| Alison_Chaiken | vgrade, I just turned down some Tizen work and will do my demo for the "don't care" business guy on mer. | 00:09 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I'd point the Tizen guy at you, but the offer is so crap, I don't want him to insult you too. | 00:09 |
| Alison_Chaiken | You could always work in a news kiosk or at a Starbucks instead . . . | 00:10 |
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| vgrade | Alison_Chaiken, interesting that someone wants to base something off Tizen at this stage. We don't know what it will look like yet | 00:18 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Indeed, vgrade, although communicating that message to bizpeople can be tricky, as they aren't familiar with the kind of details that are lacking. | 00:18 |
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| vgrade | I see there has been some news on the US mandating read view cameras in all new builds. That looks good for IVI sector | 00:25 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | vgrade, I agree that mandating more cameras is good for SW types, although the gov is now reconsidering due to industry pushback. | 00:52 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Avgrade%3AraspPi&repo_Mer_Core_armv6l=1&succeeded=1 | 01:59 |
| vgrade | not tested as yet as its time for bed. Alex is bowling for county Sunday so I won't be around until 20:00 | 02:02 |
| vgrade | still work to do on pacaging | 02:03 |
| vgrade | and I need to pick the latest git with the L2Cache fix | 02:05 |
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| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=okular.spec&package=okular&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&rev=2c030b36f749410e397b4c6b730504fd -> 126-136 for instance. How can I check out what variables are available altogether for me and what they are defined for ? | 04:04 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=libkdeedu&project=home%3Adjszapi%3AKDE-Devel&repository=Project_KDE_Devel_CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl -> Can I get some help with this build issue, please ? | 04:20 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:27 |
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| djszapi | morn Stskeeps | 07:00 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=libkdeedu&project=home%3Adjszapi%3AKDE-Devel&repository=Project_KDE_Devel_CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl -> do you have any ideas for this issue ? | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | yes, exactly what it says | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | %files must begin with / | 07:01 |
| djszapi | but what bugs me is that I do the same as other packages in the spec file. :/ | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | show the .spc? | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | spec | 07:02 |
| djszapi | ohh it seems the spec file was not updated, weird. | 07:03 |
| djszapi | ohh my mistake, sorry. I had a new subfolder and I tried to update the file from the old folder. | 07:03 |
| djszapi | so the fix did not take effect, thanks. | 07:04 |
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| djszapi | initializing rpm db... | 07:31 |
| djszapi | error: ^%{NAME}-%{VERSION}-%{RELEASE}$: regcomp failed: Invalid content of \{\} | 07:31 |
| djszapi | error: ^%{BUILDTIME}n$: regcomp failed: Invalid content of \{\} | 07:31 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: what can be the reason for this ? ^ | 07:31 |
| djszapi | (I did not have such a complain previously, and I have just modified the post/postun bits for running ldconfig in case the library). | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | ignore that | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | that's a bug in our sb2 integration | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't give any harm | 07:31 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: okay; I am also getting this: "error: line 106: Package does not exist: %post libkeduvocdocument4", but it seems I have such a package. | 07:33 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=libkdeedu.spec&package=libkdeedu&project=home%3Adjszapi%3AKDE-Devel&rev=ba70e77515aedd7e9fcbc472aaac0005 -> line 38 | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | %post -n | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | without -n it's Name + the subpackage name | 07:34 |
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| djszapi | Stskeeps: thanks. | 07:40 |
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| Stskeeps | http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/RPM_Guide/index.html | 07:41 |
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| vgrade | morn | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | morn vgrade | 08:21 |
| Venemo | morning :) | 08:23 |
| vgrade | morn | 08:23 |
| _av500_ | ing | 08:23 |
| jukkaeklund | vgrade, hi | 08:26 |
| vgrade | morning | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: looks good with r-pi adaptation so far | 08:27 |
| jukkaeklund | wondering if plasma two could be made run in N950.. | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | probably just a matter of re-adjusting the kickstart files | 08:27 |
