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| floogle | Hello! Is there currently any way to install Mer on the Zenithink C71 before the Spark debuts? I would like to know. | 01:20 |
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| beford | I suppose vgrade knows but he is probably afk | 01:21 |
| floogle | ok thanks | 01:22 |
| beford | http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/28975-spark-tablet/ | 01:23 |
| beford | found that | 01:23 |
| beford | vgrade explains a bit | 01:23 |
| floogle | ok i know how to flash stuff but is there currently an image for mer? | 01:26 |
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| floogle | ok thanks anyway guys | 01:35 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | sonach, did you watch the video of Bernard Rosenkrantz's talk last month at Embedded Linux Conference? It's very good. | 05:11 |
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| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: not yet, what is the link? | 05:15 |
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| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: what is the title of the video? Now I enter the video list:) | 05:18 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | sonach, http://video.linux.com/videos/what-android-and-embedded-linux-can-learn-from-each-other | 05:24 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: comepiled gst-plugins-good successfully. PyXML is just for gtk-doc build, and gdk-pixbuf-2.0 to enable gdkpixbuf plugin, so it's Ok to remove them. | 05:26 |
| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: thank you! | 05:29 |
| Sage_ | ZiQiangHuan: we have gst-plugins-good in CE:MW:Shared in cobs with those removed :) | 06:05 |
| Sage_ | nos sure what are you talking about but just FYI :) | 06:06 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Sage_: but the gst-plugins-good in CE:MW:Shared verison is old ,it's 0.10.27 | 06:08 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Sage_: I compile the verison gst-plugins-good 0.10.30 | 06:09 |
| Sage_ | ah, ok | 06:10 |
| Sage_ | ZiQiangHuan: would be nice if you could submit to that project as well :) | 06:11 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Sage: you mean submit it to CE:MW:Shared ? Maybe you can tell me how to submit it | 06:13 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 06:14 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: mor | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: regarding gst-plugins-good, cool :) | 06:17 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: would you have time to do a -next image today? | 06:22 |
| Stskeeps | at least for n900/n950 | 06:22 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I might have at some point | 06:23 |
| Sage_ | when getting to better conn perhaps :D | 06:23 |
| * Sage_ checked some package versions and has now 18 packages updates in queue | 06:24 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: we should also look at mesa-intel | 06:25 |
| Sage_ | scons, shadow-utils, openconnect, readline, mpc, module-init-tools, m2crypto, make, lua, libxcb, libtiff, libtasn1, libnl, libpciaccess, libsndfile, libfontenc, libexif, libedit | 06:25 |
| Stskeeps | my first priority after release is merging eglibc first | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | then python | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | then we can add updates | 06:26 |
| Sage_ | sure :) | 06:26 |
| * Stskeeps is still waking up | 06:27 | |
| * Sage_ had some time with poor network connection :) | 06:28 | |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: no package sohould depends on mesa only for the libs that are provided with other implementations as well right? | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: if they directly dep on mesa they're doing it wrong, correct | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | ie, after a build they should just link to libEGL.so.1 and libGLESv2.so.2 and that's it | 06:32 |
| Sage_ | yes | 06:33 |
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| Sage_ | so maybe "copypac" mesa to x86-generic and just anme it meas-x86-generic and ? | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | that's a start yeah | 06:35 |
| Sage_ | then in x86 image should depend on that and everythin be well :) | 06:35 |
| Stskeeps | if i were you i would look into upgrading to mesa 8.0.1 too though | 06:35 |
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| Stskeeps | it was slightly worrying i actually crashed my exopc with opengl tests :) | 06:35 |
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| Sage_ | hmmp | 06:46 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: we might have problem with mesa packaging. Does any of the mesa libs require other mesa libs? If so should those explicitly depend on mesa-lib* ? | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | mesa in core or mesa in hw adaptation | 06:48 |
| Sage_ | does it matter? | 06:49 |
| * Stskeeps goes take a look | 06:49 | |
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| Sage_ | I'm just wondering if lib dependency can actually mix two mesa packagings | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: in my packaging i see a requires mesa = exactversion | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | which it should be | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | they're pretty dependent on eachother so | 06:52 |
| Sage_ | ah, my bad :) | 06:54 |
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| Sage_ | I think I'm going blind | 06:55 |
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| Stskeeps | i didn't remember either, had to go manually check | 06:55 |
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| vgrade | morning | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | morn vgrade | 07:04 |
| * Stskeeps doesn't like the mornings where he's a little unsure if he's awake or not, and it's not helping when the dream's internet connection has really bad latency | 07:05 | |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: clearly you need FTTD installed | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | FTTD? | 07:34 |
| dm8tbr | FiberToTheDreams | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 07:36 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: morning | 07:58 |
| slaine | I see the cleaner woke up my puter | 07:58 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: i just assume you came in for a late night chat :) | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | +d | 08:00 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: re the lowest spec x86 hw we have | 08:03 |
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| slaine | It's all 686, but the VIA Nehemiah 1Ghz would be the lowest spec devices out there | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | let me see how low that is | 08:03 |
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| slaine | While the VIA Nehemiah is a 686, it doesn't have all 686 instructions as the spec detailed some of them as optional | 08:04 |
| slaine | such as cmov and noop | 08:04 |
| slaine | The VIA Nehemiah does have cmov, but it doesn't have noop | 08:04 |
| dm8tbr | noop is optional? :D | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i recall the via processors | 08:04 |
| slaine | Fedora still support them as all the olpc 1 and 1.5 processors are based on the Via instructions implementation | 08:05 |
| slaine | Next up the list would be a 600Mhz Celeron-M with an Intel 855GM graphics chip, there's also a 1GHz version of that | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | would you probably do custom core builds for those anyway? | 08:09 |
| slaine | The Celeron-M is more powerful than the VIA Nehemiah, even at 600Mhz | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | ie, optimize per device | 08:09 |
| slaine | Depends on what x86 build options are enabled | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | right now it's very 'i486' | 08:10 |
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| slaine | iirc, I was going to do a 686 w/sse2 optimized build once I got everything up and running with internal OBS | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:11 |
