |
| slaine | lol, no worries | 11:35 |
| vgrade | sledges, yw | 11:35 |
| sledges | ;) | 11:35 |
| slaine | don't suppose there's any xinput experts in the channel? | 11:35 |
| sledges | slaine, xinput told me off yesterday with "XI2 not supported". end of story :) | 11:36 |
| slaine | hehe | 11:36 |
| slaine | I'm shocked that there doesn't seem to be a way to get the device input path from xinput | 11:36 |
| sledges | hmmm, on vga screen lipstick is unacceptably slow... :(SATA disk is running through USB, took ~25 seconds to load SMS) | 11:39 |
| sledges | (imx53, glestest reports 45FPS) | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | vga = ? | 11:42 |
| sledges | video=mxcdi1fb:GBR24,VGA-XGA di1_primary vga | 11:42 |
| sledges | sorry, 35FPS... | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so what resolution? | 11:43 |
| sledges | 1024x768 | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: can you try lipstick with lipstick -graphicssystem opengl ? | 11:44 |
| sroedal | what does lipstick use? QGraphicsView? | 11:46 |
| sledges | hmm, I went into Lipstick->settings. what's the shortcut to back into the main menu?.. | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: there's settings? :o | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | sroedal: we have something a little awkward on some devices, so just checking something | 11:47 |
| sledges | :D yes, where i gor primarily | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | sroedal: it should be using a opengl viewport, i think | 11:47 |
| sledges | settings->about my device->about product - long scrolling list - perfect for benchmarking | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | (w00t?) | 11:47 |
| sroedal | Stskeeps: just wondering in the context of Qt 5, where graphicssystems are gone | 11:47 |
| sledges | and that does not behave smoothly.. | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: ah, that's not lipstick.. that's the settings app | 11:47 |
| sledges | ? | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: lipstick is the homescreen | 11:48 |
| sledges | ok | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | settings = a settings app | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | if that's slow, that's another issue | 11:48 |
| sledges | then i misconceptualised it :) | 11:48 |
| sledges | so lipstick is rock solid | 11:48 |
| sroedal | Stskeeps: but as long as it has an opengl viewport it should work fine, maybe we could even do some platform plugin optimizations to not allocate resources for the QGraphicsView itself | 11:48 |
| sledges | sms app loads for ~36seconds :( | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: yes, that's the nemo apps | 11:48 |
| sledges | roger | 11:48 |
| sledges | which as you once mentioned, are heavy | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | sroedal: :nod: we're just on qt4 with this though | 11:49 |
| sledges | wonder what I could scribble for a [QML] demo then.. | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: well, lipstick is qml ;) | 11:49 |
| sledges | of course :) but showing only lipstick is not enough | 11:50 |
| sledges | maybe a photo shuffler | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | checked 'qmlgallery' ? | 11:50 |
| * sledges doh! | 11:50 | |
| Stskeeps | or our flickr apps | 11:50 |
| sroedal | Stskeeps: just thinking ahead :p | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | sroedal: good ;) | 11:54 |
| sledges | 6 FPS on List, Grids and Popups->Speech Bubbles :{ | 11:57 |
| * sledges is eager to optimise, but need to find major bottlenecks first | 11:58 | |
| Stskeeps | sledges: in where... | 11:58 |
| sledges | Widgets Gallery->... | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | ok, can you launch widgetsgallery -graphicssystem opengl from terminal ? | 11:59 |
| sledges | is still nemo? :) | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | it's libmeegotouch | 11:59 |
| sledges | ok will try | 11:59 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, widgetsgallery -graphicssystem opengl: assertion failed 0; coredumped | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: ok, progress | 12:00 |
| sledges | ;) | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: so, you can't assume you'll get any proper performance out of libmeegotouch-based applications | 12:01 |
| sledges | due to the way it is using GLES, even though glestest works.... | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | due to pandora's box of issues | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | we even have problems on pandaboard | 12:02 |
| sledges | are you making a pun, Stskeeps ? :) | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | not intentionally | 12:02 |
| sroedal | it's a bit risky to use -graphicssystem opengl and simultaneously a glwidget viewport I think | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | can you try the QmlWidgetsGallery? | 12:02 |
| sroedal | with -graphicssystem opengl you shouldn't use a glwidget viewport | 12:02 |
| sledges | ful error: widgetsgallery: /u/build/nightly_build/build/ltib/rpm/BUILD/amd-gpu-src-11.09.01/driver/build/linux/mx51/../../../es20/src/gl2_framebufferobject.c:1867: glEGLImageTargetTexture2DOES: Assertion `0' failed. | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: heh, woops | 12:03 |
| sledges | probably still a flaky gles driver (amd_gpu), can't push the envelope.. | 12:04 |
| sledges | i will try to patch it and rebuild (patched the kernel only so far, as was calmed down by the glestest working) | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: check out the QmlWidgetsGallery first | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | or whatever the name is | 12:05 |
| sledges | via lipstick? no such command in the prompt | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | there should be a QML Widgets gallery too | 12:05 |
