Wednesday, 2012-04-18

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Stskeepshello beast04:39
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Stskeepsmorn iekku04:51
E-Pmorning iekku, Stskeeps04:52
iekkumorning gentlemen04:52
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iekku(i spoke to you E-P and Stskeeps :P )04:52
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E-Piekku: :)04:59
E-Ptimoph: could you submit tr-lite and test-definition to mer:tools:testing?05:01
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timophE-P: I can05:40
E-Ptimoph: thanks, you have them nicely packaged already in your home :)05:41
timophE-P: I push tr-lite first but I'm going to change test-definition's packaging a bit before pushing it forward05:41
timoph(include the results transformation)05:41
timophand s/meego/mer/05:41
timophI'll also push eat05:42
timophbetter to get them out of my home05:42
E-Pthat would be nice05:43
E-Pyou make the test-definition changes to gitorious?05:43
timophthe meego -> mer renaming needs to be done there05:44
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timophactually I'm thinking what would be a good way to leave it generic05:44
timophso that whoever uses it can easily set the displayed name05:45
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timophwe would introduce an install script that takes it as a parameter05:45
E-Pwhere the name is displayed, in the results?05:45
timophbig bold letters in the top right corner05:46
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E-Pcould we leave the original xsl without any name or just generic name?05:48
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E-Pand change that to Mer in mer git?05:48
E-Palso if we want to change the theme of the results later in Mer05:49
Stskeeps / spec05:49
E-Ptimoph: so maybe the install script is not bad idea :)05:49
Stskeepsor perhaps a vendor field in results.xml05:51
E-Ptimoph: the xsl file has many urls to, those we need to change at somepoint05:51
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Stskeepsi could easily imagine a vendor will do both mer and product results05:51
timophyeah. I think it's pulling graphics or something from there05:52
timoph(haven't looked)05:52
timophE-P: smells like a new bug to me :)05:52
E-Ptimoph: yes, stylesheet stuff05:52
E-PI can file05:52
timophhmmh. Maybe I'll just push the stuff we currently have so it's easier for other people to contribute05:53
timophas is that is05:53
* timoph waiting for osc co to finish05:54
timophI have too much stuff in my home project :/05:54
E-Pand creating tags to gitorious05:54
timophyou can do that as well :)05:54
E-P(I really need a linux computer to work)05:55
E-Pcannot do anything without it05:55
* timoph uses a virtual machine at work05:55
E-Pnot allowed here :/05:55
timophE-P: that's just sad05:56
Stskeepscan always rent a cheap hetzner virtual machine05:56
E-PStskeeps: looking05:57
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Stskeepsfor smallest05:59
timophif you just needs a shell then kapsi might be a good choice (~30e/year)05:59
E-PStskeeps: not bad price at all06:03
Stskeepswith free traffic an LAN access to mer servers too ;)06:03
timopheat sr#475006:05
timophI'll update test-definition and sr it next...06:05
timophbut first some air..06:06
E-PI guess lbt can accept those request?06:09
Stskeepsyeah, think he will when awake06:16
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timophtest-definition sr#4751 (now also install the results transformation)06:26
timophtestrunner-lite sr#475206:28
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E-Ptimoph: thanks06:28
timophso let's start filing bugs against those versions :)06:29
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niqtmorning all06:30
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timophE-P: did you look closer on what the test-definition xsl links to meego are? something that we need to host somewhere else?06:31
E-Ptimoph: jquery and css stylesheets, and then syntax.xsl has link to at least06:31
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E-Pwe should host the default css stylesheets somewhere, and vendors can use their own if they want to06:32
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E-Pthe result.xls uses the same stylesheet as qa-reports06:33
vgradeStskeeps, where do I find kickstarter tools to make a ks?06:33
slainemorning all06:34
vgrademorning slaine06:34
slainehey vgrade06:34
timophE-P: so there's some work to be done. dunno if we need to do much changes to the stylesheet, etc. but anyway06:35
E-Ptimoph: yes, let's see how we solve that, not big priority at the moment06:36
timophon a related note, do we want the results to look good offline as well?06:38
E-PI think that would be nice to have, but not investing much effort on that06:39
timophyeah. just something to keep in mind06:39
E-Pyou can file a bug about that :)06:40
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timophwas just wondering is that worth filing06:40
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iekkutimoph, why not, as a memo it would be good06:47
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timophcan someone add me to the default cc list for qa tools bugs?06:52
vgradeStskeeps, found them now06:55
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iekkutimoph, to all qa-tools components?07:03
timophiekku: there are not that many so yes :)07:03
timophmakes it easier to follow what's going on07:04
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iekkutimoph, what is you username?07:06
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timophiekku: guess? :) (hint: you just said it)07:10
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iekkucan't find you07:10
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iekkunow i managed to find, needed to skip ph07:11
iekkutimoph, now you are default cc07:12
