Sunday, 2012-03-04

Alison_Chaikenvgrade, I just turned down some Tizen work and will do my demo for the "don't care" business guy on mer.00:09
Alison_ChaikenI'd point the Tizen guy at you, but the offer is so crap, I don't want him to insult you too.00:09
Alison_ChaikenYou could always work in a news kiosk or at a Starbucks instead . . .00:10
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vgradeAlison_Chaiken, interesting that someone wants to base something off Tizen at this stage. We don't know what it will look like yet00:18
Alison_ChaikenIndeed, vgrade, although communicating that message to bizpeople can be tricky, as they aren't familiar with the kind of details that are lacking.00:18
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vgradeI see there has been some news on the US mandating read view cameras in all new builds.  That looks good for IVI sector00:25
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Alison_Chaikenvgrade, I agree that mandating more cameras is good for SW types, although the gov is now reconsidering due to industry pushback.00:52
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vgradenot tested as yet as its time for bed.  Alex is bowling for county Sunday so I won't be around until 20:0002:02
vgradestill work to do on pacaging02:03
vgradeand I need to pick the latest git with the L2Cache fix02:05
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djszapi -> 126-136 for instance. How can I check out what variables are available altogether for me and what they are defined for ?04:04
djszapi -> Can I get some help with this build issue, please ?04:20
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djszapimorn Stskeeps07:00
djszapi -> do you have any ideas for this issue ?07:00
Stskeepsyes, exactly what it says07:01
Stskeeps%files must begin with /07:01
djszapibut what bugs me is that I do the same as other packages in the spec file. :/07:02
Stskeepsshow the .spc?07:02
djszapiohh it seems the spec file was not updated, weird.07:03
djszapiohh my mistake, sorry. I had a new subfolder and I tried to update the file from the old folder.07:03
djszapiso the fix did not take effect, thanks.07:04
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djszapiinitializing rpm db...07:31
djszapierror: ^%{NAME}-%{VERSION}-%{RELEASE}$: regcomp failed: Invalid content of \{\}07:31
djszapierror: ^%{BUILDTIME}n$: regcomp failed: Invalid content of \{\}07:31
djszapiStskeeps: what can be the reason for this ? ^07:31
djszapi(I did not have such a complain previously, and I have just modified the post/postun bits for running ldconfig in case the library).07:31
Stskeepsignore that07:31
Stskeepsthat's a bug in our sb2 integration07:31
Stskeepsdoesn't give any harm07:31
djszapiStskeeps: okay; I am also getting this: "error: line 106: Package does not exist: %post libkeduvocdocument4", but it seems I have such a package.07:33
djszapi -> line 3807:34
Stskeeps%post -n07:34
Stskeepswithout -n it's Name + the subpackage name07:34
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djszapiStskeeps: thanks.07:40
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Stskeepsmorn vgrade08:21
Venemomorning :)08:23
jukkaeklundvgrade, hi08:26
Stskeepsvgrade: looks good with r-pi adaptation so far08:27
jukkaeklundwondering if plasma two could be made run in N950..08:27
Stskeepsprobably just a matter of re-adjusting the kickstart files08:27
vgradejukkaeklund, need to test those Pi packages later08:28
vgradejukkaeklund, yes should be ok, I think Sage has a recent image for panda08:28
jukkaeklundI tried to pull in plasma from the repositories and failed..08:29
jukkaeklundhence I thought ready-made image might be good to try out how is it working..08:29
jukkaeklund..or not08:29
djszapiis it any usable ?08:29
jukkaeklundthats what I would like to found out :)08:29
djszapiI mean PA was never meant for handset so far.08:29
jukkaeklundwell, I haven't really seen it working on eg exo so..08:30
jukkaeklundand I'd rather try in real life, than speculating08:30
jukkaeklundlike, that Intel tablet UI was never meant to run, but it worked fine on N900 even08:30
djszapiworked or was usable ?08:31
Stskeepsjukkaeklund: isn't there pre-installable images of PA for exo?08:31
vgradedjszapi, was never meant but runs quite well,
jukkaeklundstskeeps, yes there is but none I tried worked08:31
Stskeepsjukkaeklund: hmm08:31
djszapivgrade: seen, and I disliked it personally.08:31
djszapi(from usability POV)08:32
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Stskeepsjukkaeklund: try ?08:32
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jukkaeklundstskeeps, ok will try..08:33
jukkaeklundmaybe first in vm..08:33
Stskeepsin vm won't boot that well, likely08:33
Stskeepsjust boot it from usb, there should be a 'boot' (don't use install)08:33
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djszapijukkaeklund: I thought you also got an exopc last April at the summit.08:34
