Tuesday, 2012-03-13

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floogleHello! Is there currently any way to install Mer on the Zenithink C71 before the Spark debuts? I would like to know.01:20
befordI suppose vgrade knows but he is probably afk01:21
floogleok thanks01:22
befordfound that01:23
befordvgrade explains a bit01:23
floogleok i know how to flash stuff but is there currently an image for mer?01:26
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floogleok thanks anyway guys01:35
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Alison_Chaikensonach, did you watch the video of Bernard Rosenkrantz's talk last month at Embedded Linux Conference?   It's very good.05:11
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sonachAlison_Chaiken: not yet, what is the link?05:15
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sonachAlison_Chaiken: what is the title of the video? Now I enter the video list:)05:18
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Alison_Chaikensonach, http://video.linux.com/videos/what-android-and-embedded-linux-can-learn-from-each-other05:24
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: comepiled gst-plugins-good successfully. PyXML is just for gtk-doc build, and gdk-pixbuf-2.0 to enable gdkpixbuf plugin, so it's Ok to remove them.05:26
sonachAlison_Chaiken: thank you!05:29
Sage_ZiQiangHuan: we have gst-plugins-good in CE:MW:Shared in cobs with those removed :)06:05
Sage_nos sure what are you talking about but just FYI :)06:06
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ZiQiangHuanSage_:  but the gst-plugins-good in CE:MW:Shared verison is old ,it's 0.10.2706:08
ZiQiangHuanSage_:  I compile the verison gst-plugins-good 0.10.3006:09
Sage_ah, ok06:10
Sage_ZiQiangHuan: would be nice if you could submit to that project as well :)06:11
ZiQiangHuanSage: you mean submit it to CE:MW:Shared ? Maybe you can tell me how to submit it06:13
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps:  mor06:15
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: regarding gst-plugins-good, cool :)06:17
StskeepsSage_: would you have time to do a -next image today?06:22
Stskeepsat least for n900/n95006:22
Sage_Stskeeps: I might have at some point06:23
Sage_when getting to better conn perhaps :D06:23
* Sage_ checked some package versions and has now 18 packages updates in queue06:24
StskeepsSage_: we should also look at mesa-intel06:25
Sage_scons, shadow-utils, openconnect, readline, mpc, module-init-tools, m2crypto, make, lua, libxcb, libtiff, libtasn1, libnl, libpciaccess, libsndfile, libfontenc, libexif, libedit06:25
Stskeepsmy first priority after release is merging eglibc first06:26
Stskeepsthen python06:26
Stskeepsthen we can add updates06:26
Sage_sure :)06:26
* Stskeeps is still waking up06:27
* Sage_ had some time with poor network connection :)06:28
Sage_Stskeeps: no package sohould depends on mesa only for the libs that are provided with other implementations as well right?06:32
StskeepsSage_: if they directly dep on mesa they're doing it wrong, correct06:32
Stskeepsie, after a build they should just link to libEGL.so.1 and libGLESv2.so.2 and that's it06:32
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Sage_so maybe "copypac" mesa to x86-generic and just anme it meas-x86-generic and ?06:34
Stskeepsthat's a start yeah06:35
Sage_then in x86 image should depend on that and everythin be well :)06:35
Stskeepsif i were you i would look into upgrading to mesa 8.0.1 too though06:35
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Stskeepsit was slightly worrying i actually crashed my exopc with opengl tests :)06:35
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* Stskeeps ponders why his internet is so slow today06:43
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* Sage_ knows the reason for his slow speed :)06:44
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Sage_Stskeeps: we might have problem with mesa packaging. Does any of the mesa libs require other mesa libs? If so should those explicitly depend on mesa-lib* ?06:47
Stskeepsmesa in core or mesa in hw adaptation06:48
Sage_does it matter?06:49
* Stskeeps goes take a look06:49
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Sage_I'm just wondering if lib dependency can actually mix two mesa packagings06:49
StskeepsSage_: in my packaging i see a requires mesa = exactversion06:51
Stskeepswhich it should be06:51
Stskeepsthey're pretty dependent on eachother so06:52
Sage_ah, my bad :)06:54
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Sage_I think I'm going blind06:55
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Stskeepsi didn't remember either, had to go manually check06:55
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Stskeepsmorn vgrade07:04
* Stskeeps doesn't like the mornings where he's a little unsure if he's awake or not, and it's not helping when the dream's internet connection has really bad latency07:05
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dm8tbrStskeeps: clearly you need FTTD installed07:34
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slaineStskeeps: morning07:58
slaineI see the cleaner woke up my puter07:58
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Stskeepsslaine: i just assume you came in for a late night chat :)07:59
slaineStskeeps: re the lowest spec x86 hw we have08:03
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slaineIt's all 686, but the VIA Nehemiah 1Ghz would be the lowest spec devices out there08:03
Stskeepslet me see how low that is08:03
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slaineWhile the VIA Nehemiah is a 686, it doesn't have all 686 instructions as the spec detailed some of them as optional08:04
slainesuch as cmov and noop08:04
slaineThe VIA Nehemiah does have cmov, but it doesn't have noop08:04
dm8tbrnoop is optional? :D08:04
Stskeepsyeah.. i recall the via processors08:04
slaineFedora still support them as all the olpc 1 and 1.5 processors are based on the Via instructions implementation08:05
slaineNext up the list would be a 600Mhz Celeron-M with an Intel 855GM graphics chip, there's also a 1GHz version of that08:09