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* timoph filed #314 (the offline results transformation thing)07:23
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Stskeepsanyone with a standard 'osc' and non-mer 'build' on their PC with a who wants to check something for me?07:34
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Stskeepsgood morning sonach07:41
sonachStskeeps: good morning!07:41
Stskeepssonach: do you know the company/shop IKEA?07:42
sonachStskeeps: 'IKEA' seems to be abbreviations of many items, I don't quite sure,07:43
Stskeepssonach: ah, it's a swedish shop that sells furniture all over the world07:43
sonachStskeeps: why do you mention this? I am very curious...07:44
Stskeepssonach: reason why i'm asking is because of this: - they're going to make furniture with smart TV inside07:44
Stskeepsbased on TCL chinese tv07:44
sroedalyep, saw that07:44
timophE-P: I think I'll just remove the logo completely from the git version07:45
timophE-P: leaving the element there but with src="" and alt=""07:45
Stskeepssonach: the company is famously known for having many different designs, so it's an interesting direction for them - because computers are going to be more in your home and surroundings, why not in furniture :)07:46
sonachslaine: TCL is one of the six TV vendors I mentioned before.  And this system seems to be a kind of 'furnish' when people decorate their new home07:50
sonachStskeeps: Do you know what OS of the Smart TV they are using?07:51
Stskeepssonach: no, sadly07:51
sonachslaine: hi, On you Mer OBS VM setup guide, you mentioned "the br0 device should be up with an IP from the LAN's dhcp server". So there must be a dhcp server in the LAN?07:52
slaineWell, you could use a fixed IP if you don't have any network infrastructure07:52
sonachStskeeps: Now TCL's most smart TVs on sell are running Android. And Now Mstar only provides Android framework APIs for TV vendors. Only on a few platforms Mstar provides linux SDKs.07:54
Stskeepsi'll upload the video for you of the IKEA thing07:54
sonachStskeeps: But for STBs, Android will not be the first choise:)07:56
sonachslaine: So, br0 is only used for the buildhost, not for the VMs?07:57
Stskeepssonach: , 7mb07:57
slainesonach: Yup07:59
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iekkuhi andre__08:14
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timophhmmh. I'm actually not sure if we even need the css stuff with the results08:16
timophdoesn't look that bad offline08:16
timophalthough the graphs don't work..08:20
andre__Hola iekku!08:22
Stskeepsi'll ask again: anyone with a standard 'osc' and non-mer 'build' on their PC with a who wants to check something for me?08:22
E-Ptimoph: I would like to have the css, looks bit nicer :)08:23
timophE-P: yeah. I'm just looking how it behaves if we make tr-lite always write the reference to the xls08:25
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E-Pnod, looking your merge request08:25
* timoph lunch. bbl08:25
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lbtStskeeps: I can get a non-mer system up08:32
lbttimoph: SRs accepted08:32
Stskeepslbt: ok, please test the debian_6.0_standard build08:32
Stskeepsi cannot see how my patches can cause that08:32
Stskeepsof 'mic'08:32
Stskeepson a local osc build08:33
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Stskeepslbt: i've seen a mailing list post reporting a similar problem, on opensuse build service mailing list08:35
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E-Ptimoph: I commented the merge request08:36
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lbtStskeeps: ie:   ....../cobs/Mer:Tools:Testing/mic$ osc build mic.dsc Debian_6.0_standard     x86_6408:37
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lbtjust less in the cache....08:37
Stskeepsand --lcean08:37
lbtyes, it's clean08:38
lbtI don't tend to build for Debian anymore :)08:38
lbtand of course my desktop has standard build08:38
lbt2011.10.10-1 (which is the Debian version .... as a good starting point)08:39
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lbtStskeeps: sorry, local build finished just fine :/08:52
lbtwhat error do you get?08:53
Stskeepsdpkg-source: warning: extracting unsigned source package (mic_0.4.dsc)08:53
Stskeepsdpkg-source: info: extracting mic in mic-0.408:53
Stskeepsdpkg-source: info: unpacking mic_0.4.orig.tar.gz08:53
Stskeepsdpkg-source: info: applying mic_0.4.diff.gz08:53
Stskeepsdpkg-source: error: expected ^@@ at line 155 of diff `./mic_0.4.diff.gz'08:53
Stskeepsi even get that in the chroot08:54
Stskeepswhich is really bizarre08:54
lbtgrumble pastie won't take my log08:54
lbtbbiab ... our drains are broken and the builder is here....08:55
lbthere's my build log08:55
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Stskeepshello chris19023890183 (wow, that's a complex nick)08:57
chris19023890183Hi, chris was taken so... :)08:59
Stskeepsso what brings you here?09:00
chris19023890183Anyhow, got interested on trying to run Nemo on N900 after messing around with MaeMeeMo-project09:01
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Macerlimia 900.... is awesome09:02
Macerjust when you thought nokia was on the brink :-)09:02
chris19023890183The phone is probably great but I'm not that fond of MS-products (I don't own a single MS product and I don't intend to change that in the near future either..) ;-)09:03
Bostikoy, MS-branded split-ergo keyboard is the only one available09:05
E-Puh, I had that kind of keyboard.. it was good09:06
chris19023890183Oh well, yes. They also have (or had) a great mouse. I was though more thinking about their software products09:06
chris19023890183Is there any news/info on how mature Nemo is on N900?09:12
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slainechris19023890183: should probably go to #nemomobile for those queries09:17
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chris19023890183Ah, ok! Thanks!09:18
niqtdo we can do the same with nemo (here says Android)?
