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| timoph | see anything interesting? | 05:52 |
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| timoph | (morning) | 05:53 |
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| Stskeeps | need coffee, for ure | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 06:00 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: so what's on your hacking schedule? | 06:27 |
| timoph | should be free later in the afternoon | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i was wondering about what you're brewing on :) | 06:29 |
| * Stskeeps sips coffee | 06:30 | |
| * timoph waits people visiting us to wake up | 06:31 | |
| timoph | (sitting in the kitchen) | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | we're going looking at a apartment today but besides that i'll be hacking most of the day | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | probably looking deeper into the cross stuff | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | and re-reviewing all submissions to mer | 06:32 |
| timoph | cool. I'll try to be around | 06:32 |
| timoph | should take a spin of the sdk and see what works, potential pitfalls, etc. | 06:33 |
| timoph | (and argue with lbt ;)) | 06:33 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:33 |
| Stskeeps | i changed cross compilers into being i486, so that's a step ahead for sb2 stuff | 06:34 |
| timoph | so what's still missing there to be able to take for example the n950 rootfs, do sb2 init for it and start building stuff? | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | not much, really | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | we can walk together it with lbt later today perhaps | 06:36 |
| timoph | I'd like that | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3436021 was a proof of concept i did | 06:37 |
| timoph | nice | 06:38 |
| * timoph hears people getting up | 06:39 | |
| timoph | need to go. let's get back to this later today | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 06:44 |
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| Stskeeps | wth | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | why doesn't qt require libjpeg | 07:24 |
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| kimitake | which repository should I add to install libqt-devel for nemo x86? | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | kimitake: mer core should have it | 07:36 |
| kimitake | oh, I found it | 07:37 |
| kimitake | yesterday I tried to install to plasma active on mer, but I cound't... | 07:37 |
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| Stskeeps | you probably have to use the platform sdk and .ks files | 07:55 |
| * Stskeeps discovers http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-quality-assurance/handset-ux-tests/trees/master | 07:57 | |
| Termana | morning | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | it's almost depressing walking through the old meego wiki pages | 08:01 |
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| Stskeeps | morn araujo | 08:02 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, why? | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | well, so many good initiatives, ideas, documentation, etc | 08:04 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, morning o/ | 08:04 |
| * Stskeeps ponders how to backup them all | 08:07 | |
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| Termana | Is the MeeGo wiki being turned off? | 08:17 |
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| Venemo | good morning :) | 08:22 |
| Termana | Venemo, morning | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: eventually | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: re systemd, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=nokia-n900-configs&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900 | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to write up a wiki page about that you're welcome, too | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | check .spec and .service | 08:27 |
| kulve | thanks. I guess I still need to figure out how to run that before uxlaunch. I think nokia-n900-configs.service doesn't do that. IIRC they are both WantedBy=multi-user.target | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=ti-omap3-sgx&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN9xx-common | 08:33 |
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| kulve | ah, that looks exactly what I'm looking for (although now that it reads there, it might have been so that the uxlaunch is actually wanted by graphical.target and therefore that wouldn't be neccessarily run before it. But if that ti-omap3-sgx works, I'm sure I'll just follow it :) | 08:38 |
| kulve | but I'll try it out on monday morning | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, just telling you while i remember | 08:39 |
| kulve | and thanks for that because now I have something to move on immediately when I get back to the office :) | 08:41 |
| lbt | mornings | 08:45 |
| lbt | (one each) | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: MDS is on my schedule for today, but first after 12 my time | 08:45 |
