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| wmarone | time to try something else | 06:17 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps, lbt, Sage: I had to pull newer qt5/qtbase (and lots of others too); I fixed the packaging according to suggestions and added the newly included files to get the current upstream packaged again; current status - building, qtbase succeeded | 07:10 |
| Bostik | changes to spec since review modifications: https://gitorious.org/modular-qt-specwork/modular-qt-specs/commit/f10d968090a4340cd1a0a02f9b6aedf08fc8bada | 07:13 |
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| lbt | morning all | 07:59 |
| Bostik | morning | 07:59 |
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| sage | Bostik: seems good | 08:05 |
| lbt | couple of build failures Bostik | 08:05 |
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| lbt | sonach: ping | 08:06 |
| sonach | lbt: morning! I want to setup a new MerDS OBS, What OS will you recommend me to install, OpenSUSE server or jeos? If OpenSUSE, 12.1 or 11.4? | 08:06 |
| lbt | :) .... exactly why I was pinging you :) | 08:07 |
| sonach | cool:) | 08:07 |
| lbt | Use 11.4 for the moment please - we think 12.1 will be OK in a few weeks but we don't run it yet | 08:07 |
| sonach | OK. And OpenSUSE 11.4 desktop is not suitable? | 08:08 |
| lbt | No, Server or jeos is fine - I tend to use jeos because suse has it's own management tools (yast) which none of our admins understand | 08:08 |
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| lbt | so using minimal jeos means you don't have susefirewall etc to deal with | 08:09 |
| lbt | but you do need to make sure things like ntp and any iptables you need are managed | 08:09 |
| lbt | (I assume this is a completely internal deployment behind a firewall) | 08:10 |
| Bostik | lbt: I know, but at least it's finally getting closer to sane state again | 08:11 |
| sonach | lbt: this OBS is just for internal usage, nothing releated to ntp or iptables. Have you used jeos as one of your server? | 08:12 |
| lbt | Bostik: :) | 08:12 |
| lbt | sonach: yes, I use jeos all the time (and ntp is for time synchronisation which is important) | 08:12 |
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| sonach | lbt: I remember there is a guild on Mer wiki to setup OBS. It seems that it is talking about which based on SUSE. So, what is the link about this? I can not find it for the moment:P | 08:18 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup ? | 08:18 |
| lbt | however - I am working on these packages at the minute because there are some known bugs | 08:18 |
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| lbt | I suggest that you work through the guide but make notes so you are ready to erase the machines and do it again in a couple of days | 08:19 |
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| lbt | if you make notes it should be very quick to rebuild :) | 08:20 |
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| sonach | lbt: "At this point in time, JeOS is meant to run under VMWare Server". But I want to install the OS directly on the hardware, not under VMWare!! | 08:20 |
| lbt | you have one server? | 08:21 |
| sonach | Yes, it is Dell R710, | 08:22 |
| lbt | If I was doing it I would setup kvm and lvm on the physical server and then make VMs for the fe/be machines and then a couple of VMs for the workers | 08:22 |
| lbt | This would make scaling up much easier | 08:22 |
| lbt | Also, you need to run the Mer version of OBS and we don't have an appliance build for that version | 08:23 |
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| sonach | What do you mean by "you need to run the Mer version of OBS and we don't have an appliance build for that version"? | 08:24 |
| lbt | Mer requires the use of scratchbox2 - the version on that wiki page has scratchbox2 built in | 08:25 |
| lbt | (this will soon go upstream) | 08:25 |
| lbt | I wasn't sure if you were using an appliance - sounds like you're not so don't worry about it | 08:26 |
