#mer log for Tuesday, 2012-04-17

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Alison_Chaiken	vgrade, did you run the ARM IVI on HW? IMX QSB maybe?	00:13
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timoph	E-P: you manged to run all the tests inside the sdk chroot?	03:40
timoph	for me they're still running	03:41
timoph	(started yesterday)	03:41
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Stskeeps	morn	04:47
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E-P	timoph: yes I was able, maybe you have some problems with ssh connection?	05:24
E-P	because I didn't have ssh-server on my computer	05:25
E-P	for me it took only 5mins to execute the tests	05:27
Stskeeps	E-P: did we have another QA meeting here thursday at 12 UTC?	05:27
iekku	morning	05:27
Stskeeps	morn iekku o/	05:27
E-P	Stskeeps: I haven't yet propose any timing, but preliminary discussion was that let's have it on thursday at 11 UTC	05:28
iekku	coffeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ	05:28
E-P	I will make a post about that today	05:28
Stskeeps	E-P: ok	05:28
E-P	thanks for the reminder :)	05:29
Stskeeps	E-P: i -should- be able to attend.. i'll get my internet line switched to a 60mbit/s one that day, so no idea how badly they'll screw up my network here :)	05:29
E-P	Stskeeps: let's hope the best but expect the worst	05:29
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* Stskeeps ponders idly what to work on today		05:32
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_av500_	Alison_Chaiken: kernel command line is compiled in	05:42
_av500_	you can repartition the HDD of course	05:42
_av500_	but there is also emmc on the HDD units	05:42
_av500_	and it always boots from emmc, not hdd	05:42
_av500_	the hdd units have like a 4gb emmc	05:43
_av500_	so treat the hdd as extra storage, not main	05:43
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ZiQiangHuan	Stskeeps: when I complie something in the chroot environment, I have to set the files' user and user group to 399, why ?	05:49
Stskeeps	ZiQiangHuan: 'su abuild' in it	05:51
Stskeeps	399 = user abuild	05:51
ZiQiangHuan	Stskeeps: ok, thank you	05:52
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Stskeeps	Sage: problem with -next is some patches lbt made in order not to break other distros	06:17
Stskeeps	except we forgot which they were :)	06:18
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Stskeeps	feck, harmattan builds in obs are slow	06:20
Sage	Stskeeps: :( let me know when that is fixed as it really blocks everything I try to do in cobs. :(	06:21
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Stskeeps	yes	06:22
Stskeeps	i just found out harmattan broke, so that's a start	06:22
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niqt	morning all	06:26
Stskeeps	morn niqt	06:31
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Stskeeps	Sage: think i found cause of harmattan builds breaking	06:48
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vgrade	morn	07:07
Stskeeps	vgrade: good work on tz-ivi	07:08
vgrade	will try on arm when I get a moment	07:08
vgrade	Sage, do you have a nemo panda ks?	07:09
furikku	hello	07:10
Stskeeps	lo furikku	07:10
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Sage	vgrade: yes	07:17
Sage	sec	07:17
Sage	vgrade: https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/image-configurations/blobs/master/kickstarts/Nemo/handset-armv7l-pandaboard.ks	07:17
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Stskeeps	lbt: ping when awake	07:26
Stskeeps	timoph: have you done any more thought into authorized_keys command="" stuff?	07:29
timoph	Stskeeps: not yet	07:29
Stskeeps	k	07:29
Stskeeps	i'll take a peek today and see what can be done	07:29
timoph	ok	07:29
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Stskeeps	morn slaine	07:37
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slaine	morning folks	07:41
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Stskeeps	morn Attie	07:55
dm8tbr	moaning from wrocław	07:56
Attie	morning!	07:57
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Stskeeps	timoph: http://pastie.org/3802999	08:04
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Alison_Chaiken	Thanks for the explanation, _av500_. That's sort of what I figured. Not even testdisk found a /boot partition, and that means it ain't there!	08:10
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Stskeeps	Attie, for you and sledges: [00:22] <vgrade> Stskeeps, sledges, tizen ref ivi UX. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1ToY7zNUm8 , built for ARM as well, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=ux-ivi-xlib&project=home%3Avgrade%3Amivi	08:13
Attie	oo aces, i'll check it out - thanks both!	08:14
timoph	Stskeeps: hacks with pride :) looks good	08:16
Sage	tizen ivi dialer is the same we are using? :)	08:18
Stskeeps	nah, theirs is hfdialer i think	08:18
Stskeeps	hmm	08:18
Sage	ok, just wondered about the video	08:18
Stskeeps	actually a good question..	08:19
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lbt	morning ... pong Stskeeps	08:24
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lbt	build quoting...	08:24
Stskeeps	lbt: i've confirmed that merproject 'build' breaks on harmattan	08:24
Stskeeps	i also have a fix	08:24
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Stskeeps	http://pastie.org/3803077	08:25
