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| smoku | Stskeeps: could you take a look at https://github.com/Cordia/glib/issues/1 ? | 00:32 |
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| Narwhalrus | Hello? | 01:29 |
| Narwhalrus | anyone? | 01:31 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I had set aside the next two weeks of my time to play with Mer on brand new Archos tablet. | 01:35 |
| Alison_Chaiken | And just now, when I tried to attach USB, the connector on the table went inside the case. | 01:35 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Which means I will have to return it. | 01:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Which means that it will come after two weeks. | 01:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Which means, I guess to have to face it, that "coding vacation" will not involve Mer after all. | 01:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Not having USB is bad enough, but I'm afraid that connector will short something out and ruin the whole device. | 01:37 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I guess I could try to open the case, but that's idiotic with a new device. | 01:37 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Ooops, device no longer under warranty. | 02:02 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Pulled connector out of case with dental pick. | 02:02 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Hot glue or duct tape, that is the question! | 02:02 |
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| dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: which connector? the small or the large one? | 03:25 |
| rrix | Hot glue, I'd venture | 03:43 |
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| iekku | morning | 04:31 |
| Stskeeps | iekku, i sent out for 12 utc yesterday ;) | 04:57 |
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| * Stskeeps offers iekku more coffee | 05:01 | |
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| iekku | 15/5/2012 ? | 05:08 |
| * iekku offers Stskeeps more coffee | 05:08 | |
| Stskeeps | iekku: yes, that was fixed in a follow up email too :) | 05:09 |
| iekku | :D | 05:09 |
| Stskeeps | which just indicated i shouldn't work on sundays | 05:09 |
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| iekku | :D | 05:10 |
| iekku | i really need to read mails before sending new ones | 05:11 |
| Stskeeps | so will you try to run the triage today then at 12? just so we're sure who does what :) | 05:12 |
| Stskeeps | 12UTC that is | 05:12 |
| iekku | i will | 05:12 |
| Stskeeps | alright, thanks | 05:12 |
| Stskeeps | it's grey and dark and wet outside, one of these days i'm not very motivated to get up :P | 05:13 |
| iekku | didn't really spend time at computer yesterday, and first thing in my mind when i woke ip today was "shit!! the invitation!!!" | 05:13 |
| iekku | sunny here, birds are singing | 05:13 |
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| E-P | Morning | 05:27 |
| Stskeeps | morn E-P | 05:27 |
| Stskeeps | time to find out how to make qt5 and qt4 co-exist in a repo.. | 05:30 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | dm8tbr, the big one. I was just joking about the glue: I bent the spring tabs way out with a tweezers. That should keep the connector outside. | 05:47 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Huomenta suomalainen, by the way. | 05:48 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: i managed to at one point to have my connector on my freerunner drop inside, due to using a usb connector that was a tiny bit too big for it :P | 05:49 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes i miss old styles of plugs :P | 05:49 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I heard a story about US Atomic Test Site in Nevada where techs used 2.25" bolts to hold "physics package" to crane above deep hole. | 05:50 |
| Alison_Chaiken | They were supposed to use 2.5" bolts. Device dropped into deep hole. Miles of cable followed. | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | woops. | 05:51 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Guy's leg was whipped by giant cable, got broken. | 05:51 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Everyone waited to see if they were all dead. | 05:51 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Nothing happened, except maybe somebody lost their job. | 05:51 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Stupid mobile devices though: connector falls inside PC, open case and remount: fixed. | 05:52 |
| Alison_Chaiken | On a more serious note, I take it that Mer kernels require no explicit initramfs, as it's statically linked? | 05:53 |
| Stskeeps | mer kernels just typically have all the settings needed to boot into a system | 05:53 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I guess you can probably tell by looking at KAllsyms? | 05:53 |
| Stskeeps | ie, ext4, mmc drivers, etc | 05:53 |
| Alison_Chaiken | So all we need is vmlinuz, and System.map, and we're good to go then? | 05:54 |
| Alison_Chaiken | In /boot, I mean, of course. | 05:55 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much, just have something that can be loaded by bootloader, boot up, mount the root file system, start mer's init process | 05:56 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: shouldn't be very old why? | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: was working to remove libmeegotouch dependency on it | 06:27 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: please accept the nss fix to the mer as it breaks the projects | 06:28 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, in -next? | 06:28 |
| Sage | yes | 06:28 |
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| Sage | nss has multiple choises atm. | 06:28 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: our compositor is a bit old 1.1.31 vs latest 1.1.35 | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:29 |
| Sage | but not very large changes there it seems | 06:30 |
| Stskeeps | do we know that your nss fix doesn't screw glibc? | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | just worried by the error message in DBC | 06:33 |
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| Stskeeps | i guess i'll check it myself | 06:36 |
| E-P | timoph: ping | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: does your nss and glibc build OK together in your home project? | 06:39 |
| dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: if you need help with mer on that, let me know. there are a few gotchas | 06:40 |
| dm8tbr | and they are to my knowledge not documented | 06:40 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: let me put glibc to there | 06:41 |
| * dm8tbr should write a blarg-post as he was able to get it running | 06:41 | |
| * Stskeeps needs more coffee | 06:43 | |
| * dm8tbr too -.- | 06:45 | |
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| timoph | E-P: yo | 06:48 |
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| E-P | timoph: I ran tr-lite tests in Mer SDK and couple of the tests are failing | 06:50 |
| * timoph doesn't drink coffee but is well stocked with energy drinks :) | 06:50 | |
| E-P | I used packages from your COBS home | 06:50 |
| timoph | ah. those might be old/broken | 06:50 |
| E-P | I didn't have time to trace the failures | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: checking glibc on mer-CI obs too | 06:51 |
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| timoph | E-P: x-tests? | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: boom: http://webui-ci.tspre.org/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=glibc&project=home%3AAdmin%3Acheck-nss&repository=Core_i586 | 06:54 |
| E-P | timoph: if you mean testrunner-lite-tests, then yes | 06:55 |
| timoph | ah. it's own tests | 06:55 |
| E-P | we should check those failures before adding the src and package to obs | 06:55 |
| timoph | I thought you were referring to mcts or something | 06:55 |
| E-P | :) | 06:55 |
| Sage | /usr/bin/ld:/home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/eglibc-2.15/build-i686-linuxnptl/shlib.lds:128: syntax error <- wtf that means? | 06:55 |
| timoph | got a log? | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: do you know what a linker script is? | 06:56 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: I think not. | 06:56 |
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| E-P | timoph: not at the moment, I can run them in the evening again (if I have time) | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so, it's special instructions to 'ld' on where to place things in memory, libraries to link | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | etc | 06:57 |
