Tuesday, 2012-04-17

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Alison_Chaikenvgrade, did you run the ARM IVI on HW?   IMX QSB maybe?00:13
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timophE-P: you manged to run all the tests inside the sdk chroot?03:40
timophfor me they're still running03:41
timoph(started yesterday)03:41
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E-Ptimoph: yes I was able, maybe you have some problems with ssh connection?05:24
E-Pbecause I didn't have ssh-server on my computer05:25
E-Pfor me it took only 5mins to execute the tests05:27
StskeepsE-P: did we have another QA meeting here thursday at 12 UTC?05:27
Stskeepsmorn iekku o/05:27
E-PStskeeps: I haven't yet propose any timing, but preliminary discussion was that let's have it on thursday at 11 UTC05:28
E-PI will make a post about that today05:28
StskeepsE-P: ok05:28
E-Pthanks for the reminder :)05:29
StskeepsE-P: i -should- be able to attend.. i'll get my internet line switched to a 60mbit/s one that day, so no idea how badly they'll screw up my network here :)05:29
E-PStskeeps: let's hope the best but expect the worst05:29
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* Stskeeps ponders idly what to work on today05:32
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_av500_Alison_Chaiken: kernel command line is compiled in05:42
_av500_you can repartition the HDD of course05:42
_av500_but there is also emmc on the HDD units05:42
_av500_and it always  boots from emmc, not hdd05:42
_av500_the hdd units have like a 4gb emmc05:43
_av500_so treat the hdd as extra storage, not main05:43
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: when I complie something in the chroot environment, I have to set the files' user and user group to 399, why ?05:49
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: 'su abuild' in it05:51
Stskeeps399 = user abuild05:51
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok, thank you05:52
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StskeepsSage: problem with -next is some patches lbt made in order not to break other distros06:17
Stskeepsexcept we forgot which they were :)06:18
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Stskeepsfeck, harmattan builds in obs are slow06:20
SageStskeeps: :( let me know when that is fixed as it really blocks everything I try to do in cobs. :(06:21
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Stskeepsi just found out harmattan broke, so that's a start06:22
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niqtmorning all06:26
Stskeepsmorn niqt06:31
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StskeepsSage: think i found cause of harmattan builds breaking06:48
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Stskeepsvgrade: good work on tz-ivi07:08
vgradewill try on arm when I get a moment07:08
vgradeSage, do you have a nemo panda ks?07:09
Stskeepslo furikku07:10
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Sagevgrade: yes07:17
Sagevgrade: https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/image-configurations/blobs/master/kickstarts/Nemo/handset-armv7l-pandaboard.ks07:17
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Stskeepslbt: ping when awake07:26
Stskeepstimoph: have you done any more thought into authorized_keys command="" stuff?07:29
timophStskeeps: not yet07:29
Stskeepsi'll take a peek today and see what can be done07:29
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Stskeepsmorn slaine07:37
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slainemorning folks07:41
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Stskeepsmorn Attie07:55
dm8tbrmoaning from wrocław07:56
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Stskeepstimoph: http://pastie.org/380299908:04
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Alison_ChaikenThanks for the explanation, _av500_.   That's sort of what I figured.   Not even testdisk found a /boot partition, and that means it ain't there!08:10
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StskeepsAttie, for you and sledges: [00:22] <vgrade> Stskeeps, sledges, tizen ref ivi UX. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1ToY7zNUm8 , built for ARM as well,  https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=ux-ivi-xlib&project=home%3Avgrade%3Amivi08:13
Attieoo aces, i'll check it out - thanks both!08:14
timophStskeeps: hacks with pride :) looks good08:16
Sagetizen ivi dialer is the same we are using? :)08:18
Stskeepsnah, theirs is hfdialer i think08:18
Sageok, just wondered about the video08:18
Stskeepsactually a good question..08:19
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lbtmorning ... pong Stskeeps08:24
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lbtbuild quoting...08:24
Stskeepslbt: i've confirmed that merproject 'build' breaks on harmattan08:24
Stskeepsi also have a fix08:24
