Thursday, 2012-03-15

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wmarone__time for this old motorola cablemodem to go away02:26
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* timoph needed to let out some steam yesterday (caused by not coding so much lately) and implemented a 9-line casino slot machine game :)06:12
timophc++ engine + qml ui06:12
* timoph feels better now06:13
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timophanyway. I've been a bit busy this week and haven't been following the sdk that closely..06:16
timophanything new in the image?06:16
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Stskeepsllvmpipe for starters06:17
Stskeepsupdated osc/build06:17
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Stskeepsmorn pirut06:29
Stskeepstimoph: the gdb one should be fairly important for sdk ;)06:31
Stskeepstimoph: still remaining to get a cross gdb though06:31
timophinterestingly ubuntu still ships too old libssh2 for testrunner-lite06:32
Stskeepsthat's kinda bizarre06:33
timophcan be compiled without it but the remote executor is slower06:33
Stskeepsyou'd assume it would be riddled with security holes :)06:33
* timoph replaces his ubuntu vm with a fedora one06:34
sonachStskeeps: what's the plan of wayland support on Mer?06:34
Stskeepssonach: it's mostly a qt5-related issue for me, as well as some bits and pieces related to dbus and how UI's are launched06:36
Stskeepssonach: i'd like to see wayland beyond intel graphics drivers and on some ARM targets as well -- in fact, i worked with wayland on OMAP3 devices at some point06:36
sonachStskeeps: How is the work going on about "wayland on OMAP3"?06:37
Stskeepssonach: well, i did this while i was doing contracting for Nokia and my priorities changed. however, there is working going on to wayland enable the OMAP4 chipset from Texas Instruments themselves06:38
Stskeepssonach: long story short, it's not terribly difficult to wayland-enable Mer as a proof of concept, but if you want to do it properly, you need qt5 instead of qt4.8.006:39
sonachStskeeps: Yes, and Mer will support qt5 next release?06:41
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Stskeepssonach: we'll try to integrate qt5 alpha yes06:41
Stskeepswell, next release = end of this month, not today/tomorrow :)06:42
sonachStskeeps: I can still use X11-fb for some months! If wayland on Mer functions well, I can directly move to wayland instead of DirectFB stuff.06:43
Stskeepsyeah, let's see how development goes06:43
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sonachI hope I can do something about this:)06:48
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Alison_ChaikenStskeeps, does Wayland require Lighthouse?   Is Lighthouse already in 4.8?06:52
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: it's there but it's not in horribly good shape. thiago has been patching it up a bit06:52
Alison_Chaikendm8tbr, is the rumored Archos official bootloader unlocker a reality now?06:52
Stskeepsif you want the proper QPA/lighthouse experience, qt5 is the way to go06:53
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sonachAlison_Chaiken: I make a preliminary decision to use wayland instead of QWS+DirectFB...Of course I should do more research and test...07:03
Stskeepssonach: the 'gap' in wayland would be that it's very EGL/GLES concentrated07:04
Stskeepsso you might not draw advantage of 2d acceleration07:04
sonachStskeeps: hmm,that is a bad news for me. so wayland is designed to run on platforms with 3D hardware?07:05
Stskeepsyes, that's one of the usages07:06
Stskeepsadmittedly you -can- do without egl/gles on there but it requires more work07:06
Stskeepssonach: do you have a list of what operations TDE/hisilicon 2d hardware can accelerate?07:06
sonachStskeeps: Yes, let me have a look now,07:07
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Stskeepssonach: ok07:15
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w00tStskeeps: is my soundtrack for the day07:22
Stskeepsw00t: are you trying to scare away your cats again?07:23
Stskeepsmorn vgrade o/07:24
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Stskeepsmorn Termana07:30
sonachStskeeps: what about the TDE 2d operations?07:32
dm8tbrAlison_Chaiken: it's very close, and I've seen it. proof (ofc on a wooden table!):
Stskeepssonach: ok, so, wayland operates with a compositor which basically composites together graphics buffers, and applications render into buffers07:33
Stskeepssonach: in GLES/EGL the compositor composites with the GPU hardware buffers and use of the 3d chip07:33
Stskeepsbut there is also option for 'shared memory' buffers, which is 2d graphics for example07:33
Stskeepsand a specially written compositor can use 2d operations to composite those buffers and put it on screen07:34
Stskeepskinda like directfb sawman does it07:34
Alison_ChaikenThanks, dm8tbr, I'll keep beavering on my other deadlines then and keep the Archos tablet in a safe place in the interim.07:34
Alison_ChaikenCustomer will visit on Tuesday, but I have other groovy stuff to show him.07:34
Alison_ChaikenAnd I could probably say that Debian is Mer anyway ;-)07:34
dm8tbrI really hope whatever is holding it back gets resolved soon. I'm sure _av500_ will let us know once that happens.07:34
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: ;)07:35
