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| Stskeeps | sonach: it's related to things like DRI2 | 07:34 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: and need to composite applications | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: things are moving towards more of a hybrid with the wayland thing | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | also the ability to leverage existing software | 07:35 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: also that would also break people's Requires: mesa strings which would be good as those are broken anyway ;) | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: yeah.. | 07:35 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: Maybe in my situation, it is no need to use X11 at all?? | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: that's what i'm hinting at, but it requires certain things from the hardware still | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | you need to check with mstar what windowing systems their opengl es support, for example | 07:36 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: how to understand "but it requires certain things from the hardware still"? | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: for example, directfb support, or open gl es that supports directfb/multiple windows | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: it's a mistake mesa was intel specific in the first place in mer | 07:37 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: true, but we should still have it with a different name IMO as mesa name in general is related to generic mesa adaptation... but well your call I can live with it | 07:39 |
| dm8tbr | sorry for the bad availability of MerBot recently. my upstream, although generally excellent, seems to be experience some problems as of recent... | 07:39 |
| Sage_ | just wondering if we will regret not renaming it after wards | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: it's ok | 07:39 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: i guess i'll send a test build through the system | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: urgh, now i recall the problem here.. CI has an issue where it takes the .spec name and we'll end up with two mesa implementations in one tree | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | and i don't have any Prefer:'s in there | 07:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: okay, think i can do the change, but if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:05 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: :P | 08:12 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: maybe wayland is the final solution? | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yes, but at the moment not very widespread | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | especially on ARM | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | maybe in half a year or one | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: i've sent the change for a manual DBC | 08:18 |
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| lbt | morning | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: seems 'build' was just a fluke | 08:51 |
| lbt | I thought so | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: what do you mean by symlink qemu btw | 08:51 |
| lbt | I used martin's commit message - I think this https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222 is related | 08:52 |
| lbt | https://github.com/Merproject/obs-build/commit/28c54d31b3aef25017d10f1dd4b8cb4351d33221 | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | okay, but for SB2 builds we don't use the host qemu, we use a dynamically linked one | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | so be careful how you tread | 08:53 |
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| Stskeeps | we install the proper one in preinstall/setup though | 08:53 |
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| Stskeeps | OK, 29gb worth of test images/videos backed up from testdata.meego.com | 08:54 |
| lbt | I can see #222 being a side effect of non sb2 build/osc | 08:54 |
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| Stskeeps | and for mer anyway we use project level qemus | 08:55 |
| lbt | What I didn't do was try a build without martin's commit | 08:55 |
| lbt | yes | 08:55 |
| slaine | morning folks | 08:56 |
| lbt | o/ | 08:56 |
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| * Sage_ is having problems with cloning mesa package from mer gitweb | 08:59 | |
| Sage_ | something broken or is it just me? | 09:00 |
| Sage_ | Receiving objects: 30% (8/26) | 09:00 |
| Sage_ | halts there | 09:00 |
| Sage_ | everytime | 09:00 |
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| slaine | disk problems where resolved right ? | 09:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: over ssh? | 09:02 |
| * lbt tries a clone | 09:02 | |
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| Sage_ | yes over ssh | 09:02 |
| Sage_ | git clone ssh://sage@review.merproject.org:29418/mer-core/mesa | 09:02 |
| lbt | Reiving objects: 88% (23/26), 8.75 MiB | 176 KiB/s | 09:03 |
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| lbt | all done | 09:03 |
