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| niqt | ping Stskeeps | 06:34 |
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| iekku | :) | 07:36 |
| * timoph curses whoever came up with the idea of changing the time twice a year | 07:37 | |
| Stskeeps | you first noticed today? ;p | 07:37 |
| timoph | yep :) | 07:38 |
| iekku | :D | 07:38 |
| Bostik | days are too short anyway, proper length would be ~26h | 07:38 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 08:13 |
| slaine | Morning Stskeeps | 08:13 |
| slaine | morning all | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | so did you get a package building on friday? | 08:14 |
| slaine | No time | 08:15 |
| slaine | had to run out to collect my son | 08:15 |
| slaine | I'll kick one off in a few mins | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | k | 08:15 |
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| mdfe_ | morning all | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | morn mdfe | 08:29 |
| lbt | morning all | 08:33 |
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| * lbt takes a deep breath after a pretty Mer-lite weekend :) | 08:34 | |
| lbt | alterego: ping | 08:35 |
| alterego | lbt: yes, sorry, today is the day I promise! :P | 08:36 |
| lbt | hehe - no worries ... I know you're busy | 08:36 |
| alterego | Only three more days of work | 08:36 |
| alterego | Then I have April off :D | 08:36 |
| alterego | Going Skiing in France on Thursday for a week though. | 08:37 |
| lbt | sounds rather pleasant | 08:37 |
| lbt | oooh | 08:37 |
| * lbt jealous | 08:37 | |
| lbt | a no-ski year for me this year ... | 08:37 |
| alterego | I've not been in years, so very much looking forward to it. | 08:37 |
| lbt | yeah, and this time of year is blue skies too - yummy | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: any pre-releases are no-go right now, something backfired | 08:38 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK | 08:38 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I moved imbackup ... just figuring a way to verify it | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:39 |
| lbt | I also copied merreleases - but need to ensure I know what you do with it | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | define moved | 08:39 |
| lbt | copied and umounted on monster | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:39 |
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| lbt | commented out from fstab until we say "yep, good copy" | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | merreleases is ssh for rsync of releases, and exported on rsync and www | 08:39 |
| lbt | *nod* ... it has git too | 08:40 |
| lbt | not sure how that gets in there - just rsync'ed from createrelease.sh ? | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | packages-git is gerrit rsyncing to it | 08:40 |
| lbt | good - so that can move but we need to tweak gerrit | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | right | 08:41 |
| lbt | well, it's all copied so rsync should be easy now | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | how did you copy, out of curiousity? | 08:42 |
| lbt | tar | gzip -1 | socat | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:43 |
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| lbt | alterego: nb .... if you prepare a wiki backup for me and scp it to the VM then I'll try to get it up. Once I've done that once then we can do it again with a sync/switch | 08:46 |
| alterego | Sounds good | 08:47 |
| alterego | I need to do some work for a few hours and I'll ping you early afternoon about 1ish | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | lock wiki meantime? | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | during backup, that is | 08:47 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: just a trial run to see if we can do it. | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | k | 08:47 |
| lbt | *nod* | 08:47 |
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| Bostik | what just went wrong? trying to setup sb2 for armv7l (NOT 7hl) and I get installation error on first binary package for mismatching architecture | 09:12 |
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| Stskeeps | where is that in? SDK? | 09:13 |
| Bostik | yup, I've followed the instructions to the letter from wiki | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | show me log please | 09:13 |
| Bostik | coming up | 09:13 |
| niqt | i havew reinstalled the sdk, now if i run osc ls i have: "Server returned an error: HTTP Error 401: Authorization Required" | 09:17 |
| lbt | niqt: that typically means it's not using your ~/.oscrc | 09:17 |
| lbt | niqt: can you verify that when you are in the SDK you can : ls -laF ~/.oscrc | 09:18 |
| niqt | o_O | 09:18 |
| lbt | ? | 09:19 |
| niqt | ls -laF ~/.oscrc | 09:20 |
| niqt | -rw------- 1 nicola 1000 4863 Feb 23 14:13 /home/nicola/.oscrc | 09:20 |
| lbt | ok | 09:20 |
| Bostik | pastebin acting up, not accepting captcha (cookies allowed, js allowed...) | 09:20 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/ | 09:20 |
| Bostik | http://pastebin.com/4uwLedyL | 09:20 |
| Bostik | finally | 09:20 |
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| lbt | Bostik: I'll take a look | 09:21 |
| Bostik | any logfiles from the chroot I can provide? | 09:21 |
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| lbt | niqt: osc --http-debug ls | 09:21 |
| lbt | but hide the session cookie | 09:22 |
| niqt | lbt: resolved, in osc was my local user password | 09:24 |
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| lbt | niqt: cool :) | 09:25 |
| lbt | niqt: just in case... you know about aliases in ~/.oscrc ? | 09:26 |
| niqt | no, i don't know | 09:26 |
| lbt | each [https://api] section can have a value like | 09:27 |
| lbt | aliases=<something> | 09:27 |
| lbt | eg aliases=cobs | 09:28 |
| lbt | then : osc -A cobs ls | 09:28 |
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| lbt | so I have aliases for local, cobs, meego, suse, merci | 09:28 |
| lbt | Bostik: OK | 09:28 |
| niqt | ok | 09:28 |
| niqt | thanks | 09:28 |
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| lbt | Bostik: what is etc/rpm/platform inside the target? | 09:31 |
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| Bostik | lbt: no such file, which sounds a bit odd (the bug only referred to 7hl which I don't need here) | 09:34 |
| Bostik | oh, target... | 09:35 |
