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| wmarone__ | ok | 02:26 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:05 |
| timoph | morn | 06:08 |
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| * timoph needed to let out some steam yesterday (caused by not coding so much lately) and implemented a 9-line casino slot machine game :) | 06:12 | |
| timoph | c++ engine + qml ui | 06:12 |
| * timoph feels better now | 06:13 | |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 06:14 |
| timoph | anyway. I've been a bit busy this week and haven't been following the sdk that closely.. | 06:16 |
| timoph | anything new in the image? | 06:16 |
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| Stskeeps | llvmpipe for starters | 06:17 |
| Stskeeps | updated osc/build | 06:17 |
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| timoph | cool | 06:19 |
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| Stskeeps | morn pirut | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: http://pastie.org/3598910 | 06:29 |
| pirut | morning | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: the gdb one should be fairly important for sdk ;) | 06:31 |
| timoph | yeah | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: still remaining to get a cross gdb though | 06:31 |
| timoph | interestingly ubuntu still ships too old libssh2 for testrunner-lite | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | that's kinda bizarre | 06:33 |
| timoph | can be compiled without it but the remote executor is slower | 06:33 |
| Stskeeps | you'd assume it would be riddled with security holes :) | 06:33 |
| timoph | yep | 06:33 |
| * timoph replaces his ubuntu vm with a fedora one | 06:34 | |
| sonach | Stskeeps: what's the plan of wayland support on Mer? | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: it's mostly a qt5-related issue for me, as well as some bits and pieces related to dbus and how UI's are launched | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i'd like to see wayland beyond intel graphics drivers and on some ARM targets as well -- in fact, i worked with wayland on OMAP3 devices at some point | 06:36 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: How is the work going on about "wayland on OMAP3"? | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: well, i did this while i was doing contracting for Nokia and my priorities changed. however, there is working going on to wayland enable the OMAP4 chipset from Texas Instruments themselves | 06:38 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: long story short, it's not terribly difficult to wayland-enable Mer as a proof of concept, but if you want to do it properly, you need qt5 instead of qt4.8.0 | 06:39 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Yes, and Mer will support qt5 next release? | 06:41 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: we'll try to integrate qt5 alpha yes | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | well, next release = end of this month, not today/tomorrow :) | 06:42 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I can still use X11-fb for some months! If wayland on Mer functions well, I can directly move to wayland instead of DirectFB stuff. | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, let's see how development goes | 06:43 |
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| sonach | I hope I can do something about this:) | 06:48 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, does Wayland require Lighthouse? Is Lighthouse already in 4.8? | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: it's there but it's not in horribly good shape. thiago has been patching it up a bit | 06:52 |
| Alison_Chaiken | dm8tbr, is the rumored Archos official bootloader unlocker a reality now? | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | if you want the proper QPA/lighthouse experience, qt5 is the way to go | 06:53 |
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| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: I make a preliminary decision to use wayland instead of QWS+DirectFB...Of course I should do more research and test... | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: the 'gap' in wayland would be that it's very EGL/GLES concentrated | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | so you might not draw advantage of 2d acceleration | 07:04 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: hmm,that is a bad news for me. so wayland is designed to run on platforms with 3D hardware? | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's one of the usages | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly you -can- do without egl/gles on there but it requires more work | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: do you have a list of what operations TDE/hisilicon 2d hardware can accelerate? | 07:06 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Yes, let me have a look now, | 07:07 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3599071 | 07:11 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: ok | 07:15 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song is my soundtrack for the day | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: are you trying to scare away your cats again? | 07:23 |
| w00t | :P | 07:23 |
| vgrade | morning | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | morn vgrade o/ | 07:24 |
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| Termana | morning | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | morn Termana | 07:30 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: what about the TDE 2d operations? | 07:32 |
| dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: it's very close, and I've seen it. proof (ofc on a wooden table!): http://www.bfst.de/20120314_002.jpg | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, so, wayland operates with a compositor which basically composites together graphics buffers, and applications render into buffers | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: in GLES/EGL the compositor composites with the GPU hardware buffers and use of the 3d chip | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | but there is also option for 'shared memory' buffers, which is 2d graphics for example | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | and a specially written compositor can use 2d operations to composite those buffers and put it on screen | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | kinda like directfb sawman does it | 07:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks, dm8tbr, I'll keep beavering on my other deadlines then and keep the Archos tablet in a safe place in the interim. | 07:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Customer will visit on Tuesday, but I have other groovy stuff to show him. | 07:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | And I could probably say that Debian is Mer anyway ;-) | 07:34 |
| dm8tbr | I really hope whatever is holding it back gets resolved soon. I'm sure _av500_ will let us know once that happens. | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: ;) | 07:35 |