| * Sage_ is having very bad week from network pov | 09:03 | |
| Sage_ | and no my disk isn't full | 09:04 |
| slaine | Sage_: Is your disk full | 09:05 |
| lbt | *g* | 09:05 |
| * slaine sniggers | 09:05 | |
| Sage_ | ;) | 09:05 |
| slaine | My favorite one here for a while, have you tried --prefix=/usr | 09:05 |
| slaine | :) | 09:05 |
| lbt | Sage_: for now : https://github.com/lbt/mesa | 09:07 |
| lbt | pushing at the moment# | 09:07 |
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| lbt | Sage_: done now - try a clone from there | 09:12 |
| lbt | then you should be able to remote add mer's repo and push OK | 09:12 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: so do libarchive & build look OK ? | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: yes, think so | 09:41 |
| lbt | I'm a bit worried about the inability to redo a build | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | redo? | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | you mean no-clean? | 09:41 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3592282 | 09:42 |
| lbt | yes | 09:42 |
| lbt | normally that works | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | known, you see that error: thing? | 09:42 |
| lbt | not sure if this is an sb2 "known bug" | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | it's known, fixed in later sb2 | 09:43 |
| lbt | that's fine then | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | it was shell quoting nightmare | 09:43 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | good morning mdfe | 09:43 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: awesome news :) | 09:43 |
| lbt | yes, I thought I knew that - but then saw your shell-quote commit - so wasn't sure if it should have fixed it | 09:44 |
| lbt | hey mdfe_ | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: it did, on obs side.. there was a problem in sb2 too | 09:44 |
| lbt | right | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: we'll have to do another prerelease, so we are probably going to miss the 0.20120315 deadline by a day | 09:44 |
| lbt | mdfe_: so if you could try that and see if it fixes it for you | 09:44 |
| mdfe_ | ok | 09:44 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: 0.20120315.0.1 ist the latest pre-release state? | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes, except there's a high likelyhood you can't make images with that release :/ | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | working to sort that out today | 09:59 |
| mdfe_ | does it make sense to build a image from another pre-release? | 10:00 |
| mdfe_ | right now | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | not right now, but i'd like you to do one when we've done 0.2 today | 10:01 |
| mdfe_ | ok | 10:01 |
| mdfe_ | just drop me a line when it makes sense | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 10:01 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 10:02 |
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| jukkaeklund | so, what logs should I get to https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214 | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Debugging as a start | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | we should really make something so it's easy to add those settings.. | 11:42 |
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| Stskeeps | once you have a corefile in /tmp that's a good start | 11:44 |
| jukkaeklund | thanks, let's see.. | 11:45 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo simon | 12:15 |
| jukkaeklund | stskeeps, so I got core for duicontrolpanel but not for connmand | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: that works too ;) | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | so we have two bugs | 12:17 |
| jukkaeklund | need to write a new bug, but thats for nemo? | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | interesting connman doesn't core.. | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | connman crashes, right | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | but doesn't dump core | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: did you reboot after adding those things? | 12:21 |
| jukkaeklund | hmm.. not sure | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | might be needed to get connman to core | 12:22 |
| jukkaeklund | think I did | 12:22 |
| jukkaeklund | re-testing | 12:22 |
| jukkaeklund | ok, got connmand core too | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | now zypper in connman-debuginfo glibc-debuginfo | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | what's the name of the connman core in /tmp ? | 12:35 |
| jukkaeklund | before or after? | 12:35 |
| jukkaeklund | didnt zypper yet | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | zypper in connman-debuginfo glibc-debuginfo first | 12:36 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | one of the QA tools is to be able to send core files to a central server for analysis | 12:40 |
| jukkaeklund | yep | 12:40 |
| jukkaeklund | core-connmand-11-895-1331727745 | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok, now (after zypper is done), gdb connmand /tmp/core-connmand-11-895-1331727745 | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | and use 'bt' command | 12:41 |