| lbt | the file isn't normally needed - it's an override for rpm | 09:35 |
| Bostik | right, no file there either | 09:35 |
| lbt | I'm checking in case you followed the instructions :) | 09:35 |
| lbt | damn :) | 09:35 |
| Bostik | I followed them, and truly read everything to figure out what's necessary | 09:35 |
| lbt | so you skipped: echo -n "armv7hl-meego-linux" > etc/rpm/platform | 09:36 |
| lbt | ? | 09:36 |
| lbt | which is kinda sane :) | 09:36 |
| Bostik | correct | 09:36 |
| lbt | so can you try with armv7l - which .... doesn't make sense | 09:36 |
| Bostik | needed to adapt for 7l case? | 09:36 |
| Bostik | will do, momento uno | 09:37 |
| lbt | you'll need to rerun the rebuilddb and ref --force | 09:37 |
| Bostik | ... -n ? | 09:37 |
| Bostik | really? if no such file? | 09:37 |
| lbt | oh the -n is no-newline | 09:37 |
| Bostik | yeah, I know | 09:38 |
| Bostik | sounds a bit ... fragile if that really can't deal with trailing newline :) | 09:38 |
| lbt | this *is* rpm | 09:38 |
| lbt | and I just didn't edit the upstream instructions | 09:38 |
| Bostik | zypper ref --force gives the same error | 09:39 |
| Bostik | and installing glibc-devel errors out again in exact same way | 09:39 |
| lbt | that's not a problem | 09:39 |
| lbt | OK ... so another one | 09:40 |
| Bostik | hmmm... an idea | 09:40 |
| Bostik | nope, wasn't a mixed download either; clean did not help | 09:40 |
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| lbt | echo 'arch = armv7l' >> etc/zypp/zypp.conf | 09:44 |
| lbt | aimed into the target | 09:44 |
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| Bostik | nope, no change; redid --rebuilddb + ref --force | 09:46 |
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| lbt | OK, I'll try to reproduce it | 09:49 |
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| lbt | Bostik: any chance you have multiple targets? | 09:53 |
| Bostik | lbt: nope, just this one | 09:53 |
| lbt | OK | 09:53 |
| lbt | downloading mic files now ... slowly | 09:55 |
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| lbt | Bostik: good - same problem here | 10:14 |
| Bostik | at least we're in sync | 10:14 |
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| lbt | Bostik: In the SDK can you : cat /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer/etc/rpm/platform | 10:29 |
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| Bostik | lbt: yes, result is what I added there earlier | 10:35 |
| Bostik | $ cat /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer/etc/rpm/platform | 10:35 |
| Bostik | armv7hl-meego-linuxbostik@plop:/parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer$ | 10:35 |
| Bostik | oh, "7hl" | 10:35 |
| Bostik | wtf | 10:35 |
| lbt | :) | 10:35 |
| lbt | can you remove that file | 10:35 |
| Bostik | done | 10:35 |
| lbt | I think it is needed btw | 10:36 |
| lbt | but obviously with armv7l :) | 10:36 |
| Bostik | testing... | 10:36 |
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| Bostik | although it still errors out as before | 10:37 |
| lbt | yep | 10:37 |
| lbt | echo "armv7l-meego-linux" >/parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer/etc/rpm/platform | 10:37 |
| Bostik | did, no change | 10:38 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3670938 | 10:39 |
| lbt | ah shit | 10:39 |
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| lbt | what directory are you in? | 10:40 |
| lbt | cd /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer ? | 10:40 |
| Bostik | rrright, everything was otherwise correct | 10:40 |
| Bostik | the filename had a typo | 10:41 |
| Bostik | installation went okay | 10:41 |
| lbt | phew | 10:41 |
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| lbt | so is the typo in the wiki or did you do it? | 10:41 |
| Bostik | this stupid keyboard occasionally misses a stroke when certain sequences are done rapidly | 10:42 |
| Bostik | apparently "platform" is one of those, 't' was eaten | 10:42 |
| lbt | yeah, mine too - some keys in the middle - y/7 for me :) | 10:42 |
| Bostik | 'y' in particular, yes (I always find myself having written "waland") | 10:43 |
| lbt | so that platform file is needed for arm7l too - odd | 10:44 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: Mer bug triage in 15min? | 10:47 |
| lbt | yep | 10:47 |
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| Bostik | lbt: thank you | 10:58 |
| lbt | np - I updated the bug and the wiki too | 10:58 |
| lbt | are you getting this deployed a bit internally ? | 10:59 |
| Bostik | for a very specific use only | 11:01 |
| Bostik | I'll tell you shortly, now a meeting | 11:01 |
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| Bostik | lbt: right, one of our guys needs to do a very rapid rebuild-hack-redeploy -round for a piece of software which takes *ages* to build in an OBS cycle; the results have to be tested on target device, so I need to instruct him and his team on how to use mer-sdk + sb2 to get this done so that their development history is not thrashed by any steps in this cycle | 11:10 |
| Bostik | if I can cut the ..-hack-..-hack-.. cycle turnover time down to minutes, he can use this | 11:10 |
| lbt | *nod* - I'm really keen to see how and where the sdk/sb2 stuff is useful | 11:11 |
| Bostik | I'll provide a cleaned up guide to monster hacks once I know how this is done :) | 11:12 |
| lbt | the goal is to do something like "osc setup_target <packageA> <packageB> <packageC>" | 11:14 |
| lbt | that will pull OBS build-deps down and zypper in to the target for *all* A,B,C | 11:14 |
| Bostik | yum! | 11:15 |
| lbt | then you can hack on the target with all 3 tarballs - although there are issues with make install on A before being able to build B | 11:15 |
| lbt | anyhow .... I'm in the bug triage talking to myself at the moment ... | 11:15 |
| lbt | in #mer-meeting if anyone else is interested :) | 11:16 |
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| mdfe_ | lbt: hi | 11:28 |
| lbt | hey mdfe_ | 11:28 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: I have a question to sb2 init stuff | 11:29 |
| lbt | sure ... | 11:29 |
| lbt | (just doing bug triage so I'm a touch laggy) | 11:29 |
| mdfe_ | I tried to build a pvr-kernel and by this I need the sources of my device kernel | 11:29 |
| mdfe_ | then I wonder why my kernel sources cannot found by pvr-kernel | 11:30 |
| lbt | they're not in $HOME are they | 11:31 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Directory_Mappings | 11:31 |
