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| Alison_Chaiken | Started playing with Archos tablet, with intent to put Plasma-Active and Angstrom on forthwith. | 04:25 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Currently at the "mulling over partitioning" stage. | 04:25 |
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| _av500_ | Alison_Chaiken: ping me in pm | 05:43 |
| Alison_Chaiken | _av500_, it is PM! Almost 11PM here. | 05:43 |
| _av500_ | :) | 05:44 |
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| dm8tbr | moaning | 06:18 |
| dm8tbr | http://bloggingthemonkey.blogspot.de/2012/04/fighting-back-against-binary-blobs.html Rob does some cool shizz, not only for TI :D | 06:19 |
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| Stskeeps | interesting | 07:22 |
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| _av500_ | now somebody from qualcomm needs to RE sgx... | 09:26 |
| _av500_ | but then, QC is using sgx too | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | they're not, afaik? | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | or has they moved away from adreno | 09:26 |
| _av500_ | no | 09:28 |
| _av500_ | but for the cpu that is bound for WARM, they needs sgx | 09:28 |
| _av500_ | as adreno cannot meet the DX10 demands (yet) | 09:28 |
| _av500_ | so they have one with sgx now too | 09:29 |
| jukkaeklund_ | saw this thread? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1587650 | 09:29 |
| jukkaeklund_ | so there are Lumias out there with unlocked bootloader | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, but their price just went a fair bit higher :) | 09:32 |
| jukkaeklund_ | sure | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: ah, that make sense | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | s | 09:34 |
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| jukkaeklund_ | but yeah, let's see if there comes a hack for the rest of us (with lumias) | 10:17 |
| lbt | morning all | 10:25 |
| CosmoHill | monring lbt | 10:30 |
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| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 10:48 |
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| smoku | hi Stskeeps | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | lo smoku, so what was your impression of mer sdk? | 11:06 |
| smoku | very nice | 11:16 |
| smoku | allowed me to start hacking almost immediately | 11:16 |
| smoku | just one issue with yum already reported on BMO | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | we have yum? :) | 11:17 |
| CosmoHill | wasn't yum meant to be removed from meego 1.1? | 11:17 |
| smoku | yes. and coming from fedora i immediately typed 'yum search something' and tripped over on 'no repos configured' ;-) | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | seperating out yum binary from the library parts we use might be an idea yeah | 11:22 |
| * Stskeeps fails on mer-general | 11:35 | |
| smoku | Stskeeps: BTW, it's usable as app SDK too. I'm using one installation for both | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: yeah, to some extent -- my definition of 'app sdk' is one that does not require linux necessarily to run | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | but for now, a working platform SDK is important | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | which happens to work well for apps too ;) | 11:38 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, third time's the charm | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: did you try the SB2 instructions too? | 11:39 |
| smoku | no as I don't know which instructions you mean | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 | 11:40 |
| smoku | I didn't have a need for cross-compilation yet. but thanks for the link | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:41 |
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| lbt | hehe | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think we're on to making a prerelease tonight, if you're up for it | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | pretty sound content | 11:49 |
| lbt | sure | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307 worries me btw | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | not sure how it could have happened | 11:54 |
| E-P | how should I add new packages to Mer:Tools? with submit request to Mer:Tools:Testing? | 11:57 |
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| lolcat | Do you have a working dialer? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | lolcat: Nemo has a dialer, mer itself doesn't | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: think so | 12:01 |
| lolcat | Could I run said dialer on a debian distrobution? | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | it requires a bit more hacking for that, i think | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | it's ofono based | 12:03 |
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| E-P | Stskeeps: was it ok, if we use the Mer wiki and bugzilla for QA tools development? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: yes, as i said, mer wiki functions as a incubation place and your work does benefit for the project :) | 12:09 |
| E-P | great, we will do our best to provide useful and working tools | 12:12 |