| sonach | lbt: In fact, I don't know what the "appliance" is... My OBS is runing MerDS which can do building and publishing... | 08:30 |
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| lbt | OK - it's not important then | 08:31 |
| sonach | lbt: You mean I should setup scratchbox2 in my OBS in order to run MerDS? | 08:31 |
| lbt | hmm | 08:32 |
| sonach | lbt: but my current OBS is running MerDS can it seems that it is working fine... (BTW, Now I am using the Mer 20120120.1 version, and I will upgrade to Newest Mer on my new OBS server) | 08:32 |
| lbt | So the OBS consists of 3 main areas: web/api, backend and workers | 08:32 |
| sonach | lbt: can --> and | 08:32 |
| lbt | the workers build the code - and they need to setup scratchbox2 for the latest versions of Mer | 08:33 |
| lbt | it's automatic | 08:33 |
| lbt | the backend needs to understand the scratchbox2 configuration values | 08:34 |
| lbt | the setup and configuration for scratchbox2 (sb2) is not yet in the Suse version of OBS | 08:34 |
| lbt | so you need to use the Mer version of OBS | 08:34 |
| lbt | this page http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup tells you how to install it | 08:35 |
| lbt | we expect those changes to go upstream to suse fairly soon | 08:35 |
| sonach | lbt: OK. but the wiki page is based on SUSE 11.4, Not jeos! | 08:36 |
| lbt | mmm "jeos 11.4" | 08:36 |
| sonach | lbt: So I should install SUSE 11.4 server on the physical server, and run several VMs of jeos? | 08:37 |
| lbt | Yes | 08:37 |
| sonach | "jeos 11.4"?? | 08:37 |
| lbt | yes | 08:37 |
| sonach | but the newest jeos is "8.04", see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS | 08:38 |
| lbt | !!!! | 08:38 |
| MerBot | lbt: Error: "!!!" is not a valid command. | 08:38 |
| timoph | :) | 08:38 |
| lbt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_enough_operating_system | 08:38 |
| slaine | sonach: I just setup the same env here and used a minimal install of opensuse 11.4 | 08:38 |
| lbt | jeos is a name used to mean "a minimal version of an OS" | 08:38 |
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| lbt | sonach: sorry, I assumed you were using it in that sense :) | 08:39 |
| slaine | Using the DVD iso, I chose other when given the Gnome/KDE choice, chose minimal install, gives you a small console based install | 08:40 |
| sonach | lbt: sorry, I am lacking knowledge about server:) | 08:40 |
| lbt | sonach: no problem | 08:40 |
| slaine | I've 2 servers like that, 1 beefy as the obs worker, one old, as the web/api and backend combined. This also runs MDS | 08:40 |
| lbt | slaine: that sounds like a good way to setup the physical host | 08:41 |
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| slaine | lbt, yeah, happened by accident. We had to clean up the office for some visitors and I found an old dual Xeon with 2 250GB drives. Wouldn't be great CPU for compiling so thought it'd make a good phost for OBS admin | 08:42 |
| sonach | slaine: After setting up the minimal version of SUSE 11.4 on the physical server, then setup a few VMs, right? | 08:42 |
| slaine | sonach: you can do that, but then it doesn't matter what host os you use on the phost | 08:43 |
| slaine | and i'd argue the newer the os/kernel, the better the performance would be for the VM's | 08:43 |
| slaine | I have 2 physical hosts | 08:43 |
| slaine | one with all the web/ap/backend OBS stuff installed and running and 1 with the obsworker stuff installed and running | 08:44 |
| slaine | s/ap/api/ | 08:44 |
| slaine | sonach: if you're going with a server that's just going to act as a host for a bunch of VM's then I'd go with something like latest Debian or Ubuntu LTS 12.04 beta | 08:45 |
| sonach | slaine: Ah,"one with all the web/ap/backend OBS stuff installed and running", this one doesn't run any VMs? | 08:45 |
| slaine | after all, it's just going to be running the kernel and libvirt stuff | 08:45 |
| slaine | No | 08:45 |
| slaine | I did have the beefy server running with everything on there in VM's and then when I found this other server that needed a home, decided to move to 2 physical installs | 08:46 |
