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| tripzero | which mer image should i try on my igep? | 01:20 |
| tripzero | are there images without X? | 01:20 |
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| Aard | has somebody been doing some work on the touchbook? | 07:37 |
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| Amir57 | hey everybody | 07:50 |
| Amir57 | anybody on? | 07:51 |
| _av500_ | no | 07:51 |
| Amir57 | ok thank you | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | Amir57: morning, so what brings you here? | 07:57 |
| vgrade | morning | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: doesn't ubuntu kernels mostly work with that? | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | trip0: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.1/kickstarts/mer-core-armv7l-base.ks for instance + mer platform sdk | 08:06 |
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| Aard | Stskeeps: they boot ubuntu with custom kernel | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: yeah, but i thought the ubuntu ones fairly supported it | 08:20 |
| Aard | ubuntu has stock arm stuff? | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | well, this might have been in the past.. | 08:22 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 08:22 | |
| Stskeeps | coding or enjoying 18 C outside during today | 08:22 |
| Aard | coding outside, enjoying 18 degrees? | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm :P | 08:22 |
| Aard | nowadays we crazy geeks are mobile | 08:22 |
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| timoph | morn | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | morn timoph | 08:27 |
| timoph | no such problems here. 1 C outside | 08:27 |
| timoph | just put fedora to my ideapad and now putting nemo to exo to start playing with the qa tools | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 08:29 |
| timoph | update is taking forever with the ideapad | 08:30 |
| iekku | was planning to have a trip outside today, longer tomorrow | 08:30 |
| vgrade | lbt, found https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=221 so ignore earlier ping | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: "minor" sdk 'bug' | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: rsync will traverse into /home again | 08:38 |
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| lbt | morning all | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | how was the tango? | 08:52 |
| dicebox | morning | 08:52 |
| vgrade | morning lbt | 08:52 |
| vgrade | got to say I'm loving the new sdk, image building, local osc builds, painless setup, working on ubuntu. Well done all | 08:53 |
| lbt | it went on til late :) | 08:53 |
| lbt | dicebox: you're setup on c.obs too | 08:53 |
| lbt | vgrade: nice to hear | 08:54 |
| dicebox | lbt: thanks a lot! | 08:54 |
| lbt | dicebox: np | 08:54 |
| lbt | what were you saying about usb networking? | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: :) | 08:55 |
| dicebox | i'd like to be able to setup a nfs-root over usb networking, for now with the latest image of meego, and later with rem/nemo | 08:55 |
| dicebox | on a n900 | 08:55 |
| lbt | *nod* | 08:56 |
| dicebox | and i believe that the kernel is missing an option for the g_nokia module, the g_nokia cdc eem option, or something, which could explain why my n900 always disconnect immediatly just after the initrd boots successfully | 08:57 |
| dicebox | i'm setting up a nfs-root with meego-1.0 which i believe is the one i successfully tried nfs-root over usb net in past, just to check | 08:57 |
| dicebox | to check that's not my n900 which is wrong | 08:58 |
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| dicebox | Stskeeps: you said that it would be simple to rebuild a kernel with obs and you'll help me, but do you have anything to add to the getting started with OBS doc? if not, i believe i can give a try alone with the doc, i'll come with my questions later | 09:12 |
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| Stskeeps | dicebox: right, find package kernel-adaptation-n900 in CE:Adaptation:N900 | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | there should be a "branch this package" button? | 09:21 |
| dicebox | oh, i'm not yet logged in | 09:24 |
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| dicebox | i think i pressed the wrong button, i hope i broke nothing, went in the kernel-adaptation-n900 page and pressed the branch button, but i just noticed a branch from other package button in my home project | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | or that | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | .. why do i have a full copy of armv7l meego on my hd | 09:35 |
| dicebox | it's not me | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | cleaning up my disk atm / moving things into archive | 09:35 |
| dicebox | ok, i found my local branch of kernel-adapt-n900 | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | is it buildign? | 09:36 |
| dicebox | it seems so, but i haven't modified it yet | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | good | 09:37 |
| dicebox | ah ok, branches go in subprojects | 09:37 |
