Monday, 2012-03-26

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wmarone_hmm, obs search is broken03:23
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iekkumorning05:21
E-Pmorning05:23
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niqtmorning06:33
niqtping Stskeeps06:34
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* Stskeeps yawns07:34
iekku:)07:36
* timoph curses whoever came up with the idea of changing the time twice a year07:37
Stskeepsyou first noticed today? ;p07:37
timophyep :)07:38
iekku:D07:38
Bostikdays are too short anyway, proper length would be ~26h07:38
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Stskeepsmorn slaine08:13
slaineMorning Stskeeps08:13
slainemorning all08:13
Stskeepsso did you get a package building on friday?08:14
slaineNo time08:15
slainehad to run out to collect my son08:15
slaineI'll kick one off in a few mins08:15
Stskeepsk08:15
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mdfe_morning all08:29
Stskeepsmorn mdfe08:29
lbtmorning all08:33
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* lbt takes a deep breath after a pretty Mer-lite weekend :)08:34
lbtalterego: ping08:35
alteregolbt: yes, sorry, today is the day I promise! :P08:36
lbthehe - no worries ... I know you're busy08:36
alteregoOnly three more days of work08:36
alteregoThen I have April off :D08:36
alteregoGoing Skiing in France on Thursday for a week though.08:37
lbtsounds rather pleasant08:37
lbtoooh08:37
* lbt jealous08:37
lbta no-ski year for me this year ...08:37
alteregoI've not been in years, so very much looking forward to it.08:37
lbtyeah, and this time of year is blue skies too - yummy08:38
Stskeepslbt: any pre-releases are no-go right now, something backfired08:38
lbtStskeeps: OK08:38
lbtStskeeps: I moved imbackup ... just figuring a way to verify it08:38
Stskeepsok08:39
lbtI also copied merreleases - but need to ensure I know what you do with it08:39
Stskeepsdefine moved08:39
lbtcopied and umounted on monster08:39
Stskeepsok08:39
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lbtcommented out from fstab until we say "yep, good copy"08:39
Stskeepsmerreleases is ssh for rsync of releases, and exported on rsync and www08:39
lbt*nod* ... it has git too08:40
lbtnot sure how that gets in there - just rsync'ed from createrelease.sh ?08:40
Stskeepspackages-git is gerrit rsyncing to it08:40
lbtgood - so that can move but we need to tweak gerrit08:41
Stskeepsright08:41
lbtwell, it's all copied so rsync should be easy now08:41
Stskeepshow did you copy, out of curiousity?08:42
lbttar | gzip -1 | socat08:42
Stskeepsok08:43
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lbtalterego: nb .... if you prepare a wiki backup for me and scp it to the VM then I'll try to get it up. Once I've done that once then we can do it again with a sync/switch08:46
alteregoSounds good08:47
alteregoI need to do some work for a few hours and I'll ping you early afternoon about 1ish08:47
Stskeepslock wiki meantime?08:47
Stskeepsduring backup, that is08:47
alteregoStskeeps: just a trial run to see if we can do it.08:47
Stskeepsk08:47
lbt*nod*08:47
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Bostikwhat just went wrong? trying to setup sb2 for armv7l (NOT 7hl) and I get installation error on first binary package for mismatching architecture09:12
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Stskeepswhere is that in? SDK?09:13
Bostikyup, I've followed the instructions to the letter from wiki09:13
Stskeepsshow me log please09:13
Bostikcoming up09:13
niqti havew reinstalled the sdk, now if i run osc ls i have: "Server returned an error: HTTP Error 401: Authorization Required"09:17
lbtniqt: that typically means it's not using your ~/.oscrc09:17
lbtniqt: can you verify that when you are in the SDK you can :  ls -laF ~/.oscrc09:18
niqto_O09:18
lbt?09:19
niqtls -laF ~/.oscrc09:20
niqt-rw------- 1 nicola 1000 4863 Feb 23 14:13 /home/nicola/.oscrc09:20
lbtok09:20
Bostikpastebin acting up, not accepting captcha (cookies allowed, js allowed...)09:20
lbthttp://pastie.org/09:20
Bostikhttp://pastebin.com/4uwLedyL09:20
Bostikfinally09:20
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lbtBostik: I'll take a look09:21
Bostikany logfiles from the chroot I can provide?09:21
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lbtniqt: osc --http-debug ls09:21
lbtbut hide the session cookie09:22
niqtlbt: resolved, in osc was my local user password09:24
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lbtniqt: cool :)09:25
lbtniqt: just in case... you know about aliases in ~/.oscrc ?09:26
niqtno, i don't know09:26
lbteach [https://api] section can have a value like09:27
lbtaliases=<something>09:27
lbteg aliases=cobs09:28
lbtthen : osc -A cobs ls09:28
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lbtso I have aliases for local, cobs, meego, suse, merci09:28
lbtBostik: OK09:28
niqtok09:28
niqtthanks09:28
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lbtBostik: what is  etc/rpm/platform inside the target?09:31
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Bostiklbt: no such file, which sounds a bit odd (the bug only referred to 7hl which I don't need here)09:34
Bostikoh, target...09:35
