Wednesday, 2012-03-14

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Stskeepssonach: it's related to things like DRI207:34
Stskeepssonach: and need to composite applications07:34
Stskeepssonach: things are moving towards more of a hybrid with the wayland thing07:34
Stskeepsalso the ability to leverage existing software07:35
Sage_Stskeeps: also that would also break people's Requires: mesa strings which would be good as those are broken anyway ;)07:35
StskeepsSage_: yeah..07:35
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sonachStskeeps: Maybe in my situation, it is no need to use X11 at all??07:35
Stskeepssonach: that's what i'm hinting at, but it requires certain things from the hardware still07:36
Stskeepsyou need to check with mstar what windowing systems their opengl es support, for example07:36
sonachStskeeps: how to understand "but it requires certain things from the hardware still"?07:36
Stskeepssonach: for example, directfb support, or open gl es that supports directfb/multiple windows07:37
StskeepsSage_: it's a mistake mesa was intel specific in the first place in mer07:37
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Sage_Stskeeps: true, but we should still have it with a different name IMO as mesa name in general is related to generic mesa adaptation... but well your call I can live with it07:39
dm8tbrsorry for the bad availability of MerBot recently. my upstream, although generally excellent, seems to be experience some problems as of recent...07:39
Sage_just wondering if we will regret not renaming it after wards07:39
Stskeepsdm8tbr: it's ok07:39
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StskeepsSage_: i guess i'll send a test build through the system07:39
StskeepsSage_: urgh, now i recall the problem here.. CI has an issue where it takes the .spec name and we'll end up with two mesa implementations in one tree07:42
Stskeepsand i don't have any Prefer:'s in there07:43
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StskeepsSage_: okay, think i can do the change, but if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces08:05
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Sage_Stskeeps:  :P08:12
sonachStskeeps: maybe wayland is the final solution?08:13
Stskeepssonach: yes, but at the moment not very widespread08:15
Stskeepsespecially on ARM08:15
Stskeepsmaybe in half a year or one08:15
StskeepsSage_: i've sent the change for a manual DBC08:18
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Stskeepsmorn lbt08:51
Stskeepslbt: seems 'build' was just a fluke08:51
lbtI thought so08:51
Stskeepslbt: what do you mean by symlink qemu btw08:51
lbtI used martin's commit message - I think this is related08:52
Stskeepsokay, but for SB2 builds we don't use the host qemu, we use a dynamically linked one08:53
Stskeepsso be careful how you tread08:53
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Stskeepswe install the proper one in preinstall/setup though08:53
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StskeepsOK, 29gb worth of test images/videos backed up from testdata.meego.com08:54
lbtI can see #222 being a side effect of non sb2 build/osc08:54
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Stskeepsand for mer anyway we use project level qemus08:55
lbtWhat I didn't do was try a build without martin's commit08:55
slainemorning folks08:56
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* Sage_ is having problems with cloning mesa package from mer gitweb08:59
Sage_something broken or is it just me?09:00
Sage_Receiving objects:  30% (8/26)09:00
Sage_halts there09:00
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slainedisk problems where resolved right ?09:01
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StskeepsSage_: over ssh?09:02
* lbt tries a clone09:02
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Sage_yes over ssh09:02
Sage_git clone ssh://
lbtReiving objects:  88% (23/26), 8.75 MiB | 176 KiB/s09:03
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lbtall done09:03
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Sage_and no my disk isn't full09:04
slaineSage_: Is your disk full09:05
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slaineMy favorite one here for a while, have you tried --prefix=/usr09:05
lbtSage_:   for now :
lbtpushing at the moment#09:07
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lbtSage_: done now - try a clone from there09:12
