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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: sry, been quite busy latetly :/ | 00:11 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: wazzup with udev? | 00:11 |
| Sage_ | ah, rebase... | 00:12 |
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| Sage_ | funny :P | 00:16 |
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| * Sage_ ponders what is the proper way to rebase this kind of things | 00:34 | |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: we need guide for this :D | 00:37 |
| Sage_ | managed to duplicate the request with merge :P | 00:38 |
| Sage_ | took my old git tree with the fetch line from review. Then git pull mer-master the changes and fixed conflicts and pushed | 00:38 |
| Sage_ | now there is two things in review :P | 00:39 |
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| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: hi, nice to see you:) | 03:13 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Hey, sonach. Which TZ are you in? | 03:19 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I haven't done too much with Mer yet, alas. | 03:19 |
| sonach | my local time is 11:19 now, | 03:20 |
| Alison_Chaiken | The project I work on just had a code release, and I am the build/release engineer. | 03:20 |
| Alison_Chaiken | So once my packages are up, back to the Mer. | 03:20 |
| Alison_Chaiken | 11:19 AM I take it? | 03:20 |
| sonach | yes, 11:19 AM, | 03:21 |
| Alison_Chaiken | It's 19:20 here, although we're about to set clocks ahead tonight. | 03:21 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Shenzen? | 03:21 |
| sonach | Beijing, | 03:21 |
| Alison_Chaiken | The startup I worked with had a really smart team in Shenzen. I was supposed to visit them and have a code sprint, but they ran out of money and didn't pay them, so no dice. | 03:22 |
| Alison_Chaiken | For new contract, I may get to attend Computex though. | 03:22 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I guess Taipei is 1000 miles from Beijing though, huh? | 03:22 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Intel has a big team in Beijing, I know. | 03:23 |
| Alison_Chaiken | That virtualization guy Haitao Feng is there. | 03:23 |
| sonach | hmm, Intel's meego team is turning to Tizen. We just had a disscussion of Intel's toolchain maintainer several weeks ago. But we don't know Haitao Feng... | 03:24 |
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| sonach | The distance from Tappei to Beijing is about 2000 kilometers, | 03:25 |
| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: Just as you have said, you work are releated to Mer in some way? | 03:27 |
| Alison_Chaiken | My work is related to Tizen . . . but I have one project assigned by businessperson who doesn't know the difference, so I'll try with Mer. | 03:27 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I submitted an abstract to Tizen Conf comparing Mer to Tizen and other platforms for IVI. | 03:28 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'm going to install Mer on an Archos tablet, once I get my packages built. | 03:28 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Hopefully that won't take past tomorrow afternoon. | 03:29 |
| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: that's cool! Where can I get your abstract submitted to Tizen Conf? or can you send it to me? | 03:33 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'll email it to you. No telling whether they will accept it or not, of course. | 03:34 |
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| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: Thank you! I heard from Intel Beijing that they are evaluting the IVI solution to choose from MeeGo and Tizen. | 03:35 |
| sonach | Since MeeGo IVI is good, so Intel is hesitating whether to turn to Tizen for IVI. | 03:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Interesting. I would think they wouldn't have a choice! | 03:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I just heard VW is going to ship a Maemo car. | 03:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'm sure that MeeGo cars are still coming. | 03:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I know Hawtai and Geely are Moblin! | 03:36 |
| sonach | Yes. Maybe you are an expert of IVI? | 03:37 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'm trying! | 03:37 |
| Alison_Chaiken | The combination of law and technology is very interesting. | 03:38 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Should be an exciting couple of years in IVI. | 03:38 |
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| sonach | Alison_Chaiken: We will be evaluting the VM solution on Mer. Maybe we will ask you some related questions:) | 03:47 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Sure, although as I said, not a word from me about former employer! | 03:50 |
| sonach | Yes, I can understand this:) | 03:52 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Package-building VM is restored and tested and ready to build: time for dinner. | 03:55 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:40 |
| Macer | watching children of dune | 07:42 |
| Macer | there is supposed to be a new movie in 2014 | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | mm, good miniseries | 07:43 |
| Macer | heh. i thought it was awful in comparison to the books | 07:44 |
| Macer | they changed quite a bit | 07:44 |
| Macer | the 2000 dune series was pretty awesome tho | 07:44 |