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E-PStskeeps, lbt, timoph: I added some basic stuff to
E-PI will also post that url to mailing list for tomorrow's qa meeting09:34
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* l3i wonders how he can reset his password for the Mer wiki having left email field empty when creating an account09:39
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timophE-P: I'll change the bugzilla hostname to in upstream09:42
timophE-P: actually I think I'll take back the mergereq and start working on the "build/install/confuguration" script for it09:43
timophthat should fix that issue too09:43
Stskeepsl3i: prod alterego later09:44
E-Ptimoph: ok, we should define what belongs to upstream and what not09:44
timophE-P: yeah09:44
E-Ptimoph: I would like to keep the upstream as generic as possible, but that is not always possible09:46
timophyep. that's my thinking as well09:47
timophso things like bugzilla, logo, etc. are things that clearly belong to the configurable things09:47
l3iStskeeps: Hmm, didn't quite get that.. The thing is, I created an account for myself, forgot the password, and didn't have email listed09:47
timophalthough we might provide some default logo, etc.09:48
E-PI agree09:48
E-Pl3i: alterego maintains the mer wiki, he can help you09:49
l3iE-P: Ok, I see09:49
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lbtBostik: I'm with chris19023890183 ... but I'm more than happy to type on my MS 4000 keyboard - I don't begrudge them the kb market ;)09:51
Bostiklbt: true enough, I don't have any MS software (to my knowledge) in my household but good hardware is hard to come by and MS can't really cripple a keyboard...09:53
timophE-P: just thinking how to do the configuration in a clean straight forward way09:53
timophE-P: maybe we'll just add ie. as the bugzilla hostname and do sed replace on it during the configuration09:54
timophalthought the replaced things need to be unique..09:55
E-Ptimoph: or with patch09:55
l3iI'll not be able to join the QA meeting tomorrow either (in case it's at 2 or 3pm Finnish time)09:58
E-Pl3i: it is this time at 14 Finnish time09:59
l3iOk, then no luck.. even before noon would have been difficult, though. So I'll just not be there09:59
E-Pif you have some ideas to the mapping, you could send a post to mailing list10:00
l3iE-P: Ok10:01
lbtStskeeps: fyi building in the Mer SDK fails for debian for a different reason... -su: cd /usr/src/packages/BUILD && dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot-tcp : No such file or directory10:01
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Stskeepslbt: yes, that one is known10:02
lbtuse of su ?10:03
lbtosc chroot Debian_6.0_standard ;  then cd /usr/src/packages/BUILD && dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot-tcp    works10:04
l3iE-P: I'd prefer an approach as simple as possible at this stage. I'd maybe use a "plain" text file in Git over XML or a database for the mappings, and use test packages for all tests10:04
lbtl3i: +110:04
E-Pl3i: thanks for the input, that sounds reasonable10:05
* lbt suggests that when you look at the mapping there will be a need to describe the relationship10:05
lbtie given PkgA:TestA and PkgA:TestB   when do you run TestA and when TestB ?10:06
l3ilbt: I'd have separate mapping files for different main testing processes/stages10:07
lbtpersonally I'd thought about describing the test ... ie "needs tcp, takes 4hrs"10:08
l3ilbt: Yes, of course, descriptions should be included somehow10:08
lbtwell, if we could decide on some key criteria as to *why* we run different tests at different stages then we could flag them10:09
lbt"needs human input"10:09
lbtone key thing is that everything should be parseable to allow automated decision making10:10
lbtand ideally it allows a decision... not records the results of a decision10:10
l3ilbt: Yep, I agree10:10
lbtso I mean the reason for putting a test in every post-build vs release only10:11
l3ilbt: But the mapping data should still all also be as human-readable as possible10:11
lbtl3i: yep - I wouldn't be surprised if text became json quite soon10:11
lbtand if there were a range of readable keywords10:11
lbtbut that's solution :)10:12
l3ilbt: Yep, maybe still too early for that level of detail. Maybe a few iterations required10:12
lbtso Stskeeps... are you working on this build issue?10:13
l3ilbt: Actually I think I'll get a bit more into json, as I don't know much about that yet actually10:14
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lbtit and yaml are quite nice ways to represent structured data - similar to basic XML but without the annoying <tag> </tag>10:15
l3ilbt: That already makes them both sound quite attractive10:16
lbtthinking about it yaml is used a fair bit around Mer and it's a superset of json - I'd select it over json when picking a parser10:18
Stskeepslbt: yes, just confused atm10:19
Stskeepslbt: and on the phone, so talk later10:19
lbtStskeeps: OK I'll do other things - yell if you want me to take a look10:19
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Stskeepslbt: @$%@%10:29
Stskeepslbt: of course it stops happening after someone updated 'mic'10:29
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lbtI did update it last night before you told me you were using it as a test-case ... and it may have fixed the SDK loop issue10:39
Stskeepsso what can we conclude, merproject/ branch plus my patch is safe for the usual suspects?10:42
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E-Plbt, l3i: Sorry, I was away. I will add your comments to the wiki10:48
E-Pgood base for tomorrow's meeting10:49
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E-Pone comment to the describing the tests, that should be done in the tests.xml, not anymore in the mapping11:02
E-Pbut test package relationship could be in the mapping11:02
l3iE-P: Yep, agree11:04
l3iE-P: Somehow I forgot to think of that..11:04
l3iHmm, isn't necessarliy that simple though11:05
StskeepsE-P: input for test mapping, we also have something like;a=tree11:10
Stskeepswhich is the mer core, as an object, practically11:11
E-Phow does it work?11:11
Stskeepslong story short, we have something called MDS/mer delivery system/fakeobs, which acts like a remote OBS -- it takes things like mer/project-core and exports it as a OBS project over the wire11:12