lbtthe file isn't normally needed - it's an override for rpm09:35
Bostikright, no file there either09:35
lbtI'm checking in case you followed the instructions :)09:35
lbtdamn :)09:35
BostikI followed them, and truly read everything to figure out what's necessary09:35
lbtso you skipped:     echo -n "armv7hl-meego-linux" > etc/rpm/platform09:36
lbt?09:36
lbtwhich is kinda sane :)09:36
Bostikcorrect09:36
lbtso can you try with armv7l - which .... doesn't make sense09:36
Bostikneeded to adapt for 7l case?09:36
Bostikwill do, momento uno09:37
lbtyou'll need to rerun the rebuilddb and ref --force09:37
Bostik... -n ?09:37
Bostikreally? if no such file?09:37
lbtoh the -n is no-newline09:37
Bostikyeah, I know09:38
Bostiksounds a bit ... fragile if that really can't deal with trailing newline :)09:38
lbtthis *is* rpm09:38
lbtand I just didn't edit the upstream instructions09:38
Bostikzypper ref --force gives the same error09:39
Bostikand installing glibc-devel errors out again in exact same way09:39
lbtthat's not a problem09:39
lbtOK ... so another one09:40
Bostikhmmm... an idea09:40
Bostiknope, wasn't a mixed download either; clean did not help09:40
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lbtecho 'arch = armv7l' >> etc/zypp/zypp.conf09:44
lbtaimed into the target09:44
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Bostiknope, no change; redid --rebuilddb + ref --force09:46
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lbtOK, I'll try to reproduce it09:49
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lbtBostik: any chance you have multiple targets?09:53
Bostiklbt: nope, just this one09:53
lbtOK09:53
lbtdownloading mic files now ... slowly09:55
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lbtBostik: good - same problem here10:14
Bostikat least we're in sync10:14
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lbtBostik: In the SDK can you : cat /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer/etc/rpm/platform10:29
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Bostiklbt: yes, result is what I added there earlier10:35
Bostik$ cat /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer/etc/rpm/platform10:35
Bostikarmv7hl-meego-linuxbostik@plop:/parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer$10:35
Bostikoh, "7hl"10:35
Bostikwtf10:35
lbt:)10:35
lbtcan you remove that file10:35
Bostikdone10:35
lbtI think it is needed btw10:36
lbtbut obviously with armv7l :)10:36
Bostiktesting...10:36
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Bostikalthough it still errors out as before10:37
lbtyep10:37
lbtecho "armv7l-meego-linux" >/parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer/etc/rpm/platform10:37
Bostikdid, no change10:38
lbthttp://pastie.org/367093810:39
lbtah shit10:39
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lbtwhat directory are you in?10:40
lbtcd /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer ?10:40
Bostikrrright, everything was otherwise correct10:40
Bostikthe filename had a typo10:41
Bostikinstallation went okay10:41
lbtphew10:41
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lbtso is the typo in the wiki or did you do it?10:41
Bostikthis stupid keyboard occasionally misses a stroke when certain sequences are done rapidly10:42
Bostikapparently "platform" is one of those, 't' was eaten10:42
lbtyeah, mine too - some keys in the middle - y/7 for me :)10:42
Bostik'y' in particular, yes (I always find myself having written "waland")10:43
lbtso that platform file is needed for arm7l too - odd10:44
Sage_Stskeeps: Mer bug triage in 15min?10:47
lbtyep10:47
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Bostiklbt: thank you10:58
lbtnp - I updated the bug and the wiki too10:58
lbtare you getting this deployed a bit internally ?10:59
Bostikfor a very specific use only11:01
BostikI'll tell you shortly, now a meeting11:01
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Bostiklbt: right, one of our guys needs to do a very rapid rebuild-hack-redeploy -round for a piece of software which takes *ages* to build in an OBS cycle; the results have to be tested on target device, so I need to instruct him and his team on how to use mer-sdk + sb2 to get this done so that their development history is not thrashed by any steps in this cycle11:10
Bostikif I can cut the ..-hack-..-hack-.. cycle turnover time down to minutes, he can use this11:10
lbt*nod* - I'm really keen to see how and where the sdk/sb2 stuff is useful11:11
BostikI'll provide a cleaned up guide to monster hacks once I know how this is done :)11:12
lbtthe goal is to do something like "osc setup_target <packageA> <packageB> <packageC>"11:14
lbtthat will pull OBS build-deps down and zypper in to the target for *all* A,B,C11:14
Bostikyum!11:15
lbtthen you can hack on the target with all 3 tarballs - although there are issues with make install on A before being able to build B11:15
lbtanyhow .... I'm in the bug triage talking to myself at the moment ...11:15
lbtin #mer-meeting if anyone else is interested :)11:16
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mdfe_lbt: hi11:28
lbthey mdfe_11:28
mdfe_lbt: I have a question to sb2 init stuff11:29
lbtsure ...11:29
lbt(just doing bug triage so I'm a touch laggy)11:29