lbtthen you should be able to remote add mer's repo and push OK09:12
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lbtStskeeps: so do libarchive & build look OK ?09:40
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Stskeepslbt: yes, think so09:41
lbtI'm a bit worried about the inability to redo a build09:41
Stskeepsyou mean no-clean?09:41
lbtnormally that works09:42
Stskeepsknown, you see that error: thing?09:42
lbtnot sure if this is an sb2 "known bug"09:42
Stskeepsit's known, fixed in later sb209:43
lbtthat's fine then09:43
Stskeepsit was shell quoting nightmare09:43
mdfe_good morning09:43
Stskeepsgood morning mdfe09:43
mdfe_lbt: awesome news :)09:43
lbtyes, I thought I knew that - but then saw your shell-quote commit - so wasn't sure if it should have fixed it09:44
lbthey mdfe_09:44
Stskeepslbt: it did, on obs side.. there was a problem in sb2 too09:44
Stskeepsmdfe_: we'll have to do another prerelease, so we are probably going to miss the 0.20120315 deadline by a day09:44
lbtmdfe_: so if you could try that and see if it fixes it for you09:44
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mdfe_Stskeeps: 0.20120315.0.1 ist the latest pre-release state?09:59
Stskeepsyes, except there's a high likelyhood you can't make images with that release :/09:59
Stskeepsworking to sort that out today09:59
mdfe_does it make sense to build a image from another pre-release?10:00
mdfe_right now10:01
Stskeepsnot right now, but i'd like you to do one when we've done 0.2 today10:01
mdfe_just drop me a line when it makes sense10:01
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jukkaeklundso, what logs should I get to
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Stskeepsjukkaeklund: as a start11:42
Stskeepswe should really make something so it's easy to add those settings..11:42
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Stskeepsonce you have a corefile in /tmp that's a good start11:44
jukkaeklundthanks, let's see..11:45
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Stskeeps'lo simon12:15
jukkaeklundstskeeps, so I got core for duicontrolpanel but not for connmand12:17
Stskeepsjukkaeklund: that works too ;)12:17
Stskeepsso we have two bugs12:17
jukkaeklundneed to write a new bug, but thats for nemo?12:18
Stskeepsinteresting connman doesn't core..12:19
Stskeepsconnman crashes, right12:19
Stskeepsbut doesn't dump core12:19
Stskeepsjukkaeklund: did you reboot after adding those things?12:21
jukkaeklundhmm.. not sure12:22
Stskeepsmight be needed to get connman to core12:22
jukkaeklundthink I did12:22
jukkaeklundok, got connmand core too12:31
Stskeepsnow zypper in connman-debuginfo glibc-debuginfo12:33
Stskeepswhat's the name of the connman core in /tmp ?12:35
jukkaeklundbefore or after?12:35
jukkaeklunddidnt zypper yet12:35
Stskeepszypper in connman-debuginfo glibc-debuginfo first12:36
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Stskeepsone of the QA tools is to be able to send core files to a central server for analysis12:40
Stskeepsok, now (after zypper is done), gdb connmand /tmp/core-connmand-11-895-133172774512:41
Stskeepsand use 'bt' command12:41
Stskeepsoh, errr12:43
* Stskeeps twitches12:43
jukkaeklundusb mass storage is broken..12:44
Stskeepswasn't about that.. i just realized you might have a version that erm, doesn't have gdb12:44
jukkaeklundlooks like that12:45
Stskeepsrpm -qa | grep connman12:48
Stskeeps(need the version)12:50
Stskeepsokay, any way you can scp / transfer out the core file?12:53
Stskeepsgzip it first for your own sanity's sake12:53
Stskeepsthis is much more difficult than it should be :)12:54
jukkaeklundok, attached12:59
Stskeepsattached to..?13:03
Stskeepsi'll take a peek13:04
jukkaeklundfyi, I got the harmattan source DVD13:04
Stskeepsyeah, i saw13:04
jukkaeklundnow waiting for somebody to tell where to upload stuff..13:05
Stskeepsjukkaeklund: n900 or n950 image?13:09
jukkaeklundall my N900s have been cold for some time..13:11
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Stskeepslbt: you'll be on tonight to conduct the prerelease?13:25
Stskeepslbt: i think we have to be reasonable and delay the final release to friday13:27
Stskeepswhich sucks but.. it was needed13:27
Stskeepsbetter than a huge amount of time like last13:27
lbtOK - are there any other issues - or tests needed13:27