| dicebox | do i have to wait the end of the build before modifying it ? | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | config-* and kernel-adaptation-config* are the ones to play with files | 09:39 |
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| dicebox | i can't get the find button working when trying to edit one file | 10:00 |
| lbt | back later | 10:00 |
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| vgrade | ok, I have my package built in the sdk using osc build, can I use createrepo tool to serv that from my website? | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | is createrepo in mer repos? | 10:39 |
| vgrade | its not in sdk | 10:39 |
| vgrade | can't see it on cobs | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok, can you install 'yum' ? | 10:41 |
| vgrade | yum is in sdk | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | yum-tools too? | 10:45 |
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| lev123 | anyone here? | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | hi lev123 :) | 10:47 |
| lev123 | yeah | 10:47 |
| lev123 | who use nokia n800? | 10:47 |
| lev123 | i recently bought one | 10:47 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, I have yum-3.2.29-13.1.noarch, nothing known from yum-tools | 10:47 |
| lev123 | and what is the latest mer version for n800? | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | lev123: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x0 | 10:48 |
| lev123 | is the mer system usable? | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | mer's just a core, you need to dump a UI on top | 10:50 |
| lev123 | sounds difficult,haha | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | not really a end user thing :) | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: no createrepo in that yum? | 10:51 |
| lev123 | man ,i dont really want to use the os2008 any long | 10:51 |
| lev123 | ancient system it is | 10:52 |
| dicebox | i triggered a build of the kernel with the modified files, i haven't been able to edit them online, i wasn't able to use the find function, though it was able to detect i tried to find an empty string, anyway, waiting now | 10:53 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, no | 11:25 |
| vgrade | looks like it has its own package http://createrepo.baseurl.org/ | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | well we should package that up then | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | task bug? | 11:28 |
| vgrade | http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=createrepo&project=Trunk | 11:29 |
| vgrade | I'll add a bug on tools/sdk | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:30 |
| vgrade | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224 | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: starting to prepare to clean up mer architecture from packages perspective a bit, .. http://pastie.org/3614530 | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: https://plus.google.com/u/0/109922199462633401279/posts/HgdeFDfRzNe , https://plus.google.com/109922199462633401279/posts/VSdDJnscewS | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | (and the rest of you too) | 12:29 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: looks good. | 12:38 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: well Graphics/X11/Input Adaptation perhaps instead of Graphics/Input Adaptation ? | 12:39 |
| Sage_ | And maybe same for Display & Graphics Adaptation | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps, just going by meego arch diagram | 12:41 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, running createrepo I get "ImportError: No module named deltarpm". deltarpm package is there but no python deltarpm.py | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | python-deltarpm or something? | 14:33 |
| vgrade | thanks | 14:34 |
| vgrade | better now | 14:35 |
| vgrade | so to fix that the create repo needs changing to pull in that package | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:41 |
| dicebox | i don't know what's wrong, but it's not working, it's like g_nokia has been broken , or something, i just retried with meego 1.0 it works, i'll try other versions, to see when it stopped working, what i observe is that the n900 is seen by the computer device as a usb device (all good) and just after it's disconnected, and there's no clue why anywhere i've looked at | 14:53 |
| dicebox | this behaviour happens with or without g_nokia_eem, when with, it's not as a module, but i believe directly included in the kernel then | 14:54 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, go for .1 :) | 16:57 |
| lbt | cool | 16:57 |
| lbt | wow - what a PITA that was | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | i only found one bizarre issue so this release will have libjpeg-turbo-devel installed | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm not going to do another prerelease for that | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | as it doesn't bring in other stuff | 16:59 |
| lbt | OK | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i have a postit from several months back saying 'root causing a full release is a nightmare' | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: this release cycle shows why this is still a problem | 17:01 |
