Friday, 2012-04-13

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iekkumorning Stskeeps05:00
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Stskeepsmorn l3i :)05:27
l3iToo bad that I missed yesterday's QA meeting... Was online though, so I know what was discussed. At least after I read it :)05:29
l3iGot the basics already though05:30
Stskeeps:nod: that's the good thing about irc meetings, you can always catch up in less than 5 minutes05:31
l3iActually I reserved time for participating, but I got the starting time wrong :/05:31
E-Pthe next QA meeting we could have one hour ealier05:32
l3iE-P: Ok, could be a better starting time from my perspective05:34
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E-Pl3i: I would like to hear your ideas and comments about how the things should be done05:45
E-PI think you have good knowledge about these things05:46
l3iE-P: Guess I do, but I'll probably need some time to digest the Mer/Meego side of things before I can give much input (as I'm more familiar with things in Maemo).05:48
l3iE-P: Just starting to dig more into Mer now05:48
Stskeeps:nod: if there's any questions, no matter how stupid, feel free to ask :)05:48
l3iStskeeps: Thanks, I'll try to be stupid enough :)05:50
l3iE-P: So far the conclusions from the QA discussions have seemed fairly sound to me. Not very much progress yet of course, but I'd say it's a good start05:55
E-Pnice to hear05:56
l3iHappy to see familiar people involved too :)05:56
* Stskeeps merges scratchbox2 2.3.52 after a long and hard fight05:59
* timoph yawns06:05
l3iMorning timoph06:05
l3iand morning Kaadlajk.. didn't recognize you until now :)06:08
E-Plike saunabad06:09
E-Ptimoph: did you move some of the tools already from the Meego gitorious?06:09
timophwait a sec06:09
* l3i will need a bit of time getting used to what people are called here06:10
timophE-P: what's your gitorious username? I'll give you admin rights06:11
timophyou should have the rights how06:12
E-PI was thinking how we do with the tools, most of the tools don't have any upstream project06:12
timophnow even06:12
E-Ptimoph: thanks06:12
timophyeah. That's why I started moving them away from the meego namespace06:12
timophfeel free to add new repos and move other stuff there06:13
Stskeepsbtw, testrunner-lite, what dependencies does it have?06:14
timophthe only thing different there is that I modified tr-lite a bit so that it doesn't print the nokia disclaimer on every run06:14
timopha sec06:14
timophautoconf, doxygen, libxml2-devel, check-devel, libcurl-devel, libtool, libssh2-devel, libuuid-devel06:15
Stskeepsok, so not bad06:15
Kaadlajklibssh2 is optional dep06:15
Stskeepsif anyone is interested in going into business, i'm fairly sure that tizen startups will need it, btw06:15
timophbut we want to have that :)06:15
Stskeepsthat place seems utterly devoid of QA06:15
E-Ptimoph: do you want to keep the tools in gitorius or should we have some tools in Mer git?06:16
l3iStskeeps: tizen doesn't have qa..?06:16
E-PI would like to have all to the QA tools in one place06:16
timophE-P: I don't have a preference06:16
Stskeepsl3i: i don't really see any test cases or test tools06:16
Stskeepsl3i: except maybe build-time tests06:16
l3iStskeeps: Uh06:17
Kaadlajktimoph: imo you could have left the packaging stuff06:17
Stskeepsl3i: yeah.. :P06:17
Kaadlajkas a reference or something06:17
timophKaadlajk: was planning to relplace that with a readme06:17
timophimo packaging shouldn't be included in upstream projects06:18
l3iHow well does the libssh2 support in tr-lite actually work nowadays?06:18
Kaadlajkl3i: same as before, should work but not thoroughly tested06:18
l3iKaadlajk: Ok, assumed so06:18
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E-Ptimoph: so that gitorious could be the upstream for the tools, and Mer modification/changes could be in the mer git06:19
Kaadlajktimoph: still some reference or example how to package is nice06:19
* timoph makes a note to add readmes with compilation instructions to the repos06:19
timophE-P: not sure if we need a separate upstream project06:20
l3itimoph: Are you expecting Mer to be the upstream project for the tools?06:21
* timoph ponders06:22
E-Pwould be nice to have the tools as own project, then other open source projects could use them06:22
Stskeepsi think you have chance of world domination, you're of course welcome to host with us, but it might be good to seperate tools from certain distro06:22
timophE-P: what kind of modification you see we need to do for mer?06:22
E-Pwithout having mer specified stuff06:22
E-Ptimoph: like the packaging, configurations etc06:22
E-Ptimoph: qa-reports, theming06:23
Kaadlajkalso customflasher in OTS and hwinfo module in tr-lite?06:23
Stskeepspackaging, configurations we can handle in mer git, ie, by taking upstream tarball06:23
Stskeepsi think06:23
timophok. now we're in the same page :)06:23
E-PStskeeps: yes, that was what I was thinking06:23
Stskeeps;a=tree -ish06:23
timophthose project specifics naturally don't belong upstream unless gives as a reference implementation06:24
Stskeepsi think you already now can assume the tools will be used in mer and mer vendor projects at least06:24