| slaine | And then for ARM, we've not decided a route yet | 08:12 |
| slaine | I've a Trimslice here to experiment on, I may get a 7" tablet of some description for likewise | 08:12 |
| slaine | I've seen mention of units based on iMX53 boards/Samsung boards and TI PandaBoards, so, it's clearly still anything goes at that point | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we should cover any armv7-a really | 08:13 |
| slaine | yup | 08:13 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: If I want to use my videosink in qtmediahub, how much work I need to do? | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: i've been running some tests and i think there might be a videosink problem | 08:18 |
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| Stskeeps | (ran qtmediahub on my own pc too) | 08:18 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: videosink problem ? | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yeah, something's a bit weird | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: i couldn't get my qtmediahub to play videos either | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | just audio | 08:19 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: hmm, that seems qt-mobility use a custom videosink | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | did your 'player' example work fine? | 08:24 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: only play audio, not video | 08:24 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 08:25 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: when use player to play video, got " stream stopped, reason not-negotiated" | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | can you see if you can get any GST debugging info out of it? | 08:26 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: you mean the logs when use player to play ogv? | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:27 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: some of the logs http://pastie.org/3539338 | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: and playbin works in gst-launch ? | 08:31 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: playbin or playbin2 ? | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | playbin2 i guess | 08:31 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes, I can ues playbin2 to play ogv | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: ping | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: let me just test some things on my exop | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | c | 08:34 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | i'll test player example on there | 08:36 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, hi | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: did you ever have qtmediahub playing videos? | 08:39 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, no. | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:41 |
| * Stskeeps thinks our qt-mobility is broken and is trying to collect proof.. | 08:41 | |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: proof enough that it was dropped as a separate subsystem and merged in pieces to core qt5? :) | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: yes, but video out to work ;) | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | ought | 08:42 |
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| Stskeeps | this is why we need test cases.. | 08:43 |
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| Stskeeps | moin mdfe_ | 08:46 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: in ModemManager, change libgudev-devel dependency to libgudev1-devel, the libgudev name is obsolete long ago | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | (noticed that regression) | 08:50 |
| mdfe_ | great thanks | 08:50 |
| mdfe_ | by the way im checking the pulseaudio patches if they are included in the update | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | i highly doubt it :) | 08:51 |
| mdfe_ | no | 08:51 |
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| mdfe_ | I'm just at the beginning | 08:53 |
| mdfe_ | but https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=README-patches&package=pulseaudio&project=home%3Amdfe%3Apulseaudio&rev=a9d587cb69f1f64144cbfcfd0420221b | 08:53 |
| mdfe_ | till now all patches are included | 08:53 |
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| Stskeeps | interesting | 08:53 |
| mdfe_ | and the bigest patchset was generated from this repository | 08:54 |
| mdfe_ | my work-flow is, check if the patch is included; add a new line to the README, delete the patch from the package | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | o | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | k | 08:55 |
| mdfe_ | could you repoduce the issue with broken local osc build on arm? | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | lbt was on that | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ok, at least on exopc 'player' works | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | with ogv | 08:57 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: then it seems something is wrong with my qt-mobility ? | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: i'm not confident about that yet | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | i need to run more tests | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | did you install gst-plugins-good ? | 09:00 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes | 09:00 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: which sink your player use to play ogv | 09:01 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: xvimagesink or ximagesink, it seems something wrong with my xvimagesink | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: how do you check? | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yeah, i would be surprised if your xvimagesink works | 09:02 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: my xvimagesink not work | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | your X driver doesn't support xv, so | 09:03 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: gst-launch-0.10 videotestsrc ! xvimagesink, I got http://pastie.org/3584029 | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | your x driver doesn't support Xvideo | 09:05 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes | 09:05 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: another question, because Hisiv's SDK not offer interface for me to write a single decode element, I have to make a sink plugin which contains decode and sink function. Then I have to change the qt-mobility's source code to make it use my own sink. | 09:12 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: do you think how much work I have to do | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: i don't think terribly much, but i must admit i'm not deep into qt mobility | 09:14 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: For a test, I just change "ximagesink" to my own sink, but it seems not work | 09:15 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: i think we should try to first to get ximagesink to work | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | to see the pipelink works | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | pipeline | 09:17 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: maybe you are right | 09:18 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: i'll test out ximagesink myself later | 09:19 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: thanks for that. now I try to view the qt-mobility's source code | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: i have a i486 media centre pc i want to run qtmediahub too so :) | 09:20 |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 09:26 |
| lbt | looking at the osc/build issues this am | 09:26 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: any good idea where we can stuff http://testdata.meego.com/ ? | 09:29 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, each of those are 650mb.. | 09:29 |
| lbt | piratebay? | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | somewhere that won't freak out vendors | 09:30 |
| lbt | we have plenty of space to copy them | 09:31 |
| lbt | IT task bug? | 09:32 |