| jukkaeklund | err.. | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | oh, errr | 12:43 |
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| jukkaeklund | usb mass storage is broken.. | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't about that.. i just realized you might have a version that erm, doesn't have gdb | 12:44 |
| jukkaeklund | looks like that | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -qa | grep connman | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | (need the version) | 12:50 |
| jukkaeklund | http://pastie.org/3593277 | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | okay, any way you can scp / transfer out the core file? | 12:53 |
| jukkaeklund | yea.. | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | gzip it first for your own sanity's sake | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | this is much more difficult than it should be :) | 12:54 |
| jukkaeklund | ok, attached | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | attached to..? | 13:03 |
| jukkaeklund | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214 | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | i'll take a peek | 13:04 |
| jukkaeklund | fyi, I got the harmattan source DVD | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i saw | 13:04 |
| jukkaeklund | now waiting for somebody to tell where to upload stuff.. | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: n900 or n950 image? | 13:09 |
| jukkaeklund | n950 | 13:10 |
| jukkaeklund | all my N900s have been cold for some time.. | 13:11 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: you'll be on tonight to conduct the prerelease? | 13:25 |
| lbt | sure | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think we have to be reasonable and delay the final release to friday | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | which sucks but.. it was needed | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | better than a huge amount of time like last | 13:27 |
| lbt | OK - are there any other issues - or tests needed | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | we couldn't build image yesterday so "not good enough" | 13:27 |
| lbt | arcomivi: here is fine to discuss too | 13:32 |
| lbt | arcomivi: so you want to build Navit against Mer and MeeGo ? | 13:34 |
| arcomivi | lbt: yes that is right and the repositories on build.pub.meego.com and build.meego.com are not in sync. | 13:34 |
| lbt | so any of the dependencies will also need to be built against Mer anyway | 13:35 |
| lbt | we don't particularly sync the c.obs with MeeGo anymore iirc | 13:35 |
| lbt | there are copies of latest releases | 13:36 |
| arcomivi | lbt: ok, that is good to know, the latest releases, I think that is fine. | 13:36 |
| lbt | you can also copypac from one OBS to another | 13:36 |
| arcomivi | lbt: yes that would be the last resorts solution if package building would not work fine. I will try with as-is state. | 13:37 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: I closed #221 maybe it should be reopened till the update is release? | 13:38 |
| lbt | arcomivi: if you aim to build on Mer then I think you'lll need to copy over dependencies and build them against mer too | 13:38 |
| lbt | mdfe_: we'll pretend :) | 13:38 |
| arcomivi | lbt: that is a way out too, and that leads me to generall question of placing packages. Since Navit is a package for general use in Mer, should we have a project for such, maybe ivi project. And for dependencies, where to put them? | 13:40 |
| lbt | arcomivi: initially the solution is to make a subproject in your home area and put all the dependencies in there | 13:40 |
| arcomivi | lbt: a lot of questions, but i think it is needed :) | 13:40 |
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| lbt | np at all | 13:40 |
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| lbt | once we see the dependencies we can start to look at allocating them | 13:41 |
| arcomivi | lbt: ok, will do, subproject for Navit and dependencies first and than we will see. | 13:41 |
| arcomivi | exactely. | 13:41 |
| lbt | hmm | 13:41 |
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| lbt | I wonder if Mer should have a regular "what's happening nearby" meeting | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | or just a culture of being verbose.. | 13:42 |
| arcomivi | lbt: you mean for this stuff? | 13:43 |
| lbt | where people can just say what cool stuff they're working on | 13:43 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yep - but it's nice to have a get-together ... we're here all the time so we see it all | 13:43 |
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| lbt | just thinking out loud ... verbosely :) | 13:43 |
| lbt | arcomivi: yes - so someone else can say "oh, I needed gpsd but never got round to it - or even : I packaged that last week it's in ... " | 13:44 |
| lbt | ok ... food ... bbiam | 13:45 |
| arcomivi | lbt: yes this will obviously happen if not picked up early enough. | 13:46 |
| arcomivi | we would have to channelize this somehow. | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: ok, collected backtrace | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: we so need a better way for this | 13:47 |