| dm8tbr | it's 'teh liniks'! | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | i honestly wouldn't mind a statistic on how much code is actually common in mobile linux | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'm fairly sure it's ~what mer contains | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | plus minus some | 07:36 |
| dm8tbr | if you don't count android... | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but even android shares some components | 07:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Android shares less and less, as they're replacing bluez and getting rid of D-Bus. | 07:37 |
| dm8tbr | sure, I've seen the concept of dual-libc-userspace on android for years. it's proven to work :) | 07:37 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | But at the same time, Android kernel is merging, and lots of userspace stuff is getting ported. | 07:37 |
| dm8tbr | they are reinventing bluez? | 07:38 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I actually cross-compiled some C stuff using GCC last fall, linked against bionic libs, and just copied the binaries over to Android. | 07:38 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Mostly they worked. | 07:38 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Yep, dm8tbr, somewhere I read they've got a bluez replacement almost ready to go. | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | bluez.. i think i might have actually heard of crazy people wanting closed source bits in bluetooth userland | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, remember that today is the last day for submitting Tizen conference talk proposals | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | in case you have anything useful to present that may match their area | 07:41 |
| Termana | "Start hype, speak nothing of it again" | 07:42 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, I've been wondering how anyone can propose a talk on Tizen at this stage | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: there was kinda the same problem in dublin, actually | 07:43 |
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| Stskeeps | i went for the old recipe of 'talk about some old, present some ideas, discuss problems that are generic for all of us to share the knowledge' | 07:44 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: So on hardware with only 2D acceleration, DirectFB+Sawman/QWS is the best choice for me? | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: directfb+sawman + qt5, yes, probably | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | QWS is replaced with lighthouse/QPA in qt5 | 07:46 |
| Alison_Chaiken | vgrade, I put in an abstract where I promise to talk in general what features an attractive IVI distro will have, and compare how Tizen looks vs. GENIVI-approved existing distros. | 07:47 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: sawman is still needed? | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yeah, sawman is kinda like window manager | 07:47 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: In my POV, QWS is a kind of window manager... | 07:47 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Tizen-IVI is going to have a release RSN from what I hear. | 07:48 |
| Alison_Chaiken | QWS provides most of the same services as a WM> | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: it is, a bit, but i wouldn't rely on that approach.. | 07:48 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: will be interesting to see what they have.. i personally have trouble believing they'll do anything serious on top of the published SLP stack | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | so i hope that it's a more moblin like stack the IVI stuff is | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | but then again, it's just architectual curiousity | 07:49 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: If I use directfb+sawman on platforms with only 2D hardware, and use wayland on platforms with 3D hardware. The architecture seems very strange... | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: right, i should probably do some diagrams of how something like this would look from mer perspective | 07:51 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: Maybe I have to do like this. I should support these two kinds of hardware at the same time: directfb+sawman for low-end STBs, wayland for high-end STBs and TVs:) | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | if we do things right, it won't matter to your applications what backend (directfb, wayland/3d) it uses | 07:55 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: what do you mean? | 07:57 |
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| sonach | How to do things right? | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: as in, the more we can seperate your application/UI from a specific hardware adaptation the better | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | means you can change hardware quite easily | 07:58 |
| sonach | Yes. But if Mer can achieve this, how is the software architecture then? I am puzzled... | 07:59 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, Alison_Chaiken, I think I'll just register as an attendee | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, it's on my list today to start documenting mer architecture, hopefully it's easier to explain then | 08:00 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Cool! When will Mer achieve this goal? And in order to achieve this goal, what should be done? | 08:01 |
| Alison_Chaiken | sonach, Qt-Lighthouse abstracts away the Window Manager and Compositor in a manner similar to a device driver hiding ioctls. | 08:01 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Qt-Lighthouse's intention is to make code reuse with different WM on different platforms less painful. | 08:02 |
| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: ah, I am a little clearer now. If Mer integrates Qt5 and qt5 can work properly, then the goal achievs:) | 08:04 |
| Bostik | work in progress... | 08:04 |
| Alison_Chaiken | sonach, if if if! | 08:05 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: did you see the test tools we're starting to integrate in Mer? | 08:05 |
| Alison_Chaiken | vgrade, if my talk is accepted, you could always co-present if you wanted. | 08:06 |
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| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: so Qt-Lighthouse is similar to Surfacefingler? | 08:06 |
| slaine | morning all | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 08:06 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: not yet, | 08:06 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/testtrunner-manual.png is manual testing, http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/qa-testrunner.png is automatic | 08:07 |
| Alison_Chaiken | sonach, Surfaceflinger is a particular compositor that Android uses. | 08:07 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Bernard Rosenkrantz is porting it to Linux I think. | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/hostbased.png as well | 08:07 |
| Alison_Chaiken | But Lighthouse is a meta-WM, a level above. | 08:07 |
| Alison_Chaiken | It can even support Windows. | 08:07 |