| Macer | lol | 09:32 |
| Macer | putting it on piratebay would be awesome | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah.. it's a very valuable test set | 09:33 |
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| Macer | i wonder how long nokia will serve the maemo stuff | 09:34 |
| lbt | X-Fade knows | 09:34 |
| Macer | im surprised they still do tbh | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | i suspect they're starting to wind down by now | 09:34 |
| Macer | i would be surprised if nokia can actually afford it anymore | 09:35 |
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| Macer | john carter cost $250M? wow | 09:42 |
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| Kaadlajk | I read that maemo.gitorious.org is the first to go but that was just a rumour | 09:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Kaadlajk: yeah.. i wouldn't be surprised if that one goes | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | uh.. | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: phost4, dmesg | 09:47 |
| lbt | .. | 09:47 |
| lbt | ouch | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | good thing it's just a worker, but hm | 09:48 |
| lbt | *sigh* .... IT monitoring is a pita | 09:48 |
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| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3584226 | 09:49 |
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| lbt | cat /proc/mdstat | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3584231 | 09:50 |
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| lbt | yeah, I did | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | looks like a missing device | 09:51 |
| lbt | it does | 09:51 |
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| Stskeeps | contact hetzner, or do a reboot to see if it comes back online? | 09:51 |
| lbt | contact them I think | 09:51 |
| lbt | if they say reboot that's OK - but they should know about it | 09:52 |
| lbt | just lookgin tin logs | 09:52 |
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| lbt | ouch ... Jan 19 | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | do we authorize them to replace it with a clean hd? | 09:55 |
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| lbt | yes | 09:55 |
| lbt | are you doing it? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i'm sending the request through robot | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | and collecting logs | 09:55 |
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| lbt | /var/log/messages-20120122.bz2 | 09:56 |
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| lbt | just need to make sure they swap the right one - obviously | 09:58 |
| lbt | PITA that smartctl shows no serial# | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | they have a setting for "intact hd" | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | so i can write the intact one | 09:59 |
| lbt | good | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if they're hotswap servers | 10:00 |
| lbt | I hope so :) | 10:00 |
| * Stskeeps sends request | 10:01 | |
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| Stskeeps | collected smartctl, dmesg, jan 19 log, etc | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: going to turn off phost4 worker | 10:08 |
| lbt | OK - is that what they say? | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | no | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | just for good measure | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | but then again | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's a nice test to see if we can survive a hd replacement :) | 10:08 |
| lbt | I'd let them guide us | 10:08 |
| lbt | yes | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:09 |
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| lbt | any way to cc me on the ticket? | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | sadly no, but i'll keep you in the lop | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | loop | 10:09 |
| lbt | yup | 10:09 |
| lbt | good catch - & you've seen the mdadm bug I take it | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | ye | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | s | 10:10 |
| lbt | RAID is also cool | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | i was doing a 'vgdisplay' on phost4 to see if i could add a lv for the testdata stuff and it reported I/O errors | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | so i got a bit suspicious | 10:11 |
| lbt | yeah - testdata isn't urgent though - I wanted to look at where our data was currently spread out too | 10:11 |
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| lbt | s/where/how/ | 10:12 |
| lbt | bear in mind we'll want to serve it and phost4 has no VMs | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:13 |
| lbt | also phost1 has 3Tb of space | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not saying serve at the moment | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | just keep a copy | 10:13 |
| lbt | yep | 10:13 |
| * Stskeeps likes the word "festplatte" | 10:14 | |
| lbt | broken disk ? | 10:14 |
| lbt | festering platter :) | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | no, hd | 10:14 |
| lbt | I prefer my interpretation :) | 10:14 |
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| Stskeeps | Kaadlajk: were you by chance involved with mcts-qtmultimedia ? | 10:21 |
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| Stskeeps | or mwts, i forgot what category it was in :) | 10:21 |
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| virtuald | party plate | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron, lbt: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/hostbased.png | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | over ssh | 10:41 |
| lbt | I saw that - looked interesting | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | this is a new one, actually | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | old one i had just loaded the test definition | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | this time around i run it from my sdk to device | 10:43 |
| lbt | sounds like another functional install set for the SDK then :) | 10:44 |
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| * lbt pings alterego .... wiki move .... :) | 11:06 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: mail | 11:12 |
| Kaadlajk | Stskeeps: it is mwts | 11:12 |
| Kaadlajk | Stskeeps: also I was not involved in asset development | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:12 |
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| Kaadlajk | I know how to run mwts stuff (where logs, results etc are) and i know the QA-tools | 11:13 |
| lbt | quick | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah, but they rebooted it :/ | 11:13 |
| lbt | I wonder how | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | <take out hd> "hmm, this shut down the machine.." ? | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so, reboot test: openvpn doesn't come up | 11:15 |
| lbt | yep | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | you'll peek at it | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 11:15 |
| lbt | in already | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:15 |
| lbt | nb ... http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-it/2012-March/000109.html | 11:15 |
| lbt | replying | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | oh that's good to know | 11:16 |
| lbt | off-list about mer | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | we don't actually have mirrorbrain though | 11:16 |
| lbt | yet... | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: is mirrors.ustc.edu.cn a good place to have mer mirror on you think? | 11:17 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes, a mirror in China can improve our access. | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | let's see if we can get them to mirror mer | 11:19 |
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| lbt | is mer-general an open list? | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | i think you need sub-to-send | 11:22 |