Stskeeps	was able to succesfully compile locally after that	08:26
lbt	ok	08:27
Stskeeps	so that's one down	08:27
Stskeeps	what other targets do we have to test?	08:27
lbt	which build is that patch against ?	08:27
Stskeeps	merproject/obs-build	08:28
lbt	there is a 2012.02.28 version of build out	08:29
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lbt	erm 2012.03.06 even	08:30
Stskeeps	yes	08:30
Stskeeps	for the moment we want to get a mer release out and tested, and a complete upgrade doesn't seem feasible atm	08:30
lbt	I was just looking what was done in it - nothing crucial	08:31
lbt	I'd rather see the version on cobs patched so I know what to revert to	08:32
lbt	I'll do that though	08:32
Stskeeps	we have to get rid of your quoting patches and get as close to merproject/obs-build as possible (with perhaps your xen patches), plus this patch	08:32
Stskeeps	though we should really test more targets	08:33
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Stskeeps	so i was wondering what other obs targets we can try to verify	08:35
lbt	obs-light on F15	08:36
Stskeeps	ok	08:36
lbt	it breaks everything :/	08:36
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* Stskeeps tests		08:40
lbt	this is just a hack - right?	08:40
lbt	we're re-doing enter_target 'properly' before pushing upstream	08:40
Stskeeps	the entire sb2 patch is changed in the other approach, yes	08:40
lbt	OK then	08:41
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* Stskeeps tests obslight		08:41
lbt	I'm not really happy about swapping the build script out as a big chunk	08:41
Stskeeps	that's why we test first, but we need to run similar scripts as in merproject/ and on CI and on vendor obs'es	08:42
Stskeeps	else our release validation is nil	08:42
lbt	I agree	08:44
Stskeeps	QA guys: is there ways to do tests like "do you see the following on your device screen", where it does one automatic step, and one manual query?	08:45
E-P	Stskeeps: it is possible, the test-definition support both manual and automatic steps	08:46
Stskeeps	ok	08:46
Stskeeps	lbt: i might have a clue for your fedora15 crashes btw	08:46
E-P	timoph: you remember that better ^	08:47
lbt	?	08:47
timoph	it does	08:47
Stskeeps	47/212] installing glibc-common-2.13.90-9	08:47
Stskeeps	warning: /.init_b_cache/glibc-common.rpm: Header V3 RSA/SHA256 Signature, key ID 069c8460: NOKEY	08:47
Stskeeps	error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/libexec/pt_chown: cpio: cap_set_file failed - Operation not supported	08:47
Stskeeps	error: glibc-common-2.13.90-9.i686: install failed	08:47
Stskeeps	exit ...	08:47
Stskeeps	that's on a tmpfs	08:47
Stskeeps	from f15	08:48
lbt	ta - they're hard to spot on cobs (and frankly I put very little effort into it)	08:48
* Stskeeps tries kvm		08:49
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timoph	http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/Testrunner-lite#Manual_Test_Cases	08:49
lbt	any clue what it's trying to do? suid?	08:49
Stskeeps	lbt: probably posix capabilities	08:50
lbt	http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/patch-tmpfs-implement-xattr-support-entire-security-namespace-help-202743342.html	08:50
Stskeeps	lbt: my 'build' with that patch succeeded f15 kvm build	08:50
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Stskeeps	any other targets to test?	08:51
lbt	Mer:Tools builds on debian and suse	08:52
lbt	:Testing	08:52
lbt	mic	08:52
Stskeeps	ok, sec	08:52
lbt	(looking at the monitor for one that actually builds on them)	08:52
lbt	https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting	08:53
Stskeeps	will verify debian 6.0 while i'm at it	08:53
lbt	is this going to break -current ?	08:57
Stskeeps	also a valid thing to test	08:58
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slaine	Perhaps make a checklist of the things your testing for next time	08:58
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Stskeeps	yeah, i'm hoping lbt is taking notes	08:59
lbt	I am ... "ask Stskeeps to rerun tests" :D	08:59
Stskeeps	:P	09:00
Stskeeps	lbt: Debian_6.0 acts odd	09:00
Stskeeps	i'll investigate	09:00
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* lbt notes that this may mean that people using older versions of mer (like sonach) may not be able to use newer OBS ?		09:02
Stskeeps	another good test to make?	09:02
Stskeeps	pre-sb2	09:02
Stskeeps	that one is already problematic due to hostarch, though	09:02
lbt	nod	09:02
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timoph	Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3803225	09:06
timoph	sampos: was there a way to tell tr-lite to print the step output to stdout?	09:06
timoph	ah. -p	09:07
timoph	sampos: nevermind :)	09:07
timoph	actually -P	09:08
Stskeeps	timoph: will it be a problem if you can't do an interactive shell with eat key?	09:08
timoph	not sure	09:08
timoph	in that case you at least need to skip the manual cases	09:09
timoph	--automatic	09:09
Stskeeps	ie, you can't 'ssh -i .ssh/id_eat_dsa root@DUT' and expect to get a working bash	09:10
lbt	Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=Mer%3AOBS%3ATestBuilds	09:10
* timoph ponders		09:10
lbt	Stskeeps: why can't you do that with ssh ?	09:10
Stskeeps	ah, nevermind	09:11
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Stskeeps	found a way	09:11
marquiz_	lbt, Stskeeps: is there some documentation how the sb2 builds actually happen?	09:12
marquiz_	or is the source code the best doc?	09:12