Stskeepsand sends sources based on the git repositories commits the project-core indicates11:12
Stskeepsit means anyone can resurrect mer anywhere11:13
Stskeepsso project-core describes a given version of mer, metadata, project configuration, what source versions are used, etc11:13
Stskeepsalso lists what packages are in mer :P11:14
l3iBy the way, could there be a need to map different package versions against different test packages? I'd guess there might be in some cases11:18
E-Pgood idea, sometimes might be needed, example when changing some core package version and tests only work with the newer or older version11:20
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Stskeeps'lo _ilf_11:21
l3iE-P: A separate record for each different version range of a package in the mapping data?11:21
Stskeepsthat's a good proposal, actually11:21
Stskeepswe are going to have 'stabilization branches' at some point11:21
Stskeepsie, 'meego 1.2' kinda11:22
_ilf_hi all11:22
E-Pl3i: yes, or git SHA11:22
l3iE-P: Hmm, how would you use that in practice?11:23
Stskeepsl3i: for mer, each package commit has a git sha11:23
Stskeepsas well11:23
E-Pl3i: haven't thought that so far yet :)11:23
l3iE-P: Ok :)11:23
l3iStskeeps: Well, if the package -> test package mapping anyway was Mer-specific, using the SHAs would maybe do of course11:24
E-Pif we want to test a stable mer release, we need to compile the tests against that11:24
Stskeepsideally we'd be able to expand this to vendors too though, so that requires some thought11:24
Stskeepsas you typically don't test just core, you test it in combination with perhaps a ui, or a hardware adaptation, and those need testing too11:25
l3iStskeeps: Yes, that can complicate things11:25
Stskeepslbt: my vote is that we admit my patch to Merproject/build , make a version of 'build' for mer:obs:testing, and throw COBS into the fire with it11:27
_ilf_guys, am i the only one with problem picking up a call and making one on the n900, or is this a well know situation?11:33
Stskeeps_ilf_: on nemo?11:33
Stskeepsmaybe, check the bugtracker11:33
_ilf_i walked through all the categories, but couldn't find it11:34
_ilf_i assume its in 'hardware adaptations'11:34
Stskeepsnah, dialer area possibly11:35
Stskeepsfile a bug else11:36
slaineanyone have a sysv init script for MDS ?11:37
slainebefore I go write one11:37
Stskeepsslaine: where do you find lbt's scripts for obs setup?11:46
slainehe put the and .conf up on pastebin11:46
Stskeepsand general impression of them? easy to get things working?11:52
Sagehows the release progressing? any news on .0.2?11:55
Stskeepsi suspect 0.1 is fine, the problem lays in the special patches we did on cobs11:56
Stskeepsand a bit in my sb2 patches in 'build' too11:56
Stskeepsi think we can reasonably expect release to be delayed11:58
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Stskeepslbt: testsuite:
slaineStskeeps: I'd a good few problems with fe section12:09
Stskeepsslaine: ok12:09
slaineI replaced the DB setup bit in the script with the commands given in the wiki and then it worked (though the obsapischeduler still gave an error after completing the script, after a reboot everything seemed ok)12:10
slaineFrom a be and worker pov, it all worked perfectly12:10
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: which rpm package offers command tar?12:18
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: tar12:18
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: not find it in mer's repo12:19
Stskeepsnot looking very hard12:20
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: sorry for it, but my network is so bad, so the page is not display fully12:21
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ah, no problem :)12:21
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: in the evening, too many people try to have fun with internet.12:22
Stskeepsyeah, same here in europe12:24
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: you guys know we run a rsync service on right?12:29
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: not really for me12:33
Stskeepsso you can cache an entire mer release locally with rsync -ar rsync:// . etc12:35
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps:  yeah, ok12:36
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StskeepsE-P: i feel we're missing the manual testing angle, ie, humans doing testing and how that could be done12:48
Stskeepslike, that's something vendors for sure would use12:48
Stskeepsto discuss it, at least12:49
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Stskeepstimoph: comment on 'hwiddetect', we have a thing called boardname that might be good for that12:55
E-PStskeeps: definitely, the tools are supporting the manual testing, we have to discuss when and how manual tests can be executed12:57
Hexxeh./chrome: symbol lookup error: /opt/vc/lib/ undefined symbol: client_tls again13:03
Hexxehnot having much luck with that hack Stskeeps13:04
Hexxehany hints as to what i might be doing wrong?13:07
SageStskeeps: where the /usr/src/ dir was located when the sb2 problem fixed in -next is there?13:07
StskeepsHexxeh: you don't have a TLS enabled glibc?13:09
Hexxehusing the debian image13:09
Stskeepsi don't know offhand13:10
StskeepsSage: sorry, what?13:10
SageStskeeps: in current release the /usr/src/ dir content isn't there but it is somewhere else not mapped to the env. Can I reach that content from some /x/y/x dir?13:11
StskeepsSage: -possibly- /target13:12
Sageso /target/usr/src/13:12
Stskeepsthis is just a hunch, fwiw13:12
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Sagedoesn't help :/13:16
* Sage ponders if there would be easier way to push stuff to the galaxy nexus than changing kernel and booting android13:17
lbtStskeeps: OK - drain fixed .... *ugh*13:28
lbtso we throw build at cobs and stand well back13:28
Stskeepslbt: that's the idea, i've checked usual suspects and documented them13:29
Stskeepslbt: is the patch, please merge to merproject/build or how you want to do it13:31
Stskeepsyou need to apply your xen patches on top as well, naturally13:31
Stskeepsworst case scenario we find out what actually makes things blow up13:32
Stskeepsand know that for next time13:33