| slaine | The VM setup I had was something like | 08:46 |
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| slaine | Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Beta as phost on a 20GB lvm partition | 08:47 |
| slaine | Fedora 14 (1 CPU, 256MB RAM, 40GB lvm partition on phost) for MDS | 08:47 |
| slaine | Opensuse 11.4 Minimal install (4 CPU, 4GB RAM, 100GB lvm partition on phist) for OBS Worker | 08:48 |
| lbt | sonach: when you scale up to a large and secure build farm, the worker machines can run on bare metal so they can create worker VMs for security and performance. When you start everything can run in a VM. | 08:48 |
| slaine | Opensuse 11.4 Minimal install ( 2 CPU, 4GB RAM, 100 GB lvm partition on phost) for OBS Backend | 08:48 |
| slaine | Opensuse 11.4 Minimal install ( 2 CPU, 2GB RAM, 40 GB lvm partition on phost) for OBS Web/API | 08:49 |
| sonach | slaine: what you are listing above are all VMs running on the same physical host? | 08:49 |
| slaine | Yes, the Ubuntu LTS was the OS that Installed to run all the VM's | 08:50 |
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| slaine | All the VM's used an lvm partition off the drives rather than a drive image hosted on phost's own filesystem | 08:51 |
| sonach | slaine: "Opensuse 11.4 Minimal install (4 CPU, 4GB RAM, 100GB lvm partition on phist) for OBS Worker", but I think 100GB is not enough for OBS workers, since there are 16(??) workers at the same time. | 08:52 |
| lbt | 16 is way too many :) | 08:53 |
| slaine | There's only as many workers process as CPU's on the OBS worker VM | 08:53 |
| lbt | and more important - RAM | 08:53 |
| sonach | lbt: On my current OBS, it is something like 16... | 08:53 |
| slaine | probably because you have 2 4Core Xeons with HT | 08:53 |
| slaine | If the VM is only allocated 4 CPU's then there's only going to be 4 worker instances | 08:54 |
| lbt | how much RAM do you have? | 08:54 |
| lbt | on the physical host? | 08:54 |
| sonach | slaine: you are right, that is it! Now I think I know something about what you said:) | 08:54 |
| slaine | I rebuilt i586 and armv7hl on that worker without issue | 08:54 |
| slaine | sonach: sorry if my descriptions aren't clearn | 08:55 |
| sonach | lbt: the New Server will have 8GB RAM. and the old server is about 2GB or so... | 08:55 |
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| slaine | The hierarch is something like | 08:55 |
| slaine | Physical server running Ubuntu | 08:55 |
| lbt | sonach: 8Gb :( | 08:55 |
| slaine | Ubuntu running KVM instances of | 08:55 |
| slaine | Fedora for MDS | 08:55 |
| slaine | OpenSuse 11.4 for Backend | 08:55 |
| slaine | OpenSuse 11.4 for Frontend | 08:55 |
| sonach | lbt: 8GBytes is not enouth? | 08:55 |
| slaine | OpenSuse 11.4 for Worker | 08:55 |
| lbt | sonach: that should be much higher - you should aim for 24/32Gb | 08:55 |
| lbt | see this: https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor | 08:56 |
| slaine | sonach: mine has 16GB and is coping ok | 08:56 |
| slaine | But I'm thinking of taking it to 32GB when I put this into a production setting | 08:56 |
| lbt | yeah - you'll benefit most from extra RAM | 08:57 |
| lbt | the reason is that I/O is usually the bottleneck for most builds - putting I/O into tmpfs (RAM) gets the best use of $$ | 08:57 |
| sonach | slaine: the Ubuntu running on the physical server should be the SERVER version, not the desktop version ,right? | 08:57 |
| sonach | lbt: I will try to get more RAM:) | 08:58 |
| slaine | sonach: Yeah, but, I had the desktop running | 09:00 |
| slaine | i.e. the main difference is the kernel tip and the software installed | 09:00 |
| slaine | I installed the desktop version but switched the kernel to the server version | 09:00 |
| slaine | My "new" physical host for the web/api/backend needs more ram though. It's only 1Gb and swapping hard. I've 4GB replacement ram coming, hopefully today. | 09:01 |
| lbt | for my production systems I run amd64 | 09:03 |
