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| Alison_Chaiken | For packaging my IVI app on ARMv7, which mer obs is it best to check out? | 00:32 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Just "Mer" presumably? Mer:OBS:Testing? | 00:34 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: topic on building against mer, use armv7l | 03:10 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: in mer's core, not all the libs of qt-mobility used ? | 03:18 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: what do you mean? | 03:19 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I mean I compile qt-mobility, but I found there are many rpm packages | 03:19 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yes, we don't include all of them by standard, so vendors can select which they need | 03:21 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: ok | 03:22 |
| Stskeeps | we used to have all but it took up a lot of space | 03:24 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: anyone already tested the qt-mobility in mer ? I found even I used qt-mobility's player to play ogv files, I can't make it work. | 03:26 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: we've tested it to some extent with video player in Nemo UI | 03:30 |
| Stskeeps | but if it doesn't play ogv, please file a bug about that | 03:30 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Because something is wrong with ALSA in my system, I make the test3.ogv only contains video stream. Then I can use "gst-launch-0.10 -v playbin2 uri=file:///mnt/usb/ogv_qmh/test3.ogv" to play test.ogv file. But when I use qt-mobility's demo "player" to play it, I got the error below: http://pastie.org/3539338 | 03:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok, i'll have to look at it later today (is 4:30am here) | 03:33 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: so early in the morning, maybe you need a rest now | 03:34 |
| Stskeeps | my wife is going on a trip so we get up early today to avoid morning traffic | 03:34 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: morning traffic is boring. Have a good trip | 03:38 |
| ZiQiangHuan | It's 11:40 in Beijing, so lunch time for me. | 03:40 |
| Stskeeps | enjoy :) | 03:44 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: does your playbin2 example use ximagesink ? | 04:37 |
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| Stskeeps | huomenta jukka | 04:44 |
| jukkaeklund | hyvää huomenta! | 04:44 |
| * Stskeeps begins to take a look at if we can re-use the meego test set | 04:46 | |
| jukkaeklund | ooh testing.. | 04:50 |
| Stskeeps | now, of course we need some people to actually run them, too, but hmm :P | 04:51 |
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| Stskeeps | uhhh. | 05:00 |
| Stskeeps | why did my tv just spontaneously turn on and off | 05:00 |
| iekku | morning | 05:07 |
| iekku | ghosts? | 05:07 |
| Stskeeps | i hope not, i'm alone home for 3 months and i wouldn't like to spend time with digital ghosts | 05:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:09 |
| Stskeeps | errr | 05:09 |
| Stskeeps | 3 weeks | 05:09 |
| Stskeeps | not months | 05:09 |
| * Stskeeps tries to build BLTS, MCTS and MWTS | 05:10 | |
| iekku | feels like 3 months? | 05:11 |
| Stskeeps | probably, yeah | 05:11 |
| iekku | could you please tell me how it went and are they usable in mer? | 05:11 |
| Stskeeps | well, so far they're building | 05:11 |
| Stskeeps | haven't tested them yet as i just started doing this 40 mins ago :) | 05:12 |
| Stskeeps | some of the pieces is useless (on mer side) as they test components we do't have | 05:12 |
| iekku | :nod: | 05:13 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning sonach | 05:27 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: good morning!! | 05:28 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I send one email to mer-general, ask about supporting android apps on Mer. what do you think of this? | 05:28 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i think the best thing you can do is to contact those vendors and ask them -- the products are not for free probably though | 05:30 |
| Stskeeps | but some of them are based on Qt | 05:30 |
| Stskeeps | so they should work on Mer too | 05:30 |
| Stskeeps | there's not currently any free solutions for using android applications on normal linux | 05:30 |
| sonach | ok:) tv vendors want to support android apps. STB vendors doesn't. | 05:31 |
| Stskeeps | i'd personally prefer html5 any day over supporting android apps :P | 05:31 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is also that even if you use this kind of tool like openacl etc, you can't say in product brochures you support android applications | 05:32 |
| Stskeeps | because of trademark problems | 05:32 |
| Stskeeps | and you won't have access to android market | 05:32 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I personally agree. What we should do now is to provide a solution to TV vendors. Whether to pay for openacl, is decided by TV vendors themselves. | 05:33 |
| Stskeeps | there shouldn't be any technical problems in doing so on top of mer, at least | 05:34 |
| sonach | OK:) | 05:35 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: another question. I am using mer-sdk-latest. I have to 'http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.0.0.3/builds/i486/packages/i486/qemu-usermode-static-1.0.2011.12-1.2.i486.rpm'? | 05:35 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: hmm, moment | 05:36 |
| Stskeeps | you're using https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/latest/images/mer-sdk-i486-chroot/ ? | 05:36 |
| sonach | ... maybe I was wrong? I am using mer-sdk-latest... | 05:36 |
| Stskeeps | ah, so an old version probably | 05:37 |
| Stskeeps | then yes, you need to rpm -i the qemu-usermode probably | 05:37 |
| sonach | ok, I will download the new one:) I have not done builds for several days. | 05:38 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: after existing the SDK chroot. In /proc/self/mountstats, I found 'device /dev/disk/by-uuid/a32367cc-d954-4094-9dde-cda6de4c3eef mounted on /home/zhanghui/Mer/mer-sdk-latest/home/zhanghui with fstype ext4' | 05:44 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: you'd have to ask lbt, i don't know sorry | 05:44 |
| timoph | morning | 05:44 |
| Stskeeps | morn timoph | 05:44 |
| sonach | ok, | 05:45 |
| timoph | huh. opencv has a huge dependency chain | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: probably a lot that can be scrapped | 05:45 |
| timoph | yeah. I need to check what's actually needed | 05:45 |
| timoph | I started by just moving the existing stuff but not everyting build against mer | 05:46 |
| timoph | currently blocking one is freeglut | 05:48 |
| timoph | some opengl symbol reference error | 05:48 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes, when I use playbin2 to play ogv, ximagesink is used. | 05:49 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes, when I use playbin2 to play ogv, ximagesink is used. | 05:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: might be useful to see if you can make opengv do gles instead | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | er, cv | 05:51 |
