Sunday, 2012-03-11

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Sage_Stskeeps: sry, been quite busy latetly :/00:11
Sage_Stskeeps: wazzup with udev?00:11
Sage_ah, rebase...00:12
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Sage_funny :P00:16
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* Sage_ ponders what is the proper way to rebase this kind of things00:34
Sage_Stskeeps: we need guide for this :D00:37
Sage_managed to duplicate the request with merge :P00:38
Sage_took my old git tree with the fetch line from review. Then git pull mer-master the changes and fixed conflicts and pushed00:38
Sage_now there is two things in review :P00:39
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sonachAlison_Chaiken: hi, nice to see you:)03:13
Alison_ChaikenHey, sonach.   Which TZ are you in?03:19
Alison_ChaikenI haven't done too much with Mer yet, alas.03:19
sonachmy local time is 11:19 now,03:20
Alison_ChaikenThe project I work on just had a code release, and I am the build/release engineer.03:20
Alison_ChaikenSo once my packages are up, back to the Mer.03:20
Alison_Chaiken11:19 AM I take it?03:20
sonachyes, 11:19 AM,03:21
Alison_ChaikenIt's 19:20 here, although we're about to set clocks ahead tonight.03:21
Alison_ChaikenShenzen?03:21
sonachBeijing,03:21
Alison_ChaikenThe startup I worked with had a really smart team in Shenzen.    I was supposed to visit them and have a code sprint, but they ran out of money and didn't pay them, so no dice.03:22
Alison_ChaikenFor new contract, I may get to attend Computex though.03:22
Alison_ChaikenI guess Taipei is 1000 miles from Beijing though, huh?03:22
Alison_ChaikenIntel has a big team in Beijing, I know.03:23
Alison_ChaikenThat virtualization guy Haitao Feng is there.03:23
sonachhmm, Intel's meego team is turning to Tizen. We just had a disscussion of Intel's toolchain maintainer several weeks ago. But we don't know Haitao Feng...03:24
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sonachThe distance from Tappei to Beijing is about 2000 kilometers,03:25
sonachAlison_Chaiken: Just as you have said, you work are releated to Mer in some way?03:27
Alison_ChaikenMy work is related to Tizen . . . but I have one project assigned by businessperson who doesn't know the difference, so I'll try with Mer.03:27
Alison_ChaikenI submitted an abstract to Tizen Conf comparing Mer to Tizen and other platforms for IVI.03:28
Alison_ChaikenI'm going to install Mer on an Archos tablet, once I get my packages built.03:28
Alison_ChaikenHopefully that won't take past tomorrow afternoon.03:29
sonachAlison_Chaiken: that's cool! Where can I get your abstract submitted to Tizen Conf? or can you send it to me?03:33
Alison_ChaikenI'll email it to you.   No telling whether they will accept it or not, of course.03:34
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sonachAlison_Chaiken: Thank you!  I heard from Intel Beijing that they are evaluting the IVI solution to choose from MeeGo and Tizen.03:35
sonachSince MeeGo IVI is good, so Intel is hesitating whether to turn to Tizen for IVI.03:36
Alison_ChaikenInteresting.   I would think they wouldn't have a choice!03:36
Alison_ChaikenI just heard VW is going to ship a Maemo car.03:36
Alison_ChaikenI'm sure that MeeGo cars are still coming.03:36
Alison_ChaikenI know Hawtai and Geely are Moblin!03:36
sonachYes. Maybe you are an expert of IVI?03:37
Alison_ChaikenI'm trying!03:37
Alison_ChaikenThe combination of law and technology is very interesting.03:38
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Alison_ChaikenShould be an exciting couple of years in IVI.03:38
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sonachAlison_Chaiken: We will be evaluting the VM solution on Mer. Maybe we will ask you some related questions:)03:47
Alison_ChaikenSure, although as I said, not a word from me about former employer!03:50
sonachYes, I can understand this:)03:52
Alison_ChaikenPackage-building VM is restored and tested and ready to build: time for dinner.03:55
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Stskeepsmorn07:40
Macerwatching children of dune07:42
Macerthere is supposed to be a new movie in 201407:43
Stskeepsmm, good miniseries07:43
Macerheh. i thought it was awful in comparison to the books07:44
Macerthey changed quite a bit07:44
Macerthe 2000 dune series was pretty awesome tho07:44
Macerat the very least much closer to the novel than children of dun which was somewhat of an abortion of dune messiah and children of dune07:45
