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| E-P | Morning | 05:28 |
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| RaYmAn | welcome =P | 07:46 |
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| iekku | or snow melting... | 07:50 |
| lbt | morning all | 07:50 |
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| lbt | bloody noisy though! | 07:50 |
| mdfe | good morning | 07:55 |
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| Bostik | oh bugger, what is going on in qt5 upstream... | 09:21 |
| Bostik | I really need to rewrite the helper :/ | 09:21 |
| slaine | anyone use any LCD panels on their servers | 09:26 |
| slaine | The old server I found that I've setup as my OBS box has one and I'm thinking of installing something on there. | 09:27 |
| Bostik | I've been toying around with the idea of buying a Lilliput monitor for my server | 09:27 |
| slaine | I used LCDProc in a previous life | 09:27 |
| slaine | but it's not in the OpenSuse repo's | 09:27 |
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| Bostik | since I have a small rack at home, I could install the monitor to a swiveling "panel" and keep it out of the way when not needed | 09:28 |
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| Sage | lbt: RE meeting at what time? | 09:50 |
| lbt | 2hr10? | 09:50 |
| lbt | The QA meeting is in 1hr10 I think - iekku? E-P ? | 09:51 |
| E-P | that's right | 09:51 |
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| E-P | I have a meeting before that, but I try to be on time | 09:52 |
| Sage | umm... hmp | 09:52 |
| Sage | Nemo meeting was supposed to be UTC 11:00 | 09:52 |
| E-P | should that be on the odd weeks? | 09:52 |
| Sage | ah, true | 09:53 |
| Sage | yes next week :D | 09:53 |
| E-P | huh, don't scare me | 09:53 |
| lbt | *g* | 09:53 |
| lbt | we should switch from meetings being scheduled in UTC to UTC/BST | 09:55 |
| Sage | BST? | 09:56 |
| lbt | british summer time | 09:56 |
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| lbt | == UTC normally | 09:56 |
| Sage | isn't UTC then just clearer it doesn't change ever? | 09:57 |
| lbt | I'd rather know it's at 12noon every monday (except 2 week in the year maybe) | 09:58 |
| lbt | people will have personal calendars which are almost always local-time | 09:59 |
| lbt | so to have the meetings move is a PITA | 09:59 |
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| iekku | lbt, thanks for reminding | 10:15 |
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| lbt | np | 10:15 |
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| E-P | reminder, initial QA meeting in 2mins at #mer-meeting | 10:58 |
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| harbaum | vgrade: ping | 11:04 |
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| lbt | QA meeting | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | 4 | 11:10 |
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| vgrade | harbaum, \o | 12:07 |
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| E-P | hm.. I cannot edit the Mer wiki: "out of captcha images; this shouldn't happen" | 12:16 |
| harbaum | vgrade: Buy recommendationfor the 1G C71? | 12:18 |
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| timoph | E-P: had to go somewhere in a hurry.. had nothing to add though :) | 12:25 |
| E-P | timoph: no problem, we can continue the discussion here and in the mailing list | 12:26 |
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| E-P | has anyone else problems with mer wiki? | 12:39 |
| vgrade | harbaum, not yet, still waiting for kernel | 12:40 |
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| lbt | E-P: are you logged in? | 12:45 |
| E-P | lbt: yes, I can edit the page but unable to save | 12:46 |
| lbt | hmm, I can: http://wiki.merproject.org/index.php?title=Mer_OBS_Build&action=history | 12:47 |
| lbt | E-P: the wiki's not yet on the Mer infra so I can't look at it | 12:48 |
| lbt | can ping alterego when he's about | 12:48 |
| E-P | hmm.. now I was able to edit my user page | 12:48 |
| E-P | but not the Quality page | 12:49 |
| E-P | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Quality | 12:49 |
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| lbt | I can :( | 12:50 |
| E-P | weird | 12:50 |
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| lbt | I can't see anything like a block | 12:51 |
| lbt | cookie flush? | 12:52 |
| lbt | or pastebin and I'll paste it for you | 12:52 |
| E-P | I logged out, back in, restarted the firefox, removed cookies and still the same. I will try some other browser | 12:54 |
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| E-P | so if I try to add url, it will show the error | 12:57 |
| lbt | ah | 12:57 |
| E-P | lbt: try to add this to Quality meetings: * [http://mer.bfst.de/meetings/mer-meeting/2012/mer-meeting.2012-04-03-11.00.html Meeting minutes 2012-04-03] | 12:58 |