mdfe_I tried to build a pvr-kernel and by this I need the sources of my device kernel11:29
mdfe_then I wonder why my kernel sources cannot found by pvr-kernel11:30
lbtthey're not in $HOME are they11:31
lbthttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Directory_Mappings11:31
mdfe_then I detected the kernel sources are installed on another path as I packaged it11:31
mdfe_before /usr/kernel/.....11:32
lbtyeah - we need to make this easier...11:32
mdfe_and installed to /target/usr/kernels/....11:32
lbtI want to have a simple "these directories have src - make them work properly in the target"11:33
mdfe_hm11:33
lbtdoes the link make sense?11:34
lbt#topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232 - qmf should be updated to latest upstream11:34
mdfe_its voodoo11:34
lbtbasically, yes11:34
mdfe_I do not like voodoo11:34
mdfe_;)11:34
mdfe_do you got what I mean?11:35
lbtyes11:36
mdfe_I package source files and thery are installed in a diffenrent directory11:36
mdfe_no big deal, but it took a while to figure out what going wrong11:37
lbtlet me double check here11:37
lbtyou have an SDK with the kernel source unpacked into /usr/kernels/11:37
mdfe_please see https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=pvr-archos-gen9-kernel&project=Project%3AKDE%3AMer_Extras%3AAdaptation%3AArchos-gen9&repository=Mer_Extras_armv7l11:37
mdfe_even in obs11:38
lbthttps://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23511:38
mdfe_yepp11:39
mdfe_thats it11:39
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mdfe_the stuff is stored in /target/usr/scr/kernels11:39
lbtmmm11:40
lbtno, I think it isn't - and that's the problem11:40
mdfe_but the package content is /usr/src/kernels11:40
mdfe_imho its related to SB2 voodoo11:41
lbtyes, it is11:41
mdfe_*g*11:41
lbtessentially it means that code that installs t11:41
mdfe_I will write a comment in this bug11:41
lbto /usr/src won't work11:41
lbtbut ... you shouldn't be doing that anyway ..... I don't think11:42
mdfe_hmm11:42
mdfe_so what is right way do package kernel source stuff?11:42
lbthttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step#Make_a_kernel_package11:43
lbtbut that's community driven11:43
lbtso it may need some debate and modification11:43
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lbtmdfe_: if you want to comment on #235 and then we'll raise it to high11:44
lbtjust don't want to blat your comment11:44
mdfe_:D11:44
mdfe_thx11:45
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lbtmdfe_: are you posting to #235 ? - include a snip from that log too if you are11:54
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mdfe_ok11:58
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mdfe_lbt: done12:00
lbtraised12:01
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slaineThis look reasonable for a local Mer:Core:i586 proj xml ?12:01
slainehttp://pastebin.com/6jGYrjiS12:01
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mdfe_thanks lbt :)12:05
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lbtalterego: DB dump reminder ping13:31
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alteregolbt: got it, 6.7M13:35
alteregoWhere do you want it?13:35
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lbtcan you login to the wiki VM still ?13:36
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alteregoStrangely enough, no :)13:37
lbthehe13:37
alteregoSeems to be something wrong with my key file.13:38
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Stskeepslbt, did you alter anything on mer infra with ssh btw?13:46
lbtpossibly - since when?13:46
lbthttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Web_Infrastructure/Policy#SSH_Keys seems correct13:47
lbtport 2222 is the only change (and we're talking weeks ago)13:47
lbtalterego: so now scp should be OK13:47
alteregoDone13:47
alteregoThe database backup is in my home directory.13:47
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lbtthanks13:47
alteregoHrm,13:48
alteregoI really need to reflash my personal N9, but I'm paranoid about data loss .13:48
alteregoSo I'm going to have to go through every app and make sure all the data is in the backup.13:48
lbt:)13:48
lbtreally must look at that problem on Nemo too13:49
alteregoI think I might do a backup, then try to install that backup on my other N913:50
alteregoAnd check the data.13:50
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Timmyany x86 version of nemo for netbooks?14:58
StskeepsTimmy: there's a x86 version but if you want to use it as a netbook, it's not really the right interface :)14:59
Stskeepsx86 port should boot fine on typical atom hw though14:59
swisstomcathi stskeeps14:59
swisstomcati'm checking out the #mer channel15:00
swisstomcat(@twtomcat from twitter)15:00
Stskeepsswisstomcat: yep, good to see you here :)15:00
Stskeepsdon't hestitate to ask any questions15:00
swisstomcatsure15:01
StskeepsTimmy: what are you hoping to do?15:01
swisstomcatis mer involved with project grande in any way?15:01
Stskeepsswisstomcat: project grande is an idea i came up with last summer, well, brewing on for a while and one of the pieces to make that idea come through was a minimal core that was easy to put everywhere15:01