dm8tbrit's 'teh liniks'!07:35
Stskeepsi honestly wouldn't mind a statistic on how much code is actually common in mobile linux07:36
Stskeepsi'm fairly sure it's ~what mer contains07:36
Stskeepsplus minus some07:36
dm8tbrif you don't count android...07:36
Stskeepsyeah, but even android shares some components07:36
Alison_ChaikenAndroid shares less and less, as they're replacing bluez and getting rid of D-Bus.07:37
dm8tbrsure, I've seen the concept of dual-libc-userspace on android for years. it's proven to work :)07:37
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Alison_ChaikenBut at the same time, Android kernel is merging, and lots of userspace stuff is getting ported.07:37
dm8tbrthey are reinventing bluez?07:38
Alison_ChaikenI actually cross-compiled some C stuff using GCC last fall, linked against bionic libs, and just copied the binaries over to Android.07:38
Alison_ChaikenMostly they worked.07:38
Alison_ChaikenYep, dm8tbr, somewhere I read they've got a bluez replacement almost ready to go.07:39
Stskeepsbluez.. i think i might have actually heard of crazy people wanting closed source bits in bluetooth userland07:39
Stskeepsanyway, remember that today is the last day for submitting Tizen conference talk proposals07:40
Stskeepsin case you have anything useful to present that may match their area07:41
Termana"Start hype, speak nothing of it again"07:42
vgradeStskeeps, I've been wondering how anyone can propose a talk on Tizen at this stage07:42
Stskeepsvgrade: there was kinda the same problem in dublin, actually07:43
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Stskeepsi went for the old recipe of 'talk about some old, present some ideas, discuss problems that are generic for all of us to share the knowledge'07:44
sonachStskeeps: So on hardware with only 2D acceleration, DirectFB+Sawman/QWS is the best choice for me?07:46
Stskeepssonach: directfb+sawman + qt5, yes, probably07:46
StskeepsQWS is replaced with lighthouse/QPA in qt507:46
Alison_Chaikenvgrade, I put in an abstract where I promise to talk in general what features an attractive IVI distro will have, and compare how Tizen looks vs. GENIVI-approved existing distros.07:47
sonachStskeeps: sawman is still needed?07:47
Stskeepssonach: yeah, sawman is kinda like window manager07:47
sonachStskeeps: In my POV, QWS is a kind of window manager...07:47
Alison_ChaikenTizen-IVI is going to have a release RSN from what I hear.07:48
Alison_ChaikenQWS provides most of the same services as a WM>07:48
Stskeepssonach: it is, a bit, but i wouldn't rely on that approach..07:48
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StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: will be interesting to see what they have.. i personally have trouble believing they'll do anything serious on top of the published SLP stack07:49
Stskeepsso i hope that it's a more moblin like stack the IVI stuff is07:49
Stskeepsbut then again, it's just architectual curiousity07:49
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sonachStskeeps: If I use directfb+sawman on platforms with only 2D hardware, and use wayland on platforms with 3D hardware. The architecture seems very strange...07:51
Stskeepssonach: right, i should probably do some diagrams of how something like this would look from mer perspective07:51
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sonachStskeeps: Maybe I have to do like this. I should support these two kinds of hardware at the same time: directfb+sawman for low-end STBs, wayland for high-end STBs and TVs:)07:54
Stskeepsif we do things right, it won't matter to your applications what backend (directfb, wayland/3d) it uses07:55
sonachStskeeps: what do you mean?07:57
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sonachHow to do things right?07:58
Stskeepssonach: as in, the more we can seperate your application/UI from a specific hardware adaptation the better07:58
Stskeepsmeans you can change hardware quite easily07:58
sonachYes. But if Mer can achieve this, how is the software architecture then? I am puzzled...07:59
vgradeStskeeps, Alison_Chaiken, I think I'll just register as an attendee07:59
Stskeepssonach: ok, it's on my list today to start documenting mer architecture, hopefully it's easier to explain then08:00
sonachStskeeps: Cool! When will Mer achieve this goal? And in order to achieve this goal, what should be done?08:01
Alison_Chaikensonach, Qt-Lighthouse abstracts away the Window Manager and Compositor in a manner similar to a device driver hiding ioctls.08:01
Alison_ChaikenQt-Lighthouse's intention is to make code reuse with different WM on different platforms less painful.08:02
sonachAlison_Chaiken: ah, I am a little clearer now. If Mer integrates Qt5 and qt5 can work properly, then the goal achievs:)08:04
Bostikwork in progress...08:04
Alison_Chaikensonach, if if if!08:05
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Stskeepssonach: did you see the test tools we're starting to integrate in Mer?08:05
Alison_Chaikenvgrade, if my talk is accepted, you could always co-present if you wanted.08:06
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sonachAlison_Chaiken: so Qt-Lighthouse is similar to Surfacefingler?08:06
slainemorning all08:06
Stskeepsmorn slaine08:06
sonachStskeeps: not yet,08:06