| lbt | it may well be worth running 32bit OS for the fe as ruby uses lots of RAM and should benefit from smaller pointers | 09:03 |
| lbt | I've not tried this but if you can't get the RAM .. maybe worth it | 09:04 |
| slaine | The RAM is on it's way, i'd rather have the RAM and 64bit | 09:04 |
| slaine | only cost €40 or something | 09:05 |
| lbt | *nod* ... just mentioning it if you're stuck with a small machine | 09:05 |
| slaine | nod | 09:06 |
| slaine | hopefully that'll arrive today actually | 09:06 |
| slaine | then I'll kick off a full rebuild | 09:06 |
| lbt | I'm pushing new packages to :Devel by the way | 09:06 |
| slaine | Oh, anything you want me to test ? | 09:06 |
| lbt | I've hit some irritating bugs in the frontend that I'm working on | 09:06 |
| lbt | I'll yell :) | 09:07 |
| slaine | I could do a reinstall of the server as part of the RAM upgrade process | 09:07 |
| slaine | It's good practice for me and helpful for you | 09:07 |
| lbt | right now it builds packages using MDS but the build results don't appear in the webui :/ | 09:07 |
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| sonach | slaine: ON you installation, only 300GB disk is used? (Ubuntu host 20GB, Fedora MerDS 40GB, Worker 100GB, backend 100GB, 40GB frontend) | 09:16 |
| slaine | Right, so the drives are setup as follows via the Ubuntu installation | 09:17 |
| slaine | Formatted as RAID-0 for speed not for reliability. | 09:18 |
| slaine | Well, actually, I think I made 3 partitions per drive | 09:18 |
| slaine | 1 RAID-1, for /boot, 1 SWAP and 1 RAID-0 | 09:19 |
| slaine | the RAID-0 was formatted as a LVM, I created a Group on there called buildhost. | 09:19 |
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| slaine | Under the buildhost group I created a volume called phost of 20GB, and install ubuntu onto that. | 09:20 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 09:20 |
| slaine | After the installation was finished and the os was up and running and fully updated | 09:20 |
| slaine | I then created some other volumes under the "buildhost" group for each of the VM's | 09:21 |
| slaine | obsfe_vm, obsbe_vm, obsworker_vm etc. | 09:21 |
| mdfe_ | Sage_: ping | 09:22 |
| Sage_ | mdfe_: pong | 09:22 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 09:22 |
| Sage_ | sry for the lag :) | 09:22 |
| sledges | trip0, yes, MeeGo 1.2 IVI update | 09:22 |
| mdfe_ | Sage_: do you have time to disable and enable again the building flags of repositories from CE:MW:PlasmaActive CE:Utils projects? | 09:24 |
| slaine | sonach: Oh, I also had to make the network device under ubuntu be a bridge device, so that all the VM's could share the ethernet port and get on my network properly | 09:24 |
| Sage_ | mdfe_: why do you need that? | 09:24 |
| mdfe_ | Sage_: I like to build a armv7l mer pre-release image and some build are stuck | 09:24 |
| Sage_ | ah, so only rebuild --failed is needed | 09:25 |
| slaine | Actually, if you look here, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_OBS_VM_Setup_Guide and look at the "Buildhost VM Server" part, you'll get an idea | 09:25 |
| mdfe_ | cool | 09:25 |
| slaine | You should follow lb.'s OBS Setup guide for the actual setup of the VM's though/. | 09:25 |
| Sage_ | $ obs-community rebuild --failed CE:Utils | 09:26 |
| Sage_ | ok | 09:26 |
| sonach | slaine: Do you have many drivers? I only have 2 1TB Sata and plan to make a RAID-0. | 09:26 |
| Sage_ | mdfe_: done | 09:26 |
| mdfe_ | great thanks Sage_ | 09:26 |
| slaine | sonach: I only had 2 250GB drives | 09:26 |
| mdfe_ | Sage_: Whats about the fuse submit request? | 09:26 |
| slaine | that's enough for my needs | 09:26 |
| Sage_ | mdfe_: resend it | 09:27 |
| sonach | slaine: "I made 3 partitions per drive", so you only have two drives, one have three partitions? | 09:27 |
| Sage_ | mdfe_: and tell when done | 09:27 |
| mdfe_ | ack | 09:28 |
| Sage_ | accepted :) | 09:28 |
| mdfe_ | awesome :))) | 09:29 |
| sonach | slaine: Very good VM_Setup_Guide. I will read it carefully first:) | 09:30 |