Stskeepsswisstomcat: hence Mer had to be constructed :)15:02
swisstomcatah, interesting!15:02
Stskeepsme and alterego has been working on the stuff off and on since15:02
swisstomcati'm really interested in this stuff15:02
Timmyinstalling newer updates of meego on my netbook Stskeeps15:02
swisstomcatthe post-apps future15:02
StskeepsTimmy: ah, so, we have a dawati.org build somewhere i think15:02
Stskeepsthat's meego ux continuation, which you'd probably also see in tizen15:02
swisstomcatare you going to be at front trends 2012?15:03
Stskeepsswisstomcat: basically every single idea i had for doing something beyond the status quo of smartphones, incl business models, required this open core and so far the work is looking quite good :)15:03
Stskeepsalterego: what was the URL for your state transfer video?15:03
* alterego shrugs .. ."Hang on" ;)15:03
alteregoThis one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F_VBjdeyQY15:04
Stskeepsyeah, that one15:04
Stskeepsswisstomcat: hmm, front trends, let me look it up15:05
swisstomcatit's in warsaw15:05
swisstomcatand i'm going to be there15:05
Stskeeps"event is sold out"15:05
Stskeepsdamn15:05
swisstomcatdoh15:05
swisstomcati might be able to get you in15:05
swisstomcatif you're interested15:05
Stskeepsyeah, for sure15:06
swisstomcator we could meet up anyway15:06
Stskeepsit's not often conferences of interest come to warsaw15:06
swisstomcattrue15:06
swisstomcatlast year was very good15:06
alteregoYou get conferences in Warsaw?15:06
alteregoIn Poland?15:06
* alterego chuckles15:06
Stskeepswell, we have prices 1/4th of typical western countries and an airport nearby15:07
Stskeepsalso, booze is cheap15:07
Stskeeps:P15:07
alteregoHeh15:07
alteregoAnd bears.15:07
swisstomcatfront-trends 2011 was very nice15:07
Stskeepsah, over on the other side of the river15:07
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Stskeepsalterego: i should send you a good polish vodka at some point..15:07
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w00tthey exist?15:08
w00t:P15:08
alteregoHeh15:09
alteregoI've had some Polish Vodka actually.15:09
alteregoOne with some grass in it.15:09
Stskeepsswisstomcat: well, if i'm able to get in, i'd go - else we can probably meet up for dinner or the likes15:09
swisstomcatcool15:09
Stskeepsswisstomcat: i'll make a mental note to watch this conference for next year for sure15:09
swisstomcati definitly would!15:09
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Stskeeps(i'm based 5km from the venue)15:09
swisstomcatexcellent .. let's meet up in any case15:09
Stskeepsalright15:10
* Stskeeps puts it on calendar15:10
bigbluehatglad you guys are meeting up :) Sad I can't be a fly on the wall there. ;)15:11
swisstomcathehe15:11
swisstomcatwe can report afterwards15:11
swisstomcat:)15:12
Stskeepsmoving back to grande though, we're right now mostly prototyping and seeing what can be done - with Mer we can quite easily prototype on a wide variety of devices, it's 'just' a UX on top anyway15:12
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Stskeepsthe idea is to end up with a simple understandable runtime where it's easy to move from doing for example html5 apps to be doing this kind of 'futuristic' experiences15:13
Stskeepsutilizing same tools and methods15:13
swisstomcatright15:14
Stskeepsthough i think webos is also doing a bit of the same :)15:14
swisstomcatquick prototyping is very good15:14
swisstomcatso "mer core" already exists as an installable thing?15:14
Stskeepssure, want to see what it's capable of?15:14
swisstomcatsure .. what do i need?15:15
Stskeepsyoutube ;)15:15
Stskeepsmoment15:15
Stskeepsjust to understand: mer's a core, we don't contain UI or hardware adaptation, you mix core+hardware adaptation and you get a bootable image, you mix core+hardware adaptation+ui and you have a device with UI15:15
swisstomcatright15:16
bigbluehatswisstomcat: thing #mer+Nyx+webOS :)15:16
swisstomcatso mer core is linux+?15:16
swisstomcator more?15:16
Stskeepsmer core is basically a common userland, suited towards mobile usage15:17
swisstomcat(i see that plasma active uses mer?)15:17
swisstomcatso linux+mobile userland15:17
Stskeepsright15:17
swisstomcatwhat does it do in terms of a RIL?15:17
Stskeepswe're ofono based at the moment15:17
swisstomcat(because that's usually a pain point)15:17
Stskeepsmany of us come from meego originally15:17
Stskeepsbut we're not tied to it15:18
swisstomcati see15:18
Stskeepshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eak4T649uDg&feature=youtu.be is Nemo, on N900 hardware adaptation (handset UI)15:18
Stskeepser, on N950, i mean15:18
swisstomcatso .. why is b2g not build on top of mer for example?15:18
Stskeepsthere's people already running b2g on top of mer :)15:18
Stskeepsbut if you want to know, because they wanted to get quickly demoable stuff so they made their gonk/android derived stuff15:19
Stskeepsso they could leverage hardware adaptations from android15:19
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swisstomcathmm, ok15:19
swisstomcathow much hardware adaption is available for mer?15:20
Stskeepsmer's not just code though, we're also systems, for example QA tools, automated image builds, build farm software, et15:20
Stskeepsc15:20