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Stskeepssonach: is manual testing, is automatic08:07
Alison_Chaikensonach, Surfaceflinger is a particular compositor that Android uses.08:07
Alison_ChaikenBernard Rosenkrantz is porting it to Linux I think.08:07
Stskeepssonach: as well08:07
Alison_ChaikenBut Lighthouse is a meta-WM, a level above.08:07
Alison_ChaikenIt can even support Windows.08:07
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sonachAlison_Chaiken: hmm, Surfaceflinger is similar to wayland. But as far as I know, Android can support platform with only 2D hardware. How this is achieved?08:09
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Stskeepssonach: similar to how i described earlier, with a special compositor that uses shared memory buffers08:09
vgradeAlison_Chaiken, it would be good to see what Tizen IVI looks like.08:10
sonachStskeeps: what is the special compositor called?08:11
Stskeepssonach: special compositor is surfaceflinger in android case08:11
Alison_Chaikensonach, recent Android releases use Skia, separate from OpenGL or Surfaceflinger, to provide 2D acceleration.08:11
Alison_Chaikensonach, the best documentation ever about Skia and Surfaceflinger is in
Alison_ChaikenJim Huang of 0xlabs is a genius.08:13
sonachAlison_Chaiken: Stskeeps: I should do more research on this:)08:14
Alison_ChaikenBut it's way, way past my bedtime.  Nähdään.08:15
Stskeepsnight Alison_Chaiken08:15
sonachAlison_Chaiken: yes, I know of Jim Huang several years ago.08:15
sonachAlison_Chaiken: Good night:)08:15
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Stskeepsmdfe_: go for -next image attempt08:33
Sage_lbt is there guide for vendor obs setup that has sb2 included?08:35
Sage_also is there guide for fake obs setup?08:35
Sage_Mer wiki should have == Vendor == :)08:35
Sage_at front page08:36
Sage_well it has but it is just taht contact you guys :)08:36
mdfe_good morning08:36
mdfe_Stskeeps: ack08:37
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mdfe_Stskeeps: 0.20120315.0.2?08:39
mdfe_are additional packages needed?08:40
Stskeepsdon't be surprised if x86 image acts up08:40
mdfe_you talked something about virtualbox stuff08:40
mdfe_I will try a build08:41
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sonachStskeeps: I have viewed the result of testrunner. It seems that there are still some work to do in order to support OpenGL ES2?08:49
Stskeepssonach: hehe, this one has some failed ones because of hardware adaptation :)08:49
Stskeepssonach: one of the tests was so brutal it revealed a bug in the intel graphics hardware adaptation08:49
mdfe_Stskeeps: you dropped mesa stuff?08:50
Stskeepsmdfe_: yes, sage is working on mesa-intel-*08:50
Stskeepsmdfe_: it's replaced with a standard mesa-llvmpipe- in mer core itself08:50
sonachStskeeps: so what is the test result mean to me? I am not quite understand...08:51
Stskeepssonach: i just wanted to show the tools in action08:51
Stskeepssonach: this is a test that i run from my PC through network to my device08:51
sonachStskeeps: OK, maybe I can run it on my platform later?08:51
Stskeepsyes, possibly08:52
Stskeepsthat's the idea08:52
sonachok. that is good:)08:52
Stskeepsso you can verify your hardware adaptation works as intended, and mer too08:52
mdfe_Stskeeps: Is the "@Intel x86 Generic Support" package group customized in this way?08:53
Stskeepsmdfe_: it will be at some point, i think08:53
Stskeepssage's working on it08:53
mdfe_for next release?08:53
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mdfe_I will try out08:54
Stskeepsfor the stuff in CE:Adaptation:X86-generic yeah08:54
Stskeepsyou will likely need two images08:55
Stskeepsone -intel and one -vm08:55
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Stskeepsyeah.. well08:55
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Sage_I'll working for all of those for Nemo atm.08:56
mdfe_morn Sage_08:57
Sage_morn mdfe_08:57
mdfe_Sage_: it isn't possible to mix up the mesa-llvmpipe with mesa-intel stuff?08:58
Stskeepssadly no08:58
Stskeepsthey're configured in two different ways08:58
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mdfe_Sage_:  do you ship for the intel mesa dri-swrast-driver?08:59
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Sage_mdfe_: yes09:00
Sage_it is included to the existing group and your .ks files shouldn't need any change for it09:01
* Sage_ loves package groups09:01
mdfe_I see09:01
Stskeepswhy bother with -swrast, out of curiousity?09:01
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mdfe_just like to know all options09:02
Sage_Stskeeps: mesa-llvmpipe-dri-swrast-driver <- needed for vm?09:03
mdfe_imho by this we got PA running inside virtualbox09:04
mdfe_but not completly sure anymore09:04
StskeepsSage_: possibly, but actually first i'd avoid installing it09:05
StskeepsSage_: the reason is that if llvmpipe tries to do dri it comes awesomely slow instead09:06
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slaineisn't swrast slower that llvmpipe anyway09:12
slaineis llvmpipe complete enough to replace swrast then I guess would be the next question09:12
Stskeepsish, there is some quirks i'm not happy about09:13
Stskeepsand it doesn't work, at all, on arm09:13
mdfe_Stskeeps:mer_next Image was build with mesa-llvmpipe including dri-swrast-driver09:13