Stskeepswe couldn't build image yesterday so "not good enough"13:27
lbtarcomivi: here is fine to discuss too13:32
lbtarcomivi: so you want to build Navit against Mer and MeeGo ?13:34
arcomivilbt: yes that is right and the repositories on and are not in sync.13:34
lbtso any of the dependencies will also need to be built against Mer anyway13:35
lbtwe don't particularly sync the c.obs with MeeGo anymore iirc13:35
lbtthere are copies of latest releases13:36
arcomivilbt: ok, that is good to know, the latest releases, I think that is fine.13:36
lbtyou can also copypac from one OBS to another13:36
arcomivilbt: yes that would be the last resorts solution if package building would not work fine. I will try with as-is state.13:37
mdfe_lbt: I closed #221 maybe it should be reopened till the update is release?13:38
lbtarcomivi: if you aim to build on Mer then I think you'lll need to copy over dependencies and build them against mer too13:38
lbtmdfe_: we'll pretend :)13:38
arcomivilbt: that is a way out too, and that leads me to generall question of placing packages. Since Navit is a package for general use in Mer, should we have a project for such, maybe ivi project. And for dependencies, where to put them?13:40
lbtarcomivi: initially the solution is to make a subproject in your home area and put all the dependencies in there13:40
arcomivilbt: a lot of questions, but i think it is needed :)13:40
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lbtnp at all13:40
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lbtonce we see the dependencies we can start to look at allocating them13:41
arcomivilbt: ok, will do, subproject for Navit and dependencies first and than we will see.13:41
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lbtI wonder if Mer should have a regular "what's happening nearby" meeting13:42
Stskeepsor just a culture of being verbose..13:42
arcomivilbt: you mean for this stuff?13:43
lbtwhere people can just say what cool stuff they're working on13:43
lbtStskeeps: yep - but it's nice to have a get-together ... we're here all the time so we see it all13:43
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lbtjust thinking out loud ... verbosely :)13:43
lbtarcomivi: yes - so someone else can say "oh, I needed gpsd but never got round to it - or even : I packaged that last week it's in ... "13:44
lbtok ... food ... bbiam13:45
arcomivilbt: yes this will obviously happen if not picked up early enough.13:46
arcomiviwe would have to channelize this somehow.13:46
Stskeepsjukkaeklund: ok, collected backtrace13:47
Stskeepsjukkaeklund: we so need a better way for this13:47
arcomivimaybe some kind of guide would help, at least for starting, i mean - if you want to create / import a new package such as gpsd, first look into project XYZ13:48
arcomiviok, just searched for gpsd, already in 7 projects ;S13:50
arcomivibut still, that would be a temporary solution.13:50
arcomiviI would call such a Project  devel:Mer13:52
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Stskeepsi'm not terribly against gpsd/geoclue/gypsy in mer, fwiw13:53
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arcomivinot terribly against, but?13:53
Stskeepscan navit use geoclue, out of curiousity?13:56
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arcomivinot that I know of. It is not a dependency at least.13:57
Stskeepsi'm really going to have to do those architectual diagrams at some point..13:58
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arcomiviwe will have time for documentation once the developed functionality is working ;)13:59
arcomiviok, but if not devel:Mer, maybe devel:<something else> if Mer is not the right place.14:01
arcomiviStskeeps: just think about this, we can talk later, I would not prepare the pacakges until this evening anyways.14:02
Stskeepsyeah, i'm thinking about it14:03
arcomiviI have to to my daily job as well ;)14:03
Stskeepsthe reason i'm a bit queasy is that the [gpsd, gypsy, etc] backend stuff is a bit unclear for app side14:03
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Stskeepsand it'd be better if people spoke QtLocation or geoclue14:03
Stskeepsi used to be assisting a phd in positioning technologies, so i have some professional reservations against some of those apis ;)14:04
arcomivino problem, so we do not use devel:Mer , but still new packages have to be put somewhere.14:05