| timoph | hmmh. yeah | 05:52 |
| timoph | anyway. I'll first try to get the stuff building as is and then start updating and modifying them | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:04 |
| Stskeeps | i intentionally dropped glut and such from mer | 06:04 |
| timoph | ah. the problem is that it tries to include GL/gl.h | 06:14 |
| Bostik | most of those uses can do with GLES2/gl2.h + GLES2/gl2ext.h | 06:21 |
| timoph | yeah. I found a post where someone had just provided gl.h as a symlink to gl2.h and that evidently works | 06:22 |
| timoph | http://old.nabble.com/Compiling-freeglut-%282.4.0%29-with-OpenGL-ES-2.0-Was%3A-Official-or-unofficial-ports-to-OpenGL-ES-2.0--td31069525.html | 06:22 |
| timoph | I just trying think of a not so hackish way to do it | 06:25 |
| timoph | maybe I'll just patch the code | 06:25 |
| Stskeeps | er.. | 06:25 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 06:25 | |
| Stskeeps | i just booted my live usb nemo mobile | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | how can it remember my wif.. | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | i | 06:26 |
| timoph | black magic? | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | well, starting out with my tv randomly booting this morning | 06:26 |
| timoph | :) | 06:27 |
| iekku | electricity in the air? | 06:27 |
| iekku | sunstorm? | 06:27 |
| timoph | it doesn't have a persistent partition on the stick? | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know, but that would be cool :P | 06:28 |
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| ShadowJK | Must be some sunstorm, the sky was glowing green plasma last night | 06:46 |
| iekku | ShadowJK, where? | 06:50 |
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| Stskeeps | but now i'll have to take a nap, bbl | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | pirut: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Compiling_with_the_SDK_.28FIXME.29 was another thing we did | 07:53 |
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| pirut | Stskeeps: I have jsut spent a few weeks in Suwon with Samsung guys,for the tizen stuff, and using thier wrapper around sb2, SBS https://source.tizen.org/platform_sbs_introduction.html | 07:55 |
| pirut | I wonder how I ever lived without it :) | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yeah, it's a nice approach too | 07:55 |
| pirut | sb2 really jsut makes life so easy | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | their version is ancient though, 2.3_development is blazing fast these days | 07:56 |
| pirut | I have noticed that about many of their packages :P | 07:57 |
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| pirut | do you know where there is some documentation about sb2 | 07:59 |
| pirut | I have only seen teh man pages in the repo | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | i've been discussing that with the author and it's being worked on to be published | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | you know legal processes.. | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | so hopefully anytime now | 08:00 |
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| Stskeeps | in practice all the magic happens in the modes and if you have any technical questions, i'll be able to answer than or pass them on | 08:02 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, yes, the opensuse was a suggestion as a backup really | 08:14 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: progress again: EGL extensions: EGL_KHR_image EGL_KHR_image_base EGL_KHR_image_pixmap EGL_KHR_gl_texture_2D_image EGL_KHR_gl_texture_cubemap_image EGL_KHR_gl_renderbuffer_image EGL_KHR_vg_parent_image EGL_KHR_fence_sync EGL_KHR_reusable_sync EGL_IMG_context_priority | 08:22 |
| kulve | :) | 08:22 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | _av500_, do I use the XDA method to unlock bootloader of my 101g9, or can I just use plpbt? | 08:25 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I was stopped in my tracks this morning by the discovery that there are two kinds of USB-OTG adapters, namely the one I have on hand and the one the 101g9 needs! | 08:25 |
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| * jukkaeklund_ listens carefully, still pondering should he get g9 or not.. | 08:28 | |
| dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: remove the modem or the modem dummy, instant USB-A port, ..., profit! | 08:28 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | No kidding, dm8tbr, that's too easy! | 08:31 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I feel that I should suffer just a bit more than that. | 08:31 |
| dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: also, there are micro and mini usb connector families. BB and panda use the latter, Archos the former. | 08:32 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Yeah, the USB-OTG cables I have left over from Gumstix project (OMAP3 like BB) is mini-A to mini-B. Thought all USB-OTG were that way. | 08:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Oh well, the kg of adapters I mail-ordered this morning will come in handy another time, I'm sure. | 08:34 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 08:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | What's the shiny rectangle next to my new USB-A port? | 08:34 |
| dm8tbr | btw: nokia used micro-A for many symbian phones | 08:35 |
| dm8tbr | the headphones were microA, while the port was AB so it would also fit regular micro-b for charging | 08:35 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Oh yeah, I have a dozen micro-USB cables for Nokia devices lying around, but all are car chargers or micro male to USB-A male. | 08:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Too bad it's after midnight here, I got get cracking right away! | 08:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | But I'm lunching at the Googleplex tomorrow with a buddy who's a manager there, so I can't sleep too late. | 08:37 |
| dm8tbr | I even have a nokia micro-A -> A adaptor, for attaching e.g. USB sticks to the newer symbian phones (anna/belle) | 08:37 |
| Alison_Chaiken | The Googleplex is only a few km from here: I will rollerblade there. | 08:37 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 08:37 |
| Alison_Chaiken | That way I can eat a gigantic free lunch. | 08:38 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | So is that an RF can there in with the port? | 08:39 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Is there actually already a modem installed? | 08:39 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Back to original question, you root these things with plpbt, or using scary XDA method? | 08:42 |
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| dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: modem uses the slot, so no. no idea what's beneath it. don't have mine here with me | 08:49 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Could be the WiFi. Definitely a radio of some kind. | 08:50 |
| dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: I have no idea how PLPBT would even fit in the picture | 08:50 |