| lolcat | onfono? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | Mer contains the efforts that is the core, the activities supporting the core (QA, Release engineering) and the activities allowing people to utilize the Core better (BOSS, MINT). everyone else is a vendor that utilizes the core and the functions within Mer talks to those | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | that's how we delimit the project, basically | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | lolcat: ofono | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | .org | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: good idea regarding mer meetup at devaamo for qa etc, btw | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | +summit | 12:15 |
| lolcat | Also have anyone ran mer on a android phone/samsung phone? | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | lolcat: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace | 12:16 |
| lolcat | Asus transformer | 12:17 |
| lolcat | that isn't so far away from my note | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | just be aware hardware adaptation isn't a easy job | 12:18 |
| lolcat | Well, this is the easiest road to get maemo back | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | what are you hoping exactly to accomplish, out of morbid curiousity? | 12:21 |
| lolcat | Running the Maemo gui (probably have to remake it), and debian as a phone os. | 12:22 |
| lolcat | do you have a libisi? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | no, we use a open telephony stack | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | lolcat: well, do you know of Cordia? | 12:26 |
| lolcat | Yes, but weren't they struggeling with finding decent hardware? | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | different things as such, cordia project is also maemo UI | 12:30 |
| lolcat | It runs on atom | 12:33 |
| lolcat | I need it for ARM | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | it compiles for both | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | also, hint of warning: maemo ui stack is a mess to get working - hence something like cordia | 12:34 |
| lolcat | But it isn't debian based? | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | cordia's mer based, afaik | 12:35 |
| lolcat | debian is just so perfect for a phone | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's what people think.. | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | which isn't true | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:37 |
| lolcat | And the Maemo UI when I think about it, is really simple. It can't be hard to make | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | maemo's great, debian isn't | 12:37 |
| lolcat | Maemo is based on debian | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | yup, and they've cut and sliced it into something that's fairly far from being debian, to make it mobile | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | trust me, i've been there :) | 12:38 |
| lolcat | It still has aptitude and debian awesomeness | 12:38 |
| lolcat | I loved the N900 | 12:38 |
| lolcat | So slick and simple. Android is so complicated, I feel like sitting on a buss looking out the side of the window. When I use the N900 I'm driving. I understand it. | 12:39 |
| lolcat | And I guess soon someone will make a nice dalvik implementation for nemomobile | 12:40 |
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| vgrade | lbt, dust off that dragonboard, http://bloggingthemonkey.blogspot.de/2012/04/fighting-back-against-binary-blobs.html | 13:13 |
| lbt | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=qualcomm_freedreno&num=2 | 13:13 |
| lbt | https://gitorious.org/freedreno/ :) | 13:13 |
| vgrade | got to hand it to these guys, RE looks hard | 13:14 |
| lbt | I see it has 2D compositing | 13:14 |
| lbt | certainly makes it more interesting as a HA | 13:14 |
| vgrade | wonder if the gpu vendors will start to encrypt the kernel to userspace comms | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | you have to remember you can still sue people who use patents without license.. | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:16 |
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| Macer | lol | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: how old is our meegotouch-compositor? | 13:25 |
| Macer | vgrade: have any time to look into getting this transformer going with mer? | 13:35 |
| vgrade | Macer, remind me where we got up to, you were keeping a webpage? | 13:40 |
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| Macer | yes... | 14:20 |
| Macer | http://vetus.scientiam.org/2012/02/17/the-removal-of-ad-droid-from-an-asus-transformer-in-progress/ | 14:20 |
| Macer | i got up to pulling the partition table | 14:20 |
| Macer | and making a script and batch file to back the tf up | 14:20 |
| Macer | so i am assuming that i will need a kernel.. and a way to manage to get mer to boot on it :) | 14:21 |
| Macer | my bootloader is unlocked so.... but i doubt i will ever see the gps or cam work in mer/active... the tf101 is all older tegra based stuff tho | 14:22 |
| Macer | most of it should be in the stock linux kernel by now | 14:22 |
| Macer | so if you can check it out and see if you have any ideas.. at this point i don' tknow where to start with it | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | stock kernel by now? hah | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:23 |
