Saturday, 2012-03-10

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TofeHello !07:18
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TofeI would have some questions about Mer's boot process, in order to debug a problem07:19
dm8tbrjust ask...07:19
Tofe(ouch, it's morning...)07:19
StskeepsTofe: sure, shoot07:20
Tofewell, I've booted Mer/Plasma on my Iconia Tab A500, to begin with07:20
Stskeepsi will warn you, i'm before my coffee so answers may be delayed ;)07:20
TofeIt's a tegra2 tablet, in case you don't know it yet07:20
Stskeepsyeah, you said07:20
Tofeit's booting quite fine, until plasma active crashes07:21
Tofethe reason isn't clear07:21
Tofeand apart from the X log, I didn't find much07:21
Stskeepsyou can check .xsession-errors in /home/* (not sure what user name they use)07:22
Tofethey use "mer", it seems07:23
Tofeseemed to be a good idea, I've got lots of stuff to look at :)07:23
Stskeepsmy appreciation for pet shop boys just increased, after seeing they had a C64 on stage..
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Tofelooks like a mutex_unlock has failed in pulsecore, this may have made plasma-device crash. mmh. Are there more than one virtual tty ? Is it mostly as usual for this stuff ?07:34
StskeepsTofe: the pulsecore thing is curious07:34
StskeepsTofe: as your device is arm multicore07:35
TofeAgreed. But I did curious things too on my side: I've put a Linux 2.6.36 kernel, and the mer rootfs seemed to be compiled with 2.6.3807:35
Stskeepsshouldn't matter too much07:36
Stskeepscan you show me the mutex_unlock error_07:36
TofeThat's also what I guessed07:36
Tofesure, one moment07:36
TofeAssertion 'pthread_mutex_unlock(&m->mutex) == 0' failed at pulsecore/mutex-posix.c:108, function pa_mutex_unlock(). Aborting.07:37
Stskeepsdid you build your own kernel by chance?07:37
Tofenope, I tried to avoid that, as I don't know yet how to cross-compile a kernel07:38
Stskeepsit's fairly easy really, do you know how to build a kernel in general?07:38
Stskeepsie, with 'make', etc07:38
Tofeoh, yes, sure07:39
Stskeepsi get a cross compiler targetting ARM and do make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/path/to/cross-compiler/arm-somethingsomething- zImage07:39
Stskeeps(but not "somethingsomething-gcc)07:40
Tofeoh, wait, I rebooted the thing, and now it goes further07:40
TofeYes ! The Desktop is showing up :)07:41
Tofemaybe the crash was cause by something else, like asynchronous loading too slow (I'm on a poor Class4 SD card :p )07:41
Tofeokay, well, that's great. I'll see what works/doesn't work.07:42
Stskeepscould you file the pthread mutex thing on ?07:42
Stskeepsand mention it's ARM SMP07:42
Tofesure. Do you think it will help, given this very particular context ? (first boot of mer, kernel 2.6.36...)07:44
Tofe:) ok, then07:44
timophcrash is a crash07:44
Stskeepsi've seen it in meego before but i needed confirmation it happens in mer before07:44
timophgood morning btw07:44
Stskeepsmorn timoph o/07:44
Tofearg, there's no glxinfo or glxgears. How do I know if there is already HW accel ?07:46
StskeepsTofe: GLX is for X86 opengl07:46
timophdid lbt build the new sdk image?07:46
Stskeepswe normally use mer-gfx-tests package07:46
TofeOk, I'll read some docs before asking more :)07:46
* Stskeeps is planning on llvmpipe work and sb2 today07:47
timophI'm planning to check the latest sdk and start experimenting with qtcreator07:48
timophfirst need to clean the flat and wash a pile of dirty clothes :/07:48
StskeepsSage_: are you around today? i would really like you to fix up udev quickly if possible07:49
timophlittle sacrifices for a happy releationship :)07:49
Stskeepstimoph: i've seemingily been encoded instructions a bit too well since the place doesn't look like a nuclear wasteland while being on my own for 24 hours.. :P07:49
* timoph goes on a cleaning frenzy. bbl07:53
Stskeepsenjoy ;)07:54
zuhStskeeps: Just a trail of breadcrumbs and bewerage between computer and the fridge? ;)07:54
Stskeepszuh: good point, i can optimize the vacuuming ;)07:54
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vgradeTofe, pulse crash is a known issue on tegra 2,,
