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| E-P | Morning | 05:30 |
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| Stskeeps | morn E-P | 05:31 |
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| E-P | er, what is this: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Diet_program_and_Excessive_fat_Burn | 05:48 |
| E-P | I searched a work "quality", and one result was that :) | 05:49 |
| Bostik | lovely spam, wonderful spam... | 05:51 |
| E-P | actually, lots of spam: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Special:Deadendpages | 05:52 |
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| vgrade | morniing | 06:05 |
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| xucdsp_ | hello everyone,i find the examples in connman source code is written in python, but i want to use connman in my c++ program,could you help me? | 06:44 |
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| xucdsp_ | or are there any document of c api of connman? | 06:49 |
| xucdsp_ | by the way, i am a member of sonach's team | 06:55 |
| arfoll | xucdsp_: you probably should be use the dbus api of connman | 06:56 |
| Bostik | c api? I thought connman was exposed over dbus | 06:56 |
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| arfoll | xucdsp_: http://wiki.meego.com/D-Bus/ConnMan | 06:56 |
| xucdsp_ | shoud i use dbus to control connman? | 06:57 |
| arfoll | yes | 06:58 |
| xucdsp_ | oh thanks, i'll read this doc first~ | 06:58 |
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| jukkaeklund | marquiz, hi | 07:10 |
| marquiz | hello | 07:10 |
| marquiz | what's on your mind? ;) | 07:11 |
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| jukkaeklund | yeah, meant to ask what is the correct way of removing moslo from n9? | 07:12 |
| jukkaeklund | now we have just re-flash whole thing in wiki page | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | xucdsp_: any examples that exist out there for connman with dbus under C (glib) should be good | 07:13 |
| jukkaeklund | wrong channel, I know.. hope they don't kick me :p | 07:13 |
| xucdsp_ | yes, document get me confused... | 07:15 |
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| Stskeeps | xucdsp_: is your C++_app Qt-based or not? | 07:17 |
| xucdsp_ | not qt-based~ | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:17 |
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| slaine | morning all | 07:19 |
| jukkaeklund | marquiz, see above | 07:20 |
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| ahma | lo | 07:21 |
| Bostik | morning | 07:21 |
| ahma | back from my well ear..spent vacation | 07:21 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: did you slay the openid beast? | 07:21 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: nope, had no time on weekend and certainly no time yesterday :( | 07:21 |
| Bostik | when it's not work issuing demands, it's the family | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | sure, just checking up status | 07:22 |
| Bostik | once I get my hands free from current burden, I'll try again | 07:22 |
| slaine | Bostik: I'm in a similar position | 07:23 |
| slaine | with regards demands | 07:23 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps: it might be reasonable to wait with qtbase integration in any case, the most recent release list mails indicate they're going to freeze qtbase (or at least one branch) for Qt5-alpha-real in very near future | 07:26 |
| Bostik | as in days | 07:26 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | eglibc is proving a bigger headache than intended, but should yield a lot of improvements | 07:26 |
| niqt | vgrade: has mer x86 (for plasma) fix wifi problem ( i see your twit for vivaldi) ? | 07:27 |
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| Bostik | ahma: I'll nudge you up to speed with specworks tomorow afternoon... I hope | 07:27 |
| Bostik | took over for a while and did some minor cleanups | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: i think we should put things to review early anyway, doesn't have to be today, sage's off :P | 07:28 |
| Bostik | excellent | 07:28 |
| Bostik | I have a deeply technical spec to read and digest :) | 07:28 |
| ahma | Bostik: nice | 07:29 |
| ahma | minor or "minor"? :) | 07:29 |
| Bostik | minor, mostly | 07:29 |
| Bostik | just check my git repo for commits | 07:29 |
| ahma | I'll do that | 07:30 |
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| * Stskeeps waits for tizen conference mails | 07:36 | |
| timoph | sent a proposal? | 07:36 |
| timoph | you should redo the tranparency talk there | 07:37 |
| * timoph liked that | 07:37 | |
| timoph | and good morning | 07:37 |
| marquiz | jukkaeklund: there's no use in flashing moslo to n9 | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: i proposed one on cross compilation | 07:40 |
| jukkaeklund | marquiz, yeah.. my bad I did that | 07:40 |
| marquiz | jukkaeklund: but, if you've (for some reason) flashed it (to the moslo partition), you can remove it in similar way as for n90 | 07:40 |
| marquiz | n950, that is | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: if i had to do the transparency talk for tizen, it'd right now be "what transparency? | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:40 |
| slaine | hehe | 07:41 |
| marquiz | jukkaeklund: one thing that is missing is how to remove the Nemo partition, too (without re-flashing) | 07:41 |
| jukkaeklund | yep | 07:41 |
| jukkaeklund | so flash with -L and empty .img? | 07:41 |