slaineI guess we need to keep it around so09:13
mdfe_Stskeeps: but sadly the ftp disk is full again09:13
mdfe_Stskeeps: I have to clean up, it will take a while09:14
Stskeepsyeah, we ran into same thing09:14
Sage_Stskeeps:  any idea if the package kit workaround in .ks file is still needed and what did does it do actually?09:15
StskeepsSage_: rpm --rebuilddb_09:16
Stskeepsyes, it's very needed09:16
Stskeepswe have included it as part of mer standard kickstarter now09:16
Sage_the initrd and core removals should be removed IMO09:18
Sage_those are hack to go around problems in build or packaging09:18
Stskeepsagreeed, i dont think we have those09:18
Sage_nemo has and am about to remove09:19
* Sage_ boots vm image of nemo and sees how it goes09:20
* Stskeeps prays09:20
Sage_error drm i915 can't work without intel_agp module....09:20
Stskeepswell, that's kernel09:21
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Sage_I had the dri in this image09:21
Sage_ok and fails to udevd warning and gives terminal09:22
* Sage_ takes a screenshot and shows09:22
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Stskeepsrpm -qa | grep xorg-x11-server09:24
Stskeepsor whatever the name was09:24
Sage_doesn't seem to be Xorg issue09:25
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Stskeepsoh, qemu09:25
Stskeepshow do you run it?09:25
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Sage_QEMU_AUDIO_DRV=alsa qemu -cdrom /home/sage/git/daily-image-builder/meego-images/0.20120315.0.2.NEMO.2012-03-15.6/images/nemo-handset-i586-vm/nemo-handset-i586-vm-0.20120315.0.2.NEMO.2012-03-15.6.img -smp 2 -m 512M -usbdevice tablet -soundhw ac9709:26
Sage_can't use qemu-kvm on my netbook ;)09:26
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lbtmorning all09:34
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Sage_Stskeeps: any ideas about the vm?10:35
StskeepsSage_: could you try with virtualbox too?10:36
Stskeepsinitrd is before mer stage10:36
StskeepsSage_: have to go grab some lunch, post some stuff and i'll be back after that10:37
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Sage_Stskeeps: well virtualbox says
Sage_Could not get the storage format of the medium10:47
Sage_sure you used livecd before?10:47
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Sage_Info: Installing: pam                  ++                                 [ 34/419]/usr/bin/install: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory10:56
Sage_/usr/bin/install: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory10:56
Sage_maybe something I did wrong10:56
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Sage_Stskeeps, lbt: there is something wrong with pam/libacl in mer next11:07
Sage_we haven't touched those though11:08
lbthmm, were either of those touvh11:08
lbtno... OK :)11:08
Sage_no we haven't touched those in 4 months11:08
lbtwhere's the problem occuring?11:09
lbtmic I guess11:09
Sage_when installing during mic11:10
Sage_it seems that the libacl isn't available when pam is installed11:10
Sage_have to check verbose output to confirm though11:10
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Sage_Stskeeps: the x86 adaptation drops to same spot than the vm11:22
Sage_so it is more generic issue11:22
* Stskeeps glances at queue numbers at post office11:25
Stskeepsi'm no 297, current number is 25711:26
Stskeepsi'm not sure i can last that long..11:26
lbtdon't tell me... paper based so hard to hack11:27
lbtso you can probably jump 10 by editing the 9 to an 811:27
Stskeepsdid i mention most of those 40 are pensionists11:29
lbtshout "Free Tea outside"11:29
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* Sage_ ponders where does the init come to the live image11:36
lbtmic adds hardcoded packages depending on image type11:36
lbtwhich is cute11:36
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Sage_lbt: that is just for tools, not the installation things12:00
Sage_I'm mainly pondering where does that init to the liveos come. It is generated or already existing in some package?12:00
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sledgesGLESTEST VISIBLE! 35 FPS! good? ;)12:02
dm8tbrwhich hw? :)12:03
Anssi138well it's not 60.12:05
sledgesyou think it can go 60 ?12:06
sledgesi mean it's a QSB (mx53_loco)12:06
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Sage_ah, there it is12:20
Sage_mkinitrd package in x86 adaptation12:20
* Stskeeps crashes12:29
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StskeepsSage_: show me mic log12:31
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Sage_Stskeeps: of what? :)12:32
Sage_I figured this udevd thing already12:32
sledgesStskeeps, nemo mobile exposes same problem even though glestest works in Mer12:33
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StskeepsSage_: the libacl issue12:33
Sage_Stskeeps: quick review if you could
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* sledges soz will re-ask in #nemomobile12:34
Sage_Stskeeps: will do new log with --verbose of that12:34
Stskeepssledges: just came back after 2 hours, will be a moment :)12:34
sledgesnp ;) cheers!12:34
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Sage_Stskeeps: <- search /lib/udev/udevd12:37
StskeepsSage_: that makes sense then12:37
Sage_we are going away from /sbin structure anyway so this is good for us12:37