| lbt | OK - I'm going to finish updating the SDK images first | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | k | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | and timoph was up for a sb2 brainstorm later today | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | not sure when you're off out | 08:47 |
| lbt | OK | 08:47 |
| lbt | no, I'm not sure ... 'afternoon' | 08:47 |
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| * Stskeeps glances at OMAP5 | 08:49 | |
| Stskeeps | wonder how you would leverage a omap5 (two cortex-a5, two mmu-less cortex-m4) in mer | 08:50 |
| lbt | did you see the LWN article on that (or similar soc) | 08:51 |
| lbt | can't recall if that's the one I did a link for | 08:52 |
| kulve | well, omap4 has 1-4 A8s and two M3s. I guess the OMAP5 has just a bit more power in it? | 08:55 |
| kulve | A9s | 08:55 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: or are you saying you have one on your desk? :) | 08:57 |
| lbt | I was thinking of this article about the big.LITTLE ? https://lwn.net/Articles/482344/ | 08:57 |
| kulve | I think the odd(?) part of the big.LITTLE design is that at least for still a while, half of the CPUs will be unused at all times | 08:59 |
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| kulve | if I can't do video encode on RPi I guess I need to use my OMAP3 gumstix for that. And in that case I could provide the HW adaptation layer publicly for it. But that's not current yet | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: none on my desk but it's hot a bad idea to think ahead when thinking about mer architecture | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | er, not | 09:05 |
| kulve | sure. I would be happy to hear any wild ideas about leveraging it :) | 09:05 |
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| djszapi | morning | 10:43 |
| djszapi | I am getting an interesting error for my package: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=libkdeedu&project=home%3Adjszapi%3AKDE-Devel&repository=Project_KDE_Devel_CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl | 10:44 |
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| djszapi | the webinterface is, at least, strange to now show the underscore character in the Source0 fied. | 10:47 |
| djszapi | s/fied/field/ | 10:47 |
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| Stskeeps | it's not $ it's %{} | 11:09 |
| djszapi | true, it was a copy paste line from Arch. | 11:10 |
| djszapi | seems they have different syntax. I think Arch uses bash syntax. | 11:10 |
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| djszapi | thanks. | 11:11 |
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| djszapi | mmh, it also seems it is better to surround the source name with quotes. | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | probably, yeah | 11:13 |
| vgrade | lbt, ping | 11:20 |
| lbt | pong | 11:20 |
| vgrade | morning, i'm looking at, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step#Make_a_kernel_package | 11:20 |
| lbt | OK | 11:20 |
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| vgrade | Note, we're using the name '-sample' here - you shouldn't change this just yet unless you know what you're doing. | 11:20 |
| lbt | right | 11:21 |
| vgrade | I want to create a -raspberrypi | 11:21 |
| * lbt wonders why he said that... | 11:21 | |
| vgrade | but don't know what im doing | 11:21 |
| lbt | there was a good reason... | 11:21 |
| lbt | well, this is good ... my first RasPi mentoring :) | 11:22 |
| lbt | let me just hit save on a few things... | 11:22 |
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| lbt | I'm rebuilding the SDK - but it's so iterative | 11:23 |
| vgrade | I can do this anytime | 11:23 |
| vgrade | just did not want to create a -raspberrypi without checking | 11:23 |
| lbt | no, it's good to get thing started | 11:25 |
| lbt | we need a namespace on the wiki | 11:25 |
| lbt | cobs project area | 11:25 |
| lbt | and a shared HA is sane | 11:25 |
| djszapi | Are there any helper scripts to convert the debian install files into relevant rpm content ? | 11:28 |
| djszapi | so which files to put into a certain package. | 11:28 |
| lbt | vgrade: I think the only thing you need to do is make an OBS project called kernel-adaptation-raspi | 11:28 |
| lbt | or whatever | 11:28 |
| djszapi | it would help a lot from, for instance, with Harmattan to Mer migration. | 11:29 |
| lbt | the text "-sample" is processed by macros in the rpm and used as the %{kernel_target_hw} | 11:29 |
| lbt | djszapi: not aware of any - there may be a deb2spec in the spectacle package? | 11:30 |
| lbt | vgrade: I think I just didn't want people creating random kernel adaptations from a project called '-sample' :) | 11:31 |
| lbt | vgrade: so try that and we'll see | 11:32 |
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| vgrade | ok, thanks | 11:33 |
| vgrade | I'll make some note as I go | 11:33 |
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| vgrade | morn Stskeeps | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | morn vgrade o/ | 11:36 |
| vgrade | random people at bowling this morning were talking about RaspPi. Seems BBC have been pluggig it in the UK | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, quite a fair bit | 11:38 |
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| lbt | mutter ... 2hrs to iterate and test SDK fixes | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | automated testing time? | 11:53 |