| marquiz | jukkaeklund: one can do that from moslo console (by telneting in), but no instructions, yet | 07:41 |
| marquiz | jukkaeklund: yeah, flash empty.img with -L | 07:42 |
| jukkaeklund | our wiki would benefit from instructions how to remove the altos partition | 07:42 |
| marquiz | jukkaeklund: true, i could write initial instructions today (evening) | 07:42 |
| marquiz | jukkaeklund: there's a nice command, already (but that has to be run from the telnet console) | 07:43 |
| jukkaeklund | thats nice, send to me or put straight to wiki :) | 07:43 |
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| marquiz | jukkaeklung i don't remember that out of my head ;) | 07:43 |
| marquiz | jukkaeklund: well, telnet in the device | 07:44 |
| marquiz | and run autopartition.sh | 07:44 |
| marquiz | jukkaeklund: that is, see it's help | 07:46 |
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| * Stskeeps is looking forward to getting closer to linaro's toolchain | 07:51 | |
| Stskeeps | less surprises in toolchain bugs | 07:51 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: :D | 07:58 |
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| Joye | help | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | Joye: no need to say help, just ask your question :) | 08:09 |
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| Joye | sorry, type wrong command. new for irc | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, it's okay :) | 08:11 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i think we're OK for a prerelease | 08:25 |
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| sonach | 恩，这个问题别人可能没法真回答。。。如果有具体问题就好了：） 对了，你问的是Stskeeps吗？ | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, my babelfish must be malfunctioning today :) | 08:35 |
| sonach | :( sorry for mis-typing | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, no problem, i was making a joke ;) | 08:35 |
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| Stskeeps | babelfish is a fictious creature fish from book "hitchhikers guide to the galaxy", which you put in your ear and it translates all the world languages to you :) | 08:36 |
| sonach | hehe,interesting!! | 08:36 |
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| alterego | lol | 08:49 |
| * alterego just saw babelfish jokes | 08:49 | |
| Aard | Stskeeps: s/world/universe/ | 08:51 |
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| Stskeeps | point | 08:51 |
| alterego | Well galaxy | 08:51 |
| alterego | There's no scientific evidence to suggest it'll work outside of the milkyway. | 08:52 |
| Aard | get funding for a research project? | 08:53 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: One basic question. Why did modern linux components, such as connman and bluez, use d-bus instead of classic Posix IPC message queue? | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ah, now that's a good question.. | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | i don't actually know :) | 08:57 |
| sonach | ah? | 08:57 |
| Bostik | I would suspect the built-in marshaling of variable types has something to with it | 08:57 |
| sonach | Bostik: what is the advantage of "built-in marshaling of variable types"? programmers can ignore byte-alignment based on this? | 08:59 |
| Bostik | sonach: have you ever transferred a dictionary over IPC? ;) | 09:00 |
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| Bostik | 'dictionary' as in python dict() or perl hash | 09:01 |
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| sonach | Bostik: great explanation! so when we need to transfer complex data structures, or we don't really know what the data struct is, we use d-bus instead of classic IPC. | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: there's also other parts such as launching processes to receive dbus information | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | instead of with posix ipc where they have to be up all the time | 09:04 |
| Bostik | not to mention some bloody handy bindings for multiple languages that "just work [TM]" | 09:04 |
| Bostik | so for anything which doesn't need high-bandwidth or low-latency IPC, dbus is usually a lot simpler and allows more flexibility without much thought | 09:05 |
| sonach | cool:) | 09:05 |
| sonach | Bostik: but if we don't use bindings, just use the low-level dbus APIs, it seems that it is a lot complex than classic IPC. | 09:06 |
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| Bostik | sonach: oh yeah, and the final thing which is really neat on desktops (and mobiles) is that dbus has this neat concept of "broadcast messages" (signals) that may be used by one or many applications | 09:16 |
| niqt | someone has installed mer on trim slice? | 09:16 |
| harbaum | imho vgrade has | 09:21 |
| slaine | niqt: grade has, I think cxl000 is the one that's done most of the HA work | 09:22 |
| slaine | vgrade | 09:22 |
| slaine | damn spell checker | 09:22 |
| niqt | I'm considering if buying one | 09:24 |
| niqt | but maybe I do too many things for the time that i have | 09:25 |
| slaine | nice little device | 09:25 |
| slaine | niqt: that's exactly my problem, lol | 09:25 |
| niqt | :) | 09:25 |
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| slaine | Right, so, back to OBS install | 09:38 |
| slaine | I did a copypac of acl into my server yesterday | 09:38 |
| slaine | something interesting happened | 09:38 |
| slaine | It seemed to work from a copying point of view, but I don't seem to be able to get the acl package to build | 09:38 |
| slaine | No option to schedule a rebuild etc. | 09:39 |