| mdfe_ | then I detected the kernel sources are installed on another path as I packaged it | 11:31 |
| mdfe_ | before /usr/kernel/..... | 11:32 |
| lbt | yeah - we need to make this easier... | 11:32 |
| mdfe_ | and installed to /target/usr/kernels/.... | 11:32 |
| lbt | I want to have a simple "these directories have src - make them work properly in the target" | 11:33 |
| mdfe_ | hm | 11:33 |
| lbt | does the link make sense? | 11:34 |
| lbt | #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232 - qmf should be updated to latest upstream | 11:34 |
| mdfe_ | its voodoo | 11:34 |
| lbt | basically, yes | 11:34 |
| mdfe_ | I do not like voodoo | 11:34 |
| mdfe_ | ;) | 11:34 |
| mdfe_ | do you got what I mean? | 11:35 |
| lbt | yes | 11:36 |
| mdfe_ | I package source files and thery are installed in a diffenrent directory | 11:36 |
| mdfe_ | no big deal, but it took a while to figure out what going wrong | 11:37 |
| lbt | let me double check here | 11:37 |
| lbt | you have an SDK with the kernel source unpacked into /usr/kernels/ | 11:37 |
| mdfe_ | please see https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=pvr-archos-gen9-kernel&project=Project%3AKDE%3AMer_Extras%3AAdaptation%3AArchos-gen9&repository=Mer_Extras_armv7l | 11:37 |
| mdfe_ | even in obs | 11:38 |
| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=235 | 11:38 |
| mdfe_ | yepp | 11:39 |
| mdfe_ | thats it | 11:39 |
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| mdfe_ | the stuff is stored in /target/usr/scr/kernels | 11:39 |
| lbt | mmm | 11:40 |
| lbt | no, I think it isn't - and that's the problem | 11:40 |
| mdfe_ | but the package content is /usr/src/kernels | 11:40 |
| mdfe_ | imho its related to SB2 voodoo | 11:41 |
| lbt | yes, it is | 11:41 |
| mdfe_ | *g* | 11:41 |
| lbt | essentially it means that code that installs t | 11:41 |
| mdfe_ | I will write a comment in this bug | 11:41 |
| lbt | o /usr/src won't work | 11:41 |
| lbt | but ... you shouldn't be doing that anyway ..... I don't think | 11:42 |
| mdfe_ | hmm | 11:42 |
| mdfe_ | so what is right way do package kernel source stuff? | 11:42 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step#Make_a_kernel_package | 11:43 |
| lbt | but that's community driven | 11:43 |
| lbt | so it may need some debate and modification | 11:43 |
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| lbt | mdfe_: if you want to comment on #235 and then we'll raise it to high | 11:44 |
| lbt | just don't want to blat your comment | 11:44 |
| mdfe_ | :D | 11:44 |
| mdfe_ | thx | 11:45 |
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| lbt | mdfe_: are you posting to #235 ? - include a snip from that log too if you are | 11:54 |
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| mdfe_ | ok | 11:58 |
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| mdfe_ | lbt: done | 12:00 |
| lbt | raised | 12:01 |
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| slaine | This look reasonable for a local Mer:Core:i586 proj xml ? | 12:01 |
| slaine | http://pastebin.com/6jGYrjiS | 12:01 |
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| mdfe_ | thanks lbt :) | 12:05 |
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| lbt | alterego: DB dump reminder ping | 13:31 |
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| alterego | lbt: got it, 6.7M | 13:35 |
| alterego | Where do you want it? | 13:35 |
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| lbt | can you login to the wiki VM still ? | 13:36 |
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| alterego | Strangely enough, no :) | 13:37 |
| lbt | hehe | 13:37 |
| alterego | Seems to be something wrong with my key file. | 13:38 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, did you alter anything on mer infra with ssh btw? | 13:46 |
| lbt | possibly - since when? | 13:46 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Web_Infrastructure/Policy#SSH_Keys seems correct | 13:47 |
| lbt | port 2222 is the only change (and we're talking weeks ago) | 13:47 |
| lbt | alterego: so now scp should be OK | 13:47 |
| alterego | Done | 13:47 |
| alterego | The database backup is in my home directory. | 13:47 |
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| lbt | thanks | 13:47 |
| alterego | Hrm, | 13:48 |
| alterego | I really need to reflash my personal N9, but I'm paranoid about data loss . | 13:48 |
| alterego | So I'm going to have to go through every app and make sure all the data is in the backup. | 13:48 |
| lbt | :) | 13:48 |
| lbt | really must look at that problem on Nemo too | 13:49 |
| alterego | I think I might do a backup, then try to install that backup on my other N9 | 13:50 |
| alterego | And check the data. | 13:50 |
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| Timmy | any x86 version of nemo for netbooks? | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | Timmy: there's a x86 version but if you want to use it as a netbook, it's not really the right interface :) | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | x86 port should boot fine on typical atom hw though | 14:59 |
| swisstomcat | hi stskeeps | 14:59 |
| swisstomcat | i'm checking out the #mer channel | 15:00 |
| swisstomcat | (@twtomcat from twitter) | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | swisstomcat: yep, good to see you here :) | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | don't hestitate to ask any questions | 15:00 |
| swisstomcat | sure | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | Timmy: what are you hoping to do? | 15:01 |
| swisstomcat | is mer involved with project grande in any way? | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | swisstomcat: project grande is an idea i came up with last summer, well, brewing on for a while and one of the pieces to make that idea come through was a minimal core that was easy to put everywhere | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | swisstomcat: hence Mer had to be constructed :) | 15:02 |
| swisstomcat | ah, interesting! | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | me and alterego has been working on the stuff off and on since | 15:02 |
| swisstomcat | i'm really interested in this stuff | 15:02 |
| Timmy | installing newer updates of meego on my netbook Stskeeps | 15:02 |
| swisstomcat | the post-apps future | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | Timmy: ah, so, we have a dawati.org build somewhere i think | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | that's meego ux continuation, which you'd probably also see in tizen | 15:02 |