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| timoph | E-P: I'll try to run them | 06:57 |
| E-P | timoph: test-definition was fine, all tests passed | 06:57 |
| timoph | ack | 06:58 |
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| Kaadlajk | E-P: executor tests part of tr-lite-tests failed? | 07:00 |
| sampos | some of those are not very robust | 07:01 |
| Kaadlajk | those tests pretty much only pass reliably with harmattan device | 07:01 |
| sampos | yeah, depend on env | 07:01 |
| E-P | ok, nice to know | 07:01 |
| timoph | hmmh | 07:02 |
| timoph | do we want to include tests that *only* work with harmattan | 07:03 |
| Kaadlajk | most of them work everywhere | 07:03 |
| timoph | running the tests now | 07:04 |
| Kaadlajk | on your PC? :P | 07:04 |
| timoph | Mer SDK | 07:04 |
| timoph | chroot | 07:04 |
| E-P | timoph: we should have only tests that passes on every platform | 07:05 |
| timoph | E-P: yeah or at least make sense to run everywhere | 07:06 |
| E-P | testing the tr-lite itself, not the platform | 07:06 |
| timoph | yeah | 07:06 |
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| timoph | would be nice to have some simple xslt for the result files | 07:13 |
| timoph | or --html-results switch :) | 07:13 |
| sampos | that there is | 07:14 |
| timoph | wut | 07:14 |
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| sampos | no wait, it was text only | 07:15 |
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| slaine | Hello ? | 07:15 |
| slaine | Ah, that's better | 07:15 |
| slaine | damn irc client crashed | 07:15 |
| timoph | :) | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes we see you, slaine | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 07:16 |
| E-P | timoph: iirc, Vesa made some xslt thing for that | 07:16 |
| sampos | yeah, it's in the test-definition package | 07:16 |
| timoph | ok. so using that how do we make it easy and straight forward for the user to see nicely formatted results? | 07:17 |
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| timoph | imo xml is not intended for human eyes | 07:18 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: in other bizarre events, glibc local build with -j4 does not crash for me. | 07:18 |
| sampos | well if that is enabled in the result.xml then user could look at results with a browser | 07:18 |
| Sage | lbt: cobs scheduler having problems? | 07:19 |
| timoph | so it just needs to know where the xslt is | 07:19 |
| sampos | yes | 07:19 |
| Sage | lbt: lot of free workers but for some reason my jobs are not getting scheduled. | 07:19 |
| timoph | sampos: want to do a quick patch? :p | 07:20 |
| Sage | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7l | 07:21 |
| sampos | timoph: i'm trying to remember the reason this was not done in the first place :) | 07:21 |
| timoph | sampos: beats me. does it do something strange if the xslt is not available? | 07:22 |
| timoph | I'd guess not | 07:22 |
| sampos | dunno if it would have messed qa-reports or smthing | 07:23 |
| E-P | timoph: were you able to reproduce my findings? | 07:25 |
| timoph | E-P: still running | 07:25 |
| E-P | nod | 07:25 |
| l3i | Hi everyone.. and sampos, nice to see you here as well :) | 07:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: i officially hate this nss problem now | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | i can't make it break in local build | 07:31 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: drop the nss dep and lets move on :) | 07:31 |
| Sage | it was planned anyway | 07:31 |
| Sage | right? | 07:31 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah. | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | . | 07:33 |
| sampos | l3i: o/ :) | 07:33 |
| * Stskeeps tests removing dependency.. | 07:36 | |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: just one thing .. this might break upgrades if we're unlucky | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i'm a little unsure how changing cryptography algorithms will affect things like, well, /etc/shadow ;) | 07:41 |
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| lbt | morning all | 07:43 |
| niqt | lbt morning | 07:43 |
| lbt | Sage: will look | 07:44 |
| slaine | morning lbt | 07:46 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: hmmp... | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: actually, let's hold on 0.1 release notes | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: and do a 0.2 | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: sage says it didn't play nice in mer-next | 07:49 |
| lbt | ok... | 07:49 |
| lbt | just writing blurb | 07:49 |
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| Sage | 0.1 isn't really working at all all things are unresolvable atm. | 07:51 |
| slaine | lbt, did you want me to try an OBS setup again today ? | 07:51 |
| lbt | slaine: yes please | 07:51 |
| slaine | is everything up ? | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: please do a patch that reverts to the old /lib/ stuff, i can't also fix rpm today | 07:52 |
| lbt | should be.... I have a script for you | 07:52 |
| slaine | oh, cool | 07:52 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: when ever the scheduler starts working as atm. I can't get anything compiled | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok | 07:52 |
| lbt | slaine: http://pastie.org/3796799 | 07:52 |
| lbt | slaine: it's based on cut'n'paste docs with some configs: http://pastie.org/3796806 | 07:54 |
| slaine | nod | 07:55 |
| slaine | lbt, cool, I'll try and get down to the server room this morning and kick off a reinstall of both. | 07:56 |
| lbt | it needs a bit of documentation - eg mysql root pw is random and put in /etc/mysql_root.pw | 07:57 |
| lbt | I then do automated setup of MDS and kick of a trial build | 07:57 |
| lbt | which sadly fails to run the arm build | 07:57 |
| lbt | :/ | 07:57 |
| slaine | Yeah, I'm having arm troubles too | 07:58 |
| slaine | it's building, but incredibly slowly and only 1 process at a time | 07:58 |
| lbt | you also saw a bug where the scheduler doesn't start? | 07:58 |
| slaine | i.e. out of my workers, only 1 of the 8 is doing something. | 07:58 |
| lbt | I think I hit it too | 07:58 |
| slaine | I added a work around to solve that | 07:58 |
| lbt | *nod* | 07:59 |
| slaine | but not familiar with the scheduler's queueing methods yet to do a proper fix | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: can you try to add Prefer: nss-softokn-freebl nss in a project somewhere and see if that makes it go awy? | 07:59 |
| lbt | iekku: are you running mer bug triage today? | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | she is, see backlog | 08:01 |
| lbt | atin now + | 08:01 |
| lbt | at now +3h ? | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | 12 UTC | 08:01 |
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| iekku | didn't have my morning coffee and didn't read the received mails... sent a update | 08:02 |
| lbt | OK - I thought we used UCT with summertime adjust | 08:03 |
| lbt | yeah - got the backlog ... :D | 08:03 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: yes solves the thing | 08:04 |
| slaine | Hmm, I take that back, it seems to have reached a critical mass of bootstrapping (took since friday though) and is now build many projects | 08:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: wtf.. | 08:05 |
| lbt | slaine: ah, good - yes, there is a 'single threaded' part where one package blocks | 08:05 |
| slaine | lbt, yeah, I thought something was up 'cause it was still on 1 thread mode, looks like gcc/glibc took most of the weekend to build, which I'm surprised at. | 08:06 |
| lbt | are you on tmpfs? | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: what sha does your Core-next have on COBS? | 08:06 |
| slaine | lbt, no | 08:06 |
| lbt | this 'broken' 0.1 | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: prjconf doesn't correspond to what i think it should be | 08:06 |
| lbt | slaine: that's probably a very very useful approach | 08:06 |
| slaine | yeah | 08:06 |
| slaine | 16GB RAM, wasn't sure I'd have enough | 08:07 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=Project%3AMTF%3AUX o_0 | 08:07 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: let me check log | 08:07 |
| lbt | (cd obs-projects/Core-next; git pull) -> error: RPC failed; result=22, HTTP code = 503 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: urgh | 08:08 |
| * Stskeeps kicks gerrit | 08:08 | |
| lbt | rerun make updatestorm | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | wait | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | and no | 08:08 |
| lbt | ok | 08:09 |
| lbt | the git pull worked now | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i restarted gerrit | 08:09 |