jukkaeklundyea I got08:34
jukkaeklundI would say this looks promising:
jukkaeklundand would be nice to try out now with latest PA208:35
djszapithe business use case is probably not the handset world for PA at this stage.08:37
Stskeepsprobably not, but doesn't hurt to try08:37
Stskeepspeople run windows 95 on their n900s ;)08:37
djszapireally ?08:38
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jukkaeklunddjszapi, yeah but doesn't hurt to try..08:38
djszapijukkaeklund: of course, just do not expect too much :)08:38
djszapilike you can switch to daily usage and so forth.08:38
jukkaeklundoh don't worry, I've lived with this stuff for quite some time..08:39
Stskeepsjukkaeklund: btw, in a shocking twist it seems like Tizen has dropped any mention of WAC 2.0 from it's beta release and documentation (re html5 support)08:39
Stskeepsjukkaeklund: they of course didn't tell anyone08:39
jukkaeklundyep, I noticed08:39
Stskeepsinteresting direction08:40
djszapiStskeeps: win95 on N900...nice one =)08:40
jukkaeklundso WAC is "dead"08:40
Stskeepsand tizen apis extended a fair bit in scope08:41
Stskeepsinteresting they chose to go for jquery mobile (albeit, a good idea)08:42
Stskeepsalbeit very widget-ish08:43
jukkaeklundgot tizen sdk now in PC, with windows08:43
jukkaeklundnever got it installed from linux08:44
Stskeepsok, wouldn't mind to see some emulator snapshots08:44
Stskeepsif it runs there08:44
vgradegtg, bowling, bye08:51
jukkaeklundemulator has been starting for a few minutes now..08:54
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jukkaeklundso tizen apps are wgt widgets..09:11
jukkaeklundfeels familiar09:11
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jukkaeklundstskeeps, nope the emulator doesn't show up09:16
Stskeepsjukkaeklund: ugh, not good qa09:16
Stskeepslbt: mds2 can now succesfully look up Core:master:acl / acl.spec09:19
* lbt can browse files in a gitweb of a new gitpkg style repo09:20
lbtwhat's the main difference for mds2 then?09:20
lbtcomments? :P09:21
Stskeepslbt: it is remade / a bit faster, trying to make it simpler to understand, some comments, uses a git repo instead of a checkout09:21
lbtare you still make driven?09:22
Stskeepswas waiting until i could discuss with you to go into those09:23
lbtwhich is cool but sometimes a bit tricky to understand/explain unless the dependencies/goals are clearly set out09:23
Stskeeps(i'm on the move next 4 hours)09:23
lbtOK - I'm out in about 4h :)09:23
Stskeepsah damn09:23
lbtback this evening09:24
Stskeepsthe main premise is a remake with Core:GITREF ability09:25
Stskeepsso you can use HEAD, symbolic refs, sha, etc09:25
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lbtmaybe prepare a git feature branch and some concept docs this pm so we can dive in tonight?09:25
lbtFWIW I'm looking to use the same basic principle as the existing git structure09:26
lbtso you have a repo of changes to the yaml/.changes/spec etc09:26
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lbtbut I replace the tarball with a _src file09:27
Stskeepsi don't mind _src if we do it sanely09:27
lbtthat has the tarball name and a mechanism/tag to get the tarball09:27
lbteither pristine-tar or normal git archive09:27
lbtthe nice thing is that there are 2+ git repos inside the git repo09:27
lbtas per git checkout --orphan09:28
lbtthe contents of "the other" git repo is essentially identical to the upstream git repo09:28
lbtwith extra branches holding our patches09:28
lbtbut if you prune mer-* branches and gc - that's upstream09:29
lbtthe bit I'm not sure on is how to manage the mer-* branches = no matter what , the worst case is we have the same patch hacking we use today09:29
Stskeepsbrb shop09:30
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Stskeepssanity check must be that i09:40
Stskeepsthat Sage__ can use it without loss of producitivity09:40
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Stskeepsor significantly confuse off the street contributors10:07
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jukkaeklundstskeeps, tizen shots:
Sage__lbt, Stskeeps: _src file is fine by me. What I would like to see is easy way to show which upstream tarball is used (matching name, md5sum etc).13:29
Sage__With fedora git tree what I "hate" is that one can't easily get the source tarball (even URL out of there)13:30
lbt$ cat _src13:30
lbtalso supports patches:<commit1>:<commit2>13:31
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lbtand pristine-tar:<label>13:31
lbtjust writing up some stuff atm13:31
lbtI noticed some of our packages have multiple tarballs - that's fine too13:31
Sage__ok, so how can one get the tarball?13:32
lbtfor git anyhow - I thing it *may* be an issue for pristine tar but I'm not sure13:32
lbtwritten in .py to slip into osc13:32
lbtor spectavle13:32