| Macer | at the very least much closer to the novel than children of dun which was somewhat of an abortion of dune messiah and children of dune | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | it's always hard to make those books into movies | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | though i wouldn't mind seeing the books his son & kevin j anderson made into movies | 07:47 |
| Macer | some of them maybe.. it would make for a great tv series if you strung them all together in order | 07:51 |
| Macer | the butlerian jihad series is pretty good | 07:52 |
| Macer | once you get past children of dune it gets a little odd though | 07:53 |
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| Macer | the books about the various houses were interesting | 07:54 |
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| Termana | morning | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | morn Termana | 08:27 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: did you look the reviews with udev yet? | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: yes, even the rebase fails.. could i ask you to simply re-do the patch, clone from udev, just slap your changes on top and submit it? | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | then we are ready for pre-release content tomorrow | 09:34 |
| Sage_ | ok, I can do that again | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | we'll end with a pretty nice core release if so, http://pastie.org/3569619 | 09:36 |
| Sage_ | I'll fix the time as well so we could get that in | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:37 |
| Sage_ | my own typo :) | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | tomorrow we should look at enabling our own mesa for intel chips as well | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | so we don't regress in that area now that i've pulled intel chipset gpu out of mesa | 09:39 |
| Sage_ | was there any other small change that failed? | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | like, that wasn't merged yet? | 09:43 |
| Sage_ | uh, alsa-utils | 09:43 |
| Sage_ | it might cause problems if we don't update that with alsa-libs | 09:43 |
| Sage_ | it failed because it requires the newer alsa-lib | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so it depended on alsa-libs? | 09:43 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 09:43 |
| Sage_ | rebuild should be quite fast | 09:43 |
| Sage_ | we don't have any deps on that AFAIK | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | i will re-check that | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | alsa-utils sent for re-check | 09:45 |
| Sage_ | udev resubmitted | 09:45 |
| Sage_ | and timed. | 09:45 |
| Sage_ | err.. time | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 09:47 |
| Sage_ | also filed https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217 :) | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | right | 09:49 |
| Sage_ | just so that we remember to do that | 09:49 |
| Sage_ | haven't had much similar cases in the past | 09:49 |
| * Stskeeps ponders what to do today | 09:51 | |
| Stskeeps | need to find something else to do than sb2-obs and llvmpipe, or i'll go crazy :P | 09:52 |
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| _av500_ | Stskeeps: go outside, take a walk | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: that thought has crossed my mind | 10:22 |
| _av500_ | but only for a split second :) | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | decided it was time to mer-ify my HTPC | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | cxl000: ping, got a .ks for trimslice anywhere? | 11:05 |
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| cxl000 | You could try this http://pastie.org/3570047 its arm7l with razorqt. I've just used the SDK mic to build an image. | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | pirut: ^ | 11:16 |
| pirut | thanks ! | 11:16 |
| cxl000 | this is build with razor QT desktop | 11:18 |
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| djszapi | morning, what am I doing wrong with my yaml/spec file and specify in here: http://paste.kde.org/437246/ | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | you're trying to specify a spec | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | you should specify a yaml | 11:22 |
| vgrade | morn | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | morn vgrade | 11:22 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: wow, thanks. | 11:22 |
| cxl000 | pirut looks like the kernel being pulled in that image in is broken so grab this one http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/cxl000:/trimslice:/Mer:/testing/Mer_Core_armv7l/armv7l/kernel-adaptation-trimslice-2.6.38.3%7ets1.03-50.2.Mer.armv7l.rpm | 11:26 |
| pirut | thanks cxl000, I will give that a try | 11:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: why does nokia-n950-configs dep on uxlaunch? | 12:05 |
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| pirut | cxl000: what should I use as the option to --mainrepo ? | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | pirut: get http://wiki.merproject.org/Platform_SDK | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | that's much saner to work with | 12:12 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, I get a not found error from that url | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | pirut: get http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 12:12 |