| Alison_Chaiken | If you can see the /boot directory in a shell, dm8tbr, and you can cp files into it, you're in with plpbt. | 08:51 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Works with WeTab, for example. | 08:51 |
| dm8tbr | AFAIK you can not | 08:54 |
| dm8tbr | also it's ARM and not x86 | 08:54 |
| dm8tbr | also: ICS firmware is out, so SDE should essentially be released $NOW | 08:55 |
| * dm8tbr prods _av500_ | 08:55 | |
| dm8tbr | people here are waiting for it | 08:55 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I went to consult photos of the Paris-Nice bike race for a while instead. | 08:58 |
| Alison_Chaiken | It's safer for us old women to full-screen bike race photos instead of taking hormone-replacement pills. | 08:59 |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:01 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Here's a question for you: who laughed when they read that Nokia's new camera phone was Symbian-based? | 09:02 |
| Alison_Chaiken | And the answer: people who already sold their Nokia stock. | 09:02 |
| Alison_Chaiken | All right, I'd better go to bed before I really get into trouble. | 09:02 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Tomorrow bright and early, I will sit and read "man osc," which should put me in an appropriately serious mood. | 09:03 |
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| lbt | sonach: morning | 09:05 |
| sonach | lbt: morning:) | 09:05 |
| lbt | I saw you had an SDK issue | 09:06 |
| lbt | I need to clean up the old versions :) | 09:06 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: when I link my app with one so, it reports:'/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible .//libezwebkit.so when searching for -lezwebkit'. and libezwebkit.so is provided by others. what's the problem? should I rebuild the ezwebkit.so? | 09:07 |
| sonach | lbt: yes, I use the old one. Now I update to the latest version:) | 09:07 |
| lbt | OK | 09:07 |
| sonach | lbt: And the new version works fine:) | 09:07 |
| lbt | so you should be able to just upgrade | 09:07 |
| sonach | yes, | 09:08 |
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| lbt | however you need to check when you exit that all the mountpoints are clean | 09:08 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: the 'libezwebkit.so' is armv7l, | 09:08 |
| sonach | lbt: sure. I will do that, | 09:08 |
| lbt | then follow instructions on the webpage | 09:08 |
| niqt | morning | 09:08 |
| lbt | sonach: let me know how the upgrade goes | 09:08 |
| sonach | lbt: why should I upgrade? | 09:14 |
| sonach | Now the sdk works fine for me... | 09:14 |
| lbt | fair question | 09:15 |
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| lbt | I think mainly because if a problem does arise we'll find it harder to help you on the older version | 09:16 |
| lbt | OTOH if it's working for you then you may want to wait until the next, SB2 version | 09:16 |
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| lbt | sonach: you mentioned an issue this morning about a stray mountpoint | 09:17 |
| lbt | so that's the kind of bug the new approach is supposed to help with | 09:17 |
| lbt | Also, by actually using the newer version in a real situation, you help us find and fix bugs - and that makes Mer better | 09:18 |
| sonach | lbt: what you mean is that, after the mer-sdk-i486-chroot-0.20120209.1.tar.bz2 was released, there are some upgrades? | 09:18 |
| sonach | lbt: I just download the mer-sdk-i486-chroot-0.20120209.1.tar.bz2 version. | 09:19 |
| sonach | and don't do any upgrade till now. | 09:19 |
| lbt | no, that's currently the latest version | 09:19 |
| sonach | so I don't need to upgrade. Is that right? | 09:19 |
| lbt | that's correct - I thought you were running an older one | 09:19 |
| slaine | morning al | 09:20 |
| slaine | l | 09:20 |
| lbt | o. | 09:20 |
| lbt | o/ even | 09:20 |
| * slaine yawns and reaches for coffee | 09:20 | |
| sonach | lbt: ah, sorry, I didnot express myself clearly... | 09:20 |
| lbt | sonach: np | 09:20 |
| lbt | vgrade: lets talk about the HW soon too | 09:21 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: the libezwebkit.so was built by "arm-hisiv200-linux-gcc (Hisilicon_v200(gcc4.4-290+glibc-2.11+eabi+nptl)) 4.4.1". so maybe it must be rebuilt since Mer's gcc is Linaro4.6.1? | 09:23 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Anyway, I will rebuild it. | 09:24 |
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| slaine | So, back to my server stuff | 09:26 |
| slaine | is MDS/fakeOBS the first step | 09:26 |
| slaine | still | 09:26 |
| lbt | yes | 09:26 |
| slaine | while that's going, I can get the fe/be/worker VM's properly configured now I've got some more RAM | 09:27 |
| lbt | yep | 09:27 |
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| slaine | I've been dragged into fixing some blocker bugs the last couple of days, hence the delay in getting back to this, but I should be free to get moving again at least | 09:27 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Another related question. I think hisilicon's drivers(for example, hifb.ko) was build by 'arm-hisiv200-linux-gcc' but our programs and Mer-core are built by Linaro gcc 4.6.1. Will there exist some problems? | 09:28 |
| timoph | REMINDER: Mer platform SDK meeting starts in #mer-meeting in about 30 minutes | 09:29 |
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| Stskeeps | sonot for kernel issue | 09:31 |
| * Stskeeps looks around for coffee | 09:33 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://webui-ci.tspre.org/project/show?project=devel%3Aquality , http://webui-ci.tspre.org/project/show?project=devel%3Aquality%3Atests | 09:35 |
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| Stskeeps | "Google has been pressuring applications and mobile game developers to use its costlier in-house payment service, Google Wallet for quite some time. Now Google warned several developers in recent months that if they continued to use other payment methods — such as PayPal, Zong and Boku — their apps would be removed from Google Play, The move is seen as a way to cut costs for Google by using their own system." | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | ^ ouch | 09:49 |
| * w00t suggests a new slogan: "do no evil; unless it's profitable" :-) | 09:50 | |
| timoph | :) | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition | 09:51 |
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| Tm_T | Stskeeps: uh oh , source? | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | Tm_T: slashdot, so with a grain of salt.. | 09:56 |
| slaine | Was on Ars too, which is pretty good | 09:57 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: looking | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i passed x11 tests with flying colours and crashed my exopc gpu with the gles test :) | 09:59 |
| lbt | hehe | 09:59 |
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| lbt | hmm what's the betting my delivery arrives during the meeting | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: meeting time? | 10:00 |
| timoph | yep | 10:00 |
| timoph | platform SDK meeting starting now in #mer-meeting | 10:00 |