vgradeStskeeps, it is still present in Mer08:14
Stskeepsvgrade: feel like trying out a new glibc to see if it still appears?08:14
vgradeStskeeps, yes I can08:15
Stskeepsok, moment, have to publish that repo..08:15
vgradeStskeeps, we discussed it at the sprint also.  Do we have a recent pulseaudio in Mer08:16
Stskeepsvgrade: i think we should have it soon08:17
Stskeepsi need to figure out how to do that, and avoid breaking the hell out of Nemo08:17
vgradeStskeeps, so Nemo relies on an older version?08:18
Stskeepsvgrade: telephony part does.. but nemo can't hold back progress either08:18
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Stskeepsselect one and zypper up to it, or make new image08:20
Stskeepsthis is eglibc 2.1508:20
vgradeStskeeps, ok08:20
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Tofevgrade: ok08:29
Tofeokay, plasma is great, but some things are really not convenient on a tablet08:29
Tofemainly, many things are too small (menus, some icons in the title bar)08:30
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vgradeTofe, you cab catch up with the plasma active guys in #active.  The apps with menus really need rewriting to support a touch interface08:37
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Stskeepsmorn lbt08:56
lbtgrumble: Error <creator>: Failed to find package 'qemu-usermode-static' : No package(s) available to install08:58
lbtjust grumbling08:58
Stskeepsfrom what repo08:59
lbtsdk ks08:59
Stskeepswith latest releases?08:59
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lbthmm - the ks isn't getting the Mer repo in it09:00
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lbtnm ... more kickstarter stuff09:02
lbtI had it all working by essentially ignoring mer/00base.yaml09:02
lbtthen I stripped all the duplicate stuff and expected base.yaml to work09:02
lbtnow I'm redoing the duplicate bits and missing some :)09:03
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* Stskeeps ponders idly09:22
Stskeepswatch a movie a day, or re-watch entire star trek TNG?09:22
lbtthat takes more than a day!09:22
lbtdo you watch Big Bang Theory ?09:23
Stskeepsyeah, though it's a "watch only with bogna" series09:24
lbtwe only discovered it a few months ago09:24
Stskeepsit has certainly given bogna new appreciation for my random quirks09:24
lbtjust watched the entire 4? series almost back to back at ~1-2 per day09:25
lbtit's so ironic that we learnt about it at a "linux car stereo community 12 year reunion party"09:25
lbt\o/ download finished and sdk built09:26
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* Stskeeps tries to figure out why exists on x86 but not on arm09:29
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Stskeepslbt: did you ever get NFS working on mer?09:35
lbtI made a start but it's below SDK/sb2 and git09:36
Stskeepsi'm pondering to take a swing at mer-as-my-htpc today so09:36
lbtdid I show you the osc git/obs repo09:37
Stskeepsnot yet09:37
lbtwell, it's in the mer-tools area, not core ... so don't panic :)09:37
lbttake a look at the tree for mer-pkg head09:38
lbtand then the tree for mer-master head09:38
Stskeepshow about instead of freaking me out with that, to walk me through a standard package update ?09:38
Stskeepsie, let's assume .134 comes out09:38
lbtthat's what I'm working on09:38
Stskeepsok, rather: how is it supposed to look like09:38
lbtnormally what we'd do is replace the tarball09:39
lbtand then try to re-apply any patches we had09:39
Stskeepsand update .spec, .yaml, .changes09:39
lbtfixing up along the way09:39
Stskeepsand send for testing09:39
lbtthis way what we do is change _src to say "0.134"09:40
Stskeeps(BTW: have you looked into how fedora does it?09:40
lbtwe rebase/cherry-pick patches in git09:40
lbtyes - very similar to this09:40
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lbtthe patches line in _src then says "apply any commits between 0.134 and mer-master as .yaml patches"09:41
lbtso this is a way to retain tarball/patch compatibility09:42
lbtwhat we can also do is skip the %prep step09:42
lbtby checking out mer-master09:42
lbtis the make_src.py09:43
lbtI wrote it in perl first09:44