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| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: hmm, Surfaceflinger is similar to wayland. But as far as I know, Android can support platform with only 2D hardware. How this is achieved? | 08:09 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: similar to how i described earlier, with a special compositor that uses shared memory buffers | 08:09 |
| vgrade | Alison_Chaiken, it would be good to see what Tizen IVI looks like. | 08:10 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: what is the special compositor called? | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: special compositor is surfaceflinger in android case | 08:11 |
| Alison_Chaiken | sonach, recent Android releases use Skia, separate from OpenGL or Surfaceflinger, to provide 2D acceleration. | 08:11 |
| Alison_Chaiken | sonach, the best documentation ever about Skia and Surfaceflinger is in http://www.slideshare.net/jserv/design-and-concepts-of-android-graphics | 08:13 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Jim Huang of 0xlabs is a genius. | 08:13 |
| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: Stskeeps: I should do more research on this:) | 08:14 |
| Alison_Chaiken | But it's way, way past my bedtime. Nähdään. | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | night Alison_Chaiken | 08:15 |
| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: yes, I know of Jim Huang several years ago. | 08:15 |
| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: Good night:) | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | mdfe_: go for -next image attempt | 08:33 |
| Sage_ | lbt is there guide for vendor obs setup that has sb2 included? | 08:35 |
| Sage_ | also is there guide for fake obs setup? | 08:35 |
| Sage_ | Mer wiki should have == Vendor == :) | 08:35 |
| Sage_ | at front page | 08:36 |
| Sage_ | well it has but it is just taht contact you guys :) | 08:36 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 08:36 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: ack | 08:37 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: 0.20120315.0.2? | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:40 |
| mdfe_ | are additional packages needed? | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | don't be surprised if x86 image acts up | 08:40 |
| mdfe_ | you talked something about virtualbox stuff | 08:40 |
| mdfe_ | I will try a build | 08:41 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: I have viewed the result of testrunner. It seems that there are still some work to do in order to support OpenGL ES2? | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: hehe, this one has some failed ones because of hardware adaptation :) | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: one of the tests was so brutal it revealed a bug in the intel graphics hardware adaptation | 08:49 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: you dropped mesa stuff? | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: yes, sage is working on mesa-intel-* | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: it's replaced with a standard mesa-llvmpipe- in mer core itself | 08:50 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: so what is the test result mean to me? I am not quite understand... | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i just wanted to show the tools in action | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: this is a test that i run from my PC through network to my device | 08:51 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK, maybe I can run it on my platform later? | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | yes, possibly | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | that's the idea | 08:52 |
| sonach | ok. that is good:) | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | so you can verify your hardware adaptation works as intended, and mer too | 08:52 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: Is the "@Intel x86 Generic Support" package group customized in this way? | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: it will be at some point, i think | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | sage's working on it | 08:53 |
| mdfe_ | for next release? | 08:53 |
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| mdfe_ | I will try out | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | for the stuff in CE:Adaptation:X86-generic yeah | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | you will likely need two images | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | one -intel and one -vm | 08:55 |
| mdfe_ | bleh | 08:55 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. well | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:55 |
| mdfe_ | *g* | 08:55 |
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| Sage_ | I'll working for all of those for Nemo atm. | 08:56 |
| mdfe_ | morn Sage_ | 08:57 |
| Sage_ | morn mdfe_ | 08:57 |
| mdfe_ | Sage_: it isn't possible to mix up the mesa-llvmpipe with mesa-intel stuff? | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | sadly no | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | they're configured in two different ways | 08:58 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage_: do you ship for the intel mesa dri-swrast-driver? | 08:59 |
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| Sage_ | mdfe_: yes | 09:00 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 09:00 |
| Sage_ | it is included to the existing group and your .ks files shouldn't need any change for it | 09:01 |
| * Sage_ loves package groups | 09:01 | |
| mdfe_ | I see | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | why bother with -swrast, out of curiousity? | 09:01 |
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| mdfe_ | just like to know all options | 09:02 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: mesa-llvmpipe-dri-swrast-driver <- needed for vm? | 09:03 |
| mdfe_ | imho by this we got PA running inside virtualbox | 09:04 |
| mdfe_ | but not completly sure anymore | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: possibly, but actually first i'd avoid installing it | 09:05 |
| Sage_ | ok | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: the reason is that if llvmpipe tries to do dri it comes awesomely slow instead | 09:06 |
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| slaine | isn't swrast slower that llvmpipe anyway | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | quite | 09:12 |
| slaine | is llvmpipe complete enough to replace swrast then I guess would be the next question | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | ish, there is some quirks i'm not happy about | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | and it doesn't work, at all, on arm | 09:13 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps:mer_next Image was build with mesa-llvmpipe including dri-swrast-driver | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:13 |
| slaine | I guess we need to keep it around so | 09:13 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: but sadly the ftp disk is full again | 09:13 |
