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| timoph | morning | 07:07 |
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| Stskeeps | morn :) | 07:10 |
| timoph | I'm still pondering the env thing | 07:11 |
| timoph | not sure if we can totally avoid hacky solutions | 07:12 |
| timoph | testability often requires hacky things :) | 07:13 |
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| E-P | Morning | 07:23 |
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| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: hello :) | 07:46 |
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| Stskeeps | IanWizard-Cloud: lo | 07:52 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: anything new in the Mer scene? | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: added mer qa tools bugtracker product, let me know what components you need there | 07:53 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | I miss anything? Neural implant support, etc :P | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | IanWizard-Cloud: forward progress, QA effort starting up | 07:53 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: at least eat, tr-lite, test-definition | 07:54 |
| E-P | Stskeeps: great, thank you! | 07:54 |
| E-P | timoph: and other | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | IanWizard-Cloud: qt5 in review atm | 07:55 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Ahh, I prefer to leave QA to the users, and provide random Q ;P | 07:56 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | I try to keep an eye on things, and it seems to be moving, which is always good. | 07:56 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Esp after Meego. | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. if we have to do continous integration we need QA :) | 07:56 |
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| E-P | timoph: we should tag the current tools in the gitorious and then move them to mer git then | 07:57 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: review 314 should be abandoned/rejected or something | 07:57 |
| E-P | timoph: do you want to make some changes to the tools before moving the first versions to mer git and obs? | 07:57 |
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| timoph | E-P: no | 07:57 |
| timoph | import as is and fix as needed | 07:58 |
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| E-P | ok | 07:59 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: grr... why gerrit has some formatting in the review notes, If I write line starting with * or - it decides it is a bulletpoint and does html formatting for it :) | 08:05 |
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| Stskeeps | evil | 08:11 |
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| Sage | rantom_: gave some comments on python 2.7.3 packaging | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | rantom? | 08:22 |
| Sage | well who ever that is :D | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 08:23 |
| Sage | ah, it was letters.random13 the email :P | 08:23 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: can you kick augeas | 08:24 |
| Sage | also I wonder why the nss fix caused failure on glibc | 08:24 |
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| Stskeeps | i will prolly drop nss this release as glibc dep | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | can first kick later this afternoon | 08:29 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: sounds good to me | 08:44 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, any Mer people in prague? | 08:50 |
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| Stskeeps | openmobility.eu/en | 08:51 |
| jukkaeklund | :) | 08:57 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: your site doesn't have much information on how to get mer onto a transformer | 10:08 |
| Macer | is there anything out there for it? | 10:08 |
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| Macer | have rasberry pie units been sold and shipped already? | 10:09 |
| Macer | i thought those were vaporware like pandora :) | 10:09 |
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| alterego | the pi started shipping.yesterday to the early orderers. | 10:14 |
| Macer | 700MHz? | 10:14 |
| Macer | ouch | 10:14 |
| Macer | hope that improves | 10:14 |
| Macer | odd that it uses a broadcom chipset but doesn't have a wifi chipset on it... guess that would push it over $35 | 10:15 |
| Macer | interesting concept tho.. wonder how much a case for it would cost :) i wouldn't mind getting one | 10:15 |