| lbt | fwiw I ran the pull before pasting .... | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | verify that git log has commit a16297e3a6cb320c3b54c8f2b452a2cbc48add53 | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | Author: Carsten Munk <carsten@maemo.org> | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | Date: Fri Apr 6 20:54:05 2012 +0200 | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | Prefer nss and nss-softokn-freebl to fix nspr/nss messup | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | in it | 08:10 |
| lbt | it doesn't | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 08:11 |
| lbt | a9906ce2d4aa089811513b71fa11557156632a0fPrefer Qt4 | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes, thats ok | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's a little further down | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to run updatesstorm now | 08:12 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: well prefer works sort of but it seems to cause lot of failed builds | 08:12 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=Project%3AMTF%3AUX <- check next armv7l armv7hl | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: yes.. remove it again | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | this is really turning into a monday | 08:13 |
| Sage | well IMO it was that for sure couple of hours ago already when I woke up :) | 08:15 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes, it's there - I thought you were checking HEAD | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: nah, just had to be sure it's there | 08:18 |
| lbt | well if HEAD matches the history is crypto guaranteed :) | 08:19 |
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| Stskeeps | woo, qtbase passed i586 DBC | 08:20 |
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| Stskeeps | sampos: so there's a xslt so you can view results 'offline' (ie, without qa reports)? | 08:21 |
| sampos | Stskeeps: yes, the same was/is used in qa reports | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok, interesting | 08:22 |
| sampos | and is used in the testrunner also iirc | 08:22 |
| timoph | should the xslt be installed with test-definition? (wondering if I have an old version) | 08:39 |
| sampos | timoph it should, and it's been there for a while | 08:42 |
| timoph | it has | 08:43 |
| timoph | it's /usr/share/test-definition/testdefinition-syntax.xsl | 08:43 |
| timoph | just tried it and seems to work | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | can i see an example output of results/testdefinition in html? | 08:43 |
| timoph | a sec | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 08:43 |
| sampos | timoph there is also testdefintion-results.xsl and it's installed in the debian packaging | 08:46 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: http://timoph.fi/res-xslt.png | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 08:47 |
| timoph | just needed to add <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="testdefinition-syntax.xsl"?> to the results | 08:48 |
| timoph | although I cheated and copied the xsl to the same directory as the results file | 08:48 |
| timoph | (since there's no browser in the sdk) | 08:49 |
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| * sampos -> to see a dr | 08:49 | |
| timoph | have "fun" | 08:50 |
| E-P | timoph: iirc, the tr-lite features tests failed for me | 08:54 |
| timoph | that transformed xml doesn't actually show the results :) | 08:56 |
| E-P | yes I know, just came to my mind when I saw the test-definition | 08:56 |
| timoph | yeah. those fail for me too | 08:57 |
| E-P | "nice" to hear | 08:58 |
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| Stskeeps | consistent failure is better than random failure | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:58 |
| timoph | yep. usually easier to fix | 08:58 |
| E-P | definitely :) | 08:58 |
| timoph | did you try running the test on some other target? desktop, etc. | 09:00 |
| E-P | no, only in the sdk | 09:01 |
| E-P | I have to setup the virtual environment of nemo and try there | 09:02 |
| timoph | I have nemo installed in my exopc but that's home | 09:02 |
| timoph | anyway, I can try it there when I get home | 09:02 |
| E-P | I think those failures are not blocker issues anyway, like Kaadlajk said might be environment depended | 09:03 |
| timoph | yep | 09:03 |
| timoph | will be nice to get rid of those anyway | 09:03 |
| E-P | yep, could you file a bug about that? | 09:04 |
| timoph | so we don't need say things like "don't mind those failing tests" | 09:04 |
| * timoph files | 09:04 | |
| E-P | thanks, our first bug.. snif, it is so beautiful and small | 09:05 |
| timoph | :) | 09:05 |
| E-P | (and hopefully doesn't grow up) | 09:05 |
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| timoph | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311 | 09:14 |
| timoph | E-P: ^ | 09:14 |
| E-P | timoph: thanks a lot | 09:15 |
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| slaine | lbt, heading down for OS reinstall on OBS and OBS Worker | 09:22 |
| lbt | OK - I'm still wondering WTF is up with the scheduler | 09:23 |
| slaine | a lot ;) | 09:23 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: it looks like we need x86_64 workers to build armv8el | 10:10 |
| lbt | due to cross? | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | uhh.. | 10:10 |
| lbt | not the response I'd hoped for :) | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | you don't have x86_64 workers? :) | 10:11 |
| lbt | as it happens my VMs defaulted to 686 | 10:11 |
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| lbt | there's no reason we should need x86_64 is there? | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | i have to remember what adrianS told me | 10:12 |
| lbt | I have no prob just saying "yep, prereq" | 10:12 |
| lbt | I'm in a position where I can now start (and reliably-ish restart if they crash) OBS deployments all the way to osc scripts (like copypac to build acl) - now I'm thinking I want a BOSS connection to track build events too (but that can wait) | 10:15 |
| slaine | right I'm, after a small fire drill diversion | 10:16 |
| lbt | +back ? | 10:16 |
| slaine | erm, yeah | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: there is something about that we can do hostarch: i586 and x86_64 workers will use those | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | er, take those jobs too | 10:18 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: still something broken in -next? | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i'm waiting a bit to conclude | 10:19 |
| lbt | Sage: what was your problem btw? | 10:19 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK | 10:19 |
| Sage | /.build/build: line 1779: test: '': integer expression expected | 10:19 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=tofrodos&project=home%3Asage%3Agn&repository=Mer-next_Core_armv7l | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that looks awkward | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind we have an upgraded sb2 | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | it shouldn't happen for -everything- though | 10:20 |
| Sage | well, it doesn't happen for everything but most of my stuff :/ | 10:20 |
| Sage | or well it might be almost everything actually still waiting to see if something succeeds :) | 10:20 |
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| Sage | what is the changelog for the current -next? can someone pastie it for me? | 10:21 |
| lbt | Sage: I think http://pastie.org/3796769 | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3796769 | 10:22 |
| Sage | kt thx | 10:25 |
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| slaine | vgrade: Is the screen on the C71 any use ? | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: did you patch COBS 'build'? | 10:36 |
| lbt | since when? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | let's say long ago | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | shell quoting stuff | 10:36 |
| lbt | I'd have to check - I think it's still patched rather than updated from our package | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | i need to see enter_target in common_functions | 10:38 |
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| slaine | lbt, ok, both servers up with minimal os and sshd enabled | 10:40 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3797419 | 10:40 |
| lbt | slaine: are you running x86_64 workers? | 10:41 |
| slaine | yup | 10:41 |
| lbt | good | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: can you tar up the /usr/lib/build from the backend and send to me somewhere? | 10:41 |
| lbt | worth installing the latest version ? | 10:42 |
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| Stskeeps | i want to see what's amatter first :) | 10:42 |