| swisstomcat | are you going to be at front trends 2012? | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | swisstomcat: basically every single idea i had for doing something beyond the status quo of smartphones, incl business models, required this open core and so far the work is looking quite good :) | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: what was the URL for your state transfer video? | 15:03 |
| * alterego shrugs .. ."Hang on" ;) | 15:03 | |
| alterego | This one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F_VBjdeyQY | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that one | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | swisstomcat: hmm, front trends, let me look it up | 15:05 |
| swisstomcat | it's in warsaw | 15:05 |
| swisstomcat | and i'm going to be there | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | "event is sold out" | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | damn | 15:05 |
| swisstomcat | doh | 15:05 |
| swisstomcat | i might be able to get you in | 15:05 |
| swisstomcat | if you're interested | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, for sure | 15:06 |
| swisstomcat | or we could meet up anyway | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's not often conferences of interest come to warsaw | 15:06 |
| swisstomcat | true | 15:06 |
| swisstomcat | last year was very good | 15:06 |
| alterego | You get conferences in Warsaw? | 15:06 |
| alterego | In Poland? | 15:06 |
| * alterego chuckles | 15:06 | |
| Stskeeps | well, we have prices 1/4th of typical western countries and an airport nearby | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | also, booze is cheap | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:07 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:07 |
| alterego | And bears. | 15:07 |
| swisstomcat | front-trends 2011 was very nice | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | ah, over on the other side of the river | 15:07 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: i should send you a good polish vodka at some point.. | 15:07 |
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| w00t | they exist? | 15:08 |
| w00t | :P | 15:08 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:09 |
| alterego | I've had some Polish Vodka actually. | 15:09 |
| alterego | One with some grass in it. | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | swisstomcat: well, if i'm able to get in, i'd go - else we can probably meet up for dinner or the likes | 15:09 |
| swisstomcat | cool | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | swisstomcat: i'll make a mental note to watch this conference for next year for sure | 15:09 |
| swisstomcat | i definitly would! | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | (i'm based 5km from the venue) | 15:09 |
| swisstomcat | excellent .. let's meet up in any case | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 15:10 |
| * Stskeeps puts it on calendar | 15:10 | |
| bigbluehat | glad you guys are meeting up :) Sad I can't be a fly on the wall there. ;) | 15:11 |
| swisstomcat | hehe | 15:11 |
| swisstomcat | we can report afterwards | 15:11 |
| swisstomcat | :) | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | moving back to grande though, we're right now mostly prototyping and seeing what can be done - with Mer we can quite easily prototype on a wide variety of devices, it's 'just' a UX on top anyway | 15:12 |
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| Stskeeps | the idea is to end up with a simple understandable runtime where it's easy to move from doing for example html5 apps to be doing this kind of 'futuristic' experiences | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | utilizing same tools and methods | 15:13 |
| swisstomcat | right | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | though i think webos is also doing a bit of the same :) | 15:14 |
| swisstomcat | quick prototyping is very good | 15:14 |
| swisstomcat | so "mer core" already exists as an installable thing? | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | sure, want to see what it's capable of? | 15:14 |
| swisstomcat | sure .. what do i need? | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | youtube ;) | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | just to understand: mer's a core, we don't contain UI or hardware adaptation, you mix core+hardware adaptation and you get a bootable image, you mix core+hardware adaptation+ui and you have a device with UI | 15:15 |
| swisstomcat | right | 15:16 |
| bigbluehat | swisstomcat: thing #mer+Nyx+webOS :) | 15:16 |
| swisstomcat | so mer core is linux+? | 15:16 |
| swisstomcat | or more? | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | mer core is basically a common userland, suited towards mobile usage | 15:17 |
| swisstomcat | (i see that plasma active uses mer?) | 15:17 |
| swisstomcat | so linux+mobile userland | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | right | 15:17 |
| swisstomcat | what does it do in terms of a RIL? | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | we're ofono based at the moment | 15:17 |
| swisstomcat | (because that's usually a pain point) | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | many of us come from meego originally | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | but we're not tied to it | 15:18 |
| swisstomcat | i see | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eak4T649uDg&feature=youtu.be is Nemo, on N900 hardware adaptation (handset UI) | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | er, on N950, i mean | 15:18 |
| swisstomcat | so .. why is b2g not build on top of mer for example? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | there's people already running b2g on top of mer :) | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | but if you want to know, because they wanted to get quickly demoable stuff so they made their gonk/android derived stuff | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | so they could leverage hardware adaptations from android | 15:19 |
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| swisstomcat | hmm, ok | 15:19 |
| swisstomcat | how much hardware adaption is available for mer? | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | mer's not just code though, we're also systems, for example QA tools, automated image builds, build farm software, et | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | c | 15:20 |