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| mdfe_ | good morning | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | good morning mdfe_ | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | platform SDK meeting in #mer-meeting now | 10:03 |
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| mdfe_ | when? | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | now | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:05 |
| mdfe_ | uh | 10:05 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: any hints on debugging the touchscreen? I copied evdev to the target and /dev/input/event3 is sending multi-touch events. I assumed it's a problem that the kernel driver sends both Touch Major and Pressure values when pressing but only Touch Major when releasing. So I added the Pressure 0 on release but it didn't change a thing. | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: multitouch or not? | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | get -mtev driver | 11:10 |
| kulve | actually I'm using a hard coded xorg.conf and I'm not sure if that's even correctly set. I don't see a cursor on the nemo screen (like I did with the qmlviewer.ks) so I don't know if it's reacting at all | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, there's no cursor intentionally | 11:11 |
| kulve | I removed the "hide the cursor" part from the .ks but it didn't change much I guess.. | 11:11 |
| kulve | what's the -mtev driver? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | multitouch events | 11:12 |
| kulve | for now a normal click would be enough but of course MT would be nice eventually | 11:12 |
| kulve | is the mtev already in Mer? | 11:13 |
| kulve | at least it's in home:stskeeps:mer:hw:n950 > xorg-x11-drv-mtev | 11:15 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: hmm.. I branched -mtev and mtdev from that repo (https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Akulve%3Abranches%3Ahome%3Astskeeps%3Amer%3Ahw%3An950) and they built OK, but the download directory gives me 404? | 11:28 |
| kulve | ah, nm | 11:29 |
| kulve | it helps when the publishing is enabled.. | 11:30 |
| lbt | I have some more soil to shift ... bbiab | 11:31 |
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| sledges | hello | 11:34 |
| sledges | me proudly presents KDE PA2 on Freescale, 2nd wave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ychi6eomw5Y | 11:34 |
| slaine | well done sledges | 11:34 |
| sledges | cheers, slaine, I think I took smoku 's work off of him/her :) | 11:35 |
| slaine | that'll be pretty sweet once the gles issues get resolved | 11:36 |
| sledges | don't know if KDE PA2 can hook automagically on GLES accel | 11:37 |
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| kulve | I don't know how to use the mtev. With xev the evdev driver gets motion events but no press/release | 11:57 |
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| vgrade | kulve, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=allow-cursor-control-env.patch&package=libmeegotouch&project=CE%3AMW%3AMTF&srcmd5=922f0b3a1c864e8f0d00fe7ccf3ea7b0 for a visible cursor in nemo. define that env var | 12:34 |
| kulve | vgrade: nice, thanks | 12:34 |
| kulve | my event3 is reporting the following according to evtest: http://pastie.org/3555500 | 12:35 |
| kulve | what's missing for the X.Org's evdev to be happy? I'm still getting only motion events according to xev | 12:36 |
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| kulve | ah, finally the xev is registering ButtonPress and ButtonRelease releases. I had to add those to our touchscreen driver | 13:08 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: well. I got the 3d working (somewhat) and I have the touchscreen working | 13:25 |
| kulve | overall performance is quite slow. I guess the X.Org's PVR driver isn't really tuned or something. | 13:26 |
| kulve | talking about nemo now | 13:26 |
| kulve | this is 1Ghz omap3 with 512M memory and the rootfs is on an older SD card | 13:26 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: thanks again for all your support. I managed to get Nemo running on this device in two weeks (of which 1 week I fought with the TI SGX stuff) and now I have something to report :) | 13:27 |
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| vgrade | kulve, thats amazing for an initial bringup. It would be great to have a blog post about that. | 13:44 |
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| slaine | kulve: I second what vgrade said | 13:47 |
| slaine | well done | 13:47 |
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| Stskeeps | morn phaeron o/ | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: if anything it gives a good testament to mer portability :) | 13:59 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: morning :) | 14:00 |
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| phaeron | lbt: hey | 14:07 |
| lbt | hey phaeron | 14:07 |
| lbt | just getting a delivery | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: http://webui-ci.tspre.org/project/show?project=devel%3Aquality , http://webui-ci.tspre.org/project/show?project=devel%3Aquality%3Atests | 14:08 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: alright cool. now we need to deploy OTS or something similar | 14:16 |
| phaeron | and hook it up to imager | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: :nod: i was thinking automatic images that you can put on a usb stick / sd card, plug in, get results back | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | automatic flashing isn't easy | 14:17 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: how about virtual machines ? :) | 14:17 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: been there :) | 14:18 |
| timoph | if we can make images that can be used with flasher and control the device's power it isn't too hard | 14:19 |
| _av500_ | dm8tbr: working on it, eta early next week | 14:19 |
| _av500_ | dm8tbr: there will be no gui | 14:19 |
| _av500_ | just a demo kernel to boot | 14:19 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: some of those can't reliably be run in virtual machines | 14:22 |
| slaine | mds make still chugging along, I need faster broadband at work | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | think connman tets | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | tests | 14:22 |
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| sledges | what's the best minimal .ks for mer+qmlviewer (should I go with X.org or Wayland) to start on i.MX53 (yes, Stskeeps, I'm going to where I should've started from ;)) | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.1/kickstarts/ | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | and platform sdk usage, of course | 14:26 |
| sledges | yup, going straight there wiki Platform_SDK ;) | 14:27 |
| phaeron1 | I understand but we don't have devices yet .. | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron1: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Process#Vendor_Checks:_Early_and_Late_.2848hr_window.29 | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind having a small thing on a server at home that makes me images to build for my hardware adapations | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | and test | 14:30 |