| Venemo_N950 | ah! | 12:13 |
| Venemo_N950 | :) | 12:13 |
| pirut | Thanks | 12:13 |
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| lbt | morning (kinda) all | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity, how many of you here would be interested in helping run QA test sets on their various Mer devices? | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | may be manual work ;) | 12:42 |
| * lbt has some jogglers | 12:45 | |
| Stskeeps | ah good, the pizza portal decided to work again for my favourite pizza place.. | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | was getting a tiny bit irate :P | 12:52 |
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| lbt | MerSDK david:~ > sudo zypper search qemu ..... No packages found. | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | yes, zypper search is broken | 13:02 |
| lbt | OK - thought that was sorted | 13:02 |
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| tommis | hai | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | hai | 13:07 |
| tommis | could someone please assist me little installing mer on n810 | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | did you read the adaptation page? | 13:08 |
| tommis | yes | 13:08 |
| tommis | shit was confusing | 13:08 |
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| Stskeeps | then i'm not sure it's a good thing to try out :P | 13:18 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, count me in for testing | 13:21 |
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| Tofe | hi ! | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | hi hi | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | note for the logs: mcts-qtgfx-tests really really need updating | 13:28 |
| Tofe | I failed yesterday to set up Nemo on my tablet; which is quite frustrating, because plasma active works well. So what I'm wondering is: where does Mer end, and where does the UI begin ? isn't it right that it should be possible to have two UI on the same Mer base ? | 13:29 |
| tommis | Stskeeps: i don't have a clue about most of the things i do | 13:30 |
| tommis | so it's ok | 13:30 |
| Tofe | There a uxlaunch in systemd's configuration: is it where the UI begins ? | 13:32 |
| Tofe | (maybe there are docs on this architecture ?) | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | yes, uxlaunch launches the ux | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | nemo is very difficult to get going on a device as it requires quite high level 3d | 13:34 |
| Tofe | At that stage, I don't care about performance :) | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | it won't work without 3d | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:35 |
| Tofe | Well, I'm trying to see if the install I have right now of plasma active does have hw 3d, which isn't impossible | 13:36 |
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| vgrade | lbt, I'm trying a raw mic image in SDK and am getting, "Error <creator>: Command 'extlinux' is not available.". I see https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124 but I don't have the path to the file referenced | 14:11 |
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| vgrade | I do however have imager/raw.py: required_packages += ["syslinux", "syslinux-extlinux"] | 14:14 |
| vgrade | is this the file to patch | 14:14 |
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| lbt | yes | 14:23 |
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| vgrade | lbt, that patch does not work, I still get the error | 14:26 |
| lbt | I didn't really test it | 14:28 |
| vgrade | lbt do I need to do anything else after changing that required_packages line? | 14:28 |
| lbt | just noted it as a likely cause | 14:28 |
| lbt | essentially mic is adding new packages to those in the ,ks | 14:28 |
| lbt | those packages will then have deps resolved | 14:29 |
| lbt | and that's probably what causes the issues | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: x86 raw or arm raw? | 14:30 |
| vgrade | arm raw | 14:30 |
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| Stskeeps | curious | 14:30 |
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| vgrade | yes as cxl reported a good trimslice image earlier | 14:30 |
| lbt | grep -R "extl" /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/mic | 14:30 |
| vgrade | lbt in sdk | 14:30 |
| lbt | yes | 14:31 |
| lbt | SDK uses 2.6 | 14:31 |
| lbt | food is ready ... bbiab | 14:31 |
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| vgrade | lbt, http://www.pastie.org/3570965 | 14:33 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, armv6l | 14:33 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps wonder if thats it, let me try armv7l | 14:34 |
| vgrade | no, same issue | 14:35 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: ping | 14:58 |
| vgrade | lbt, sudo zypper in syslinux-extlinux lets me continue | 15:00 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | looking at what meego qa accomplished really shows the best of what meego could have become | 15:16 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: does QA tools belong under Mer:Tools ? | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | i could imagine using those under sdk (testrunner, testplanner, etc) | 15:24 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: pong | 15:44 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: so enabling something for testrunner lite hostbased execution, you should install eat on it, and the test suite? | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | on the DUT that is | 15:53 |