Stskeepswould you probably do custom core builds for those anyway?08:09
slaineThe Celeron-M is more powerful than the VIA Nehemiah, even at 600Mhz08:09
Stskeepsie, optimize per device08:09
slaineDepends on what x86 build options are enabled08:10
Stskeepsright now it's very 'i486'08:10
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slaineiirc, I was going to do a 686 w/sse2 optimized build once I got everything up and running with internal OBS08:11
slaineAnd then for ARM, we've not decided a route yet08:12
slaineI've a Trimslice here to experiment on, I may get a 7" tablet of some description for likewise08:12
slaineI've seen mention of units based on iMX53 boards/Samsung boards and TI PandaBoards, so, it's clearly still anything goes at that point08:13
Stskeepsyeah, we should cover any armv7-a really08:13
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: If I want to use my videosink in qtmediahub, how much work I need to do?08:17
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: i've been running some tests and i think there might be a videosink problem08:18
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Stskeeps(ran qtmediahub on my own pc too)08:18
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: videosink problem ?08:19
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: yeah, something's a bit weird08:19
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: i couldn't get my qtmediahub to play videos either08:19
Stskeepsjust audio08:19
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: hmm, that seems qt-mobility use a custom videosink08:20
Stskeepsdid your 'player' example work fine?08:24
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: only play audio, not video08:24
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: when use player to play video, got " stream stopped, reason not-negotiated"08:26
Stskeepscan you see if you can get any GST debugging info out of it?08:26
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: you mean the logs when use player to play ogv?08:27
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: some of the logs http://pastie.org/353933808:29
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: and playbin works in gst-launch ?08:31
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: playbin or playbin2 ?08:31
Stskeepsplaybin2 i guess08:31
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes, I can ues playbin2 to play ogv08:31
Stskeepsvgrade: ping08:33
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: let me just test some things on my exop08:34
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok08:34
Stskeepsi'll test player example on there08:36
vgradeStskeeps, hi08:39
Stskeepsvgrade: did you ever have qtmediahub playing videos?08:39
vgradeStskeeps, no.08:40
* Stskeeps thinks our qt-mobility is broken and is trying to collect proof..08:41
BostikStskeeps: proof enough that it was dropped as a separate subsystem and merged in pieces to core qt5? :)08:41
StskeepsBostik: yes, but video out to work ;)08:42
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Stskeepsthis is why we need test cases..08:43
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Stskeepsmoin mdfe_08:46
mdfe_good morning08:49
Stskeepsmdfe_: in ModemManager, change libgudev-devel dependency to libgudev1-devel, the libgudev name is obsolete long ago08:49
Stskeeps(noticed that regression)08:50
mdfe_great thanks08:50
mdfe_by the way im checking the pulseaudio patches if they are included in the update08:51
Stskeepsi highly doubt it :)08:51
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mdfe_I'm just at the beginning08:53
mdfe_but https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=README-patches&package=pulseaudio&project=home%3Amdfe%3Apulseaudio&rev=a9d587cb69f1f64144cbfcfd0420221b08:53
mdfe_till now all patches are included08:53
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mdfe_and the bigest patchset was generated from this repository08:54
mdfe_my work-flow is, check if the patch is included; add a new line to the README, delete the patch from the package08:55
mdfe_could you repoduce the issue with broken local osc build on arm?08:56
Stskeepslbt was on that08:57
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok, at least on exopc 'player' works08:57
Stskeepswith ogv08:57
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: then it seems something is wrong with my qt-mobility ?08:59
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: i'm not confident about that yet08:59
Stskeepsi need to run more tests09:00
Stskeepsdid you install gst-plugins-good ?09:00
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes09:00
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: which sink your player use to play ogv09:01
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: xvimagesink or ximagesink, it seems something wrong with my xvimagesink09:02
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: how do you check?09:02
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: yeah, i would be surprised if your xvimagesink works09:02
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: my xvimagesink not work09:02
Stskeepsyour X driver doesn't support xv, so09:03
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: gst-launch-0.10 videotestsrc ! xvimagesink, I got http://pastie.org/358402909:05
Stskeepsyour x driver doesn't support Xvideo09:05
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes09:05
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: another question, because Hisiv's SDK not offer interface for me to write a single decode element, I have to make a sink plugin which contains decode and sink function. Then I have to change the qt-mobility's source code to make it use my own sink.09:12
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: do you think how much work I have to do09:13
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: i don't think terribly much, but i must admit i'm not deep into qt mobility09:14
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: For a test, I just change "ximagesink" to my own sink, but it seems not work09:15