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niqti want run nemo i586 on CLE266, thus i run  ccd2iso nemo-handset-i586-0.20120209.1.NEMO.2012-03-01.2.img nemo-handset-i586-0.20120209.1.NEMO.2012-03-01.2.iso14:53
niqtbuti have Unrecognized sector mode (c0) at sector 0!14:53
niqthave i build iso mer?14:54
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slainecan't you just dd the .img to a usb stick ?15:07
slaineboot from that ?15:07
niqtnow using mic-image-convertor15:10
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vgradetimoph, is there a SDK meeting this week, one of the plasma active guys was asking ?15:26
niqtfreeze on grub countdown :(15:26
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timophvgrade: yeah. friday 10utc (didn't hear complaints about the time :))15:31
* timoph sends email about it15:31
vgradetimoph, ok thanks can you copy in active@kde.org15:32
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timophvgrade: will do15:35
Stskeepslbt: for the reading pile,
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niqtslaine, i don't remember have you a cle266?15:50
Stskeepsniqt: are you using the i486 port?15:50
niqtno i58615:50
Stskeepsyou probably should use i48615:50
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slainei586 should be fine Stskeeps, they're valid 686 processors15:53
slaineniqt: I do, but I've not run mer on them15:54
Stskeepsslaine: i586 === atom15:54
slaineas in ssse3 ?15:54
Stskeepsand yes, i can understand how that's confusing..15:54
slaineAh ok15:54
slaineniqt: go with 48615:54
niqtok, but i don't found 486 link15:56
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sledgeshow weird Stskeeps, mer-core-armv7hl-connectivity-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks does not react to keyboard (but xorg accepts Ctrl+Alt+F2 and I can type in console) ...17:17
Stskeepssledges: xorg-x11-drv-evdev installed?17:17
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sledges(mouse works btw, so i assume yes?17:22
sledgeslet me check17:22
Stskeepscheck xorg.0.log17:23
sledgesStskeeps, it is not installed....17:24
Stskeepsok, hen install it17:24
sledgeswould have been good to come back to xorg-x11-drv-video/input/etc-<name> scheme, I just chucked all those drivers and left -imx only, thinking they're all videoz :))17:25
sledgeshmmm: mic: Error <creator>: Failed to find package 'xterm' : No package(s) available to install17:25
sledgesStskeeps, what terminal could I use in X ?17:30
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Stskeepshello pwet17:38
pwetmuh, hello \o17:39
Stskeepsso what brings you here to #Mer ?17:39
pweti'm finishing to look in mer website, but i'd like to adapt the usb-nfs-root doc from meego to mer17:40
Stskeepssounds like a good thing to do17:40
Stskeepsvery typical use case for developers17:41
Stskeepslet me know if you have any quetions :)17:41
Stskeepser, questions17:42
pwetdo you know by any chance if mer use/packaged busybox? i can't find it in the repo17:42
Stskeepswe have one in progress but it's meant as a coreutils/etc replacement inside the system17:42
Stskeepsnot as static17:42
pwetor if there's a mer way to recompile the kernel ? (that's what i'm trying to find actually on the website)17:42
Stskeepsmer doesn't, surprisngily, have a kernel17:42
Stskeepsit's part of hardware adaptations17:42
pweti'm confused, do you mean there's no kernel even in the mer images ?17:45
Stskeepsso, mer is a core -- you combine it with a hardware adaptation and it can boot to a command line, combine with a ui and it boots to ui17:45
Stskeepsin practice, most devices have widely different kernels17:45
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Stskeepsso, in images, there's a kernel usually, as those images are for certain hw17:46
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tommis Error: Please specify main repo name using --mainrepo option.17:51
tommishappened during image creation17:52
Stskeepstommis: get mer platform sdk17:52
tommisthere isn't apt repo?17:53
Stskeepsno, for reasons like your error here17:53
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pwetStskeeps:  is daily-image-builder used to build images for n950, n9 and i586 ? i've read the git tree (very) quickly, and i can find references only to n900. I'm trying to find how the kernel for n900 is built18:09
pwetin the images18:09
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lbtand for N900