| timoph | yeah. eat contains the sshkeys and does some other configuration | 15:53 |
| timoph | it has host and device parts | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:54 |
| timoph | It might need some updating for Mer | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | a litle bit but not a lot | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | and it's assumed that usb network is always up during testing? | 15:55 |
| timoph | tr-lite should work though | 15:55 |
| timoph | yep | 15:55 |
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| timoph | the automation scanned test packages from the device | 15:56 |
| timoph | basically looked package names ending with -tests, etc. | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:56 |
| timoph | and test the xml for it from /usr/share/packagename-tests/tests.xml | 15:56 |
| timoph | iirc | 15:56 |
| timoph | if you're planning to use those with mer there's a very good thing now compared to meego-qa times | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a little unsure on the testing harness as it seems some tests require root, others need to start x etc | 15:57 |
| timoph | no need to maintain bc with maemo/harmattan test automation :p | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:58 |
| timoph | but yeah. imo the system could use some simplification | 15:59 |
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| timoph | less moving parts is better | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | so i'm thinking we can make mer core plus hw adaptation plus eat/tests and testrunner running in sdk | 16:00 |
| timoph | the option to using tr-lite through ssh is to run in the dut itself | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | with remote device on test | 16:00 |
| timoph | since it's a C it's should cause too much overhead | 16:01 |
| timoph | n't | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:02 |
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| Stskeeps | so we can start validating mer somehow | 16:03 |
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| Kaadlajk | might be good idea to move that QA-tools stuff away from meego.gitorious.org at some point :-) | 16:04 |
| timoph | yeah. most packages have some tests? or is there a need to write those? | 16:04 |
| timoph | Kaadlajk: yep :) | 16:05 |
| * timoph checks if he still has superpowers there | 16:06 | |
| Stskeeps | timoph: i'm trying to reuse mcts/mwts/blts as much as i can | 16:06 |
| Kaadlajk | timoph: you have | 16:06 |
| timoph | :) | 16:06 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: there were some bugs againts those and I'm not sure if those got fixed in the public version | 16:08 |
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| timoph | so need to check meego bugzilla for possible issues in them | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | there is a bit of work in it, but probably worth | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | it | 16:09 |
| timoph | huh. someone is still working on ots | 16:09 |
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| Kaadlajk | timoph: not since last year | 16:10 |
| Kaadlajk | I made reboot feature to tr-lite on december | 16:11 |
| Kaadlajk | it was added to OTS also but no changes to public since then | 16:11 |
| timoph | Kaadlajk: Monday March 05 2012 <- last commits to ots | 16:11 |
| Kaadlajk | i dont see it on the webui | 16:12 |
| Kaadlajk | ah its to some clone | 16:12 |
| timoph | yeah | 16:12 |
| timoph | so someone is doing something with it | 16:12 |
| Kaadlajk | well OTS is still in use just cant say where | 16:12 |
| timoph | :) | 16:13 |
| Kaadlajk | I wonder if they use public clones maybe they could update the master also | 16:13 |
| timoph | dunno if they have the rights to do it | 16:13 |
| Kaadlajk | they dont | 16:13 |
| timoph | but yeah. If someone is maintaining it in the public I'd give the repo rights to them | 16:14 |
| timoph | min at least looks dead | 16:15 |
| timoph | (finally) | 16:16 |
| Kaadlajk | Stskeeps: I wrote my thesis about automated blts/mwts tests. I can probably help with those | 16:18 |
| Kaadlajk | at least list test cases we automated and look how much work they would need on the open side | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | Kaadlajk: cool, in finnish or english? | 16:19 |
| Kaadlajk | english | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | would i be able to get a copy? | 16:20 |
| Kaadlajk | Stskeeps: after I get someone at Nokia to read it | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 16:23 |
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| pirut | I have run "mic create fs image.ks --arch arm" | 16:46 |
| pirut | but I am not able to chroot into the resulting image | 16:47 |
| pirut | Error <creator>: Failed to find kernel module under trimslice | 16:47 |
| pirut | any ideas how I could mount that fs image or a raw image | 16:48 |
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| Stskeeps | pirut: try --arch armv7l instead | 17:20 |
| pirut | actually I used that | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | hmm ok | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | run me through exact commands and .ks file used? | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | and i'll try to replicate in my own sdk | 17:25 |
| pirut | sudo mic create fs trimslice.ks -o . --arch armv7l | 17:26 |