| sledges | i see only dialer,lock,people,meego video,xterm,settings,sms,boosted wg, and Widgets Gallery (which is the same widgetsgallery) | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | ok, moment.. | 12:06 |
| sledges | thanks :) | 12:07 |
| phaeron | lbt: ping. .2 release eta ? | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: usually takes about an hour, then it has to be transferred to cobs | 12:07 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: thanks | 12:11 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, how to make lipstick -not- to use opengl ? (for a test) | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: not sure you'll have fun with that - besides that, that isn't the problem | 12:16 |
| sledges | just wanted to see the performance difference, if any (while flicking best benchmark) | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | sledges: install qt-components package | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | that'll give you qml components | 12:23 |
| * sledges thinkgs it's time to learn how to install stuff (zypper?), and add Mer repositories first (no idea :)) | 12:24 | |
| Stskeeps | you should have those repos already | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | and 'zypper in' | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | or add it in %packages | 12:24 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: finished on ci minutes ago | 12:26 |
| lbt | grep cpio log looks clean :) | 12:26 |
| sledges | oh wow, "IT JUST WORKS!" :)) | 12:26 |
| lbt | make update on MDS now | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/n950-lipstick.ks | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | wow, this tearing effect on n9/n950 really is annoying | 12:31 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps, QmlComponentsGallery is accelerated!! great! | 12:34 |
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| * Stskeeps preps his marketing kit.. n9 with lipstick, business cards, printouts of lipstick qml ui source code, touchpad with 'a day made of glass' videos.. | 13:00 | |
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| sledges | ;D where're you off to? | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | http://2012.front-trends.com/ | 13:08 |
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| lbt | +T-shirt | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 13:14 |
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| sledges | uuhh i wish my imx was ready for that, no? ;) | 13:16 |
| sledges | could make a video at least.. | 13:17 |
| sledges | good luck Stskeeps all the best and we're with you :) | 13:21 |
| sledges | flickr-qml is not finding any pictures :( (connection is OK) | 13:22 |
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| Stskeeps | dns too? | 13:23 |
| sledges | yes | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 13:23 |
| sledges | ping google.com works like charm | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | check .xsession-errors ? | 13:23 |
| sledges | nothing :{ | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | use another demo? ;) | 13:24 |
| sledges | :D yes | 13:24 |
| sledges | give me an instance please (I liked the widgetsgallery picturesque demo, but it is not acceld.. and QtWidgetsGallery don't do pictures..) | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | qtflyingbus? ;) | 13:25 |
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| sledges | :D actually graphics is not smooth... :{ | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 13:30 |
| sledges | -graphicssubsystem opengl but still stuttering gamepley | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | well, avoid opengl for qtflyingbus | 13:31 |
| sledges | how, it picks it up by default | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | well | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | i meant, adding the graphicssystem stuff | 13:31 |
| sledges | dereference *GLES*? :) | 13:32 |
| sledges | tried without, still same | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:32 |
| sledges | world is cruel :)) | 13:32 |
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| sledges | flickr-qml is working!!! | 13:36 |
| sledges | just had to leave it be for a minute or so :)) | 13:36 |
| sledges | doesn't like the opengl bit (just got stuck..) without which it is sluggish :} | 13:38 |
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| sledges | hmm flickr-qml -graphicssystem opengl says QEglContext::swapBuffers(): "Bad surface (0x300D)" multiple times (before crash?) | 14:02 |
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| Stskeeps | the graphicssystem was just a test to see if it was possible to update libmeegotouch apps | 14:10 |
| sledges | ah | 14:10 |
| lbt | .2 still churning away ... FYI | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:11 |
| * sledges needs an accelerated picture flicking demo, or probably end up doing one myself.. just by forking and modifying what now works great (QtComponentsGallery) | 14:11 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: saw http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-overview.svg , http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-systemd.svg btw? | 14:13 |
| lbt | yes, they're getting to be communicative :) | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 14:13 |
| sledges | nice diagrams Stskeeps :) | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | got a script that automatically changes Group: of .spec/yaml's | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | so this is actually output from a image .packages | 14:14 |
| sledges | 8) | 14:15 |
| * lbt finally fixes icinga alert emails | 14:15 | |
| Stskeeps | over time we can put D-Bus interfaces etc there as well, hopefully | 14:16 |
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| sledges | how can you demo Mer for HTML5 ? (front-end-important Stskeeps ;)) | 14:37 |
| Bostik | sledges: qtwebkit 2.2+ as base, perhaps? (wait for couple of weeks and I'll get the qt5-qtwebkit module included...) | 14:38 |