lbt	marquiz_: in what way? as a user?	09:12
Stskeeps	http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SB2 and SB2 itself will have documentation either today or tomorrow	09:12
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marquiz_	lbt: behind the scenes	09:13
sledges	Stskeeps, what about repeating harbaum's (or yours) effort this time for 1.2: http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/beagleboard/meego.outdated/ivi-armv7l-beagle.ks	09:13
marquiz_	Stskeeps: ok, thanks	09:13
sledges	(good morning :))	09:13
Stskeeps	sledges: that one was only possible because there was a 'good enough' 1.2 prerelease	09:13
lbt	marquiz_: it use LD_PRELOAD to intercept system calls and redirect IO	09:13
Stskeeps	which is, afaik, gone now	09:13
sledges	Stskeeps, that one is 1.1	09:14
Stskeeps	sledges: that ivi image is also not the same stack	09:14
Stskeeps	ie, it's old ivi interface	09:14
marquiz_	Stskeeps, lbt: i just wonder would a local sb2/osc buildroot be usable as a easy-to-use "platform sdk"	09:16
timoph	Stskeeps: btw, writing test xmls docs are still in my user page (I'll try to clean them and put them into a better location asap) - http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/User:Timoph	09:16
Stskeeps	marquiz_: did you see platform SDK and our sb2 pages?	09:16
lbt	marquiz_: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2	09:16
Stskeeps	http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK , http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2	09:16
Stskeeps	lbt is quicker than me today	09:16
lbt	you're actually working...	09:17
timoph	but we need to agree on some terminology before that..	09:17
marquiz_	lbt, Stskeeps: big thanks!	09:17
lbt	timoph: I suggest not actually using user pages	09:17
timoph	:)	09:17
lbt	just start hacking in the open	09:17
* timoph is x)		09:17
Stskeeps	marquiz_: i saw the 'qbs' thing from tizen ivi, it could be interesting to sb2-enable that at some point too	09:17
Stskeeps	err	09:17
Stskeeps	gbs	09:17
Stskeeps	damnit	09:17
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timoph	lbt: happy? :) -> http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Quality/TestDefinitionHowTo	09:22
timoph	hmmh. could've dropped the HowTo part from the page name actually	09:24
Stskeeps	timoph: a nice sideeffect .. log in with eat key to user session with interactive session == you're placed in the right dbus and x environment	09:25
Attie	Stskeeps: if we were to try to 'skim' off the 1.2 UI and install it on a 1.1 system, do you know how far the dependancies would go?	09:25
Attie	i presume we would end up with conflicts, or missing packages	09:26
Stskeeps	Attie: i wouldn't do that, if i were you	09:26
Stskeeps	that's about as well as i can say that :P	09:26
Attie	heh :)	09:26
Attie	righto....... :(	09:26
timoph	Stskeeps: :)	09:27
* l3i realizes he's not actually having much time for Mer QA activities...		09:27
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Stskeeps	l3i: input always helps, too	09:27
timoph	l3i: don't worry about it	09:27
Stskeeps	we have a rule here that any contribution, no matter how small, is valuable	09:27
l3i	Stskeeps, timoph: Just noticed that I've been missing some discussion already	09:27
Stskeeps	because a lot of small contributions make a big one :)	09:28
l3i	:)	09:28
Stskeeps	l3i: and don't worry about it, i miss discussions at times too	09:28
Stskeeps	and i'm practically always around :)	09:28
* timoph misses things all the time		09:29
Stskeeps	which is why we have sync meetings once in a while :P	09:30
mdfe_	good morning	09:31
Stskeeps	good morning mdfe :)	09:31
Stskeeps	timoph: http://pastie.org/3803317	09:32
mdfe_	lbt: did you change anything on the OBS config for arm?	09:33
Stskeeps	mdfe_: we are investigating why -next is breaking	09:33
mdfe_	thx	09:33
Stskeeps	or rather, we know why it is, but we're investigating how not to break everything else ;)	09:34
timoph	Stskeeps: cool	09:34
Stskeeps	timoph: could even run dbus-monitor earlier	09:34
timoph	:)	09:34
timoph	strong indication for that working	09:35
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Stskeeps	yes	09:35
timoph	hmmh. should try running some user space tests. ie. tests for some applciation for it	09:36
timoph	iirc testrunner-ui tests require tdriver	09:37
timoph	so not going there (at least not yet)	09:37
* timoph goes ask kyranta (works in the same place as me nowadays, btw :))		09:37
Stskeeps	timoph: http://pastie.org/3803353	09:38
timoph	Stskeeps: what's that last line about locale?	09:39
Stskeeps	that's me screwing up eglibc	09:40
timoph	ok	09:40
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Stskeeps	hmm	09:44
Stskeeps	how would i indicate a private key to testrunner-ui ?	09:44
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timoph	--ssh-key=/path/to/KEY	09:44
timoph	ah. ui	09:45
timoph	needs to be implemented for it afaik	09:45
Stskeeps	ok	09:45
lbt	Stskeeps: hows the debian problem looking ?	09:45
timoph	shouldn't be too big thing to implement though	09:45
Stskeeps	lbt: took a detour	09:45
* l3i also has some kind of problem with getting Mer emails		09:47
Stskeeps	timoph: running testrunner-lite against a device with eat-device now :)	09:47
l3i	I'm getting some bounce messages about Mer emails	09:47
* timoph crosses fingers		09:48
Stskeeps	l3i: nokia email is traditionally a bit awkward, if you've subscribed with that one	09:48