Stskeepsit's always hard to make those books into movies07:46
Stskeepsthough i wouldn't mind seeing the books his son & kevin j anderson made into movies07:47
Macersome of them maybe.. it would make for a great tv series if you strung them all together in order07:51
Macerthe butlerian jihad series is pretty good07:52
Maceronce you get past children of dune it gets a little odd though07:53
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Macerthe books about the various houses were interesting07:54
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Termanamorning08:25
Stskeepsmorn Termana08:27
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Sage_Stskeeps: did you look the reviews with udev yet?09:34
StskeepsSage_: yes, even the rebase fails.. could i ask you to simply re-do the patch, clone from udev, just slap your changes on top and submit it?09:34
Stskeepsthen we are ready for pre-release content tomorrow09:34
Sage_ok, I can do that again09:35
Stskeepswe'll end with a pretty nice core release if so, http://pastie.org/356961909:36
Sage_I'll fix the time as well so we could get that in09:37
Stskeepsok09:37
Sage_my own typo :)09:37
Stskeepstomorrow we should look at enabling our own mesa for intel chips as well09:39
Stskeepsso we don't regress in that area now that i've pulled intel chipset gpu out of mesa09:39
Sage_was there any other small change that failed?09:42
Stskeepslike, that wasn't merged yet?09:43
Sage_uh, alsa-utils09:43
Sage_it might cause problems if we don't update that with alsa-libs09:43
Sage_it failed because it requires the newer alsa-lib09:43
Stskeepsok, so it depended on alsa-libs?09:43
Sage_:nod:09:43
Sage_rebuild should be quite fast09:43
Sage_we don't have any deps on that AFAIK09:43
Stskeepsi will re-check that09:44
Stskeepssec09:44
Stskeepsalsa-utils sent for re-check09:45
Sage_udev resubmitted09:45
Sage_and timed.09:45
Sage_err.. time09:45
Stskeepsthanks09:47
Sage_also filed https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217 :)09:49
Stskeepsright09:49
Sage_just so that we remember to do that09:49
Sage_haven't had much similar cases in the past09:49
* Stskeeps ponders what to do today09:51
Stskeepsneed to find something else to do than sb2-obs and llvmpipe, or i'll go crazy :P09:52
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_av500_Stskeeps: go outside, take a walk10:22
Stskeeps_av500_: that thought has crossed my mind10:22
_av500_but only for a split second :)10:23
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Stskeepsdecided it was time to mer-ify my HTPC10:28
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Stskeepscxl000: ping, got a .ks for trimslice anywhere?11:05
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cxl000You could try this http://pastie.org/3570047 its arm7l with razorqt. I've just used the SDK mic to build an image.11:14
Stskeepscool11:14
Stskeepspirut: ^11:16
pirutthanks !11:16
cxl000this is build with razor QT desktop11:18
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djszapimorning, what am I doing wrong with my yaml/spec file and specify in here: http://paste.kde.org/437246/11:21
Stskeepsyou're trying to specify a spec11:22
Stskeepsyou should specify a yaml11:22
vgrademorn11:22
Stskeepsmorn vgrade11:22
djszapiStskeeps: wow, thanks.11:22
cxl000pirut looks like the kernel being pulled in that image in is broken so grab this one http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/cxl000:/trimslice:/Mer:/testing/Mer_Core_armv7l/armv7l/kernel-adaptation-trimslice-2.6.38.3%7ets1.03-50.2.Mer.armv7l.rpm11:26
pirutthanks cxl000, I will give that a try11:30
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StskeepsSage_: why does nokia-n950-configs dep on uxlaunch?12:05
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pirutcxl000: what should I use as the option to --mainrepo ?12:11
Stskeepspirut: get http://wiki.merproject.org/Platform_SDK12:12
Stskeepsthat's much saner to work with12:12
Venemo_N950Stskeeps, I get a not found error from that url12:12
Stskeepspirut: get http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK12:12
Stskeeps;)12:12
Venemo_N950ah!12:13
Venemo_N950:)12:13
pirutThanks12:13
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lbtmorning (kinda) all12:27
Stskeepsout of curiousity, how many of you here would be interested in helping run QA test sets on their various Mer devices?12:41
Stskeepsmay be manual work ;)12:42