Sage_Stskeeps: mic log doesn't show the package intallation order anymore :/12:38
Sage_even with verbose and debug12:38
Sage_can I force my terminal not to accept redrawing the last line?12:39
StskeepsSage_: stty hack maybe12:39
Stskeepsexport TERMINAL=vt100 or other insane stuff?12:39
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Sage_that is what I get atm.12:40
Stskeepser, TEMR=12:40
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Sage_ok, doesn't complain about udev anymore :D13:24
Sage_WARNING: CAnnot find root file system! :D13:24
Sage_    if [ ! -b /dev/root ] ; then13:25
Stskeepsdevtmpfs is enabled, right13:26
Sage_in kernel?13:27
Sage_well the kernel is same than before so should be13:30
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StskeepsSage_: give me your .ks13:38
Stskeepsfor what you're trying to build13:38
Sage_vm or i586?13:40
Stskeepsone of them with issu13:41
Sage_all have that13:41
Sage_even n90013:41
Stskeepsokay, just give me one of the..13:41
Sage_that is the vm image13:42
Stskeepsand command line used to make it with?13:42
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Sage_mic cr livecd handset-i586-vm.ks --cachedir=mic-cache --outdir=meego-images --arch=i686 --release=0.20120315.0.2.NEMO.2012-03-15.13 --record-pkgs=name --pkgmgr=yum13:43
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Stskeepsok, let's see..13:45
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Sage_why didn't my udev fix go as a part of the image13:53
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Sage_ah, that .ks file is missing one line13:54
Sage_repo --name=mesa --baseurl= --save --includepkgs=mesa-*13:54
Sage_repo --name=mesa --baseurl= --save13:55
Sage_latter one13:55
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StskeepsInfo: Installing: kernel-adaptation-pc +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++    [397/423]cp: cannot stat `/sbin/udevd': No such file or directory14:07
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Sage_Stskeeps: I don't get that14:13
Sage_Stskeeps: ah, you didn't add the repo ^ :)14:14
Sage_my bad14:14
* Stskeeps continues diving into the libacl issue14:14
sledges!seen nsuffys14:14
MerBotsledges: nsuffys was last seen in #mer 1 day, 22 hours, 25 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <nsuffys> Hi :)14:14
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Sage_!seen Sage_14:15
MerBotSage_: Sage_ was last seen in #mer 39 seconds ago: <Sage_> my bad14:15
* Stskeeps ponders about,sidebyside,452,1,udev.spec14:17
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StskeepsSage_: can't you get yum to print something about cycles?14:18
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Sage_to my defence the udev worked fine on n900,n950 and exopc when doing package update :)14:21
* Stskeeps is trying to understand why this is even giving issues..14:22
Stskeepslet me just set up my new office with new keyboard and i'll look deeper14:22
Sage_is qemu able to boot raw image?14:24
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Sage_so live thingy is waiting udev to mount root14:27
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* pdanek notifies Stskeeps to take-over that domain ;-)14:36
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* Stskeeps gives it a try..14:40
Anssi138sledges: i don't know, probably not? ~60fps is just quite comfortable from user pov.14:41
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sledgesAnssi138, don't think it can be user friendly experience to launch anything in this QSB, i'm just doing proof of concept and trying to squeeze the juices out :)14:43
Stskeepspdanek: my registrar's payment server has an issue with a nonresponding gateway right now14:44
Stskeepspdanek: i'll give it a try later tonight14:44
Anssi138sure :) i just even wondered why i have such opinion but wikipedia knows to tell that "flicker fusion point, where the eyes see gray instead of flickering tends to be around 60 FPS"14:45
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pdanekStskeeps: sure14:47
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StskeepsSage_: hint, | tee log14:51
Sage_Stskeeps: hehe :)14:52
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Stskeepsi think..14:52
Stskeepsok, not a resounding success14:53
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sledgesah, thanks for such info Anssi138 , i thought you've benchmarked other boards with glestest so you know14:56
Sage_For some reason that doesn't seem to match the root on the device with new udev14:58
Stskeeps is blkid on the initrd_15:02
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Sage_if it haven't moved from /sbin15:18
Stskeepsi managed to get a ordered list of packages15:18
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pdanekpastie is better than pastebin?15:19
Stskeepsi prefer pastie15:19
Sage_pastie is cleaner than pastebin :)15:19
vgradeI posted this a day or so ago, [18:28] <vgrade> did the PATH on images change /sbin things not found? . Just though I'd mention again re /sbin15:20
Sage_Stskeeps: hmmp... so as I expected pam gets installed before acl15:20
StskeepsSage_: interesting enough.. why15:20
Sage_rpm doesn't find the dependencies properly? cyclic deps?15:21
dm8tbrhmmm seems the snowball is melting...