swisstomcatyeah, also important15:20
Stskeepsthere's a fair bit, incl one on HP Touchpad, but it's not fully functional15:21
swisstomcatoh really?15:21
Stskeepsyeah, it's on the list there15:21
swisstomcatthis is all new to me .. i guess tizen and b2g are getting all the love these days15:21
Stskeepsqualcomm is always a bit of a pain for anything that's done in the open15:21
Stskeepsbut if you have a company and ability to do NDAs and contracts with your chip vendor, mer also works with that15:21
swisstomcatright15:22
swisstomcatso where would i find the touchpad info?15:22
Stskeepshrm, thought i pasted the url15:22
Stskeepssec15:22
Stskeepshttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace15:23
swisstomcatthanks15:24
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Stskeepsthere's also http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/Touchpad15:24
swisstomcatmaybe i can do some experiments on the touchpad15:24
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swisstomcati also have an archos G8 8015:24
Stskeepswe have adaptation for G9 at least, i can't recall the story of G815:25
Stskeepsbut anyway, many of these adaptations aren't really official, but the same methods are those you'd use if you were a company and making a device with mer15:25
lbtswisstomcat: a key difference between Mer and many other distros is that we're very much vendor-oriented whilst also being vendor-agnostic;  so sure, we provide code - but almost *more* important is that we're structured to support product development against Mer15:26
swisstomcatoops, i meant G9 8015:27
swisstomcati understand15:27
lbtswisstomcat: In the same way you take the linux kernel and use it in a product - you'd take the Mer software and systems stack and use them too15:27
swisstomcatwebOS is heading a similar direction i think15:27
lbt*nod*15:27
Stskeepsah, G9 should be able to run mer quite well, waiting for the SDE to be published15:27
lbtswisstomcat: We've done a lot of work on developing things like OBS and other systems to support automation15:28
swisstomcatwhich is a big part of the picture15:28
swisstomcatbut usually you don't see15:28
lbtafter all - whilst we may build code for Mer - we build systems and tools for many other distro targets!15:28
lbtswisstomcat: yes, indeed15:29
swisstomcatthis whole "lack of collaboration" stskeeps is talking about is becoming more and more apparent to me15:29
swisstomcateveryone working on the same building blocks15:29
lbtswisstomcat: and you probably realise that much of the systems stuff for product development comes from time-served in Nokia making s few devices15:29
lbtyup15:29
lbtwe were really pleased when MeeGo didn't invent their own build system15:30
swisstomcatand now nokia is quite clearly jumping ship in this area15:30
lbtswisstomcat: they are indeed publicly jumping ship15:30
swisstomcatgoing away from qt/meegoo and the like (and also open source it seems)15:30
Stskeepswell, qt not so much15:30
Stskeepsqt-project is impressively active15:30
swisstomcattrue15:30
Stskeepsmeego is stone dead, for sure15:31
swisstomcatbut "open technology" in general15:31
swisstomcatit seems15:31
swisstomcatwindows phone doesn't seem like a good "cultural" fit15:31
swisstomcatfor a company like nokia15:31
Stskeepsyeah.. well, let's see what happens for them15:32
lbtswisstomcat: well, I wouldn't hold my breath for a return to the maemo days - but their current strategy is proving a challenge15:32
Stskeepsmeego was good in a way that a lot of development tools and techniques got pushed to the open15:32
alteregoIt's not over until the large women sings.15:32
lbtyep - and we just wandered along and kept them alive :)15:32
lbtswisstomcat: so you're part of the hp crowd?15:33
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swisstomcatlbt: yeah .. i work for webOS developer relations15:33
lbtheh - I guess I have a similar role in Mer :)15:33
lbt'vendor relations'15:33
swisstomcatsounds good :)15:33
swisstomcatso we should keep in touch15:34
lbtbut it's more about keeping an eye on mer and making sure we stay vendor oriented15:34
Stskeepsprobably derailing a bit, lbt, so where did imbackup get moved to_15:34
Stskeeps?15:34
lbtso trying to track how mer is used and look for issues that affect vendors or areas we need to resolve15:34
lbtphost215:35
Stskeepsok15:35
Stskeepslbt: there's one failure left in mips arch (libpciaccess didn't compile!) and after that i think we can make a prerelease15:35
Stskeepswonder how that slipped by the build checks15:35
lbtmips isn't ci'ed ?15:35
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Stskeepsit must not have been when i evaluated libpciaccess upgrade15:36
lbtdid you add it?15:36
Stskeepsi added it for good measure at some point yes15:36
lbtOK15:36
Stskeeps(lately)15:36
* lbt crosses it off his list15:36
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* Stskeeps ponders if tizen talk results come today15:37
lbtswisstomcat: I guess webos is pretty much sorted when it comes to build systems? But what's the story from WebOS when I want to build a device? in terms of what do I setup internally?15:37
swisstomcatthe build system is far from sorted out15:38
lbtreally ....15:38
swisstomcatthey're working to upgrade to a better system15:38