Sage__well, spectacle uses some information from inside the tarball.13:33
lbtyes, the path13:34
lbtI use src/ as the prefix13:34
* Sage__ needs to go for a while13:34
lbtme too13:34
lbtback in a few hours13:35
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Stskeepsjukkaeklund: ta14:32
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* Stskeeps yawns14:48
* leinir tosses an m&m into Stskeeps's gaping maw ;)14:51
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Venemo_N950lol leinir15:21
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Stskeepscrevetor: any vids of PA2 on touchpad?17:39
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Stskeepshello rs422a18:04
rs422aHi. Just stopped in to learn more about mer. Looking forward to Spark.18:04
Stskeepsalright, if you have any questions don't hestitate to ask :) and feel welcome to hang out here18:05
rs422aThanks for having me.18:05
Stskeepsso what do you hope to use the spark for?18:05
rs422aI'm running KDE 4 on my laptop and hope to make Spark a mobile companion to my system.18:06
Stskeeps:) sounds like a worthwhile goal18:07
rs422aAre you a working on the project?18:07
Stskeepsi'm not involved with spark or plasma active, but i am the Mer project architect18:08
Stskeepsie, we deliver the engine room / the core18:08
rs422aExcellent. How is it working on the Nokia?18:09
StskeepsMer's working quite well on a wide range of hardware, personally I run it on ExoPC, n900, n950 and my i486 media center18:09
Stskeepsthough not with plasma active on top18:10
rs422aI'm tempted to install it on a i386 Asus netbook to dig deeper before the Spark launch.18:11
Stskeepssounds like a plan, though i'm not 100% sure if PA builds for the i486 port18:11
Stskeepsie, you'd need an atom processor possibly18:11
Stskeeps(PA=plasma active)18:11
rs422aI have more investigatory work to do before I try. But I may try it with plasma. Very excited about the project.18:12
rs422aI'm going to logout. Nice chatting with you. I'll be following along.18:13
Stskeepssee you18:13
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Stskeepslbt: back at desk yet?18:23
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lbtStskeeps: back now19:20
lbtjust sorting things out - should be around in a few mins19:20
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Stskeepswell at least we know the reaction to feb1119:29
* lbt glances at link as he makes food19:32
lbtand hopes the gfx is open19:32
lbtthat would shake the SoC guys up19:32
Stskeepsi am of the firm belief that the reason many gfx stacks aren't open is that people would want to tear out their eyes with their nails while trying to comprehend it19:33
lbtheh - and the gfx hw vendors would be sued for false advertising19:34
* Stskeeps continues documenting(!) mds219:36
Stskeepsat least code documentation19:36
* lbt is glad he's sitting down19:36
Bostikso true19:41
vgradelbt, Stskeeps, I will be at plasma active sprint on 7/8th at basyskom officesis there anything from the Mer side I need to find out or brief on19:42
vgradeor just a general report maybe on Mer related business19:43
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Stskeepsvgrade: well, a good 'how do you think it's going' is a good start19:43
Stskeepsthings they have problems with/lacks/etc19:44
Stskeepsalternative uses beyond PA for mer, etc19:45
vgradesure, no probs19:46
Stskeepsi think that from the mer community obs pov some discussion on how they do CI with current community obs is a good thing to discuss19:46
Stskeepsif you're taking notes19:46
vgrademdfe will be there so I can have a good chat19:46
Stskeepsperhaps consider a 'outreach' blog post at the end of it all19:46
Stskeepssummarizing experiences, etc19:47
Stskeeps.. think that's it from me19:47
vgradeI'll also ask about plans to replace meego obs19:48
StskeepsSDK needs, looking how many people use qt creator, etc, useful too19:49
vgradeyea, I don't have any visibility on how people develop for PA.  I just see the packages mdfe maintains19:51
vgradedjszapi will be there also so we can talk about his work and needs19:52
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Stskeepslbt: food done?20:03
Stskeepslbt: so, central concept.. we have mer project core, in a git, we tag it with versions, symbolic refs ('next') etc, this gets regularly updated20:04
Stskeepsproject core checkouts points to package git repos, what sha's corresponds to the version within the core20:06
Stskeepscheckouts/tree within a comment20:06
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lbt"mer project core" - is this a collection or a single repo20:07
lbtI assume single repo that contains this rich manifest20:07
Stskeepsthis is a single repo20:12
Stskeeps;a=tree specifically20:13
lbtOK - was checking20:13
Stskeepshmm, i have to skip the tale for now, let's take it in the morning20:18
lbtok np20:18
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