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Stskeepswas able to succesfully compile locally after that08:26
Stskeepsso that's one down08:27
Stskeepswhat other targets do we have to test?08:27
lbtwhich build is that patch against ?08:27
lbtthere is a 2012.02.28 version of build out08:29
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lbterm 2012.03.06 even08:30
Stskeepsfor the moment we want to get a mer release out and tested, and a complete upgrade doesn't seem feasible atm08:30
lbtI was just looking what was done in it - nothing crucial08:31
lbtI'd rather see the version on cobs patched so I know what to revert to08:32
lbtI'll do that though08:32
Stskeepswe have to get rid of your quoting patches and get as close to merproject/obs-build as possible (with perhaps your xen patches), plus this patch08:32
Stskeepsthough we should really test more targets08:33
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Stskeepsso i was wondering what other obs targets we can try to verify08:35
lbtobs-light on F1508:36
lbtit breaks everything :/08:36
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* Stskeeps tests08:40
lbtthis is just a hack - right?08:40
lbtwe're re-doing enter_target 'properly' before pushing upstream08:40
Stskeepsthe entire sb2 patch is changed in the other approach, yes08:40
lbtOK then08:41
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* Stskeeps tests obslight08:41
lbtI'm not really happy about swapping the build script out as a big chunk08:41
Stskeepsthat's why we test first, but we need to run similar scripts as in merproject/ and on CI and on vendor obs'es08:42
Stskeepselse our release validation is nil08:42
lbtI agree08:44
StskeepsQA guys: is there ways to do tests like "do you see the following on your device screen", where it does one automatic step, and one manual query?08:45
E-PStskeeps: it is possible, the test-definition support both manual and automatic steps08:46
Stskeepslbt: i might have a clue for your fedora15 crashes btw08:46
E-Ptimoph: you remember that better ^08:47
timophit does08:47
Stskeeps47/212] installing glibc-common-2.13.90-908:47
Stskeepswarning: /.init_b_cache/glibc-common.rpm: Header V3 RSA/SHA256 Signature, key ID 069c8460: NOKEY08:47
Stskeepserror: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/libexec/pt_chown: cpio: cap_set_file failed - Operation not supported08:47
Stskeepserror: glibc-common-2.13.90-9.i686: install failed08:47
Stskeepsexit ...08:47
Stskeepsthat's on a tmpfs08:47
Stskeepsfrom f1508:48
lbtta - they're hard to spot on cobs (and frankly I put very little effort into it)08:48
* Stskeeps tries kvm08:49
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lbtany clue what it's trying to do? suid?08:49
Stskeepslbt: probably posix capabilities08:50
Stskeepslbt: my 'build' with that patch succeeded f15 kvm build08:50
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Stskeepsany other targets to test?08:51
lbtMer:Tools builds on debian and suse08:52
Stskeepsok, sec08:52
lbt(looking at the monitor for one that actually builds on them)08:52
Stskeepswill verify debian 6.0 while i'm at it08:53
lbtis this going to break -current ?08:57
Stskeepsalso a valid thing to test08:58
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slainePerhaps make a checklist of the things your testing for next time08:58
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Stskeepsyeah, i'm hoping lbt is taking notes08:59
lbtI am ... "ask Stskeeps to rerun tests" :D08:59
Stskeepslbt: Debian_6.0 acts odd09:00
Stskeepsi'll investigate09:00
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* lbt notes that this may mean that people using older versions of mer (like sonach) may not be able to use newer OBS ?09:02
Stskeepsanother good test to make?09:02
Stskeepsthat one is already problematic due to hostarch, though09:02
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timophStskeeps: http://pastie.org/380322509:06
timophsampos: was there a way to tell tr-lite to print the step output to stdout?09:06
timophah. -p09:07
timophsampos: nevermind :)09:07
timophactually -P09:08
Stskeepstimoph: will it be a problem if you can't do an interactive shell with eat key?09:08
timophnot sure09:08
timophin that case you at least need to skip the manual cases09:09
Stskeepsie, you can't 'ssh -i .ssh/id_eat_dsa root@DUT' and expect to get a working bash09:10
lbtStskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=Mer%3AOBS%3ATestBuilds09:10
* timoph ponders09:10
lbtStskeeps: why can't you do that with ssh  ?09:10
Stskeepsah, nevermind09:11
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Stskeepsfound a way09:11
marquiz_lbt, Stskeeps: is there some documentation how the sb2 builds actually happen?09:12
marquiz_or is the source code the best doc?09:12
lbtmarquiz_: in what way? as a user?09:12
Stskeepshttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SB2 and SB2 itself will have documentation either today or tomorrow09:12
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marquiz_lbt: behind the scenes09:13
sledgesStskeeps, what about repeating harbaum's (or yours) effort this time for 1.2: http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/beagleboard/meego.outdated/ivi-armv7l-beagle.ks09:13
marquiz_Stskeeps: ok, thanks09:13
sledges(good morning :))09:13
Stskeepssledges: that one was only possible because there was a 'good enough' 1.2 prerelease09:13
lbtmarquiz_: it use LD_PRELOAD to intercept system calls and redirect IO09:13
Stskeepswhich is, afaik, gone now09:13
sledgesStskeeps, that one is 1.109:14
Stskeepssledges: that ivi image is also not the same stack09:14
Stskeepsie, it's old ivi interface09:14
marquiz_Stskeeps, lbt: i just wonder would a local sb2/osc buildroot be usable as a easy-to-use "platform sdk"09:16
timophStskeeps: btw, writing test xmls docs are still in my user page (I'll try to clean them and put them into a better location asap) - http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/User:Timoph09:16
Stskeepsmarquiz_: did you see platform SDK and our sb2 pages?09:16
lbtmarquiz_: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB209:16
Stskeepshttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK , http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB209:16
Stskeepslbt is quicker than me today09:16
lbtyou're actually working...09:17
timophbut we need to agree on some terminology before that..09:17
marquiz_lbt, Stskeeps: big thanks!09:17
lbttimoph: I suggest not actually using user pages09:17
lbtjust start hacking in the open09:17
* timoph is x)09:17
Stskeepsmarquiz_: i saw the 'qbs' thing from tizen ivi, it could be interesting to sb2-enable that at some point too09:17
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timophlbt: happy? :) -> http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Quality/TestDefinitionHowTo09:22
timophhmmh. could've dropped the HowTo part from the page name actually09:24
Stskeepstimoph: a nice sideeffect .. log in with eat key to user session with interactive session == you're placed in the right dbus and x environment09:25
AttieStskeeps: if we were to try to 'skim' off the 1.2 UI and install it on a 1.1 system, do you know how far the dependancies would go?09:25
Attiei presume we would end up with conflicts, or missing packages09:26
StskeepsAttie: i wouldn't do that, if i were you09:26
Stskeepsthat's about as well as i can say that :P09:26
Attieheh :)09:26
Attierighto....... :(09:26
timophStskeeps: :)09:27
* l3i realizes he's not actually having much time for Mer QA activities...09:27
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Stskeepsl3i: input always helps, too09:27
timophl3i: don't worry about it09:27
Stskeepswe have a rule here that any contribution, no matter how small, is valuable09:27
l3iStskeeps, timoph: Just noticed that I've been missing some discussion already09:27
Stskeepsbecause a lot of small contributions make a big one :)09:28
Stskeepsl3i: and don't worry about it, i miss discussions at times too09:28
Stskeepsand i'm practically always around :)09:28
* timoph misses things all the time09:29
Stskeepswhich is why we have sync meetings once in a while :P09:30
mdfe_good morning09:31
Stskeepsgood morning mdfe :)09:31
Stskeepstimoph: http://pastie.org/380331709:32
mdfe_lbt: did you change anything on the OBS config for arm?09:33
Stskeepsmdfe_: we are investigating why -next is breaking09:33
Stskeepsor rather, we know why it is, but we're investigating how not to break everything else ;)09:34
timophStskeeps: cool09:34
Stskeepstimoph: could even run dbus-monitor earlier09:34
timophstrong indication for that working09:35
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timophhmmh. should try running some user space tests. ie. tests for some applciation for it09:36
timophiirc testrunner-ui tests require tdriver09:37
timophso not going there (at least not yet)09:37
* timoph goes ask kyranta (works in the same place as me nowadays, btw :))09:37
Stskeepstimoph: http://pastie.org/380335309:38
timophStskeeps: what's that last line about locale?09:39
Stskeepsthat's me screwing up eglibc09:40
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Stskeepshow would i indicate a private key to testrunner-ui ?09:44
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timophah. ui09:45
timophneeds to be implemented for it afaik09:45
lbtStskeeps: hows the debian problem looking ?09:45
timophshouldn't be too big thing to implement though09:45
Stskeepslbt: took a detour09:45
* l3i also has some kind of problem with getting Mer emails09:47
Stskeepstimoph: running testrunner-lite against a device with eat-device now :)09:47
l3iI'm getting some bounce messages about Mer emails09:47
* timoph crosses fingers09:48