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| lbt | updated wiki | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | Kaadlajk: is there anything like offline qa reports? ie, pdf format or something | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | to push testrunner results.xml into | 11:26 |
| Kaadlajk | Stskeeps: none that I know of | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:30 |
| Kaadlajk | I was just thinking that in this scope it would be useful | 11:30 |
| Kaadlajk | we always had some webservice | 11:30 |
| sledges | hello | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | lo sledges | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | sledges: can't recall, did i show you our test stuff under development/integration? | 11:40 |
| sledges | the .png? yes :) | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:41 |
| sledges | cheers for thinking! | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/testtrunner-manual.png too | 11:41 |
| sledges | this no :) | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.3/Handset/Acceptance/N900CE is also a open source website | 11:42 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: RM in 10 minutes? | 11:50 |
| slaine | UseSIGO = "false" in an xorg.conf, causes Via openchrome driver to segfault, just FYI | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: fun | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | er, slaine | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: what kind of QA tools do you guys use, out of curiousity? (if you can tell) | 11:58 |
| lbt | yes | 11:58 |
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| jukkaeklund | vgrade, just fyi I failed on creating the PA image for N950.. | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | which errors? | 12:23 |
| jukkaeklund | Info: Retrieving zypper-1.6.15-1.6.armv7hl.rpm [541/542] ...error: not an rpm package | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | uhh.. | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like you need to clean your cache possibly | 12:25 |
| jukkaeklund | which cache? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | the mic cache, i don't recall offhand where it is in sdk | 12:26 |
| lbt | in /var/tmp/mic/cache | 12:26 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Sharing_mic_and_osc_caches is useful | 12:27 |
| jukkaeklund | thank you sirs | 12:28 |
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| jeremiah | Where is the canonical resource for OSC? | 13:02 |
| jeremiah | I have a feeling I have an old git repo | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | resource.. as in upstream? | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/openSUSE/osc | 13:03 |
| jeremiah | I was also looking for bugtracker | 13:03 |
| jeremiah | Since I get pointed to Novell and I think that is, umm, deprecated. | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | i (sadly) don't think it's deprecated | 13:03 |
| jeremiah | Ah, okay. | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | opensuse OBS uses novell accounts too from what i can recall | 13:04 |
| jeremiah | So I have to go and get a Novell login. :/ | 13:04 |
| lbt | hey jeremiah | 13:04 |
| jeremiah | lbt: Hey! | 13:04 |
| lbt | yes, you need a novell login | 13:04 |
| jeremiah | ugh. | 13:04 |
| jeremiah | Oh well, one less bug report for them. :) | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity, what bug did you run into? | 13:05 |
| jeremiah | I just wanted to change some minor documentation - no biggie. | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | probably easier with a git pull request then | 13:05 |
| jeremiah | yeah | 13:08 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl, upgrading wifi to openwrt | 13:18 |
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| Wnt | I don't know if it signing this kind of petitions makes any difference, but it might interest some of you: https://www.change.org/petitions/nokia-users-stop-microsoft-ization-of-the-nokia | 13:46 |
| jeremiah | The marketplace is the only thing that can stop that. | 13:51 |
| jeremiah | BTW, why is Mer not on distrowatch: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mer | 13:52 |
| jeremiah | ? | 13:52 |
| w00t | ?3 | 13:52 |
| w00t | meh | 13:52 |
| lbt | jeremiah: you may be amused by a name that's still on the waiting list... http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=submit | 13:55 |
| jeremiah | Okay, boo to Distrowatch. | 13:56 |
| lbt | I rather like the fact that Tizen hasn't been accepted :) | 13:57 |
| jeremiah | heh | 13:58 |
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| Stskeeps | openwrt upgrade [x] | 14:02 |
| jukkaeklund | vgrade, update: has an image but nothing comes up on screen | 14:05 |
| * timoph is tired | 14:05 | |
| timoph | got civilization V yesterday and decided to give it quick spin.. | 14:06 |
| timoph | suddenly noticed it was 1.30am.. | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: :> | 14:07 |
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| Paimen | Stskeeps: btw what kind of results you get from thse OpenGL benchmark-tests with testrunner? | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | Paimen: just turned off the device.. let me just se | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | e | 14:09 |
| * jukkaeklund will someday produce a working image, but not today | 14:09 | |
| vgrade | jukkaeklund, not even the splash screen? | 14:10 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: just wondering if benchmark is deemed to be passed, what is passeing criteria also dou you get some kind of measurement data also? | 14:10 |
| jukkaeklund | vgrade nemo splash comes and then all black | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | Paimen: yes i do | 14:11 |
| jukkaeklund | looks like usb is not up, can't ssh | 14:11 |
| Kaadlajk | Paimen: measurement results should be on the result XML | 14:12 |
| Kaadlajk | also /var/log/tests folder on the device | 14:12 |
| Paimen | Kaadlajk: I do not have device to run tests, just curious what kind of data you get out with test runner | 14:14 |
| * Stskeeps re-runs tests | 14:15 | |
| timoph | might make sense to setup a qa-reports instance to get prettier results if the plan is to use tr-lite for most of the tests | 14:16 |
| Kaadlajk | depends what the test produces, testrunner-lite accepts measurement data in csv format | 14:16 |
| Kaadlajk | i guess most of the blts opengl tests report framerate and cpu usage | 14:16 |
| Paimen | Kaadlajk: any information how framerate is measured? | 14:16 |
| * timoph is again having meego-qa-tools fashbacks | 14:17 | |
| Stskeeps | timoph: we're not paying for another round of therapy.. | 14:17 |
| timoph | :D | 14:17 |
| Kaadlajk | nah QA-tools wasnt that bad :-) | 14:17 |
| Kaadlajk | Paimen: i dont know | 14:17 |
| Paimen | I have found meego-qa-tools to be kind of nice set of things, just not time to sink into it | 14:18 |
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| Paimen | TDriver is only one I have some knowledge how to use | 14:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Paimen: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/tests_result.xml | 14:18 |
| timoph | Kaadlajk: no. it just didn't have a happy ending (pun intended) | 14:18 |
| Kaadlajk | Paimen: look for measurement elements for measurement results | 14:19 |
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| Kaadlajk | from that xml | 14:19 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: great, thank you | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | Paimen: search for 'measurement' | 14:19 |
| Kaadlajk | timoph: 2,5 weeks left still for me :P | 14:19 |
| timoph | Kaadlajk: a new job already secured? | 14:20 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: looks lot of what we are measuring with tdriver and qtquick 2.0 apps | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | Paimen: this is fwiw run from my mer platform sdk over ssh to the device | 14:21 |
| Kaadlajk | timoph: process ongoing | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | so quite nice way of doing it | 14:21 |
| timoph | looks like the tests are missing configuration | 14:21 |
| timoph | might have an impact on the results. dunno | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: that, and some errors in the mesa output i think | 14:22 |