| Macer | although i know the current ics kernel has a bug and there are kernels on xda which may prove helpful | 14:23 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: wasn't tegra hw added to the linux base as of late | 14:24 |
| Macer | i thoguht that stuff was open | 14:24 |
| RaYmAn | the tegra stuff is..limited in mainline | 14:24 |
| Macer | great :) | 14:24 |
| Macer | well if i can use a custom kernel from xda that will work | 14:24 |
| RaYmAn | just getting it booting on tf101 will be a fairly large challenge | 14:24 |
| Macer | i think that the tf101 has a rebooting problem | 14:25 |
| Macer | because of their broken ics kernel | 14:25 |
| RaYmAn | rebooting problem? | 14:25 |
| Macer | it can't resume from sleep states without kernel panic | 14:25 |
| RaYmAn | hm. I've never seen that. | 14:25 |
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| Macer | RaYmAn: it has an unlocked bootloader and the flashing tool is similar to an n900 | 14:26 |
| Macer | where it is easy to return it to stock | 14:26 |
| RaYmAn | Macer: tf101 doesn't have an unlocked bootloader. | 14:26 |
| Macer | actually... i am saying that wrong | 14:26 |
| Macer | i mean the flashing part seems to be unlocked | 14:26 |
| RaYmAn | Macer: yeah, that was kindof me that released the stuff to do that ;) | 14:26 |
| Macer | and it seems to be impossible to break | 14:26 |
| Macer | oh heh | 14:27 |
| RaYmAn | it's definitely not with ASUS's blessing :P | 14:27 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 14:27 |
| RaYmAn | and yes, it's essentially unbrickable with nvflash :) | 14:27 |
| Macer | good because this ics debacle | 14:27 |
| Macer | is awful | 14:27 |
| Macer | you haven't had it randomly reboot on you and stay stuck at the circle splash screen? | 14:27 |
| Macer | when being asleep for a while | 14:27 |
| RaYmAn | hm, no | 14:28 |
| RaYmAn | though I don't use it a lot since getting a prime | 14:28 |
| Macer | heh | 14:28 |
| Macer | update to ics | 14:28 |
| Macer | and leave it alone for a while and let it go to sleep | 14:28 |
| Macer | and see if the thing turns back on after a couple hours ;) | 14:28 |
| Macer | you have to reset it by holding down the power button for about 6 seconds | 14:29 |
| Macer | RaYmAn: well.. try to help me get mer on it :-P | 14:29 |
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| Macer | lol | 14:29 |
| Macer | and active | 14:29 |
| Macer | CMON.. one team.. one fight :) | 14:30 |
| RaYmAn | well, should be fixable. These tegra2 boards are...not very stable when it comes to suspend/resume..Tiny changes mess it up | 14:30 |
| RaYmAn | iirc lilstevie already got it running a while back? | 14:30 |
| * Stskeeps glances at meegotouch-compositor | 14:30 | |
| * Stskeeps gets an axe | 14:30 | |
| Macer | RaYmAn: yeah but not too many instructions on how | 14:30 |
| Macer | all i ever saw was one video and some pics with no instructions on how he did it | 14:30 |
| Macer | i'm trying to make a site to explain how to do it | 14:30 |
| RaYmAn | lilstevie: *poke* | 14:30 |
| RaYmAn | he's probably asleep right now :> | 14:31 |
| Macer | for the plebs :) | 14:31 |
| lilstevie | hello | 14:31 |
| Macer | lilstevie: how did you get mer on your tf101 :-P | 14:31 |
| RaYmAn | Macer: i'm hearing the suspend/resume issue might only be the case with dock? | 14:31 |
| Macer | RaYmAn: it happened to mine without the dock attached | 14:31 |
| lilstevie | by writing an image flash and using a kernel | 14:32 |
| lilstevie | :p | 14:32 |
| lilstevie | oh, and a different bootloader | 14:32 |
| RaYmAn | that seems excessive :P | 14:32 |
| Macer | lilstevie: that's what i'm trying to do... but make instructions on how to do it | 14:32 |
| lilstevie | it really isn't that difficult | 14:32 |
| Macer | http://vetus.scientiam.org/2012/02/17/the-removal-of-ad-droid-from-an-asus-transformer-in-progress/ | 14:32 |
| Macer | i didn't get far | 14:32 |
| Macer | how well did active work on it? | 14:32 |
| lilstevie | in reality you could replace the ubuntu rootfs with a mer one | 14:32 |
| lilstevie | active does not work at all without acceleration IIRC | 14:33 |
| Macer | oh.. :-/ so the hw accel didn't work? | 14:33 |
| Macer | that hurts emotionally | 14:33 |
| lilstevie | well that is why u-boot and CrOS kernel was used in my trials | 14:34 |
| RaYmAn | lilstevie: I'd think that fancy llvm egl stuff might work =P | 14:34 |
| Macer | is it because the gpu is closed off? | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: sadly llvm doesn't work properly on arm | 14:34 |
| * dm8tbr has used plasma-active on an OMAP4 without SGX and it runs OK | 14:34 | |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: ah, damn | 14:34 |
| Macer | lilstevie: do you have instructions on how you did it? i'd love to see if i can do anything with this tf101 | 14:35 |
| Macer | at the very lease not use android anymore :) | 14:35 |
| Macer | least | 14:35 |
| Macer | although with android lease works as well | 14:35 |
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| Macer | i'd love to finish writing something with instructiosn on how to make an image and flash a kernel for joe common to follow step by step to get android off the tf101 | 14:37 |
| lilstevie | Macer: well, if you look at the OLiFE stuff | 14:37 |
| lilstevie | first step would be just replace the image with a mer one | 14:38 |