| lbt | :/ | 12:58 |
| lbt | It could be because I'm a special user | 12:59 |
| E-P | thanks | 12:59 |
| E-P | yes, I read that error is related to spam detection | 13:00 |
| lbt | makes sense | 13:00 |
| lbt | so we need a way to upgrade users | 13:00 |
| lbt | well, "migrate wiki" is on the list :) | 13:01 |
| lbt | but honestly I'd rather work on the CI automation | 13:01 |
| E-P | i have to study a bit more how the boss works | 13:03 |
| lbt | well, ask me | 13:03 |
| E-P | you can be sure that I will :) | 13:04 |
| lbt | http://workflowpatterns.com/patterns/control/advanced_branching/wcp7_animation.php | 13:04 |
| E-P | how valid are the documents in the MeeGo wiki? | 13:06 |
| lbt | pretty reasonable | 13:06 |
| lbt | http://autodoc.meego.com/mint/boss-standard-workflow/ | 13:06 |
| E-P | thanks | 13:07 |
| lbt | are you planning on deploying it? | 13:07 |
| E-P | not yet at least, just trying to get better overview how it works | 13:08 |
| E-P | and how it is connected to current review process | 13:08 |
| lbt | OK - but be aware that you don't study gcc code to see how to debug Qt | 13:09 |
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| lbt | BOSS runs processes - they're practically code in their own right | 13:10 |
| lbt | so the fact that boss uses AMQP for messaging ... not really important at that level | 13:10 |
| E-P | nod | 13:10 |
| lbt | so if you want to *use* BOSS... then you need to know what it is capable of | 13:11 |
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| lbt | read this - http://autodoc.meego.com/boss/process-store/CE/SRCSRV_REQUEST_CREATE.CE.pdef | 13:12 |
| lbt | don't try to fully understand it - just scan it | 13:12 |
| lbt | almost every command starting do_* is a python script | 13:12 |
| lbt | erm | 13:13 |
| lbt | almost every command *not* starting do_* is a python script | 13:13 |
| lbt | the do_* are like function calls (subprocesses) | 13:13 |
| E-P | ok | 13:14 |
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| E-P | I will look it later, now I have to go. Thanks | 13:14 |
| lbt | that is the Nemo process - totally differnent from the Mer one | 13:14 |
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| lbt | OK .... l8r | 13:14 |
| E-P | cya | 13:15 |
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| sledges | hi | 14:16 |
| sledges | is it possible to run MeeGo IVI on beagleboard (i.e. recompile for arm..) | 14:16 |
| sledges | ? | 14:16 |
| harbaum | i did that ages ago | 14:17 |
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| slaine | Hey CosmoHill, long time no see | 14:24 |
| CosmoHill | hey man | 14:24 |
| CosmoHill | spotted you yesterday but didn't say anything | 14:24 |
| slaine | you mean you blanked me !!!! | 14:24 |
| slaine | that's the height of rudeness | 14:24 |
| CosmoHill | at least I made the effort instead of using /ignore :p | 14:25 |
| slaine | lol | 14:27 |
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| sledges | harbaum, could you please confirm there will be any difficulties apart from just doing: "sudo TYPE=ivi ./build_image.sh" from http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Beagleboard_from_scratch#Assembly_of_the_root_file_system (note the page says: May 31st 2011: The instructions on this page don't work anymore! )... | 14:57 |
| sledges | would be nice to be able to build MeeGo IVI for ARM using Mer SDK ;) just need the right .ks I guess.. | 14:57 |
| harbaum | i don't know, haven't tried for ages | 14:57 |
| vgrade | sledges, what do you mean by MeeGo IVI? | 14:58 |
| harbaum | someone might instead try to get the ivi components to run on mer. but that's a different story | 14:59 |
| sledges | http://wiki.meego.com/IVI | 14:59 |
| sledges | loads of loose-end-patching I guess, harbaum | 14:59 |
| harbaum | if you just want to run it once, then you might use one of my old image swhich should still be available somewhere | 14:59 |
| vgrade | sledges, the IVI project is not now based on the IVI qml based UI, they changed over to xcfe sometime ago due to performace issues with the QML UX | 15:00 |
| harbaum | really? the ivi stuff is still alive? | 15:01 |
| vgrade | you would need to bring the latest packages over from MeeGo.com OBS and buld them against Mer | 15:01 |
| sledges | I see, vgrade. Well, we are just trying to put up IVI on BeagleBoard for demo purposes.. and since it's Genivi compliant; can't wait really for anything new to come up in the market (SteelRat etc.) | 15:01 |
| harbaum | that would acually be nice, the ivi ux had pretty low hw requirements and may indeed allo for some nice simple uxs for home automation or whatever | 15:02 |
| vgrade | harbaum, yes, will be for ages yet. Not in any way going forwards but maintanence releases. There was one a couplr of weeks ago | 15:02 |
| * sledges seconds harbaum , really still alive? | 15:02 | |