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Stskeepslbt, and we agree this is without your quoting patches?13:42
Stskeepsok, just checking13:45
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lbtso it's building now13:50
Stskeepsi'll take cover behind the popcorn machine..13:51
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* lbt takes a last look at his nice stable OBS...13:57
lbterm ... I don't think we should be rebuilding pkgs in MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps14:04
lbtI'll copypac them to TestBuilds14:07
Stskeepsyes, that was the idea14:07
Stskeepsgave you project, repo name, arch14:08
lbtI just rebuilt mic since it was our Testiing area - no probs there14:08
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Stskeepstest a ar, core-next too14:11
Stskeepsand core current14:12
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Stskeepsyou forgot xen rw patches14:24
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Stskeeps(am i right?)14:31
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Stskeepslbt: for fix14:37
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lbtah balls - I only checked build+common+functions14:38
lbtis that a xen thing do you think?14:39
lbtit doesn't affect any other builds (clearly)14:39
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Stskeepsit's a sb2 + xen thing14:40
Stskeepsi did not check with xen, only kvm14:40
lbtis it really a "nasty rw remount" then? or is it a "we have to do this"14:40
Stskeepsit's a nasty remount because for some obscure reason, kvm and others are mounted rw, but xen isn't14:41
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lbtgoddam it - now OBS zypper ref is not picking up new pkg14:51
Stskeepsrepo not getting published?14:53
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lbtcobs publishing is failing14:53
Stskeepsthat can't be my fault :P14:54
lbtit's all your fault14:54
* lbt sobs ...14:55
lbtntp is broken14:55
* Sage smiles to update time of the new tomtom lying on the bed.14:55
SageHow can update take almost 4 hours :D14:56
lbtHD ariel maps?14:56
SageFull set of europe maps 3G of size14:57
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SageIt already downloaded the maps (or at least it told me so) and is now installing them14:58
Stskeepsslow sd card? :P14:58
Sagehah, complaining in twitter works now it is only 1.5hours after beeing 30 mins above 3 hours :)15:02
lbtforced a manual install of rpm on cbe...15:03
Stskeepsand now osc rebuild --all of :TestBuilds ?15:03
lbt=> coffee15:04
Stskeepsi'm so glad you didn't write => holiday15:05
slaineloud punk music and coffee are fuelling one intense fire fighting coding session today15:09
Stskeepssounds like a good day15:10
slaine9 hours straight so far15:10
iekkupunk music <315:11
iekkuslaine, what band?15:11
slaineAbout 300 units shipped to a customer with faulty touchscreen eeproms15:12
slainehave a driver from the supplier that'll let me write to it.15:12
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slainejust writing to validation now15:12
Stskeepslbt: heads up btw, next sb2 version (not the one we're entering in -next) will require changes to sdk modes15:12
slaineiekku: I've been listening to DK, DRI, Black Flag, Cro-Mags, Exploted15:12
slaineright now I've got the American Hardcore soundtrack on15:13
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iekkuslaine, good ones15:13
iekkuslaine, is this familiar to you:
slainenope, is it good ?15:14
iekkusure it is15:15
iekkucomments welcome15:15
* Stskeeps ponders idly where he has heard that voice before..15:15
slaineI'll listen to it after this15:15
iekkuslaine, :DDD15:15
iekkuuups, that was for Stskeeps15:16
Stskeepslbt: do you have a timeline for the OBS setup scripts to make it to a publically accessible git?15:17
slaineiekku: enjoying that15:17
slainelol, it sounds Japanese to me15:18
lbtStskeeps: sdk modes - OK15:18
iekkuhaha, it's finnish. but they say it's easy for finns to learn japanese15:18
iekkuslaine, that's my band. i'm the "singer"... recorded at our training place so the quality isn't that good15:19
slaineiekku: Yeah, I got that, but at first I was like, hang on, is this Japanese or Finnish.15:20
slaineit's very good15:20
slainealways wanted to be in a hardcore/punk band15:20
iekkuoh, thanks :D15:21
iekkuso did i, then i decided to have one :P15:21
iekkuall the others have played long time and  i think all have recorded at least one lp with some punk band15:21
* lbt plays some country music....15:22
iekkulbt, try g.g. allin15:22
iekku's country lp15:22
Stskeepslbt: i think it could be useful for a bunch of people to have easy-setup obs for testing.. including myself :P15:22
Stskeepsi have to do some validation of someone else's code soon so15:22
StskeepsNothing to see here yet. Move along.15:23
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lbttry againi15:30
lbt that was quick - took me ages to setup the VMs :)15:31
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slainelbt, FYI, I had problems with the setupmysql_fe func15:40
lbtslaine: hmm ... I've used it a number of times now15:41
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slaineWas having problems with connecting to the db15:41
slaineI replaced it with the steps detailed on the wiki15:42
slaineand then it worked15:42
lbtI need it to be completely non-interactive15:42
lbtand actually, the code comes from the script in the wiki15:42
lbtthe 'secure_mysql' or whatever15:42
lbtI wonder what the issue was then?15:43
slainewell, I put the SQL back to the wiki, called that secure mysql thing and it was good15:43
lbthow clean was the install15:43
slainehad be installed pre fe15:43
lbtie could you have had a pw set already ?15:43
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lbtany clue what the error was?15:43
slainefresh install, setup-obs be, setup-obs fe15:43
lbtah, this was all on one machine wasn't it15:44
slainebe install first, then fe15:46
slaineshouldn't have had a mysql instance though15:46
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lbt./ be15:48
lbtalso I have updated the scripts now :)15:49
slaineI've had no time today, I'll have another go tomorrow15:49
slaineInstalling OpenSuse 11.4 off a class10 SDHC is so much faster than using a usb CDROM15:50
lbtI install a really minimal server setup15:50
slaineme too15:50