| lbt | not sure that's the problem ... it's a bit of a tangle | 11:54 |
| lbt | we had this in MINT | 11:54 |
| lbt | in order to verify something it needs uploading to OBS and building there so it's properly downloaded | 11:55 |
| lbt | that needs a solid commit and changelog entry | 11:55 |
| lbt | and when you have a couple of packages you end up commit/push/amend/push/amend/push | 11:56 |
| lbt | some automation and a better definition of Testing and Devel/Hackspace would help | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:57 |
| lbt | like "hey, mic, zypper, always check home:lbt:branches:<path> before <path>" when looking at repos | 11:57 |
| lbt | anyhow... I think I finalised the SDK (again) | 11:58 |
| djszapi | lbt: mmh, there is a deb2spectacle | 12:03 |
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| lbt | :) good | 12:11 |
| djszapi | =) | 12:12 |
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| Stskeeps | i've found my first use of X forwarding in 5 years. ssh -X'ing to my media center and loading up grooveshark under remote firefox | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: how's kernel coming along? | 14:43 |
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| Stskeeps | hello elfio | 14:58 |
| elfio | Hi there | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 14:59 |
| elfio | I though I was here before :p | 14:59 |
| elfio | I was wondering about the actual state of mer | 14:59 |
| elfio | anyone use mer for their phones? | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it runs fine on N900/N950/N9 | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | and you're right, you were here before :) | 15:00 |
| elfio | haha | 15:00 |
| elfio | Do you remember me? | 15:00 |
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| Stskeeps | my logs do ;) | 15:00 |
| elfio | yuju | 15:01 |
| elfio | hah | 15:01 |
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| elfio | so | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | Mer is currently used in Nemo and Plasma Active projects and other companies, did you see the Spark? | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://makeplaylive.com/ | 15:01 |
| elfio | I did it | 15:01 |
| elfio | I'm going to buy a smartphone | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | so we're proving to be a good core so far :) | 15:01 |
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| elfio | and I would like it comes with a true linux OS | 15:02 |
| elfio | I don't trust android a lot | 15:02 |
| elfio | any advice? | 15:03 |
| elfio | as far as I know there's no phone with tizen or Boot to Gecko | 15:03 |
| elfio | and even in this case, I'm not sure about them | 15:03 |
| * timoph thinks the N9 has the closest thing to a true linux stack currently in the shops | 15:04 | |
| elfio | me too | 15:04 |
| elfio | but the N9 is very expensive for me | 15:04 |
| elfio | my only option right now is a Geeksphone Zero | 15:05 |
| elfio | which comes with a CyanogenMod | 15:05 |
| elfio | rom | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | elfio: or if you're daring, the GTA04 | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | but that's more expensive than a n9 | 15:07 |
| timoph | do they still sell/make neo freerunners? | 15:08 |
| elfio | well | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: well, casing is possible to buy | 15:08 |
| elfio | I think the GTA04 is a developer mobile | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | it is | 15:08 |
| elfio | isn't it? | 15:08 |
| elfio | I'm not a developer | 15:09 |
| elfio | I'm just a linux user | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | though you might argue anything is.. | 15:09 |
| elfio | and i would like to have linux also in my phone | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully one day someone will make a true Mer based mobile | 15:09 |
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| timoph | yeah | 15:09 |
| timoph | the spark is a good start | 15:09 |
| elfio | do you know Geeksphone? | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | i think i read about it at some point | 15:10 |
| elfio | Cyanogen cooks rom for their devices | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | i look forward to the day we treat our mobile devices like we do our PCs, that we can do whatever we want with them :P | 15:12 |
| elfio | and remove all the rubbish | 15:12 |
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| elfio | I hope this day is not so far | 15:13 |
| * timoph has the latest SDK now installed | 15:13 | |
| elfio | so do you use android or anything like that? | 15:13 |
| elfio | I'm a little afraid about my privacy | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | i don't, i use n900 and n9 | 15:14 |
| elfio | lucky guy | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | sad part is i haven't actually tried an android phone :P | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | and when i saw someone using it, i saw "com.android.phone not answering" as a dialog box.. | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:15 |
| timoph | I have had one in my hand for something like 3 mins :) | 15:15 |
| timoph | I was thinking earlier today of getting one just to see what it's made of | 15:16 |
| elfio | where do you get the N950? | 15:16 |