lbtthen realised it should be in osc and/or spectacle too09:44
lbtso moved it to .py09:44
lbtjust FYI really - so you know the direction I'm looking at :)09:46
Stskeepsstill confused, can you do a 'shell log' kind of thing where you update from 0.133.1 to 0.134?09:46
Stskeepshelper tools allowed09:46
Stskeepshow you envision it to be09:46
lbtyes, that's my next task09:48
Stskeepsthe overall goal should be to reduce the time it takes of doing typical mer tasks09:50
Stskeepsjust like spectacle reduced typical spec packaging time09:50
Stskeeps=> higher productivity09:50
lbtessentially : git pull upstream; git rebase mer-master upstream-master; (fix patches+commit); git checkout mer-pkg; edit _src to change tag; update_changes;09:51
lbtclearly if we're carrying patches there's real work to do most of the time09:52
Stskeepsthat's a bit of a utopia world you picture there.. how does it work with tarballs?09:52
lbtinstead of git pull upstream => pristine-tar import <new tarball>09:53
lbtthen it's the same09:53
lbt_src file has a type of pristine-tar09:53
lbtso instead of git archive... it uses pristine-tar "recreate tarball"09:54
lbtOK .. sdk09:57
Stskeepsand how would this work with gerrit?09:57
Stskeeps(am not putting down the idea, just walking through my mental checklist)09:57
lbtthat I'm not sure about09:58
Stskeepswould it be possible to have a second alternative proposed, where you ship a lot of the automation to gerrit side instead?09:58
lbtI need to see how this appears to gerrit when I do a push09:59
Stskeepsthough that wouldn't work in vendor scenario, hmm09:59
lbtI think the real thing we're doing is removing the tarball from git repos10:00
lbtthere's a lot of opacity there10:00
Stskeepsin practice we're not really though10:01
Stskeepswe ship it around with the git repo itself anyway10:01
Stskeepsthough deltas are smaller10:01
lbtby tarball I mean large binary blob10:01
lbtthere is no blob [1] in my proposal10:01
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lbt[1] technically pristine tar can/does use blobs in pathological situations10:02
Stskeepsbtw, as a sidenote, for "acl" test case, sb2 2.3.43 is now faster than old cross10:04
Stskeepsand not done optimizing yet10:05
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jboshi, my mic-image-creator is looking for tools like "mic" in /usr/local/bin  but those are in /usr/bin10:24
jbosany idea how to fix this10:24
jbosi'm running a kubuntu 11.0410:24
Stskeepsjbos: get mer platform sdk10:24
Stskeepsand use that, it makes life much easier on random distributions10:25
jbosso basically doing all this in the changeroot?10:26
Stskeepsyes, that way we're sure you have the right tools, things work, etc10:26
jbosok, stupid question, i have this installed but it doesnt know about mic2 :D10:29
jbosbe back in 30 min "lunch"10:29
Stskeepsjbos: yes, we now use 'mic' instead10:29
jbosis there a wiki about it?10:29
Stskeepslbt: Mer images are build using mic image creator. on that page refers to a bad mic10:30
Stskeepsok, time to lay down a bit and watch a german scifi ( )10:31
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jukkaeklundstskeeps, good choice10:38
lbtjbos: ping me if you need a hand10:38
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dm8tbrhmm sounds like a nice movie10:42
dm8tbrwill need to get ahold of original and subtitles10:44
Anssi138it is ok10:49
Anssi138i don't know how sci-fi can be bad even10:50
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jbosok, lbt i'm confused I have the sdk installed and rpm -ql mic tells me that ther is a mic in /usr/bin11:07
jbosbut there isn't11:07
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jbosok reinstalled package; now its there11:11
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lbtjbos: mmm11:14
lbtwhat do you mean by reinstalling ?11:14
lbtzypper or tar x ?11:14
jboszypper rm11:15
jboszypper in11:15
jboswithin the sdk11:16
lbtyou really shouldn't need to do that11:16
lbtso it makes me think something else is wrong11:16
jbosyep, i guessed so...11:16
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lbtmorning phaeron11:16
Anssi138i had hack for similar that thingy.