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: i think we should try to first to get ximagesink to work09:17
Stskeepsto see the pipelink works09:17
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: maybe you are right09:18
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: i'll test out ximagesink myself later09:19
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: thanks for that. now I try to view the qt-mobility's source code09:20
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: i have a i486 media centre pc i want to run qtmediahub too so :)09:20
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lbtmorning all09:24
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Stskeepsmorn lbt09:26
lbtlooking at the osc/build issues this am09:26
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Stskeepslbt: any good idea where we can stuff http://testdata.meego.com/ ?09:29
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Stskeepsyes, each of those are 650mb..09:29
Stskeepssomewhere that won't freak out vendors09:30
lbtwe have plenty of space to copy them09:31
lbtIT task bug?09:32
Macerputting it on piratebay would be awesome09:32
Stskeepslbt: yeah.. it's a very valuable test set09:33
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Maceri wonder how long nokia will serve the maemo stuff09:34
lbtX-Fade knows09:34
Macerim surprised they still do tbh09:34
Stskeepsi suspect they're starting to wind down by now09:34
Maceri would be surprised if nokia can actually afford it anymore09:35
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Macerjohn carter cost $250M? wow09:42
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KaadlajkI read that maemo.gitorious.org is the first to go but that was just a rumour09:43
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StskeepsKaadlajk: yeah.. i wouldn't be surprised if that one goes09:44
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Stskeepslbt: phost4, dmesg09:47
Stskeepsgood thing it's just a worker, but hm09:48
lbt*sigh* .... IT monitoring is a pita09:48
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lbtcat /proc/mdstat09:49
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lbtyeah, I did09:50
Stskeepslooks like a missing device09:51
lbtit does09:51
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Stskeepscontact hetzner, or do a reboot to see if it comes back online?09:51
lbtcontact them I think09:51
lbtif they say reboot that's OK - but they should know about it09:52
lbtjust lookgin tin logs09:52
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lbtouch ... Jan 1909:54
Stskeepsdo we authorize them to replace it with a clean hd?09:55
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lbtare you doing it?09:55
Stskeepsyes, i'm sending the request through robot09:55
Stskeepsand collecting logs09:55
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lbt /var/log/messages-20120122.bz209:56
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lbtjust need to make sure they swap the right one - obviously09:58
lbtPITA that smartctl shows no serial#09:58
Stskeepsthey have a setting for "intact hd"09:59
Stskeepsso i can write the intact one09:59
Stskeepsi wonder if they're hotswap servers10:00
lbtI hope so :)10:00
* Stskeeps sends request10:01
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Stskeepscollected smartctl, dmesg, jan 19 log, etc10:01
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Stskeepslbt: going to turn off phost4 worker10:08
lbtOK - is that what they say?10:08
Stskeepsjust for good measure10:08
Stskeepsbut then again10:08
Stskeepsit's a nice test to see if we can survive a hd replacement :)10:08
lbtI'd let them guide us10:08
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lbtany way to cc me on the ticket?10:09
Stskeepssadly no, but i'll keep you in the lop10:09
lbtgood catch - & you've seen the mdadm bug I take it10:10
lbtRAID is also cool10:10
Stskeepsi was doing a 'vgdisplay' on phost4 to see if i could add a lv for the testdata stuff and it reported I/O errors10:11
Stskeepsso i got a bit suspicious10:11
lbtyeah - testdata isn't urgent though - I wanted to look at where our data was currently spread out too10:11
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lbtbear in mind we'll want to serve it and phost4 has no VMs10:12
lbtalso phost1 has 3Tb of space10:13
Stskeepsi'm not saying serve at the moment10:13
Stskeepsjust keep a copy10:13
* Stskeeps likes the word "festplatte"10:14
lbtbroken disk ?10:14
lbtfestering platter :)10:14
Stskeepsno, hd10:14
lbtI prefer my interpretation :)10:14
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StskeepsKaadlajk: were you by chance involved with mcts-qtmultimedia ?10:21
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Stskeepsor mwts, i forgot what category it was in :)10:21
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virtualdparty plate10:24
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Stskeepsphaeron, lbt: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/hostbased.png10:40
Stskeepsover ssh10:41
lbtI saw that - looked interesting10:43
Stskeepsthis is a new one, actually10:43
Stskeepsold one i had just loaded the test definition10:43
Stskeepsthis time around i run it from my sdk to device10:43
lbtsounds like another functional install set for the SDK then :)10:44
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* lbt pings alterego .... wiki move .... :)11:06
Stskeepslbt: mail11:12
KaadlajkStskeeps: it is mwts11:12
KaadlajkStskeeps: also I was not involved in asset development11:12
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KaadlajkI know how to run mwts stuff (where logs, results etc are) and i know the QA-tools11:13
Stskeepslbt: yeah, but they rebooted it :/11:13
lbtI wonder how11:14
Stskeeps<take out hd> "hmm, this shut down the machine.." ?11:14
Stskeepslbt: so, reboot test: openvpn doesn't come up11:15
Stskeepsyou'll peek at it11:15
lbtin already11:15
lbtnb ... http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-it/2012-March/000109.html11:15
Stskeepsoh that's good to know11:16
lbtoff-list about mer11:16
Stskeepswe don't actually have mirrorbrain though11:16