| vgrade | jukkaeklund, need to test those Pi packages later | 08:28 |
| vgrade | jukkaeklund, yes should be ok, I think Sage has a recent image for panda | 08:28 |
| jukkaeklund | I tried to pull in plasma from the repositories and failed.. | 08:29 |
| jukkaeklund | hence I thought ready-made image might be good to try out how is it working.. | 08:29 |
| jukkaeklund | ..or not | 08:29 |
| djszapi | is it any usable ? | 08:29 |
| jukkaeklund | thats what I would like to found out :) | 08:29 |
| djszapi | I mean PA was never meant for handset so far. | 08:29 |
| jukkaeklund | well, I haven't really seen it working on eg exo so.. | 08:30 |
| jukkaeklund | and I'd rather try in real life, than speculating | 08:30 |
| jukkaeklund | like, that Intel tablet UI was never meant to run, but it worked fine on N900 even | 08:30 |
| djszapi | worked or was usable ? | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: isn't there pre-installable images of PA for exo? | 08:31 |
| jukkaeklund | both | 08:31 |
| vgrade | djszapi, was never meant but runs quite well, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xFbWDXTqLk | 08:31 |
| jukkaeklund | stskeeps, yes there is but none I tried worked | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: hmm | 08:31 |
| djszapi | vgrade: seen, and I disliked it personally. | 08:31 |
| djszapi | (from usability POV) | 08:32 |
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| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: try http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_x86_usb_live_and_install_archive/2012-02-22-20-00-basyskom-plasma-active-testing-mer-usb-live.iso ? | 08:32 |
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| jukkaeklund | stskeeps, ok will try.. | 08:33 |
| jukkaeklund | maybe first in vm.. | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | in vm won't boot that well, likely | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | just boot it from usb, there should be a 'boot' (don't use install) | 08:33 |
| jukkaeklund | true | 08:33 |
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| djszapi | jukkaeklund: I thought you also got an exopc last April at the summit. | 08:34 |
| jukkaeklund | yea I got | 08:34 |
| jukkaeklund | I would say this looks promising: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xFbWDXTqLk | 08:35 |
| jukkaeklund | and would be nice to try out now with latest PA2 | 08:35 |
| djszapi | the business use case is probably not the handset world for PA at this stage. | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | probably not, but doesn't hurt to try | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | people run windows 95 on their n900s ;) | 08:37 |
| djszapi | really ? | 08:38 |
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| djszapi | xD | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxMYuCHxBgE | 08:38 |
| jukkaeklund | djszapi, yeah but doesn't hurt to try.. | 08:38 |
| djszapi | jukkaeklund: of course, just do not expect too much :) | 08:38 |
| djszapi | like you can switch to daily usage and so forth. | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 08:39 |
| jukkaeklund | oh don't worry, I've lived with this stuff for quite some time.. | 08:39 |
| djszapi | hehe | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: btw, in a shocking twist it seems like Tizen has dropped any mention of WAC 2.0 from it's beta release and documentation (re html5 support) | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: they of course didn't tell anyone | 08:39 |
| jukkaeklund | yep, I noticed | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | interesting direction | 08:40 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: win95 on N900...nice one =) | 08:40 |
| jukkaeklund | so WAC is "dead" | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | and tizen apis extended a fair bit in scope | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | interesting they chose to go for jquery mobile (albeit, a good idea) | 08:42 |
| jukkaeklund | ah | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | albeit very widget-ish | 08:43 |
| jukkaeklund | got tizen sdk now in PC, with windows | 08:43 |
| jukkaeklund | never got it installed from linux | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok, wouldn't mind to see some emulator snapshots | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | if it runs there | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | snapshots/screenshots | 08:44 |
| jukkaeklund | yeah | 08:44 |
| vgrade | gtg, bowling, bye | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 08:52 |
| jukkaeklund | emulator has been starting for a few minutes now.. | 08:54 |
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| jukkaeklund | so tizen apps are wgt widgets.. | 09:11 |
| jukkaeklund | feels familiar | 09:11 |
| lbt | morning | 09:12 |
| jukkaeklund | g'day | 09:12 |
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| jukkaeklund | stskeeps, nope the emulator doesn't show up | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: ugh, not good qa | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: mds2 can now succesfully look up Core:master:acl / acl.spec | 09:19 |
| lbt | :) | 09:19 |
| * lbt can browse files in a gitweb of a new gitpkg style repo | 09:20 | |