| arcomivi | maybe some kind of guide would help, at least for starting, i mean - if you want to create / import a new package such as gpsd, first look into project XYZ | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:48 |
| arcomivi | ok, just searched for gpsd, already in 7 projects ;S | 13:50 |
| arcomivi | but still, that would be a temporary solution. | 13:50 |
| arcomivi | I would call such a Project devel:Mer | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not terribly against gpsd/geoclue/gypsy in mer, fwiw | 13:53 |
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| arcomivi | not terribly against, but? | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | can navit use geoclue, out of curiousity? | 13:56 |
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| arcomivi | not that I know of. It is not a dependency at least. | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | i'm really going to have to do those architectual diagrams at some point.. | 13:58 |
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| arcomivi | we will have time for documentation once the developed functionality is working ;) | 13:59 |
| arcomivi | ok, but if not devel:Mer, maybe devel:<something else> if Mer is not the right place. | 14:01 |
| arcomivi | Stskeeps: just think about this, we can talk later, I would not prepare the pacakges until this evening anyways. | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm thinking about it | 14:03 |
| arcomivi | I have to to my daily job as well ;) | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | the reason i'm a bit queasy is that the [gpsd, gypsy, etc] backend stuff is a bit unclear for app side | 14:03 |
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| Stskeeps | and it'd be better if people spoke QtLocation or geoclue | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | i used to be assisting a phd in positioning technologies, so i have some professional reservations against some of those apis ;) | 14:04 |
| arcomivi | no problem, so we do not use devel:Mer , but still new packages have to be put somewhere. | 14:05 |
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| niqt | i want run nemo i586 on CLE266, thus i run ccd2iso nemo-handset-i586-0.20120209.1.NEMO.2012-03-01.2.img nemo-handset-i586-0.20120209.1.NEMO.2012-03-01.2.iso | 14:53 |
| niqt | buti have Unrecognized sector mode (c0) at sector 0! | 14:53 |
| niqt | have i build iso mer? | 14:54 |
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| slaine | can't you just dd the .img to a usb stick ? | 15:07 |
| slaine | boot from that ? | 15:07 |
| niqt | no | 15:10 |
| niqt | now using mic-image-convertor | 15:10 |
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| vgrade | timoph, is there a SDK meeting this week, one of the plasma active guys was asking ? | 15:26 |
| niqt | freeze on grub countdown :( | 15:26 |
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| timoph | vgrade: yeah. friday 10utc (didn't hear complaints about the time :)) | 15:31 |
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| vgrade | timoph, ok thanks can you copy in active@kde.org | 15:32 |
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| timoph | vgrade: will do | 15:35 |
| vgrade | thanks | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: for the reading pile, https://events.linuxfoundation.org/images/stories/pdf/lf_abs12_kridner_mohammed.pdf | 15:41 |
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| niqt | slaine, i don't remember have you a cle266? | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | niqt: are you using the i486 port? | 15:50 |
| niqt | no i586 | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | you probably should use i486 | 15:50 |
| niqt | ok | 15:50 |
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| slaine | i586 should be fine Stskeeps, they're valid 686 processors | 15:53 |
| slaine | niqt: I do, but I've not run mer on them | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: i586 === atom | 15:54 |
| slaine | as in ssse3 ? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, i can understand how that's confusing.. | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:54 |
| slaine | Ah ok | 15:54 |
| slaine | niqt: go with 486 | 15:54 |
| niqt | ok, but i don't found 486 link | 15:56 |
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| sledges | how weird Stskeeps, mer-core-armv7hl-connectivity-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks does not react to keyboard (but xorg accepts Ctrl+Alt+F2 and I can type in console) ... | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: xorg-x11-drv-evdev installed? | 17:17 |
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| sledges | (mouse works btw, so i assume yes? | 17:22 |
| sledges | let me check | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | check xorg.0.log | 17:23 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, it is not installed.... | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok, hen install it | 17:24 |
| sledges | would have been good to come back to xorg-x11-drv-video/input/etc-<name> scheme, I just chucked all those drivers and left -imx only, thinking they're all videoz :)) | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:25 |