| Macer | where are they being made? | 10:17 |
| Macer | UK? | 10:17 |
| * Macer crosses his fingers to not hear "Asia" | 10:17 | |
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| _av500_ | china | 10:28 |
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| Macer | damn | 10:34 |
| Macer | i hate asia | 10:34 |
| lbt | this is probably not a good channel for you then... :) | 10:34 |
| lbt | considering many of Mer's customers will come from or use suppliers in asia | 10:35 |
| lbt | you know the raspi people tried to get the boards assembled in the UK? | 10:36 |
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| lbt | but *our* government taxes component imports much higher than assembled boards ... so the govt priced UK manufacturers out... | 10:36 |
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| _av500_ | it would have cost 3 quid more, big deal | 10:58 |
| lbt | to who? you or the school education budgets? | 10:59 |
| lbt | I read that that was a factor in the costing and the decision | 10:59 |
| lbt | I don't know the business case well enough to say if it's a big deal - it may have been | 11:00 |
| lbt | I've had a business case where £0.01 mattered | 11:00 |
| _av500_ | i have that daily :) | 11:00 |
| lbt | so you can accept that it may have been a big deal - we can't really know | 11:01 |
| lbt | (and I guess that's telco then?) | 11:01 |
| _av500_ | well, more like £0.10 :) | 11:02 |
| lbt | mine was voip and breakout costs | 11:03 |
| _av500_ | 0.01 matters of you talk about millions of units | 11:04 |
| lbt | *nod* | 11:05 |
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| Macer | lbt: that is everybody nowadays tho | 11:10 |
| Macer | finding non-asian electronics is like finding uranium in your basement under a brick | 11:11 |
| lbt | yep | 11:11 |
| _av500_ | buy a beagleboard, made in texas | 11:12 |
| Macer | you mean assembled in tx ;) | 11:13 |
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| Macer | i bet 100% of the electronics are from asia | 11:13 |
| Macer | even the silicon boards | 11:13 |
| _av500_ | silicon boards? | 11:13 |
| _av500_ | you mean the pcb? | 11:13 |
| Macer | yes | 11:14 |
| _av500_ | made locally afaik | 11:14 |
| * lbt likes things made by humans, on earth | 11:14 | |
| lbt | why so provincial? | 11:14 |
| _av500_ | lbt: s/humans/robots/ :) | 11:14 |
| lbt | robots are human by proxy :) | 11:14 |
| Macer | because regardless of what people would like to think asian products are cheap and i swear are made with some type of solder or copper that wears in 5 years time as a timer to break | 11:14 |
| lbt | that's not true | 11:15 |
| Macer | i am starting to suspect they're doing it on purpose | 11:15 |
| Macer | :) | 11:15 |
| lbt | 'we' buy the cheapest products and force quality to suit | 11:15 |
| Macer | lbt: all i can say is that so far anything i have ever purchased that was made in china lasted 5 years | 11:15 |
| lbt | don't blame people for responding to market demands | 11:15 |
| lbt | Macer: you're US based? | 11:15 |
| Macer | i'm not.. but now there are no other options ;) | 11:15 |
| Macer | i looked for a US made television | 11:16 |
| Macer | couldn't find one | 11:16 |
| lbt | what's the legal requirement for longevity of electronics? | 11:16 |
| Macer | heh | 11:16 |
| lbt | legal == socially mandated | 11:16 |
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| lbt | 1 year? | 11:16 |
| Macer | lbt: as long as the warranty i guess :-P | 11:16 |
| Macer | but still | 11:16 |
| lbt | yep - look at Apple in the EU | 11:16 |
| lbt | the EU mandates 2 years | 11:16 |
| lbt | that forces quality (and price) up | 11:16 |
| Macer | heh | 11:16 |
| lbt | or in this case reduces the gouging that Apple can do | 11:17 |
| lbt | *shudder* | 11:17 |
| Macer | but shipping nowadays outweighs labor price differences | 11:17 |
| Macer | with oil past the $100 mark | 11:17 |
| lbt | yep... | 11:17 |
| Macer | not to mention the dollar is turning into crap | 11:17 |
| _av500_ | US made TV, good one | 11:17 |
| lbt | and who's fault is that? | 11:17 |
| * lbt looks at US military expenditure | 11:18 | |
| Macer | politicians :-P | 11:18 |
| Macer | heh | 11:18 |
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| Macer | free trade ruined the world | 11:18 |
| Macer | :) | 11:18 |
| lbt | it sure doesn't help | 11:18 |
| Macer | we traded tariffs for taxes | 11:18 |
| Macer | so we are helping china | 11:18 |
| Macer | on the backs of our citizens | 11:18 |
| _av500_ | time to throw tea into a harbour.... | 11:18 |
| Macer | because the burden of no tariff is passed onto the citizens | 11:18 |