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: is mirrors.ustc.edu.cn a good place to have mer mirror on you think?11:17
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes, a mirror in China can improve our access.11:19
Stskeepslet's see if we can get them to mirror mer11:19
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lbtis mer-general an open list?11:21
Stskeepsi think you need sub-to-send11:22
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lbtupdated wiki11:22
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StskeepsKaadlajk: is there anything like offline qa reports? ie, pdf format or something11:26
Stskeepsto push testrunner results.xml into11:26
KaadlajkStskeeps: none that I know of11:30
KaadlajkI was just thinking that in this scope it would be useful11:30
Kaadlajkwe always had some webservice11:30
Stskeepslo sledges11:33
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Stskeepssledges: can't recall, did i show you our test stuff under development/integration?11:40
sledgesthe .png? yes :)11:41
sledgescheers for thinking!11:41
Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/testtrunner-manual.png too11:41
sledgesthis no :)11:42
Stskeepshttp://qa-reports.meego.com/1.3/Handset/Acceptance/N900CE is also a open source website11:42
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Stskeepslbt: RM in 10 minutes?11:50
slaineUseSIGO = "false" in an xorg.conf, causes Via openchrome driver to segfault, just FYI11:55
Stskeepssledges: fun11:57
Stskeepser, slaine11:57
Stskeepsslaine: what kind of QA tools do you guys use, out of curiousity? (if you can tell)11:58
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jukkaeklundvgrade, just fyi I failed on creating the PA image for N950..12:23
Stskeepswhich errors?12:23
jukkaeklundInfo: Retrieving zypper-1.6.15-1.6.armv7hl.rpm [541/542] ...error: not an rpm package12:25
Stskeepssounds like you need to clean your cache possibly12:25
jukkaeklundwhich cache?12:26
Stskeepsthe mic cache, i don't recall offhand where it is in sdk12:26
lbtin /var/tmp/mic/cache12:26
lbthttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Sharing_mic_and_osc_caches is useful12:27
jukkaeklundthank you sirs12:28
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jeremiahWhere is the canonical resource for OSC?13:02
jeremiahI have a feeling I have an old git repo13:02
Stskeepsresource.. as in upstream?13:02
jeremiahI was also looking for bugtracker13:03
jeremiahSince I get pointed to Novell and I think that is, umm, deprecated.13:03
Stskeepsi (sadly) don't think it's deprecated13:03
jeremiahAh, okay.13:04
Stskeepsopensuse OBS uses novell accounts too from what i can recall13:04
jeremiahSo I have to go and get a Novell login. :/13:04
lbthey jeremiah13:04
jeremiahlbt: Hey!13:04
lbtyes, you need a novell login13:04
jeremiahOh well, one less bug report for them. :)13:04
Stskeepsout of curiousity, what bug did you run into?13:05
jeremiahI just wanted to change some minor documentation - no biggie.13:05
Stskeepsprobably easier with a git pull request then13:05
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Stskeepsbbl, upgrading wifi to openwrt13:18
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WntI don't know if it signing this kind of petitions makes any difference, but it might interest some of you: https://www.change.org/petitions/nokia-users-stop-microsoft-ization-of-the-nokia13:46
jeremiahThe marketplace is the only thing that can stop that.13:51
jeremiahBTW, why is Mer not on distrowatch: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mer13:52
lbtjeremiah: you may be amused by a name that's still on the waiting list... http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=submit13:55
jeremiahOkay, boo to Distrowatch.13:56
lbtI rather like the fact that Tizen hasn't been accepted :)13:57
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Stskeepsopenwrt upgrade [x]14:02
jukkaeklundvgrade, update: has an image but nothing comes up on screen14:05
* timoph is tired14:05
timophgot civilization V yesterday and decided to give it quick spin..14:06
timophsuddenly noticed it was 1.30am..14:06
Stskeepstimoph: :>14:07
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PaimenStskeeps: btw what kind of results you get from thse OpenGL benchmark-tests with testrunner?14:07
StskeepsPaimen: just turned off the device.. let me just se14:09
* jukkaeklund will someday produce a working image, but not today14:09
vgradejukkaeklund, not even the splash screen?14:10
PaimenStskeeps: just wondering if benchmark is deemed to be passed, what is passeing criteria also dou you get some kind of measurement data also?14:10
jukkaeklundvgrade nemo splash comes and then all black14:10
StskeepsPaimen: yes i do14:11
jukkaeklundlooks like usb is not up, can't ssh14:11
KaadlajkPaimen: measurement results should be on the result XML14:12
Kaadlajkalso /var/log/tests folder on the device14:12
PaimenKaadlajk: I do not have device to run tests, just curious what kind of data you get out with test runner14:14
* Stskeeps re-runs tests14:15
timophmight make sense to setup a qa-reports instance to get prettier results if the plan is to use tr-lite for most of the tests14:16
Kaadlajkdepends what the test produces, testrunner-lite accepts measurement data in csv format14:16
Kaadlajki guess most of the blts opengl tests report framerate and cpu usage14:16
PaimenKaadlajk: any information how framerate is measured?14:16
* timoph is again having meego-qa-tools fashbacks14:17
Stskeepstimoph: we're not paying for another round of therapy..14:17
Kaadlajknah QA-tools wasnt that bad :-)14:17
KaadlajkPaimen: i dont know14:17
PaimenI have found meego-qa-tools to be kind of nice set of things, just not time to sink into it14:18
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PaimenTDriver is only one I have some knowledge how to use14:18
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StskeepsPaimen: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/tests_result.xml14:18
timophKaadlajk: no. it just didn't have a happy ending (pun intended)14:18
KaadlajkPaimen: look for measurement elements for measurement results14:19
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Kaadlajkfrom that xml14:19