| lbt | what's the main difference for mds2 then? | 09:20 |
| lbt | comments? :P | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: it is remade / a bit faster, trying to make it simpler to understand, some comments, uses a git repo instead of a checkout | 09:21 |
| lbt | are you still make driven? | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | was waiting until i could discuss with you to go into those | 09:23 |
| lbt | which is cool but sometimes a bit tricky to understand/explain unless the dependencies/goals are clearly set out | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm on the move next 4 hours) | 09:23 |
| lbt | OK - I'm out in about 4h :) | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah damn | 09:23 |
| lbt | back this evening | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | the main premise is a remake with Core:GITREF ability | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | so you can use HEAD, symbolic refs, sha, etc | 09:25 |
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| lbt | maybe prepare a git feature branch and some concept docs this pm so we can dive in tonight? | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:26 |
| lbt | FWIW I'm looking to use the same basic principle as the existing git structure | 09:26 |
| lbt | so you have a repo of changes to the yaml/.changes/spec etc | 09:26 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 09:27 |
| lbt | but I replace the tarball with a _src file | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | i don't mind _src if we do it sanely | 09:27 |
| lbt | that has the tarball name and a mechanism/tag to get the tarball | 09:27 |
| lbt | either pristine-tar or normal git archive | 09:27 |
| lbt | the nice thing is that there are 2+ git repos inside the git repo | 09:27 |
| lbt | as per git checkout --orphan | 09:28 |
| lbt | the contents of "the other" git repo is essentially identical to the upstream git repo | 09:28 |
| lbt | with extra branches holding our patches | 09:28 |
| lbt | but if you prune mer-* branches and gc - that's upstream | 09:29 |
| lbt | the bit I'm not sure on is how to manage the mer-* branches = no matter what , the worst case is we have the same patch hacking we use today | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | brb shop | 09:30 |
| lbt | ok | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | sanity check must be that i | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | that Sage__ can use it without loss of producitivity | 09:40 |
| lbt | yep | 09:48 |
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| Stskeeps | or significantly confuse off the street contributors | 10:07 |
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| jukkaeklund | stskeeps, tizen shots: http://db.tt/2vOTXXFz | 13:12 |
| Sage__ | lbt, Stskeeps: _src file is fine by me. What I would like to see is easy way to show which upstream tarball is used (matching name, md5sum etc). | 13:29 |
| Sage__ | With fedora git tree what I "hate" is that one can't easily get the source tarball (even URL out of there) | 13:30 |
| lbt | $ cat _src | 13:30 |
| lbt | git:osc-0.133.1.tar.bz2:0e079926abce5b5a70a95b8b9f63c1a31b068546 | 13:30 |
| lbt | also supports patches:<commit1>:<commit2> | 13:31 |
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| lbt | and pristine-tar:<label> | 13:31 |
| lbt | just writing up some stuff atm | 13:31 |
| lbt | I noticed some of our packages have multiple tarballs - that's fine too | 13:31 |
| Sage__ | ok, so how can one get the tarball? | 13:32 |
| lbt | for git anyhow - I thing it *may* be an issue for pristine tar but I'm not sure | 13:32 |
| lbt | make_src.py | 13:32 |
| lbt | written in .py to slip into osc | 13:32 |
| lbt | or spectavle | 13:32 |
| Sage__ | well, spectacle uses some information from inside the tarball. | 13:33 |
| lbt | yes, the path | 13:34 |
| lbt | I use src/ as the prefix | 13:34 |
| * Sage__ needs to go for a while | 13:34 | |
| lbt | me too | 13:34 |
| lbt | back in a few hours | 13:35 |
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| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: ta | 14:32 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 14:48 | |
| * leinir tosses an m&m into Stskeeps's gaping maw ;) | 14:51 | |
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| Stskeeps | crevetor: any vids of PA2 on touchpad? | 17:39 |
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| Stskeeps | hello rs422a | 18:04 |
| rs422a | Hi. Just stopped in to learn more about mer. Looking forward to Spark. | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | alright, if you have any questions don't hestitate to ask :) and feel welcome to hang out here | 18:05 |
| rs422a | Thanks for having me. | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | so what do you hope to use the spark for? | 18:05 |
| rs422a | I'm running KDE 4 on my laptop and hope to make Spark a mobile companion to my system. | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | :) sounds like a worthwhile goal | 18:07 |
| rs422a | Are you a working on the project? | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not involved with spark or plasma active, but i am the Mer project architect | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | ie, we deliver the engine room / the core | 18:08 |