| slaine | it's just listing it as a source package | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | did you add the repository ? | 09:39 |
| slaine | Yup, possibly incorrectly | 09:40 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/CDsyzTun | 09:40 |
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| notmart | any idea about this during image creation from the sdk? Error <mount>: Error creating ext3 filesystem on disk /dev/loop02 | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | notmart: do a reboot, does it continue? | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: looks correct | 09:41 |
| notmart | ie i don't have /dev/loop02, i guess is just a distro difference, so making it use /dev/loop2 should be the same? | 09:41 |
| notmart | Stskeeps: yes, i did a reboot | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | notmart: hmm | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | we discussed this problem some days ago | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | check log from 03-23 | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | (is in topic) | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: osc ls MDS:Core:i586 works i presume? | 09:43 |
| * notmart checks | 09:43 | |
| slaine | Stskeeps: yup | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: is your OBS scheduler running? | 09:44 |
| slaine | Wondering of the worker isn't working properly | 09:44 |
| slaine | nod | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | i586 one too? ps aux | grep bs_sched on where it's supposed to be | 09:44 |
| slaine | yup | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 09:45 |
| slaine | signer is marked as off | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | check it's log? | 09:45 |
| slaine | Yeah, problems | 09:46 |
| slaine | thanks | 09:46 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: I'm seeing a 503 in the fakeobs logs | 09:55 |
| slaine | obsbevm.labs.lincor.com - - [27/Mar/2012 10:54:30] "POST /public/lastevents HTTP/1.1" 503 - | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | that one is OK | 09:55 |
| slaine | ok | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | long story short the OBS has retarded remote link behaviour | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | and i work around it with giving it a 503 | 09:55 |
| slaine | So all the 503 errors in the schedular logs are expected | 09:56 |
| slaine | response from watcher for http://mdsvm.labs.lincor.com:8001/public | 09:56 |
| slaine | 503 remote error: Service Unavailable | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | that's ok | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:56 |
| slaine | Hmm, can't see anything else | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | ls -l obs-repos/ for me? | 10:03 |
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| slaine | on the mds box ? | 10:07 |
| slaine | I'm thinking it's config related | 10:07 |
| slaine | on the backend server | 10:07 |
| slaine | I should see the option to rebuild acl | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | on the mds box | 10:07 |
| slaine | http://pastebin.com/CNMkgtrw | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | looks correct | 10:11 |
| slaine | nod, like I said, my hunch is something isn't right on the backend server | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: scheduler_i586.log | 10:12 |
| slaine | like I said, it's only got those 503 errors | 10:13 |
| slaine | everything else looks fine | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | try to remove your <repository> and watch the scheduler | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | log | 10:14 |
| slaine | I'll tail that log, remove the acl project and reimport it | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | and re-add it | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | acl project? | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | package you mean | 10:14 |
| slaine | sorry, yeah | 10:14 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: yeah, something not right there | 10:19 |
| slaine | http://pastebin.com/dRr17tJf | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | your fakeobs down? | 10:19 |
| slaine | hope | 10:19 |
| * lbt turns up | 10:19 | |
| slaine | a few 200 ok and 503 | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt, late night? | 10:20 |
| lbt | yeah - so I had a lie-in with a new book | 10:20 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: I meant nope | 10:21 |
| slaine | my osc ls still works against MDS:Core:i586 | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | awkward | 10:22 |
| slaine | nod | 10:24 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 10:24 | |
| slaine | and still no obs fe option to schedule a rebuild | 10:24 |
| slaine | so something is up with the scheduler | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | curl of mdsvm.labs.lincor.com:8001 works? | 10:24 |
| slaine | works in that it gives a 404 | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | why the heck does it say connection refused.. | 10:26 |
| slaine | nod | 10:26 |
| slaine | especially when I see "obsbevm.labs.lincor.com - - [27/Mar/2012 11:15:50] "GET /public/source/Core:i586/acl?expand=1&rev=latest HTTP/1.1" 200 -" in the fakeobs console | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | right, but you should also see /public/build/ too | 10:27 |