Stskeepsl3i: nokia email is traditionally a bit awkward, if you've subscribed with that one09:48
l3iStskeeps: Well, I have.. maybe time to change to another email09:48
Stskeepstimoph: i'm running blts-x11-tests and seeing birds..09:48
Stskeepstimoph: so that's positive09:48
Stskeepsin nemo@ user too09:48
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Stskeepswhere was the xslt files for test results?09:54
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Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/output.xml , timoph09:56
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timophneed to fix the packaging to also install that10:01
harbaum_vgrade: Where did you find the zt-280 source? Or did you grab the zt-180 git? Or something from amlogic?10:03
Stskeepstimoph: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/output.html :)10:03
Stskeepswe probably need to fix the xslt to be mer instead, but .. ;)10:03
Stskeepssledges: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/output.html10:03
timophyeah. otherwise looks very good10:03
timophmight as well fix at the same time when including it to the package10:04
pirut3/query djszapi10:04
Stskeepssledges: output from our test frameworks10:04
timophStskeeps: seems that the failures are caused by not running as root10:08
timophout of interest can you rerun that as root?10:08
vgradenew Pi just arrived10:08
slaineOooo, nice10:08
slainedon't think I'll be getting mine 'til next month10:09
* timoph is still waiting for being able to order the Qt on Pi board10:09
vgradeworth getting up at 5.30am10:09
slainegrade, yeah, though I still couldn't get the order through10:09
slaineended up phoning one in at 8:3010:10
Stskeepstimoph: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/output2.html hmm10:12
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timophStskeeps: parameters get grouped wrong?10:16
Stskeepsnot sure10:16
Stskeepsentirely possible10:16
timophthinking if it needs to be "SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND"10:16
timophor something10:16
timophsince the error msg is logger complaining and if I understand that correctly that -e is supposed to be supplied to the blts-x11-tests binary10:18
timophor root's ssh config doesn't work like user's conf10:19
lbtStskeeps: what time is R mgmt meeting?10:21
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Stskeepslbt: ok10:24
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Stskeepstimoph: so, i think i'm about done rearchitecting, can i SR it back to you and you'll move it forward to the QA tools repo etc?10:25
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timophI'll play around with it a bit later and see how it works now10:28
Stskeepsthe addition is pretty simple, su -c '/usr/bin/eat-add-device-key' -10:28
Stskeepsin %post10:28
Stskeepsand eat-device in %packages10:28
Stskeepsyou can then eat-add-device-key - nemo as well10:28
Stskeepsand on host, eat-host, and eat-install-host-key10:29
* timoph is off to late lunch (and $HOME after that)10:31
StskeepsE-P: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=eat.spec&package=eat&project=home%3Atimoph&rev=6c4624184b5c40141a2c1ffb83ef9f7f if you want to see how it looks now10:31
StskeepsE-P: functionality, you can log in with EAT key and it automatically sets up correct environment for interactive session, or command10:32
Stskeepswhich is dumped from within the x session10:32
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E-PStskeeps: looks and sounds good10:33
Stskeepssolution might be generic enough for other distros too10:35
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E-Pyep it looks like that10:39
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SageRE meeting?10:45
Stskeepsyes, in 15 min10:45
sledgesStskeeps, that really looks cool10:55
StskeepsRelease management meeting in #mer-meeting now11:02
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mdfe_hi all, I have a question about specify on mer11:48
lbthe's teasing us...11:49
mdfe_we have the effect that e.g. kdelibs claims about in source tree builds11:49
mdfe_does specify 0.23 do build out of source by default?11:50
lbtspecify converts a yaml file to a spec file11:51
lbtnothing else11:51
mdfe_I meen does specify 0.23 configures the spec file for in source tree builds11:51
lbt(well... kinda)11:51
lbtshow me the yaml/spec :)11:51
lbtsince the answer is "it has a default template when no spec is provided ... but once a spec is in place it mainly edits sections"11:52
mdfe_I had to do this to get kdelibs building again11:52
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mdfe_cmake broke on error before and claims about that in source tree build11:53
Sagelbt: works if it is like UTC 12:00 or something. that 25th11:53
Stskeepshello reodge11:54
Stskeepsmdfe_: hmm, you have to run cmake inside a certain directory?11:54
reodgehey hey11:54
lbtSage: OK  - and generally making that a policy discussion day?11:54