| harbaum | this should still work: http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/beagleboard/meego.outdated/mg_ivi_beagle_sd2gb_20110318.img.gz | 15:03 |
| sledges | same like MeeGo on my NetBook - got Adobe Flash 11.2 update recently :) | 15:03 |
| vgrade | sledges, harbaum, https://meego.com/downloads/releases/updates/meego-v1.2.0.6-ivi-update | 15:06 |
| sledges | harbaum, brilliant finding, will try right away for a smoke test. even .ks files (broken/dead links, but something to hook onto) | 15:06 |
| harbaum | sledges: not so difficult to find as i placed it there myself | 15:06 |
| sledges | :) thank you | 15:07 |
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| sledges | Has anyone used MeeGo IVI on Congatec (Intel's Russellville) board? It heats up bad, that MeeGo's crashing. Wonder if HW heat-related issue, or updates might have fixed it (as per vgrade , harbaum conversation) ?.. | 15:37 |
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| dm8tbr | Sage: your cable is mostly done | 16:34 |
| dm8tbr | it's ugly as hell, but should do the job | 16:34 |
| dm8tbr | all that is missing now is the 680k resistor and a level shifter | 16:38 |
| Sage | dm8tbr: very nice! | 16:39 |
| dm8tbr | let me snap a picture... | 16:40 |
| Sage | if it works I prolly need to buy you a beer or something :P | 16:40 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: http://www.bfst.de/20120403_018.jpg | 16:43 |
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| Sage | dm8tbr: if it works it is perfect and that is the only thing I care about :) | 16:46 |
| dm8tbr | the two red wires are ID and GND | 16:47 |
| dm8tbr | and you'll have to be careful when removing the connector. it's now quite a tight fit and not easy to grab, but I have an idea for that. tie some thin yarn around the rightmost metal bit, then you can yank it out using the yarn | 16:48 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: you could do me a favour. can you fork and rebuild the gen9 kernel on COBS? the only change is in the kernel config. | 16:50 |
| dm8tbr | 15:49:34< av500> CONFIG_ARCHOS_UART3_ON_DPDM | 16:50 |
| dm8tbr | then I could try and test that cable on my gen9 before I hand it to you | 16:51 |
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| Sage | dm8tbr: sure I can do that. I just have couple of things first but I'll do it today sure | 16:55 |
| dm8tbr | no hurry, tomorrow is still enough :) | 16:55 |
| dm8tbr | let me check if we have a 620k here at the club | 16:56 |
| dm8tbr | bingo, improvised 616k, that should be close enough :) | 17:01 |
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| dm8tbr | Sage: done, added resistor. do you have 'real RS232C' or some usb2serial converters? if so I'll rig it with a RS232C port at the end of the cable | 17:10 |
| dm8tbr | http://www.bfst.de/20120403_021.jpg | 17:10 |
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| Sage | dm8tbr: well only thing I have is usb2serial adapter, not sure actually what you mean with that | 17:20 |
| Sage | I think I have this one http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-rs232-cable-622 :) | 17:22 |
| dm8tbr | http://www.bfst.de/20120403_022.jpg with kimju's help it now looks totally brofeshunul! :) | 17:26 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: sounds good. I'll try to fit it with a level shifter | 17:27 |
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| trip0 | vgrade, has awesomeness? | 17:45 |
| trip0 | sledges, meego 1.2 IVI update? | 17:46 |
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| Anssi138 | http://indiegames.com/2012/04/linux_tycoon_a_linux_distro_bu.html | 17:58 |
| bigbluehat | Stskeeps: you know about wetab.mobi, I'd guess | 18:02 |
| bigbluehat | Anssi138: fabulous :) | 18:03 |
| Anssi138 | indeed | 18:05 |
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| trip0 | where is mer's obs? | 18:13 |
| trip0 | and how do i get an account if i don't have one? | 18:13 |
| vgrade | trip0, what are you planning for Mer OBS? | 18:21 |
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| trip0 | add a package | 18:21 |
| vgrade | to Mer core? | 18:21 |
| trip0 | yes | 18:22 |
| trip0 | sounds like a good place | 18:22 |
| vgrade | not sure of the process, but get the package building on c.obs then ping Stskeeps | 18:22 |
| trip0 | url? | 18:23 |
| vgrade | for c.obs? | 18:23 |
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| trip0 | yeh | 18:23 |
| vgrade | 518057 | 18:23 |
| vgrade | woops :) | 18:24 |
| vgrade | https://build.pub.meego.com/ | 18:24 |
| trip0 | w00t | 18:24 |
| trip0 | i already have an account there | 18:24 |
| vgrade | ping lbt, for a login | 18:24 |
| trip0 | vgrade, how's progress on the 1m kernel? | 18:25 |
| vgrade | trip0, your all sorted then. still waiting, its qing ming this week so things are quiet | 18:26 |
| trip0 | ahh | 18:27 |