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lbtin that case we really *should* talk15:39
Stskeepslbt: it seems to me they're taking a bit of a top down approach15:39
swisstomcator get you in touch with the correct people15:39
Stskeepsenyo framework -> nyx HAL -> core15:39
swisstomcati think they're using OE for historical reasons15:39
lbtswisstomcat: *nod*15:39
swisstomcatso yocto might be a possibility15:39
Stskeepsi wouldn't be surprised to see a yocto rebase myself15:40
Stskeepsheh, was just writing that when you said it15:40
swisstomcatheh15:40
lbtyeah - but it's painful for real product work15:40
Stskeepsit's really a challenge to adapt new development tools / breaking your team's habits15:40
swisstomcatmaybe i should connect you to some guys in engineering?15:40
lbtyeah15:40
swisstomcatto talk about build stuff15:40
alteregoYeah, look at us maemo folks, how many people did we lose from maemo -> meego? :)15:40
swisstomcati don't really understand most of it :)15:41
Stskeepsalterego: well, that was partially stubbornness to accept that hildon-gtk was stone dead..15:41
lbtswisstomcat: you can tell them that 3 of us manage all of Mer's infra and build systems for 7 architectures15:41
Stskeeps:P15:41
swisstomcatnice15:41
Stskeepson a 210eur/month infra budget15:41
Stskeeps:P15:41
alteregoStskeeps: hildon, .deb vs .rpm, etc, etc.. :)15:41
Stskeepsalterego: yeah.. that too15:42
lbtswisstomcat: high efficiency -> low cost -> competitive15:42
Stskeepsalterego: i think things would have looked different if qml had arrived earlier15:42
alteregoIndeed, QML was a bit of a curve ball15:42
alteregoWasn't really expecting it.15:42
Stskeepslbt: i had to revert sb2 upgrade, the new fakeroot caused a stall in build-compare, BTW15:44
Stskeepslbt: i think we'll make the defining feature of this prerelease the new glibc15:44
Stskeepsas it requires a bit of proper testing against vendor images15:44
lbtOK15:44
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Stskeepslbt: how does 20120504 sound as expected next release?15:49
Stskeepserr..15:49
Stskeepslbt: how does 20120405 sound i mean ;)15:49
lbt0405 :)15:49
Stskeepsbecause then we can get proper testing going and qt5 reviewed properly15:51
Stskeepsbbl walking at the beach15:52
swisstomcatnice :)15:53
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swisstomcati wonder if a startup is needed to push things in the ubiquitus computing area16:01
swisstomcatwith real-live applications for it16:01
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swisstomcatbased on mobile linux+html516:02
swisstomcat+web16:02
swisstomcat+semantic web16:02
swisstomcatand stuff16:02
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Stskeepsswisstomcat: wife insisted i took a small vacation since i'm between contract so trying out polish coast for some days :)16:39
Stskeepsswisstomcat: my belief is that only way you could pull it off is by a bunch of SME's getting together to make interesting products, especially considering how approachable it is to get ODM's to make devices these days16:40
Stskeepsie, work together on common parts, differentiate on own qualities16:40
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dm8tbrStskeeps: ah, which part of the coast? many nice places there16:44
Stskeepsdm8tbr: kolobzreg16:45
Stskeeps(sp)16:45
Stskeepswent through poznan yesterday16:45
dm8tbr:)16:45
dm8tbrnever been there16:45
Stskeepsit's fairly nice, but a bit of a tourist trap16:46
* dm8tbr likes the triple city16:46
dm8tbrsopot is a tourist trap too, but it's easy to veer out of main street and find nice places or go to gdańsk or gdynia16:46
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Stskeeps:nod:16:47
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* bigbluehat just read the backlog...and is thus, inspired :)16:57
Stskeepsto take a vacation? :P16:58
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alteregoHrm, working on actual message protocol/format now17:02
alteregoI always hate implementing things as state machines.17:03
bigbluehatStskeeps: yeah, take a vacation and hack on any number of HTML5 OS/UI ideas :)17:09
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shadeslayervgrade: back?18:39
vgradesec18:39
shadeslayersure18:39
* shadeslayer found something interesting, but is not sure if it's relevant18:39
vgradeok, so your on ASUS transformer?18:44
shadeslayervgrade: http://paulburton.eu/git/?p=tf101/kernel.git;a=summary << found this18:46
shadeslayerand was discussing it with the folks over at #asus-transformer and they said that it should work18:47
shadeslayerbut they haven't tried it themselves18:47
vgradeI would get something up on sw raster first then we can start with matching tegra kernel and userspace drives18:48
vgradeif we start with thet we will be on a hiding to nothing18:48
shadeslayerheh18:48
shadeslayerok18:48
vgradeso you have some kernel source from ASUS18:49
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shadeslayervgrade: those are the android kernel sources18:49
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vgradeand you have access to nvflash to the device?18:49
vgradeandriod kernels work fine once you set the right options :)18:49