| * sledges waiting ;) | 14:38 | |
| sledges | cheers Bostik , good to know it is being worked on and that is you :) | 14:40 |
| Bostik | sledges: we have most of qt5 Ə1 in shape for review+inclusion, but I know from *painful* experience that webkit is a complete bitch to build | 14:41 |
| Bostik | hence it's virtually guaranteed to take some time, but if I get to work on it after next week, I'm pretty sure we have it ready in time for qt5.0.0 final :) | 14:42 |
| sledges | is qt5 going to be with QML2 and full opengl rendering system? | 14:44 |
| sledges | or am I talking apples and bananas? :) | 14:44 |
| Bostik | that's the default, yes | 14:45 |
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| sledges | bet is being a headache to test on every GPU.. or at least definitely -will- be one :) | 14:45 |
| Bostik | aye! | 14:45 |
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| Stskeeps | sledges: would phonegap work? | 14:50 |
| sledges | looks like some porting's ahead, Stskeeps. all I see in phonegap's source tarball are subdirs: android,bada,blackerry,ios,symbian,webos,windows | 14:57 |
| sledges | bada being potential candidate to start butchering/gutting :) | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: not really, sec | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.qt-project.org/PhoneGap_for_Qt_5 | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | we have it running on nemo already | 15:03 |
| sledges | brilliant Stskeeps | 15:03 |
| sledges | help me sort this out with OBS: what happens if i start building qt-components against "Mer armv7 softfp port" repository (instead of the current CE_MW_Shared_armv7l one) in order to run it on Lipstick Mer build, -- build errors? | 15:05 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, phonegap.Nemo is not on OBS? | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: build errors. need to build against similar targets as the qt-components was | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: phonegap for harmattan, use qmake and co | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | not sure it's packaged | 15:07 |
| sledges | on phonegap: understood | 15:07 |
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| sledges | on obs: still can't get my head around in this repo world (legacy meego stuff and lipstick and co) | 15:07 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html , browse through that | 15:08 |
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| Stskeeps | specially Project meta | 15:08 |
| sledges | so building qt-components against Mer fails due to "unresolved: 1": nothing provides pkgconfig(mailit) - so when does mailit actually appear in the final lipstick.ks rootfs? during mic? that everything just works in the end :) | 15:09 |
| sledges | hope I explained my lostness clearly enough :) | 15:10 |
| sledges | s/mailit/maiit-1.0/ | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so, in OBS, it looks at build requirements, and when building a binary it'll then refer to maliit libraries, and in rpm this gets noticed and is added to the dependency description of the rpm | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | so maliit gets pulled in at image build time | 15:11 |
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| sledges | or whenever i install the first rpm which needs it | 15:12 |
| sledges | aye? :D | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | correct - take a look at output of rpm -q --requires -p *.rpm at some point | 15:13 |
| sledges | thank you Stskeeps , that was a very important piece of information | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | when RPM doesn't figure it out itself, we tell it to | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | you see http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-systemd.svg ? | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | feature means that the binary depended on a library the other package provides | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | file means the other package provides a file (/bin/sh) that the package needs | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | package means it explicitly requires that package | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | because the .spec says it should | 15:15 |
| Alison_Chaiken | vgrade, I installed your gpsd package and I put in some udev rules. | 15:16 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | How are you getting a /dev/gps0 for gpsd? Running udevadm by hand? | 15:16 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps, all clear! :) cheers | 15:43 |
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| sledges | when I built qt-components against CE_MW_Shared_armv7l , the repo says "There are no cycles in this repository." and "Go to download repository" says "404 - Not Found".. | 15:51 |
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| sledges | false alarm, apologies | 15:52 |
| sledges | (have to go through the -package's-/Repositories tab) | 15:52 |
| kov | so, I was taking a peek at this ohm thing, the repo in gitorious seems to imply it was to be obsoleted by something else, anyone has a clue whether that happened and what has taken it place? is it still used in mer? | 15:52 |
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| phryk | Hi there. Just came from the website and find the info a bit sparse. I would like to know how suited it is for my n900. | 16:03 |
| phryk | Most interesting would be of course what hardware is *not* supported. | 16:04 |
| sledges | phryk, most probably what you are looking for is Nemo Mobile (it run on Mer as its base) | 16:06 |
| phryk | sledges: Ah thanks. | 16:06 |
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| burro | wifi & cam definitely work on nemo | 16:06 |
| sledges | phryk, have fun (you will, loads :)) | 16:07 |
| phryk | sledges: Only if I don't need an sd card to install (which i doubt) or if someone here has a card for me :P | 16:07 |