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| slaine | could be onto something, no public/build at all | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, and others, RM in 30 minutes? | 10:29 |
| lbt | wow - I *did* get up late! | 10:29 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: got an example public/build/ url I can curl ? | 10:30 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: try with a second package | 10:38 |
| jussi | Sage_: o/ | 10:39 |
| Sage_ | jussi: o/ | 10:39 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: weird | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | works? | 10:40 |
| slaine | yeah, I pulled in zlib and now acl and zlib are scheduled for rebuild | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | must have been an old inconsistent restate | 10:42 |
| slaine | build is blocked though | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | what release are you building against? | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | does it say scheduled, or blocked | 10:44 |
| slaine | it says scheduled | 10:46 |
| slaine | my worker appears to have disappeared. | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | try to start it then | 10:47 |
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| slaine | Not sure why it wasn't running | 10:51 |
| vgrade | lbt, a couple more reports of the loop2 issue on SDK. Reboot and unmount/remount worked for one | 10:51 |
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| lbt | vgrade: OK, so one is stuck ? | 10:52 |
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| vgrade | other is on a forum discussion | 10:53 |
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| vgrade | I've asked him to stop by here | 10:54 |
| lbt | ok - we have RM meeting now for ~1hr | 10:54 |
| vgrade | ok, np. I'll look out for him | 10:55 |
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| rippel_ | Hi everyone, just a quick question. How is Mer dealing with licenses? | 11:00 |
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| Stskeeps | release management meeting in #mer-meeting now | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | rippel_: elaborate on what specifics you're interested in? | 11:01 |
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| Stskeeps | (licenses is a wide term) | 11:04 |
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| rippel_ | Stskeeps, yes you're right, I'll try to explain myself... | 11:04 |
| rippel_ | If I want to use Mer in a commercial product, I must take into account the license of each single package. I guess that you're leaving those licenses unchanged (right?) so I should be able to pick just the LGPL ones (in example) | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | correct - Mer is made up of a wide range of licenses, all of them open source though | 11:06 |
| slaine | lbt, Good setup for my OBS Workder, How many CPU's and how much RAM | 11:06 |
| rippel_ | is there any required/fundamental package that may cause "comemrcial problems", e.g. GPLv3 | 11:06 |
| slaine | this the VM | 11:06 |
| rippel_ | or for which I should release the source code (or patches) | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | rippel_: we're actively trying to leave out GPLv3 for the moment in images, though you can't avoid them in build phase | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | rippel_: you'd have to release source code for the parts in mer itself that are governed under GPL | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | and your modifications to those | 11:07 |
| slaine | I also found another unused server which I'll make act as a worker or perhaps a phost of an obsbe | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | but there's nothing saying you should publish your entire OS image with commercial packages on top | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | frameworks are properly lgpl as well, for example gstreamer | 11:08 |
| rippel_ | Stskeeps, ok thank you. So there isn't any "umbrella" license for Mer? Something embracing the whole platform I mean | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | rippel_: correct, it's almost impossible to do in any linux based stack due to the components in use | 11:09 |
| rippel_ | does the same apply to the SDK? | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | SDK is made up of same license types as mer is | 11:09 |
| rippel_ | Stskeeps: I mean, Tizen's SDK has some sort of "Samsung" license | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | ie, you can edit it to your hearts extent, it's open source | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | our SDK is practically a mini Mer :) | 11:10 |
| rippel_ | Stskeeps: cool, thank you :) | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | the idea is too that you can make your own product SDK | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | so, a closed source license would be counterproductive | 11:11 |
| rippel_ | good, so I should be able to customise the SDK for my products right? | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 11:11 |
| rippel_ | but does it still have to be based on chroot? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | just as long as you follow the individual licenses, naturally, but that goes for entire stack | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't have to be, but we've selected this method as it's the easiest to deploy | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | there was already work on Qt Creator based SDK as well | 11:12 |