| lbt | shell.in.meego.com ? | 10:43 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 10:43 |
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| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: do you have any contacts with the webinos people btw? | 10:44 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: it's in your home | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ta | 10:45 |
| jukkaeklund | stskeeps: nope, not yet.. | 10:45 |
| slaine | lbt, don't think that was the right pastie | 10:45 |
| slaine | you want me to use the script you linked earlier ? | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: ok, let me know if you do | 10:45 |
| lbt | slaine: wasn't for you :) | 10:45 |
| lbt | yes | 10:45 |
| slaine | thought so :) | 10:45 |
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| slaine | grand, I'll do that now | 10:46 |
| lbt | let me confirm the config | 10:46 |
| jukkaeklund | stskeeps, sure I'd like to get hold of somebody | 10:46 |
| slaine | I'll provide patches as suits me | 10:46 |
| slaine | i.e. I might a combined option to install fe/be/signer | 10:46 |
| lbt | the script takes 'role' as an arg | 10:47 |
| lbt | so run it twice should be fine | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: i'm a tiny bit worried about it being a EU framework programme, those has a tendancy of doing a lot of paperwork without much benefit after they're over :P | 10:47 |
| lbt | if it fails, patches welcome | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: but good ideas so far | 10:47 |
| lbt | slaine: also that pastie is messed up due to | 10:47 |
| lbt | the ## lines | 10:47 |
| jukkaeklund | yep, but.. | 10:47 |
| jukkaeklund | like you said | 10:47 |
| slaine | lbt, I hit the download link and it looks ok | 10:47 |
| lbt | OK then | 10:48 |
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| sampos | timoph: still returning to XSL.. try adding testdefinition-results.xls instead of the testdefinition-syntax.xls | 10:54 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: anything I could do to help to track down the -next issue? | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i'm reviewing a diff atm | 10:55 |
| vgrade | slaine, its awful. Its a bit better if you turn the tablet through 180deg | 10:57 |
| slaine | Hmmm, had a feeling it was shite | 10:57 |
| slaine | Was thinking of picking one up as a hack device | 10:57 |
| slaine | but would still like to use it as an android tablet for the Kindle app | 10:58 |
| vgrade | slaine, you get what you pay for I guess | 10:58 |
| slaine | nod | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://pastie.org/3797497 | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | ignore the echo "== " stuff | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | +++ is my build copy | 11:02 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: that's for sure the cause of the problem | 11:06 |
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| Stskeeps | TOPDIR=`enter_target needuser "rpm --eval '%_topdir'"` is what it tries to shell quote | 11:07 |
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| lbt | looking at git | 11:08 |
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| lbt | it matches git | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | your copy? | 11:10 |
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| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/obs-build/blob/lbt_master/build | 11:10 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't have Quote arguments to enter_target , | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | Use "$@" for su command instead of shellquote. Expand comments | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | 85f3fa3d1a Browse code | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | lbt authored 2 months ago | 11:11 |
| lbt | is that the main delta? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | Quote arguments is what causes the problems | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | it semi worked before because of a bug in sb2 | 11:13 |
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| Stskeeps | that bug is fixed in sb2 now | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | can we make COBS 'build' fairly clue to the merproject git? | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | close | 11:16 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/obs-build/commits/lbt_master/ | 11:16 |
| lbt | Use "$@" for su command instead of shellquote. Expand comments | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | right, all i'm saying is that it behaves significantly different than mer CI and Merproject/build :P | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | do you remember why we added that? | 11:17 |
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| lbt | because it fubar on non-Mer stuff otherwise | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 11:18 |
| * Stskeeps ponders | 11:18 | |
| Stskeeps | Quote arguments to enter_target is not good, for sure | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | the "$@" for su command .. less harmful | 11:18 |
| lbt | I'm not so sure | 11:19 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 11:19 | |
| lbt | normal use is to pass a command line string and allow the final recipient to parse | 11:19 |
| lbt | if there is a trick it is usually to ensure no intermediate parsing | 11:20 |
| lbt | so passing them as discrete args seems odd | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | do you happen to have testcases of the non-Mer foobaring? | 11:20 |
| lbt | no | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | or even remembering in which cases it showed up | 11:20 |
| lbt | iirc it was hack until it worked | 11:21 |
| lbt | sadly, no | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | i think it was harmattan that screwed up, wasn't it? | 11:21 |
| * Stskeeps looks in logs | 11:22 | |
| lbt | just looking at build queue | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so, end result should be that COBS, mer ci, uses the same 'build' | 11:25 |
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| Stskeeps | how we get there.. well, let's see | 11:25 |
| lbt | yep - that's why I'm doing the local test setup | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | do you have a remote obs link to COBS in that? | 11:26 |
| lbt | we need to test our branches to obs with reasonable coverage | 11:26 |
| lbt | no | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | it could be good in order to test harmattan and other builds | 11:26 |
| lbt | I may find a machine on meego.com to deploy this stuff | 11:26 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: so ... I'd say we wait until the builds are done and then try changing it | 11:32 |
| lbt | lbt_master is the most current build | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:32 |
| lbt | the idea is that I'm testing there and then pushing to :Devel for OBS | 11:33 |
| lbt | when I get a good result I'll push to merproject git master | 11:33 |
| lbt | and there-> :Testing | 11:33 |
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| lbt | maybe I should be using lbt_master on MerProject version of build/obs ... better visibility ? | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo lardman, how is it going? | 11:35 |
| lardman | hey Stskeeps, not bad, very busy at work and not getting much sleep | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | so the usual :) | 11:36 |
| lardman | but was thinking of resurrecting my Tab work | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | that was omap4 right? | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | or samsung | 11:36 |
| lardman | yeah, am hopeful that our daughter will start sleeping a bit more soon | 11:36 |
| lardman | Samsung | 11:36 |
| lardman | Have pulled the PVR driver source to pieces and compared the Exynos stuff to the Pandaboard, and looks like it might be doable | 11:37 |
| lardman | ... he says ;) | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah, ok | 11:37 |
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| lardman | Though I'm concerned that I go to the effort of writing a driver that will work, and then find that the Panda userspace stuff wants a different and specific version of the PVR hw | 11:37 |
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| lardman | The alternative is to buy a cheapish device which has working drivers, but am not keen on the Vivaldi-style level of device (though who am I kidding, getting GPS, etc., working on the Tab is going to be more work! :) ) | 11:40 |
| lardman | I now fully realise why people pay for things they could potentially do themselves - lack of time | 11:41 |