| swisstomcat | yeah, also important | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | there's a fair bit, incl one on HP Touchpad, but it's not fully functional | 15:21 |
| swisstomcat | oh really? | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's on the list there | 15:21 |
| swisstomcat | this is all new to me .. i guess tizen and b2g are getting all the love these days | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | qualcomm is always a bit of a pain for anything that's done in the open | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | but if you have a company and ability to do NDAs and contracts with your chip vendor, mer also works with that | 15:21 |
| swisstomcat | right | 15:22 |
| swisstomcat | so where would i find the touchpad info? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, thought i pasted the url | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace | 15:23 |
| swisstomcat | thanks | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | there's also http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/Touchpad | 15:24 |
| swisstomcat | maybe i can do some experiments on the touchpad | 15:24 |
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| swisstomcat | i also have an archos G8 80 | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | we have adaptation for G9 at least, i can't recall the story of G8 | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, many of these adaptations aren't really official, but the same methods are those you'd use if you were a company and making a device with mer | 15:25 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: a key difference between Mer and many other distros is that we're very much vendor-oriented whilst also being vendor-agnostic; so sure, we provide code - but almost *more* important is that we're structured to support product development against Mer | 15:26 |
| swisstomcat | oops, i meant G9 80 | 15:27 |
| swisstomcat | i understand | 15:27 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: In the same way you take the linux kernel and use it in a product - you'd take the Mer software and systems stack and use them too | 15:27 |
| swisstomcat | webOS is heading a similar direction i think | 15:27 |
| lbt | *nod* | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | ah, G9 should be able to run mer quite well, waiting for the SDE to be published | 15:27 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: We've done a lot of work on developing things like OBS and other systems to support automation | 15:28 |
| swisstomcat | which is a big part of the picture | 15:28 |
| swisstomcat | but usually you don't see | 15:28 |
| lbt | after all - whilst we may build code for Mer - we build systems and tools for many other distro targets! | 15:28 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: yes, indeed | 15:29 |
| swisstomcat | this whole "lack of collaboration" stskeeps is talking about is becoming more and more apparent to me | 15:29 |
| swisstomcat | everyone working on the same building blocks | 15:29 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: and you probably realise that much of the systems stuff for product development comes from time-served in Nokia making s few devices | 15:29 |
| lbt | yup | 15:29 |
| lbt | we were really pleased when MeeGo didn't invent their own build system | 15:30 |
| swisstomcat | and now nokia is quite clearly jumping ship in this area | 15:30 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: they are indeed publicly jumping ship | 15:30 |
| swisstomcat | going away from qt/meegoo and the like (and also open source it seems) | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | well, qt not so much | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | qt-project is impressively active | 15:30 |
| swisstomcat | true | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | meego is stone dead, for sure | 15:31 |
| swisstomcat | but "open technology" in general | 15:31 |
| swisstomcat | it seems | 15:31 |
| swisstomcat | windows phone doesn't seem like a good "cultural" fit | 15:31 |
| swisstomcat | for a company like nokia | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. well, let's see what happens for them | 15:32 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: well, I wouldn't hold my breath for a return to the maemo days - but their current strategy is proving a challenge | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | meego was good in a way that a lot of development tools and techniques got pushed to the open | 15:32 |
| alterego | It's not over until the large women sings. | 15:32 |
| lbt | yep - and we just wandered along and kept them alive :) | 15:32 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: so you're part of the hp crowd? | 15:33 |
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| swisstomcat | lbt: yeah .. i work for webOS developer relations | 15:33 |
| lbt | heh - I guess I have a similar role in Mer :) | 15:33 |
| lbt | 'vendor relations' | 15:33 |
| swisstomcat | sounds good :) | 15:33 |
| swisstomcat | so we should keep in touch | 15:34 |
| lbt | but it's more about keeping an eye on mer and making sure we stay vendor oriented | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | probably derailing a bit, lbt, so where did imbackup get moved to_ | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 15:34 |
| lbt | so trying to track how mer is used and look for issues that affect vendors or areas we need to resolve | 15:34 |
| lbt | phost2 | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: there's one failure left in mips arch (libpciaccess didn't compile!) and after that i think we can make a prerelease | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | wonder how that slipped by the build checks | 15:35 |
| lbt | mips isn't ci'ed ? | 15:35 |
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| Stskeeps | it must not have been when i evaluated libpciaccess upgrade | 15:36 |
| lbt | did you add it? | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | i added it for good measure at some point yes | 15:36 |
| lbt | OK | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | (lately) | 15:36 |
| * lbt crosses it off his list | 15:36 | |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if tizen talk results come today | 15:37 | |