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StskeepsSage_: what is curious to me is that something is adding coreutils.. without satisfying it's dependencies15:22
Sage_err... pam that should have been15:23
Stskeepsi have a bad feeling about this15:23
Stskeepsanother of the changes we did was making bash dep on system readline15:23
pdanekwhere do I set paste expiration15:24
Sage_pdanek: they allow max 64k pastie not sure if you can set expiration15:24
StskeepsSage_: can you do one on readline and bash?15:25
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Sage_hmmp... libacl is needed by coreutils as well but installed after15:29
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Sage_pam is also needed by coreutils15:30
Stskeepspam is needed by coreutils?15:30
Sage_based on my n950 yes15:31
Stskeeps  29 # RMS will never accept the PAM patch because it removes his historical15:32
Stskeeps  30 # rant about Twenex and the wheel group, so we'll continue to maintain15:32
Stskeeps  31 # it here indefinitely.15:32
Stskeeps  32 Patch706: coreutils-pam.patch15:32
Stskeeps  33 Patch713: coreutils-4.5.3-langinfo.patch15:32
Stskeepsthat's it, RMS just made my list15:32
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Stskeepsand they're wondering why people use busybox..15:37
Sage_+1 for busybox :D15:37
Sage_this can cause anything basically :/15:37
Sage_I wonder how did it come up only now though15:38
Sage_bash readline maybe?15:38
Sage_as you said15:38
* Stskeeps ponders how we can check15:38
Stskeepsrevert davids patch in a linkpac on COBS?15:38
Sage_revert davids patch and have epoch there to get it installed for sure15:39
Stskeepsother stuff we did: changed epochs in tar, etc15:39
Sage_those shouldn't have done anything15:39
Sage_because this is image creation not update15:39
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* Stskeeps looks at the postit on his table from several months ago15:41
Sage_merge busybox? :)15:41
Stskeeps"Root causing in a full release is bloody difficult"15:41
Sage_we just need to cut some more deps on the core to get it roll more smootly.15:41
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Stskeepsand QA checks to catch this stuff early..15:42
Sage_I'm not sure how we could have checked this15:42
Stskeepsimage build tests with things failing if postscripts fail15:42
Sage_yes, well I meant that the core reason has been there for ages it just came up now :)15:43
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* Stskeeps revert's davids patch in a repo to check15:44
Sage_well that is the only package that has changed in that cycle15:44
Stskeepsand udev deps15:45
Sage_well udev gets installed very late and IIRC the deps reduced for udev in latest patch set15:46
Stskeepsin other news,
Sage_ok, so the mkinitrd :)15:49
pirutcoreutils 6.9 is ~5 years old15:50
Stskeepspirut: gplv2 fun15:50
pirutI realize :(15:51
pirutI have seen the same issue here, and the 'plan' is to replace coreutils features with busybox15:51
pirutbut have only a min set of features from busybox enabled15:52
pirutso it will not have to replace many other packages15:52
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Stskeepspirut: yeah, i had similar plans.. ideally a dual stack approach15:56
Stskeepsbut it's really hard to do "properly"15:56
Stskeepsmeego based digital signage15:58
pirutthe proposal here was, to create a series of packages busybox-links-coreutils, busybox-links-bla ... and have only the "ln -s /bin/busybox .." in there15:58
pirutthen they would conflict the real packages15:58
Stskeepsi have that in my OBS atm actually15:58
pirutgreat, I have not actually seen it in practise yet :)15:59
pirutit was a coffee discussion15:59
* Sage_ clones udev16:00
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Stskeepspirut: i've seen really scary big decisions being made over coffee :)16:02
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pwetanyone here knows the state about cdc_ether vs cdc_eem, i've followed carefully the doc for usb networking with my n900 which recommend cdc_eem, but i get positive results only with cdc_ether (fedora 16, kernel 3.2.9), i asked a similar question in #maemo without success, then i'm asking here as it seems you're quite active, and sorry to not ask a question directly related to mer/nemo16:10
Stskeepspwet: /me tries to remember how it went16:11
Stskeepswhat OS does the n900 run?16:11
Stskeepsokay, so, cdc_eem, as far as i recall, was enabled in the meego kernel, but it was cdc_ether or something like that in the maemo world16:12
pwetaaah ok16:12
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pwetthanks Stskeeps, i'll continue to digg, with that in mind16:13
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* Sage_ feels lost with the mkinitrd16:16
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Stskeepscheck for a modern version of it?16:16
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Sage_Stskeeps: this is meego version16:18
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Sage_upstream stopped around 2009 it seems :P16:18
Sage_in fedora mkinitrd is replaced by dracut16:19
Sage_And I highly doubt that it is just simple replace to change to taht16:20
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Sage_I would think that the fix is quite small that is needed.16:25
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Sage_What does %N mean in udev rule?16:53
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Sage_is there a nice sheet of those somewhere?16:53