| * lardman goes back to writing a PCI card driver | 11:41 | |
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| Stskeeps | the archos g9 seems like a perfect mer target atm | 11:42 |
| lardman | does it have an e-compass? The original Archos devices didn't iirc | 11:42 |
| lardman | and I'd like to do some augmented reality work, or just finish off an app I've half written | 11:43 |
| lardman | ah cool it does | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | REMINDER: Mer bug triage in 17 minutes in #mer-meeting | 11:43 |
| lardman | http://www.archos.com/products/gen9/archos_80g9/specs.html?country=us&lang=en | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: we're a bit shooting in the dark until we figure out what it is that breaks Merproject/obs-build | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can we perhaps set up some of the usual suspects? | 11:45 |
| lardman | thanks Stskeeps | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: around 02-21-2012 was the shell quoting problem | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | if you have logs | 11:47 |
| lbt | yep - I'll check the logs | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | this problem moves to high priority fwiw, as it blocks -next release | 11:51 |
| lbt | grabbing a bite before triage | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, makes sense | 11:51 |
| lbt | yes, I'm only looking at it now | 11:51 |
| Sage | lbt: it is not possible to use wget in .spec file on cobs? | 11:59 |
| Sage | wget: unable to resolve host address `repo.pub.meego.com' | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | the workers are shut off from the interweb | 11:59 |
| iekku | mer bug-triage starting soon @ #mer-meeting | 11:59 |
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| sledges | hello hello! | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | wello sledges | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | how was your holiday? | 12:42 |
| sledges | very sporty :) don't think there's any fat left in my body, which is the frustrating bit :D | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:42 |
| sledges | how were you here? | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | progress, progress | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | QA effort slowly but firmly starting up | 12:43 |
| sledges | good to hear, I am on that note with the questions: | 12:44 |
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| sledges | can we build MeeGo IVI bit on the top of Mer ? | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | it seems like someone already has put tizen ivi on top | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | so i would suspect that with a bit of grease, you could put meego ivi | 12:45 |
| sledges | but Tizen IVI is not Genivi certfied, so not a way for us.. | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | that's true | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | i don't exactly know what GENIVI certification exactly implies. | 12:46 |
| sledges | well, a set of UI reqs I guess | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | i'd be surprised if it was, but again, i don't know :) | 12:48 |
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| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind someone doing a case study about Mer in IVI | 12:48 |
| sledges | so: * take src.rpms from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/repos/oss/source/ * filter out duplicates with Mer (i.e. get only those packages which make MeeGo an IVI) * build them against Mer * try to run | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | basically, yeah | 12:50 |
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| sledges | could use this .ks as reference to arrive to MeeGo IVI on Mer+armv7(h?)l_for_BeagleBoard: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/images/meego-ivi-ia32/meego-ivi-ia32-1.2.0.ks | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | though you need to expand package groups | 13:02 |
| sledges | due to @X for IVI et al. would start triggering conflicts? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah probably, frankly, start compiling the packages first | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | on top of mer | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | and go fromt here | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | i would really advise you to figure out what constitutes GENIVI compliance though | 13:05 |
| sledges | and last problem: MeeGo IVI built repo is only for ia64 and armv7hl, beagleboard (we use) looks like armv7l only, but I hope good de-coupling could put IVI on top of Mer here .... | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | just use sources | 13:06 |
| sledges | ok | 13:06 |
| sledges | but where are the .spec files?.. | 13:06 |
| sledges | (or .yaml) | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | in the sources/ | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | in srpm | 13:06 |
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| * sledges looking.. | 13:06 | |
| sledges | ah | 13:07 |
| sledges | inside src.rpm ? | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | rpm2cpio *.src.rpm | cpio -idv | 13:07 |
| * sledges used the command above oh so many times on a non-root user RedHat (blush) | 13:07 | |
| sledges | :) | 13:07 |
| sledges | Mer SDK is the way to compile all them I guess (as opposed to Platform SDK) | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | compile it in obs | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | easier on the heart | 13:09 |
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| sledges | true | 13:12 |
| sledges | just loads of GUI clicking (for every package) | 13:12 |
| sledges | just found out: MeeGo IVI has been GENIVI certified only for Intel architecture :( | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:13 |
| sledges | anyway | 13:20 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, how to put loads of srpms on OBS in a batch? | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | osc importsrcpkg | 13:21 |
| sledges | sorry, got tangled up in my typings above: on Mer's Platform SDK ? | 13:21 |
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| Stskeeps | against a obs, but yes, you can do it inside sdk | 13:22 |
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| iekku | i have been missing the bug-triages | 13:27 |
| iekku | so happy that i have time to participate now | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 13:27 |
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| alh | #hiddenrealms | 13:44 |
| alh | Hi. | 13:44 |
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| Stskeeps | moo alh | 13:44 |
| alh | Woof | 13:45 |
| slaine | lbt, about to run those scripts, any updates since this morning or will I crack on | 13:45 |
| alh | Heya Stskeeps :) | 13:45 |
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| slaine | lbt, be part seemed to work | 14:10 |
| slaine | fe part is failing on the DB creation stuff | 14:10 |
| slaine | http://pastebin.com/y4z4xjXM | 14:13 |
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| sledges | how to expand package groups? | 14:27 |
| * sledges trying to deal with xdg-utils depending on libactioncontent error whilst adapting MeeGo IVI to Mer's beagleboard .ks | 14:28 | |
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| Stskeeps | mer providers xdg-utils | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | dont try and replace it | 14:43 |
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| MouseTheLuckyDog | Does Mer handle digitizers well? | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | define digitizers :) | 15:24 |
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| MouseTheLuckyDog | Like on the Thinkpad tablet, Galaxy Note 10.1 ( when it cones out), or the Asus Slate, Samsung Slate a digitizng pen that works on a tablet similar to the way a graphics tablet does. | 15:27 |
| MouseTheLuckyDog | I was thinking of trying to replace Android with Mer + KDE PA, when I get it. | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | so, what you're looking for is if your kernel can handle it and export it properly to userland | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | we have x-windows so it can handle a fair bit | 15:35 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, but the MeeGo repos provide their own, (mer repo is on the top in the .ks). how is this dep matching carried out? | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: ah, don't do that, that's stupid | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: start importing source packages starting from top level ui packages | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | dlt-daemon | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | those kind of things | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | and start filling dependencies | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | you're mixing two cores :) | 15:38 |