* lbt has some jogglers12:45
Stskeepsah good, the pizza portal decided to work again for my favourite pizza place..12:52
Stskeepswas getting a tiny bit irate :P12:52
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lbtMerSDK david:~ > sudo zypper search qemu ..... No packages found.13:02
Stskeepsyes, zypper search is broken13:02
lbtOK - thought that was sorted13:02
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tommishai13:07
Stskeepshai13:07
tommiscould someone please assist me little installing mer on n81013:07
Stskeepsdid you read the adaptation page?13:08
tommisyes13:08
tommisshit was confusing13:08
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Stskeepsthen i'm not sure it's a good thing to try out :P13:18
vgradeStskeeps, count me in for testing13:21
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Tofehi !13:22
Stskeepshi hi13:23
Stskeepsnote for the logs: mcts-qtgfx-tests really really need updating13:28
TofeI failed yesterday to set up Nemo on my tablet; which is quite frustrating, because plasma active works well. So what I'm wondering is: where does Mer end, and where does the UI begin ? isn't it right that it should be possible to have two UI on the same Mer base ?13:29
tommisStskeeps: i don't have a clue about most of the things i do13:30
tommisso it's ok13:30
TofeThere a uxlaunch in systemd's configuration: is it where the UI begins ?13:32
Tofe(maybe there are docs on this architecture ?)13:32
Stskeepsyes, uxlaunch launches the ux13:33
Stskeepsnemo is very difficult to get going on a device as it requires quite high level 3d13:34
TofeAt that stage, I don't care about performance :)13:35
Stskeepsit won't work without 3d13:35
Stskeeps:P13:35
TofeWell, I'm trying to see if the install I have right now of plasma active does have hw 3d, which isn't impossible13:36
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vgradelbt, I'm trying a raw mic image in SDK and am getting, "Error <creator>: Command 'extlinux' is not available.". I see https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124 but I don't have the path to the file referenced14:11
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vgradeI do however have imager/raw.py:            required_packages += ["syslinux", "syslinux-extlinux"]14:14
vgradeis this the file to patch14:14
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lbtyes14:23
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vgradelbt, that patch does not work, I still get the error14:26
lbtI didn't really test it14:28
vgradelbt do I need to do anything else after changing that required_packages line?14:28
lbtjust noted it as a likely cause14:28
lbtessentially mic is adding new packages to those in the ,ks14:28
lbtthose packages will then have deps resolved14:29
lbtand that's probably what causes the issues14:29
Stskeepsvgrade: x86 raw or arm raw?14:30
vgradearm raw14:30
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Stskeepscurious14:30
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vgradeyes as cxl reported a good trimslice image earlier14:30
lbtgrep -R "extl" /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/mic14:30
vgradelbt in sdk14:30
lbtyes14:31
lbtSDK uses 2.614:31
lbtfood is ready ... bbiab14:31
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vgradelbt, http://www.pastie.org/357096514:33
vgradeStskeeps, armv6l14:33
vgradeStskeeps wonder if thats it, let me try armv7l14:34
vgradeno, same issue14:35
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Stskeepstimoph: ping14:58
vgradelbt, sudo zypper in syslinux-extlinux lets me continue15:00
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Stskeepsheh15:16
Stskeepslooking at what meego qa accomplished really shows the best of what meego could have become15:16
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Stskeepslbt: does QA tools belong under Mer:Tools ?15:24
Stskeepsi could imagine using those under sdk (testrunner, testplanner, etc)15:24
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timophStskeeps: pong15:44
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Stskeepstimoph: so enabling something for testrunner lite hostbased execution, you should install eat on it, and the test suite?15:53
Stskeepson the DUT that is15:53
timophyeah. eat contains the sshkeys and does some other configuration15:53
timophit has host and device parts15:53
Stskeepsok15:54
timophIt might need some updating for Mer15:54