| mdfe_ | bleh | 09:13 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: I have to clean up, it will take a while | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we ran into same thing | 09:14 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: any idea if the package kit workaround in .ks file is still needed and what did does it do actually? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: rpm --rebuilddb_ | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's very needed | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | we have included it as part of mer standard kickstarter now | 09:16 |
| Sage_ | ok | 09:17 |
| Sage_ | the initrd and core removals should be removed IMO | 09:18 |
| Sage_ | those are hack to go around problems in build or packaging | 09:18 |
| Sage_ | hacks* | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | agreeed, i dont think we have those | 09:18 |
| Sage_ | nemo has and am about to remove | 09:19 |
| * Sage_ boots vm image of nemo and sees how it goes | 09:20 | |
| * Stskeeps prays | 09:20 | |
| Sage_ | error drm i915 can't work without intel_agp module.... | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's kernel | 09:21 |
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| Sage_ | yes | 09:21 |
| Sage_ | I had the dri in this image | 09:21 |
| Sage_ | ok and fails to udevd warning and gives terminal | 09:22 |
| * Sage_ takes a screenshot and shows | 09:22 | |
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| Stskeeps | rpm -qa | grep xorg-x11-server | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | or whatever the name was | 09:24 |
| Sage_ | http://sage.kapsi.fi/Mer/tmp/nemo-vm-boot-fail.png | 09:25 |
| Sage_ | doesn't seem to be Xorg issue | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | uhh.. | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | oh, qemu | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | how do you run it? | 09:25 |
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| Sage_ | QEMU_AUDIO_DRV=alsa qemu -cdrom /home/sage/git/daily-image-builder/meego-images/0.20120315.0.2.NEMO.2012-03-15.6/images/nemo-handset-i586-vm/nemo-handset-i586-vm-0.20120315.0.2.NEMO.2012-03-15.6.img -smp 2 -m 512M -usbdevice tablet -soundhw ac97 | 09:26 |
| Sage_ | can't use qemu-kvm on my netbook ;) | 09:26 |
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| * Sage_ goes to post and to have some lunch | 09:27 | |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:34 |
| sledges | morning | 09:35 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: any ideas about the vm? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: could you try with virtualbox too? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | initrd is before mer stage | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: have to go grab some lunch, post some stuff and i'll be back after that | 10:37 |
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| Sage_ | ok | 10:38 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: well virtualbox says http://pastie.org/3600053 | 10:46 |
| Sage_ | Could not get the storage format of the medium | 10:47 |
| Sage_ | sure you used livecd before? | 10:47 |
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| Sage_ | Info: Installing: pam ++ [ 34/419]/usr/bin/install: error while loading shared libraries: libacl.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 10:56 |
| Sage_ | /usr/bin/install: error while loading shared libraries: libacl.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 10:56 |
| Sage_ | hmmp... | 10:56 |
| Sage_ | maybe something I did wrong | 10:56 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps, lbt: there is something wrong with pam/libacl in mer next | 11:07 |
| Sage_ | we haven't touched those though | 11:08 |
| lbt | hmm, were either of those touvh | 11:08 |
| lbt | ed | 11:08 |
| lbt | no... OK :) | 11:08 |
| Sage_ | no we haven't touched those in 4 months | 11:08 |
| lbt | where's the problem occuring? | 11:09 |
| lbt | mic I guess | 11:09 |
| Sage_ | when installing during mic | 11:10 |
| Sage_ | it seems that the libacl isn't available when pam is installed | 11:10 |
| Sage_ | have to check verbose output to confirm though | 11:10 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: the x86 adaptation drops to same spot than the vm | 11:22 |
| Sage_ | so it is more generic issue | 11:22 |
| * Stskeeps glances at queue numbers at post office | 11:25 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm no 297, current number is 257 | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure i can last that long.. | 11:26 |
| lbt | don't tell me... paper based so hard to hack | 11:27 |
| lbt | so you can probably jump 10 by editing the 9 to an 8 | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | did i mention most of those 40 are pensionists | 11:29 |
| lbt | shout "Free Tea outside" | 11:29 |
| * Stskeeps tries another post office | 11:32 | |
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| * Sage_ ponders where does the init come to the live image | 11:36 | |
| lbt | mic adds hardcoded packages depending on image type | 11:36 |
| lbt | which is cute | 11:36 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: that is just for tools, not the installation things | 12:00 |
| Sage_ | I'm mainly pondering where does that init to the liveos come. It is generated or already existing in some package? | 12:00 |
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| sledges | GLESTEST VISIBLE! 35 FPS! good? ;) | 12:02 |
| dm8tbr | which hw? :) | 12:03 |
| sledges | imx53 | 12:04 |
| Anssi138 | well it's not 60. | 12:05 |
| sledges | you think it can go 60 ? | 12:06 |
| sledges | i mean it's a QSB (mx53_loco) | 12:06 |
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| * Sage_ ponders where the initrd0.img file comes to livecd image | 12:11 | |
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| Sage_ | ah, there it is | 12:20 |
| Sage_ | mkinitrd package in x86 adaptation | 12:20 |
| Sage_ | grr | 12:23 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: show me mic log | 12:31 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: of what? :) | 12:32 |
| Sage_ | I figured this udevd thing already | 12:32 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, nemo mobile exposes same problem even though glestest works in Mer | 12:33 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: the libacl issue | 12:33 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: quick review if you could http://pastie.org/3600610 | 12:33 |
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| * sledges soz will re-ask in #nemomobile | 12:34 | |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: will do new log with --verbose of that | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: just came back after 2 hours, will be a moment :) | 12:34 |
| sledges | np ;) cheers! | 12:34 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://upstream-tracker.org/changelogs/libudev/181/changelog.html <- search /lib/udev/udevd | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: that makes sense then | 12:37 |
| Sage_ | we are going away from /sbin structure anyway so this is good for us | 12:37 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: mic log doesn't show the package intallation order anymore :/ | 12:38 |
| Sage_ | even with verbose and debug | 12:38 |
| Sage_ | can I force my terminal not to accept redrawing the last line? | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: stty hack maybe | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | export TERMINAL=vt100 or other insane stuff? | 12:39 |
| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/3600641 | 12:39 |
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| Sage_ | that is what I get atm. | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | er, TEMR= | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | TERM= | 12:40 |
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| Sage_ | grr | 13:24 |
| Sage_ | ok, doesn't complain about udev anymore :D | 13:24 |
| Sage_ | WARNING: CAnnot find root file system! :D | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | woops? | 13:24 |
| Sage_ | if [ ! -b /dev/root ] ; then | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | devtmpfs is enabled, right | 13:26 |
| Sage_ | in kernel? | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:28 |
| Sage_ | well the kernel is same than before so should be | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: give me your .ks | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | for what you're trying to build | 13:38 |
| Sage_ | vm or i586? | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | one of them with libacl.so. issu | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | e\ | 13:41 |
| Sage_ | all have that | 13:41 |
| Sage_ | even n900 | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | okay, just give me one of the.. | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:41 |
| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/3600994 | 13:41 |
| Sage_ | that is the vm image | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | and command line used to make it with? | 13:42 |
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| Sage_ | mic cr livecd handset-i586-vm.ks --cachedir=mic-cache --outdir=meego-images --arch=i686 --release=0.20120315.0.2.NEMO.2012-03-15.13 --record-pkgs=name --pkgmgr=yum | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, let's see.. | 13:45 |
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| Sage_ | hmmp | 13:53 |
| Sage_ | why didn't my udev fix go as a part of the image | 13:53 |
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| Sage_ | ah, that .ks file is missing one line | 13:54 |
| Sage_ | repo --name=mesa --baseurl=http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/sage:/branches:/CE:/Adaptation:/x86-generic/Mer_Core-next_i586/ --save --includepkgs=mesa-* | 13:54 |
| Sage_ | repo --name=mesa --baseurl=http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/sage:/branches:/CE:/Adaptation:/x86-generic/Mer_Core-next_i586/ --save | 13:55 |
| Sage_ | latter one | 13:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | Info: Installing: kernel-adaptation-pc +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [397/423]cp: cannot stat `/sbin/udevd': No such file or directory | 14:07 |
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| Sage_ | o_0 | 14:12 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I don't get that | 14:13 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: ah, you didn't add the repo ^ :) | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | okay.. | 14:14 |
| Sage_ | my bad | 14:14 |
| * Stskeeps continues diving into the libacl issue | 14:14 | |
| sledges | !seen nsuffys | 14:14 |
| MerBot | sledges: nsuffys was last seen in #mer 1 day, 22 hours, 25 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <nsuffys> Hi :) | 14:14 |
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| Sage_ | !seen Sage_ | 14:15 |
| MerBot | Sage_: Sage_ was last seen in #mer 39 seconds ago: <Sage_> my bad | 14:15 |
| Sage_ | :P | 14:15 |
| sledges | &) | 14:15 |
| * Stskeeps ponders about http://review.merproject.org/#patch,sidebyside,452,1,udev.spec | 14:17 | |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: can't you get yum to print something about cycles? | 14:18 |
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| Sage_ | to my defence the udev worked fine on n900,n950 and exopc when doing package update :) | 14:21 |
| * Stskeeps is trying to understand why this is even giving issues.. | 14:22 | |
| Stskeeps | let me just set up my new office with new keyboard and i'll look deeper | 14:22 |
| Sage_ | is qemu able to boot raw image? | 14:24 |
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| Sage_ | so live thingy is waiting udev to mount root | 14:27 |
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| * pdanek notifies Stskeeps to take-over that domain ;-) | 14:36 | |
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| * Stskeeps gives it a try.. | 14:40 | |
| Anssi138 | sledges: i don't know, probably not? ~60fps is just quite comfortable from user pov. | 14:41 |
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| sledges | Anssi138, don't think it can be user friendly experience to launch anything in this QSB, i'm just doing proof of concept and trying to squeeze the juices out :) | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: my registrar's payment server has an issue with a nonresponding gateway right now | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: i'll give it a try later tonight | 14:44 |
| Anssi138 | sure :) i just even wondered why i have such opinion but wikipedia knows to tell that "flicker fusion point, where the eyes see gray instead of flickering tends to be around 60 FPS" | 14:45 |
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| pdanek | Stskeeps: sure | 14:47 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: hint, | tee log | 14:51 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: hehe :) | 14:52 |
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| Stskeeps | i think.. | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok, not a resounding success | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | >P | 14:53 |
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| sledges | ah, thanks for such info Anssi138 , i thought you've benchmarked other boards with glestest so you know | 14:56 |
| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/3601484 | 14:57 |
| Sage_ | For some reason that doesn't seem to match the root on the device with new udev | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | is blkid on the initrd_ | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 15:02 |
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| Sage_ | yes | 15:17 |
| Sage_ | if it haven't moved from /sbin | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | i managed to get a ordered list of packages | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3601598 | 15:18 |
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| pdanek | pastie is better than pastebin? | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | i prefer pastie | 15:19 |
| Sage_ | pastie is cleaner than pastebin :) | 15:19 |
| vgrade | I posted this a day or so ago, [18:28] <vgrade> did the PATH on images change /sbin things not found? . Just though I'd mention again re /sbin | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:20 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: hmmp... so as I expected pam gets installed before acl | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: interesting enough.. why | 15:20 |
| Sage_ | rpm doesn't find the dependencies properly? cyclic deps? | 15:21 |