| phaeron1 | I always thought about trying netboot | 14:32 |
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| djszapi | Hi! Is there a way of generating the /sbin/ldconfig post* lines for each library automatically with some configuration from the yaml file, or just write something simple into the spec file ? | 14:35 |
| djszapi | for each library package* | 14:36 |
| sledges | Platform_SDK tells me sudo: must be setuid root :( | 14:38 |
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| Stskeeps | djszapi: it happens automatically if you have something in Files in yaml matching ".*(%{_libdir}|%{_lib}|/lib|/usr/lib)/[^/]*[.*?]+so([.*?]+.*$|$)" | 14:43 |
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| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=gluon&project=home%3Adjszapi%3AKDE-Devel&repository=Project_KDE_Devel_CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl | 14:44 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: and I have this schema: /usr/lib/libGluon*.so* | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but not in Files: in yaml | 14:45 |
| vgrade | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=4100 | 14:45 |
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| dm8tbr | _av500_: that's just fine :) | 14:45 |
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| djszapi | Stskeeps: vgrade mmmh, so you think kdelibs is badly packaged then ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=kdelibs.spec&package=kdelibs&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&rev=711ba73001a63701f281a648ab9d4950 | 15:07 |
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| djszapi | I do not find "Files" entries inside the yaml file, so prolly those things were added manually inside the spec file ? | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | manually added, sometimes that's ok | 15:08 |
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| djszapi | do you have an example yaml file for presenting this thing ? | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | looking.. | 15:19 |
| djszapi | or is it simply just the question of a spec file -> yaml copy/paste ? | 15:19 |
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| djszapi | I have always built the spec file manually wrt the install sections. | 15:20 |
| djszapi | I should probably have done that previously directly in the yaml file, if there are also library packages in the same project then. | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | can i see your %files section ? | 15:21 |
| djszapi | Sure. https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=gluon.spec&package=gluon&project=home%3Adjszapi%3AKDE-Devel&rev=196135f9cbf4f04b7c29b91e6b698cbf from line 201 on. | 15:22 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | does %{_kde_libdir}/libGluonCore.so.* match ".*(%{_libdir}|%{_lib}|/lib|/usr/lib)/[^/]*[.*?]+so([.*?]+.*$|$)" | 15:23 |
| djszapi | mdavey: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=macros.kde&package=kde-filesystem&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&rev=811bb9c63a2e6aa7ffce747bd6f2f416 -> first 21 lines | 15:23 |
| djszapi | we have apparently some useless kde prefixing | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe you mean | 15:24 |
| djszapi | so kde_libdir is equal to kde_libdir | 15:24 |
| djszapi | libdir* | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: what happens if you do %{_libdir} instead? | 15:24 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=alure.spec&package=alure&project=home%3Adjszapi%3AKDE-Devel&rev=2070deda18c19a4c2beb3a95aa72556e -> I think it is the same because I had the same issues here. | 15:25 |
| djszapi | I had to amend the ldconfig lines manually in the spec file. | 15:25 |
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| djszapi | I just did not mind there since it was for 2 packages, but in case gluon: it is 5-6. | 15:26 |
| djszapi | interestingly enough: no such issues with this package even without adding the library packages manually: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=openal.spec&package=openal&project=home%3Adjszapi%3AKDE-Devel&rev=e0b64bc87252daf209927c1809310c09 | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | that installs into %{_libdir} | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | which spectacle recognises | 15:29 |
| vgrade | Requires(postun): /sbin/ldconfig | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't recognise %{_kdelibdir} | 15:30 |
| vgrade | Requires(postun): /sbin/ldconfig | 15:30 |
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| djszapi | Stskeeps: okay, let me try. | 15:34 |
| djszapi | can it check in the future the "interpreted" path ? | 15:34 |
| djszapi | once a project has some project specific _myproject_libdir macro to /usr/lib/myproject, it is not gonna work if the validation does not happen for the interpreted context. | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: it can be a bit hard, please propose a task bug for enabling a flag in .yaml itself for enabling this | 15:36 |
| djszapi | mmh, my idea might be an upstream rpm proposal instead. | 15:37 |
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| djszapi | IS the recommended way to avoid the installation section writing in the spec file, but in the yaml file for projects with library package(s) ? | 15:38 |
| djszapi | Is* | 15:38 |
| sledges | lbt: I just found a bug in SDK: sdk rootfs should not reside in any mounted FSs, which appear as respective mounts under /parentroot/ - shall I add a note to wiki on this? | 15:38 |
| kulve | vgrade: Stskeeps: slaine: I did learn quite a few things but I'm not sure if it's worth a blog post. It "works" in the technical sense: the UI boots and I can start applications. But the 3D effects are too slow to be even demoable and I didn't try modem, wlan, sounds, etc. And the power consumption was really high | 15:38 |
| sledges | otherwise I get: sudo: must be setuid root :( | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: how are you with /etc/profile.d and making scripts there? | 15:39 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: what do you mean? | 15:39 |
| slaine | kulve: it'd still be interesting to read | 15:40 |
| slaine | I've yet to tackle a HA so I'm interested from that point of view | 15:40 |
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| sledges | another error in sdk (modprobe IS available...): Error <creator>: Command 'modprobe' is not available. | 15:43 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: is this matching done on specify or rpm side: ".*(%{_libdir}|%{_lib}|/lib|/usr/lib)/[^/]*[.*?]+so([.*?]+.*$|$)" | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: specify | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: it's in tools/specify | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 15:44 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: okay, then I do not know better solution for this issue than putting everything into the yaml file. | 15:45 |