Stskeepsreodge: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?11:54
reodgejust interested really :)11:54
mdfe_Stskeeps: yes, it looks like this11:54
reodgethought i'd hang out and see what goes on11:54
Stskeepsreodge: sure, if you have any questions, feel free to ask :)11:55
Stskeepsmdfe_: hmm, i'm a little unsure how %cmake is defined11:55
mdfe_me too11:55
Sagelbt: sure should work for me11:56
lbtit's not a standard Builder: option11:56
mdfe_its no big deals, but sadly the PA spec files are not all overhault by specify 0.23 at the moment11:56
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Stskeepsmdfe_: you may be able to stuff some stuff into the << pre stuff11:58
Stskeepsie, mkdir meego-build, cd meego-build11:58
Stskeepsand %cmake .. instead of %cmake .11:58
mdfe_good idea11:58
mdfe_but is there any reason why the behaviour of specify has changed to in source tree builds?11:59
lbtmdfe_: what's changed?11:59
lbtwas that changes just due to re-running specify ?12:00
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vgradeSage, thanks for the link. You're right about the dialer. I did not build the tizen dialer but it would seem the namespace with nemo dialer is the same so it brings that up from the tizen UI12:01
mdfe_sorry I don't know for sure, but it looks like specify in version 0.23 configures the spec files in a way to build directly inside the source.12:01
Stskeepsmdfe_: got an earlier version you used before?12:01
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mdfe_lbt: please see https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=kdelibs&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&rev=29612:02
Stskeepsmdfe_: that's an edit you did, i presume?12:02
mdfe_yes, but this are just changes by specify12:02
Stskeepshttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=kdelibs&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&rev=295 is what specify did?12:03
mdfe_except the new patch12:03
lbtmdfe_: yes, I'm looking at it - the question is : was it automatically done or did you do it by hand?12:03
mdfe_but yes12:03
mdfe_it was done by lamarque, but he just added a new patch und used the specify 0.23 version12:04
Stskeepslet me read specify template for a moment12:04
mdfe_in 296 I used specify 0.22 to get it building again12:05
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Stskeepsmdfe_: ok, so, my theory is that someone added the meego-build stuff manually, but outside the << >> stuff, so spectacle removes it if it doesn't match it's template12:07
lbtStskeeps: mdfe_ said "I  used specify 0.22 to get it building again"12:07
Stskeeps0.23 had this bugfix: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1576812:08
lbtso ... who added: +mkdir meego-build12:09
slaineThat was me12:09
slaineOh, sorry, wrong window ;)12:09
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lbtmdfe_: the -BR is fine - that's a bug12:10
mdfe_this 'mkdir meego-build' came from my specify installation12:10
lbtso it looks like you may be running a meego version of spectacle12:10
lbtwas this done in the SDK ?12:11
Stskeepsmdfe_: got a URL for that one?12:11
lbtif not, mdfe_: can you try to run SDK spectacle?12:11
mdfe_of cause12:11
Stskeepssdk spectacle == 0.23, afaik12:11
lbtoh yeah... d'oh12:12
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mdfe_but my question is, does your 0.23 specify configure any spec file for out of source builds?12:13
Stskeepsmdfe_: i think the 'builder: cmake' handling may be a bit broken in 0.2312:13
mdfe_this means this e.g. 'cd mer-build12:13
mdfe_I would like to see all spec files generated by specify 0.2312:14
Stskeepsmdfe_: it seems like that for Builder: cmake it will do the build within source12:14
Stskeepsfor other builder types it doesn't really12:14
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slainelbt, rcobsapidelayed start in the fe start is failing12:20
slainewhere's the logs for that saved ?12:20
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lbtslaine: not sure ... give me 10m ... eating12:25
slaineno worries12:26
slaineI also had to change the DB setup part as it was failing12:26
* Sage is waiting for the fix for the build issues with curren -next build12:26
slaineno pressure12:27
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mdfe_Stskeeps: does it make sense to add this ot of source build magic to specify 0.23?12:30
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Stskeepsmdfe_: possibly12:30
astarterhello can someone help me12:31
mdfe_so we should start a RFC?12:31
Stskeepsmdfe_: patch is probably easier :)12:31
Stskeepshello astarter :) so what brings you here?12:31
astarteri am running into a problem while trying to install nemo on virtualbox12:31
mdfe_Stskeeps: I will create a patch12:32
astarteri was hoping someone could  help me12:32
Stskeepsastarter: sure, you can ask in #nemomobile as well12:32