| pirut | the .ks is this one http://pastie.org/3570047 | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | k, testing | 17:27 |
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| * Stskeeps builds | 17:30 | |
| Stskeeps | 615 packages to be installed, 177 packages gotten from cache, 438 packages to be downloaded | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | wow | 17:33 |
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| pirut | it is a fairly complete image :) | 17:37 |
| * Stskeeps makes a mental note to use this as mic stress test | 17:37 | |
| pirut | "sudo mic chroot trimslice-mmcblk0p.raw -s tester" | 17:40 |
| pirut | "Info: Saving image to directory tester" | 17:40 |
| pirut | Error <creator>: Failed to chroot to trimslice-mmcblk0p.raw | 17:40 |
| pirut | it extracts the image to tester | 17:40 |
| pirut | but I *think* the issue might be that it creates a directory called media/partition_1 | 17:41 |
| pirut | under tester | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | well, a raw image is one with partitions indeed | 17:42 |
| pirut | and this partition contains the rootfs | 17:42 |
| pirut | maybe mic only supports .img format ? | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be silly but not surprising.. | 17:43 |
| pirut | but it does not support livecd or liveusb for arm targets | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we don't do livecd/liveusb for arm anyway | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | 358/438.. | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: would bring 'eat' up to date something you'd want to take on your plate? no need to worry about rest of tools | 18:06 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi#Mer_on_RaspberryPi | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | thanks :) | 18:07 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, I won't be able to do anymore until midweek but your welcome to pickup | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: yeah, it's on my list for tomorrow | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | calendar item and everything | 18:08 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, I note mouse and kb are not being picked up in X. /dev/input/mouse0 is there | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: do you have -evdev in there? | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | xorg-x11-drv tat is | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | that | 18:14 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: I can take that. It is my mess anyway :) | 18:15 |
| vgrade | yea I have. udev issue not providein /dev/input/event*? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: hmm | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: sounds worth to dump te udev database | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: cool, let me know if you need any hints on systemd enablement | 18:16 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: I will (and I know I'll need hints) | 18:17 |
| timoph | good excuse to learn systemd.. | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | the good (and sometimes bad) thing about mer work is that you really gain some typically reserved for expensive linux specialist knowledge ;) | 18:19 |
| timoph | :) | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | .. like how i'm learning about QA and automated testing now | 18:19 |
| timoph | one of the main reasons for me being involved | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder why they're not teaching QA at comp.sci actually | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | except for basic test case stuff | 18:20 |
| timoph | true. We also had only the very basics of QA | 18:20 |
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| Stskeeps | pirut: ok, and what's your attempted next step afterwards? sudo mic chroot | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | i have a fs dir | 18:22 |
| timoph | I'll try to setup a test bed for that tomorrow. I'll prolly use a n900 for that | 18:22 |
| * timoph googles "systemd for dummies" | 18:23 | |
| Stskeeps | devel:quality on webui-ci.tspre.org and repo.ci.merproject.org has testrunner and stuff like that too | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | already ran it in SDK | 18:23 |
| pirut | with the fs dir, i tried "sudo mic chroot fs-dir" | 18:24 |
| pirut | with raw image | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok, let's see | 18:24 |
| pirut | sudo mic chroot trimslice-mmcblk0p.raw -s tester | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | carsten@ideapad:~/test-mic$ sudo mic chroot test | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | Error <creator>: Failed to find kernel module under test | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's for sure a bug | 18:24 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: cool | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | pirut: want the honor of filing a bug on bugs.merproject.org about this issue (MINT -> mic) or should i? | 18:25 |
| pirut | I can do that | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | we'll walk through it in triage tomorrow | 18:26 |
| pirut | thanks for verifying!! I was really not sure if I had setup the env correctly | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | which reminds me i should send an email out about that.. | 18:27 |
| * Stskeeps really needs to replace himself with a well-written shellscript.. | 18:27 | |
| timoph | Stskeeps.sh as a cronjob x) | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | hello GeorgeH :) | 19:50 |