| sledges | hmmm: mic: Error <creator>: Failed to find package 'xterm' : No package(s) available to install | 17:25 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, what terminal could I use in X ? | 17:30 |
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| Stskeeps | hello pwet | 17:38 |
| pwet | muh, hello \o | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | so what brings you here to #Mer ? | 17:39 |
| pwet | i'm finishing to look in mer website, but i'd like to adapt the usb-nfs-root doc from meego to mer | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a good thing to do | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | very typical use case for developers | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | let me know if you have any quetions :) | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | er, questions | 17:42 |
| pwet | do you know by any chance if mer use/packaged busybox? i can't find it in the repo | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | we have one in progress but it's meant as a coreutils/etc replacement inside the system | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | not as static | 17:42 |
| pwet | or if there's a mer way to recompile the kernel ? (that's what i'm trying to find actually on the website) | 17:42 |
| pwet | ok | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | mer doesn't, surprisngily, have a kernel | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | it's part of hardware adaptations | 17:42 |
| pwet | i'm confused, do you mean there's no kernel even in the mer images ? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | so, mer is a core -- you combine it with a hardware adaptation and it can boot to a command line, combine with a ui and it boots to ui | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | in practice, most devices have widely different kernels | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | so, in images, there's a kernel usually, as those images are for certain hw | 17:46 |
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| tommis | Error: Please specify main repo name using --mainrepo option. | 17:51 |
| tommis | happened during image creation | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | tommis: get mer platform sdk | 17:52 |
| tommis | D: | 17:52 |
| tommis | there isn't apt repo? | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | no, for reasons like your error here | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | there | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 17:53 |
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| pwet | Stskeeps: is daily-image-builder used to build images for n950, n9 and i586 ? i've read the git tree (very) quickly, and i can find references only to n900. I'm trying to find how the kernel for n900 is built | 18:09 |
| pwet | in the images | 18:09 |
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| lbt | pwet: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN950-N9 | 18:18 |
| lbt | and for N900 https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900 | 18:19 |
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| pwet | lbt: thank you it seems to give me a good track for the next steps, and thank you Stskeeps | 18:27 |
| tommis | i can't curl the newest sdk | 18:27 |
| tommis | curl -k -O https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/latest/images/mer-sdk-i486-chroot/<LATEST> | 18:27 |
| lbt | pwet: so what's your goal? just hacking on the N900 ? | 18:27 |
| lbt | tommis: hmm let me look | 18:27 |
| tommis | returns | 18:28 |
| tommis | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' | 18:28 |
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| vgrade | did the PATH on images change /sbin things not found? | 18:28 |
| lbt | tommis: so did you literally use "<LATEST>" ? | 18:28 |
| tommis | ftw | 18:28 |
| tommis | sdklfjasdlkfj | 18:29 |
| * lbt backs away slowly whilst trying not to make eye contact .... | 18:29 | |
| tommis | i haven't curled things before | 18:29 |
| lbt | *g* | 18:29 |
| tommis | SHAME | 18:29 |
| lbt | look here https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/latest/images/mer-sdk-i486-chroot/ | 18:29 |
| lbt | curl is like wget and just does a download of the file :) | 18:30 |
| pwet | lbt: for now, yes | 18:30 |
| lbt | pwet: OK, I just keep an eye open for people looking to use Mer in more commercial settings too | 18:31 |
| lbt | given that's our raison d'etre | 18:31 |
| tommis | so i should download all three files? | 18:31 |
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| lbt | tommis: no, just the tarball | 18:32 |
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| bigbluehat | Stskeeps: not Nyx, but maybe some useful bits: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2012/03/sams-blog-a-community-release/#more-5338 | 18:32 |
| bigbluehat | http://developer.palm.com/blog/2012/03/sams-blog-a-community-release/#more-5338/ (so you can start at the top ;) ) | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: hmmm.. | 18:35 |
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| bigbluehat | Stskeeps: might be nothing | 18:39 |
| bigbluehat | who knows :) | 18:39 |
| * bigbluehat still watching for Nyx for ya | 18:39 | |