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Stskeepsastarter: just ask the question :)12:32
astarterStskeeps : thanks ^^. i downloaded the image and ran the virtual machine. When i open up the terminal, All i can see is a black page12:33
Stskeepsastarter: yes, that's a known bug due to a problem in the LLVMpipe graphics driver12:33
astarterahh what can i do to overcome this?12:33
astarteri can see the terminal on the home screen though12:34
Stskeepsastarter: you can get out by moving mouse to bottom and making a upwards motion, to get to task switcher12:34
Stskeepsastarter: there's no known fix right now, we're still working on it12:34
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astarterahh ok thank you for your time12:34
Stskeepsastarter: the problem is that there's no DRI driver for the xorg driver we use on virtualbox12:34
Stskeepsand we haven't made virtualbox'es own yet12:36
astarterwill it be possible to load nemo on any smartphone in the end?12:37
Sageastarter: n900, n950 and n9. And hopefully galaxy nexus soon ;)12:37
astarterSage: that is nice indeed ^^12:37
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astarterahh i see12:37
astartermaybe this should be mentioned in the wiki page for installing in a virtual machine. as of now, it is not12:39
astarterStskeeps: Would it be possible to install on a regular laptop, the wiki page only mentions i58612:39
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Stskeepsfeel free to edit it i12:40
Stskeepsastarter: it's a mobile UI, not terribly useful on a netbook/laptop12:40
astarterStskeeps: I like to try stupid things ^^ from time to time12:40
Stskeepsthere's better things to do :) do you have any coding skills?12:41
astarterc++ and qt i guess12:41
astarterStskeeps: any place i can help out with12:42
Stskeepssure, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo , http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedUsingQtSDK , http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Roadmap12:42
mord[Desktop Entry]12:43
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Stskeeps[Desktop Entry] is your friend12:44
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Stskeepsastarter: also, the #nemomobile channels is where Nemo crowd hangs out12:47
astarterahh okey. i tihnk i see both though hehe12:47
astarterthanks for the bottom to top thingy. i enter the code, and switch to task manager to see what was entered hehe12:48
Stskeepsyou can also <host key>-f212:48
Stskeepsto get out into console12:48
Stskeepshost key varies on your virtualbox setting12:48
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astarterwhat is the status of mer project as of now?12:50
Stskeepswe're quite active, making releases, good content each time12:50
Stskeepssubscribe to mer-general@ to follow, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mailing_lists , archives for previous work12:51
Stskeepsfor the maemo crowd in here, there's a 'future of maemo' meeting at 15:00 UTC in #maemo-meeting12:53
Stskeepsastarter: mer's just a core, so there's a bunch of interesting things happening on top of it, not only nemo :)12:54
astarterStskeeps: what difficulties would i face if i try to install nemo into a mobile other than nokia. lets say i try to install this in galaxy s2 for example12:55
Stskeepsastarter: you'd have to do the hardware adaptation yourself12:55
Stskeepswhich is complex at times12:56
astarterahh so rather than use the raw image, i would have to generate it myself?12:56
Stskeepsyeah, and the kernel, 3d acceleration adaptation, etc12:56
astarteri see12:56
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Stskeepsit's easier when you're a OEM and doing a product12:57
astarterthe reason why i was interested was to replace a oem installed os or googles android with a os that is more open source i guess12:58
slainelbt, hmm, everything seems to be working after a reboot12:58
slaineI'll setup MDS and I'll try importing a few packages12:59
astarterthanks for all your help ^^13:01
Stskeepsastarter: no problem, feel free to hang out13:01
astarterStskeeps: about this future of meamo meeting, i thought that maemo had been discarded for meego?13:02
Stskeepsastarter: there's a community called maemo.org as well13:02
astartermay i join the meeting even though i have no clue about it?13:02
Stskeepssure, irc meetings are usually open to the public - just treat it like you walked into a team meeting13:03
astarterahh okay13:03
Stskeepsastarter: all mer meetings are open too13:03
astarterare the time mailed to though in the mailing list?13:04
Stskeepsof mer meetings, yes, sometimes, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Meetings13:04
astartercoolies thanks13:05
Stskeepsactually, i'm wrong, it's maemo council meeting, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-April/005085.html13:09