Stskeepsa litle bit but not a lot15:54
Stskeepsand it's assumed that usb network is always up during testing?15:55
timophtr-lite should work though15:55
timophyep15:55
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timophthe automation scanned test packages from the device15:56
timophbasically looked package names ending with -tests, etc.15:56
Stskeepsok15:56
timophand test the xml for it from /usr/share/packagename-tests/tests.xml15:56
timophiirc15:56
timophif you're planning to use those with mer there's a very good thing now compared to meego-qa times15:57
Stskeepsi'm a little unsure on the testing harness as it seems some tests require root, others need to start x etc15:57
timophno need to maintain bc with maemo/harmattan test automation :p15:58
Stskeepshehe15:58
timophbut yeah. imo the system could use some simplification15:59
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timophless moving parts is better15:59
Stskeepsso i'm thinking we can make mer core plus hw adaptation plus eat/tests and testrunner running in sdk16:00
timophthe option to using tr-lite through ssh is to run in the dut itself16:00
Stskeepswith remote device on test16:00
timophsince it's a C it's should cause too much overhead16:01
timophn't16:01
Stskeeps:nod:16:02
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Stskeepsso we can start validating mer somehow16:03
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Kaadlajkmight be good idea to move that QA-tools stuff away from meego.gitorious.org at some point :-)16:04
timophyeah. most packages have some tests? or is there a need to write those?16:04
timophKaadlajk: yep :)16:05
* timoph checks if he still has superpowers there16:06
Stskeepstimoph: i'm trying to reuse mcts/mwts/blts as much as i can16:06
Kaadlajktimoph: you have16:06
timoph:)16:06
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timophStskeeps: there were some bugs againts those and I'm not sure if those got fixed in the public version16:08
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timophso need to check meego bugzilla for possible issues in them16:08
Stskeepsyeah16:08
Stskeepsthere is a bit of work in it, but probably worth16:09
Stskeepsit16:09
timophhuh. someone is still working on ots16:09
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Kaadlajktimoph: not since last year16:10
KaadlajkI made reboot feature to tr-lite on december16:11
Kaadlajkit was added to OTS also but no changes to public since then16:11
timophKaadlajk: Monday March 05 2012 <- last commits to ots16:11
Kaadlajki dont see it on the webui16:12
Kaadlajkah its to some clone16:12
timophyeah16:12
timophso someone is doing something with it16:12
Kaadlajkwell OTS is still in use just cant say where16:12
timoph:)16:13
KaadlajkI wonder if they use public clones maybe they could update the master also16:13
timophdunno if they have the rights to do it16:13
Kaadlajkthey dont16:13
timophbut yeah. If someone is maintaining it in the public I'd give the repo rights to them16:14
timophmin at least looks dead16:15
timoph(finally)16:16
KaadlajkStskeeps: I wrote my thesis about automated blts/mwts tests. I can probably help with those16:18
Kaadlajkat least list test cases we automated and look how much work they would need on the open side16:18
StskeepsKaadlajk: cool, in finnish or english?16:19
Kaadlajkenglish16:20
Stskeepswould i be able to get a copy?16:20
KaadlajkStskeeps: after I get someone at Nokia to read it16:21
Stskeepsalright16:23
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pirutI have run "mic create fs image.ks --arch arm"16:46
pirutbut I am not able to chroot into the resulting image16:47
pirutError <creator>: Failed to find kernel module under trimslice16:47
pirutany ideas how I could mount that fs image or a raw image16:48
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Stskeepspirut: try --arch armv7l instead17:20
pirutactually I used that17:21
Stskeepshmm ok17:23
Stskeepsrun me through exact commands and .ks file used?17:25
Stskeepsand i'll try to replicate in my own sdk17:25
pirutsudo mic create fs trimslice.ks -o . --arch armv7l17:26
pirutthe .ks is this one http://pastie.org/357004717:27
Stskeepsk, testing17:27
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* Stskeeps builds17:30
Stskeeps 615 packages to be installed, 177 packages gotten from cache, 438 packages to be downloaded17:33
Stskeepswow17:33
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pirutit is a fairly complete image :)17:37