PaimenStskeeps: great, thank you14:19
StskeepsPaimen: search for 'measurement'14:19
Kaadlajktimoph: 2,5 weeks left still for me :P14:19
timophKaadlajk: a new job already secured?14:20
PaimenStskeeps: looks lot of what we are measuring with tdriver and qtquick 2.0 apps14:20
StskeepsPaimen: this is fwiw run from my mer platform sdk over ssh to the device14:21
Kaadlajktimoph: process ongoing14:21
Stskeepsso quite nice way of doing it14:21
timophlooks like the tests are missing configuration14:21
timophmight have an impact on the results. dunno14:22
Stskeepstimoph: that, and some errors in the mesa output i think14:22
timophthe test configurations were something that never really materialized to the public things14:23
Stskeepstimoph: i was glancing at testdata.meego.com earlier14:23
Stskeepsthat's a goldmine14:23
Kaadlajktestdata.meego.com seems to have the same stuff we use internally14:24
PaimenStskeeps: yup seems to be good approach14:24
Kaadlajk~32GB stuff14:24
timophStskeeps: those should be all freely distributable14:24
Stskeepstimoph: and several copies of big buck bunny ;)14:24
timophso a backup of them might be something to do14:24
KaadlajkI once did svn co of that repo with testdata :P14:25
timophbefore they're gone14:25
Stskeepsi was going to do that, but then i noticed a broken RAID on the machine i was going to store it at..14:25
timophKaadlajk: yeah. been there with a earlier closed tools thing :)14:25
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StskeepsPaimen: from next release on we're going to place a strong emphasis on testing, so anything that isn't secret and useful test/benchmark work is more than welcome to be contributed14:26
Stskeepsit makes for much better advertisement when we can show a large amount of passing testcases14:26
Paimenwell,our thing is not secret, just need to think how usable is it and what kind of licensing we use with our apps14:27
timophthat makes having an qt-reports instance even more useful14:27
PaimenStskeeps: expopc is wetab right?14:27
StskeepsPaimen: yeah14:27
PaimenI happen to have one on desk right now :)14:28
timophI think the only diff is that exo has more memory in it14:28
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Stskeepsgood thing that intel borrowed them out before meego died :cough:14:28
Paimenand we can get some gpu-utilisation data also14:28
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timophbut yeah. all the test tools, etc. were starting to be in a good shape when the plug was pulled so there's a lot stuff to utilize14:29
Stskeepsgoing to be really difficult to run up QA bandwidth though14:30
Stskeepsso let's see how much can be automated14:30
timophyep. I'd also try to use as much automation as possible14:30
Stskeepsalso the fact it's surprisingily harder to test a core than you'd think..14:33
Paimendamn wife is home, so need to go run errands, but well I like to see testing things going on with mer14:33
Stskeepssee you14:33
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Stskeepsgood morning Alison_Chaiken14:34
Alison_ChaikenHuomenta Stskeeps.14:34
WntDoes Stskeeps know finnish?14:35
pirutwhois Wnt14:35
StskeepsWnt: i hardly know the language of the country i live in :)14:36
Stskeeps(no, i don't know finnish)14:36
Stskeepsbut when you've worked remotely with finns for a while, you pick up some things14:36
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: how's the G9 work coming along?14:37
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Alison_ChaikenStskeeps, worked on another project instead, as dm8tbr and _av500_ said official bootloader unlock tool was about to drop.14:39
Alison_ChaikenWhile I'll use XDA method if that's what's available, official one is better!14:39
Stskeepsyeah, makes for better reproducability14:40
Alison_ChaikenUnit has a HDD (so I can do native builds), so presumably a poorly executed unlock is recoverable anyway: at very very worst, replace HDD.14:40
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sledgeswhat is Mer's API for power management, and other possible peripherals?15:02
Stskeepswe usually say that's over in ux and hardware adaptation - maybe it's better to say what exactly you're thinking of?15:05
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lbtStskeeps: seen alterego recently? I want to set a time to move the wiki15:15
Stskeepslbt: yesterday quickly15:16
Stskeepslbt: sometimes it's easier to catch him in /msg15:16
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sledgesStskeeps, a device with LCD screen running Mer+imaginary UX on top. It has WLAN, GPS and 3G. How can user space apps benefit from Mer, or daemons would then have to be implemented for every UX vendor effort even against standardised /dev/* (Mer is not responsible for APIsing daemons? or is it something I do not know yet (e.g. that systemd might do some stuff)) e.g. with /dev/ world there can't be two apps reading /dev/gps at the same time, and so on15:26
Stskeepssledges: ah, good one15:28
Stskeepssledges: one of the things we learnt with old Mer was that actually doing a generic behaviour framework, even for blanking screens or what to do when pressing a button is actually damn hard15:28
Stskeepsbecause every device is different15:29
sledgesbut Android PDK seems to have done that..15:29
Stskeepswe have a few things, sensor framework for instance15:30
sledgesand then you just need to tie loose ends to /dev/ nodes (not that that is easy, but the framework is there)15:30
Stskeepsconnman for connectivity15:30
Stskeepsofono for telephony and modem15:30
Stskeepssledges: in terms of resource control, in Nemo we have something called resource policy framework which helps control audio behaviour and for instance don't have two apps use Xvideo at same time15:31
sledgesgpsd can be as well ported15:31
Stskeepsyes, gpsd would work fine probably15:31
Stskeepsthe thing is that there's sometimes a bit of disagreement on how to do things at times15:32
sledges(from the top level I reckon)15:32
Stskeepsbecause a STB doesn't have the same needs as a full handset15:33
Stskeepsfrom Qt side there's qt mobility15:33
Stskeepsbut this is again with the fascist control need..15:34