jbosat least it now works through the ks file and does something11:17
lbtAnssi138: that's not using the sdk though11:17
lbtjbos: OK - I'd like you to try re-installing the SDK though11:17
jboswill do later.11:18
lbt don't forget to umount before removing it - OK ?11:18
jbos:) OK11:18
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lbtif mic isn't working then it's an urgent bug11:19
phaeronlbt: hey11:19
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djszapiHi! Is there any ongoing adaptation work for AMD cores ?11:36
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lbtdjszapi: not AMD specifically AFAIK11:42
jukkaeklundlbt, stskeeps, installed fresh SDK works as advertised!11:51
jukkaeklundalso mic was there11:51
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jukkaeklundfound a bug(?), after doing zypper up the file MerSDK disappeared11:56
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Stskeepsdjszapi: our i486 port works on amd12:02
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sahackhelp me  check what this is made of
sahacksorry guys, wrong post12:13
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cxl000Tofe pulseaudio in has a hack to prevent the mutex_unlock failure on SMP devices12:37
Tofecxl000: good to know, thanks12:38
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cxl000I've only tested on a trimslice with a tegra212:44
djszapiStskeeps: ok, thanks.12:44
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lbtjukkaeklund: thanks for the checks - I'll look at the MerSDK file - that's put there by the .ks which is probably a bad approach12:50
vgradecxl000, thanks for that patch it will help mdfe also on his pov tablet13:06
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Stskeepsmoin mdfe13:08
mdfemoin :)13:08
vgrademoring mdfe, you just missed this from cxl000 : the pulseaudio in has a hack to prevent the mutex_unlock failure on SMP devices13:10
mdfegreat timing13:10
vgradecan you link me your latest arm plasma active ks you used in generating those images for me at the sprint?13:12
mdfeStskeeps: could you point me again to your obs? I like to check if this patch is inside13:13
Stskeepsmdfe: it's not, afaik13:13
Stskeepsmdfe: // is more accurate13:13
mdfeStskeeps: I have the same issue like with PA on dual core ARM devices13:16
Stskeepsget it in mer bugtracker if it's not there already13:17
mdfeI will check and do so13:17
Stskeepsthe idea is to replace with a very new version of pulseaudio but we need to do it in a way that doesn't regress nemo13:18
Stskeepsthough that might be hard13:18
mdfemay I help?13:18
Stskeepscareful what you ask for.. ;);a=tree13:19
Stskeeps254+ patches for telephony enablement13:19
cxl000vgrade this patch comes from arfoll13:19
Stskeepsthe idea is to scrap those patches and move them into a nemo/n900-n950 specific pulseaudio13:20
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Stskeepsthough i'm uncertain if the libpulse's are ABI compatible13:20
mdfedo you know whats specific?13:20
Stskeepswell, all of those patches to be honest13:23
Stskeepsif you want, you can prepare a 'clean' pulseaudio package on a new version13:23
Stskeepsie, where you forget about those patches13:24
Stskeepsmdfe: BTW, regarding your virtual machine stuff, i'm prepping the llvmpipe thing at the moment13:24
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Stskeepsvgrade: where are we on pi kernel btw?13:28
mdfeStskeeps: I have loose track about llvmpipe, is it a additional package to get vm more supported?13:30
vgradeStskeeps, packages are at and are tested with qmlviewer image13:31
Stskeepsvgrade: cool13:31
Stskeepsmdfe: yes, it enables ability to do GLES/EGL in VM13:31
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vgradeStskeeps, mdavey was asking if we could get an image to them before launch13:32
vgradeStskeeps, with the delay to the baords it may give me time to create a QtDesktop to augment the qmlviewer image13:32
Stskeepsvgrade: makes sense13:33
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Stskeepsvgrade: i'd personally prefer we make a guide "install mer platform sdk, get this .ks, here's how to write the image.."13:33