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pwetlbt: thank you it seems to give me a good track for the next steps, and thank you Stskeeps18:27
tommisi can't curl the newest sdk18:27
tommiscurl -k -O<LATEST>18:27
lbtpwet: so what's your goal? just hacking on the N900 ?18:27
lbttommis: hmm let me look18:27
tommisbash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'18:28
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vgradedid the PATH on images change /sbin things not found?18:28
lbttommis: so did you literally use "<LATEST>" ?18:28
* lbt backs away slowly whilst trying not to make eye contact ....18:29
tommisi haven't curled things before18:29
lbtlook here
lbtcurl is like wget and just does a download of the file :)18:30
pwetlbt: for now, yes18:30
lbtpwet: OK, I just keep an eye open for people looking to use Mer in more commercial settings too18:31
lbtgiven that's our raison d'etre18:31
tommisso i should download all three files?18:31
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lbttommis: no, just the tarball18:32
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bigbluehatStskeeps: not Nyx, but maybe some useful bits:
bigbluehat (so you can start at the top ;) )18:32
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Stskeepsbigbluehat: hmmm..18:35
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bigbluehatStskeeps: might be nothing18:39
bigbluehatwho knows :)18:39
* bigbluehat still watching for Nyx for ya18:39
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Stskeeps" We will stick to our schedule of releasing our abstraction layer and components in the next few days in anticipation of the release of Linux 3.3." is interesting18:54
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harbaumvgrade: You also have a beaglebone? The list of devices you don't have is rather short, isn't it?19:12
vgradeharbaum, :)19:18
pwetStskeeps: is it planned to add a checksum file, signed or not, especially in the images directories, to check the downloads ?19:18
Stskeepspwet: are we speaking Nemo or at the moment?19:19
vgradeharbaum, still trying to get a transformer prime though. Love that tablet, notebook idea. And the Tegra 3 inside19:19
harbaumthe number of tablets one is able to use at once is pretty limited19:20
* _av500_ uses 3 around the house19:22
Stskeepsharbaum: you don't have desires to put a wall full of tablets? ;)19:22
harbaumi still couldn't convice myself to get one.19:22
harbaumActually i'd like to mount one in my living room to monitor the solar panels19:22
_av500_tablet discharged, solar power loss :)19:23
harbaumnah, i still have utility for backup19:23
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pwetStskeeps: mer project i believe, i'm sorry, it's still a bit confusing to me, there for example
Stskeepsokay, so, Nemo is a project that builds on top of Mer19:41
Stskeepsthat doesn't current sign images19:42
StskeepsMer itself, has RPM repositories we're going to sign in the future when we have a proper secure storage of signing keys19:42
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pweti'm not going to be pushy or anything, but i would take even a not signed checksums for the nemo images, they are quite big downloads19:47
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Stskeepsagreed, you could also build the images yourself with mer platform sdk19:48
pdanekis there some cooperation between Mer and Tizen already?19:49
Stskeepspdanek: Tizen doesn't currently operate in the open and only dumps code19:50
pdanekah right19:50
Stskeepsso, i'd rate it a 'not that terribly much'19:50
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_av500_Stskeeps: submit a paper about that :)19:50
pwetStskeeps: i'll probably check that, i think i'll be fine with the prebuilt ones for now, and thanks again19:50
pdanekso basically only truly open developed systems now, seem to be Mer and Boot to Gecko19:50
_av500_and openmoko19:51
pdanekwell, I mean projects related to it19:51
pdanekopenmoko itself not anymore19:51
_av500_pdanek: b2g sits on top of android, no?19:51
pdanek_av500: no, where you heard that?19:51
Stskeeps_av500_: i decided it was better to try and change the world instead of fighting things i can't change anyway19:51
pdanek_av500: I don't know where these scams come from19:52
_av500_maybe i misread19:52
Stskeepspdanek: b2g sits on top of gonk which is android-derived19:52