| rippel_ | oh that would be cool | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | we just wanted to get a 'platform' sdk working to solve a bunch of typical problems | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | that blocked people's ability to start working and contributing to mer, and to use it | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | so taking that part first :) | 11:14 |
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| alterego | I think chroot SDKs are awesome :p reduces my urges to use VMs for everything :D | 11:17 |
| alterego | Maybe we should call it PDK though :) | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | pdk makes symbian people shiver | 11:18 |
| alterego | Heh | 11:19 |
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| * w00t has a slight VM insanity at the moment | 11:21 | |
| w00t | I have an OS X machine with two windows VMs, and a fedora VM with a debian chroot with scratchbox inside it | 11:21 |
| w00t | I need to set up an ubuntu VM sometime this week to put a Qt network test server on, too | 11:22 |
| w00t | all in all, I am extremely thankful I have a 480gb hard drive nowdays | 11:22 |
| lbt | w00t: I'm tryng to setup a rapidly redeployable VM test network .... they are fun eh :) | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | rippel_: we also have tools like this: http://wiki.meego.com/File:Kernel5.png | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | rippel_: so you can review licensing yourself | 11:26 |
| w00t | lbt: apart from forgetting which machine I'm on sometimes... :-) | 11:26 |
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| lbt | w00t: I thought it would be nice to name the main Mer admin VM the same as the main MeeGo admin VM ... has occasionally led to WTF moments.... | 11:27 |
| lbt | ohhhhhh .... I'm on *that* zathras | 11:28 |
| w00t | I sometimes forget which machine has what name altogether | 11:28 |
| lbt | I did consider naming them all zathras in the true spirit of Bab5 | 11:28 |
| w00t | I've started using less abstract naming just so I can recognise them (i.e. my lenovo is called "dublin" - guess why? :-)) | 11:28 |
| lbt | yeah - functionally named vms for me ... boss, be, fe, wiki, bz1, bz2 | 11:29 |
| rippel_ | Stskeeps: that's COOOOL (excuse my shouting, just very surprised) | 11:29 |
| rippel_ | what tool is it? | 11:30 |
| lbt | hehe ... "ooh,,,, shiney!" | 11:30 |
| rippel_ | oh AgileBrowser... I'll have a look :-) | 11:30 |
| lbt | rippel_: I'd prefer something a little more DB oriented | 11:31 |
| lbt | though AB does have some license tracking utility | 11:32 |
| lbt | but .... -> do stuff | 11:32 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: for license stuff there is this new format pushed by e.g. yocto. spx? stx? I like the idea | 11:34 |
| E-P | timoph, Stskeeps: Can I create "Quality" page to Mer wiki? We can collect todos, ideas, processes etc. to there | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | E-P: we have a 'just do it' attitude, if the area isn't there, go forth and create :) | 11:40 |
| E-P | alright, will do | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: that sounds like a good task bug | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | rippel_: warning, big svg, http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core10.svg is a simplified version of Mer generated from AgileBrowser | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | (missing base essentials in that diagram) | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | so that's what it can navigate inside, with metadata per package, etc | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference/flanagan | 11:53 |
| dm8tbr | yes, I saw beth's talk in SF :) | 11:53 |
| dm8tbr | IIRC it works on tarball hashes, so pristine tar or whatever should be a good combination? | 11:54 |
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| enc0de | @vgrade hi, rebooted and re-mounted the mersdk stuff... but it is still the same error | 12:07 |
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| slaine | lbt, re the obs worker vm, what kinds stats should I allocate it for RAM and no. CPU's ? | 12:12 |
| slaine | I'm thinking of perhaps moving the OBS fe/be to another box and have the 16GB server act as phost worker | 12:12 |
| lbt | slaine: so we've found the best use of resources is RAM as tmpfs | 12:13 |
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| slaine | So, lots of RAM and 4 cpu's then ? | 12:14 |
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| lbt | it depends what you need to build | 12:14 |
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| slaine | the job I'm kicking off is a full rebuild of Mer Core | 12:15 |
| lbt | I'd go for 2 workers, each with 4Gb tmpfs, 4Gb RAM and 2 CPUs | 12:15 |
| slaine | So allocate 8GB to the VM and allocate 4GB to tmpfs | 12:16 |
| slaine | within the vm | 12:16 |
| vgrade | enc0de, hi. lbt enc0de has the loop2 issue | 12:16 |
| slaine | takes me back, used to build our old red hat stuff on 500MB tmpfs to speed it up | 12:16 |
| slaine | back when 500MB was a lot | 12:17 |
| lbt | slaine: the tmpfs is on the host | 12:17 |
| slaine | I'm confused then | 12:17 |
| lbt | since the host needs to prepare the fs for the worker | 12:17 |
| slaine | why would the phost need more tmpfs | 12:17 |
| lbt | it makes a loopback device | 12:17 |
| lbt | nb ... this is mainly taken care of by OBS | 12:18 |
| slaine | I'm not clear on the division of work here | 12:18 |
| lbt | sysconfig/obsworker | 12:18 |
| slaine | phost or vmhost os | 12:18 |