| Macer | a shame | 11:18 |
| Macer | _av500_: yeah.. probably right | 11:19 |
| Macer | or find a piece of land and start a new country | 11:19 |
| * lbt looks at chinese respect for science and US respect for science... and knows which one he's backing | 11:19 | |
| Macer | the US is an example of what happens to open source :) | 11:19 |
| _av500_ | and throw the tea party after it | 11:19 |
| Macer | _av500_: are there any US made tvs anymore? | 11:19 |
| _av500_ | not since the 80s | 11:19 |
| Macer | zenith was the last company i remember actually making tvs domestically until they went out of business | 11:20 |
| Macer | or were bought then did | 11:20 |
| Macer | heh | 11:20 |
| Macer | i'd love to find something electronic made 100% local | 11:20 |
| Macer | a PC.... anything | 11:20 |
| _av500_ | and btw, chinese PCBs and elcetronics are as good as european ones | 11:20 |
| lolcat | So when will Mer be done and availeble for my galaxy note? | 11:21 |
| Macer | _av500_: if you say so ... they're doing something to it.. they've probably chemically engineered the metal to disolve after 5 years :) | 11:21 |
| lbt | ha | 11:21 |
| _av500_ | Macer: bs | 11:21 |
| Macer | heh | 11:21 |
| _av500_ | you can get crap stuff out of china too | 11:21 |
| Macer | _av500_: someone should investigate it ;) | 11:21 |
| lbt | lolcat: Mer doesn't target any specific hardware | 11:21 |
| _av500_ | like you can get crap coke from the wrong dealer | 11:22 |
| lbt | lolcat: you need someone handling a hardware adaptation - like Nemo or PlasmaActive | 11:22 |
| Macer | _av500_: how do you know what good is if there is a monopoly that forces bad upon you as the norm? | 11:22 |
| lbt | lolcat: unless you're interested in starting with a kernel and doing some work? | 11:22 |
| Macer | all i can say is electroncis from the 80s still work to this day | 11:23 |
| Macer | anything i have bought in the last 10 years has failed in 5 | 11:23 |
| Macer | all made in asia mostly china | 11:23 |
| _av500_ | Macer: btw, PCs are still made in europe | 11:23 |
| Macer | :) | 11:23 |
| _av500_ | former Fujitsu/Siemens makes PCs in germany | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | okay, guys, we are from different nationalities here, including china, please move off topic to #mer | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | okay, guys, we are from different nationalities here, including china, please move off topic to #mer | 11:23 |
| _av500_ | pcb and all | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | err. | 11:23 |
| Macer | now i am no scientist nor have i done research.. but it forces one to suspect :) | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | #mer-bar | 11:23 |
| Macer | oh.. there's a mer-bar | 11:24 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: are there solid steps somewhere on how to get mer onto a transformer? | 11:24 |
| lolcat | lbt: Do we have a bootloader? If I could find the specs on the cellmo I guess I could make something work | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | no, ask whoever does a hw adaptation for it | 11:24 |
| lbt | lolcat: Mer doesn't have a bootloader - not sure what that device uses | 11:25 |
| Macer | ah. vgrade said if he had time today we'd try to figure something out | 11:25 |
| Macer | so maybe if he pops up today we can work on it.. i've just been a little busy with my father being sick | 11:25 |
| lbt | lolcat: Mer takes over when you provide a working kernel | 11:25 |
| lbt | lolcat: we have certain CONFIG_ that you must provide | 11:25 |
| lbt | but this permits a greater range of hardware adaptations | 11:26 |
| Macer | to what extent does mer install userland tools? | 11:26 |
| Macer | just basic hardware stuff until you add a repo? | 11:26 |
| lbt | Macer: the core is pretty minimal | 11:26 |
| lolcat | Oh, so I supply a kernel and then you fix the rest? | 11:26 |
| lbt | but it's linux command line | 11:26 |
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| lbt | lolcat: yes, all the way up to a blank X/Wayland screen | 11:26 |
| Macer | lbt: well.. maybe if we are able to get mer and a repo going and active working on a transformer it will just be a matter of making an image | 11:27 |
| Macer | that would be awesome | 11:27 |
| lbt | lolcat: then on top of that you put a UI layer | 11:27 |
| lbt | Macer: yes - we provide tools to make that easy too | 11:27 |
| Macer | at least make it easier for people who want to do it later.. it's getting it up and running that is a pain i am sure | 11:27 |
| lolcat | lbt: What about dirvers? | 11:28 |
| Macer | drivers/modules are usually part of the kernel src aren't they? | 11:28 |