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| Stskeeps | " We will stick to our schedule of releasing our abstraction layer and components in the next few days in anticipation of the release of Linux 3.3." is interesting | 18:54 |
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| wmarone | ? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | webos | 19:01 |
| wmarone | ahh | 19:01 |
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| harbaum | vgrade: You also have a beaglebone? The list of devices you don't have is rather short, isn't it? | 19:12 |
| vgrade | harbaum, :) | 19:18 |
| pwet | Stskeeps: is it planned to add a checksum file, signed or not, especially in the images directories, to check the downloads ? | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | pwet: are we speaking Nemo or releases.merproject.org at the moment? | 19:19 |
| vgrade | harbaum, still trying to get a transformer prime though. Love that tablet, notebook idea. And the Tegra 3 inside | 19:19 |
| harbaum | the number of tablets one is able to use at once is pretty limited | 19:20 |
| * _av500_ uses 3 around the house | 19:22 | |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: you don't have desires to put a wall full of tablets? ;) | 19:22 |
| harbaum | i still couldn't convice myself to get one. | 19:22 |
| harbaum | Actually i'd like to mount one in my living room to monitor the solar panels | 19:22 |
| _av500_ | tablet discharged, solar power loss :) | 19:23 |
| harbaum | nah, i still have utility for backup | 19:23 |
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| pwet | Stskeeps: mer project i believe, i'm sorry, it's still a bit confusing to me, there for example http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20120209.1.NEMO.2012-03-01.2/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900/ | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so, Nemo is a project that builds on top of Mer | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | that doesn't current sign images | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | Mer itself, has RPM repositories we're going to sign in the future when we have a proper secure storage of signing keys | 19:42 |
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| pwet | i'm not going to be pushy or anything, but i would take even a not signed checksums for the nemo images, they are quite big downloads | 19:47 |
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| Stskeeps | agreed, you could also build the images yourself with mer platform sdk | 19:48 |
| pdanek | is there some cooperation between Mer and Tizen already? | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: Tizen doesn't currently operate in the open and only dumps code | 19:50 |
| pdanek | ah right | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | so, i'd rate it a 'not that terribly much' | 19:50 |
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| _av500_ | Stskeeps: submit a paper about that :) | 19:50 |
| pwet | Stskeeps: i'll probably check that, i think i'll be fine with the prebuilt ones for now, and thanks again | 19:50 |
| pdanek | so basically only truly open developed systems now, seem to be Mer and Boot to Gecko | 19:50 |
| _av500_ | and openmoko | 19:51 |
| pdanek | well, I mean projects related to it | 19:51 |
| pdanek | openmoko itself not anymore | 19:51 |
| _av500_ | pdanek: b2g sits on top of android, no? | 19:51 |
| pdanek | SHR | 19:51 |
| pdanek | etc. | 19:51 |
| pdanek | _av500: no, where you heard that? | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: i decided it was better to try and change the world instead of fighting things i can't change anyway | 19:51 |
| pdanek | _av500: I don't know where these scams come from | 19:52 |
| _av500_ | hmmm | 19:52 |
| _av500_ | maybe i misread | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: b2g sits on top of gonk which is android-derived | 19:52 |
| _av500_ | right | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | it can sit on top of others | 19:52 |
| pdanek | yea, it uses some low level stuff from it, libs maybe, debugger | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: bionic as a start, RIL.. | 19:53 |
| pdanek | to have better portability also to already existing Android devices | 19:53 |
| pdanek | but if there is anything propietary | 19:54 |
| pdanek | they remove it, and write open-source derivate | 19:54 |
| pdanek | Dalvik removed | 19:54 |
| pdanek | etc. | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | either way, not criticising B2G | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | it's a different approach but for all intents and purposes, it's android-derived | 19:54 |
| pdanek | and the development, is completely open, current source code available all the time | 19:54 |
| pdanek | kind-of | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | as it relies on components that are developed in closed mode and will have to catch up with them | 19:55 |
| pdanek | not far far far away from regular Android ROM like Cyanogen | 19:55 |
| pdanek | yea but Mozilla does not use any closed components | 19:55 |
| pdanek | they remove everything what is close | 19:55 |
| pdanek | as far I know | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | when i say closed mode, i mean the open components that are only code dumped in AOSP | 19:56 |