shadeslayernope, I have CWM installed which allows me to flash the kernel and the rootfs onto the required partitions18:50
shadeslayer:)18:50
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vgradeok , rebuild the kernel with these options, and patches, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide18:51
* shadeslayer looks18:51
vgradethen set your commandline to set root=/dev/mmcblkxpx or whatever your sdcard is recognised as.  You can find that out from dmesg from an andriod booted system using adb18:52
shadeslayeryep, know that already18:52
vgradeand init=/bin/systemd18:53
vgradeyou will need to edit the fstab on the G9 image to suit18:53
RaYmAnvgrade: sadly, no nvflash yet on newer tf101s :(18:53
RaYmAnit's something you really miss, lol18:53
shadeslayerheh18:54
shadeslayerdidn't realize you were here as well :P18:54
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Sage_vgrade: know anyone that have booted Mer on Galaxy Nexus (Omap4)18:54
vgradeRaYmAn, but at least they opened the bl18:54
shadeslayeryou guys are like omniscent in all the ARM channels :P18:54
shadeslayervgrade: only on the prime18:54
RaYmAn I've idled here for like a year , lol18:54
shadeslayer:D18:54
shadeslayervgrade: any news on the Pi's btw? It's been like forever18:55
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vgradeSage_, no, not that one, does it have open bl. Should be doable if so.18:55
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Sage_vgrade: Well I tried to boot one but wasn't able to get anything to the screen during boot so no idea what goes on there18:56
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vgradeSage_, yea rather difficult with no boot screen or bootlog18:58
Sage_:nod:18:59
shadeslayervgrade: note that I've never built a kernel before btw :P18:59
vgrademy workflow with andriod stuff is to get a boot.bin from the device, crack it open to get kernel, initrd, commandline18:59
vgradeshadeslayer, if I can do it18:59
shadeslayeryeah, I'll figure it out eventually :D19:00
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vgradethen repack and flash back to the device see if it still boots19:00
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vgradethen replace the kernel with one with the right OPTIONS, flash back , it should still boot19:00
vgradethen change the commandline to suit with root= init=19:01
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vgradecxl000 has a good package for logging things with minimal systems19:01
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RaYmAnvgrade: the g9 image you mention..what is that compiled "for"? (e.g. neon etc?)19:03
Stskeepsprobably armv7 vfpv3-d1619:03
Stskeepsas that's standard mer19:03
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vgradeRaYmAn, http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_arm_install_archive/archos-generation-9/ 7l19:08
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RaYmAnCool, ty :)19:08
RaYmAnmight give it a try on my tfp19:08
vgradejust change the fstab to suit your sdcard19:10
vgradetfp is T3?19:11
RaYmAnyup19:11
vgradeI'm guessing it will fly19:11
vgradeeven without gles19:11
RaYmAnheh, yeah19:11
RaYmAngles should be possible too though :)19:12
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RaYmAnat least without hf19:12
vgradebeen trying to get T3 at work but no luck yet19:12
RaYmAnheh19:12
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RaYmAnit's kind of nice in some ways19:13
RaYmAnbut in so many other ways, it really is just t2 with twice as many cores19:13
Stskeepsi need to get a dual core ARM at some point :P19:13
RaYmAnlol19:13
* Stskeeps is still stuck in singlecore19:13
RaYmAndon't you have pandaboard?19:13
Stskeepsnop19:13
Stskeepsi could probably have had one thrown in my neck but i said i already had too much equipment19:13
Stskeeps:P19:13
RaYmAnlol19:13
RaYmAnjust make them send stuff you don't have room for to me then ;)19:14
Stskeepsi'll probably be cleaning out my closet at some point and pass around to people :P19:14
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RaYmAnheh19:15
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vgradeRaYmAn, 4+119:18
RaYmAntechnically 4+2 if you wanna go into details :P (the AVP is really just a low-powered armv6 cpu with some specialized instructions - possible a bit more hardware support)19:19
vgradeRaYmAn, what you running on it?19:20
RaYmAnstock ics for now19:20
shadeslayervgrade: uh, what are the required shell parameters that I need to export to get cross compile working?19:20
vgradedepends on which one19:21
vgradesec19:21
shadeslayerI installed gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf on ubuntu precise19:21
shadeslayerif that helps19:21
* shadeslayer googles a bit19:22
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vgradenot much, I have code sourcey, sec for link to my commandlines19:22
shadeslayerok19:22
vgradeabihf is that hardfp?19:23
shadeslayeryep19:23
vgradeG9 image is softfp19:24
vgradeI use make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- on my code sourcery19:24
vgradekernel is ok built hardfp I believe though19:25
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shadeslayervgrade: how does one check if it's using the correct toolchain?19:30