| dm8tbr | hmmm seems the snowball is melting... http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/14/us-stericsson-takeover-idUSBRE82D17D20120314 | 15:21 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3601630 | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: what is curious to me is that something is adding coreutils.. without satisfying it's dependencies | 15:22 |
| Sage_ | err... pam that should have been | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | actually.. | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | i have a bad feeling about this | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | another of the changes we did was making bash dep on system readline | 15:23 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3601640 | 15:24 |
| pdanek | where do I set paste expiration | 15:24 |
| Sage_ | pdanek: they allow max 64k pastie not sure if you can set expiration | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: can you do one on readline and bash? | 15:25 |
| Sage_ | sure | 15:25 |
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| Sage_ | readline http://pastie.org/3601650 | 15:26 |
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| Sage_ | bash http://pastie.org/3601655 | 15:27 |
| Sage_ | hmmp... libacl is needed by coreutils as well but installed after | 15:29 |
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| Sage_ | pam is also needed by coreutils | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | pam is needed by coreutils? | 15:30 |
| Sage_ | based on my n950 yes | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | @@%@^#@ | 15:31 |
| Sage_ | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/coreutils.git;a=blob;f=coreutils.spec;h=4982a0bbbaa6815fb9d797acf200f613a0f2f1bc;hb=HEAD#l59 | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | 29 # RMS will never accept the PAM patch because it removes his historical | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | 30 # rant about Twenex and the wheel group, so we'll continue to maintain | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | 31 # it here indefinitely. | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | 32 Patch706: coreutils-pam.patch | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | 33 Patch713: coreutils-4.5.3-langinfo.patch | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | that's it, RMS just made my list | 15:32 |
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| Stskeeps | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497570 | 15:35 |
| Sage_ | bash<-pam<-coreutils<-bash | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | and they're wondering why people use busybox.. | 15:37 |
| Sage_ | +1 for busybox :D | 15:37 |
| Sage_ | this can cause anything basically :/ | 15:37 |
| Sage_ | I wonder how did it come up only now though | 15:38 |
| Sage_ | bash readline maybe? | 15:38 |
| Sage_ | as you said | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 15:38 |
| * Stskeeps ponders how we can check | 15:38 | |
| Stskeeps | revert davids patch in a linkpac on COBS? | 15:38 |
| Sage_ | revert davids patch and have epoch there to get it installed for sure | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | other stuff we did: changed epochs in tar, etc | 15:39 |
| Sage_ | those shouldn't have done anything | 15:39 |
| Sage_ | because this is image creation not update | 15:39 |
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| Sage_ | merge busybox? :) | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | "Root causing in a full release is bloody difficult" | 15:41 |
| Sage_ | we just need to cut some more deps on the core to get it roll more smootly. | 15:41 |
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| Stskeeps | and QA checks to catch this stuff early.. | 15:42 |
| Sage_ | I'm not sure how we could have checked this | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | image build tests with things failing if postscripts fail | 15:42 |
| Sage_ | yes, well I meant that the core reason has been there for ages it just came up now :) | 15:43 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:43 |
| * Stskeeps revert's davids patch in a repo to check | 15:44 | |
| Sage_ | well that is the only package that has changed in that cycle | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | and udev deps | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3601809 | 15:45 |
| Sage_ | well udev gets installed very late and IIRC the deps reduced for udev in latest patch set | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | in other news, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1167596#post1167596 | 15:47 |
| Sage_ | ok, so the mkinitrd :) | 15:49 |
| pirut | coreutils 6.9 is ~5 years old | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | pirut: gplv2 fun | 15:50 |
| Sage_ | http://sage.kapsi.fi/Mer/tmp/nemo-vm-boot-fail-2.png | 15:51 |
| pirut | I realize :( | 15:51 |
| pirut | I have seen the same issue here, and the 'plan' is to replace coreutils features with busybox | 15:51 |
| pirut | but have only a min set of features from busybox enabled | 15:52 |
| pirut | so it will not have to replace many other packages | 15:52 |
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| Stskeeps | pirut: yeah, i had similar plans.. ideally a dual stack approach | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | but it's really hard to do "properly" | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | https://www.miraclelinux.com/jp/product-service | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | meego based digital signage | 15:58 |
| pirut | the proposal here was, to create a series of packages busybox-links-coreutils, busybox-links-bla ... and have only the "ln -s /bin/busybox .." in there | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:58 |
| pirut | then they would conflict the real packages | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | i have that in my OBS atm actually | 15:58 |
| pirut | great, I have not actually seen it in practise yet :) | 15:59 |
| pirut | it was a coffee discussion | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | pirut: i've seen really scary big decisions being made over coffee :) | 16:02 |
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| pwet | anyone here knows the state about cdc_ether vs cdc_eem, i've followed carefully the doc for usb networking with my n900 which recommend cdc_eem, but i get positive results only with cdc_ether (fedora 16, kernel 3.2.9), i asked a similar question in #maemo without success, then i'm asking here as it seems you're quite active, and sorry to not ask a question directly related to mer/nemo | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | pwet: /me tries to remember how it went | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | what OS does the n900 run? | 16:11 |
| pwet | maemo | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so, cdc_eem, as far as i recall, was enabled in the meego kernel, but it was cdc_ether or something like that in the maemo world | 16:12 |
| pwet | aaah ok | 16:12 |
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| pwet | thanks Stskeeps, i'll continue to digg, with that in mind | 16:13 |
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| * Sage_ feels lost with the mkinitrd | 16:16 | |
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| Stskeeps | check for a modern version of it? | 16:16 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: this is meego version | 16:18 |