| timoph | you don't | 15:16 |
| elfio | I like that one | 15:16 |
| timoph | anymore | 15:16 |
| elfio | so good...! | 15:16 |
| timoph | was only given out to developers | 15:17 |
| timoph | that reminds me.. I broke the screen of mine :/ | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | n950 had it's problems | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | mine has significant signal problems | 15:17 |
| timoph | yeah. I wouldn't call it ready for shops | 15:18 |
| elfio | how is the N9 as usual phone? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | quite good | 15:18 |
| elfio | have you tried a WP7 or an iPhone? | 15:18 |
| timoph | yeah. I miss a physical kb sometimes a bit but otherwise good | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | i've tries WP7 | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | d | 15:18 |
| timoph | iphone no, wp7 yes | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | though i'd sometimes prefer to run mer instead on it, it doesn't allow you to dive as deepily in hacker-wise as the n900 did | 15:19 |
| elfio | it is good? | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | wp7 has it's merits but not a device for me | 15:19 |
| timoph | wp7? | 15:19 |
| elfio | yes | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | i'm using my free lumia 800 as a experiment by seeing how my wife uses it | 15:19 |
| timoph | I use my work sim in it since outlook works on it | 15:19 |
| timoph | other than that not really my phone | 15:20 |
| elfio | I'm not a windows's friend, just for cuirous | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't matter.. in practice, what matters is people's experiences | 15:20 |
| timoph | yep | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | someone said at some point that it's a very little group of people who truly care about OSes, from consumer side | 15:21 |
| timoph | oh. sdk repos have sb2 | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: yep | 15:21 |
| elfio | sb2? | 15:21 |
| elfio | what's that? | 15:21 |
| timoph | scratchbox2 | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | elfio: we're doing some work on a easy to use kit for developing | 15:21 |
| timoph | a cross compilation environment | 15:21 |
| timoph | or tool | 15:21 |
| elfio | something like a SDK? | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we have a platform SDK | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | and then over time we'll have a qt creator based SDK | 15:22 |
| elfio | for Mer? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:22 |
| timoph | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 15:22 |
| elfio | that's nice! | 15:22 |
| elfio | that's just for x86? | 15:22 |
| elfio | what about ARM? | 15:22 |
| timoph | that's where sb2 comes in | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | SDK is for x86, but supports X86, ARM, MIPS.. | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | for targets | 15:23 |
| elfio | lol | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | theoretically sdk can run on arm too, but the amount of arm laptops are not big | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:23 |
| elfio | you guys are good with tha | 15:23 |
| elfio | that | 15:23 |
| elfio | well | 15:23 |
| elfio | I was just thinking about raspberrypi | 15:24 |
| elfio | :p | 15:24 |
| elfio | it looks nice | 15:24 |
| timoph | been a hot topic lately | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, mer runs on there too | 15:24 |
| elfio | someday I'll have one | 15:24 |
| elfio | for HTPC | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | so you can develop for raspberry pi with mer platform sdk | 15:24 |
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| elfio | awesome | 15:25 |
| elfio | the college doesn't left me too much time... | 15:25 |
| elfio | I started learning C++ a few weeks ago | 15:26 |
| elfio | and I had to left | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | so glad i'm done with studies :P | 15:26 |
| elfio | yah | 15:27 |
| elfio | yeah | 15:27 |
| elfio | do you know something about boot to gecko? | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, their base system (gonk) is android derived | 15:27 |
| timoph | do we already have cross compilers in the sdk repos? | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: http://repo.ci.merproject.org/repos/Core:/armv7hl/Core_armv7hl/i586/ , wasn't in 0.20120209.1 | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | get -binutils and -gcc | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | that repo is -not up to date though- | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | we have i486 gcc now | 15:28 |
| timoph | ok | 15:28 |
| elfio | why any device a little different that rise up has a android derivate OS? | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | elfio: because the gnu/linux world fucked up and was too fragmented | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | simple as that | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | we're trying to fix that with mer | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | meego would have succeeded but didn't understand their place in the world | 15:31 |