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sledgesanyone experienced with video-over-IP Open Source (Linuxy)?13:16
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Stskeepssledges: well, doesn't telepathy have some things?13:17
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sledgesanything on Harmattan yet?13:18
sledgesthinking of putting together something from scratch13:18
Stskeepsnah, don't do NIH :)13:18
Stskeepscheck out what existing frameworks has to offer13:18
Stskeepsgstreamer, as well13:18
Stskeepsvideo-over-ip is insanely complex at times13:19
sledgesyes, that's what I mean, just wondering which low-level underlying framework to choose13:19
sledgeswondered also what's spinning on N9..13:19
Stskeepsgstreamer, probably13:19
sledges#n9 say it's telepathy/xmpp13:22
niqttelepathy use gstreamer13:29
niqti use telepathy13:29
sledgesand what does a Video for GTalk plug-in use? (the actual question probably is what does GTalk use for voip)13:32
niqtis the plugin for gtalk13:33
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sledgesunderstood, thank you niqt13:34
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lardmanAnyone know the status of Linux on the Archos G9, presumably one uses the Pandaboard PowerVR stuff, and I see the git kernel code has a Ti wifi driver, but what about the GPS?13:35
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lardmanshame about no back camera, I wonder if they do camera usb sticks to fit in the 3G dongle slot, or perhaps a bit of soldering :)13:41
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Alison_Chaikenlardman, there are demos of PlasmaActive running on G9.    Try asking on #active too.15:17
lardmanAlison_Chaiken: cool, thanks15:17
Alison_Chaikenlardman, nonetheless, not all the HW is well-supported, though the project is, well, active.15:18
lardmansure, I think the Archos is ruled out for me due to the lack of a back camera. I'll crack on with the Tab powervr driver coersion15:20
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Alison_ChaikenI've spent a lot of time on hardware adaptation for graphics before.   The tricky part is getting all the proprietary userspace libs in the right places.15:22
Alison_ChaikenJust keep running eglinfo() and eglgears() over and over until they work!15:22
Stskeepsmer-gfx-tests is a godsend in that matter15:23
Alison_ChaikenSpeaking of which, _av500_ , I guess that 101g9 Archos tablet is limited to single-boot functionality, since there's no easy way to change the bootloader?15:23
Alison_ChaikenSo if I replace the Android userland with the PlasmaActive one, the init process will automagically find P.A. and start it?15:24
Alison_Chaikenmer-gfx-tests, cool.    Intel also has a suite of EGL-based tools that are easy to cross-compile and use on ARM.15:24
Alison_ChaikenI managed to get them to compile against bionic and run on Android last fall, even.15:25
Alison_ChaikenThose tools only provide a little diagnostics, but they are a great "hello world" for EGL.15:25
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slaineman, what a day15:33
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vgradelbt, where can I find the mic source for sdk?17:41
lbtwe'll move it to mer-tools/mic17:42
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vgradelbt someone with the loop issue asked17:48
lbtwould love to get that resolved17:48
vgradeyes, I would like to use IMG17:49
lbtI'm working on that tomorrow17:50
lbthmm - although if someone else is I could do other things17:50
vgradeI'll let you know if he finds anything, he's US so probably looking now17:51
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vgradelbt, https://github.com/jfding/mic/commit/d35ca289aa5adf749451b58f1bc49b1ee995f71718:00
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vgradetrip0, hi18:16
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vgradelbt, that commit looks hopeful18:30
vgradewhats the best way to get that to people who are having the issue?18:32
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lbtvgrade: can you ask them to try the version building in Mer:Tools:Testing19:10
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Stskeepslbt: i didn't get further in figuring out debian_6.0, will be my priority for tomorrow19:12
Stskeeps(was away for driving lessons tonight, so vanished after 'work')19:13
vgradelbt , ok , is it just a zypper up19:13
lbtStskeeps: that explains a lot about how you felt driving the mountain roads in SF19:14
lbtvgrade: it should be19:14
lbtwe should be building the SDK against :Tools though19:14
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lbtyep - it's against :Testing still19:15
vgradelbt , thanks I'll let you know19:20
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Stskeepslbt: you should try warsaw streets, i figure if i can deal with them, i can handle hong kong and other insane places too19:23