| lbt | in terms of lack of CI for image building? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | for example | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | even the best looking changes can cause problems | 17:02 |
| lbt | computers are too stupid to "just know that that change is fine" | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i was referring to human reviews | 17:04 |
| lbt | me too | 17:05 |
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| Stskeeps | hello jooncheol :) | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: did you read the g+ posts from above? | 17:09 |
| lbt | no, not checked log yet | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | worth a look | 17:10 |
| lbt | yeah - interesting points | 17:15 |
| lbt | as bergie says - the maemo and now nemo/mer community app and QA is possibly taking us in the direction described | 17:15 |
| lbt | anyhow ... did you tag? | 17:17 |
| tanuk | Are you familiar with Zero Install (http://0install.net)? | 17:19 |
| tanuk | To me it sounds like a good approach for skipping the distro politics. | 17:20 |
| tanuk | And distro schedules. | 17:20 |
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| lbt | I think I've glanced at it in the past | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can do | 17:23 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah - I've not restored all my sessions after a reboot | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: done | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk: looks interesting | 17:24 |
| jooncheol | Hi Stskeeps ! | 17:25 |
| lbt | I think it matched /opt requirements quite well | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | jooncheol: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 17:25 |
| jooncheol | I'm exman on the morning, | 17:26 |
| jooncheol | and I'm jooncheon on the night :-) | 17:26 |
| jooncheol | exman=jooncheol | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | jooncheol: ah ;) | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | jooncheol: well you're welcome anyway, even if you do have two personalities ;p | 17:27 |
| jooncheol | thank you for your welcome :-) | 17:27 |
| jooncheol | I recommended to use mer project for next proect to XX's product manager yesterday. | 17:28 |
| jooncheol | (I cannot let you know the XX :-) ) | 17:28 |
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| jooncheol | current project is using ubuntu 10.04 | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | that's fine, if there's any questions you're more than welcome to ask here or on mailing list | 17:29 |
| jooncheol | and Qt4.7 based UI launcher | 17:29 |
| jooncheol | thanks :-) | 17:29 |
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| lbt | jooncheol: and if I can help in any of the systems areas, let me know | 17:32 |
| jooncheol | thanks in advance :-) | 17:32 |
| lbt | np - making Mer work for vendors is our main goal - we're very pleased you'll be evaluating it | 17:33 |
| jooncheol | I was a big fan of MeeGo. I hope that my company work something using Mer again :-) | 17:35 |
| jooncheol | Is there any thing I can contribute for mer ? | 17:35 |
| lbt | sure | 17:35 |
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| lbt | given you're looking at it for a product, then feedback (and patches) in areas where you have issues would be the most valuable | 17:36 |
| lbt | and yes, MeeGo's goals and vision hit all the right buttons with us too | 17:37 |
| lbt | (release is doing the grab phase FYI) | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: k | 17:38 |
| lbt | jooncheol: the two places we'd like to make particularly easy for vendors is the hardware adaptation and the SDK | 17:39 |
| jooncheol | unfortunately, my company is not h/w vendor. we are doing professional service for some vendors such like Samsung/LG/HP/BMW/Jaguar ... | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | jooncheol: we call anyone using Mer directly vendors, hardware adaptations, integrators, UI projects, home hackers.. | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | as we deliver a core, they turn it into a product, or make a piece of something on top of mer that makes into a product | 17:41 |
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| jooncheol | yes, I understand the mer's direction. :-) | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | alright ;) | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | brb cooking | 17:44 |
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| jooncheol | In case of me, I want be a home hacker who makes weird platform based on mer. :-) | 17:45 |
| jooncheol | and I want to use Mer in the company If there is any chance ... | 17:45 |
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| lbt | good goals | 17:45 |
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| jooncheol | AFAIK, several company still working on MeeGo/Genivi for their IVI platform. I hope that they change their base platform to Mer. | 17:47 |
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| jooncheol | If so, I can have some chance to use Mer in the company :-) | 17:48 |