| djszapi | from spec "files" to yaml "Files". | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: what does %{_kdelibs} evaluate to anyway? | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | or what it was | 15:45 |
| djszapi | you mean %{_kde_libdir} ? (that is a mapping to %{_libdir} without any changes. | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | so why is it _kde_libdir in the first place? | 15:46 |
| djszapi | I have never seen the point of it, personally. | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | i agree | 15:47 |
| djszapi | I just kept the consistency about packaging with the rest. | 15:47 |
| djszapi | if I began it from teh beginnig (first package for kde), I would go with _libdir, and ot hers. | 15:47 |
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| Stskeeps | either way: bugs.merproject.org , file a bug in mer core -> .Project Core, severity=task about the missing "please insert ldconfig for me" option in yaml | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | and raise a issue with your fellow packagers on why on earth you have _kde_libdir in the first place | 15:49 |
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| djszapi | I think they planned some /usr/lib/kde or so, but never happened. They did not modify a core package later to not get everything rebuild for the modification. | 15:50 |
| djszapi | but I am just speculating. | 15:50 |
| kulve | slaine: I'll see on Monday when I'm back at the office. I could write one. I hope I still can put some hours to that to see if I could get the performance a bit better | 15:51 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: ping | 16:06 |
| vgrade | 200000 registrations for RaspberryPi at Rs, http://www.electrocomponents.com/media/press-releases/2012/03/9th/ | 16:06 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: pong | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so we're all finished and imported with .0.0.2 ? | 16:08 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: no, I wanted to do some sb2 image tests before making it -next on obs | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | can i integrate new stuff? | 16:08 |
| lbt | yes | 16:09 |
| lbt | sledges: not sure what you mean - can you explain | 16:10 |
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| sledges | when I need to use sudo, I get "sudo: must be setuid root" . This happens when I place SDK's rootfs within a partition which on my host is gnome-automounted (hence under /media/), and that gives it a nosuid under MerSDK: $ cat /proc/mounts | 16:13 |
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| Stskeeps | did you put this on a 'mount' nosetuid partition? | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | or nosuid | 16:14 |
| * lbt wonders if we can check for that | 16:15 | |
| sledges | even though it is in /parentroot, it refers to itself and loses sudo capability, so I had to move SDK rootfs to a fstab's-mounted-partition (or somewhere in / ) | 16:15 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, there are not nosetuids anywhere | 16:15 |
| lbt | sledges: that doesn't sound right | 16:16 |
| lbt | phone ... minute | 16:16 |
| sledges | lbt, absolutely.. | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: 'mount' | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | a partition which on my host is gnome-automounted (hence under /media/), | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | that will be nosuid | 16:17 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, correct | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | mer sdk rootfs won't work on top of a nosuid FS | 16:18 |
| sledges | there ya go | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | so we should have a check for this somehow or write "if you do this it's your own fault" | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:19 |
| sledges | you finally helped to get my head around it too (I was checking nosuidness somewhat wrongfully) | 16:20 |
| sledges | yes, in wiki :)) | 16:20 |
| lbt | a note in SDK Requirements section should be OK - "The SDK must not be on a nosuid filesystem - note automounted usb drives typically have this set" | 16:21 |
| sledges | correct, __k has been here with the same problem (see http://mer.bfst.de/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2012-03-01.log.html) | 16:22 |
| lbt | append it to sudo rights line as it's essentially the same concept | 16:22 |
| * sledges updates the wiki with lbt's sentence | 16:22 | |
| lbt | ta | 16:22 |
| lbt | or as it reads best | 16:22 |
| sledges | ok, bug #2 (mic bug this time): I had my PATH messed up (well, it works under bash) with it looking like PATH=...{./usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games}...:...:... - for crosscompilings, multiple SDKs (including tizen), so mic could not parse it correctly and could not find /sbin/modrobe . after resetting PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games all is fine (i think i should report | 16:28 |
| sledges | it to mic team, no ? ) | 16:28 |
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| lbt | sledges: I'm not quite sure what you're saying there | 16:32 |
| lbt | you had path messed up, fixed it and it worked? | 16:32 |
| lbt | or mic messed up your path ? | 16:32 |
| sledges | mic messed up | 16:32 |
| sledges | as my complicated path is dandy for other apps | 16:33 |
| sledges | soz, 3rd interpretation: | 16:33 |
| lbt | oh, you have a path that has {} in it | 16:33 |
| sledges | mic got messed up with my PATH variable | 16:33 |
| sledges | yes | 16:33 |
| lbt | not a bug - you're lucky it works | 16:33 |
| lbt | PATH is defined to be a : sep list | 16:33 |
| lbt | not a bash interpreted variable :) | 16:34 |
| sledges | okay! :)) | 16:38 |
| sledges | and the third bug | 16:38 |
| sledges | getcachedir() looks messed up, and ends up in: | 16:38 |
| sledges | MountError: <mount>Bind-mounting '/var/tmp/mic/cache' to '/var/tmp/mic/imgcreate-rtXwDs/install_root//var/cache/yum' failed | 16:38 |
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| lbt | do you have a /var/tmp/mic/cache | 16:40 |
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| sledges | yes | 16:41 |
| sledges | it's the destination that does not exist | 16:41 |
| * sledges going through the python code now to see where it gets generated.. | 16:41 | |
| lbt | it will exist at the time of the erro | 16:41 |
| lbt | r | 16:42 |
| lbt | then mic will remove it | 16:42 |
| sledges | ... I see | 16:42 |
| sledges | i'll keep debugging then | 16:44 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: do you actually use kickstarter-configs from the installed rpm? | 16:48 |
| lbt | I think there's a small bug in the way they're installed | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm a little low on sleep and i honestly can't remember right now | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | what's the problem? | 16:49 |
| lbt | minor thing - the sdk yaml BR's them | 16:49 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, just pondering what the problem is :) | 16:50 |
| lbt | then : ExternalConfigs: - /usr/share/kickstarter-configs/mer | 16:50 |