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| Sage_ | upstream stopped around 2009 it seems :P | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:18 |
| Sage_ | in fedora mkinitrd is replaced by dracut | 16:19 |
| Sage_ | And I highly doubt that it is just simple replace to change to taht | 16:20 |
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| Sage_ | I would think that the fix is quite small that is needed. | 16:25 |
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| Sage_ | What does %N mean in udev rule? | 16:53 |
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| Sage_ | is there a nice sheet of those somewhere? | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: ok, fixing bash fixes the libacl issue | 16:54 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: until we do some other change that mades install order different :/ | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | right now i'm just thinking to revert that patch and make a new prerelease | 16:56 |
| Sage_ | echo "SUBSYSTEM==\"block\", PROGRAM=\"/sbin/blkid -s LABEL -o value %N\", RESULT==\"$CDLABEL\", SYMLINK+=\"root\"" > /etc/udev/rules.d/00-label.rules | 16:56 |
| Sage_ | is that %N same as %n ? | 16:56 |
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| Sage_ | have we touched blkid? | 17:01 |
| Sage_ | in this release that is | 17:01 |
| pirut | does anyone have any experience with lxc ? | 17:02 |
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| Sage_ | ok so part of coreutils and no | 17:03 |
| Sage_ | sry, util-linux | 17:03 |
| dm8tbr | pirut: what about it? | 17:04 |
| pirut | dm8tbr: when I try lxc-start ... I have an error "Failed to mount /dev/shm: No such file or directory" | 17:05 |
| pirut | the rootfs/dev/shm dir exists | 17:05 |
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| pwet | pirut: you probably need to mount a tmpfs on /dev/shm | 17:13 |
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| pirut | pwet: I have rootfs/etc/fstab entry mounting that and an entry in the container/fstab | 17:16 |
| pwet | pirut: if you use an initrd, maybe it needs it there, otherwise double check your paths, i fear i can't help a lot more | 17:24 |
| dm8tbr | pirut: for most distros there are quit good guides on how to set up LXC. did you follow one? | 17:24 |
| pirut | dm8tbr: yep :) and when I create a container from one of the default templates like lxc-ubuntu it works fine | 17:29 |
| dm8tbr | but? | 17:30 |
| pirut | but I have created a template for lxc-mer and used the chroot rootfs to populate it | 17:30 |
| pirut | and the lxc-create goes fine | 17:30 |
| pirut | but lxc-start fails | 17:30 |
| dm8tbr | is the shm message the only error you get? | 17:32 |
| dm8tbr | could you provide a complete pastebin of starting the container? | 17:32 |
| pirut | ie.org | 17:33 |
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| pirut | http://pastie.org/3602494 | 17:34 |
| pirut | dm8tbr: ^ | 17:35 |
| dm8tbr | pirut: ah, just what I expected, this is not an LXC error, it's something coming from init as that already got started | 17:36 |
| dm8tbr | I'm not familiar with the Mer boot process so far. Maybe Stskeeps could comment on what requires a tempfs on /dev/shm. | 17:38 |
| dm8tbr | pirut: I guess you'll need to allow the container to use/create tempfs instances | 17:39 |
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| dm8tbr | did someone use a Mer FS successfully with lxc before? if so it could help to get ahold of that config | 17:40 |
| pirut | dm8tbr: thanks! this narrows down the search quite a bit :) | 17:40 |
| pirut | I am not sure if someone has done it yet with lxc | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: only with osc build | 17:41 |
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| dm8tbr | k | 17:42 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: any idea about 'Error <mount>: Error creating ext4 filesystem on disk /dev/loop01' from mic? | 17:45 |
| pirut | Aard: are you using a .raw image ? | 17:45 |
| Aard | trying to make one | 17:46 |
| Aard | w00t. I just reflashed a n900 with maemo, and saw the ovi store icon. somehow I managed to miss all that time that n900 came with ovi store already | 17:48 |
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| pirut | Aard: *maybe* this can help http://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/convert-vm-iso | 17:50 |
| pirut | look for GOTCHA 1 | 17:50 |
| pirut | the .raw files have partitions | 17:50 |
| pirut | I needed something similar earlier | 17:51 |
| Aard | pirut: I'm trying to _create_ a new image using mic, so I'd expect mic to set it up. however, loop01 is definitely a wrong device name | 17:52 |
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| pwet | when following the doc to flash the n900 (disconnect cable, remove battery, starts flasher, connect cable, put battery) the phone creates two devices, one rom something and one firmware update something, and just after disconnect them (i don't know if that's my system which disconnect them or if the phone disable them itself), any clue or hint where to look at ? i got no cdc_phonet , i got a message telling unable to get BOS descriptor just after the system finds | 18:30 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm going to have to revert the system readline commit, hope that's OK | 18:33 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I'm pondering a bit about udev as well | 18:35 |
| pwet | at the same time, on the n900, i can see kernel logs, with the output from the autonfsroot.sh script given in the meego doc about usb networking nfs root | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: systemd needs new udev too, right | 18:36 |
| Sage_ | umm... no? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:38 |
| Sage_ | well I though so too at first but I couldn't find a dep | 18:38 |
| Sage_ | I'm trying with old udev if the stuff works with that | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | so you'd like to revert udev too? | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | i don't mind, i probably have to rebuild the tree anyway | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | because i'd really not like to get into 0.4 :) | 18:40 |
| Sage_ | if the problem isn't udev then well I have no idea :D | 18:42 |
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| * Sage_ checks again the diff list | 18:42 | |
| Sage_ | btw, it seems the blkid is the problem on the image but that might be cause by udev thing | 18:42 |
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| Stskeeps | if you can verify a revert will do the trick then i'm OK with revertign | 18:43 |
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| Sage_ | ok, seems to work better at least with the old udev 172 | 19:02 |
| Sage_ | booting vm image atm. | 19:02 |
| Sage_ | at least it found the /dev/root now that is link to sr0 | 19:02 |
| * Sage_ ponders does systemd require newer udev or not | 19:04 | |
| Stskeeps | well you'd find out pretty quick i guess | 19:04 |
| Sage_ | at least fedora requires >= 179 with systemd 41 | 19:05 |
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| Sage_ | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/README <- this says 172 | 19:06 |