| lbt | swisstomcat: I guess webos is pretty much sorted when it comes to build systems? But what's the story from WebOS when I want to build a device? in terms of what do I setup internally? | 15:37 |
| swisstomcat | the build system is far from sorted out | 15:38 |
| lbt | really .... | 15:38 |
| swisstomcat | they're working to upgrade to a better system | 15:38 |
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| lbt | in that case we really *should* talk | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: it seems to me they're taking a bit of a top down approach | 15:39 |
| swisstomcat | or get you in touch with the correct people | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | enyo framework -> nyx HAL -> core | 15:39 |
| swisstomcat | i think they're using OE for historical reasons | 15:39 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: *nod* | 15:39 |
| swisstomcat | so yocto might be a possibility | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't be surprised to see a yocto rebase myself | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | heh, was just writing that when you said it | 15:40 |
| swisstomcat | heh | 15:40 |
| lbt | yeah - but it's painful for real product work | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | it's really a challenge to adapt new development tools / breaking your team's habits | 15:40 |
| swisstomcat | maybe i should connect you to some guys in engineering? | 15:40 |
| lbt | yeah | 15:40 |
| swisstomcat | to talk about build stuff | 15:40 |
| alterego | Yeah, look at us maemo folks, how many people did we lose from maemo -> meego? :) | 15:40 |
| swisstomcat | i don't really understand most of it :) | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: well, that was partially stubbornness to accept that hildon-gtk was stone dead.. | 15:41 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: you can tell them that 3 of us manage all of Mer's infra and build systems for 7 architectures | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:41 |
| swisstomcat | nice | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | on a 210eur/month infra budget | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:41 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: hildon, .deb vs .rpm, etc, etc.. :) | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: yeah.. that too | 15:42 |
| lbt | swisstomcat: high efficiency -> low cost -> competitive | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: i think things would have looked different if qml had arrived earlier | 15:42 |
| alterego | Indeed, QML was a bit of a curve ball | 15:42 |
| alterego | Wasn't really expecting it. | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i had to revert sb2 upgrade, the new fakeroot caused a stall in build-compare, BTW | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think we'll make the defining feature of this prerelease the new glibc | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | as it requires a bit of proper testing against vendor images | 15:44 |
| lbt | OK | 15:44 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: how does 20120504 sound as expected next release? | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: how does 20120405 sound i mean ;) | 15:49 |
| lbt | 0405 :) | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | because then we can get proper testing going and qt5 reviewed properly | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | bbl walking at the beach | 15:52 |
| swisstomcat | nice :) | 15:53 |
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| swisstomcat | i wonder if a startup is needed to push things in the ubiquitus computing area | 16:01 |
| swisstomcat | with real-live applications for it | 16:01 |
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| swisstomcat | based on mobile linux+html5 | 16:02 |
| swisstomcat | +web | 16:02 |
| swisstomcat | +semantic web | 16:02 |
| swisstomcat | and stuff | 16:02 |
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| Stskeeps | swisstomcat: wife insisted i took a small vacation since i'm between contract so trying out polish coast for some days :) | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | swisstomcat: my belief is that only way you could pull it off is by a bunch of SME's getting together to make interesting products, especially considering how approachable it is to get ODM's to make devices these days | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | ie, work together on common parts, differentiate on own qualities | 16:40 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: ah, which part of the coast? many nice places there | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: kolobzreg | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | (sp) | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | went through poznan yesterday | 16:45 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 16:45 |
| dm8tbr | never been there | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | it's fairly nice, but a bit of a tourist trap | 16:46 |
| * dm8tbr likes the triple city | 16:46 | |
| dm8tbr | sopot is a tourist trap too, but it's easy to veer out of main street and find nice places or go to gdańsk or gdynia | 16:46 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:47 |
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| * bigbluehat just read the backlog...and is thus, inspired :) | 16:57 | |
| Stskeeps | to take a vacation? :P | 16:58 |
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| alterego | Hrm, working on actual message protocol/format now | 17:02 |
| alterego | I always hate implementing things as state machines. | 17:03 |
| bigbluehat | Stskeeps: yeah, take a vacation and hack on any number of HTML5 OS/UI ideas :) | 17:09 |
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| shadeslayer | vgrade: back? | 18:39 |
| vgrade | sec | 18:39 |
| shadeslayer | sure | 18:39 |
| * shadeslayer found something interesting, but is not sure if it's relevant | 18:39 | |
| vgrade | ok, so your on ASUS transformer? | 18:44 |
| shadeslayer | vgrade: http://paulburton.eu/git/?p=tf101/kernel.git;a=summary << found this | 18:46 |
| shadeslayer | and was discussing it with the folks over at #asus-transformer and they said that it should work | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | but they haven't tried it themselves | 18:47 |
| vgrade | I would get something up on sw raster first then we can start with matching tegra kernel and userspace drives | 18:48 |