| lbt | then it finds and uses 00base.yaml | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ah.. so, do you cd to /usr/share/kickstarter-configs ? | 16:50 |
| lbt | no | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | well that might be why | 16:50 |
| lbt | can't I have my own yaml | 16:50 |
| lbt | and relative paths | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | right | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | proposals on how to get rid of evil relative paths welcome | 16:50 |
| lbt | this could all be bugginess | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bug | 16:51 |
| lbt | cool - I can deal with that | 16:51 |
| lbt | it could have been missing some esoteric option :) | 16:51 |
| * Stskeeps waits for the "new bug assigned to you" email.. | 16:51 | |
| lbt | you mean new bug assigned to lbt ...? | 16:52 |
| lbt | I'm planning to hack on kickstarter | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | true, it's in your area isn't it ;p | 16:52 |
| lbt | *g* | 16:52 |
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| lbt | damn it - kickstarter won't let me base of mer's 00base.yaml | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | what error? | 17:22 |
| lbt | it's that path stuff | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | what error do you get | 17:22 |
| lbt | WARNING: rpm-rebuilddb.post not found, skipping. | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's what i feared | 17:22 |
| lbt | I think adding ExternalConfig to path would work | 17:23 |
| lbt | but then there's packaging error | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't really use paths in picking up post scripts | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 17:23 |
| lbt | 00base.yaml says mer/*.post | 17:23 |
| lbt | but the files are in ./ | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:23 |
| lbt | so I may copy 00base.yaml into 00sdk.yaml and get an SDK image out | 17:24 |
| lbt | and then go down the rabbithole over the weekend to get us a better kickstarter | 17:24 |
| lbt | yup - perfect | 17:27 |
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| sledges | how weird lbt, http://pastebin.com/KpbRJm9U | 17:58 |
| * sledges gtg now, will check in later sometime, but will see what you replied ;) thanks! | 17:58 | |
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| lbt | sledges: it could be some kind of side effect of this annoying bind-mount stuff - I'm off out now - can you either prod me tomorrow or log a bug for me | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | have a good evening lbt | 18:32 |
| lbt | ta | 18:33 |
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| Tofe | Hello ! | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | hello Tofe :) | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | so what brings you here? | 19:24 |
| Tofe | I'm currently investigating if I could put Mer/Plasma active on my Iconia A500 tablet (it's a Tegra2 chipset) | 19:24 |
| Venemo | hey guys :) | 19:25 |
| Tofe | Because what I see, currently, is that we are able to put ubuntu (armel version, of course) on it | 19:25 |
| Tofe | and I don't see major differences with putting Mer; should I ? | 19:26 |
| RaYmAn | as long as you stay away from hardfp version, it should be fine | 19:26 |
| RaYmAn | and given A500 has nvflash, it's a hell of a lot easier :P | 19:27 |
| Venemo | Tofe, it should work, I think the only question is whether or not it will have hardware graphics acceleration. if I recall correctly, vgrade was the one who worked on that. | 19:27 |
| RaYmAn | hardware acceleration requires a very specific kernel interface and hence a very specific nvidia kernel | 19:27 |
| Tofe | we do have hw acceleration on ubuntu, so it's just a matter of having the driver also to work for Mer. Is Mer using an X server ? | 19:27 |
| RaYmAn | makes it hard to get right, but it's certainly possible | 19:28 |
| Tofe | (I don't know Mer so well, I'm still using a good ol' n900 ;) ) | 19:28 |
| Tofe | Are the Tegra4Linux driver of some use, for Mer ? If this OS also uses X + Mesa, then I think so, but well as I said I'm still investigating | 19:30 |
| Tofe | I think the steps are quite clear (but some are not easy): recompile a Mer kernel to make it boot on a custom partition/file, flash the brand new kernel and copy the rootfs where the kernel wants it, and reboot/pray. | 19:31 |
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| Tofe | The first step is the hardest for me: I never cross-compiled a kernel before. | 19:32 |
| Tofe | but maybe it is not even necessary: can't I just take the kernel that we use for booting Ubuntu/armel ? | 19:34 |
| RaYmAn | you are probably not going to have much luck with any other kernel :) | 19:34 |
| Tofe | :) | 19:34 |
| Tofe | but I'm not very confident with the init process (which I don't know so well, even on "classic" distribution); mainly the launch of the "init" process isn't clear to me | 19:36 |
| Tofe | I'm gonna have to read some docs, I guess | 19:36 |
| Tofe | but I think you gave me great hope: just taking a standard mer/plasma rootfs, putting it in place of the ubuntu one on the tablet (we can also boot from external sdcard, which is great), maybe tweak it a bit for the init and for some drivers, and it should be alright. | 19:38 |
| Tofe | the rootfs from basyskom is hardfp, isn't it ? | 19:41 |
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| Stskeeps | hey b-man` | 20:24 |
| b-man` | hey Stskeeps :) | 20:24 |
| b-man` | how's life been treating you? :) | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say quite well | 20:25 |
| b-man` | heh, same | 20:25 |
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| Stskeeps | so what projects are you doing these days? from quick glances it might just look like Mer never stopped ;) | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | (for me) | 20:26 |
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| b-man` | heh, well, I've been working on porting Ubuntu to the HP TouchPad, and I'm thinking about porting mer, too | 20:26 |
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| Stskeeps | it actually already runs there | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | think crevetor had it going with plasma active | 20:27 |
| b-man` | ah, did you guys have any luck with accelerated X? | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | no clue, isn't it just MSM on there? | 20:28 |
| b-man` | I know that the gles libraries are available from WebOS | 20:28 |
| b-man` | well | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but not x11.. | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:28 |
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| b-man` | pretty much | 20:29 |
| b-man` | I've asked qualcomm about the driver (yamato_dri.so) but it seems that they aren't interested in releasing it | 20:30 |
| harbaum | Any news about the spark? It's pretty silent now after some weeks of noise | 20:31 |
| b-man` | Stskeeps: has anyone else made a formal request, that you know of? | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | b-man`: doubt it'd be published | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: well, they've been at embedded world and cebit at least | 20:33 |