| lbt | so tmpfs is a kernel thing | 12:18 |
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| lbt | kinda hard to use as / :) | 12:19 |
| lbt | unless initrd did some kind of prep | 12:19 |
| lbt | so we make a tmpfs on the phost | 12:19 |
| lbt | then make a loopback-based large file | 12:20 |
| lbt | then we pass that file or loop to the VM to use as a block device | 12:21 |
| lbt | (not sure which) | 12:21 |
| slaine | I seem to recall Domique Le Foll doing something like this | 12:21 |
| slaine | for the MeeGo production servers, to optimize IO | 12:21 |
| lbt | yeah - we all did it and it got scripted into the OBS worker setup | 12:22 |
| slaine | So, the OBS_VM_USE_TMPFS="" setting reflects this ? | 12:22 |
| lbt | yes | 12:22 |
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| enc0de | sorry was distrected... for the others: everytime i switch into mersdk and want to build a image i get 'Error <mount>: Error creating ext3 filesystem on disk /dev/loop02' | 12:28 |
| enc0de | vgrade told me that i have to reboot and remount the stuff but it is still the same error | 12:28 |
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| slaine | ok, importing MDS:Core:i586 into my OBS VM's, lets see what happens | 12:34 |
| enc0de | vgrade means that this is a known issue? | 12:35 |
| lbt | enc0de: yes, it is | 12:35 |
| enc0de | and normally it is solved by rebooting | 12:35 |
| lbt | it has been, yes | 12:36 |
| lbt | I'm not really sure what's happening | 12:36 |
| enc0de | ok then i will give it a second try | 12:36 |
| slaine | right, off to get some foodage while that's importing | 12:36 |
| lbt | for sure - we can also do some diagnostics | 12:36 |
| slaine | MDS is getting hammered atm, 4 worker threads working away | 12:37 |
| lbt | good | 12:37 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: you saw my discussion with Stskeeps about SPDX? | 12:40 |
| lbt | no | 12:40 |
| lbt | looking | 12:41 |
| dm8tbr | https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference/flanagan | 12:41 |
| enc0de | mh no the same issue... btw i have ubuntu and i forgot to say that there is also python stuff after the error... some libproxy exception | 12:42 |
| enc0de | can i post it here? | 12:42 |
| lbt | use pastie - yes | 12:42 |
| enc0de | Exception AttributeError: "'NoneType' object has no attribute 'px_proxy_factory_free'" in <bound method ProxyFactory.__del__ of <libproxy.ProxyFactory object at 0xaa474ec>> ignored | 12:42 |
| lbt | yeah - not an issue... mic is already dead by then I think | 12:43 |
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| enc0de | ok | 12:45 |
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| Sage | jussi: got it back ;) | 12:45 |
| lbt | enc0de: just having lunch | 12:54 |
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| enc0de | yep no problem :) enjoy your lunch | 12:57 |
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| rippel | Hi, I'm building a Mer image from the SDK. Is it possible to specify a different pkg manager than yum? | 13:09 |
| rippel | In the 'mic create' command I mean | 13:09 |
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| enc0de | rippel: the sdk told me only zypp and yum | 13:12 |
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| rippel | thank you enc0de | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | rippel: it's possible to say zypp too but it's a bit unreliable, we use zypp | 13:22 |
| rippel | Stskeeps, you mean yum? :-) | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | err.. yes | 13:24 |
| rippel | :) | 13:24 |
| slaine | lbt, minor annoyance, the Status monitor page, the plots/graphs don't have any data. | 13:25 |
| slaine | any idea where to look ? | 13:25 |
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| swerden | lbt: Did you got my question regarding the community machine? | 13:55 |
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| vgrade | swerden, hi | 14:05 |
| vgrade | I think David popped out for lunch | 14:06 |
| slaine | lol, I was being a spa | 14:14 |
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| slaine | the status plot/graphs where showing armv7l | 14:14 |
| slaine | once I pointed them to i586, it all became clear | 14:14 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: I need an ssse3 capable box to build i586, isn't that right ? (trying to recall what we said last week) | 14:20 |
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| harbaum | Any news from the archos g9/spark side? Is any of these making progress? | 14:50 |
| slaine | harbaum: the spark is now called vivaldi | 14:51 |
| slaine | might help in searching youtube for recent demos | 14:51 |
| slaine | vgrade put one up this morning iirc. | 14:52 |
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| harbaum | People should use names like sfgslkaaffdsasadv and not something that gives millions of other hits in search engines | 14:56 |
| vgrade | http://opentablets.org/ | 14:56 |
| vgrade | g9 still waiting on sde but the latest image is flying according to mdfe_ | 14:57 |
| harbaum | "vgrade vivaldi" doesn't return anything on youtube | 14:58 |
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| vgrade | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z1N1_-RHvTY | 15:06 |
| harbaum | vgrade: thanks, found it via opentablets.org | 15:09 |
| enc0de | vgrade: someone whispered to me that you implemented the wireless driver in vivaldi successfully | 15:10 |
| enc0de | when can I expect with a little how-to ;) | 15:10 |