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StskeepsSage_: ok, fixing bash fixes the libacl issue16:54
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Sage_Stskeeps: until we do some other change that mades install order different :/16:55
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Stskeepsright now i'm just thinking to revert that patch and make a new prerelease16:56
Sage_            echo "SUBSYSTEM==\"block\", PROGRAM=\"/sbin/blkid -s LABEL -o value %N\", RESULT==\"$CDLABEL\", SYMLINK+=\"root\"" > /etc/udev/rules.d/00-label.rules16:56
Sage_is that %N same as %n ?16:56
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Sage_have we touched blkid?17:01
Sage_in this release that is17:01
pirutdoes anyone have any experience with lxc ?17:02
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Sage_ok so part of coreutils and no17:03
Sage_sry, util-linux17:03
dm8tbrpirut: what about it?17:04
pirutdm8tbr: when I try lxc-start ... I have an error "Failed to mount /dev/shm: No such file or directory"17:05
pirutthe rootfs/dev/shm dir exists17:05
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pwetpirut: you probably need to mount a tmpfs on /dev/shm17:13
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pirutpwet: I have rootfs/etc/fstab entry mounting that and an entry in the container/fstab17:16
pwetpirut: if you use an initrd, maybe it needs it there, otherwise double check your paths, i fear i can't help a lot more17:24
dm8tbrpirut: for most distros there are quit good guides on how to set up LXC. did you follow one?17:24
pirutdm8tbr: yep :)  and when I create a container from one of the default templates like lxc-ubuntu it works fine17:29
pirutbut I have created a template for lxc-mer and used the chroot rootfs to populate it17:30
pirutand the lxc-create goes fine17:30
pirutbut lxc-start fails17:30
dm8tbris the shm message the only error you get?17:32
dm8tbrcould you provide a complete pastebin of starting the container?17:32
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pirutdm8tbr: ^17:35
dm8tbrpirut: ah, just what I expected, this is not an LXC error, it's something coming from init as that already got started17:36
dm8tbrI'm not familiar with the Mer boot process so far. Maybe Stskeeps could comment on what requires a tempfs on /dev/shm.17:38
dm8tbrpirut: I guess you'll need to allow the container to use/create tempfs instances17:39
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dm8tbrdid someone use a Mer FS successfully with lxc before? if so it could help to get ahold of that config17:40
pirutdm8tbr: thanks! this narrows down the search quite a bit :)17:40
pirutI am not sure if someone has done it yet with lxc17:41
Stskeepsdm8tbr: only with osc build17:41
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AardStskeeps: any idea about 'Error <mount>: Error creating ext4 filesystem on disk /dev/loop01' from mic?17:45
pirutAard: are you using a .raw image ?17:45
Aardtrying to make one17:46
Aardw00t. I just reflashed a n900 with maemo, and saw the ovi store icon. somehow I managed to miss all that time that n900 came with ovi store already17:48
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pirutAard: *maybe* this can help
pirutlook for GOTCHA 117:50
pirutthe .raw files have partitions17:50
pirutI needed something similar earlier17:51
Aardpirut: I'm trying to _create_ a new image using mic, so I'd expect mic to set it up. however, loop01 is definitely a wrong device name17:52
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pwetwhen following the doc to flash the n900 (disconnect cable, remove battery, starts flasher, connect cable, put battery) the phone creates two devices, one rom something and one firmware update something, and just after disconnect them (i don't know if that's my system which disconnect them or if the phone disable them itself), any clue or hint where to look at ? i got no cdc_phonet , i got a message telling unable to get BOS descriptor just after the system finds18:30
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Stskeepslbt: i'm going to have to revert the system readline commit, hope that's OK18:33
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Sage_Stskeeps: I'm pondering a bit about udev as well18:35
pwetat the same time, on the n900, i can see kernel logs, with the output from the script given in the meego doc about usb networking nfs root18:36
StskeepsSage_: systemd needs new udev too, right18:36
Sage_umm... no?18:37
Sage_well I though so too at first but I couldn't find a dep18:38
Sage_I'm trying with old udev if the stuff works with that18:38
Stskeepsso you'd like to revert udev too?18:38
Stskeepsi don't mind, i probably have to rebuild the tree anyway18:39
Stskeepsbecause i'd really not like to get into 0.4 :)18:40
Sage_if the problem isn't udev then well I have no idea :D18:42
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* Sage_ checks again the diff list18:42
Sage_btw, it seems the blkid is the problem on the image but that might be cause by udev thing18:42
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Stskeepsif you can verify a revert will do the trick then i'm OK with revertign18:43
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Sage_ok, seems to work better at least with the old udev 17219:02
Sage_booting vm image atm.19:02
Sage_at least it found the /dev/root now that is link to sr019:02
* Sage_ ponders does systemd require newer udev or not19:04
Stskeepswell you'd find out pretty quick i guess19:04
Sage_at least fedora requires >= 179 with systemd 4119:05
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Sage_ <- this says 17219:06