| elfio | and mer is ver far of android kernel? | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | it's two different system types, but can utilize android kernels | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | don't mistake android and android kernel, though | 15:32 |
| timoph | so. in theory I should be able to do sb2-init using nemo n950 image and the cross gcc | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: correct | 15:34 |
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| Stskeeps | in practice you need to chown -R and chmod -R u+w a bit | 15:34 |
| elfio | If i'm right, mer is a kernel, isn't it? | 15:34 |
| * timoph has ambitious goal of compiling c hello world | 15:34 | |
| Stskeeps | elfio: not really.. so, there's the linux kernel, which runs on top of hardware, then on top of kernel there is a thing called userland | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | which is all the software you normally use | 15:35 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: maybe I'll just chown the whole n950 rootfs | 15:35 |
| Tm_T | timoph: oh, that's tricky | 15:35 |
| timoph | :) | 15:35 |
| elfio | and where is mer | 15:36 |
| elfio | ? | 15:36 |
| elfio | if it isn't is a kernel | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | mer is a userland, but architectural wise it's a piece, a 'core' that you add a hardware adaptation (a linux kernel for a device like n900, software to support the device) and a UI (plasma active, handset, IVI interfaces, whatever) to | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | and the end result is a working device OS | 15:37 |
| elfio | ok | 15:37 |
| elfio | I understand now | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | kind of like how for example b2g is actually gonk (their modified android core without android UI) + gecko + their ui apps | 15:38 |
| Tm_T | Stskeeps: one would call Mer as "userland base to build on to" or something | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | Tm_T: we really have to do a video demonstrating.. i was thinking it was a good excuse to buy lego blocks for | 15:38 |
| Tm_T | Stskeeps: my excuse for buying lego blocks is my daughter (:) | 15:39 |
| timoph | mindstorms. robots make everything better. ones with lasers double so | 15:39 |
| elfio | any idea about a mobile with mer that would to be in market in the next few months? | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | elfio: the thing is that people can work on this without mer even knowing | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | but in next few months? too short time to market from mer start i think | 15:40 |
| lbt | afternoon | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon lbt | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | core-in-git enabled mds taking shape | 15:42 |
| elfio | well | 15:43 |
| elfio | then android is my option | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | yep, that's the sad state of the market at the moment | 15:43 |
| * lbt is looking to provide a _src file which can be used to get src from git:branch:sha1 or pristinetar:label or any other mechanism | 15:44 | |
| elfio | I'll keep trying next times I'll have to buy a phone | 15:44 |
| elfio | :p | 15:44 |
| elfio | good luck guys | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 15:46 |
| elfio | I'm sure you are doing a good work | 15:46 |
| elfio | thanks for all | 15:46 |
| elfio | :D | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | you're always welcome to help ut :) | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | out | 15:46 |
| elfio | ;) | 15:46 |
| elfio | ok | 15:46 |
| elfio | bye! | 15:46 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: can you please bash the-boss around the head so it doesn't reconnect every 30 minutes? | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | every 7 minutes now | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | it's getting fairly annoying | 15:50 |
| lbt | it's not supposed to do that | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | i would certainly hope so | 15:51 |
| lbt | :) | 15:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, code break: caching packages-git on my laptop.. | 15:57 |
| lbt | I think it's because it was banned on #harmattan | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 15:58 |
| timoph | hmmh. I'm missing something | 16:00 |
| timoph | ah. qemu might help :) | 16:01 |
| timoph | double hmmh | 16:04 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: FYI it's being oom'ed because /lib/udev/net.agent has gone mad | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: qemu-usermode, not -static | 16:06 |
| timoph | ah | 16:06 |
| timoph | cannot execute arm-dynamic either | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 16:10 |
| timoph | it seems to want a dynamically linked qemu | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | installed qemu-usermode from 0.20120209.1 repo? | 16:12 |
| timoph | via sdk zypper | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and /usr/bin/qemu-arm-dynamic eists? | 16:13 |
| timoph | yes | 16:14 |
| timoph | file says it is dyn linked | 16:14 |
| timoph | so something else is wrong | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | show me rror/cmd line? | 16:15 |
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| timoph | a sec | 16:16 |