| timoph | the test configurations were something that never really materialized to the public things | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: i was glancing at testdata.meego.com earlier | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | that's a goldmine | 14:23 |
| timoph | yeah | 14:23 |
| Kaadlajk | testdata.meego.com seems to have the same stuff we use internally | 14:24 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: yup seems to be good approach | 14:24 |
| Kaadlajk | ~32GB stuff | 14:24 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: those should be all freely distributable | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: and several copies of big buck bunny ;) | 14:24 |
| timoph | so a backup of them might be something to do | 14:24 |
| Kaadlajk | I once did svn co of that repo with testdata :P | 14:25 |
| timoph | before they're gone | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | i was going to do that, but then i noticed a broken RAID on the machine i was going to store it at.. | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:25 |
| timoph | Kaadlajk: yeah. been there with a earlier closed tools thing :) | 14:25 |
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| Stskeeps | Paimen: from next release on we're going to place a strong emphasis on testing, so anything that isn't secret and useful test/benchmark work is more than welcome to be contributed | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | it makes for much better advertisement when we can show a large amount of passing testcases | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:26 |
| timoph | yeah | 14:26 |
| Paimen | well,our thing is not secret, just need to think how usable is it and what kind of licensing we use with our apps | 14:27 |
| timoph | that makes having an qt-reports instance even more useful | 14:27 |
| Paimen | Stskeeps: expopc is wetab right? | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | Paimen: yeah | 14:27 |
| Paimen | I happen to have one on desk right now :) | 14:28 |
| timoph | I think the only diff is that exo has more memory in it | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | good thing that intel borrowed them out before meego died :cough: | 14:28 |
| timoph | :) | 14:28 |
| Paimen | :) | 14:28 |
| Paimen | and we can get some gpu-utilisation data also | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:29 |
| timoph | but yeah. all the test tools, etc. were starting to be in a good shape when the plug was pulled so there's a lot stuff to utilize | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | going to be really difficult to run up QA bandwidth though | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | so let's see how much can be automated | 14:30 |
| timoph | yep. I'd also try to use as much automation as possible | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | also the fact it's surprisingily harder to test a core than you'd think.. | 14:33 |
| Paimen | damn wife is home, so need to go run errands, but well I like to see testing things going on with mer | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | see you | 14:33 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning Alison_Chaiken | 14:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Huomenta Stskeeps. | 14:34 |
| Wnt | Does Stskeeps know finnish? | 14:35 |
| pirut | whois Wnt | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | Wnt: i hardly know the language of the country i live in :) | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | (no, i don't know finnish) | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | but when you've worked remotely with finns for a while, you pick up some things | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: how's the G9 work coming along? | 14:37 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, worked on another project instead, as dm8tbr and _av500_ said official bootloader unlock tool was about to drop. | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 14:39 |
| Alison_Chaiken | While I'll use XDA method if that's what's available, official one is better! | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, makes for better reproducability | 14:40 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Unit has a HDD (so I can do native builds), so presumably a poorly executed unlock is recoverable anyway: at very very worst, replace HDD. | 14:40 |
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| sledges | what is Mer's API for power management, and other possible peripherals? | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | we usually say that's over in ux and hardware adaptation - maybe it's better to say what exactly you're thinking of? | 15:05 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: seen alterego recently? I want to set a time to move the wiki | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yesterday quickly | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: sometimes it's easier to catch him in /msg | 15:16 |
| lbt | OK | 15:17 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps, a device with LCD screen running Mer+imaginary UX on top. It has WLAN, GPS and 3G. How can user space apps benefit from Mer, or daemons would then have to be implemented for every UX vendor effort even against standardised /dev/* (Mer is not responsible for APIsing daemons? or is it something I do not know yet (e.g. that systemd might do some stuff)) e.g. with /dev/ world there can't be two apps reading /dev/gps at the same time, and so on | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: ah, good one | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: one of the things we learnt with old Mer was that actually doing a generic behaviour framework, even for blanking screens or what to do when pressing a button is actually damn hard | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | because every device is different | 15:29 |
| sledges | but Android PDK seems to have done that.. | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | we have a few things, sensor framework for instance | 15:30 |
| sledges | and then you just need to tie loose ends to /dev/ nodes (not that that is easy, but the framework is there) | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | connman for connectivity | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | ofono for telephony and modem | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: in terms of resource control, in Nemo we have something called resource policy framework which helps control audio behaviour and for instance don't have two apps use Xvideo at same time | 15:31 |
| sledges | gpsd can be as well ported | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | yes, gpsd would work fine probably | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | the thing is that there's sometimes a bit of disagreement on how to do things at times | 15:32 |
| sledges | (from the top level I reckon) | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | because a STB doesn't have the same needs as a full handset | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | from Qt side there's qt mobility | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | but this is again with the fascist control need.. | 15:34 |
| sledges | Qt's free again (http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/10/21/the-qt-project-is-live/) | 15:34 |
| sledges | ( ;) @ lbt ) | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, qt-project is working surprisingily well | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: so in the end it really comes down to what people need and what people can agree on as solution | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | or what seems the best architectually | 15:35 |
| sledges | simply more pieces of puzzle to piece together | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | in practice, i try to see from Qt APIs and down in what i need to support in mer | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | and there's still gaps for location and PIM | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | PIM is even moving more towards JSON databases | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: so what specifically do you know from android PDK that they use as HAL? | 15:39 |