Stskeepsand possibly other places if you do a good job :)06:24
timophyep. so I'd keep the upstream "clean" versions of the tools somewhere else (eg. the gitorious project)06:25
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E-Ptimoph: yes, new features and fixes would go to upstream06:26
E-Pmainly developing the tools for Mer, but all contirubtions are welcome06:26
timophso we're ok using the test-execution-tools project in gitorious?06:27
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E-Pfine for me, we can change it later if needed06:27
timophso who else needs rights there?06:27
timophKaadlajk: ?06:27
l3itimoph: Is that a new project?06:28
Kaadlajkl3i: yes, moved away from domain06:28
Stskeepsas meego.gitorious will one day go same way as maemo.gitorious is going06:28
l3iKaadlajk: Sounds reasonable..06:28
Kaadlajktimoph: sure i can take access rights :-)06:29
l3itimoph: Me too?06:29
KaadlajkI read that intel/LF has some kind of legal obligation to keep stuff alive for 2 years after last release06:30
l3itimoph: Same as my nick -> l3i06:30
Kaadlajktimoph: kylanpaj06:30
E-Plet's document how to develop the tools etc. to Mer wiki for now06:31
Stskeepsmer wiki also serves as an incubator for individual mer-related projects, so that's fine06:32
l3itimoph: thanks06:32
E-PStskeeps: nod06:32
timophhmmh. just remembered that the graphical tools are broken currently in the new repo since I removed the packaging06:33
StskeepsBTW, governance wise: if any of you feel like you have the technical merit to claim your stake / your area for official recognition, you can make a claim to the advisory board meetings to get a proper title within the project, voting rights, etc06:33
timophthey pull version information from the packaging thus making the packaging stuff a compilation dependency06:34
timophand that really needs to be fixed06:34
E-PStskeeps: that might be useful when we have something working06:35
Stskeepsjust letting you all know, we value contributions a lot :)06:35
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E-Ptimoph: I guess similar contribution process as we had in meego, no direct commits to master, always via merge requests06:36
timophE-P: works for me06:36
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E-Plbt or X-Fade: I would need an account to COBS06:40
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timophbtw, do want to name maintainers for the tools?06:43
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timophas in a person that has the final say in what's included or not, etc.06:44
timophor do we want to make it a bit more democratic thing?06:45
E-Pmaybe the democratic way, because we don't have so many people doing contributions anyway at the moment06:47
l3iE-P: Agree. Maybe later if it seems that we need someone to have a final say, we could have named maintainers too06:47
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E-Pso let's try to agree what we are doing then :)06:48
timophI think we can resolve possible issues without having a dictator06:48
l3itimoph: Hopefully. So let's start agreeing on things :)06:48
timophI'm going for a quick breath of air and I'm ready to start after that :)06:49
timoph(a bit slow day at work today)06:49
E-PI have to be an hour/two away, but I will catch you later06:51
E-Pwe should make a post to mailing list about the tools06:54
Stskeepsperhaps meego-qa, announcing continued work, as well06:55
E-Pgood idea06:56
timophthe thing about the tools now is that we have now more freedom to make changes to them but with more limited time/resources07:00
timophI know at least E-P has a vision of the direction we should go ;)07:00
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E-Ptimoph: I had a vision, now the things are different :)07:02
E-Pbut yeah, same problems and issues we will have07:03
E-Pand lookinig forward to fix those :)07:03
timophmy personal take on it is that as long as we keep things straighforward and simple I'm ok with the tools07:03
E-PI will be couple of hours away07:04
timophfor example I think we should evaluate test-definition and see what thing we really need to be in there07:05
timophE-P: ack07:05
E-Ptimoph: I agree07:05
timophwith the goal of making it more generic07:06
timoph"test execution tools for any (linux)target using any test framework"07:07
timophiirc that was one of the design goals and I'd keep that07:08
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slainemorning all07:38
Stskeepsmorn slaine07:40
Stskeepsslaine: i have time now for any bizarre issues07:40
slainelikely a prj meta issue07:40
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slaineStskeeps: you been traveling ?07:41
Stskeepsslaine: no, just been off the computer and at my mother in laws for easters07:41
slaineI'd the same over the easter weekend, took an extra couple of days to enjoy the kids being off school07:42
slainetotal down time07:42
Stskeepswell, i certainly got to watch a lot of doctor who episodes..07:42
slaineI got to watch lots of Transformers and Clone Wars07:43
Stskeepsok, so, you have a Core:armv7hl project?07:45
iekkuslaine, about the trasnformers...