| vgrade | soon just making sure its working on 2m and 1f models now | 15:11 |
| enc0de | ah ok if you want i can help (i have 2m) | 15:12 |
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| slaine | In OBS, do I use armv7l or armv7el, for the scheduler and arch names ? | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | armv7el | 15:41 |
| slaine | that's what I've used | 15:41 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: this look right, http://pastebin.com/ghwrFUjw | 15:43 |
| slaine | similar problems as to earlier, where the worker doesn't seem to kick in | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | looks fine | 15:45 |
| slaine | and the obs scheduler settings I have are i586 armv7el armv8el | 15:52 |
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| slaine | where armv7el pulls from MDS:Core:armv7l and armv8el pulls from MDS:Core:armv7hl | 15:52 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: when setting up Arm repo's for a project, do I have to include one for i586 also, to get the build env working ? | 15:53 |
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| vgrade | enc0de, thanks for testing | 16:00 |
| slaine | lbt, Stskeeps thanks for all your help getting this setup working | 16:02 |
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| slaine | It's up and running now | 16:02 |
| slaine | 2 VM's, 1 with 4CPU's and 8GB RAM, another with 2CPU's and 4 GB RAM. | 16:03 |
| slaine | and I've i586 and armv7el schedulers building away. | 16:03 |
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| rippel_ | Hi, I'm trying to load Mer's rootfs from redboot (via NFS) but I get this error: Failed to open /dev/kmsg for logging: No such file or directory | 16:08 |
| rippel_ | after this, it hangs | 16:08 |
| rippel_ | unfortunately I don't have the 'CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT' option in my kernel's menuconfig | 16:08 |
| rippel_ | any idea? | 16:08 |
| vgrade | rippel_ I think you only get it once you select CONFIG_DEVTMPFS option | 16:15 |
| vgrade | what version is it? | 16:15 |
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| rippel_ | it's 2.6.35 but it's been customised for an embedded device (intel atom) | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | what vgrade said, it appears after enabling devtmpfs in general | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/DEVTMPFS_MOUNT.html | 16:16 |
| rippel_ | I've created (mknod) the /dev/kmsg manually, I'll see if it fixes the problem in a while | 16:17 |
| rippel_ | thank you Stskeeps, I can probably try to recompile my kernel, adding that option to .config manually (it's not included in the menuconfig) | 16:18 |
| vgrade | rippel_ you may get it once you try and compile | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | or oldconfig | 16:19 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, wifi running nice on various models of vivaldi now. Need to add the magic ./test-connman enable wifi to the wiki somewhere | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 16:21 |
| vgrade | time to have a look at those amlogic gles libs | 16:22 |
| rippel_ | ok mknod fixed it, but still the boot process hangs with no message | 16:22 |
| rippel_ | :-( | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | rippel_: how far in it? | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | NFS is a bit of an unknown for us, so it's good you're feeding back | 16:23 |
| rippel_ | very early I would say | 16:23 |
| rippel_ | but can't get a log... can I? | 16:23 |
| rippel_ | except the redboot output | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | do you have 'quiet' in your kernel command line? | 16:24 |
| rippel_ | no. My command is: console=ttyS0,115200 root=/dev/nfs rw nfsroot=192.168.3.167:/srv/export ip=dhcp mem=exactmap memmap=1024K@0 memmap=199M@1M | 16:24 |
| rippel_ | I'll try without the memmap stuff... | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok, add systemd.log_level=debug and systemd.log_target=kmsg | 16:25 |
| rippel_ | ok | 16:25 |
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| vgrade | is wiki locked? | 16:32 |
| vgrade | ok now | 16:33 |
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| vgrade | lbt, do we have such a thing a a template bugzilla vm | 16:47 |
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| rippel_ | no luck with my kernel issue: I still don't get any output afterNFS-mounting the rootfs | 17:05 |
| rippel_ | VFS: Mounted root (nfs filesystem) on device 0:13 | 17:06 |
| rippel_ | I've also added the option init=/sbin/init | 17:06 |
| rippel_ | my original system uses busybox. Is there anything I should to on Mer in order to make it similar? | 17:07 |
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| netweaver_ | stskeeps: call me stupid but I'm trying to find a kernel config param ("CONFIG_MMC_DEBUG") in config-generic and config-adaptation-n900 but I can't find it in either. Where should it be ? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | netweaver_: google for it, i'm sure you'll find it deps on some other flag | 18:26 |
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| netweaver_ | stskeeps: if I add it simply to the config-adaptation-n900 the build script collapses mentionning this CONFIG_MMC_UNSAFE_RESUME | 18:29 |
| netweaver_ | + exit 1. BUt that key is also not there :( In fact, I cant find ANY mmc key in either of the 2 to-be-merged config files. So where does this result .config come from ? Somewhere it must pick up some defaults for the entries not redefined... | 18:29 |