trip0nothing is worse than downtown hillsboro19:24
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Stskeepshere there seems to be a rule you may only stay in same lane for 5 seconds at a time19:27
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HexxehStskeeps: You wrote the EGL override hack, right?19:34
* Stskeeps hides19:34
Stskeepsdon't ask me how to handle mouse cursor :)19:34
HexxehCan I bug you some about it?19:34
Stskeepsyes, sure19:34
HexxehI've just brought Chromium up on a Raspberry Pi19:34
Stskeepsyeah, i saw the tweet19:35
HexxehI'm hoping to use it in Chromium OS19:35
Stskeepsare your apps mostly fullscreen?19:35
HexxehWhere Chromium is the only window a user sees, and so the fullscreen thing isn't a problem19:35
HexxehWhat are the catches with it other than that?19:35
Stskeepsmouse cursor has to be gles rendered too.19:35
HexxehSo there's no mouse cursor?19:36
Stskeepscorrect, as far as i know, the dispman layer goes on top19:36
Stskeepsof whatever you have in x19:36
Stskeeps-maybe- you can have the layering done differently for framebuffer itself19:37
HexxehI should mention, I don't actually know a whole lot about how the X stack works19:37
HexxehI've compiled the libEGL.so19:37
HexxehChrome has a --use-gl=egl flag19:37
HexxehDoes the libEGL.so replace the one I have in /usr/lib or something?19:38
HexxehDoesn't appear to be making any difference, odd.19:42
HexxehI'll try an strace see if it's actually picking it up19:42
Stskeepsthat's a nice x11 gles test19:43
HexxehI'll give it a shot19:44
* Stskeeps has to head to bed19:44
CosmoHillnight night Stskeeps19:46
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Hexxehnight Stskeeps, cheers for the help19:48
_ilf_hi all19:49
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SageStskeeps: did you find the sb2 issue that is in the .0.1 release?19:55
Sagesry, about asking but I really would like to try stuff with nexus :P19:56
vgradeSage, thanks for the ks, its running now19:56
Sagevgrade: np19:56
vgradedo you have any issues with VT1 blanking?19:57
vgradeafter a timeout VT1 blanks, I can change to VT2 and login but just get blank on VT1 on return to it19:58
vgrademaybe my TV19:59
Hexxeh[3391:3391:3283379661:ERROR:native_library_linux.cc(32)] dlopen failed when trying to open libGLESv2.so: /opt/vc/lib/libGLESv2.so: undefined symbol: client_tls20:01
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vgradeHexxeh, tls, hard/softfp issue?20:09
HexxehGah, good point, I switched to a softfp toolchain, can't remember which toolchain I used to build libEGL.so20:10
HexxehI'll rebuild it20:10
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trip0lbt, anyone tried to build a complex package against harmattan on obs?  complex meaning multiple sub-packages with interdependencies?20:19
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lbttrip0: I wouldn't know - what problem are you thinking of20:20
trip0i've got a subpackage that depends on another subpackage.  i can build it on ubuntu but obs can't find the dependency20:21
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lbttrip0: nw issues :/20:31
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trip0oh, network20:32
lbttrip0: that looks like it builds OK but there's a problem with the dpkg-shlibdeps tool20:32
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edkedkhi all21:01
edkedki just installed Nemo on my n900 external sd card (16gb) with instructions from the wiki mer project21:02
edkedki used windows host to write the raw image to the sd card21:02
edkedkwrite was succesful, but when booting it stops on the console, can not reboot or turn off, only turn of by removing battery21:03
edkedkkernel will nog boot, cant find root fs21:03
edkedkshould I try an older version of nemo image ?21:04
edkedki read that new version could have trouble with writing to sd21:04
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vgradelbt, more info on the looping bug in bugzilla21:09
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lbtvgrade: is that an old SDK that's been upgraded?21:30
lbtdo a : ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab21:30
lbtas root, inside the sdk21:30
lbtnew SDKs should have /etc/mtab created by the ks21:31
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vgradelbt, passed on the info. Not sure of age, probably about a week old.22:00
lbtif /etc/mtab is missing that's a bug :/22:01
lbtsee https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/latest/images/mer-sdk-i486-chroot/mer-sb2sdk-i486-chroot-latest.ks ... that makes it22:02
vgradeuser has added himself to bug so I've updated there as well22:03
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b-man`Stskeeps: ping!22:27
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Maceranybody here use mcabber?23:46
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