l3i	Stskeeps: Well, I have.. maybe time to change to another email	09:48
Stskeeps	timoph: i'm running blts-x11-tests and seeing birds..	09:48
timoph	\o/	09:48
Stskeeps	timoph: so that's positive	09:48
Stskeeps	in nemo@ user too	09:48
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Stskeeps	hmm	09:54
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Stskeeps	where was the xslt files for test results?	09:54
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Stskeeps	http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/output.xml , timoph	09:56
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timoph	https://gitorious.org/test-execution-tools/test-definition/blobs/master/src/data/testdefinition-results.xsl	10:00
timoph	need to fix the packaging to also install that	10:01
Stskeeps	:nod:	10:01
harbaum_	vgrade: Where did you find the zt-280 source? Or did you grab the zt-180 git? Or something from amlogic?	10:03
Stskeeps	timoph: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/output.html :)	10:03
Stskeeps	we probably need to fix the xslt to be mer instead, but .. ;)	10:03
Stskeeps	sledges: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/output.html	10:03
timoph	yeah. otherwise looks very good	10:03
timoph	might as well fix at the same time when including it to the package	10:04
pirut	3/query djszapi	10:04
Stskeeps	sledges: output from our test frameworks	10:04
timoph	Stskeeps: seems that the failures are caused by not running as root	10:08
timoph	out of interest can you rerun that as root?	10:08
vgrade	new Pi just arrived	10:08
slaine	Oooo, nice	10:08
slaine	don't think I'll be getting mine 'til next month	10:09
* timoph is still waiting for being able to order the Qt on Pi board		10:09
vgrade	worth getting up at 5.30am	10:09
slaine	grade, yeah, though I still couldn't get the order through	10:09
slaine	ended up phoning one in at 8:30	10:10
Stskeeps	timoph: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/output2.html hmm	10:12
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timoph	Stskeeps: parameters get grouped wrong?	10:16
Stskeeps	not sure	10:16
Stskeeps	entirely possible	10:16
timoph	thinking if it needs to be "SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND"	10:16
timoph	or something	10:16
timoph	since the error msg is logger complaining and if I understand that correctly that -e is supposed to be supplied to the blts-x11-tests binary	10:18
timoph	or root's ssh config doesn't work like user's conf	10:19
lbt	Stskeeps: what time is R mgmt meeting?	10:21
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lbt	40m	10:21
lbt	?	10:21
Stskeeps	lbt: ok	10:24
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Stskeeps	timoph: so, i think i'm about done rearchitecting, can i SR it back to you and you'll move it forward to the QA tools repo etc?	10:25
timoph	ok	10:25
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Stskeeps	SR#4743	10:26
timoph	accepted	10:27
Stskeeps	k	10:27
timoph	I'll play around with it a bit later and see how it works now	10:28
Stskeeps	the addition is pretty simple, su -c '/usr/bin/eat-add-device-key' -	10:28
Stskeeps	in %post	10:28
Stskeeps	and eat-device in %packages	10:28
Stskeeps	you can then eat-add-device-key - nemo as well	10:28
timoph	ack	10:29
Stskeeps	and on host, eat-host, and eat-install-host-key	10:29
E-P	nice	10:30
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Stskeeps	E-P: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=eat.spec&package=eat&project=home%3Atimoph&rev=6c4624184b5c40141a2c1ffb83ef9f7f if you want to see how it looks now	10:31
Stskeeps	E-P: functionality, you can log in with EAT key and it automatically sets up correct environment for interactive session, or command	10:32
Stskeeps	which is dumped from within the x session	10:32
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E-P	Stskeeps: looks and sounds good	10:33
Stskeeps	solution might be generic enough for other distros too	10:35
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E-P	yep it looks like that	10:39
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Sage	RE meeting?	10:45
Stskeeps	yes, in 15 min	10:45
sledges	Stskeeps, that really looks cool	10:55
Stskeeps	Release management meeting in #mer-meeting now	11:02
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mdfe_	hi all, I have a question about specify on mer	11:48
lbt	?	11:48
Stskeeps	mm?	11:48
lbt	he's teasing us...	11:49
mdfe_	we have the effect that e.g. kdelibs claims about in source tree builds	11:49
mdfe_	does specify 0.23 do build out of source by default?	11:50
lbt	specify converts a yaml file to a spec file	11:51
lbt	nothing else	11:51
mdfe_	I meen does specify 0.23 configures the spec file for in source tree builds	11:51
lbt	(well... kinda)	11:51
lbt	show me the yaml/spec :)	11:51
lbt	since the answer is "it has a default template when no spec is provided ... but once a spec is in place it mainly edits sections"	11:52
mdfe_	I had to do this to get kdelibs building again	11:52
mdfe_	https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=kdelibs&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&rev=296	11:52
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mdfe_	cmake broke on error before and claims about that in source tree build	11:53
Sage	lbt: works if it is like UTC 12:00 or something. that 25th	11:53
Stskeeps	hello reodge	11:54