sledgesQt's free again (http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/10/21/the-qt-project-is-live/)15:34
sledges( ;) @ lbt )15:35
Stskeepsyeah, qt-project is working surprisingily well15:35
Stskeepssledges: so in the end it really comes down to what people need and what people can agree on as solution15:35
Stskeepsor what seems the best architectually15:35
sledgessimply more pieces of puzzle to piece together15:36
Stskeepsin practice, i try to see from Qt APIs and down in what i need to support in mer15:36
Stskeepsand there's still gaps for location and PIM15:36
StskeepsPIM is even moving more towards JSON databases15:36
Stskeepssledges: so what specifically do you know from android PDK that they use as HAL?15:39
sledgesit is all in-betweened as middle layer: /dev/node - daemon - .cpp JNI part - .java VM part - user space (LCD)15:40
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sledgesGPS+GPRS goes via ril15:41
sledgesWLAN: wpa_supplicant15:41
sledgesnot GPS15:41
sledgesGPS goes via gpsd and gps.h, then onto LocationProvider java15:41
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Stskeepsright, in mer that's qtlocation -> geoclue/gypsy/gpsd, wlan: qt bearer management or connman dbus api -> wlan ioctls, or wpa_supplicant, gprs+gsm through ofono apis15:42
Stskeepsdisplay really varies on what you want to do, but glesv2/egl, framebuffer, x11, etc..15:43
Stskeepsqtlocation -or- html5 location api15:43
Stskeepseither way, i'm going for dinner now -- just for good measure, mer doesn't necessarily give a standard app story15:46
Stskeepswe give the tools to make one though15:47
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nsuffysHi :)15:49
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sledgesno connmann integration in qt? Stskeeps, I reckon you mentioned connmann not in Qt context then16:00
sledgesoh right, connman is dbus16:00
Stskeepsthere is a qt api for it too but generally apps want bearer management not full wifi control16:01
Stskeepsthat's usually reserved for control panels and ux16:02
sledgesok ta Stskeeps , have a nice dinner!16:02
Stskeepswaiting for a good steak atm.. it's always a bit awkward eating alone but after several days of coding and pizza i need a proper meal ;)16:04
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sledgeswhy eat alone, are you somewhere in a garage? :) (that's where biggest start-ups started)16:15
Stskeepswife away for three weeks, so alone home a bit16:16
sledgesah, in my case those would be the most productive ones :DD16:22
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* w00t tranquilises Stskeeps' cat16:31
Stskeepsoh feck16:33
Stskeepspocket irc16:33
Stskeepssledges: yeah.. productive for me too but you start to realize how much of your daily energy comes from proper nutrition ;)16:34
* sledges so true!16:35
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* sledges tried to survive on reduced ready-made meals and tried to prove that it's cheaper that nutrituous homemade time-consuming cheap pasta bolognese. Proved right but sulked :))16:35
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Stskeepshello wip16:39
wipjust got my upad :) (c71 arm9)16:39
sledgesnice, and full with Android..16:41
Stskeepsfirst time i've heard of that device, what is that?16:41
sledgeshttp://www.gizchina.com/2011/06/08/generation-upad-scores-2121-quadrant/ ?16:41
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sledgeswip could you enlighten us? :)16:45
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wipsledges: sure it's a zenith c71 - arm9 1ghz 512 ram16:59
wipbasically it's the spark tablet16:59
wipgot it for 144$ USD on ebay17:00
sledgeswas the webpage according to your new toy?17:00
wipnope hold on17:00
Stskeepsah, so a standard zenithink17:00
wipi hope i can install linux on it!?!17:00
Stskeepsyou're supposed to be able to, yeah :)17:01
Stskeepswip: for future reference, arm9 === armv417:01
Stskeepswip: you probably mean armv7 cortex-a917:01
wipsorry, new to this yes17:01
wiplet's say i want to install linux on it tonight, is there a tutorial?17:01
wipfor now, i would be happy just with the kernel and a command line17:02
Stskeepswip: vgrade might know, though not sure how busy he is atm17:02
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wipok, will be around17:03
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Stskeepsbaldand: ^17:15
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lbtStskeeps: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/build.git;a=tree17:27
Stskeepsyes, what about it?17:27
lbtdo we use the meego*.conf files?17:27
Stskeepsnot really17:27
lbtjust making sure :)17:28
vgradewip, I can't share my work in progress just yet but if you want to tinker , http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/24906-zenithink-c71-zt-280-dual-boot/page__pid__330958__st__20#entry33095817:29
Stskeepslbt: how's phost4 raid feeling?17:30
wipvgrade: excellent, let's work together (i know a thing or 2 about linux)17:30
Stskeepslbt: ok17:30
lbtStskeeps: something I came across last night: http://stephesblog.blogs.com/my_weblog/2009/09/open-source-business-models-redux.html17:32
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lbtalso http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2012/02/amazon-simple-workflow-cloud-based-workflow-management.html17:33
lbt"Amazon workflow system for handling cloud system decisions"17:33
lbtthey're using ruote too17:34
lbtphost4 is done17:34
Stskeepslbt: and VPN back up?17:34
Stskeepslbt: anything we're doing wrong in the perspective of first blog?17:34
lbtwe're missing training17:35
Stskeepsthat is true17:35
lbtbut I can live with that at this point - we've not forgotten or dismissed it17:35
Stskeepsno, in fact i've indirectly been doing it by mentoring/teaching people here so they can in turn teach others..17:36
lbtotherwise it's quite nice to see the correlation17:36
Stskeepsbut then again17:36
Stskeepsthere has to be stuff to train about17:36
Stskeepswe're approaching that level fairly quickly17:37
lbtyou probably saw my notes reflect sb2 tutorial style approach17:37