| sonach | slaine: And I think it will take me several days to setup the similar env:) | 09:31 |
| lbt | smoku: ping | 09:35 |
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| slaine | sonach: first time around is a learning experience. I suggest you schedule time to do it more than once, helps you become familiar with the process and more comfortable. | 09:46 |
| sonach | slaine: OK, good advice! | 09:47 |
| slaine | that's what I've been doing over the last couple of weeks | 09:48 |
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| sonach | slaine: cool:) | 10:02 |
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| harbaum | oh, wow ... pa is really eating memory. it's bascially unusable on the 256mb beagle atm ... | 10:29 |
| sledges | is a heavy beast indeed, experienced on imx53 as well, harbaum ... | 10:30 |
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| sledges | ref: http://www.mail-archive.com/active@kde.org/msg00099.html | 10:32 |
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| lbt | ? | 11:19 |
| lbt | really? | 11:19 |
| Sage_ | https://github.com/openSUSE/zypper/commit/9292ece273d0cec5b31d0bea232df0701a938511 | 11:21 |
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| Sage_ | I have it packaged already however I'm seeing strange lib dependency in zypper | 11:22 |
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| lbt | oh - I thought someone had gotten aptitude's frontend to work with zypper backend :/ | 11:24 |
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| smoku | lbt: http://apt-rpm.org/ ? | 11:29 |
| lbt | smoku: aha ... | 11:30 |
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| lbt | smoku: msg'ed you | 11:35 |
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| slaine | waiting for ram delivery == frustrating | 11:43 |
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| sledges | fellows: "out of captcha images; this shouldn't happen" : http://wiki.merproject.org/index.php?title=Platform_SDK&action=edit§ion=25 :) | 14:20 |
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| timoph | sledges: yeah. I though alterego fixed that | 14:24 |
| timoph | lbt: ^ | 14:24 |
| sledges | !seen alterego | 14:24 |
| MerBot | sledges: alterego was last seen in #mer 1 week, 1 day, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <alterego> Heh | 14:24 |
| sledges | 8) | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | he's in france | 14:24 |
| lbt | sledges: it only happens when you write a url | 14:25 |
| sledges | !whereis alterego :) | 14:25 |
| MerBot | sledges: Error: "whereis" is not a valid command. | 14:25 |
| sledges | lbt, happened when I submitted changes to Platform SDK page.. | 14:25 |
| lbt | did you add a url ? | 14:25 |
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| sledges | lol yes, understood lbt .. | 14:26 |
| sledges | url to minutes | 14:26 |
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| lbt | *nod* ... wasn't sure if it would barf for already existing urls - eg if you just edited a typo | 14:27 |
| sledges | can't tell that for now | 14:28 |
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| lbt | grumble ... obscure runtime dependencies in apache/ruby/obs | 16:44 |
| sledges | the nastiest ones always sneak in :) | 16:53 |
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| trip0 | Stskeeps, ping | 17:14 |
| trip0 | lbt, what's my target repo if I want to build against mer-core? | 17:17 |
| trip0 | (background, I'm building a package on cobs. need to add target repos.) | 17:18 |
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| lbt | what arch? | 17:22 |
| lbt | eg Mer_Core_i486 is <path repository="Core_i486" project="Mer.MDS:Core:i486"/> | 17:23 |
| lbt | trip0: ^ | 17:23 |
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| * trip0 doesn't understand why there are arch specific projects | 17:45 | |
| trip0 | ie, in Mer.MDS:Core:i486, there are arm7el builds available | 17:46 |
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| trip0 | lbt, i want to build for all archs | 17:47 |