* Stskeeps makes a mental note to use this as mic stress test17:37
pirut"sudo mic chroot trimslice-mmcblk0p.raw -s tester"17:40
pirut"Info: Saving image to directory tester"17:40
pirutError <creator>: Failed to chroot to trimslice-mmcblk0p.raw17:40
pirutit extracts the image to tester17:40
pirutbut I *think* the issue might be that it creates a directory called media/partition_117:41
pirutunder tester17:41
Stskeepswell, a raw image is one with partitions indeed17:42
pirutand this partition contains the rootfs17:42
pirutmaybe mic only supports .img format  ?17:42
Stskeepsthat'd be silly but not surprising..17:43
pirutbut it does not support livecd or liveusb for arm targets17:43
Stskeepsyeah, we don't do livecd/liveusb for arm anyway17:45
Stskeeps358/438..17:48
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Stskeepstimoph: would bring 'eat' up to date something you'd want to take on your plate? no need to worry about rest of tools18:06
vgradeStskeeps, http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi#Mer_on_RaspberryPi18:07
Stskeepscool18:07
Stskeepsthanks :)18:07
vgradeStskeeps, I won't be able to do anymore until midweek but your welcome to pickup18:08
Stskeepsvgrade: yeah, it's on my list for tomorrow18:08
Stskeepscalendar item and everything18:08
vgradeStskeeps, I note mouse and kb are not being picked up in X. /dev/input/mouse0 is there18:14
Stskeepsvgrade: do you have -evdev in there?18:14
Stskeepsxorg-x11-drv tat is18:14
Stskeepsthat18:14
timophStskeeps: I can take that. It is my mess anyway :)18:15
vgradeyea I have. udev issue not providein /dev/input/event*?18:15
Stskeepsvgrade: hmm18:16
Stskeepsvgrade: sounds worth to dump te udev database18:16
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Stskeepstimoph: cool, let me know if you need any hints on systemd enablement18:16
timophStskeeps: I will (and I know I'll need hints)18:17
timophgood excuse to learn systemd..18:18
Stskeeps:nod:18:18
Stskeepsthe good (and sometimes bad) thing about mer work is that you really gain some typically reserved for expensive linux specialist knowledge ;)18:19
timoph:)18:19
Stskeeps.. like how i'm learning about QA and automated testing now18:19
timophone of the main reasons for me being involved18:19
Stskeepsi wonder why they're not teaching QA at comp.sci actually18:19
Stskeepsexcept for basic test case stuff18:20
timophtrue. We also had only the very basics of QA18:20
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Stskeepspirut: ok, and what's your attempted next step afterwards? sudo mic chroot18:22
Stskeeps ?18:22
Stskeepsi have a fs dir18:22
timophI'll try to setup a test bed for that tomorrow. I'll prolly use a n900 for that18:22
* timoph googles "systemd for dummies"18:23
Stskeepsdevel:quality on webui-ci.tspre.org and repo.ci.merproject.org has testrunner and stuff like that too18:23
Stskeepsalready ran it in SDK18:23
pirutwith the fs dir, i tried "sudo mic chroot fs-dir"18:24
pirutwith raw image18:24
Stskeepsok, let's see18:24
pirutsudo mic chroot trimslice-mmcblk0p.raw -s tester18:24
Stskeepscarsten@ideapad:~/test-mic$ sudo mic chroot test18:24
StskeepsError <creator>: Failed to find kernel module under test18:24
Stskeepsyeah, that's for sure a bug18:24
timophStskeeps: cool18:24
Stskeepspirut: want the honor of filing a bug on bugs.merproject.org about this issue (MINT -> mic) or should i?18:25
pirutI can do that18:25
Stskeepsthanks18:25
Stskeepswe'll walk through it in triage tomorrow18:26
pirutthanks for verifying!! I was really not sure if I had setup the env correctly18:26
Stskeepswhich reminds me i should send an email out about that..18:27
* Stskeeps really needs to replace himself with a well-written shellscript..18:27
timophStskeeps.sh as a cronjob x)18:28
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Stskeepshello GeorgeH :)19:50
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GeorgeHHiya Stskeeps!20:36
Stskeepswelcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?20:37
GeorgeHSaw your channel on the freenode channel list, checked out your site, and liked what I saw :P20:37
Stskeepshehe, always a good start :)20:38
Stskeepsif you have any questions, don't hestitate to ask, else feel free to hang out here :)20:38
GeorgeHI'm interested in linux-in-car applications20:38
GeorgeHmy side project at work is something along those lines20:39
lbtGeorgeH: you're not alone20:39
GeorgeHthanks, will do20:39