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| timoph | http://pastie.org/3512331 | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | full path | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | /usr/bin/blah | 16:17 |
| * timoph tries | 16:17 | |
| timoph | at least it stated doing something now | 16:18 |
| timoph | ok. Now I need to add devel stuff into the n950 image | 16:21 |
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| Stskeeps | rm var/lib/rpm/__* inside n950 image and sb2 -m obs-rpm-install rpm --rebuilddb | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | well, k | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | you can zypper within it too, without -m obs-rpm-install | 16:25 |
| timoph | ok | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | (i think) | 16:26 |
| timoph | whines about lock and read only fs | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | show me | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 16:33 |
| timoph | http://pastie.org/3512433 | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | okay, cd into the place you sb2-init'ed | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | which should have been the root of the fs | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | ie, n950 s | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | fs | 16:35 |
| timoph | ok | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | also, sb2 -m obs-rpm-install -R rpm --rebuilddb | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | (-R means use root) | 16:35 |
| timoph | ah | 16:35 |
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| Stskeeps | you -might- have to edit /usr/share/scratchbox2/modes/obs-rpm-install to add 'zypper' in the usr_bin | 16:41 |
| timoph | 'sb2 -eR zypper ref' works | 16:42 |
| timoph | I was missing the e | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | ah, -e is emulate | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | ie no fast tools | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | but that works too if the rpm db matches | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | ie, do -eR rpm --rebuilddb too | 16:43 |
| timoph | ack | 16:43 |
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| timoph | seems that the emulated env works for me but not the fast one | 16:46 |
| timoph | i.e. "sb2 -e gcc hello.c -o test" works | 16:46 |
| timoph | test: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV) | 16:47 |
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| Stskeeps | sb2 -m obs-rpm-build | 16:57 |
| timoph | /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-ld: cannot find crti.o: No such file or directory | 17:03 |
| timoph | quessing I'm missing some package | 17:04 |
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| * timoph sauna -> | 17:09 | |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, first version uploading now. I need to also package https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/tree/master/mkimage | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: ok cool | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: set CONFIG_BCM2708_L2CACHE=y while you're at it (previously # CONFIG_BCM2708_L2CACHE not set) | 17:58 |
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| vgrade | k | 18:00 |
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| crevetor | Hello | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | lo crevetor | 19:08 |
| crevetor | I have a strange build error on OBS. My package needs my kernel-devel package so it tries to install it an I get this : | 19:09 |
| crevetor | [4/109] installing kernel-touchpad-2.6.35-52.9 | 19:09 |
| crevetor | error: unpacking of archive failed on file /boot/System.map-2.6.35-palm-tenderloin;4f526885: cpio: mkdir failed - Permission denied | 19:09 |
| crevetor | error: kernel-touchpad-2.6.35-52.9.armv7hl: install failed | 19:09 |
| crevetor | This package used to build ok :( | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: yeah, it's a bug caused by our switch to SB2 | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 19:09 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: is there a fix ? | 19:09 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: I have a working Mer/PA2 image on my touchpad :) | 19:10 |
| crevetor | I just need to fix a touchscreen issue | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | %attr(555,root,root) /boot | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | you see that permission? | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | that's -r-xr-xr-x | 19:10 |
| crevetor | In what package is that ? | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | filesystem | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | and as root, you can write into r-x directories | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | you can't as a user | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | as the builds are run as with sb2 | 19:11 |
| crevetor | So waht's the fix ? | 19:12 |