| sledges | it is all in-betweened as middle layer: /dev/node - daemon - .cpp JNI part - .java VM part - user space (LCD) | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:40 |
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| sledges | GPS+GPRS goes via ril | 15:41 |
| sledges | WLAN: wpa_supplicant | 15:41 |
| sledges | *GSM | 15:41 |
| sledges | not GPS | 15:41 |
| sledges | GPS goes via gpsd and gps.h, then onto LocationProvider java | 15:41 |
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| Stskeeps | right, in mer that's qtlocation -> geoclue/gypsy/gpsd, wlan: qt bearer management or connman dbus api -> wlan ioctls, or wpa_supplicant, gprs+gsm through ofono apis | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | display really varies on what you want to do, but glesv2/egl, framebuffer, x11, etc.. | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | qtlocation -or- html5 location api | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | either way, i'm going for dinner now -- just for good measure, mer doesn't necessarily give a standard app story | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | we give the tools to make one though | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:47 |
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| nsuffys | Hi :) | 15:49 |
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| sledges | no connmann integration in qt? Stskeeps, I reckon you mentioned connmann not in Qt context then | 16:00 |
| sledges | oh right, connman is dbus | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | there is a qt api for it too but generally apps want bearer management not full wifi control | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | that's usually reserved for control panels and ux | 16:02 |
| sledges | ok ta Stskeeps , have a nice dinner! | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | waiting for a good steak atm.. it's always a bit awkward eating alone but after several days of coding and pizza i need a proper meal ;) | 16:04 |
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| sledges | why eat alone, are you somewhere in a garage? :) (that's where biggest start-ups started) | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | wife away for three weeks, so alone home a bit | 16:16 |
| sledges | ah, in my case those would be the most productive ones :DD | 16:22 |
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| Stskeeps | n | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | , | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | , | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | , | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | , | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | ,, | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | , | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | x | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | , | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | , | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | ,,,, | 16:30 |
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| * w00t tranquilises Stskeeps' cat | 16:31 | |
| Stskeeps | oh feck | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | pocket irc | 16:33 |
| sledges | lol | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: yeah.. productive for me too but you start to realize how much of your daily energy comes from proper nutrition ;) | 16:34 |
| * sledges so true! | 16:35 | |
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| * sledges tried to survive on reduced ready-made meals and tried to prove that it's cheaper that nutrituous homemade time-consuming cheap pasta bolognese. Proved right but sulked :)) | 16:35 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | hello wip | 16:39 |
| wip | just got my upad :) (c71 arm9) | 16:39 |
| sledges | nice, and full with Android.. | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | first time i've heard of that device, what is that? | 16:41 |
| sledges | http://www.gizchina.com/2011/06/08/generation-upad-scores-2121-quadrant/ ? | 16:41 |
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| sledges | wip could you enlighten us? :) | 16:45 |
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| wip | sledges: sure it's a zenith c71 - arm9 1ghz 512 ram | 16:59 |
| wip | basically it's the spark tablet | 16:59 |
| wip | got it for 144$ USD on ebay | 17:00 |
| sledges | was the webpage according to your new toy? | 17:00 |
| wip | nope hold on | 17:00 |
| wip | http://www.zenithink-zepad.com/zenithink-c71-android-4-0-tablet-pc-7-inch-cortex-a9-1ghz-c71-tablet-pc-4gb-red.html | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | ah, so a standard zenithink | 17:00 |
| wip | i hope i can install linux on it!?! | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | you're supposed to be able to, yeah :) | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | wip: for future reference, arm9 === armv4 | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | wip: you probably mean armv7 cortex-a9 | 17:01 |
| wip | sorry, new to this yes | 17:01 |
| wip | let's say i want to install linux on it tonight, is there a tutorial? | 17:01 |
| wip | for now, i would be happy just with the kernel and a command line | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | wip: vgrade might know, though not sure how busy he is atm | 17:02 |
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| wip | ok, will be around | 17:03 |
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| Kaadlajk | ~9 | 17:04 |
| Kaadlajk | oops | 17:04 |
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| Stskeeps | baldand: ^ | 17:15 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/build.git;a=tree | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes, what about it? | 17:27 |
| lbt | do we use the meego*.conf files? | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 17:27 |
| lbt | just making sure :) | 17:28 |
| vgrade | wip, I can't share my work in progress just yet but if you want to tinker , http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/24906-zenithink-c71-zt-280-dual-boot/page__pid__330958__st__20#entry330958 | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: how's phost4 raid feeling? | 17:30 |
| wip | vgrade: excellent, let's work together (i know a thing or 2 about linux) | 17:30 |
| lbt | finish=2.8min | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 17:30 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: something I came across last night: http://stephesblog.blogs.com/my_weblog/2009/09/open-source-business-models-redux.html | 17:32 |
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| lbt | also http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2012/02/amazon-simple-workflow-cloud-based-workflow-management.html | 17:33 |
| lbt | "Amazon workflow system for handling cloud system decisions" | 17:33 |
| lbt | they're using ruote too | 17:34 |
| lbt | phost4 is done | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: and VPN back up? | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: anything we're doing wrong in the perspective of first blog? | 17:34 |
| lbt | we're missing training | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | that is true | 17:35 |
| lbt | but I can live with that at this point - we've not forgotten or dismissed it | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | no, in fact i've indirectly been doing it by mentoring/teaching people here so they can in turn teach others.. | 17:36 |
| lbt | otherwise it's quite nice to see the correlation | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | but then again | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | there has to be stuff to train about | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | we're approaching that level fairly quickly | 17:37 |
| lbt | you probably saw my notes reflect sb2 tutorial style approach | 17:37 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, do you have any of the Mer repos from last year, I want to identify a regression from october | 17:37 |
| lbt | hehe | 17:37 |
| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=175 | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: :twitch: | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: what version specifically? | 17:38 |