RaYmAnvgrade: is it not using a ramdisk?19:32
* RaYmAn isn't that familiar with Mer yet sadly :/19:32
Stskeepsif we can, we avoid ramdisks, they take up precious bootup time speed19:33
RaYmAnyeah, definitely :) Most embedded stuff just tend to use it in my experience19:33
zumbishadeslayer: $ gcc -dumpspecs | grep multilib_defaults -A219:33
zumbi*multilib_defaults:19:33
zumbimarm mlittle-endian mhard-float mno-thumb-interwork19:33
shadeslayermm nope, gives me m6419:34
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zumbithats intel19:34
shadeslayeryeah19:34
zumbis/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc/ or whatever compiler you got19:35
Stskeepswhich reminds me we should probably set the right triplet..19:35
shadeslayersauce|⇒ /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc -dumpspecs | grep multilib_defaults -A219:35
shadeslayer*multilib_defaults:marm mlittle-endian mhard-float mno-thumb-interwork19:35
shadeslayerbetter :P19:35
zumbivgrade: kernel is ARM ABI agnostic, it does not care about soft, softfp, or hard ABI, kernel is linux19:35
shadeslayerzumbi: I just aliased gcc to /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc19:37
vgradezumbi, yea I realised that after I asked19:37
shadeslayervgrade: I don't have a CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT , just a DEVTMPFS_MOUNT19:37
shadeslayershould work right?19:38
zumbishadeslayer: no, dont do that (dont alias gcc to cross compiler19:38
vgradecan you pastie19:38
shadeslayeroh19:38
shadeslayerzumbi: not sure how else to make it use the arm compiler then19:39
zumbiyour native compiler might fail then and cross compiler will not be able to find other toolchain components19:39
zumbishadeslayer: what are you trying to do?19:39
Stskeepsshadeslayer: make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- ARCH=arm ..19:39
Stskeepsif kernel19:40
zumbiif ubuntu too19:40
zumbior debian19:40
shadeslayerzumbi: trying to compile ASUS's android kernel so that I can use it to generate a initrd and a kernel19:40
zumbishadeslayer: then see Stskeeps comment19:40
shadeslayerok19:41
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* shadeslayer notes that down somewhere19:41
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shadeslayervgrade: http://paste.kde.org/44681019:52
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vgradeso you have CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT=y now20:00
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shadeslayeryeah, figured it out, the curses ui strips off the CONFIG_20:00
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shadeslayerjust shows DEVTMPFS_MOUNT20:01
shadeslayervgrade: also, I compiled it, but there's no zimage in arch/arm/boot/20:01
zumbishadeslayer: ls -l arch/arm/boot/ ?20:02
shadeslayerzumbi: http://paste.kde.org/446822/20:03
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shadeslayerbootp has this : http://paste.kde.org/446828/20:03
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zumbishadeslayer: it does not look like you got an image20:08
shadeslayeryeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out as well ...20:09
shadeslayerzumbi: any pointers as to what could be wrong?20:12
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zumbino idea, show the build log20:13
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zumbishadeslayer: Marcin just wrote this howto, http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2012/03/26/ubuntu-12-04-precise-and-cross-compilation-of-arm-kernels/20:14
zumbithat might help somehow20:14
shadeslayersawn20:15
shadeslayerbut that doesn't allow you to edit the config20:15
zumbiwell, actually it does not help in this case20:15
shadeslayeryep20:15
shadeslayerzumbi: http://paste.kde.org/446834/20:15
shadeslayerthat post is just for compiling the stock kernel for ARM machines20:15
shadeslayerthere's line 10220:16
zumbishadeslayer: actually the ubuntu kernel20:16
shadeslayerright, by stock I meant the stock ubuntu kernel20:16
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zumbishadeslayer: you got a symbol defined twice20:17
shadeslayeryeah, looking at arch/arm/mm/pageattr.c20:17
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shadeslayerzumbi: ok, these are 2 completely different functions, how should I proceed?20:24
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shadeslayerhttp://paste.kde.org/446840/20:25
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shadeslayermoar errors20:33
shadeslayer( just randomnly commented out one instance of the functions )20:33
shadeslayer*shrug*20:34
vgradeshadeslayer the stock kernel should compile out of the box20:34
shadeslayervgrade: the one from ASUS?20:34
shadeslayerit's all broken20:34
vgradeyea, stock kernel, stock .config file20:34
shadeslayerkernel/power/suspend.c:30:24: fatal error: mach/iomap.h: No such file or directory20:34
vgradeif it does not and does for others its your toolchain20:35
shadeslayerI'll look at it tomorrow20:35
vgradeif it does not for others its likely the kernel20:35
shadeslayerNeed to sleep :)20:35
shadeslayerthanks for all the help20:35
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