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slaineStskeeps: yeah, here's the meta xml,
slaineiekku: lol, clearly a decepticon07:56
Stskeepswhere did you linkpac from? Core:armv7hl right?07:56
Stskeeps instead07:57
slaineCool, I knew it was wrong, just wasn't sure how to make it right, thankgs07:59
slainethanks even07:59
Stskeepsit might not work if you're unlucky, in which case, remove <repository> , let it rest a bit, re-add07:59
Stskeepsor simply osc wipebinaries the entire project there07:59
Stskeepslet's see how it reacts :)08:01
slainewill wipe binaries trigger it to rebuild ?08:01
slainecool, was wondering how to do that08:01
Stskeepsanyhow, i'm going to take an hour's nap i think08:01
Stskeepsdidn't sleep too well last night08:01
slainethanks again08:02
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: something is wrong with ping in my system, ping: socket: permission denied08:03
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: yes, sonach said that too08:04
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: i'm a little unsure why that happens08:04
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes, I execute it as root user08:04
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I find a link
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: some logs when mer starts up
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lbtE-P: cobs? I need the account name08:18
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E-Plbt: esmietti08:21
lbtdone - have fun :)08:21
E-Plbt: thank you08:21
E-Pnow having some lunch08:21
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slaineosc wipebinaries <Project> --all08:56
slainethat seemed to do the trick in triggering a project rebuild08:56
lbtStskeeps: just saw the systemd post - that's along the lines of what I asked them about at Prague09:05
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slaineWhen it's all up and running and you stand back and look at your OBS setup churning away at building Mer, it's a beautiful thing :)09:13
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* Sage ponders if galaxy nexus has the same wifi chip than the pandaboard09:22
mdfe__av500_: the image I told you yesterday is sadly broken09:22
mdfe__av500_: but the newer one in same download location is working fine09:23
SageSamsung SWB-B42 BT 4.0 Dual Band Wlan FM Tx/Rx. Chipworks says the module is actually manufactured by Murata, and houses a Broadcom BCM4330 die inside. so apparently not :(09:25
E-Puh, mer wiki works again for me09:26
Stskeepsthe captcha stuff?09:26
Stskeepsyeah, alterego came back and re-ran the captcha images09:27
E-Palterego: thanks ^09:28
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E-PStskeeps: looks good10:36
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harbaumvgrade: I have the c71+ and am willing to run whatever tests you might have a use for?11:18
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Stskeepstimoph: the idea is that the .ks will do it for root, and you can set it up for your user too (eat-add-device-key)11:55
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E-PStskeeps: do you have any bug task for the eat development?12:46
StskeepsE-P: nop, feel free to make one12:46
Stskeepsi'm hoping to finish up a working proto today, or, well, at least before my wife comes home :)12:47
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E-PI am updating the quality wiki, and would be nice to track the status of the tasks12:48
Stskeepshmm, do we have bugzilla plugin in wiki?12:48
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E-Pat least not the 'Bugzilla reports' extension, doesn't recognize the syntax12:51
Stskeepsplease file a task bug for that12:55
Stskeepsvery useful thing12:55
E-Pbtw, should we have something like 'QA Tools' component in mer bugzilla?12:57
Stskeepsmakes sense :)12:57
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E-Pand when you have time, could you create repositories for testrunner-lite and test-definition to mer git?13:08
E-Ptimoph: do we want to call the testrunner-lite as it is or tr-lite?13:08
Stskeepsif .spec name is testrunner-lite, i call it testrunner-lite13:09
E-Pok, let's use that name13:13
timophStskeeps: looks good13:14
E-Pnow I have to go for weekend shopping, see you later13:14
Stskeepshave a good one :)13:14
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lbtfinally ... automated obs install to acl build against MDS ...13:45
lbtI've updated build aswell13:45
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lbtto make the version > suse version13:46
lbtStskeeps: can you check the lbt_master branch in my github for open-build-server and obsbuild13:47
Stskeepsdefine check13:47
lbtwell, I cherry picked your commit that made it upstream but it kinda vanished with some commits of yours I already had13:47
Stskeepsif you can build acl for arm fine, everything's fine13:48
lbti586 firs... and that just finished13:48
StskeepsSage: feature request for 'mic' --$MIC_DEFAULT_USER in %post13:58
alteregoStskeeps: I'll install that plugin a bit later, in a meeting at the moment.14:00
Stskeepsalterego: no worries, just mentioning14:00
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SageStskeeps: $MIC_DEFAULT_USER?14:19
StskeepsSage: yes, what user is the .ks setting up on the image beyond root14:20
StskeepsSage: i'm going to use it to cleanly set up root and user account for automatic tests14:23
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* Stskeeps reads14:44