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| sledges | is there a list of top-level ui packages? | 15:38 |
| sledges | and then when one of the MeeGo IVI's ui packages will depend on xdg-utils, I will bump at the same problem (the top of the .ks file reads repo mer-core ... and repo meego ...) | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/package-groups/blobs/1.2.0/patterns/meego-ivi-desktop.xml | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes, don't even include the meego repos | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | make your own UI repo | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | mer's xdg-utils doesn't dep on libcontentaction | 15:42 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: any new insights on quoting? | 15:46 |
| lbt | no - still working on my local setup until the cobs is quiet | 15:51 |
| lbt | not long now | 15:51 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | if anything, we can test x86 | 15:51 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, correct me if I'm wrong: to merge two cores properly means: taking one core as a reference (a stable, supported), and `osc srcimport`ing and compiling the top level packages from the other core ? | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: combining two cores is what i think you -shouldn't- do :) | 15:52 |
| sledges | ok, then I used the wrong term for the current aim :) | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: what you should do, is to take one core (mer), and osc importsrcpkg packages you need until they build on top of mer | 15:53 |
| sledges | yes | 15:53 |
| sledges | ok | 15:53 |
| sledges | does MeeGo OBS have cmdline interface or srcimport function? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | just grab the src rpms from repo.meego.com | 15:54 |
| sledges | s/srcimport/importsrcpkg/ | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | i will be frank though, genivi requirements may require you have even the meego base system | 15:54 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, that has been relaxed | 15:54 |
| sledges | by our PM | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | you can do IVI ux on top of mer, sure, but you need to check the exact ones :P | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:54 |
| sledges | and | 15:55 |
| sledges | however | 15:55 |
| sledges | we are going blind here: MeeGo 1.2 IVI on Intel Congatec was crashing. That's why we went to do it on BeagleBoard | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:55 |
| sledges | but there is no MeeGoIVI 1.2 for beagleboard | 15:55 |
| sledges | only 1.1 by harbaum_ | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | and that one was even unofficial build done by me | 15:56 |
| sledges | so we want to have Meego IVI 1.2 for beagleBoard, but to avoid potential crashes we would like to do it on top of Mer | 15:56 |
| sledges | sounds crazy (i.e. overengineered) enough? :) | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | and it -has- to be meego ivi 1.2 ui? | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:57 |
| sledges | that's it | 15:57 |
| sledges | :) | 15:57 |
| sledges | it has to be 1.2 ... | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 15:58 |
| sledges | k | 15:58 |
| * Stskeeps notes whoever is running MeeGo:1.2 on build.meego.com is a moron | 15:58 | |
| Stskeeps | arm totally unresolvable | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: do you have a .packages file from a meego 1.2 ivi image? | 15:59 |
| sledges | ok, here we are | 15:59 |
| sledges | (referring to the arm part) | 15:59 |
| sledges | I can obtain that easily | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | pleae do | 16:00 |
| vgrade | did 1.2 ui ever run on arm? | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: it's tablet based | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not entirely sure why people are so obsessed with meego 1.2 ivi, it's not really that impressive :P | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | but i guess it's better than other systems in the field | 16:01 |
| vgrade | this one? http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_IVI_on_ExoPC | 16:01 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, in our case it's something that already existed as a demo, so we continued on and put effort around so became more inertive | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: are you on your own or do you have people that can assist? | 16:02 |
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| sledges | it is an in-company project. | 16:03 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i meant more, are you going to work alone or as a team :) | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | okay, anyway | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | start with meego-ux-ivi and start resolving dependencies | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | and meego-ux-compositor | 16:04 |
| sledges | could you tell an estimate, in man days? | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | i was thinking to give you one in amount of $$ paid for therapy | 16:05 |
| vgrade | :) | 16:05 |
| sledges | i think you've just answered ;) | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: it's not so much about man days, it's more along lines of how quickly the people involved can learn to deal with packaging and OBS | 16:05 |
| sledges | yes, I was thinking the same | 16:05 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: whilst waiting ... hacking /data/release-tools/obs-projects/Core/armv7hl/_config to have Hostarch: i686 allows my local worker to build acl for armv7hl | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yes | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can you test this on COBS too somehow? | 16:06 |
| lbt | locally I reinstalled the OBS from scratch... | 16:06 |
| lbt | :D | 16:06 |
| sledges | I've build imx-xorg-driver and evtest on MeeGo OBS, how much time do you think it would take me? | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: give me ~10 minutes to get a proper assesment | 16:06 |
| lbt | depends how dynamic MDS is | 16:07 |
| sledges | thank you | 16:07 |
| lbt | it's low importance right now - fixing quoting is more important | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: you also owe me a beer | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: i must also say in advance, that the theme that meego IVI comes with has a license of 'linux foundation permission needed' which means only usable in connection with a meego compliant product | 16:08 |
| sledges | a share from the project :) if it rolls out | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | and there are no open replacements | 16:09 |
| sledges | but it's going to be just a demo, so we can get away with that | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, ok | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | frankly you can make something much cooler with lipstick and co | 16:10 |
| sledges | but since you mention arm being unresolvable | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:10 |
| sledges | and $$ for therapy | 16:10 |
| sledges | that's the problem: we are constrained to go 1.2 IVI way on a non-congatec platform, BeagleBoard being the choice | 16:10 |
| sledges | if it is going to introduce just more problems, we might ditch the effort putting that constraint on altogether | 16:11 |
| sledges | and clean the blackboard | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | someone needs to restrain your sales people | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:11 |
| lbt | sledges: I just hooked Attie up with a cobs account | 16:11 |
| sledges | lbt, thanks, he's just shouted that out from over his desk :) | 16:12 |
| lbt | *g* | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: morbid question, how far are you guys from Reading, UK? | 16:12 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, those were engineering and wrong-timing decisions in the past, putting limitations for future decisions | 16:12 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, not too far :) | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 16:12 |
| sledges | are you IP-caching? :D | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | no, i just know a professional in OBS and such nearby there ;) | 16:13 |
| lbt | *cough* | 16:13 |
| sledges | o/ | 16:13 |
| lbt | s/professional/unemployed professional/ | 16:13 |