| lbt | well, most will probably be looking hard at Tizen but we know that quite a few like what Mer has to offer | 17:48 |
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| lbt | in particular the opportunity to continue to use Qt | 17:48 |
| lbt | as well as the tight focus of Mer | 17:49 |
| jooncheol | what is the exact pronounce of Mer ? | 17:51 |
| jooncheol | Mur ? me-r ? | 17:52 |
| lbt | I pronounce it like the french word for sea | 17:52 |
| lbt | "mare" | 17:52 |
| lbt | Stskeeps says it more like "Mur" - somtimes I wonder what he's talking about :) | 17:53 |
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| lbt | good evening Alison_Chaiken | 17:54 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Huomenta, lbt. | 17:57 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'm about to get up to some more sniffing of the CAN. | 17:58 |
| lbt | *g* | 17:58 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Sort of like "Smell the Glove" in _This is Spinal Tap_. | 17:58 |
| jooncheol | lbt: like this ? http://translate.google.com/translate_tts?ie=UTF-8&q=mer&tl=fr&total=1&idx=0&textlen=3 | 17:58 |
| * lbt offers to help if you ever need to measure high-G readings from the accelerometer | 17:59 | |
| lbt | jooncheol: yes ... but my voice isn't so...., french | 18:00 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lbt, Edmunds promised me a ride on their test track in Southern California. | 18:00 |
| Alison_Chaiken | So watch what you promise. | 18:00 |
| lbt | ooh,,, fun | 18:01 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'll schedule the test drive to coincide with the Mer World Congress, to be held at nearby Disneyland. | 18:01 |
| lbt | mid 2013 should be about right | 18:01 |
| jooncheol | mer? mur? Actually, I've pronounced like 'mur' :-) what's the exact pronounce ? :-) | 18:01 |
| lbt | jooncheol: the joy of text on the internet is that you get to choose | 18:02 |
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| jooncheol | lbt, agree :-) | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | disneyland? well, that should cover the need for icecream shops | 18:06 |
| lbt | hmm | 18:12 |
| lbt | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/ | 18:12 |
| lbt | teeny bug? insofar as next is older than latest | 18:13 |
| lbt | OTOH we don't want all vendor OBSes to rebuild against -next == -latest | 18:14 |
| lbt | and removing -next would make OBS projects unhappy | 18:14 |
| lbt | so .... it's a feature | 18:14 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: how are you with sed and regular expressions? | 18:41 |
| dicebox | from what i understand in the source code, setting g_nokia_eem doesn't enable eem, but offers the option to enable it, which ten need the use_eem=1 on the kernel commandline for the g_nokia module, i will test that in the next hour(s) | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | i need to convert /foo/bar/zoo:/baz/blah/poo:something -> /foo/bar/zoo:/somethingnew/poo:something | 18:42 |
| dicebox | i probably missed some doc, but it wasn't clear at all, and i didn't find references in google either | 18:43 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: pretty good | 18:50 |
| lbt | eating right now ... gimme 10m | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | i think i solved it now, after 6 hours of headache | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | i was trying to fix the wrong regexp | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:51 |
| dicebox | hehe | 18:53 |
| dicebox | arrr, it seems to still remaining something wrong | 18:53 |
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| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core6.png <- my work today starting to pay off | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | this has base essentials compressed | 19:11 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: is xorg-x11-drv-fbdev missing from latest release? | 19:17 |
| alterego | I'm trying to build an N950 image. | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: define latest | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | and show me your .ks | 19:18 |
| alterego | releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/ :) | 19:18 |
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| Stskeeps | since we're doing a release right now, can you check with 0209.1 ? | 19:18 |
| * alterego has a go | 19:19 | |
| alterego | Yeah, that one seems to be working | 19:19 |
| lbt | alterego: gentle prod on wiki migration :) | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | you know what i'm starting to realize about linux stack architecture? | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | the dependencies are starting to look an awful lot like rubberbands | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:34 |
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| lbt | and it seems rare for code to move from one package to another | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | how are we on release? | 19:41 |
| lbt | resizing fs on shell on cobs | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | when you prep the release notes, please remove the 'make pickupchanges' lines | 19:44 |
| lbt | sure | 19:45 |