| netweaver_ | it depends on CONFIG_MMC | 18:30 |
| netweaver_ | so 'walking up the tree' and manually also defining the parent as well should be enough? | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | netweaver_: basically the scripts verify you have all settings | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | so enabling debug means you also have to choose on config mmc unsafe resume | 18:38 |
| netweaver_ | stskeeps: I though I understood the hierarchical reaplacement of flag but I was missing the knowledge on the requirements on even not-specified flags. Thanks :) | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | our packaging is a bit special | 18:40 |
| netweaver_ | stskeeps: ok, I tried again, now specifying CONFIG_MMC=y, CONFIG_MMC_DEBUG=y and CONFIG_MMC_UNSAFE_REMOVAL=y, added to the end of config-adaptation-n900. Fingers crossed. | 18:44 |
| netweaver_ | stskeeps: can we redirect the kernel boot log via usb to a PC for capturing? Or is that not enabled in the Nemo kernel? | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | netweaver_: sadly not | 18:45 |
| netweaver_ | stskeeps: ok ...mer-next build happily continues but the normal build target say 'building' but the progress doesn't show any logs, also trigger rebuild doesn't work. can it be stuck ? | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | netweaver_: obs is a bit odd at times | 18:50 |
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| florin_ | hello | 18:52 |
| netweaver_ | stskeeps: all things I'm aksing recently I'm getting the 'funny' OBS answer :D I'll do a dummy file change and hope it starts rebuilding on the real target. Or should the mer-next target also be fully usable ? | 18:52 |
| florin_ | I've read some logs from this room just now and saw a discussion about some pandaboard gpu drivers | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | lo florin_ :) | 18:53 |
| florin_ | anybody have any idea where I could get RN_4_04_00_01 from ? somebody mentioned that particular release here http://mer.bfst.de/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2012-03-06.log.html | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | netweaver_: it should be, that one is older than "current" though | 18:53 |
| florin_ | and I would really need that if anybody had any idea | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | florin_: http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_sb/targetcontent/gfxsdk/ | 18:54 |
| florin_ | thank you very much; I've searched on that site but didn't find it ... must be too tired at this hour | 18:57 |
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| Stskeeps | florin_: it is a bit hidden admittedly | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | i couldn't find it through google | 18:57 |
| florin_ | thanks again | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | np - out of curiousity, what do you hope to use them for? | 18:58 |
| florin_ | need opengl working on omap 4430 | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 18:59 |
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| Stskeeps | hello evoc | 19:05 |
| evoc | hi Stskeeps | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 19:06 |
| netweaver_ | stskeeps: does the Nemo kernel has all the KDB patches in? Sorry for being a pain in the backside, learning here :) | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | netweaver_: KDB? the patches there are the patches there is :P | 19:07 |
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| netweaver_ | stskeeps: I didn't see any KDB patch in the patchlist, but maybe these days it's part of the standard kernel tree. I couldn't find anything for above 2.6.33 version on the SGI site and also nothing for arm. So doesn't it exist for arm and/or for more recent kernels? | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | netweaver_: i'll be daft and not know what kdb is.. | 19:13 |
| _av500_ | a defunct secret service | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | netweaver_: we have version 2.6.37 in nemo for n900, check that | 19:14 |
| netweaver_ | stskeeps: KernelDeBugger : http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kdbug/ and http://kernel.org/doc/htmldocs/kgdb.html | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | netweaver_: ok, don't know if we have that | 19:15 |
| netweaver_ | stskeeps: it's anyway depending on proper keyboard access during boot, with MAGIC_SYSRQ ... mmmm I need to read/dig a bit deeper on that. | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | netweaver_: yea, doubt you'll get that on a n900 :) | 19:17 |
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| w00t | you never know! | 19:22 |
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| Sage | lbt, Stskeeps: how does the new mer release on friday looks? | 19:53 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: well, we were going to push out a prerelease today with new eglibc as that warrants new testing | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | and postpone final to 20120405 | 20:02 |
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| lbt | hey - sorry - I've been asleep all day - real bad headache | 20:12 |
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| vgrade | lbt, sounds like you're coming down with something | 20:14 |
| lbt | could be - not feeling great | 20:14 |
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| vgrade | i'd say get an early night but you've just got up :) | 20:15 |
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