| vgrade | if we start with thet we will be on a hiding to nothing | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 18:48 |
| vgrade | so you have some kernel source from ASUS | 18:49 |
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| shadeslayer | vgrade: those are the android kernel sources | 18:49 |
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| vgrade | and you have access to nvflash to the device? | 18:49 |
| vgrade | andriod kernels work fine once you set the right options :) | 18:49 |
| shadeslayer | nope, I have CWM installed which allows me to flash the kernel and the rootfs onto the required partitions | 18:50 |
| shadeslayer | :) | 18:50 |
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| vgrade | ok , rebuild the kernel with these options, and patches, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide | 18:51 |
| * shadeslayer looks | 18:51 | |
| vgrade | then set your commandline to set root=/dev/mmcblkxpx or whatever your sdcard is recognised as. You can find that out from dmesg from an andriod booted system using adb | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer | yep, know that already | 18:52 |
| vgrade | and init=/bin/systemd | 18:53 |
| vgrade | you will need to edit the fstab on the G9 image to suit | 18:53 |
| RaYmAn | vgrade: sadly, no nvflash yet on newer tf101s :( | 18:53 |
| RaYmAn | it's something you really miss, lol | 18:53 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer | didn't realize you were here as well :P | 18:54 |
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| Sage_ | vgrade: know anyone that have booted Mer on Galaxy Nexus (Omap4) | 18:54 |
| vgrade | RaYmAn, but at least they opened the bl | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer | you guys are like omniscent in all the ARM channels :P | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer | vgrade: only on the prime | 18:54 |
| RaYmAn | I've idled here for like a year , lol | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer | vgrade: any news on the Pi's btw? It's been like forever | 18:55 |
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| vgrade | Sage_, no, not that one, does it have open bl. Should be doable if so. | 18:55 |
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| Sage_ | vgrade: Well I tried to boot one but wasn't able to get anything to the screen during boot so no idea what goes on there | 18:56 |
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| vgrade | Sage_, yea rather difficult with no boot screen or bootlog | 18:58 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | vgrade: note that I've never built a kernel before btw :P | 18:59 |
| vgrade | my workflow with andriod stuff is to get a boot.bin from the device, crack it open to get kernel, initrd, commandline | 18:59 |
| vgrade | shadeslayer, if I can do it | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | yeah, I'll figure it out eventually :D | 19:00 |
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| vgrade | then repack and flash back to the device see if it still boots | 19:00 |
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| vgrade | then replace the kernel with one with the right OPTIONS, flash back , it should still boot | 19:00 |
| vgrade | then change the commandline to suit with root= init= | 19:01 |
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| vgrade | cxl000 has a good package for logging things with minimal systems | 19:01 |
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| RaYmAn | vgrade: the g9 image you mention..what is that compiled "for"? (e.g. neon etc?) | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | probably armv7 vfpv3-d16 | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | as that's standard mer | 19:03 |
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| vgrade | RaYmAn, http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_arm_install_archive/archos-generation-9/ 7l | 19:08 |
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| RaYmAn | Cool, ty :) | 19:08 |
| RaYmAn | might give it a try on my tfp | 19:08 |
| vgrade | just change the fstab to suit your sdcard | 19:10 |
| vgrade | tfp is T3? | 19:11 |
| RaYmAn | yup | 19:11 |
| vgrade | I'm guessing it will fly | 19:11 |
| vgrade | even without gles | 19:11 |
| RaYmAn | heh, yeah | 19:11 |
| RaYmAn | gles should be possible too though :) | 19:12 |
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| RaYmAn | at least without hf | 19:12 |
| vgrade | been trying to get T3 at work but no luck yet | 19:12 |
| RaYmAn | heh | 19:12 |
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| RaYmAn | it's kind of nice in some ways | 19:13 |
| RaYmAn | but in so many other ways, it really is just t2 with twice as many cores | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | i need to get a dual core ARM at some point :P | 19:13 |
| RaYmAn | lol | 19:13 |
| * Stskeeps is still stuck in singlecore | 19:13 | |
| RaYmAn | don't you have pandaboard? | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | i could probably have had one thrown in my neck but i said i already had too much equipment | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:13 |
| RaYmAn | lol | 19:13 |
| RaYmAn | just make them send stuff you don't have room for to me then ;) | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'll probably be cleaning out my closet at some point and pass around to people :P | 19:14 |
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| RaYmAn | heh | 19:15 |
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| vgrade | RaYmAn, 4+1 | 19:18 |
| RaYmAn | technically 4+2 if you wanna go into details :P (the AVP is really just a low-powered armv6 cpu with some specialized instructions - possible a bit more hardware support) | 19:19 |
| vgrade | RaYmAn, what you running on it? | 19:20 |
| RaYmAn | stock ics for now | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | vgrade: uh, what are the required shell parameters that I need to export to get cross compile working? | 19:20 |
| vgrade | depends on which one | 19:21 |
| vgrade | sec | 19:21 |
| shadeslayer | I installed gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf on ubuntu precise | 19:21 |
| shadeslayer | if that helps | 19:21 |
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| vgrade | not much, I have code sourcey, sec for link to my commandlines | 19:22 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 19:22 |