slainethe lowest one the DVD will let me15:51
lbtthe slowest part of my install now is the zypper ref - I make the proxy refuse to cache that15:51
lbt./ fe15:52
slaineright, 10 hours non-stop15:53
slainetime to stop15:53
lbthalf-day then?15:53
lbtand it's up...15:55
slaineHow are you setting up your OpenSuse install then15:55
slaineis it automated from an image or are you going through the YAST process each time15:55
lbtkiwi --prepare suse-11.4-JeOS --root /vmbase/suse11.4/ --add-profile xenFlavour --add-package iputils --add-package kernel-xen --add-package wget --add-package less --add-package iputils --add-package terminfo --add-package emacs --add-package sudo  --add-package rsync15:56
lbtoh, wait - that's for a xen image15:56
lbtkiwi --prepare suse-11.4-JeOS --root $ROOTFS --add-package less --add-package iputils  --add-package wget --add-package less --add-package iputils --add-package terminfo --add-package emacs --add-package sudo15:56
slaineah yes, you're doing vms15:57
lbtthen I put that in an LV called 11.4template15:57
lbtthen I snapshot it, mount it, change the hostname and stuff (5 lines or so), then start it15:57
lbttakes about 8secs to get a new machine ssh prompt15:58
lbtmainly waiting for pxeboot15:58
slainetakes me about 10mins atm15:58
lbtthe objective is to do this as part of CI15:58
slaineI could do with a USB installer for a opens use jeos15:58
slaineright, time to head15:59
lbtok - g'night15:59
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Stskeepslbt: so i'm wondering how best to trigger a rebuild of all -arm next..16:05
Stskeepsthough not sure that'd work16:05
Stskeepsas it hasn't rebuilt base packages16:06
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lbtthought about a changelog change16:07
lbtor removing a binary, doing a rebuild and then rpmdiff would think it had changed16:07
lbtin merCI obs16:07
lbtwhich would incr the BI count16:08
lbtor a shell script16:08
Stskeepsi'm pondering just asking -next users to rebuild -f16:09
lbthow did they fail ?16:10
lbtobsadmin rescan?16:10
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Stskeeps'failed', + exec rpmbuild -ba --define '_srcdefattr (-,root,root)' --target=armv7hl-meego-linux --define 'disturl obs://' ''\''/home/abuild/rpmbuild'\''/SOURCES/libquill.spec'16:11
Stskeepserror: failed to stat //'/home/abuild/rpmbuild'/SOURCES/libquill.spec: No such file or directory16:11
lbtso yeah, they'd need a rebuild16:12
lbtlets do nemo manually to be sure16:12
lbtand if that all looks good then we can think about 0.2 or an email16:13
Stskeeps0.2 doesn't have any changes16:13
lbtI'd rather do 0.2 since people don't read ml that much and it'll be sporadic16:13
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lbtI mean force something16:13
Stskeepsi can merge removing nss from glibc dependency, that should do the trick..16:13
lbtI meant a whitespace change16:14
Stskeepsnot going to work, keep in mind how obs deps work16:14
Stskeepsit has to be a central package that modifies which isn't in support:, which is in the dependency chain to trigger a rebuild16:14
lbtand yet not trigger a rebuild of core16:16
Stskeepsperhaps prjconf change?16:17
lbtwouldn't that trigger core rebuild16:17
Stskeepsno, prjconf on MDS..16:17
lbtI assumed it was tied to core16:17
Stskeepsit is, but we can theoretically do a local edit on cobs MDS16:18
lbtbut we would change it back on 0.216:18
Stskeepsit's dirty, but may get the work done16:18
lbtas it happens I have an obs test setup to hand ....16:18
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Stskeepswell, find out what would cause a rebuild of a failed package16:19
lbtprjconf should rebuild all16:19
lbtdo we need to fake an MDS event16:19
* Stskeeps contemplates16:20
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Stskeepsokay, so, how about we just rebuild -f Nemo, Active and i remove nss (as i want tested anyway and away), causing a 0.2 we can use to solve the rest tomorrow?16:21
Stskeepswe're going down a rabbit hole else16:22
lbtjust checking you want to remove nss on the day before we release16:22
lbtwith no other snap or pre-release16:23
Stskeepswe're not going to make tomorrow's release16:23
Stskeepssimple as that16:23
Stskeepsi vote monday-tuesday16:23
Stskeepsso another 0.2 and get that tested through, then .116:23
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Stskeepsi'm at a risk for not having any internet tomorrow as well, as i switch to a different type of line, so that also factors in16:24
lbtfair enough16:24
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Stskeepsmorn Alison_Chaiken16:25
lbthey Alison_Chaiken16:26
Alison_ChaikenHuomenta, Stskeeps.   I'm finally making some progress on installing mer on my Archos tab.16:26
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: woo :)16:26
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: and the progress doesn't involve it 'accidentially' falling from 9th floor?16:26
Alison_ChaikenHey lbt.  So I'll try to put Qt on it.16:26
Alison_ChaikenMy collaborator tripzero already built Mer packages at OBS.16:26
Stskeepsah cool16:26
Alison_ChaikenThat was supposed to be my job, but he is faster!16:27
* lbt looks forward to seeing a project with the HA stuff in it...16:27
Alison_ChaikenAnyhow, no lack of work for everyone on fun projects.16:27
Alison_ChaikenI really want to make a mer-ivi tablet as a demo unit, with nOBDy and GPS and navit and festival/espeak.16:28
Alison_ChaikenSo much ambition, so few accomplishments.16:28
Stskeepssounds feasible, provided festival doesn't require fortran16:28
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lbtfestival-lite ?16:28
Alison_ChaikenIt will probably take me until September, at the rate I actually work!!16:28
Alison_Chaikenespeak might be easier.   Ran on maemo, after all.16:29
Stskeepsi took a rather controversial decision to remove gcc-fortran when i discovered it took 40 mins of arm build time16:29
Alison_ChaikenFirst make something fast and crappy, then improve it when you use it and it annoys you.16:29
Alison_ChaikenI still need to figure out where to get cross toolchain for G9 Archos tab.16:30
Stskeepsif for mer, our platform sdk includes it16:30
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Hexxehso if your application does this when starting, it's really bad, right?