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| lbt | pull to obs carrying on | 19:47 |
| e8johan | Stkeeps: did vgrade show you my tweaks/hacks to get Qt 5 building on the OBS? | 19:48 |
| lbt | he did - Stskeeps and Bostik were rather happy to see them | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | e8johan: is that with a recent snapshot btw? | 20:03 |
| e8johan | Stskeeps: yup, pulled the git Friday morning | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 20:04 |
| e8johan | Stskeeps: I had to add three or four files to and fix a typo in a patch | 20:04 |
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| Stskeeps | and how did it work when built, out of curiousity? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | i've been a bit out of the qt5 game myself due to other priorities | 20:05 |
| e8johan | also, I skipped the patches to qtbase as they failed to apply | 20:05 |
| e8johan | it worked nicely | 20:05 |
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| e8johan | not the incredible performance gain that I expected, but that might have more to do with the graphics drivers than QT5 | 20:05 |
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| e8johan | I'm using EMGD right now... | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | and i presume you've built for GLES, not GL? | 20:06 |
| e8johan | hmmm... I just assumed so, but I need to check | 20:06 |
| e8johan | the configure call contains " -opengl es2", so I presume so | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 20:08 |
| e8johan | and then I use the xcb qpa platform | 20:09 |
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| Stskeeps | makes sense, not sure if eglfs does it on emgd drivers in case you wanted to test raw performance | 20:09 |
| e8johan | The post-configure summary says "OpenGL support ......... yes (OpenGL ES 2.x) ", so yes | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | got a compositor up? that also affects performance at tiems | 20:09 |
| e8johan | I'm investigating that, or wayland | 20:09 |
| e8johan | I think mcompositor was running (I've got the target at the office, so I can't test from here) | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | always good to kill mcompositor before any kind of performance testing ;) | 20:10 |
| e8johan | or rather, can't touch the screen and see what happens :-) | 20:10 |
| e8johan | well, I'll try that tomorrow | 20:10 |
| e8johan | or rather, on Monday | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | just giving tips :) | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | also, one other thing: libxcb of a latest enough version might also matter | 20:11 |
| e8johan | I'm happy about them - I just want to hit 60fps in a reliable manner - all input is valuaed :-) | 20:11 |
| e8johan | ah, that could be something to look into | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | i think the plugin utilizes some of the more later versions and if it's meego 1.2, it's fairly erm, old | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | (i think) | 20:11 |
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| * Stskeeps goes to back up his claim.. | 20:12 | |
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| e8johan | it is MeeGo 1.2 with some patches, so I'm not sure, but I don't think anyone has had any reason to update it, so I guess you're right | 20:12 |
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| e8johan | libxcb-1.7-1.11 | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, shouldn't throw stones, looks like mer one is old too :) | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, that goes into the bugtracker | 20:14 |
| e8johan | :-) | 20:14 |
| e8johan | what's the latest version, cant seem to find that on the freedesktop site... | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://xcb.freedesktop.org/dist/ | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | 1.8.1 | 20:14 |
| e8johan | just found it :-) | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226 is task bug for mer | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | though, if i remember the sgx drivers right, they probably use libX11 directly | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | but might still affect qt | 20:16 |
| e8johan | great, I'll try to get it to build in our MeeGo-ish setting and tell you if I had to do something | 20:16 |
| e8johan | it is well worth trying the update | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 20:16 |
| e8johan | but for my case, I believe that Wayland is the long term option | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | patches welcome :) should ideally be just a slamdunk new-tarball, run specify | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:17 |
| e8johan | question is how stable it will be in the short temr | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | judging by wayland mailing list, they've gone from one-two man project to a sustainable community by now | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | so i think it'll get there pretty soon | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | right, back to watching some tv, let me know how your experiments go | 20:19 |
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| e8johan | enjoy! | 20:24 |