| rs422a | Excellent. How is it working on the Nokia? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | Mer's working quite well on a wide range of hardware, personally I run it on ExoPC, n900, n950 and my i486 media center | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | though not with plasma active on top | 18:10 |
| rs422a | I'm tempted to install it on a i386 Asus netbook to dig deeper before the Spark launch. | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a plan, though i'm not 100% sure if PA builds for the i486 port | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | ie, you'd need an atom processor possibly | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | (PA=plasma active) | 18:11 |
| rs422a | I have more investigatory work to do before I try. But I may try it with plasma. Very excited about the project. | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:12 |
| rs422a | I'm going to logout. Nice chatting with you. I'll be following along. | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | see you | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: back at desk yet? | 18:23 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: back now | 19:20 |
| lbt | just sorting things out - should be around in a few mins | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | alrigh | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | t | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/28/technology/intel_phone/?source=linkedin | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | well at least we know the reaction to feb11 | 19:29 |
| * lbt glances at link as he makes food | 19:32 | |
| lbt | and hopes the gfx is open | 19:32 |
| lbt | that would shake the SoC guys up | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | i am of the firm belief that the reason many gfx stacks aren't open is that people would want to tear out their eyes with their nails while trying to comprehend it | 19:33 |
| lbt | heh - and the gfx hw vendors would be sued for false advertising | 19:34 |
| * Stskeeps continues documenting(!) mds2 | 19:36 | |
| Stskeeps | at least code documentation | 19:36 |
| * lbt is glad he's sitting down | 19:36 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431088_10150600498115958_549195957_9200588_658650990_n.jpg | 19:37 |
| Bostik | ow | 19:41 |
| Bostik | so true | 19:41 |
| vgrade | lbt, Stskeeps, I will be at plasma active sprint on 7/8th at basyskom officesis there anything from the Mer side I need to find out or brief on | 19:42 |
| vgrade | or just a general report maybe on Mer related business | 19:43 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: well, a good 'how do you think it's going' is a good start | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | things they have problems with/lacks/etc | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | alternative uses beyond PA for mer, etc | 19:45 |
| vgrade | sure, no probs | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | i think that from the mer community obs pov some discussion on how they do CI with current community obs is a good thing to discuss | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | if you're taking notes | 19:46 |
| vgrade | mdfe will be there so I can have a good chat | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps consider a 'outreach' blog post at the end of it all | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | summarizing experiences, etc | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | .. think that's it from me | 19:47 |
| vgrade | I'll also ask about plans to replace meego obs | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | SDK needs, looking how many people use qt creator, etc, useful too | 19:49 |
| vgrade | yea, I don't have any visibility on how people develop for PA. I just see the packages mdfe maintains | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:51 |
| vgrade | djszapi will be there also so we can talk about his work and needs | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 19:53 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: food done? | 20:03 |
| lbt | yep | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so, central concept.. we have mer project core, in a git, we tag it with versions, symbolic refs ('next') etc, this gets regularly updated | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | project core checkouts points to package git repos, what sha's corresponds to the version within the core | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | checkouts/tree within a comment | 20:06 |
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| lbt | "mer project core" - is this a collection or a single repo | 20:07 |
| lbt | I assume single repo that contains this rich manifest | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | this is a single repo | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=tree specifically | 20:13 |
| lbt | OK - was checking | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, i have to skip the tale for now, let's take it in the morning | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | brb | 20:18 |
| lbt | ok np | 20:18 |
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