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GeorgeHlbt, you too?20:39
lbtGeorgeH: there's a lot of interest in IVI and I want to track the requirements to make sure Mer meets them20:40
lbtI also have a personal interest from the old Empeg :)20:40
Stskeepsre IVI, http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00152.html thread is a good read on Mer and IVI20:40
GeorgeHheh; now that's old school20:40
Stskeeps(the entire thread)20:41
GeorgeHooh, thanks!20:41
lbtGeorgeH: oh yes ... but interestingly some of the guys involved in the original design/production are looking to put together a new version20:41
lbtand Stskeeps beat me to the thread :)20:41
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lbtGeorgeH: are you looking at more complete manufacturer level IVI or at something more after-market20:43
Sage_Stskeeps: legacy leftover I guess. I think it has some uxlaunch related hacks at some point20:43
StskeepsSage_: .. i think i've had too much coffee today, what did i ask?20:44
GeorgeHthe main thing I'm interested in is a UX layer20:44
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Sage_Stskeeps: uxlaunch dep on nokia-n900-configs20:45
Sage_err.. n950 configs20:45
GeorgeHmy company is at the R&D stage on this, so I've got free reign20:45
StskeepsSage_: ah20:45
GeorgeHwe're not planning on doing complete IVI; not yet at least20:45
GeorgeHno AV in the plans20:46
lbtare you free to outline the functional scope?20:46
StskeepsGeorgeH: at least it should be very easy getting started with UX layer stuff, we support even virtual machine development and putting in your own home screens etc20:47
Stskeeps(quite easily)20:47
GeorgeHlbt, essentially, yes20:48
lbtGeorgeH: great - I'd be really interested to hear about it20:48
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StskeepsGeorgeH: we also have homescreen toolkits centered around QML, so it's quite easy to do something shiny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuS00aA8QyM20:49
GeorgeHStskeeps:  wow, that's sweet!20:50
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GeorgeHlbt - right now, I'm doing R&D for future products to replace OEM radios20:51
GeorgeHthe idea is that the consumer can remove their OEM radio, add an aftermarket one, and have our product replicate any functionality that would otherwise be lost20:52
GeorgeHin most cars, that means handling door chimes, amp turn on, SYNC, etc. More recently, that has meant adding and/or driving displays.20:53
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GeorgeHcurrently, our highest end product is PIC32 based (80 MHz, 3.4" resistive touchscreen) - nothing to write home about20:54
lbtso is the magic in car-specific interfaces to access the signaling?20:55
GeorgeHyup. You need access to 1, sometimes 2x CAN bus at the minimum20:55
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GeorgeHsometimes a few hard digital lines, and, depending on the MFR, there are some different proprietary busses to deal with20:56
lbtOK20:57
lbtso I guess you're exploring the boundary of traditional embedded systems and looking to the longer term manageability of the sw stack20:58
GeorgeHthe platform we are currently working on is not going to last long - it's as far as we can go without using an OS (the older guys there are dead-afraid of using an OS, especially a non RTOS)20:58
GeorgeHprecisely20:58
lbtgood  :)   because I'd say that's an area where Mer is aiming to improve things20:59
lbtRTOS? is it deep enough to need that?21:00
GeorgeHsome of the functions we perform require very precise timing21:00
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GeorgeHI don't know what's got the guys all worked up, though - I'm just going to spec a TI MSP430 to generate interrupts21:01
lbt:)21:01
lbt(not that I recognise the device but I get what you mean)21:02
GeorgeHheh yeah, I don't think they'll be able to argue with a < $1 microcontroller21:02
GeorgeHMy target-hardware goal is roughly similar to this evaluation board: http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdsevm351721:04
GeorgeHany thoughts?21:04
Stskeepslooks sane, we have a nice armv7-a port21:05
* lbt lets Stskeeps look at that ... initial look says OK21:05
Stskeepsbe sure to verify their provided kernels exist at least at 2.6.32 or higher21:06
Stskeepsgraphics accelerator looks good too21:06
GeorgeHI believe their kernel is above 2.6.32; I'll make sure to verify that though. thanks21:07