| sledges | :( cuts ? | 16:13 |
| lbt | since last october ... yeah | 16:14 |
| sledges | how do you last? if I may ask :) | 16:14 |
| lbt | sainsburys economy chicken | 16:14 |
| sledges | 8{ | 16:14 |
| lbt | and faith in Mer ... | 16:14 |
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| sledges | need a job? ;) | 16:15 |
| lbt | yep | 16:15 |
| sledges | I'll ask around :) | 16:15 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps, back to index: <sledges> if it is going to introduce just more problems..... | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: if you promise me this won't ever ever go into production.. | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:16 |
| lbt | sledges: the intention is that we'll get part time work for Mer-related things and vendors using Mer will support key developers for X hrs/week | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | and/or | 16:16 |
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| sledges | o/ | 16:16 |
| Attie | \o | 16:16 |
| lbt | o/ | 16:16 |
| Attie | \o/ | 16:17 |
| lbt | *g* | 16:17 |
| trip0 | who's the debian packaging mastermind here? | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | this is not a synchronised swimming contest | 16:17 |
| * trip0 is having trouble with his harmattan build | 16:17 | |
| lbt | ah... | 16:17 |
| sledges | |o| , as in lol | 16:17 |
| trip0 | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=nobdy&project=home%3Atripzero | 16:17 |
| sledges | is just a proof of concept, Stskeeps | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: famous last words ;) | 16:18 |
| lbt | trip0: sadly I have some cobs issues I need to resolve ... | 16:18 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, basically, if you think it is doable, then I'd be really thankful for your estimates. Otherwise we just go and persuade PM to steer away from MeeGo IVI (and use e.g. Ubuntu IVI Remix for this famous POC ;)) | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: well, i have the homescreen building | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | .. which is a start | 16:21 |
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| Stskeeps | sledges: just FYI, tizen IVI has a qt homescreen too | 16:23 |
| sledges | ic, will keep that in mind, but not for this project :) | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | i'm doing this in home:stskeeps:ivi on cobs if you want to watch, fwiw | 16:26 |
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| sledges | that's i586 | 16:27 |
| sledges | meego-ux-ivi | meego-ux-ivi-theme | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes, always compile against the fastest arch when packaging | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | in 99% of cases they build fine for arm too | 16:29 |
| sledges | ok | 16:29 |
| sledges | so they look succeeded | 16:29 |
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| sledges | is there any MeeGo API breakage risk in Mer )? | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say yes | 16:29 |
| sledges | how many packages will be there to compile? | 16:30 |
| sledges | aprox | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | if i'm lucky, about 30-40 | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | let's see | 16:30 |
| sledges | loads of monkey job :) | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes my asperger's syndrome does come in handy.. | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | oh @$ me | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | something that actually requires fortran :) | 16:33 |
| * Stskeeps silently drops dependency | 16:33 | |
| lbt | we are talking IVI here... | 16:33 |
| trip0 | lbt, issues that are causing my problem? or a separate issue that prevents you from diagnosing me? | 16:37 |
| lbt | separate issue | 16:38 |
| trip0 | ahk | 16:38 |
| trip0 | sledges, what are you guys up to? | 16:38 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, you are testing the waters to give an estimate by building -only a couple of- packages, right? Otherwise I might have misunderstood asperger's syndrom? | 16:39 |
| sledges | trip0, we need MeeGo IVI 1.2 on arm, built | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: hehe, i could probably have kept going, but i'm summarizing atm | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: okay, so - generally, you have to re-build the meego tablet UX base on top of Mer repositories -- two problems: text-to-speech (pocketsphinix) requires fortran which we don't carry in mer, 2) the MeeGo UX components do not have clear dependency declarations | 16:40 |
| trip0 | aahk | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: how about a shortcut? :P | 16:41 |
| * sledges is thinking how to automate osc ~40.srpm packages. /me is always scared the hell out when thinking of doing something with osc command line rather than an equivalent through https://build.pub.meego | 16:41 | |
| lbt | sledges: osc is fairly easy to script | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | oh feck, you can't use the shortcut | 16:41 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, how about a hair cut :) | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | meego is armv7hl | 16:42 |
| * Stskeeps grumbles | 16:42 | |
| sledges | Stskeeps, bump (a few hours ago) :D | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: i can copy from meego obs to other places, i still have some access to log in there :P | 16:42 |
| sledges | well, I had armv7hl running on imx fine | 16:42 |
| sledges | just no graphics accel | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. and that's needed for this | 16:42 |
| sledges | but can't we have a hybrid | 16:43 |
| * sledges tried to find another shortcut today | 16:43 | |
| sledges | everything what's in Mer - arm7l, meego's necessities - arm7hl | 16:43 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, watching your IVI, what made you add mcompositor | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: meego-ux-compositor is part of ivi afaik | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | if it's not, that's good :P | 16:48 |
| sledges | vgrade, it appears that default.desktop links to it when X are starting | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: anyway.. just so you also know, the meego IVI codeline is based on a set of ux components that are obsoleted/project halted | 16:49 |
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| lbt | and the support for meego is scheduled to be hard-terminated in early 2013 | 16:50 |
| lbt | (AIUI) | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: so, assesment: a week for 2 people working together, both having basic obs and rpm training and understanding how to build images and not afraid to ask questions | 16:50 |
| sledges | is dead :) even managed to get GENIVI to get everyone tangled around the grave | 16:50 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, a beer for you. Anytime meeting lbs in Reading? ;) | 16:51 |
| sledges | lbt | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | i've been meaning to come visit at some point :) | 16:51 |
| lbt | sure :) | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: you'll basically have to transplant the meego tablet ux basic components on top | 16:52 |
| sledges | (I always get typos swapping two letters, but those which are next to each other in an alphabet...) | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: my personal opinion you'll have a much better time prototyping something with lipstick, but management is management | 16:52 |
| sledges | yes, but we need ready-made IVI, that's the req of the project | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: :nod: | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | and if i was to choose, i'd present tizen IVI homescreen instead | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | 'a week' is worst case scenario, fwiw | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | you have ability to see all dependencies within the meego obs | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | so it gets easier to track down what you need | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | and knowledge that the tablet components -has been- working on arm before | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | and even if it fails, you would have learnt a lot | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:59 |
| sledges | :) | 17:01 |
| trip0 | Stskeeps, i agree (tizen homescreen) ;) | 17:03 |
| trip0 | way less deps | 17:03 |
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| vgrade | also on Mer already | 17:03 |
| trip0 | vgrade, rly? | 17:03 |