| lbt | Macer: (and lolcat) the idea is that experts work on the hardware adaptation (including drivers) and this makes it easy to share UX | 11:28 |
| lbt | Macer: typically you need to provide GLES2.0 libraries | 11:28 |
| Macer | experts being......? heh | 11:28 |
| lbt | Macer: someone with a device and time on their hands :) | 11:29 |
| Macer | haha... fair enough | 11:29 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Graphics_adaptation | 11:29 |
| Macer | well. if vgrade comes back around today i'll see if he can help me get it going on the transformer | 11:29 |
| lolcat | Where can I check wheater it has been done before? | 11:29 |
| Macer | android needs to go | 11:29 |
| Macer | but i'm sure the cam and gps drivers will never work just like the n810/n900 etc :-/ | 11:30 |
| lbt | lolcat: google :) unless someone here happens to know | 11:30 |
| Macer | or at the very least run into major problems trying to do so | 11:30 |
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| lbt | lolcat: typically you're looking for the people that are hacking the device | 11:30 |
| lbt | then once you have a kernel : http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step | 11:31 |
| lolcat | Will/does Mer include an implementation of Dalvik? | 11:32 |
| lbt | no | 11:32 |
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| lolcat | I really would love to have Maemo, but it seems getting maemo to work isn't easy | 11:33 |
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| Macer | dalvik? yuck heh | 11:57 |
| Macer | the world's biggest blunder next to python | 11:58 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 12:10 |
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| waa | y u want maemo? | 14:41 |
| waa | the best thign i did on maemo was replace browserd with a dummy sleep 3600 loop, install debian and chromium in a chroot | 14:42 |
| Macer | maemo is great | 14:42 |
| Macer | :) | 14:42 |
| waa | nemomobile actualy worked on the HW with i guess meego's kernel and QT. i heard somethin about smoku porting GTK3/hildon/maemo-ui stuff to mer? | 14:42 |
| * Macer holds his n900 in a sensual manner | 14:43 | |
| Macer | waa: how is nemo on an n900? | 14:43 |
| waa | incredibly easy to install. dd to a miniSD card and it just worked | 14:43 |
| Macer | i meant to try it but have this fear that everything in the ui will be broken heh | 14:43 |
| waa | at least camera, wifi worked. not sure about GPS | 14:43 |
| Macer | i'm sure something doesn't work :) | 14:43 |
| Macer | just dd to a minisd? you mean micro? | 14:44 |
| waa | whatever itt is | 14:44 |
| Macer | what happens to the rest of the space on it? you have to growfs it or something? | 14:44 |
| waa | yes i keep 2.6.28 kernel from maemo and chroot into mer/debian stuff usually | 14:44 |
| waa | just so i can fall back on legacy binary crap from maemo for GPS and whateverelse is missing | 14:44 |
| Macer | i wouldn't mind a full replacement for maemo | 14:45 |
| waa | its 3 partitionsi think | 14:45 |
| Macer | if everything worked | 14:45 |
| Macer | but i doubt everything works ;) | 14:45 |
| * Macer points at nitdroid | 14:45 | |
| waa | youve tried that? | 14:45 |
| Macer | a while back | 14:45 |
| Macer | it was getting better but they hit the typical drivers roadblock | 14:45 |
| Macer | i'm sure meego did as well at some point | 14:46 |
| Macer | where it was easier to just drop trying to get the n900 working in favor of concentrating on the N9/950 (the only phones which actually run meego) | 14:46 |
| waa | archos has 4 inch tablets | 14:46 |
| waa | i think mer runs on those | 14:46 |
| Macer | heh | 14:46 |
| Macer | yeah but it's always a crapshot | 14:46 |
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| Macer | if you go outside the stock stuff.. things stop working | 14:47 |
| waa | well, vanilla 3.3 linux has a lot of n900 support | 14:47 |
| Macer | when mer was going on for the n810 and it had a ui.... a lot of hardware didn't work.. and the ui was pretty pointless | 14:47 |
| Macer | n8x0 actually i suppose | 14:47 |
| Macer | the base was nice if they could get all the hardware working... but then you step into nokidiot and ti territory | 14:48 |
| Macer | and those fools will never help an open project out with any real conviction | 14:48 |
| Macer | other than releasing broken sdks :) | 14:48 |
| waa | nemo took photos out of the box, i was impressed | 14:48 |
| waa | i guess it uses Meego's 2.6.37 kernel, which Nokia released a n900 build of | 14:48 |
| waa | so most stuff works | 14:48 |