| vgrade | don't have the right vm open atm, will ping later | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | i have a copy of 0.20111013.2 | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | what regression area? | 17:39 |
| vgrade | I'm getting some bizzare crashes with odd stack traces in recent PA. Just wanted to test recent PA with old Mer to narrow down a bit. End of October was OK I think but I will let you know exactly later | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | any stack traces you can indulge me in? | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | i can pretty easily say where in the stack it says | 17:42 |
| vgrade | sec | 17:43 |
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| wip | vgrade: just a small question, when you say dual boot, do you mean that we will be able to keep android ics and linux on the tablet and choose which one to boot (like grub)? | 17:47 |
| vgrade | wip, you choose by having the sdcard in or not. Note the link above hoses the andriod partition | 17:48 |
| wip | that's neat! | 17:49 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, backtrace mailed | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: ta | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: yeah, start with installing glibc-debuginfo | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: that gives you more detail :) | 18:05 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, thanks, | 18:08 |
| * Stskeeps gets irritated at harmattan documentation licensing | 18:09 | |
| Stskeeps | personal use only | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | and after that release is long gone, it's useless | 18:10 |
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| bigbluehat | Stskeeps: saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Pz17lbjOFn8 thought of you | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | this better not be rick astley.. | 18:16 |
| bigbluehat | ? | 18:17 |
| bigbluehat | I've no idea | 18:17 |
| bigbluehat | who's rick astley? | 18:17 |
| dm8tbr | :D | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ&ob=av2e | 18:17 |
| bigbluehat | Chris Harrison…it seems: http://www.chrisharrison.net/index.php/Research/OmniTouch | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: i think MS actually showed this recently too | 18:18 |
| bigbluehat | so…why has this been watched 47 million+ times? :-P | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling ;) | 18:18 |
| mdfe_ | hehe | 18:18 |
| bigbluehat | <yawn> | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm glancing at developer.meego.com and thinking there's a fair bit of stuff we can (with proper attribution) knick from there | 18:19 |
| bigbluehat | ha, I've heard of Rickrolling | 18:20 |
| bigbluehat | but have somehow managed to avoid it…until now | 18:20 |
| bigbluehat | thanks Stskeeps :-P | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: it's not rickrolling when i have to explain it ;) | 18:20 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: *nod* - I have had tabs open there for weeks | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | also, there's UI guides i had no idea existed | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: ^ | 18:22 |
| timoph | rickrolling? :p | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: no, SDK guides | 18:22 |
| lbt | hehe | 18:22 |
| timoph | developer.meego.com? | 18:23 |
| * timoph looks | 18:23 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah, http://developer.meego.com/guides/create-your-first-qml-application for instance | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | or http://developer.meego.com/guides/debugging-meego-applications | 18:24 |
| matrixx | sometimes I like to rickroll my fellow partypeople by singing never gonna give you up in singstar ;) | 18:24 |
| matrixx | timoph: haha, I also thought of UI guides for rickrolling :D | 18:24 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: yeah. we could start a wiki section for those | 18:25 |
| * Stskeeps ponders who to petition for harmattan documentation to be published under liberal licenses | 18:25 | |
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| timoph | what lisence they're using for the docs? | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: "you may print it for personal use, no other use" | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:28 |
| timoph | "only for reading"? | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: any objections to me creating a VG on phost4 for backing up testdata? | 18:29 |
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| Stskeeps | err, LV | 18:29 |
| lbt | phost5 may be better | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | any preferred places on there? | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | /srv/testdata ? | 18:30 |
| lbt | yes but not in fstab | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i see / | 18:31 |
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| lbt | fooking rabbit holes | 18:37 |
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| lbt | bsdtar | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, bad side effect of sb2-as-a-vm | 18:39 |
| lbt | do we have it packaged? | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | we can fix up our libarchive possibly | 18:39 |
| lbt | it only needs to be in Mer:Tools | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but you can fix it in libarchive too.. | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | fine with me | 18:40 |
| lbt | ah, I see | 18:42 |
| lbt | OK | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | libarchive has bsdtar in case you didn't get the connection | 18:43 |
| lbt | yeah, just checked the spec | 18:43 |
| lbt | and since it's security I verified https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=bsdtar&project=openSUSE%3ATools&rev=d7d60b5ff765454a558735e88fa64e5a | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:43 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly who the heck just rang his door | 18:47 | |
| lbt | Rick? | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | only word i picked up was 'zmnienaki' which on a google search gets me .. fish | 18:49 |
| lbt | 'n chips | 18:51 |
| lbt | mmm | 18:51 |
| lbt | hungry now | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 18:51 |
| lbt | gah ... no git in SDK (due to missing rsync) | 18:52 |
| lbt | now annoying me | 18:52 |
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| timoph | lbt: enough for you to package rsync? :p | 19:04 |
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| lbt | no, enough to force install git though :) | 19:21 |
| lbt | but rsync is on the TODO now | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/13/hp-reliability-testing-lab-video/ <- -QA is fun for th whole family | 19:22 |
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| Venemo | hey | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | moo Venemo | 19:30 |
| Venemo | moo Stskeeps :) | 19:31 |
| Venemo | has anyone tried Mer on Archos's gen8 yet? | 19:32 |
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| Stskeeps | gen8 or 9? | 19:32 |
| Venemo | gen8 | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | hello achab | 19:33 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, better backtrace now, http://pastie.org/3587795 . Adding more debuginfo | 19:33 |
| achab | hello | 19:33 |
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| Venemo | IIRC gen9 has an OMAP4 chip the GPU on which is not well supported yet. however, IIRC gen8 has OMAP3 like the N9(x0) | 19:34 |
| macmaN | makeplaylive still isnt shipping for a while i guess huh | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | achab: welcome :) so what brings you here? | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | macmaN: dunno, website would know | 19:34 |
| Venemo | I'm just curious whether anyone has got it working yet, and if so, how much of the hw worked :) | 19:34 |
| achab | I'm interested in Mer, I am a Qt developer | 19:34 |
| macmaN | Stskeeps: not really... looks like only those on the inside are supposed to know | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | achab: alright :) if you have any questions, don't hestitate to ask | 19:35 |