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Sage_did you accept udev or systemd first to mer trunk?19:06
Sage_systemd apparently19:07
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pwetarrrr, it was too easy, there's now a static build of busybox for meego, but the kernel from meego 1.2 doesn't set CONFIG_USB_G_NOKIA_EEM , it could explain the funny behaviour of my n900 i believe19:12
pwetthen return to start case : need to compile a kernel19:13
pwetfor now, i'm just trying to follow the nfs root over usb networking meego doc, but for the latest release of meego, i have to adapt bits here and there, i haven't started to work with the nemo images19:15
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Sage_Stskeeps: well the vm image didn't boot to the ux but it booted much futher than with new udev. Flashing currently norma i586 image to check19:26
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StskeepsSage_: so your call: should we revert udev or not and put things for a build for prerelease 0.3?19:33
Stskeepslbt: mild worrying thing.. localdep with bash doesn't rebuild everything19:35
* pdanek notifies Stskeeps to give it a 2nd try19:35
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Stskeepspdanek: there, it went through19:37
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pdanekso now waiting phase19:42
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Stskeeps'lo e8johan, did your talk go well in open source days?19:43
e8johanyes, I think it did19:43
Sage_Stskeeps: I would revert udev as it breaks the nemo x86 adaptation. Also PlasmaActive people are using the same adaptation so they will have problems as well.19:43
Sage_Just booted Nemo image with udev 172 fine19:43
StskeepsSage_: OK19:43
Stskeepshere we go then..19:43
Sage_otherwise the release seems ok by me19:44
e8johanstskeeps, I was meaning to ask you about Qt 5, but I already found it on the obs (thanks to vgrade)19:44
Sage_got the x86 mesa working and n950 boots fine also19:44
e8johanI'll look first - ask questions later :-)19:45
Stskeepse8johan: alright - we're struggling to push out next release and after that it's heavy reviewing and integration time :)19:45
Stskeepsof qt519:45
e8johanStskeeps: I can imagine, still I'm only looking for something that I can get building using a piece of duct tape and a big hammer - I want to do some profiling :-)19:46
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pwetStskeeps: while reading the meego wiki to get info about setting up a cross-building env, i felt on your contact as the n900 meeego releases maintainer, how hard would it be for you to ask the build of a new kernel package with CONFIG_USB_G_NOKIA_EEM set  in OBS? i've seen you're quite busy, i'm asking because it could take me again quite some time to get a local crossbuilding env ready20:01
Stskeepspwet: the (sad) story is that i no longer fullfill that role, but i'd gladly guide you on your way to do this yourself20:01
Stskeepspwet: it's actually surprisingily simple20:06
pwetokay, don't hesitate to give me pointers to some docs, i wouldn't eat too much of your time20:08
Stskeepspwet: first off, tell lbt your login name20:08
pwetha! you lied! :p , i now need a meego account /o\20:08
Stskeepsyou didn't say anything about eating some of -your- time20:08
pwetokay, it's quite late here, i'll check that tomorrow/in some hours, happily it seems to not need too much info to get an account in, and that's funny to have two captchas20:10
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Stskeepspwet: no problem, have a good evening20:12
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lbtStskeeps: re bash - yeah, I did wonder about that - I guess rpm dependency tracking needs a bit of work20:16
Stskeepslbt: i was thinking a baseball bat is what rpm dependency tracking needs to feel20:16
Stskeepsbut hey, we broke fedora base;020:16
lbtinteresting thing to break though20:19
Stskeepslbt: so, 0.3 tomorrow20:19
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lbtto late for tonight?20:20
Stskeepslbt: we're getting a very hard lesson in why we need automated QA20:20
Stskeepslbt: udev is reverting too20:20
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* lbt wonders what would have caught these20:21
Stskeepslbt: image testing and looking for failed scriptlets, as a start20:21
lbtthat's good20:21
Stskeepsudev bug would show as 'hey, x86 images stopped booting;'\20:22
lbtso would still need some device connection.. 'k20:22
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Sicelohi everyone20:43
Stskeepslo Sicelo20:43
Sicelojust the man i need. hi Stskeeps ;)20:44
Siceloi came here a while ago, and asked about gprs on nemo/mer for N900.20:44
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Siceloat that time, it was mentioned that at some point gprs didn't work because of some bug in the ui. someone gave me a link the bug report for that. i can't find it now, and i think it has the info i need now20:45
Sicelowould you happen to remember this bug Stskeeps?20:46
Siceloah, there's logs here :)20:46
Sicelogot it20:48
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vgradewhats the procedure for booking a #mer-meeting time?21:40
lbtdunno - write it up when you make it up and you'll be good :)21:42
Stskeepscheck /Meetings , check mailing list, announce21:42
lbtI prefer my answer21:43
Stskeepsand remember to tip the meetbot with a snack or he gets a taste for human flesh21:43
lbtok, now I prefer his answer21:43
vgradeI'll add something to
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