| sledges | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N900 | 16:08 |
| sledges | phryk, ^ | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | phryk: so, Mer is a core which doesn't contain hardware adaptations and UI, Nemo provides hardware adaptations for X86, N900/N950/N9 and pandaboard, so those pages usually lists what work and what doesn't | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | kov: we use ohm and resource framework in Nemo, but the story is supposedly that the entire team got hired by Intel around Nokia's feb11.. | 16:09 |
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| Stskeeps | kov: so i'm not sure if it's a sane upstream.. but it is a mighty powerful piece of software | 16:09 |
| phryk | Stskeeps: I'm already in the nemo channel :) | 16:09 |
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| Stskeeps | phryk: good ;) | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | phryk: i meant wiki pages :) | 16:10 |
| phryk | I'm on the wiki as well ;) | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | phryk: either way: gps needs some work, bluetooth is current broken due to power management conflict, tv out works to some extent but not out of the box | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | ad-hoc networks don't work with connman | 16:12 |
| phryk | I haven't used ad-hoc wifi on a single occasion, gps would be nice, never used bluetooth… | 16:14 |
| phryk | Minimum of working stuff would be working internet, telephony and camera | 16:14 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, why is this not created (http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/sledge:/branches:/home:/stskeeps:/branches:/CE:/Apps/CE_MW_Shared_armv7l) meanwhile this is: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binaries?package=qt-components&project=home%3Asledge%3Abranches%3Ahome%3Astskeeps%3Abranches%3ACE%3AApps&repository=CE_MW_Shared_armv7l ? | 16:15 |
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| * sledges going home, will check the logs :) cheerio! | 16:21 | |
| kov | Stskeeps, I see, thanks =) | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | phryk: should work | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | kov: what are you hoping to use it for? | 16:27 |
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| kov | Stskeeps, I'm looking for ways of pumping the priority of applications depending on context or in response to events and started researching existing solutions, a colleague brought ohm and libresource to my attention | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:40 |
| kov | I noticed it was kinda abandoned in gitorious since late 2010, except for a push in 2012 | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | they are pretty powerful, if you can get past the prolog :) | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | haven't seen anything like it in oss since | 16:40 |
| kov | heh, yeah, my colleague was like 'you will not be able to guess what language it uses' | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | the n900 hardware adaptation has a open implementation with rules and all | 16:41 |
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| jonwil | seems like ohm and friends is one of those bits of software that is closed source on the N900 but was opened up in a heavily changed form for MeeGo work | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | not 'heavily', from what i recall | 17:09 |
| jonwil | ok | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, they were opened up for meego, | 17:09 |
| jonwil | sounds like it might be more useful on Fremantle than, say, MeeGo MCE is then | 17:09 |
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| jonwil | :) | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | uncertain | 17:09 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | moo CosmoHill | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | did you find out more about mpfr and gmp and such? | 17:10 |
| CosmoHill | woof Stskeeps | 17:10 |
| jonwil | doesnt ohm tie into pulseaudio in places? | 17:10 |
| jonwil | or am I thinking of some other part of the system? | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: it does, but i believe those parts are open | 17:10 |
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| jonwil | so much code out there that might be interesting for Fremantle (and especially CSSU). Just recently for example someone managed to get hold of Fremantle version of tablet-browser-daemon and browser-neteal code :) | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: just remember that by actively using leaked code, people may taint their involvement in other oss software.. | 17:14 |
| * Stskeeps just believes we should be making it easy for small to medium enterprises to do good devices, quickly | 17:15 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:15 |
| jonwil | true although it was uploaded to http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/ by the guy who wrote it AND it has MPL license headers on it so I wouldn't exactly call it "leaked" | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | 'guy who wrote it'? | 17:16 |
| jonwil | let me find the reference | 17:17 |
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| jonwil | I think it was referring to the listed maintainer of the package in question | 17:17 |
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| Stskeeps | reason i'm a little iffy about it is that the people i know who worked with that, are long gone from nokia :P | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | where do you see tablet-browser-daemon? | 17:19 |
| * lbt grumbles at skynet | 17:19 | |
| jonwil | What Pali said about it was "I wrote to MicroB developer and he updated source code of some PR1.3 MicroB packages on garage project, see:" | 17:22 |
| jonwil | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=browser | 17:22 |