| vgrade | abihf is that hardfp? | 19:23 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 19:23 |
| vgrade | G9 image is softfp | 19:24 |
| vgrade | I use make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- on my code sourcery | 19:24 |
| vgrade | kernel is ok built hardfp I believe though | 19:25 |
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| shadeslayer | vgrade: how does one check if it's using the correct toolchain? | 19:30 |
| RaYmAn | vgrade: is it not using a ramdisk? | 19:32 |
| * RaYmAn isn't that familiar with Mer yet sadly :/ | 19:32 | |
| Stskeeps | if we can, we avoid ramdisks, they take up precious bootup time speed | 19:33 |
| RaYmAn | yeah, definitely :) Most embedded stuff just tend to use it in my experience | 19:33 |
| zumbi | shadeslayer: $ gcc -dumpspecs | grep multilib_defaults -A2 | 19:33 |
| zumbi | *multilib_defaults: | 19:33 |
| zumbi | marm mlittle-endian mhard-float mno-thumb-interwork | 19:33 |
| shadeslayer | mm nope, gives me m64 | 19:34 |
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| zumbi | thats intel | 19:34 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 19:34 |
| zumbi | s/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc/ or whatever compiler you got | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | which reminds me we should probably set the right triplet.. | 19:35 |
| shadeslayer | sauce|⇒ /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc -dumpspecs | grep multilib_defaults -A2 | 19:35 |
| shadeslayer | *multilib_defaults:marm mlittle-endian mhard-float mno-thumb-interwork | 19:35 |
| shadeslayer | better :P | 19:35 |
| zumbi | vgrade: kernel is ARM ABI agnostic, it does not care about soft, softfp, or hard ABI, kernel is linux | 19:35 |
| shadeslayer | zumbi: I just aliased gcc to /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc | 19:37 |
| vgrade | zumbi, yea I realised that after I asked | 19:37 |
| shadeslayer | vgrade: I don't have a CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT , just a DEVTMPFS_MOUNT | 19:37 |
| shadeslayer | should work right? | 19:38 |
| zumbi | shadeslayer: no, dont do that (dont alias gcc to cross compiler | 19:38 |
| vgrade | can you pastie | 19:38 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 19:38 |
| shadeslayer | zumbi: not sure how else to make it use the arm compiler then | 19:39 |
| zumbi | your native compiler might fail then and cross compiler will not be able to find other toolchain components | 19:39 |
| zumbi | shadeslayer: what are you trying to do? | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | shadeslayer: make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- ARCH=arm .. | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | if kernel | 19:40 |
| zumbi | if ubuntu too | 19:40 |
| zumbi | or debian | 19:40 |
| shadeslayer | zumbi: trying to compile ASUS's android kernel so that I can use it to generate a initrd and a kernel | 19:40 |
| zumbi | shadeslayer: then see Stskeeps comment | 19:40 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 19:41 |
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| shadeslayer | vgrade: http://paste.kde.org/446810 | 19:52 |
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| vgrade | so you have CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT=y now | 20:00 |
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| shadeslayer | yeah, figured it out, the curses ui strips off the CONFIG_ | 20:00 |
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| shadeslayer | just shows DEVTMPFS_MOUNT | 20:01 |
| shadeslayer | vgrade: also, I compiled it, but there's no zimage in arch/arm/boot/ | 20:01 |
| zumbi | shadeslayer: ls -l arch/arm/boot/ ? | 20:02 |
| shadeslayer | zumbi: http://paste.kde.org/446822/ | 20:03 |
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| shadeslayer | bootp has this : http://paste.kde.org/446828/ | 20:03 |
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| zumbi | shadeslayer: it does not look like you got an image | 20:08 |
| shadeslayer | yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out as well ... | 20:09 |
| shadeslayer | zumbi: any pointers as to what could be wrong? | 20:12 |
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| zumbi | no idea, show the build log | 20:13 |
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| zumbi | shadeslayer: Marcin just wrote this howto, http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2012/03/26/ubuntu-12-04-precise-and-cross-compilation-of-arm-kernels/ | 20:14 |
| zumbi | that might help somehow | 20:14 |
| shadeslayer | sawn | 20:15 |
| shadeslayer | but that doesn't allow you to edit the config | 20:15 |
| zumbi | well, actually it does not help in this case | 20:15 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 20:15 |
| shadeslayer | zumbi: http://paste.kde.org/446834/ | 20:15 |
| shadeslayer | that post is just for compiling the stock kernel for ARM machines | 20:15 |
| shadeslayer | there's line 102 | 20:16 |
| zumbi | shadeslayer: actually the ubuntu kernel | 20:16 |
| shadeslayer | right, by stock I meant the stock ubuntu kernel | 20:16 |
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| zumbi | shadeslayer: you got a symbol defined twice | 20:17 |
| shadeslayer | yeah, looking at arch/arm/mm/pageattr.c | 20:17 |
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| shadeslayer | zumbi: ok, these are 2 completely different functions, how should I proceed? | 20:24 |
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| shadeslayer | http://paste.kde.org/446840/ | 20:25 |
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| shadeslayer | moar errors | 20:33 |
| shadeslayer | ( just randomnly commented out one instance of the functions ) | 20:33 |
| shadeslayer | *shrug* | 20:34 |
| vgrade | shadeslayer the stock kernel should compile out of the box | 20:34 |
| shadeslayer | vgrade: the one from ASUS? | 20:34 |
| shadeslayer | it's all broken | 20:34 |
| vgrade | yea, stock kernel, stock .config file | 20:34 |
| shadeslayer | kernel/power/suspend.c:30:24: fatal error: mach/iomap.h: No such file or directory | 20:34 |
| vgrade | if it does not and does for others its your toolchain | 20:35 |
| shadeslayer | I'll look at it tomorrow | 20:35 |
| vgrade | if it does not for others its likely the kernel | 20:35 |
| shadeslayer | Need to sleep :) | 20:35 |
| shadeslayer | thanks for all the help | 20:35 |
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