| lbt | trip0: the armv7el in 486 is due to some cross-compile requirements | 17:48 |
| lbt | to build against multiple archs simply add multiple repos | 17:49 |
| trip0 | hmm | 17:49 |
| trip0 | the only Mer.MDS:Core:i486 i see is home:lbt:branches:Mer.MDS:Core:i486 | 17:50 |
| lbt | yep | 17:50 |
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| lbt | we used to use Mer.fake | 17:50 |
| lbt | which is slightly deprecated | 17:50 |
| trip0 | so I build against your branch? | 17:51 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/meta?project=home%3Albt%3Abranches%3AMer.MDS%3ACore%3Ai486 | 17:52 |
| lbt | no | 17:52 |
| lbt | set your project up like that ^ | 17:52 |
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| lbt | trip0: working? | 17:56 |
| trip0 | I can't find any project named Mer.MDS:Core:armv7hl | 17:56 |
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| lbt | you can't browse to them as they're not built on c.obs | 17:57 |
| lbt | edit : https://build.pub.meego.com/project/meta?project=home%3Atripzero | 17:58 |
| trip0 | ahh | 17:58 |
| lbt | you should be able to do it by selecting the repo but I'm not 100% sure that works :) | 17:58 |
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| lbt | I know it could be easier | 17:58 |
| lbt | right now I'm having a nightmare hacking on apache/ruby stuff so :/ | 17:59 |
| trip0 | yay | 17:59 |
| lbt | :) | 17:59 |
| trip0 | i didn't know you could edit the meta file | 17:59 |
| trip0 | lol | 17:59 |
| lbt | sadly sometimes it seems the easiest way | 18:00 |
| trip0 | hmm | 18:01 |
| trip0 | getbinaries: missing packages: libqttest4 | 18:01 |
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| trip0 | interesting... i'm not explicitly bringing in qttest | 18:01 |
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| trip0 | oh, that's only on the i586 repo | 18:04 |
| trip0 | the others seem happy | 18:04 |
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| trip0 | hmmm | 18:16 |
| trip0 | editing the spec from the web interface is kinda hokey | 18:17 |
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| vgrade | some Tizen arm dev, http://pastebin.com/LevJWVHF | 21:39 |
| * CosmoHill is getting a Raspberry Pi | 21:41 | |
| vgrade | CosmoHill, cool, what are you planning for it? | 21:41 |
| CosmoHill | no idea | 21:41 |
| CosmoHill | dad's getting it for my birthday | 21:41 |
| vgrade | hows the new job | 21:42 |
| CosmoHill | I start on tuesday | 21:42 |
| CosmoHill | I got some kinda 24 hour bug on monday which sucked | 21:42 |
| vgrade | ah ok, | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | ill + S.A.D = bad times | 21:43 |
| vgrade | you have a few days to recover | 21:44 |
| CosmoHill | I think I'm fine now which is nice :) | 21:44 |
| CosmoHill | I was panicking and stuff monday | 21:45 |
| vgrade | is the job local | 21:48 |
| CosmoHill | 14 miles away or something | 21:48 |
| CosmoHill | took me 25 mins to drive there | 21:48 |
| CosmoHill | and that was when i overshot | 21:48 |
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| vgrade | not too bad, I've been doing that sort of commute for 20 years | 21:49 |
| vgrade | but changed jobs recently so will be starting a longer commute (45mins) soon | 21:50 |
| CosmoHill | if my car breaks down it's next to a garage | 21:50 |
| CosmoHill | I've been doing work exp locally which has been good | 21:53 |
| CosmoHill | helps with confidence and health cos I'm biking 8 miles a day | 21:53 |
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| CosmoHill | on my cv it meantions that I've done C and C++ and he asked what they were | 21:58 |
| vgrade | can't remember the last interview I had, those things used to get me worked up | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | for some reason I seem to be going towards web jobs | 22:01 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas va | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: * | 22:35 |
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