| harbaum | i should have gone to cebit .... it's pretty close | 20:36 |
| * Stskeeps has once in his life presented at a booth there | 20:37 | |
| harbaum | did that 2 or 3 times while i was student | 20:38 |
| harbaum | my professor was always keen to have a table at the universities booth | 20:39 |
| dm8tbr | harbaum: looks like archos gen9 will be open before spark and there is already a hw adaptation with mer/pa :) | 20:39 |
| harbaum | great. does the g9 have usb host? | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: any ETA on the sde yet? | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | not because i need more equipment, but... | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:40 |
| harbaum | sde? | 20:40 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: _av500_ said earlier today here on channel 'early next week' | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:40 |
| dm8tbr | harbaum: that's the open boot loader | 20:40 |
| harbaum | ah, not a block device .... | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: great timing for my plans on putting my tizen port on there | 20:41 |
| dm8tbr | harbaum: it has both the EHCI port and the MUSB exposed | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 20:41 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: playing with titzen? ;) | 20:41 |
| * harbaum was going to ask the same | 20:42 | |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: it reminded me a little too much of old mer and not in a good way | 20:42 |
| dm8tbr | :/ | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | but then again, someone else's headache | 20:42 |
| * b-man` wants to set up Tizen SDK to play with, but has a midterm networking project >_< | 20:43 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man`: waste of time, install mer platform sdk :) | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | you can do both in that time | 20:43 |
| harbaum | what's wrong with tizen? | 20:43 |
| dm8tbr | industry driven non-community project? | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: my gripe was based on alpha sdk, and the fact that core init scripts were primarily targetted to samsung based devices, hardcoded camera driver loading in init scripts, etc, so in practice it reminded me a lot of maemo4,5 which was an unportable mess | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | i'm giving them a benefit of a doubt to push out something worthwhile though | 20:47 |
| dm8tbr | as in encapsulated hw adaptation? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'm browsing through beta to see if they cleaned it out | 20:48 |
| dm8tbr | their git got updated | 20:50 |
| harbaum | i thought tizen is mainly a html5 engine | 20:50 |
| harbaum | much like this mozilla os | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: what's published is basically Samsung Linux Platform | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: with EFL + a web runtime | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | the /etc/issue even still says SLP :) | 20:51 |
| dm8tbr | I'd be actually interested to play with B2G | 20:51 |
| dm8tbr | need to look for their stuff | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: i'd be more interested in a 'powertop' output from it... | 20:52 |
| dm8tbr | hm? you suspect gecko keeps the CPU busy/awake? | 20:53 |
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| Stskeeps | well, since entire UI is in it, it might | 20:53 |
| harbaum | sounds like it'd be easy to build a better tizen by putting efl and the web runtime on top of mer | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | so i'm pondering how much it is | 20:53 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 20:53 |
| dm8tbr | a shame I couldn't go to MWC, hear there was interesting stuff | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: that has crossed my mind at times too, we tried originally with alpha and not all packages were published to make this possible | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | situation might be better now, but even the reference apps aren't public | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | as in, source | 20:55 |
| dm8tbr | source is underrated in corporate world... :-( | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | though, admittedly, there might be some kind of merit of a tizen runtime | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | .. alongside others like phonegap, etc.. | 20:56 |
| harbaum | and seabird and ... | 20:59 |
| harbaum | there too many quite similar approaches imho | 20:59 |
| harbaum | they should combine forces | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | i think many ui frameworks are converging on phonegap as 'core' | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | instead of trying to provide their own apis | 21:00 |
| bigbluehat | he means http://incubator.apache.org/cordova/ | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | it changes name every other week, don't blame me for not keeping up :P | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: what's enyo on top of these days? cordova too? | 21:02 |
| bigbluehat | anything :) | 21:03 |
| bigbluehat | 2.0 is "just" a JS framework + UI widgets called Onyx | 21:03 |
| bigbluehat | Onyx is optional | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:03 |
| bigbluehat | anything else, afaik, is pulled in via other stuff | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | any news about Nyx(?) yet by the way | 21:03 |
| bigbluehat | not that I've seen | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 21:03 |
| bigbluehat | I'll drop something in here when it surfaces :) | 21:03 |
| * bigbluehat is still chomping at the bit for MojoDB :) | 21:04 | |
| harbaum | if only someone would build a nice and clean qt mobile theme .... | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | so does people include enyo 2.0 in all their applications? | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | or is it a shared component | 21:04 |
| bigbluehat | I believe it's included | 21:05 |
| * bigbluehat checks | 21:05 | |
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| bigbluehat | pretty sure there's a version that ships with webOS | 21:08 |
| bigbluehat | that can be included | 21:09 |
| bigbluehat | but honestly not possitive | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 21:09 |
| * bigbluehat is still getting started in that world | 21:10 | |
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| RaYmAn | can anyone remind me how you tell if an elf binary is hardfp or not? (does Tag_ABI_HardFP_use: SP and DP mean that you need everything compiled with that, including drivers?) | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: Tag_VFP_registers | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | err | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | Tag_ABI_VFP_args: VFP registers | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | if that's there, it's hardfp | 21:11 |
| RaYmAn | 'k, perfect :) (It's not, no Tag_ABI_VFP_args at all)) | 21:12 |
| RaYmAn | ty | 21:12 |
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