| jonwil | tablet-browser-daemon is in https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/client-server/trunk/server/?root=browser | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok, romaxa might be more legit | 17:22 |
| jonwil | but yeah I dont think I know of any cases where N900 code was leaked as such | 17:25 |
| jonwil | unless you count e.g. the copy of MCE for some pre-MeeGo OS that was posted somewhere on repository.maemo.org | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that one was more fun :) | 17:26 |
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| jonwil | There is (or was) also at one point source code for an unknown version of the Harmattan messaging-ui out there somewhere that I saw once while trawling the internet looking for anywhere where usefull-for-n900 code may be hiding | 17:34 |
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| jonwil | maybe one of these days hell will freeze over and I will end up with source code for connui-home-cellular :P | 17:44 |
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| vgrade | pelagicore pick up ex nokia ivi Qt team, http://www.pelagicore.com/news-pelagicore-starts-munich-office.html | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | ah, interesting | 17:54 |
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| Stskeeps | though not too surprising | 17:56 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | How far behind can a Silicon Valley Pelagicore office be? | 18:04 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Anton Narusberg just joined my Silicon Valley Automotive Open Source Group. | 18:04 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | vgrade, did you see my question about gpsd? | 18:05 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Are you creating /dev/gps0 by hand? | 18:05 |
| Alison_Chaiken | The udev rules that I usually use for gpsd are not working for some reason. | 18:05 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: do you know if there's a kernel interface / tty for the GPS on the G9 that spits out NMEA? | 18:07 |
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| * dm8tbr wonders what the chip is | 18:08 | |
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| dm8tbr | hopefully it's not related to that nl-somethign-something that was in the gen7 and the N900 | 18:08 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm starting to get the hang of this AgileBrowser thing - http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/GraphicsX11.png , Mer Graphics/X11 in context (users and what it uses) | 18:11 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | The USB chip in the G9 you mean? The GPSes are mostly FTDI. | 18:12 |
| Alison_Chaiken | We need an lsamba (ls-amba) to go along with lshw. A /sys introspection tool for ARM. | 18:13 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Note to self: write one, you lazy girl, after finishing >500 other good ideas for projects. | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | ugh, wl1283 | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: i have a nasty feeling that the gps functionality is hidden behind some TI blob that the general public don't traditionally have access to | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | if you're lucky, you'll find it speaking NMEA on a tty, but .. | 18:21 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Was just wondering since vgrade packaged gpsd for mer and has used the Archos tab. | 18:24 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | And he is a superhero with frightening powers. | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | that he is | 18:25 |
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| vgrade | Alison_Chaiken, sry I missed the Q | 18:45 |
| vgrade | It was built against Mer in my general work on initial Plasma Active so I have no other exp than that I'm afrid | 18:46 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I figured out the problem, vgrade: usb devices are /dev/usbdevx.x, not /dev/ttyUSBx, so scripts are failing. | 18:47 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, those diagrams are great btw, | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: thanks, i'll expand http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Architecture with them probably | 19:10 |
| vgrade | really helps me with understanding how things fit together | 19:16 |
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| Sage | Me ponders the pvr output of nexus http://pastebin.com/10ZNCAdZ | 20:33 |
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| Sage | the /dev/dri/ dir is empty. I wonder if there should be something | 20:34 |
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| phaeron | Sage: there should be , right ? | 20:48 |
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| Sage | not sure / | 21:09 |
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| lbt | Sage: ping | 21:19 |
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| Sage | lbt: pong | 21:20 |
| lbt | I'm updating cairo | 21:21 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=cairo.spec&package=cairo&project=home%3Albt%3Abranches%3AMer.MDS%3ACore%3Ai486&rev=2c91f74513f840122b4478a96fdcef59 | 21:21 |
| lbt | is the spec | 21:21 |
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| lbt | I have /usr/lib/cairo/cairo-fdr.so[.0[0.0]] files | 21:21 |
| lbt | and cairo-sphinc | 21:21 |
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| lbt | cairo-sphinx even ... | 21:22 |
| lbt | I think cairo-sphinx is a util to go alongside the trace util | 21:22 |
| * Sage waits for the question | 21:22 | |
| lbt | but I thought .so.0 and .so.0.0 files went in -devel | 21:22 |
| Sage | .so files to -devel rest to lib | 21:23 |
| lbt | ta | 21:23 |
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| CosmoHill | my arms! | 21:52 |
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| phaeron | Sage: usually there are two device nodes there http://pastebin.com/Nfuv7Wm9 | 21:55 |
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