Stskeepsso it flows in together with every other guide we have13:33
Stskeeps"how to use qt creator with it.."13:33
Stskeepsthe advantage, after all, is that we come with great tools for working with mer13:34
vgradeStskeeps, yes, on my ever increasing list13:34
Stskeepsvgrade: i know the feeling :P13:34
Stskeepsvgrade: if you want to shed that task, i can take it on for monday afternoon13:34
* Stskeeps adds to calendar13:34
Stskeepsmdfe: the sad side of this story is that it won't work on ARM, that would have been awesome cool :P13:35
cxl000vgrade I have a refreshed QDesktop
vgradeStskeeps, lets sync on monday13:36
Stskeepsvgrade: k13:36
vgradecxl000, cheers13:36
Stskeepsis there any of you people who has atom+nvidia hardware, btw?13:36
cxl000no atoms here13:37
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sonachStskeeps: hi,Do you have a minute? I am not sure whether the hisilicon drivers and kernel should be rebuilt, since Mer is built on Linaro gcc4.6.x, but current hisilicon drivers and kernel are built on arm-hisiv200-linux-gcc (Hisilicon_v200(gcc4.4-290+glibc-2.11+eabi+nptl))
Stskeepssonach: it doesn't matter too much as the kernel and it's drivers never link to mer userspace13:38
Stskeepsif you mean drivers as drivers inside kernel (.ko)13:38
Stskeepssonach: but in the future, when you build kernel and drivers yourself inside for example OBS, then you'd probably have to use mer linaro gcc4.6.x13:39
Stskeepssonach: i very often use a different toolchain for kernels than mer toolchain13:40
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sonachStskeeps: Yes, the drivers are ko files. Since the kernel and it's drivers never link to Mer userspace, why do you say "in the future, when you build kernel and drivers yourself inside for example OBS, then you'd probably have to use mer linaro gcc4.6.x"?13:42
Stskeepssonach: if you make a big production/bigger team, you will want to build kernel inside OBS too in order to be able to do product images automatically13:43
Stskeepsand in OBS, mer linaro gcc is the only one that can be used13:44
sonachStskeeps: ah, I understand this point. Thank you:)13:45
Stskeepsit also helps to help against situations where you are limited by that it's only one person who can make the kernels and he leaves the company or something like that13:45
Stskeepssonach: do i remember right that the hisilicon .ko files are closed source?13:46
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sonachStskeeps: I am not quite sure. hisilicon provides it's SDK and I can rebuild many thing including kernel, but I don't quite sure whether drivers source code are included in the SDK tarball.  I think I should check it:)13:48
Stskeepsbecause if they are, you should stick with whatever toolchain they have, as the two toolchains (mer and hisilicon) might be incompatible13:49
Stskeepsfor kernel builds13:49
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mdfeStskeeps: Does it help if start with a plain packaging of pulsaudio 1.1 on
Stskeepsmdfe: sure14:08
mdfebug is filed, I will drop a line when I have someting ready14:09
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Stskeepslbt: plok14:46
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* Stskeeps gives up on vboxvideo packaging for tonight16:11
vgradeStskeeps is that the one which supports 3d16:15
Stskeepsvgrade: well, that's one of the things i'd use it for yeah16:17
Stskeepsvgrade: but in this case it's simply to get llvmpipe working sanely with composition16:17
vgradeah ok I was confusing that with
dm8tbrlbt: hmm did something eat up the workers on bpmc? just randomly browsed through the monitor page16:30
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* lbt looks at Stskeeps ,,, plink16:46
Stskeepslbt: did you ever do kernel module packaging?16:47
lbtnot as a seperate package or as discretely buildable modules16:47
lbtdm8tbr: if you see workers dying ping me16:48
lbtI just restarted them all16:49
mdfeStskeeps: version bump on pulseaudio has done on
lbtsomething is killing them - I've not spotted it yet16:49
mdfeStskeeps: But there is still a lot todo on checking the dopped patches16:49
Stskeepsvgrade: good point17:02