Stskeeps	mdfe_: hmm, you have to run cmake inside a certain directory?	11:54
reodge	hey hey	11:54
lbt	Sage: OK - and generally making that a policy discussion day?	11:54
Stskeeps	reodge: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?	11:54
reodge	just interested really :)	11:54
mdfe_	Stskeeps: yes, it looks like this	11:54
reodge	thought i'd hang out and see what goes on	11:54
Stskeeps	reodge: sure, if you have any questions, feel free to ask :)	11:55
Stskeeps	mdfe_: hmm, i'm a little unsure how %cmake is defined	11:55
mdfe_	me too	11:55
Sage	lbt: sure should work for me	11:56
lbt	it's not a standard Builder: option	11:56
mdfe_	its no big deals, but sadly the PA spec files are not all overhault by specify 0.23 at the moment	11:56
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Stskeeps	mdfe_: you may be able to stuff some stuff into the << pre stuff	11:58
Stskeeps	ie, mkdir meego-build, cd meego-build	11:58
Stskeeps	and %cmake .. instead of %cmake .	11:58
mdfe_	good idea	11:58
mdfe_	thanks	11:58
mdfe_	but is there any reason why the behaviour of specify has changed to in source tree builds?	11:59
lbt	mdfe_: what's changed?	11:59
lbt	was that changes just due to re-running specify ?	12:00
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vgrade	Sage, thanks for the link. You're right about the dialer. I did not build the tizen dialer but it would seem the namespace with nemo dialer is the same so it brings that up from the tizen UI	12:01
mdfe_	sorry I don't know for sure, but it looks like specify in version 0.23 configures the spec files in a way to build directly inside the source.	12:01
Stskeeps	mdfe_: got an earlier version you used before?	12:01
lbt	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Cmake	12:01
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mdfe_	lbt: please see https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=kdelibs&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&rev=296	12:02
Stskeeps	mdfe_: that's an edit you did, i presume?	12:02
mdfe_	yes, but this are just changes by specify	12:02
Stskeeps	https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=kdelibs&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&rev=295 is what specify did?	12:03
mdfe_	except the new patch	12:03
lbt	mdfe_: yes, I'm looking at it - the question is : was it automatically done or did you do it by hand?	12:03
mdfe_	but yes	12:03
mdfe_	it was done by lamarque, but he just added a new patch und used the specify 0.23 version	12:04
Stskeeps	ok	12:04
Stskeeps	let me read specify template for a moment	12:04
mdfe_	in 296 I used specify 0.22 to get it building again	12:05
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Stskeeps	mdfe_: ok, so, my theory is that someone added the meego-build stuff manually, but outside the << >> stuff, so spectacle removes it if it doesn't match it's template	12:07
lbt	Stskeeps: mdfe_ said "I used specify 0.22 to get it building again"	12:07
Stskeeps	yes	12:07
Stskeeps	0.23 had this bugfix: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15768	12:08
lbt	so ... who added: +mkdir meego-build	12:09
slaine	That was me	12:09
slaine	Oh, sorry, wrong window ;)	12:09
mdfe_	lol	12:09
lbt	g	12:09
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lbt	mdfe_: the -BR is fine - that's a bug	12:10
mdfe_	this 'mkdir meego-build' came from my specify installation	12:10
Stskeeps	interesting	12:10
lbt	so it looks like you may be running a meego version of spectacle	12:10
mdfe_	yep	12:11
lbt	was this done in the SDK ?	12:11
Stskeeps	mdfe_: got a URL for that one?	12:11
lbt	if not, mdfe_: can you try to run SDK spectacle?	12:11
mdfe_	of cause	12:11
Stskeeps	sdk spectacle == 0.23, afaik	12:11
lbt	oh yeah... d'oh	12:12
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mdfe_	but my question is, does your 0.23 specify configure any spec file for out of source builds?	12:13
Stskeeps	mdfe_: i think the 'builder: cmake' handling may be a bit broken in 0.23	12:13
mdfe_	this means this e.g. 'cd mer-build	12:13
mdfe_	I would like to see all spec files generated by specify 0.23	12:14
Stskeeps	mdfe_: it seems like that for Builder: cmake it will do the build within source	12:14
Stskeeps	for other builder types it doesn't really	12:14
mdfe_	brb	12:15
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slaine	lbt, rcobsapidelayed start in the fe start is failing	12:20
slaine	where's the logs for that saved ?	12:20
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lbt	slaine: not sure ... give me 10m ... eating	12:25
slaine	no worries	12:26
slaine	I also had to change the DB setup part as it was failing	12:26
* Sage is waiting for the fix for the build issues with curren -next build		12:26
slaine	no pressure	12:27
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mdfe_	Stskeeps: does it make sense to add this ot of source build magic to specify 0.23?	12:30
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Stskeeps	mdfe_: possibly	12:30
astarter	hello can someone help me	12:31
mdfe_	so we should start a RFC?	12:31
Stskeeps	mdfe_: patch is probably easier :)	12:31
mdfe_	g	12:31
mdfe_	sure	12:31
Stskeeps	hello astarter :) so what brings you here?	12:31
astarter	i am running into a problem while trying to install nemo on virtualbox	12:31
mdfe_	Stskeeps: I will create a patch	12:32
astarter	i was hoping someone could help me	12:32
Stskeeps	astarter: sure, you can ask in #nemomobile as well	12:32