| Macer | i think htc learned the lesson that it sucks when you have a whole staff that works on android dev and some guy going by the name "cyanogen" makes something better from the src google handed out | 14:49 |
| Macer | hahaha | 14:49 |
| Macer | they don't help because of embarassment :) | 14:49 |
| waa | im still annoyed people love google's dalvik/java monstrosity | 14:49 |
| waa | isntead of reusing pulseaudio/X/wayand/dbus like maemo did | 14:49 |
| Macer | i don't care too much for it | 14:49 |
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| Macer | but the alternative was to use X based stuff | 14:49 |
| Macer | wayland is the new x isn't it? | 14:50 |
| Macer | supposed to cut out a lot of the legacy unnecessary X stuff? | 14:50 |
| Macer | which probably isn't required now that most things have direct hw access | 14:50 |
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| Macer | either way... X had to go heh | 14:51 |
| Macer | plus there are probably far more java coders out there nowadays than the world needs | 14:52 |
| Macer | using it to do awesome multi-platform stuff just like it was intended lol | 14:53 |
| waa | vivaldi's screen res is amusing. 800x480? didnt Openmoko have that in 2005 | 14:53 |
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| waa | at least u can use XFT/fontconfig subpixel antialias. unlike apple's awful blue-based antialias that needs a retina display | 14:54 |
| Macer | i love how apple just increased the screen res :) | 14:54 |
| Macer | and called it "new" hahaha | 14:54 |
| Macer | high fives to apple for that one | 14:54 |
| waa | ya. their grayscale antialias is so awful on low-res screen | 14:54 |
| Macer | just herding the cattle | 14:54 |
| Macer | it takes a trained eye to notice anti-aliased fonts ;) | 14:55 |
| Macer | most of the cattle don't care... they just want to make sure the apple symbol is showing to the world | 14:55 |
| waa | fixed is a great font | 14:55 |
| waa | id take a 800x480 open tablet over an iPAd | 14:56 |
| Macer | i guess.. i'd take an ipad over an android tablet | 14:56 |
| Macer | i have a tf101 and the damn things randomly reboots unless i run a 3rd party app to keep the cpu awake | 14:57 |
| Macer | asus fail | 14:57 |
| waa | as much as i hate propreitary sw. i think that model inspired a ton of creative multlitouch apps | 14:57 |
| waa | the incentive of $4 per app-sale caused people to slave over it | 14:57 |
| Macer | i honestly believe that the closed stuff is better since it follows a straight path | 14:57 |
| waa | that said, between maemo/meego/mer/tizen/openmoko/e17 there are so many X apps that are decsigned for a touchscreen. and on Android you cnat run them | 14:57 |
| Macer | the open stuff forks and then combines.. then forks the fork of the fork to fork back to another fork | 14:57 |
| Macer | then gets strung together by python lol | 14:58 |
| waa | actualy there are some X servers for android. i gues you could chroot into a linux userspace and export your DISPLAY | 14:58 |
| Macer | yeah. there are a few | 14:58 |
| Macer | i never tried any of them tho | 14:58 |
| waa | f course ALSA will be fubar since dalvik's VM will be claiming audio devices and god knows what else | 14:58 |
| waa | various drivers will only work right with proprietary android apps | 14:58 |
| Macer | well.. that sort of thing is what mer is for ;) | 14:59 |
| Macer | the only problem is getting it to work on your device | 14:59 |
| Macer | and the hardware to work ... which companies refuse to allow in anything other than what a device is designed for | 15:00 |
| waa | whats thee deal with Archos | 15:00 |
| waa | do they personally ensure Ubuntu installs before shipping hardware? | 15:00 |
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| waa | the fact that MEr runs on them bumps to #! choice of a cablet for me | 15:01 |
| waa | i'll stick w/ n900 until it breaks tho | 15:01 |
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| Macer | heh | 15:02 |
| Macer | me too | 15:02 |
| Macer | i love my n900 :-P | 15:02 |
| Macer | truth be told maemo is probably as close as it's ever going to get to having a functional linux feeling distro on a phone | 15:03 |
| Macer | i doubt there will ever be another one like it | 15:03 |
| timoph | that's why I got two :) | 15:03 |
| Macer | heh | 15:03 |
| Macer | my first one broke | 15:03 |
| Macer | usb port thing :( | 15:03 |
| timoph | +3 space batteries | 15:04 |
| timoph | spare | 15:04 |
| Macer | i had to ebay another one but got it for 250 | 15:04 |
| Macer | and a battery charger so i never have to use my usb port again unless i flash heh | 15:04 |
| Macer | and 3 batteries :) | 15:04 |