| pdanek | :) | 19:56 |
| pdanek | k | 19:56 |
| pdanek | but I think it's nice approach for web in general | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | it has it's place | 19:57 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: still around? | 20:49 |
| lbt | yep | 20:49 |
| pdanek | lbt: you get my mail? | 20:49 |
| lbt | pdanek: I did thanks | 20:50 |
| lbt | not sure when I'll action it though | 20:50 |
| lbt | I meant to ask if there's any time pressure on your side? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm fighting a bit to get repo.ci repos in shape for prerelease, so wondering how long time you're around tonight | 20:51 |
| lbt | 3hrs probably | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully i'm done in 1 | 20:52 |
| lbt | can be longer if we need | 20:52 |
| pdanek | well, I would like to throw this registrar accont away soon | 20:54 |
| pdanek | up to 1 week | 20:54 |
| pdanek | when I finish transfer of my domains | 20:54 |
| pdanek | if you got few spare bucks, it's few minutes to initiate the transfer | 20:55 |
| pdanek | since you have the auth. code now | 20:56 |
| lbt | ah, OK | 20:56 |
| lbt | I won't pay even $5 to 1&1 | 20:56 |
| lbt | never again | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | i can take it if you want.. | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:57 |
| lbt | I'll fwd | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:58 |
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| lbt | done | 20:58 |
| pdanek | cool | 20:59 |
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| Stskeeps | pdanek: i'll sort it out tomorrow | 21:09 |
| pdanek | k | 21:23 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: please go ahead with 0.2 | 21:25 |
| lbt | will do | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | i had to ignore dontuse/ for various reasons or i would have to rebuild a large bunch of stuff | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | publishfilter == evil | 21:27 |
| lbt | did 'build' cause a huge rebuild in the end? | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | no | 21:28 |
| lbt | good | 21:28 |
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| lbt | OK - I take it OBS is idle | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:30 |
| lbt | you've tagged? | 21:30 |
| * lbt hears the keys tapping | 21:31 | |
| Stskeeps | is now | 21:31 |
| lbt | running | 21:32 |
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| lbt | one thing I don't have is release note generation | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i know | 21:34 |
| lbt | pastebin is fine until MDS2 | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | remember, 0.2, not .1 | 21:35 |
| lbt | :) | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3596615 | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | that's 0.1 -> 0.2 | 21:35 |
| lbt | ok | 21:36 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: sanity check when rsynced.. make sure sb2-tools-*-inject rpms are not there, or *dontuse* | 21:44 |
| lbt | OK | 21:45 |
| lbt | eg http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120315.0.1/builds/armv7hl/packages/armv7hl/sb2-tools-armv7hl-inject-1.0-1.21.armv7hl.rpm | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. that one shouldn't be thre | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | it's OK in OBS repo but not in release reo | 21:47 |
| lbt | OK, so if they're present then don't do a -next run on c.obs | 21:47 |
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| lbt | have you hacked the script? | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | i modified publishfilter but i would have to retrigger glibc-arm and such too | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | and i don't want to do that | 21:48 |
| lbt | OK | 21:48 |
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| Stskeeps | so i hacked the script to ignore dontuse/ | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | as a temporary measure | 21:50 |
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| lbt | mutter ... out of disk | 22:36 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: I'm going to move /home/imbackup to phost2 | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | and extend merreleases? | 22:59 |
| lbt | limited choices right now :) | 22:59 |
| lbt | yes | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | or you could just mv old releases to imbackup, but i like your direction.. | 23:00 |
| lbt | *nod* - I wasn't sure how you had been doing that | 23:01 |
| lbt | it may take a while... | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | mv | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | just take some old releases and put them on imbackup, get release out | 23:02 |
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| Stskeeps | then we can extend later | 23:02 |
| lbt | OK | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 23:03 |
| lbt | monster:/home/merreleases/public_html # mv obs-repos/Core\:*0.2011* /home/imbackup/ | 23:04 |
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| lbt | they'll sit alongside the others then | 23:04 |
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