| Macer | you have a site that explains it? | 14:38 |
| Macer | some good reading material? :) | 14:38 |
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| lilstevie | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24879379 | 14:40 |
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| Macer | nice. thanks. i'll start reading ;) | 14:40 |
| Macer | i need to learn how to make the image.. make the kernel.. flash both and boot into mer | 14:40 |
| Macer | sound right? | 14:40 |
| Macer | or just use a pre-made supported kernel i'm guessing? | 14:41 |
| lilstevie | the kernel shouldn't really matter tbh | 14:41 |
| RaYmAn | making the image is generic for any mer device pretty much | 14:41 |
| lilstevie | the only issue I see is the initrd | 14:41 |
| Macer | the kernel is stored on another partition in order to boot on these devices? | 14:41 |
| RaYmAn | yes | 14:42 |
| Macer | i'd probably still want to learn how to do it | 14:42 |
| lilstevie | cause fastboot(type not protocal) bootloaders require initrd while mer does not | 14:42 |
| RaYmAn | lilstevie: they don't require it at all | 14:42 |
| RaYmAn | lilstevie: if you put in NONE as image in mkbootimage it makes a boot.img without initrd. | 14:42 |
| lilstevie | RaYmAn: I have had nothing but failures with doing that | 14:42 |
| Macer | well.. i'm goign to get a pack of cigarettes and some food and try it out after reading this site. thanks a ton for the help.. i'll come here nagging you guys for help later i'm sure lol | 14:43 |
| Macer | wow that is a huge thread | 14:45 |
| Macer | should i just start at the first page? heh | 14:45 |
| lilstevie | heh | 14:45 |
| vgrade | Macer, kernel source compile first then we can do some extraction and rebuilding of the boot.img | 14:46 |
| Macer | ok | 14:47 |
| Macer | brb tho | 14:47 |
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| Macer | i'm going to go through a whole pack figuring this out | 14:47 |
| Macer | store is just 3 blocks away :) | 14:48 |
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| marquiz | Stskeeps: i have problems in local builds with the osc-wrapper/sb2 thingie | 14:51 |
| marquiz | that is, i have to always do a clean build | 14:52 |
| marquiz | is that a known problem or just me? | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | marquiz: yes, that's a known problem - it is fixed in next mer version | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | it was the mother of all shell quoting problems :) | 14:52 |
| marquiz | oh yeh ;) | 14:52 |
| marquiz | but good to know that' | 14:53 |
| marquiz | that's going to be fixed | 14:53 |
| marquiz | eta? :P | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | we're putting out a prerelease with it tonight or tomorrow | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | and then final release thursday | 14:53 |
| marquiz | ok, thx | 14:53 |
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| Macer | wow sunday mornings suck | 15:22 |
| Macer | only thing open is church heh | 15:22 |
| Macer | and starbucks | 15:22 |
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| Macer | alrighty | 16:08 |
| Macer | now to figure out where to start to build a kernel heh | 16:08 |
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| smoku | how do I configure i486 repository on COBS? | 17:26 |
| CosmoHill | if it's like meego, painfully | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: Core:i486 arch i586 | 17:29 |
| smoku | just Core, or Mer:fake:Core ? | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | Mer:fake | 17:29 |
| smoku | thx | 17:29 |
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| Stskeeps | http://blog.livedoor.jp/furikku9310/archives/52244639.html - run it through google translate | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | that was quick | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:49 |
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| Macer | huh? | 18:49 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: ready for 0.20120426.0.0.1 ? | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | frankly, i think we can call it 0.1 | 19:00 |
| lbt | ok | 19:00 |
| lbt | and that's the wrong date isn't it | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i aim for 0.20120419 | 19:03 |
| lbt | right 0.20120419.0.1 coming up | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:03 |
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| * lbt goes to do gloss paintwork whilst it runs... | 19:06 | |
| Stskeeps | i can have it play star wars in ascii art if you want | 19:07 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly how to get to his driving lessons | 19:11 | |
| CosmoHill | driving to your driving lesson would be a bad idea | 19:11 |
| CosmoHill | did you not drive in denmark? | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | no | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | i'll be learning in insane traffic here | 19:14 |
| CosmoHill | my mum's friend is down, he's a country boy and we're a city | 19:14 |
| CosmoHill | there's one set of traffic lights within 100 miles of his house | 19:14 |
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| nj3ma | Hey | 21:46 |
| lbt | evening nj3ma | 21:46 |
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| nj3ma | lbt: Evening | 21:47 |
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