vgradeStskeeps, do you have any of the Mer repos from last year, I want to identify a regression from october17:37
Stskeepsvgrade: :twitch:17:38
Stskeepsvgrade: what version specifically?17:38
vgradedon't have the right vm open atm, will ping later17:39
Stskeepsi have a copy of 0.20111013.217:39
Stskeepswhat regression area?17:39
vgradeI'm getting some bizzare crashes with odd stack traces in recent PA. Just wanted to test recent PA with old Mer to narrow down a bit.  End of October was OK I think but I will let you know exactly later17:42
Stskeepsany stack traces you can indulge me in?17:42
Stskeepsi can pretty easily say where in the stack it says17:42
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wipvgrade: just a small question, when you say dual boot, do you mean that we will be able to keep android ics and linux on the tablet and choose which one to boot (like grub)?17:47
vgradewip, you choose by having the sdcard in or not.  Note the link above hoses the andriod partition17:48
wipthat's neat!17:49
vgradeStskeeps, backtrace mailed17:53
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Stskeepsvgrade: ta17:57
Stskeepsvgrade: yeah, start with installing glibc-debuginfo17:57
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Stskeepsvgrade: that gives you more detail :)18:05
vgradeStskeeps, thanks,18:08
* Stskeeps gets irritated at harmattan documentation licensing18:09
Stskeepspersonal use only18:10
Stskeepsand after that release is long gone, it's useless18:10
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bigbluehatStskeeps: saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Pz17lbjOFn8 thought of you18:16
Stskeepsthis better not be rick astley..18:16
bigbluehatI've no idea18:17
bigbluehatwho's rick astley?18:17
bigbluehatChris Harrison…it seems: http://www.chrisharrison.net/index.php/Research/OmniTouch18:17
Stskeepsbigbluehat: i think MS actually showed this recently too18:18
bigbluehatso…why has this been watched 47 million+ times? :-P18:18
Stskeepsbigbluehat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling ;)18:18
Stskeepslbt: i'm glancing at developer.meego.com and thinking there's a fair bit of stuff we can (with proper attribution) knick from there18:19
bigbluehatha, I've heard of Rickrolling18:20
bigbluehatbut have somehow managed to avoid it…until now18:20
bigbluehatthanks Stskeeps :-P18:20
Stskeepsbigbluehat: it's not rickrolling when i have to explain it ;)18:20
lbtStskeeps: *nod* - I have had tabs open there for weeks18:20
Stskeepsalso, there's UI guides i had no idea existed18:21
Stskeepstimoph: ^18:22
timophrickrolling? :p18:22
Stskeepstimoph: no, SDK guides18:22
* timoph looks18:23
Stskeepsyeah, http://developer.meego.com/guides/create-your-first-qml-application for instance18:23
Stskeepsor http://developer.meego.com/guides/debugging-meego-applications18:24
matrixxsometimes I like to rickroll my fellow partypeople by singing never gonna give you up in singstar ;)18:24
matrixxtimoph: haha, I also thought of UI guides for rickrolling :D18:24
timophStskeeps: yeah. we could start a wiki section for those18:25
* Stskeeps ponders who to petition for harmattan documentation to be published under liberal licenses18:25
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timophwhat lisence they're using for the docs?18:28
Stskeepstimoph: "you may print it for personal use, no other use"18:28
timoph"only for reading"?18:28
Stskeepslbt: any objections to me creating a VG on phost4 for backing up testdata?18:29
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Stskeepserr, LV18:29
lbtphost5 may be better18:29
Stskeepsany preferred places on there?18:30
Stskeeps /srv/testdata ?18:30
lbtyes but not in fstab18:31
Stskeepsyes, i see /18:31
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lbtfooking rabbit holes18:37
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Stskeepsyeah, bad side effect of sb2-as-a-vm18:39
lbtdo we have it packaged?18:39
Stskeepswe can fix up our libarchive possibly18:39
lbtit only needs to be in Mer:Tools18:39
Stskeepsyeah, but you can fix it in libarchive too..18:40
Stskeepsfine with me18:40
lbtah, I see18:42
Stskeepslibarchive has bsdtar in case you didn't get the connection18:43
lbtyeah, just checked the spec18:43
lbtand since it's security I verified https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=bsdtar&project=openSUSE%3ATools&rev=d7d60b5ff765454a558735e88fa64e5a18:43
* Stskeeps ponders idly who the heck just rang his door18:47
Stskeepsonly word i picked up was 'zmnienaki' which on a google search gets me .. fish18:49
lbt'n chips18:51
lbthungry now18:51
lbtgah ... no git in SDK (due to missing rsync)18:52
lbtnow annoying me18:52
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timophlbt: enough for you to package rsync? :p19:04
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lbtno, enough to force install git though :)19:21
lbtbut rsync is on the TODO now19:21
Stskeepshttp://www.engadget.com/2012/03/13/hp-reliability-testing-lab-video/ <- -QA is fun for th whole family19:22
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Stskeepsmoo Venemo19:30
Venemomoo Stskeeps :)19:31
Venemohas anyone tried Mer on Archos's gen8 yet?19:32
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Stskeepsgen8 or 9?19:32
Stskeepshello achab19:33
vgradeStskeeps, better backtrace now, http://pastie.org/3587795 . Adding more debuginfo19:33
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VenemoIIRC gen9 has an OMAP4 chip the GPU on which is not well supported yet. however, IIRC gen8 has OMAP3 like the N9(x0)19:34
macmaNmakeplaylive still isnt shipping for a while i guess huh19:34
Stskeepsachab: welcome :) so what brings you here?19:34
StskeepsmacmaN: dunno, website would know19:34
VenemoI'm just curious whether anyone has got it working yet, and if so, how much of the hw worked :)19:34
achabI'm interested in Mer, I am a Qt developer19:34
macmaNStskeeps: not really... looks like only those on the inside are supposed to know19:35
Stskeepsachab: alright :) if you have any questions, don't hestitate to ask19:35
Venemoachab, thenyou're in the right place :)19:35
achabIs the mer project alive?19:35
Stskeepsachab: sure, quite alive19:35
Venemoit's getting more and more alive every day19:35