| Venemo | achab, thenyou're in the right place :) | 19:35 |
| achab | Is the mer project alive? | 19:35 |
| Venemo | yeah | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | achab: sure, quite alive | 19:35 |
| Venemo | it's getting more and more alive every day | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | we release every 14 days or so at the moment | 19:35 |
| achab | Is there any way to contribute? | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | achab: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | just remember Mer's just a core, so maybe you'd also be interested in projects on top of Mer such as Plasma Active, Nemo, etc | 19:36 |
| achab | Where could i find information about plasma active? | 19:37 |
| Venemo | achab, IRC channel #active | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | achab: http://plasma-active.org/ as well | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: turns out it wasn't fish, but potatoes | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: this could get confusing ordering fish and chips.. | 19:39 |
| vgrade | time for food I think | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: looks like a polkit binding issue | 19:40 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, the guys have aske for for some polkit debug to be added | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: it might simply be that we upgraded polkit and their bindings went out of date | 19:42 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 19:42 | |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: we upgraded 2 months ago | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/polkit.git;a=log;h=HEAD | 19:43 |
| achab | thanks and bye | 19:44 |
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| Venemo | so, do you have any info on archos gen8? | 19:50 |
| dm8tbr | Venemo: yes? | 19:50 |
| Venemo | dm8tbr, I'm just curious whether anyone has got it working yet, and if so, how much of the hw worked :) | 19:51 |
| dm8tbr | Venemo: given that my only gen8 is an A32, I'm unlikely to run Mer/PA on it. More likely on my A101 gen9 for which _av500_ should have pushed out the SDE, _today_ ... :P | 19:52 |
| dm8tbr | (there are ready images for gen9, incl. ks files) | 19:53 |
| dm8tbr | the existing images shouldn't be hard to adapt for gen8 though | 19:53 |
| dm8tbr | just exchange the kernel modules and the SGX libs | 19:53 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, thanks, I'll pass that on but I guess that that would have been noticed before now on x86 | 19:54 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: you'd be surprised how things can differ at times | 19:55 |
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| pdanek | Hey guys | 19:57 |
| pdanek | I'm current owner of merproject.net | 19:57 |
| pdanek | however I'm leaving my current domain registrar and willing to delete my registrar account | 19:57 |
| pdanek | anyone wants that domain gratis? | 19:58 |
| pdanek | but you will have to cover for transfer of course | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | prod lbt, he handles systems | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | and domains | 19:58 |
| pdanek | and so maybe he'll notice this chat, if not I'll PM him later | 19:58 |
| pdanek | thank you Stskeeps | 19:59 |
| pdanek | btw gitorious.info is free also, but I wonder anyone wants it, and it's a bit offtopic here :-] | 19:59 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, ok adding polkit-debuginfo and polkit-qt-1-debuginfo | 20:03 |
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| Venemo | dm8tbr, hmm | 20:18 |
| Venemo | dm8tbr, okay :) | 20:18 |
| Venemo | dm8tbr, is hw graphics acceleration working on gen9 on Mer yet? | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | GeorgeH: just spotted this: http://tideals.com/ti-deal-3-13-to-3-27/ | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | (other IVI people might be interested too) | 20:37 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=277055 crashes in same so has at least been seen before | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: url above might be useful for you too | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | kinda cheap can-capable board | 20:46 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, just looking, will pass on | 20:46 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, reminds me I need to do something with the beaglebone | 20:49 |
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| vgrade | http://www.towertech.it/en/products/hardware/tt3201-can-cape/ | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | hello Lurker | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: ah, also a good direction | 20:50 |
| Lurker | Hello | 20:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Lurker: welcome, so what brings you here to #mer ? :) | 20:51 |
| Lurker | I'm readen some stuff about Plasma Active on some webs | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | alright, if you have any questions on Mer feel free to ask | 20:52 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, dvi cape is available now also, must have missed that, http://uk.farnell.com/circuitco/beaglebone-dvi-d-cape/board-beaglebone-dvi-d-cape/dp/2075705 | 20:54 |
| Lurker | thanks Stskeeps | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | else feel free to hang out :) | 20:58 |
| dm8tbr | Venemo: I think so | 20:59 |
| dm8tbr | Venemo: should be easier on OMAP3 even. there has been also quite some documentation about how to run X11 etc on gen8 on the dev.openaos.org wiki | 21:00 |
| Venemo | mhmm | 21:00 |
| dm8tbr | after all it's a bit like the N9 on steroids ;) | 21:01 |
| Venemo | yeah, hehe | 21:01 |
| Venemo | dm8tbr, well, I'm almost 100% sure that the OMAP3 chip would work, however I'm not so sure that the wifi, bluetooth and other stuff in the gen8 will work too. | 21:02 |
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| dm8tbr | wifi is actually the same as n950, wl1271 | 21:03 |
| Venemo | mmhm | 21:04 |
| dm8tbr | and wpa_supplicant works well with it | 21:04 |
| dm8tbr | dunno about that other thing | 21:04 |
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| Venemo | that other thing=? | 21:04 |
| dm8tbr | you'd have fun with turning the TS by 180deg | 21:04 |
| dm8tbr | as the display is mounted 'turned' | 21:05 |
| dm8tbr | if you have a A101 g8 that is | 21:05 |
| dm8tbr | on the A70 it's ok | 21:05 |
| Venemo | I don't have it, just considering having it. | 21:05 |
| dm8tbr | have a gen9 then :) | 21:06 |
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| Venemo | dm8tbr, I'm not quite sure I could afford the gen9 | 21:06 |
| Venemo | but in any case, if I ever get myself a tablet, I want one that is compatible with Mer :) | 21:07 |
| dm8tbr | gen8 should work too, would just be some manual leg work. gen9 has it done already by vgrade and arc_mat et al. | 21:08 |
| Venemo | that sounds nicely | 21:08 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: chroot: cannot run command `/.build/initscript_sb2': No such file or directory | 21:18 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3588719 | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | use merproject osc | 21:19 |
| lbt | hmm - I think I am | 21:20 |
| lbt | yes | 21:21 |
| lbt | grep shows /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/osc/build.py: 'cbinstall', 'cbpreinstall', 'sb2install', | 21:21 |
| lbt | I'll debug it if you don't casually know what it is | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | i don't see it trying to preinstall the sb2install things | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | hence why i'm pondering | 21:22 |
| lbt | ah, wait - this is obs/local | 21:22 |
| lbt | so could be pre-sb2 | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | can i see buildinfo? | 21:23 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3588759 | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, no sb2-tools-armv7l in there | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | hence your obs is pre-sb2 | 21:25 |
| lbt | whens the freeze for this release? | 21:28 |
| lbt | for build and libarchive | 21:28 |
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