| timoph | :) | 15:04 |
| Macer | well... i had 1.. got a new one with the phone.. and 1 included with the $5 charger | 15:04 |
| Macer | heh | 15:04 |
| Macer | Made in China | 15:04 |
| timoph | I just wish I still had a flashing jig for it | 15:04 |
| Macer | US Seller!! | 15:04 |
| Macer | haha | 15:04 |
| Macer | at least i can use the old n900 for spare parts in case something breaks on this one | 15:05 |
| Macer | like the screen and plastics | 15:05 |
| timoph | that stand broke on my other n900. I just glued it to it's hole | 15:05 |
| Macer | i kept such great care of it and of all things the usb port snapped off.. i was so depressed.. i loved that phone... took 3 weeks for my new one to get here | 15:06 |
| Macer | timoph: i need to buy spare keyboards | 15:06 |
| Macer | they fade | 15:06 |
| Macer | my last one you can see the white backlight heh | 15:06 |
| timoph | :) | 15:06 |
| Macer | but yeah. the n900 was seriously one of a kind | 15:06 |
| waa | ARchos webpage touts dual-boot to linux | 15:06 |
| timoph | but the one maemo device that I trulu treasue is my 770 | 15:06 |
| timoph | it still works after all these years | 15:07 |
| Macer | too bad it didn't have much of a commercial following as far as support from nokia | 15:07 |
| Macer | since they were too busy being idiots | 15:07 |
| waa | Dual boot between Linux Android™ and Linux Ångström "Your ARCHOS 101 internet tablet is completely open | 15:07 |
| Macer | 2 steps shy of bankruptcy | 15:07 |
| waa | i think Microsoft bought out their board or something | 15:07 |
| Macer | i'm waiting on it.. it has to happen soon.. someone will either buy them out or they will go bankrupt | 15:07 |
| waa | its all very bizarre | 15:07 |
| waa | them killing so many projects and going Windows | 15:07 |
| Macer | heh | 15:07 |
| Macer | i haven't even tried a windows phone | 15:08 |
| Macer | does it outright suck? | 15:08 |
| waa | yes | 15:08 |
| timoph | at least there are other jobs available | 15:08 |
| waa | no apps, IE as a browser | 15:08 |
| Macer | i know win8 is supposed to be some touch based thing that looks utterly awful | 15:08 |
| Macer | no apps? | 15:08 |
| * timoph had to change job after the ms thing | 15:08 | |
| Macer | timoph: wow really? you worked at nokia? | 15:08 |
| Macer | symbian dev? :) lol | 15:08 |
| timoph | subcontractor | 15:08 |
| timoph | test tools, etc. for maemo/meego | 15:09 |
| Macer | oh | 15:09 |
| Macer | send me your n950 :-P | 15:09 |
| Macer | i want one | 15:09 |
| timoph | :) | 15:09 |
| timoph | actually the screen on it broke :/ | 15:09 |
| Macer | blah | 15:09 |
| Macer | you should be ashamed for that | 15:10 |
| rantom | Sage: You called? | 15:10 |
| Macer | those things are probably the most rare phones in existance lol | 15:10 |
| timoph | yep :) | 15:10 |
| Macer | i'm sure some day a collectors item | 15:10 |
| Macer | they're not even on ebay | 15:10 |
| timoph | it already is | 15:10 |
| Macer | heh | 15:10 |
| timoph | the screen didn't competely break. it has a few permanent black lines in it | 15:10 |
| Macer | that's broken :-P | 15:11 |
| waa | cold solder joints? | 15:11 |
| Macer | n9 doesn't have the same screen? | 15:11 |
| timoph | no | 15:11 |
| Macer | damn | 15:11 |
| timoph | n950 has lcd | 15:11 |
| Macer | how the hell is a damn e7 still so expensive?? | 15:12 |
| Macer | i know they don't sell THAT well | 15:12 |
| Macer | $500 | 15:12 |
| Macer | N9 is around 500 now too | 15:12 |
| timoph | dunno but that imo has the best hw keyboard nokia ever made | 15:12 |
| Macer | i am tempted to get one but don't want to buy into disappointment :) | 15:13 |
| Macer | the e7? | 15:13 |
| Macer | i heard | 15:13 |
| timoph | yeah | 15:13 |
| Macer | i want to get one but i figured with the price of their stock going down so would their e7 price | 15:13 |
| Macer | but they're going up :-P | 15:13 |
| timoph | can't say the same about the software though :) | 15:13 |
| Macer | i should have got them when they hit the 380 mark | 15:13 |
| Macer | does it have an ssh client and a gtalk or jabber client? | 15:13 |
| Macer | for the last symbian they made? | 15:13 |
| Macer | that's all i'd need ;) | 15:14 |
| timoph | don't actually know | 15:14 |
| Macer | i really would love to get one | 15:14 |
| Macer | but not at that price | 15:14 |
| Macer | nokia should sell them off for $200 :) | 15:14 |
| Macer | there really isn't too much choice for phone os left | 15:16 |
| timoph | yep | 15:16 |
| Macer | ios... android... uhm..... | 15:16 |
| Macer | i guess symbian if you still want to count that and windows | 15:16 |