Stskeepsit can sit on top of others19:52
pdanekyea, it uses some low level stuff from it, libs maybe, debugger19:53
Stskeepspdanek: bionic as a start, RIL..19:53
pdanekto have better portability also to already existing Android devices19:53
pdanekbut if there is anything propietary19:54
pdanekthey remove it, and write open-source derivate19:54
pdanekDalvik removed19:54
Stskeepseither way, not criticising B2G19:54
Stskeepsit's a different approach but for all intents and purposes, it's android-derived19:54
pdanekand the development, is completely open, current source code available all the time19:54
Stskeepsas it relies on components that are developed in closed mode and will have to catch up with them19:55
pdaneknot far far far away from regular Android ROM like Cyanogen19:55
pdanekyea but Mozilla does not use any closed components19:55
pdanekthey remove everything what is close19:55
pdanekas far I know19:55
Stskeepswhen i say closed mode, i mean the open components that are only code dumped in AOSP19:56
pdanekbut I think it's nice approach for web in general19:56
Stskeepsit has it's place19:57
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Stskeepslbt: still around?20:49
pdaneklbt: you get my mail?20:49
lbtpdanek: I did thanks20:50
lbtnot sure when I'll action it though20:50
lbtI meant to ask if there's any time pressure on your side?20:50
Stskeepslbt: i'm fighting a bit to get repos in shape for prerelease, so wondering how long time you're around tonight20:51
lbt3hrs probably20:52
Stskeepshopefully i'm done in 120:52
lbtcan be longer if we need20:52
pdanekwell, I would like to throw this registrar accont away soon20:54
pdanekup to 1 week20:54
pdanekwhen I finish transfer of my domains20:54
pdanekif you got few spare bucks, it's few minutes to initiate the transfer20:55
pdaneksince you have the auth. code now20:56
lbtah, OK20:56
lbtI won't pay even $5 to 1&120:56
lbtnever again20:56
Stskeepsi can take it if you want..20:57
lbtI'll fwd20:58
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Stskeepspdanek: i'll sort it out tomorrow21:09
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Stskeepslbt: please go ahead with 0.221:25
lbtwill do21:26
Stskeepsi had to ignore dontuse/ for various reasons or i would have to rebuild a large bunch of stuff21:27
Stskeepspublishfilter == evil21:27
lbtdid 'build' cause a huge rebuild in the end?21:28
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lbtOK - I take it OBS is idle21:30
lbtyou've tagged?21:30
* lbt hears the keys tapping21:31
Stskeepsis now21:31
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lbtone thing I don't have is release note generation21:34
Stskeepsyes, i know21:34
lbtpastebin is fine until MDS221:34
Stskeepsremember, 0.2, not .121:35
Stskeepsthat's 0.1 -> 0.221:35
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Stskeepslbt: sanity check when rsynced.. make sure sb2-tools-*-inject rpms are not there, or *dontuse*21:44
Stskeepsyeah.. that one shouldn't be thre21:46
Stskeepsit's OK in OBS repo but not in release reo21:47
lbtOK, so if they're present then don't do a -next run on c.obs21:47
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lbthave you hacked the script?21:47
Stskeepsi modified publishfilter but i would have to retrigger glibc-arm and such too21:48
Stskeepsand i don't want to do that21:48
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Stskeepsso i hacked the script to ignore dontuse/21:50
Stskeepsas a temporary measure21:50
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lbtmutter ... out of disk22:36
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lbtStskeeps: I'm going to move /home/imbackup to phost222:42
Stskeepsand extend merreleases?22:59
lbtlimited choices right now :)22:59
Stskeepsor you could just mv old releases to imbackup, but i like your direction..23:00
lbt*nod* - I wasn't sure how you had been doing that23:01
lbtit may take a while...23:01
Stskeepsjust take some old releases and put them on imbackup, get release out23:02
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Stskeepsthen we can extend later23:02
Stskeepsbbl sleep23:03
lbtmonster:/home/merreleases/public_html # mv obs-repos/Core\:*0.2011* /home/imbackup/23:04
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lbtthey'll sit alongside the others then23:04
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