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Stskeeps	astarter: just ask the question :)	12:32
astarter	Stskeeps : thanks ^^. i downloaded the image and ran the virtual machine. When i open up the terminal, All i can see is a black page	12:33
Stskeeps	astarter: yes, that's a known bug due to a problem in the LLVMpipe graphics driver	12:33
astarter	ahh what can i do to overcome this?	12:33
astarter	i can see the terminal on the home screen though	12:34
Stskeeps	astarter: you can get out by moving mouse to bottom and making a upwards motion, to get to task switcher	12:34
Stskeeps	astarter: there's no known fix right now, we're still working on it	12:34
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astarter	ahh ok thank you for your time	12:34
Stskeeps	astarter: the problem is that there's no DRI driver for the xorg driver we use on virtualbox	12:34
Stskeeps	and we haven't made virtualbox'es own yet	12:36
astarter	will it be possible to load nemo on any smartphone in the end?	12:37
Sage	astarter: n900, n950 and n9. And hopefully galaxy nexus soon ;)	12:37
astarter	Sage: that is nice indeed ^^	12:37
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astarter	ahh i see	12:37
astarter	maybe this should be mentioned in the wiki page for installing in a virtual machine. as of now, it is not	12:39
astarter	Stskeeps: Would it be possible to install on a regular laptop, the wiki page only mentions i586	12:39
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Stskeeps	feel free to edit it i	12:40
Stskeeps	n	12:40
Stskeeps	astarter: it's a mobile UI, not terribly useful on a netbook/laptop	12:40
astarter	Stskeeps: I like to try stupid things ^^ from time to time	12:40
Stskeeps	hehe	12:40
Stskeeps	there's better things to do :) do you have any coding skills?	12:41
astarter	c++ and qt i guess	12:41
astarter	Stskeeps: any place i can help out with	12:42
Stskeeps	sure, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo , http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedUsingQtSDK , http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Roadmap	12:42
mord	[Desktop Entry]	12:43
mord	ahbugger	12:43
mord	sry	12:43
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Stskeeps	[Desktop Entry] is your friend	12:44
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Stskeeps	astarter: also, the #nemomobile channels is where Nemo crowd hangs out	12:47
astarter	ahh okey. i tihnk i see both though hehe	12:47
astarter	thanks for the bottom to top thingy. i enter the code, and switch to task manager to see what was entered hehe	12:48
Stskeeps	hehe	12:48
Stskeeps	you can also <host key>-f2	12:48
Stskeeps	to get out into console	12:48
Stskeeps	host key varies on your virtualbox setting	12:48
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astarter	ahh	12:49
astarter	what is the status of mer project as of now?	12:50
Stskeeps	we're quite active, making releases, good content each time	12:50
Stskeeps	subscribe to mer-general@ to follow, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mailing_lists , archives for previous work	12:51
astarter	coolies	12:51
Stskeeps	for the maemo crowd in here, there's a 'future of maemo' meeting at 15:00 UTC in #maemo-meeting	12:53
DocScrutinizer	thanks	12:53
Stskeeps	astarter: mer's just a core, so there's a bunch of interesting things happening on top of it, not only nemo :)	12:54
astarter	Stskeeps: what difficulties would i face if i try to install nemo into a mobile other than nokia. lets say i try to install this in galaxy s2 for example	12:55
Stskeeps	astarter: you'd have to do the hardware adaptation yourself	12:55
Stskeeps	which is complex at times	12:56
astarter	ahh so rather than use the raw image, i would have to generate it myself?	12:56
Stskeeps	yeah, and the kernel, 3d acceleration adaptation, etc	12:56
astarter	i see	12:56
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Stskeeps	it's easier when you're a OEM and doing a product	12:57
astarter	the reason why i was interested was to replace a oem installed os or googles android with a os that is more open source i guess	12:58
slaine	lbt, hmm, everything seems to be working after a reboot	12:58
slaine	I'll setup MDS and I'll try importing a few packages	12:59
astarter	thanks for all your help ^^	13:01
Stskeeps	astarter: no problem, feel free to hang out	13:01
astarter	Stskeeps: about this future of meamo meeting, i thought that maemo had been discarded for meego?	13:02
Stskeeps	astarter: there's a community called maemo.org as well	13:02
astarter	may i join the meeting even though i have no clue about it?	13:02
Stskeeps	sure, irc meetings are usually open to the public - just treat it like you walked into a team meeting	13:03
astarter	ahh okay	13:03
Stskeeps	astarter: all mer meetings are open too	13:03
astarter	are the time mailed to though in the mailing list?	13:04
Stskeeps	of mer meetings, yes, sometimes, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Meetings	13:04
astarter	coolies thanks	13:05
Stskeeps	actually, i'm wrong, it's maemo council meeting, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-April/005085.html	13:09
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sledges	anyone experienced with video-over-IP Open Source (Linuxy)?	13:16
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Stskeeps	sledges: well, doesn't telepathy have some things?	13:17