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| Sage_ | did you accept udev or systemd first to mer trunk? | 19:06 |
| Sage_ | systemd apparently | 19:07 |
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| pwet | arrrr, it was too easy, there's now a static build of busybox for meego, but the kernel from meego 1.2 doesn't set CONFIG_USB_G_NOKIA_EEM , it could explain the funny behaviour of my n900 i believe | 19:12 |
| pwet | then return to start case : need to compile a kernel | 19:13 |
| pwet | for now, i'm just trying to follow the nfs root over usb networking meego doc, but for the latest release of meego, i have to adapt bits here and there, i haven't started to work with the nemo images | 19:15 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: well the vm image didn't boot to the ux but it booted much futher than with new udev. Flashing currently norma i586 image to check | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: so your call: should we revert udev or not and put things for a build for prerelease 0.3? | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: mild worrying thing.. localdep with bash doesn't rebuild everything | 19:35 |
| * pdanek notifies Stskeeps to give it a 2nd try | 19:35 | |
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| Stskeeps | pdanek: there, it went through | 19:37 |
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| pdanek | cool | 19:42 |
| pdanek | so now waiting phase | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo e8johan, did your talk go well in open source days? | 19:43 |
| e8johan | yes, I think it did | 19:43 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I would revert udev as it breaks the nemo x86 adaptation. Also PlasmaActive people are using the same adaptation so they will have problems as well. | 19:43 |
| Sage_ | Just booted Nemo image with udev 172 fine | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: OK | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | here we go then.. | 19:43 |
| Sage_ | otherwise the release seems ok by me | 19:44 |
| e8johan | stskeeps, I was meaning to ask you about Qt 5, but I already found it on the obs (thanks to vgrade) | 19:44 |
| Sage_ | got the x86 mesa working and n950 boots fine also | 19:44 |
| e8johan | I'll look first - ask questions later :-) | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | e8johan: alright - we're struggling to push out next release and after that it's heavy reviewing and integration time :) | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | of qt5 | 19:45 |
| e8johan | Stskeeps: I can imagine, still I'm only looking for something that I can get building using a piece of duct tape and a big hammer - I want to do some profiling :-) | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 19:46 |
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| pwet | Stskeeps: while reading the meego wiki to get info about setting up a cross-building env, i felt on your contact as the n900 meeego releases maintainer, how hard would it be for you to ask the build of a new kernel package with CONFIG_USB_G_NOKIA_EEM set in OBS? i've seen you're quite busy, i'm asking because it could take me again quite some time to get a local crossbuilding env ready | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | pwet: the (sad) story is that i no longer fullfill that role, but i'd gladly guide you on your way to do this yourself | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | pwet: it's actually surprisingily simple | 20:06 |
| pwet | okay, don't hesitate to give me pointers to some docs, i wouldn't eat too much of your time | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | pwet: first off, tell lbt your meego.com login name | 20:08 |
| pwet | ha! you lied! :p , i now need a meego account /o\ | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | you didn't say anything about eating some of -your- time | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | >P | 20:08 |
| pwet | hehe | 20:09 |
| pwet | okay, it's quite late here, i'll check that tomorrow/in some hours, happily it seems to not need too much info to get an account in meego.com, and that's funny to have two captchas | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | pwet: no problem, have a good evening | 20:12 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: re bash - yeah, I did wonder about that - I guess rpm dependency tracking needs a bit of work | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i was thinking a baseball bat is what rpm dependency tracking needs to feel | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | but hey, we broke fedora base;0 | 20:16 |
| lbt | ! | 20:16 |
| lbt | readline? | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:18 |
| lbt | :( | 20:18 |
| lbt | interesting thing to break though | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so, 0.3 tomorrow | 20:19 |
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| lbt | to late for tonight? | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: we're getting a very hard lesson in why we need automated QA | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: udev is reverting too | 20:20 |
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| * lbt wonders what would have caught these | 20:21 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: image testing and looking for failed scriptlets, as a start | 20:21 |
| lbt | that's good | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | udev bug would show as 'hey, x86 images stopped booting;'\ | 20:22 |
| lbt | so would still need some device connection.. 'k | 20:22 |
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| Sicelo | hi everyone | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | lo Sicelo | 20:43 |
| Sicelo | just the man i need. hi Stskeeps ;) | 20:44 |
| Sicelo | i came here a while ago, and asked about gprs on nemo/mer for N900. | 20:44 |
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| Sicelo | at that time, it was mentioned that at some point gprs didn't work because of some bug in the ui. someone gave me a link the bug report for that. i can't find it now, and i think it has the info i need now | 20:45 |
| Sicelo | would you happen to remember this bug Stskeeps? | 20:46 |
| Sicelo | ah, there's logs here :) | 20:46 |
| Sicelo | got it | 20:48 |
| Sicelo | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 | 20:48 |
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| vgrade | whats the procedure for booking a #mer-meeting time? | 21:40 |
| lbt | dunno - write it up when you make it up and you'll be good :) | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | check /Meetings , check mailing list, announce | 21:42 |
| lbt | I prefer my answer | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | and remember to tip the meetbot with a snack or he gets a taste for human flesh | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:43 |
| lbt | ok, now I prefer his answer | 21:43 |
| vgrade | I'll add something to http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Meetings | 21:43 |
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| vgrade | night | 23:28 |
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| lbt | night | 23:35 |
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