| Bostik | e8johan: thanks for your effort, I've had my hands far too full to really do anything with qt5 packaging for a couple of months now | 20:29 |
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| e8johan | Bostik: more than happy to be able to help | 20:29 |
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| Bostik | coworker (ahma) took over and made some edits, I think I picked his changes to my repo yesterday | 20:37 |
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| e8johan | Bostik: sorry, I got lost in my OBS... it does not look as if ahma took my patches, at least not at gitorious | 20:51 |
| e8johan | still, he might not be working over the weekend | 20:51 |
| e8johan | :-) | 20:51 |
| e8johan | Stskeeps: I had to package xcb-proto to get libxcb to build, but both where very straight forward | 20:54 |
| e8johan | also, I upgraded xcb-utils | 20:54 |
| e8johan | so, question is, how do I get it into your OBS :-) | 20:54 |
| e8johan | (yes I should RTFM) | 20:54 |
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| Stskeeps | e8johan: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution , short version, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail longer | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | we work with git trees and gerrit | 21:19 |
| e8johan | yay! no osc gibberish for me... | 21:19 |
| e8johan | :-) | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | did you look at the instructions before saying yay? ;) | 21:20 |
| e8johan | I'm in the middle of getting Qt 5 to build again, apparently xcb-utils has been chopped up... | 21:20 |
| e8johan | no I did not :-D | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | long story short, git clone, fix things in package, commit, push to gerrit | 21:20 |
| e8johan | sounds oddly familiar :-) | 21:21 |
| e8johan | what if I need a new package? | 21:21 |
| e8johan | ... I should read the docs :-) | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | you buy me a beer ;) | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | seriously though, we don't have an official method except 'pester stskeeps until he agrees and makes a empty git repo to submit to' | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:22 |
| e8johan | :-D | 21:23 |
| e8johan | ok, I'll just get it working on my side, then I'll start pestering your life... | 21:23 |
| e8johan | that is my plan for now :-) | 21:23 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail#New_Packages | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | after submitting to gerrit we automatically run a bunch of build tests to verify it builds everywhere and in future we'll do significantly more, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Process | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 21:24 |
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| Stskeeps | it sometimes surprises me how hard that can be | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:42 |
| lbt | yup - I need to tell my programmable remote what mfg to pretend to be.... then see if all the buttons emit unique codes | 22:43 |
| lbt | then scan all the codes into lirc | 22:44 |
| lbt | then allocate button names | 22:44 |
| lbt | then map them to functions | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | i did that for that healthcare box i was working on first-mer for | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | bloody annoying | 22:44 |
| lbt | yep | 22:44 |
| lbt | but at least I got my usb IR working | 22:44 |
| lbt | http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/ftdi-basic?keyword=FTDI&category_id=0 | 22:45 |
| lbt | then bend the pins on a lirc receiver and wrap tape around it ... | 22:45 |
| lbt | damn site smaller than the breadboard one I made - but not as neat as the 'inside the serial plug' version | 22:46 |
| lbt | oh, update storm is running now | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 22:46 |
| lbt | been going an hour or so I guess | 22:46 |
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| lbt | did you pastie the pickupchanges? | 22:47 |
| lbt | or shall I just concatenate the existing email change logs | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3617875 | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | remove the shell prompts | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | ie, prjfetcher@monster.. | 22:48 |
| lbt | yeah - did I leave them in last time? | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | can't recall | 22:49 |
| lbt | you're just being very clear on that point and I'm thinking ... "well, yeah..." | 22:50 |
| lbt | *g* | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | we need that changelog generator :P | 22:50 |
| lbt | we do | 22:51 |
| lbt | I should have some time to work tomorrow - always more productive than during the week | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a bit of the reverse at the moment, though i did get closer to looking a little more at mer architecture and making it representable | 22:52 |
| lbt | did I share my groupings with you? | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | groupings? | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | package groups? | 22:52 |