| waa | 4" tablet and mer | 15:20 |
| waa | http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_101it/tabletpc.html?country=us&lang=en it is pretty clear ARchos is actively encouraging openness | 15:21 |
| Macer | yeah but most true open mobile interfaces actually like.. totally suck | 15:23 |
| Macer | although i haven't tried active yet | 15:23 |
| Macer | maemo was the only one that kind of came close but we all learned how "open" that was :) | 15:23 |
| waa | e17/illume is fine | 15:24 |
| waa | so is gtk3/matchbox/hildon | 15:24 |
| waa | yu just need to tab between apps. not rocket science | 15:24 |
| Macer | is hildon actually open? i thought there were quite a few places where it was closed | 15:25 |
| waa | plasma-active on KDE4 is preobaly even fine | 15:25 |
| Macer | yeah. i haven't tried it | 15:25 |
| Macer | i want to if i can get mer on this transformer | 15:26 |
| Macer | and install active and see how well it works | 15:26 |
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| * Stskeeps returns to desk | 15:36 | |
| timoph | o/ | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: kicked augeas | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | waa: historical wise, the nemo team is the remainders of the people who brought .37 and rest of meego port to n900 :) | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | waa: generation 9 / G9 of archos tablets even has a SDE (Special Developer Edition) which runs Mer these days | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | with mer+plasma active, that is | 15:42 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, Hexxeh has cros up on the Pi in 27 | 15:44 |
| vgrade | MB | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: not ba | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | d | 15:44 |
| vgrade | with x, connecivity | 15:44 |
| vgrade | but not browser yet | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | ah, now that's cheatin | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | g | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | i had qmlviewer+gles up in 37mb | 15:45 |
| vgrade | he was having issues with chromium v6 buils last I noticed | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. v8 is a bitch | 15:45 |
| vgrade | yea, we've been comparing sizes :) | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | it would probably be possible to use thumb1 on armv6 for some things but .. | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | i'd rather spend time on thumb2-enablign mer | 15:46 |
| vgrade | yea he mentioned he's not using thumb yet | 15:46 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: what's EAT short for again? | 15:51 |
| timoph | enables test automation | 15:51 |
| timoph | can be renamed freely | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:51 |
| timoph | since that is a platform specific thing | 15:51 |
| timoph | err. no | 15:52 |
| timoph | that is "enables automated testing" | 15:52 |
| timoph | it's been too long :p | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.merproject.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Mer%20QA%20Tools | 15:53 |
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| Stskeeps | ^ E-P | 15:53 |
| timoph | nice | 15:54 |
| timoph | do we need "other"? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | yes, true | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | done | 15:55 |
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| timoph | shows as ".Other" to me | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | intentional | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | then it comes in top | 15:56 |
| timoph | ah | 15:56 |
| timoph | clever | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | we have same over in mer core | 15:56 |
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| timoph | any ideas for the environment thing? | 16:02 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: well, other way is to have testrunner include the environment before each command manually | 16:22 |
| timoph | hmmh | 16:23 |
| timoph | !! | 16:24 |
| MerBot | timoph: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 16:24 |
| timoph | sauna turn started 25mins ago | 16:24 |
| * timoph goes | 16:24 | |
| Stskeeps | have a good one | 16:24 |
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| timoph | back | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 16:53 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: so to pass the env as a cmd line parameter to tr? | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | well, more like that upon ssh it will load the env, export it, start process.. | 16:54 |