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| GeorgeH | Hiya Stskeeps! | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 20:37 |
| GeorgeH | Saw your channel on the freenode channel list, checked out your site, and liked what I saw :P | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, always a good start :) | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | if you have any questions, don't hestitate to ask, else feel free to hang out here :) | 20:38 |
| GeorgeH | I'm interested in linux-in-car applications | 20:38 |
| GeorgeH | my side project at work is something along those lines | 20:39 |
| lbt | GeorgeH: you're not alone | 20:39 |
| GeorgeH | thanks, will do | 20:39 |
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| GeorgeH | lbt, you too? | 20:39 |
| lbt | GeorgeH: there's a lot of interest in IVI and I want to track the requirements to make sure Mer meets them | 20:40 |
| lbt | I also have a personal interest from the old Empeg :) | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | re IVI, http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00152.html thread is a good read on Mer and IVI | 20:40 |
| GeorgeH | heh; now that's old school | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | (the entire thread) | 20:41 |
| GeorgeH | ooh, thanks! | 20:41 |
| lbt | GeorgeH: oh yes ... but interestingly some of the guys involved in the original design/production are looking to put together a new version | 20:41 |
| lbt | and Stskeeps beat me to the thread :) | 20:41 |
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| lbt | GeorgeH: are you looking at more complete manufacturer level IVI or at something more after-market | 20:43 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: legacy leftover I guess. I think it has some uxlaunch related hacks at some point | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: .. i think i've had too much coffee today, what did i ask? | 20:44 |
| GeorgeH | the main thing I'm interested in is a UX layer | 20:44 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: uxlaunch dep on nokia-n900-configs | 20:45 |
| Sage_ | err.. n950 configs | 20:45 |
| GeorgeH | my company is at the R&D stage on this, so I've got free reign | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: ah | 20:45 |
| GeorgeH | we're not planning on doing complete IVI; not yet at least | 20:45 |
| GeorgeH | no AV in the plans | 20:46 |
| lbt | are you free to outline the functional scope? | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | GeorgeH: at least it should be very easy getting started with UX layer stuff, we support even virtual machine development and putting in your own home screens etc | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | (quite easily) | 20:47 |
| GeorgeH | lbt, essentially, yes | 20:48 |
| lbt | GeorgeH: great - I'd be really interested to hear about it | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | GeorgeH: we also have homescreen toolkits centered around QML, so it's quite easy to do something shiny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuS00aA8QyM | 20:49 |
| GeorgeH | Stskeeps: wow, that's sweet! | 20:50 |
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| GeorgeH | lbt - right now, I'm doing R&D for future products to replace OEM radios | 20:51 |
| GeorgeH | the idea is that the consumer can remove their OEM radio, add an aftermarket one, and have our product replicate any functionality that would otherwise be lost | 20:52 |
| GeorgeH | in most cars, that means handling door chimes, amp turn on, SYNC, etc. More recently, that has meant adding and/or driving displays. | 20:53 |
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| GeorgeH | currently, our highest end product is PIC32 based (80 MHz, 3.4" resistive touchscreen) - nothing to write home about | 20:54 |
| lbt | so is the magic in car-specific interfaces to access the signaling? | 20:55 |
| GeorgeH | yup. You need access to 1, sometimes 2x CAN bus at the minimum | 20:55 |
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| GeorgeH | sometimes a few hard digital lines, and, depending on the MFR, there are some different proprietary busses to deal with | 20:56 |
| lbt | OK | 20:57 |
| lbt | so I guess you're exploring the boundary of traditional embedded systems and looking to the longer term manageability of the sw stack | 20:58 |
| GeorgeH | the platform we are currently working on is not going to last long - it's as far as we can go without using an OS (the older guys there are dead-afraid of using an OS, especially a non RTOS) | 20:58 |
| GeorgeH | precisely | 20:58 |
| lbt | good :) because I'd say that's an area where Mer is aiming to improve things | 20:59 |
| lbt | RTOS? is it deep enough to need that? | 21:00 |
| GeorgeH | some of the functions we perform require very precise timing | 21:00 |
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| GeorgeH | I don't know what's got the guys all worked up, though - I'm just going to spec a TI MSP430 to generate interrupts | 21:01 |
| lbt | :) | 21:01 |
| lbt | (not that I recognise the device but I get what you mean) | 21:02 |
| GeorgeH | heh yeah, I don't think they'll be able to argue with a < $1 microcontroller | 21:02 |
| GeorgeH | My target-hardware goal is roughly similar to this evaluation board: http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdsevm3517 | 21:04 |
| GeorgeH | any thoughts? | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | looks sane, we have a nice armv7-a port | 21:05 |