| lbt | let me dig them out | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core6.png , while a bit confusing when it comes to edges, it does explain how some of the architectual pieces fit together | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | ie, we actually see the layering in practice | 22:54 |
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| lbt | http://pastie.org/3617918 | 23:02 |
| lbt | so not looking at dependencies | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | that's based on source packages, aye? | 23:04 |
| lbt | yes | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | right now i would like to bring the state to where it was technically supposed to be in meego, then we can organise a little better.. | 23:05 |
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| lbt | I was starting to think through what was code in Mer and what functionality lived in the vicinit | 23:06 |
| lbt | y | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core9.png | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | starting to look saner now | 23:12 |
| lbt | at the size I can read anything it's too zoomed in to be meaningful | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, the edges aren't too pretty | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | but it does show what subsystems are made of | 23:15 |
| lbt | i'll try a different app | 23:15 |
| lbt | export to svg? | 23:17 |
| lbt | and what happpens if you take all the libs out? | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | moment | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/noessentials.svg is without Base Essentials+ edges to it | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | quite readable | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | i could probably merge some edges going to same place | 23:23 |
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| lbt | yeah - that's a good perspective | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core10.svg is with using the channel router | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | i do wonder why fontconfig is so used in qt | 23:30 |
| lbt | you mean why libqtdbus depends on it? | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | no, why everything qt links to ti | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | it | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | even qt-qmlviewer | 23:34 |
| lbt | I don't know what the lines represent | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | dependencies | 23:35 |
| lbt | I'd assumed install dep | 23:35 |
| lbt | yes | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | file = it uses a file from there (/bin/sh) | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | feature = libfoo.so, or pkgconfig(blah) | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | etc | 23:35 |
| lbt | enthusiastic packaging? | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 23:36 |
| lbt | any words on the release? | 23:43 |
| lbt | "This release updates several packages with new upstreams including openssl and some other security updates; moves our cross compilation tools to the '486' target to ensure they run on any generic x86 system; there are updates to osc and build for the SDK; the mesa package is upgraded with llvmpipe to significantly improve SW rendering in emulations/VMs - the package is also renamed to mesa-llvmpipe | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | re llvmpipe they need to be aware that the mer standard mesa no longer supports intel, so that responsibility is now in hardware adaptation | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | , new tools: gdb | 23:47 |
| lbt | oh, yes, spotted that | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | bsdtar, mesa 8.0.1 | 23:47 |
| lbt | yeah, I figured bsdtar was an incidental thing | 23:49 |
| lbt | "some other security updates" | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | oh, and libjpeg-turbo | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | for faster image decoding on NEON/SSSE3 / SSE etc systems | 23:50 |
| lbt | "Note that as a result of the move to llvmpipe, the standard mesa in Mer core no longer supports intel hardware and this should now be handled in the hardware adaptation as expected." | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | gpus, that is | 23:51 |
| lbt | hehe | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/base2-full4.svg , if you wonder how the full madhouse looks like (minus libgcc, glibc, libstdc++ and bash for readability) | 23:52 |
| lbt | "for readability" ... uh huh | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | base essentials is a madhouse | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:57 |
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| lbt | "weird stuff that makes up linux" | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | 90% of that goes away with busybox\ | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:58 |
| lbt | mmm | 23:58 |
| lbt | "we decided to switch to busybox to make our diagrams neater" | 23:59 |
| lbt | I've heard worse reasons for making a change... | 23:59 |
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