| trip0 | w00t | 17:03 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, what about repeating harbaum's (or yours) effort for 1.2: http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/beagleboard/meego.outdated/ivi-armv7l-beagle.ks | 17:04 |
| trip0 | vgrade, any news on the c71-1m kernel? | 17:04 |
| vgrade | trip0, some but not avaialble yet | 17:05 |
| trip0 | :( | 17:06 |
| trip0 | Stskeeps, do you know if wayland on mer works on TI SGX graphics? | 17:08 |
| Attie | i'm heading home for the day... thanks for your help guys :) | 17:09 |
| sledges | same here | 17:09 |
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| Stskeeps | trip0: sadly there's no proper wayland impl for omap3/4 just yet | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | trip0: robclark is working on it, but for omap4 | 17:13 |
| trip0 | :( | 17:14 |
| trip0 | need omap3! | 17:14 |
| trip0 | lol | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, new tizen ivi release out | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | how did i miss that | 17:15 |
| trip0 | w00t | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | trip0: are you coming to SFO btw? | 17:15 |
| trip0 | oops, sorry w00t, i keep on abusing your name | 17:15 |
| trip0 | no, I will not be SFO this year | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 17:16 |
| trip0 | as of now... although i did get approved to go | 17:16 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, just APL for the homescreen from ivi | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | nice | 17:16 |
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| E-P | timoph: failures in the features test are remote logging and hwinfo | 17:22 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, it has layermanager and dlt | 17:24 |
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| E-P | timoph: and the other failures are related to remote execution and ssh | 17:32 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: point | 17:36 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, see dibs in sdk? | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | huh? | 17:38 |
| vgrade | http://download.tizen.org/sdk/dibs/ | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | no, that's new | 17:41 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 17:41 | |
| vgrade | looks like a Qtcreator for e | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | .. why is madde there | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | but good | 17:45 |
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| vgrade | yea good to see all this being throw over the wall and the ivi getting an update already | 17:47 |
| vgrade | bugs open as well, just the OBS and some ARM now | 17:48 |
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| Sage | why doesn't wget repo.pub.meego.com work when doing build in cobs? | 18:06 |
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| Sage | lbt: wget: unable to resolve host address `repo.pub.meego.com' <- any ideas? | 18:08 |
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| lbt | there is no network available during the build | 18:08 |
| Sage | oh | 18:09 |
| lbt | it should be totally isolated | 18:09 |
| Sage | is there a wayt to get files from rpm easily to certain diretory during a build? | 18:09 |
| Sage | ie. I'm building busybox separately and want to take files from that to the build dir but can't really install it as it conflicts with other stuff in build env :/ | 18:10 |
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| Sage | or was there a way to get all busybox tools available without symbolic links by starting some cmd? | 18:11 |
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| lbt | hmm | 18:11 |
| lbt | feels like busybox should have a package of busybox binary only? | 18:11 |
| lbt | then you could depend on that and it would be /bin/busybox and you could make any symlinks into /home/abuild/bin/* | 18:12 |
| Sage | lbt: well I have that separately yes, but I need the cmds as well and don't want to do symlinks manually | 18:12 |
| Sage | so, I'm building a ramdisk where I do "find ../${RPM_TMP} | grep "\.rpm" | xargs printf "rpm2cpio %s | cpio -idu --quiet\n" | sh " for all busybox rpm's to install those to ramdisk rootfs | 18:13 |
| lbt | at build time? | 18:15 |
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| lbt | I assume kernel packaging? | 18:16 |
| Sage | lbt: in my script when did the ramdisk locally, but I guess I need to change that if I want to make it rpm | 18:16 |
| Sage | lbt: init ramdisk creation | 18:16 |
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| lbt | it kinda feels like a mic-time thing doesn't it? | 18:16 |
| lbt | I'm thinking that providing a mkinitrd script to run at mic-time may work | 18:17 |
| lbt | although you may have the same issue in getting the rpms in | 18:18 |
| Sage | well, I want to do this to rpm package so it is easy distribute and have separately available | 18:18 |
| lbt | OK | 18:18 |
| Sage | so I'll just copy the /usr/bin/busybox to abuild/rootfs/usr/bin/ and then do manually the 100 symlinks :P | 18:18 |
| lbt | just fyi I have put rpms in the tarball before | 18:19 |
| lbt | it's ugly | 18:19 |
| Sage | but I recall reading somewhere that there is somekind of busybox shell that provides all the cmds without links | 18:19 |
| Sage | lbt: well that is messy as then if wanted for different arch I would need separate rpm's for each | 18:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: my busybox package doesn't come with symlinks unless you want it | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | home:Admin:busybox on webui-ci | 18:20 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: he wants the rpm but not installed | 18:20 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: mine doesn't either | 18:20 |
| Sage | It is that I wouldn't want to do ln -s cmd 100 times to get all the functionalities | 18:21 |
| Sage | it is doable but there must be easier way to get all busybox cmds available | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | there's a command for expanding/installing the symlinks | 18:22 |
| Sage | there is? | 18:22 |
| Sage | build in to busybox? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | check my home:Admin:busybox | 18:22 |
| lbt | you could package busybox with a the post extracted to a script called setup-busybox and have a version that doesn't execute it in post | 18:23 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: but that is installation time thing | 18:23 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 18:24 | |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I forked out of your busybox IIRC so :) | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | applets/install.sh $RPM_BUILD_ROOT --symlinks | 18:24 |
| Sage | yes, so not buildin busybox. | 18:25 |
| Sage | #!/usr/bin/busybox or some other shebang thing should get all the cmds there IIRC | 18:25 |
| lbt | Sage: so that's what I meant : package bb to have a version that doesn't call applets/install.sh $RPM_BUILD_ROOT --symlinks in post | 18:26 |
| lbt | but leaves it in /usr/share/busybox/ | 18:26 |
| lbt | which presumably would be the otherwise 'bare' busybox | 18:27 |
| lbt | back l8r | 18:30 |
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| Sage | can't one use busybox as a shell. I don't need any other binaries that all that busybox provides? | 18:40 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: osc is unable to update local build env if there is depdency change btw. | 18:44 |
| Sage | I need to use --clean or --no-init each time I run osc build with sb2 it seems | 18:44 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's fixed in -next | 18:58 |
| Sage | k | 18:58 |
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| Sage | any updates on the -next failing compile thing? | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 19:57 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | _av500_, if I repartition the disk on my Archos tab and put the groovy plasma-active userland on it, how do I modify the bootloader to find the new partition? | 21:15 |
| Alison_Chaiken | The bootable (and only) partition on the HDD has no /boot directory, nor any other likely candidates. | 21:15 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Notheless, the syslog makes mention of a bootloader and kernel command-line parameters. | 21:15 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I guess boot params are part of statically linked initramfs? | 21:16 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, sledges, tizen ref ivi UX. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1ToY7zNUm8 , built for ARM as well, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=ux-ivi-xlib&project=home%3Avgrade%3Amivi | 22:22 |
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