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sledges	anything on Harmattan yet?	13:18
sledges	thinking of putting together something from scratch	13:18
Stskeeps	nah, don't do NIH :)	13:18
Stskeeps	check out what existing frameworks has to offer	13:18
Stskeeps	gstreamer, as well	13:18
Stskeeps	video-over-ip is insanely complex at times	13:19
sledges	yes, that's what I mean, just wondering which low-level underlying framework to choose	13:19
sledges	wondered also what's spinning on N9..	13:19
Stskeeps	gstreamer, probably	13:19
sledges	#n9 say it's telepathy/xmpp	13:22
niqt	telepathy use gstreamer	13:29
niqt	i use telepathy	13:29
sledges	and what does a Video for GTalk plug-in use? (the actual question probably is what does GTalk use for voip)	13:32
niqt	telepathy-gabble	13:32
niqt	is the plugin for gtalk	13:33
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sledges	understood, thank you niqt	13:34
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niqt	;)	13:35
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lardman	Anyone know the status of Linux on the Archos G9, presumably one uses the Pandaboard PowerVR stuff, and I see the git kernel code has a Ti wifi driver, but what about the GPS?	13:35
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lardman	shame about no back camera, I wonder if they do camera usb sticks to fit in the 3G dongle slot, or perhaps a bit of soldering :)	13:41
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Alison_Chaiken	lardman, there are demos of PlasmaActive running on G9. Try asking on #active too.	15:17
lardman	Alison_Chaiken: cool, thanks	15:17
Alison_Chaiken	lardman, nonetheless, not all the HW is well-supported, though the project is, well, active.	15:18
lardman	sure, I think the Archos is ruled out for me due to the lack of a back camera. I'll crack on with the Tab powervr driver coersion	15:20
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Alison_Chaiken	I've spent a lot of time on hardware adaptation for graphics before. The tricky part is getting all the proprietary userspace libs in the right places.	15:22
Alison_Chaiken	Just keep running eglinfo() and eglgears() over and over until they work!	15:22
Stskeeps	mer-gfx-tests is a godsend in that matter	15:23
Alison_Chaiken	Speaking of which, _av500_ , I guess that 101g9 Archos tablet is limited to single-boot functionality, since there's no easy way to change the bootloader?	15:23
Alison_Chaiken	So if I replace the Android userland with the PlasmaActive one, the init process will automagically find P.A. and start it?	15:24
Alison_Chaiken	mer-gfx-tests, cool. Intel also has a suite of EGL-based tools that are easy to cross-compile and use on ARM.	15:24
Alison_Chaiken	I managed to get them to compile against bionic and run on Android last fall, even.	15:25
Alison_Chaiken	Those tools only provide a little diagnostics, but they are a great "hello world" for EGL.	15:25
Stskeeps	yep	15:26
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slaine	man, what a day	15:33
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vgrade	lbt, where can I find the mic source for sdk?	17:41
lbt	http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Mic	17:42
lbt	we'll move it to mer-tools/mic	17:42
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vgrade	cheers,	17:44
vgrade	lbt someone with the loop issue asked	17:48
lbt	would love to get that resolved	17:48
vgrade	yes, I would like to use IMG	17:49
lbt	I'm working on that tomorrow	17:50
lbt	hmm - although if someone else is I could do other things	17:50
vgrade	I'll let you know if he finds anything, he's US so probably looking now	17:51
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vgrade	lbt, https://github.com/jfding/mic/commit/d35ca289aa5adf749451b58f1bc49b1ee995f717	18:00
lbt	heh	18:02
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trip0	hi	18:11
vgrade	trip0, hi	18:16
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vgrade	lbt, that commit looks hopeful	18:30
vgrade	whats the best way to get that to people who are having the issue?	18:32
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lbt	hmm	18:39
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Stskeeps	moo	18:53
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lbt	vgrade: can you ask them to try the version building in Mer:Tools:Testing	19:10
lbt	mic-0.8.acf9b1	19:10
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Stskeeps	lbt: i didn't get further in figuring out debian_6.0, will be my priority for tomorrow	19:12
lbt	nod	19:12
Stskeeps	(was away for driving lessons tonight, so vanished after 'work')	19:13
vgrade	lbt , ok , is it just a zypper up	19:13
lbt	Stskeeps: that explains a lot about how you felt driving the mountain roads in SF	19:14
lbt	vgrade: it should be	19:14
vgrade	thanks	19:14
lbt	we should be building the SDK against :Tools though	19:14
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lbt	yep - it's against :Testing still	19:15
vgrade	lbt , thanks I'll let you know	19:20
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Stskeeps	lbt: you should try warsaw streets, i figure if i can deal with them, i can handle hong kong and other insane places too	19:23
Stskeeps	:P	19:23
trip0	nothing is worse than downtown hillsboro	19:24
trip0	ROFL	19:24
lbt	hehe	19:24
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Stskeeps	here there seems to be a rule you may only stay in same lane for 5 seconds at a time	19:27