StskeepsHexxeh: start with debug symbols16:44
Hexxehuh, that is a debug build16:44
Stskeepsthat might just be "in main"16:44
Stskeepssure, with -g and symbols available?16:44
Hexxehyeah /opt/google/chrome/chrome: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=0x849e7ef70ff411180b12e7743901c714c42c5189, not stripped16:45
Hexxehthere's not enough memory on the device to run gdb16:45
Hexxehso i pulled the core dump off and ran gdb on another machine16:46
Stskeepsarm gdb?16:46
RaYmAnconsidered loads of swap, just to get gdb and stuff working on-device? =P16:46
HexxehRaYmAn: i left it for two hours, it was still swapping away trying to load the symbols16:46
Hexxehbut chrome is a 1GB binary when built in debug mode16:46
HexxehStskeeps: yes16:46
Hexxeharmv6zk-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-gdb chrome/chrome
RaYmAnouch, lol16:47
Hexxehmidori is webkit based too, is it not?16:48
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StskeepsHexxeh: build with -gdwarf-416:48
Stskeepsthat minimizes size a lot16:49
Hexxehwhat, and try debugging on the device?16:49
Hexxeheither way, there's only like 200MB of RAM and the binary is 50MB even in release mode16:49
Stskeepsnot sure, chromeos is a bit of a unknown to me16:49
Hexxehthis is just chrome16:49
Hexxehnot chromeos16:50
Stskeepsgdb , break main, step? :P16:50
Hexxehon device?16:50
Stskeepsor something16:50
Stskeepsyeah.. again with the ram16:50
Stskeepsi'm out of ideas right now16:50
Hexxehruns out of memory just loading symbols16:50
Hexxehme too :(16:50
Hexxehgotten to the point where i might just let whoever can figure it out buy my spare pi :P16:51
Hexxehand skip the queue16:51
StskeepsHexxeh: gdbserver on device, gdb on host?16:51
Hexxehi tried that16:51
Hexxehlots of errors16:51
Stskeepsthat sounds more weird - incompatible gdbs?16:51
Hexxeh=> 0x489428b0:    Remote 'g' packet reply is too long16:52
Stskeepssounds like the versions are out of sync16:52
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Hexxehgood call16:52
Hexxeh7.4 and 7.216:53
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Stskeepslbt: merged nss-less eglibc17:06
lbtjust cleaning up outside17:06
lbtwhat a day ... chiselling out old 'fibre' drain and then hand carving a new fitting :D17:07
* Stskeeps is just tired after a long day (since 4am)17:16
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lbtyeah - I've been tired a lot recently.17:16
Stskeepsat least things are moving forward, which is good17:19
Stskeepsa lot of nice QA activity17:19
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lbtyes, that's good to see17:20
Stskeepsand good work on the obs setup stuff, it looks really really handy17:21
lbt*nod* ... I need to find time to push some patches upstream too17:21
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* Stskeeps needs to put time for making a proposal for devaamo summit17:22
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lbtme too17:23
lbtI think I may do BOSS actually17:23
lbtit's of interest to Maemo community, Mer, Nemo and hopefully PA too17:24
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Stskeeps'a short introduction to making BOSS processes' perhaps?17:24
Stskeepsto make people see it's really not that difficult (TM)17:24
lbt*nod* ... and I want to extend the vm setup to allow me to deploy boss too17:25
lbtit's odd where the pain points are...17:25
lbtif I use dhcp you need to hack the VM to actually send a dhcp release17:26
lbtyou also need dyndns commands in case the VM is hard-killed17:26
lbtbut ... OT17:26
lbtso... is that script 'readable' enough to be the basis of docs ?17:27
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Stskeepsdidn't check it that deepily but something just occoured to me while i was in the toilet.. can't you make automated 'cloud' worker setups with that too?17:31
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lbtwas just submitting a pull request - stripped your sb2 patch for now17:48
lbtand islam's prjlink cleanup17:48
lbtso yes - the main issue with cloud workers is nesting the virtualisation - plus I'd expect the cost of data gets quite high quite quickly17:51
lbtWhat I bet we *could* do is dynamically repurpose workers to OBSes17:51
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* Stskeeps looks at libxcb17:59
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SageStskeeps: is it the feaver or did you just forget to submit the change according to my comment? :)18:09
StskeepsSage: didn't you see my comment? :P18:09
StskeepsCarsten Munk7:46 PM18:10
Stskeeps[ --disable-libuuid do not build private uuid library],18:10
Stskeeps[ --disable-libblkid do not build private blkid library],18:10
Sageok, that settles it I'm going to bed18:11
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Stskeepssleep well :)18:12
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thauta_does mer have/support the usual pm-suspend and pm-hibernate?18:27
_av500_i guess that depedns on the hw adaption18:29
_av500_kernel and such18:29
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thauta_what i would like achieve is a x86 ivi with intel graphics18:31
thauta_that is also able to hibernate18:31
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Stskeepsthauta_: we have pm-utils, yes18:31
Stskeepsthauta_: what kind of hardware do you have?18:32
thauta_i see that you have a generic x86 adaptation18:32
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Stskeepsyes, nemo has (mer doesn't contain hw adaptations)18:32
Alison_Chaiken_av500_ , for Archos use toolchain from didj?18:33
Alison_ChaikenOr is there a better source?18:33
_av500_use whatever you like18:33
_av500_never heard of didj18:34
Alison_ChaikenI guess buildroot has a toolchain somewhere too?18:34
_av500_linaro is deemed good18:34
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: for kernel or for userland?18:34
_av500_yes, our buildroot builds a toolchain18:34