| timoph | trying to picture how it'd work in practise | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 16:54 |
| timoph | btw, your coming to devaamo summit right? | 16:55 |
| timoph | 're | 16:55 |
| timoph | was thinking that since most the qa people are finland based we could have a mer qa workshop during the summit | 16:56 |
| timoph | maybe even propose it to be included in the program | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | that's my plan, also planning to propose a talk | 16:58 |
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| timoph | cool | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | what exactly about, well, i need a martini and some time's quiet to figure it out | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:59 |
| timoph | :) | 16:59 |
| timoph | excuse to come and stock up on liquorice :p | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | that's another part of the story | 17:00 |
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| timoph | need to check what the diff in the env was | 17:05 |
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| timoph | so if we do something like this in eat "env > /root/.ssh/environment" and "echo "AllowUserEnvironment yes" >> /etc/ssh/sshd_config" then the env is ok through ssh | 17:27 |
| timoph | dbus and all | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | intruiging | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | my sshd_config man page doesn't have that | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | in fedora | 17:28 |
| timoph | or was it permituser.. | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | PermitUserEnvironment | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | Specifies whether ~/.ssh/environment and environment= options in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys are processed by sshd(8). The default is “no”. Enabling environment processing may enable users to bypass access restrictions in some configurations using mechanisms such as LD_PRELOAD. | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | interesting about environment= | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | command="command" | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | Specifies that the command is executed whenever this key is used for authentication. The command supplied by the user (if any) is ignored. The command is run on a pty if the client requests a pty; otherwise it is run without a tty. If an 8-bit clean channel is required, one must not request | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | a pty or should specify no-pty. A quote may be included in the command by quoting it with a backslash. This option might be useful to restrict certain public keys to perform just a specific operation. An example might be a key that permits remote backups but nothing else. Note that the | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | client may specify TCP and/or X11 forwarding unless they are explicitly prohibited. The command originally supplied by the client is available in the SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND environment variable. Note that this option applies to shell, command or subsystem execution. Also note that this command | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | may be superseded by either a sshd_config(5) ForceCommand directive or a command embedded in a certificate. | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | eat-env there? :) | 17:32 |
| * timoph tries to keep up :) | 17:32 | |
| timoph | hmmh. interesting | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | think eat key would mean 'eat-setup-env' will be run when ssh'ing in | 17:32 |
| timoph | that might actually do the trick | 17:33 |
| timoph | the "the command supplied by user (if any) is ignored" part might be a blocker if I understood it correctly | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | The command originally supplied by the client is available in the SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND environment variable. | 17:36 |
| timoph | ah | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | to the command | 17:36 |
| timoph | <3 man pages | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | so set up environment, run $SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | i had no idea this existed until you told me of permituserenvironment | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:37 |
| timoph | :) | 17:37 |
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