Stskeeps	:P	19:28
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Hexxeh	Stskeeps: You wrote the EGL override hack, right?	19:34
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Stskeeps	yes?	19:34
Stskeeps	:P	19:34
Stskeeps	don't ask me how to handle mouse cursor :)	19:34
Hexxeh	Can I bug you some about it?	19:34
Stskeeps	yes, sure	19:34
Hexxeh	I've just brought Chromium up on a Raspberry Pi	19:34
Stskeeps	yeah, i saw the tweet	19:35
Hexxeh	I'm hoping to use it in Chromium OS	19:35
Stskeeps	are your apps mostly fullscreen?	19:35
Hexxeh	Where Chromium is the only window a user sees, and so the fullscreen thing isn't a problem	19:35
Stskeeps	ok	19:35
Hexxeh	What are the catches with it other than that?	19:35
Stskeeps	mouse cursor has to be gles rendered too.	19:35
Hexxeh	So there's no mouse cursor?	19:36
Stskeeps	correct, as far as i know, the dispman layer goes on top	19:36
Stskeeps	of whatever you have in x	19:36
Stskeeps	-maybe- you can have the layering done differently for framebuffer itself	19:37
Hexxeh	I should mention, I don't actually know a whole lot about how the X stack works	19:37
Hexxeh	I've compiled the libEGL.so	19:37
Hexxeh	Chrome has a --use-gl=egl flag	19:37
Hexxeh	Does the libEGL.so replace the one I have in /usr/lib or something?	19:38
Stskeeps	yes	19:38
Hexxeh	Doesn't appear to be making any difference, odd.	19:42
Hexxeh	I'll try an strace see if it's actually picking it up	19:42
Stskeeps	http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/glestest.cc	19:43
Stskeeps	that's a nice x11 gles test	19:43
Hexxeh	I'll give it a shot	19:44
* Stskeeps has to head to bed		19:44
CosmoHill	night night Stskeeps	19:46
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Hexxeh	night Stskeeps, cheers for the help	19:48
_ilf_	hi all	19:49
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Sage	Stskeeps: did you find the sb2 issue that is in the .0.1 release?	19:55
Sage	sry, about asking but I really would like to try stuff with nexus :P	19:56
vgrade	Sage, thanks for the ks, its running now	19:56
Sage	vgrade: np	19:56
vgrade	do you have any issues with VT1 blanking?	19:57
vgrade	after a timeout VT1 blanks, I can change to VT2 and login but just get blank on VT1 on return to it	19:58
vgrade	maybe my TV	19:59
Hexxeh	[3391:3391:3283379661:ERROR:native_library_linux.cc(32)] dlopen failed when trying to open libGLESv2.so: /opt/vc/lib/libGLESv2.so: undefined symbol: client_tls	20:01
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vgrade	Hexxeh, tls, hard/softfp issue?	20:09
Hexxeh	Gah, good point, I switched to a softfp toolchain, can't remember which toolchain I used to build libEGL.so	20:10
Hexxeh	I'll rebuild it	20:10
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trip0	lbt, anyone tried to build a complex package against harmattan on obs? complex meaning multiple sub-packages with interdependencies?	20:19
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lbt	trip0: I wouldn't know - what problem are you thinking of	20:20
trip0	i've got a subpackage that depends on another subpackage. i can build it on ubuntu but obs can't find the dependency	20:21
trip0	https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=nobdy&project=home%3Atripzero	20:21
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lbt	trip0: nw issues :/	20:31
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trip0	nw?	20:31
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lbt	adsl	20:32
trip0	oh, network	20:32
trip0	gotcha	20:32
lbt	trip0: that looks like it builds OK but there's a problem with the dpkg-shlibdeps tool	20:32
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edkedk	hi all	21:01
edkedk	i just installed Nemo on my n900 external sd card (16gb) with instructions from the wiki mer project	21:02
edkedk	i used windows host to write the raw image to the sd card	21:02
edkedk	write was succesful, but when booting it stops on the console, can not reboot or turn off, only turn of by removing battery	21:03
edkedk	kernel will nog boot, cant find root fs	21:03
edkedk	panic	21:03
edkedk	should I try an older version of nemo image ?	21:04
edkedk	i read that new version could have trouble with writing to sd	21:04
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vgrade	lbt, more info on the looping bug in bugzilla	21:09
vgrade	https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=240	21:10
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lbt	ta	21:22
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lbt	vgrade: is that an old SDK that's been upgraded?	21:30
lbt	do a : ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab	21:30
lbt	as root, inside the sdk	21:30
lbt	new SDKs should have /etc/mtab created by the ks	21:31
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vgrade	lbt, passed on the info. Not sure of age, probably about a week old.	22:00
lbt	if /etc/mtab is missing that's a bug :/	22:01
lbt	see https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/latest/images/mer-sdk-i486-chroot/mer-sb2sdk-i486-chroot-latest.ks ... that makes it	22:02
vgrade	user has added himself to bug so I've updated there as well	22:03
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b-man`	Stskeeps: ping!	22:27
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Macer	anybody here use mcabber?	23:46
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