Stskeepswe release every 14 days or so at the moment19:35
achabIs there any way to contribute?19:35
Stskeepsachab: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution19:36
Stskeepsjust remember Mer's just a core, so maybe you'd also be interested in projects on top of Mer such as Plasma Active, Nemo, etc19:36
achabWhere could i find information about plasma active?19:37
Venemoachab, IRC channel #active19:37
Stskeepsachab: http://plasma-active.org/ as well19:37
Stskeepslbt: turns out it wasn't fish, but potatoes19:39
Stskeepslbt: this could get confusing ordering fish and chips..19:39
vgradetime for food I think19:39
Stskeepsvgrade: looks like a polkit binding issue19:40
vgradeStskeeps, the guys have aske for for some polkit debug to be added19:40
Stskeepsvgrade: it might simply be that we upgraded polkit and their bindings went out of date19:42
* Stskeeps looks19:42
Stskeepsvgrade: we upgraded 2 months ago19:43
achabthanks and bye19:44
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Venemoso, do you have any info on archos gen8?19:50
dm8tbrVenemo: yes?19:50
Venemodm8tbr, I'm just curious whether anyone has got it working yet, and if so, how much of the hw worked :)19:51
dm8tbrVenemo: given that my only gen8 is an A32, I'm unlikely to run Mer/PA on it. More likely on my A101 gen9 for which _av500_ should have pushed out the SDE, _today_ ... :P19:52
dm8tbr(there are ready images for gen9, incl. ks files)19:53
dm8tbrthe existing images shouldn't be hard to adapt for gen8 though19:53
dm8tbrjust exchange the kernel modules and the SGX libs19:53
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vgradeStskeeps, thanks, I'll pass that on but I guess that that would have been noticed before now on x8619:54
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Stskeepsvgrade: you'd be surprised how things can differ at times19:55
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pdanekHey guys19:57
pdanekI'm current owner of merproject.net19:57
pdanekhowever I'm leaving my current domain registrar and willing to delete my registrar account19:57
pdanekanyone wants that domain gratis?19:58
pdanekbut you will have to cover for transfer of course19:58
Stskeepsprod lbt, he handles systems19:58
Stskeepsand domains19:58
pdanekand so maybe he'll notice this chat, if not I'll PM him later19:58
pdanekthank you Stskeeps19:59
pdanekbtw  gitorious.info is free also, but I wonder anyone wants it, and it's a bit offtopic here :-]19:59
vgradeStskeeps, ok adding polkit-debuginfo and polkit-qt-1-debuginfo20:03
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Venemodm8tbr, hmm20:18
Venemodm8tbr, okay :)20:18
Venemodm8tbr, is hw graphics acceleration working on gen9 on Mer yet?20:19
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StskeepsGeorgeH: just spotted this: http://tideals.com/ti-deal-3-13-to-3-27/20:35
Stskeeps(other IVI people might be interested too)20:37
vgradeStskeeps, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=277055 crashes in same so has at least been seen before20:45
Stskeepsvgrade: url above might be useful for you too20:46
Stskeepskinda cheap can-capable board20:46
vgradeStskeeps, just looking, will pass on20:46
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vgradeStskeeps, reminds me I need to do something with the beaglebone20:49
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Stskeepshello Lurker20:50
Stskeepsvgrade: ah, also a good direction20:50
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StskeepsLurker: welcome, so what brings you here to #mer ? :)20:51
LurkerI'm readen some stuff about Plasma Active on some webs20:52
Stskeepsalright, if you have any questions on Mer feel free to ask20:52
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vgradeStskeeps, dvi cape is available now also, must have missed that, http://uk.farnell.com/circuitco/beaglebone-dvi-d-cape/board-beaglebone-dvi-d-cape/dp/207570520:54
Lurkerthanks Stskeeps20:55
Stskeepselse feel free to hang out :)20:58
dm8tbrVenemo: I think so20:59
dm8tbrVenemo: should be easier on OMAP3 even. there has been also quite some documentation about how to run X11 etc on gen8 on the dev.openaos.org wiki21:00
dm8tbrafter all it's a bit like the N9 on steroids ;)21:01
Venemoyeah, hehe21:01
Venemodm8tbr, well, I'm almost 100% sure that the OMAP3 chip would work, however I'm not so sure that the wifi, bluetooth and other stuff in the gen8 will work too.21:02
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dm8tbrwifi is actually the same as n950, wl127121:03
dm8tbrand wpa_supplicant works well with it21:04
dm8tbrdunno about that other thing21:04
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Venemothat other thing=?21:04
dm8tbryou'd have fun with turning the TS by 180deg21:04
dm8tbras the display is mounted 'turned'21:05
dm8tbrif you have a A101 g8 that is21:05
dm8tbron the A70 it's ok21:05
VenemoI don't have it, just considering having it.21:05
dm8tbrhave a gen9 then :)21:06
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Venemodm8tbr, I'm not quite sure I could afford the gen921:06
Venemobut in any case, if I ever get myself a tablet, I want one that is compatible with Mer :)21:07
dm8tbrgen8 should work too, would just be some manual leg work. gen9 has it done already by vgrade and arc_mat et al.21:08
Venemothat sounds nicely21:08
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lbtStskeeps: chroot: cannot run command `/.build/initscript_sb2': No such file or directory21:18
Stskeepsuse merproject osc21:19
lbthmm - I think I am21:20
lbtgrep shows /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/osc/build.py:                  'cbinstall', 'cbpreinstall', 'sb2install',21:21
lbtI'll debug it if you don't casually know what it is21:22
Stskeepsi don't see it trying to preinstall the sb2install things21:22
Stskeepshence why i'm pondering21:22
lbtah, wait - this is obs/local21:22
lbtso could be pre-sb221:23
Stskeepscan i see buildinfo?21:23
Stskeepsyeah, no sb2-tools-armv7l in there21:25
Stskeepshence your obs is pre-sb221:25
lbtwhens the freeze for this release?21:28
lbtfor build and libarchive21:28

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