lbtGeorgeH: we have some documentation on getting Mer up on a device http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step21:08
Stskeepswe've validated Mer quite extensively on omap3 as myself and others have been involved with MeeGo ARM on Nokia N900/N950/N921:09
dm8tbris that a sitara?21:10
* dm8tbr looks21:10
Stskeepsyeah, think so21:10
GeorgeHYep21:10
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Stskeepscomes with CAN too21:11
GeorgeHlbt, sweet! thank you!21:11
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Stskeepsi'm a little unsure of the linux kernel / userland support for that as i'm not into IVI but i'm sure there's people who know..21:11
dm8tbrGeorgeH: if you need to prototype cheap, look at the beaglebone, same SoC21:11
lbtGeorgeH: just yell with feedback on docs (or if you just need more info)21:11
GeorgeHI can't say I've seen it working, but from what I read, you access CAN the same way you use ethernet21:12
lbtI was wondering what middleware IVI sw exists in meego IVI - I'd like to see that moved to an IVI space on the c.obs21:13
lbtessentially a follow on action from that thread iirc21:13
GeorgeHdm8tbr: thanks; I considered buying one of those, but we already have the TI dev board for the chip ;)21:13
lbtGeorgeH: where are you based?21:13
GeorgeHNJ, USA21:13
dm8tbr*nod*21:13
Stskeepslbt: it wasn't terribly much from recollection21:13
lbtStskeeps: OK21:13
* Sage_ checks couple of package updates for mer21:13
Stskeepslbt: genivi compliance stuff like DLT and such21:14
lbtGeorgeH: Alison_Chaiken is on the west coast and I think is still into IVI too - also keep an eye open for vgrade21:14
dm8tbryeah, and the push for IVI based on linux is there21:15
dm8tbrI got some feedback too when talking about IVI and Android possibilities21:16
* Stskeeps ponders idly where all the ivi stuff on build.meego.com disappeared21:16
dm8tbrdoesn't genivi run their own OBS?21:17
Stskeepsthey do, but there used to be more ivi stuff21:17
Stskeepsthough i guess i might be remembering wrong21:17
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Sage_lbt: workers21:25
lbt*kick&21:26
Alison_ChaikenGeorgeH, I've been busy on the #linuxice channel, which is basically all CAN all the time.21:26
GeorgeH./join  #linuxice ;)21:26
GeorgeHthanks :)21:27
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GeorgeHAlison_Chaiken: Website dead?21:28
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Alison_ChaikenGeorgeH, which website do you speak of?   I'm in the middle of migrating our wiki.   Old one is at http://nobdy.wikia.com/wiki/Nobdy_Wiki21:31
GeorgeHcool. The #linuxice topic points to linuxice.com, which appears to be parked21:31
Alison_ChaikenNew one is at http://wiki.openice.org/index.php?title=Nobdy21:32
Alison_ChaikenHas newer screenshot, etc. but only half content so far.21:32
Alison_ChaikenForget linuxice.com.    I should tell trip0 to change that.21:32
Alison_ChaikenNo one on the channel reads the message.21:32
Alison_ChaikenThe other wiki I've been updating today.21:33
GeorgeHaah, openice. heh, curious that I came across your site a few days ago while checking out mp3car for modding inspiration21:33
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StskeepsSage_: CLooG-PPL is a library to generate code for scanning Z-polyhedra. In other words, it finds code that reaches each integral point of one or more parameterized polyhedra.21:36
Stskeepsif you don't understand that, i don't blame you..21:36
Stskeeps:P21:36
Stskeepsbut you're right, i'm a little hazy on that topic too21:37
Sage_Well I'm abit confused as the package name is cloog but it provides only cloog-ppl21:38
lbtI'm pretty sure it's a fancy name for hidden line removal :)21:39
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lbtie don't render things you won't see21:39
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vgradeStskeeps, CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV sorted the Pi mouse and kb. Another setting for http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide23:27
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jboshi I currently try to get automatic screen updates on n95023:44
jbosI ran into /usr/sbin/fb_update_mode23:44
jboswhen doing "auto" the device basically crash23:45
jbosecho 1 > /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/display0/update_mode23:48
jbosends in a write error23:48
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