| * lbt lets Stskeeps look at that ... initial look says OK | 21:05 | |
| Stskeeps | be sure to verify their provided kernels exist at least at 2.6.32 or higher | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | graphics accelerator looks good too | 21:06 |
| GeorgeH | I believe their kernel is above 2.6.32; I'll make sure to verify that though. thanks | 21:07 |
| lbt | GeorgeH: we have some documentation on getting Mer up on a device http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | we've validated Mer quite extensively on omap3 as myself and others have been involved with MeeGo ARM on Nokia N900/N950/N9 | 21:09 |
| dm8tbr | is that a sitara? | 21:10 |
| * dm8tbr looks | 21:10 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah, think so | 21:10 |
| GeorgeH | Yep | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | comes with CAN too | 21:11 |
| GeorgeH | lbt, sweet! thank you! | 21:11 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm a little unsure of the linux kernel / userland support for that as i'm not into IVI but i'm sure there's people who know.. | 21:11 |
| dm8tbr | GeorgeH: if you need to prototype cheap, look at the beaglebone, same SoC | 21:11 |
| lbt | GeorgeH: just yell with feedback on docs (or if you just need more info) | 21:11 |
| GeorgeH | I can't say I've seen it working, but from what I read, you access CAN the same way you use ethernet | 21:12 |
| lbt | I was wondering what middleware IVI sw exists in meego IVI - I'd like to see that moved to an IVI space on the c.obs | 21:13 |
| lbt | essentially a follow on action from that thread iirc | 21:13 |
| GeorgeH | dm8tbr: thanks; I considered buying one of those, but we already have the TI dev board for the chip ;) | 21:13 |
| lbt | GeorgeH: where are you based? | 21:13 |
| GeorgeH | NJ, USA | 21:13 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: it wasn't terribly much from recollection | 21:13 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK | 21:13 |
| * Sage_ checks couple of package updates for mer | 21:13 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: genivi compliance stuff like DLT and such | 21:14 |
| lbt | GeorgeH: Alison_Chaiken is on the west coast and I think is still into IVI too - also keep an eye open for vgrade | 21:14 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, and the push for IVI based on linux is there | 21:15 |
| dm8tbr | I got some feedback too when talking about IVI and Android possibilities | 21:16 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly where all the ivi stuff on build.meego.com disappeared | 21:16 | |
| dm8tbr | doesn't genivi run their own OBS? | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | they do, but there used to be more ivi stuff | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | though i guess i might be remembering wrong | 21:17 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: workers | 21:25 |
| lbt | *kick& | 21:26 |
| Alison_Chaiken | GeorgeH, I've been busy on the #linuxice channel, which is basically all CAN all the time. | 21:26 |
| GeorgeH | ./join #linuxice ;) | 21:26 |
| GeorgeH | thanks :) | 21:27 |
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| GeorgeH | Alison_Chaiken: Website dead? | 21:28 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | GeorgeH, which website do you speak of? I'm in the middle of migrating our wiki. Old one is at http://nobdy.wikia.com/wiki/Nobdy_Wiki | 21:31 |
| GeorgeH | cool. The #linuxice topic points to linuxice.com, which appears to be parked | 21:31 |
| Alison_Chaiken | New one is at http://wiki.openice.org/index.php?title=Nobdy | 21:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Has newer screenshot, etc. but only half content so far. | 21:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Forget linuxice.com. I should tell trip0 to change that. | 21:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | No one on the channel reads the message. | 21:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | The other wiki I've been updating today. | 21:33 |
| GeorgeH | aah, openice. heh, curious that I came across your site a few days ago while checking out mp3car for modding inspiration | 21:33 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: CLooG-PPL is a library to generate code for scanning Z-polyhedra. In other words, it finds code that reaches each integral point of one or more parameterized polyhedra. | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | if you don't understand that, i don't blame you.. | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | but you're right, i'm a little hazy on that topic too | 21:37 |
| Sage_ | Well I'm abit confused as the package name is cloog but it provides only cloog-ppl | 21:38 |
| lbt | I'm pretty sure it's a fancy name for hidden line removal :) | 21:39 |
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| lbt | ie don't render things you won't see | 21:39 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV sorted the Pi mouse and kb. Another setting for http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide | 23:27 |
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| jbos | hi I currently try to get automatic screen updates on n950 | 23:44 |
| jbos | I ran into /usr/sbin/fb_update_mode | 23:44 |
| jbos | when doing "auto" the device basically crash | 23:45 |
| jbos | echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/display0/update_mode | 23:48 |
| jbos | ends in a write error | 23:48 |
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