| trip0 | so you are working with some folks in PRC on the kernel? | 18:27 |
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| vgrade | yes | 18:29 |
| lbt | so all well? | 18:29 |
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| vgrade | lbt, hey, | 18:30 |
| vgrade | Alison_Chaiken, hi | 18:30 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Hey, vgrade. | 18:30 |
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| jbos | hi guys | 19:23 |
| jbos | i was just chatting with lbt, ... I do have a mixed feeling about mer project setup on community obs, | 19:24 |
| jbos | so what I heared and see is that currently mer makes an update and all dependencies have to go with and fix... (yep there is next, but its not a real solution...) | 19:25 |
| lbt | so you want to be able to build against a named release? | 19:26 |
| jbos | so as a app / dependency it would be awesome to build against a fixed / named release... | 19:26 |
| jbos | but this would implicity cause always lot of changes (to set up a new project) maybe other dependencies of yours do not build against it .... y know | 19:27 |
| lbt | right ... so that's kind of doable | 19:27 |
| lbt | we (well Stskeeps mainly) is rewriting the MDS to make this more efficient | 19:28 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3722758 | 19:28 |
| lbt | that is the mappings file - currently it's done at the file level | 19:29 |
| lbt | we're moving to better git-based handling | 19:29 |
| lbt | which will be much better at doing this | 19:29 |
| jbos | so you would setup a revision ? | 19:29 |
| lbt | mmm | 19:30 |
| lbt | MDS stores everything in git | 19:30 |
| lbt | we tag a collection of sha1s with the release tag | 19:30 |
| lbt | so given a release value we can get anything back | 19:30 |
| lbt | but this is currently not used | 19:32 |
| lbt | so we have a checkout of each tag in a directory :/ | 19:32 |
| lbt | this is not easy to maintain | 19:33 |
| lbt | so jbos when we have a request for a named release, we can do that | 19:33 |
| jbos | m. well currently its only me in person here :) not for a project. But maybe mdfe is looking for such. | 19:34 |
| lbt | I would expect to have something static for any vendor who wanted one | 19:35 |
| lbt | right now it's pretty trivial to do but just a bit ungainly | 19:35 |
| lbt | and, fwiw, it's easy to do with your own OBS too | 19:36 |
| jbos | sure, mhm I just wonder, do you only tag releases or branch out? | 19:37 |
| jbos | to handle specific patches | 19:37 |
| jbos | since y'know its always the same that people / vendors want to stay "stable" on a release . until there is a bug - which is fixed in a newer release... but this newer release causes 15 other bugs... | 19:39 |
| lbt | *nod* | 19:39 |
| jbos | since person/vendor made some workarounds | 19:39 |
| lbt | we have a mechanism to support branches but haven't yet used it | 19:39 |
| lbt | jbos: don't forget that a lot of the low level thinking and design comes from MeeGo/Nokia - we expect to support branches and we expect vendors to need to support private branches | 19:42 |
| jbos | yep, | 19:42 |
| jbos | It's not a sort of critisim or so, just playing a "what would be when" game :) | 19:43 |
| lbt | criticism is fine - we all miss things or make mistakes | 19:44 |
| jbos | so I think its at least good practice to branch out on release (even if you dont use the branch), so doing this always as part of the process will at least make it more clear that you can do it :) | 19:45 |
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| vgrade | lbt, interesting spam on the ml :) | 19:48 |
| lbt | really? | 19:48 |
| vgrade | well, dressed up as a user who can't unsubscribe | 19:49 |
| lbt | hehe | 19:51 |
| lbt | the irony of the username... | 19:51 |
| lbt | "securisolvit" | 19:52 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: pin | 20:12 |
| lbt | or needle, don't mind | 20:12 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: pon | 20:15 |
| lbt | do you run the mail server? | 20:15 |
| dm8tbr | for the ML? no | 20:16 |
| lbt | rats - who does? I can't find a reference | 20:16 |
| dm8tbr | IIRC smoku runs the ML | 20:16 |
| lbt | ah - ye | 20:17 |
| lbt | s | 20:17 |
| dm8tbr | he's offline on XMPP since 90min though | 20:17 |
| lbt | I'll have to ping him to remove the abusive user | 20:19 |
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| wmarone | is it possible to purge all published repositories? | 20:20 |
| lbt | wipebinaries? | 20:20 |
| lbt | an osc command | 20:21 |
| wmarone | ok | 20:21 |
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| Sage | dm8tbr: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kernel-adaptation-archos-gen9&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AProject%3AKDE%3AMer_Extras%3AAdaptation%3AArchos-gen9 | 21:06 |
| Sage | building | 21:06 |
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