Stskeepsvgrade: though sgx modules certainly extend the definition of 'kernel module' to be along the lines of 'pandora's box' ;)17:02
vgradeStskeeps, yea I saw the issues kulve had recently17:03
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timophlbt: is there a new sdk image floating around somewhere?17:48
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Stskeepshello thauta_17:54
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Stskeepsahh.. good cold danish beer18:04
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djszapiHi! What is the best of avoiding this warning ? specify kanagram.yaml18:05
djszapiWarning: duplicate item: /sbin/ldconfig for RequiresPostUn in package main18:05
djszapiWarning: duplicate item: /sbin/ldconfig for RequiresPost in package main18:05
lbttimoph:  try :
lbtnot built yet18:14
* lbt off out now :)18:14
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timophthat was fast :)18:15
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Stskeepso/ w00t_SE19:25
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tommishow does one install mer on n81019:50
timophtommis: see
timoph(haven't tried that myselft)19:53
tommisso how how usable is mer19:53
tommisis it basically the same maemo interface19:54
timophwell. mer is "just" a core19:54
timophso no ui. but different project offer different UIs on top of it19:54
timophthings like nemo, plasma active, etc.19:55
tommisso it boots to shell19:55
tommisi connect to wireless and install de19:55
tommisseems straight forward19:56
tommiswhat package manager it uses, how many packages there is?19:56
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timophtommis: rpm / zypper20:03
timophdunno about package count20:03
timophsome stuff packaged in various projects at
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dm8tbrtimoph: let me know when you do. I could do that to mine too... ;)21:00
timophnext hack day at the latest :)21:00
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djszapiwhat is wrong about specifying /sbin/ldconfig for the post and postun as well as a requirement, so how to avoid the warning ?21:18
Stskeepswhat warning?21:23
Venemo_N950hey, just out of curiosity, what happened to libsocialweb?21:31
Stskeepsnot in mer, at least21:31
Stskeepsyou can try to ask the dawati guys21:31
Venemo_N950did it have Qt bindings?21:34
Stskeepsthink so21:34
Stskeepsthere was some awkward issue about API keys and publishing this in open21:34
Stskeepsif i don't remember wrong21:34
Venemo_N950I can't find either libsocialweb nor libsocialweb-qt in anymore... hm, maybe I'm looking at the wrong place?21:35
Stskeepsmight have been seperated out to not suffer eventual closedown fate along with meego.gitorious21:35
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Venemo_N950I'll need to look it up21:36
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sledgeslbt, where should I put the mic-on-MerSDK bug? on mic's bug tracking system, or does mer have one for the purpose?21:42
Stskeepsstart out with mer and we'll triage21:43
sledgesok, Stskeeps, I'll go and find it (have time till Monday's triage, I guess :))21:43
sledgesC U L8R !21:44
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djszapisowhat is the recommended way of getting ldconfig run also for RequiresPost and RequiresPostUn if not adding both entries into the yaml file ?21:50
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Stskeepsdjszapi: could you show me the warning in question?21:50
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djszapiSure. Warning: duplicate item: /sbin/ldconfig for RequiresPostUn in package main21:51
djszapiWarning: duplicate item: /sbin/ldconfig for RequiresPost in package main21:51
djszapi -> for this yaml file contents.21:51
Stskeepsit's basically saying "hey, i already noticed you need this because of your .spec file's '%{_libdir}/*21:52
Stskeepsso no need to indicate it manually in yaml21:52
djszapimmh, okay, thanks.21:53
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rlinfatiHi, why in mer-sdk-chroot you are coping the ssl cert from host if is available ca-certificates from mer-core ?23:38
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