Stskeepsvilvo's with intel these days wasn't he?14:44
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Stskeeps is how my eat.spec looks atm -- to test-enable, adding 'eat-device' to %packages, and "su -c '/usr/bin/eat-add-device-key' -" to get it into root, and su -c '/usr/bin/eat-add-device-key' - username' for a given user14:47
timophthat presentation was actually the last thing he did as a nokia employee :)14:47
Stskeeps.. and that's it14:47
Stskeepsyeah, i recall14:47
timophlooks a lot cleaner14:47
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Stskeepsand easy to add14:50
Stskeepsi'm actually wondering if test enablers should be in core, but perhaps tests seperately.. but let's see how it works out in practice14:51
timophshould work either way as long as they're in sync with the core14:52
timophso some change doesn't break them14:53
Stskeepsi'm pondering how we can do a 'generic' test target thing, for example with netbooks, we can buy usb ethernet dongles14:54
Stskeeps.. test target setup, on hw adaptation side14:55
Stskeepsthose would show up as usb0, as i recall14:55
Stskeepsor perhaps scripts you can configure to automatically connect to a certain wifi14:55
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timopheasier to start by using wifi since it doesn't require additional hw14:56
timophwell. as long as wifi works :)14:56
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Stskeepsyeah, of course there's annoying things like connectivity tests..14:56
slainewas about to say14:56
slainebroadcom hell14:56
Stskeepstests through serial port? ;)14:57
timophI think we talked about it at some point but dunno if anyone actually ever tried it14:58
Stskeepsor perhaps an area where eat-selftest could be useful15:00
timophalthough it has to be rewritten in a sane way :)15:00
timophand never speak about the original implementation15:00
timophbut yeah. it has it's use case15:01
timophbasically it searched test-definitions from /usr/share/*-tests/tests.xml and executed those with testrunner-lite15:04
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timophbtw, does systemd have something similar to upstart's conditional process launching?15:07
timophsomething like "launch this when that is ready"15:07
timophthat would help a lot with the selftest15:07
Stskeepswell, you can read the proposal from the tizen guys i sent to the mailing list15:08
timophah. seems that I have to catch up on emails :)15:08
* timoph goes to it15:08
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timophthat's pretty much what we want :)15:17
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_av500_mdfe_: yes, broken it is :(15:36
_av500_so, jsut reload it?15:36
_av500_have md5sum?15:36
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lbtthis stuff just takes too long to iterate16:19
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Stskeepslbt: which?16:50
lbtobs-server / build / VM installs / app build16:50
lbtand then I hit something stupid like armv8el scheduler doesn't run16:51
Stskeepsyou don't have it automated, or it just takes time?16:52
lbtjust takes time16:52
lbtand there's a couple of bits I need to tweak ... install pem for osc client16:53
Stskeepsi conquered the sb2 problem btw, got fix from upstream and now it's included16:54
StskeepsSage: i can't admit qt-mobility change, it deps on libqtsparql ?16:56
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Stskeepstimoph: yeah.. we need a eat-install-test-key for host too18:30
Stskeepsssh isn't easy to satisfy :)18:30
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Stskeepswho was it that did testrunner-ui ?18:31
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timophStskeeps: :=18:44
timophaltough I wrote the first version18:45
Stskeepsi noticed it didn't support specifying private key18:45
timophdunno how much actually survived from it :)18:45
timophhmmh. should we use mer bugzilla to track the tools issues?18:46
iekkuthat would be good idea18:46
iekkuso vendors could also see the current state18:47
iekkuword "easily" to some place18:47
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Stskeepsi'm OK with that18:47
Stskeepsfor my sakes you can have Mer QA Tools product18:48
Stskeeps(why did i write meego qa tools first..)18:48
Stskeepsand time-travelled back to when meego was alive18:48
Stskeepslet me know what components we need there18:50
StskeepsE-P: ^ (just for highlight)18:51
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Stskeepstimoph: - just tested against a device with eat-device installed19:10
Stskeepsi'd like to somehow make it possible to input the environment easily for test jobs, though not entirely sure how19:10
Stskeepsie, only way to do it properly might be to prefix everything with eat-env <command> or something19:13
timophyeah. that's how we ended up taking the env from compositor in meego19:13
Stskeepsin which we're sure <command> has the right environment19:13
timophhmmh. this requires a bit of thinking19:14
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Stskeepsyeah, that's why i'm heading to bed now :) too much thinking19:16
Stskeepsat least we're moving in the right direction19:16
timophyeah. I'm sure we'll figure it out19:19
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SageStskeeps: really?21:13
Sageah, disabled but still available for build :P21:14
Sagehmmp... have to recheck that21:15
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SageStskeeps: fixed and submitted to review21:39
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