thauta_Stskeeps: + a recent celeron with intel hd graphics core18:34
_av500_but its bah ancient18:34
_av500_4.4.1 or so18:34
Alison_ChaikenStskeeps, eventually I will need both.18:34
_av500_Alison_Chaiken: ask the plasma guys what they are using18:35
_av500_but since they use mer, ask Stskeeps18:35
Stskeepsthauta_: the celeron has SSSE3?18:35
thauta_Stskeeps: i think so yeah
Stskeepsthauta_: start out by trying to boot a Nemo image18:36
Stskeepsthauta_: also, that page doesn't say SSSE318:36
thauta_give me a sec, ill boot and check that18:36
Alison_ChaikenStskeeps knows everything, even gives advice about Windows and now furniture purchases.18:37
Alison_Chaiken_av500_, the aos-repack from aos-tools will created an unsigned init image that G9 is going to boot?18:38
_av500_forget repack18:38
_av500_that is gen918:39
_av500_er, gen818:39
_av500_or at least ask dm8tbr18:39
Alison_ChaikenWhat tool to create .aos archive then?18:39
Alison_ChaikenThat's the only format that is accepted, no?18:39
_av500_Alison_Chaiken: no18:39
Alison_Chaiken.img and .iso will not work?18:39
_av500_sde take a zimage and a initramfs18:39
_av500_you cannot make an aos since its signed18:40
Alison_ChaikenWhat about userland?   Put on disk with dd and hope for the best?18:40
_av500_put it on disk with cp18:40
Alison_Chaiken_av500_, that's too simple for me.18:40
_av500_i propose you install SDE and boot into recovery and explore the sde menu18:40
thauta_Stskeeps: it has it + ssse4.1 and ssse4.218:40
Alison_ChaikenI never considered that option!18:40
Alison_Chaiken_av500_, I did explore the menu, but it ain't like there's instructions about how to put userland, just kernel.18:41
Stskeepsthauta_: OK, then boot a nemo image as a start18:41
_av500_Alison_Chaiken: yes, but userland is where you want it to be18:41
_av500_didnt i send you the plasma instructions?18:42
Alison_ChaikenVery good, I will just loopback-mount the new userland and copy it.18:42
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thauta_Stskeeps: alrighty, doing that18:42
Alison_Chaiken_av500_, you sent me the download link, but no instructions.18:42
_av500_sec, will do18:42
Stskeepsrsync -aHx, we're a bit picky about suid bits18:42
Alison_ChaikenI've learned so much by reading websites about abandoned A5 projects in the interim ;-)18:43
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Alison_ChaikenStskeeps, which toolchain shall I grab for arm-linux-uclibcgnueabi-gcc?18:44
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: who's making you use uclibc? :)18:44
Stskeepsah, ok18:45
Stskeepsi don't know, for once18:45
_av500_our frankendroid is a mix of android and uslibc18:45
Stskeepsone of these days you have to tell me what you smoke in your offices18:46
Alison_ChaikenStskeeps, if you don't love uclibc, you may not be an embedded developer.18:47
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: i'm in the sweet spot between embedded and netbooks ;)18:47
Stskeepsi like uclibc, though18:47
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vgradeCosmoHill, hi, hows the job18:57
CosmoHillhi vgrade18:58
CosmoHillI'm setterling down and today has gone well even tho I've been on my own18:58
CosmoHilleveryone there is friendly :)18:58
Alison_ChaikenCosmoHill, where you at?   I'll be mentor-ivi starting 4/30.19:00
CosmoHilloo, what;'s that?19:00
CosmoHillyou mean the 30th of april, right?19:00
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Alison_Chaiken"anywhere in North America" unfortunately.   There's still a "senior IVI architect" opening AFAIK, not to spam the channel.19:01
CosmoHillthis is a small gun shop in the UK19:01
CosmoHillthey do their websites in house19:01
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thauta_Stskeeps: got it to boot but cant find xterm as mentioned here
Stskeepsthauta_: swipe to the left on the menu?19:09
thauta_what menu?19:09
thauta_by pressing the "four boxes" button i get some icons to show up on the desktop19:10
Stskeepsok, that's the launcher menu19:10
Stskeepsnow hold mouse left button down and make a left motion19:10
Stskeepsor just ctrl-alt-f2 if you're boring19:10
thauta_my touch screen is not connected, using with a 24" =)19:11
Stskeepsctrl-alt-f2 then19:11
vgradeCosmoHill, good to hear that19:12
CosmoHillwill be interesting to see what it does to my mpg since my car has only been used for local travel before19:13
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thauta_Stskeeps: it boots, whee!19:20
Stskeepsthauta_: woo19:20
Stskeepsthauta_: you should at this point get mer platform sdk19:21
thauta_how do i configure net?19:21
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Stskeepsthe image is a bit handset oriented so it doesn't enable ethernet out of the box19:24
Stskeepswhen you do your own image you easily can though19:24
thauta_so i need to build my own image with sdk?19:24
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Stskeepsit's not very difficult19:35
Stskeepsjust install mer platform sdk according to
thauta_ok thanks, gotta continue tomorrow19:37
Stskeepsyep, going here too19:38
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edkjust installed nemo latest image on my nokia n900, when i start packages, and want to refreshing cache, it looks likt it is stuck in this app, keeps saying "Refreshing cache"; rotating icon, nothing happens20:42
edki also tried rebooting but problem not solved yet20:43
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edkanyone here ?22:28
edkI think in Nemo on my n900 wifi is stuck somehow22:29
edki have lan ip, but can not communicate on lan network22:29
edkno ping replies from gateway or other hosts22:29
edkwifi just does not seems to work, although I have connection with AP (wpa psk)22:30
edkhelp would be appreciated22:30
edkor tips22:30
edki use nemo image from april 5th 201222:30
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edkhello anyone aliv ehere ?22:36
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