| crevetor | Cause a kernel package will always have to write to /boot | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | i can give you a workaround, hang on | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | crevetor: osc -A http://api-ci.tspre.org linkpac Mer:fake:Core:i586 filesystem YOUR_OBS_PROJECT_WITH_KERNEL_IN_IT | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | crevetor: osc -A http://api-ci.tspre.org co YOUR_OBS_PROJECT_WITH_KERNEL_IN_IT filesystem | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | cd YOUR_OBS_PROJECT*/filesystem | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | rm * in it | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | git init . | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | git fetch http://review.merproject.org/p/mer-core/filesystem refs/changes/40/440/1 && git checkout FETCH_HEAD | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | verify the latest change in .changes is from today | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | osc commit -m "Fix" | 19:15 |
| crevetor | Ok | 19:16 |
| crevetor | I'll try that later | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | this overrides the 'filesystem' package | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | cool that you have PA up btw | 19:18 |
| crevetor | Thanks :) | 19:35 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: when will the package be rebuilt the relaxed permissions ? | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: i think we'll first get it in the one 14 days after last tuesday | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | (sadly) | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | so you'll have to work around it for now | 19:41 |
| crevetor | ok | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | we could have caught it in prerelease but noone reported it there :P | 19:42 |
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| Gevatter | hi there | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | hello Gevatter :) | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | welcome - so what brings you here? | 19:49 |
| Gevatter | waiting for several downloads and I wanted to see the progress on mer | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's moving nicely ahead, we're releasing, Platform SDK has begun releasing too, etc | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | being used in a lot of different places | 19:52 |
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| Gevatter | nice, is there an image already available? | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | there's plenty around the place, since Mer is just a core, it combines with a hardware adaptation and a UI. so you can find random images ranging from Nemo (handset UI) for Nokia N900, built on top of Mer, or Plasma Active on X86, etc | 19:53 |
| Gevatter | can I find the links on the wiki? | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace is a good sart | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | start | 19:54 |
| Gevatter | ah yes, found them | 19:54 |
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| Stskeeps | where do you hope to use Mer? | 19:55 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: Am I supposed to be able to access http://api-ci.tspre.org ? | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: oh damnit | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: i mean osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com naturally :) | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | weekend brain getting to me | 19:59 |
| Gevatter | probably on exopc and n900 | 19:59 |
| crevetor | :) ok | 19:59 |
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| Stskeeps | Gevatter: two very well supported targets | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | should try out nemo on exopc | 20:01 |
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| Gevatter | unfortunately not supported by hardware developer... somhow outdated | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | i have a exopc and nemo runs quite well on it | 20:02 |
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| vgrade | a very timely workaround for /boot, thanks | 20:08 |
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| Eren | hi folks | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | evening eren | 20:12 |
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| Eren | dm8tbr: qrv? | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | ouch, bad train crash in poland | 20:39 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: thanks for the tip it worked. | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114883,11278789,Wykoleil_sie_pociag_Intercity_z_Krakowa_do_Warszawy_.html | 20:43 |
| dm8tbr | :/ | 20:44 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: is there a nice way to modify a systemd service through packaging ? I want to add a dependency to uxlaunch.service | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: look at the n900 adaptation | 20:46 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: rp.pl paints a different picture. but I wouldn't count on media accuracy at this point. | 20:47 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: thanks | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: yeah, though we're seeing images on tv that shows a completely twisted wagon | 20:47 |
| dm8tbr | :( | 20:48 |
| * dm8tbr tries to find a webstream of tvp-info or somesuch | 20:48 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah, watching tvn24 atm | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.tvn24.pl/ | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | same image we see | 20:49 |
| dm8tbr | grrrr, I need to establish a proxy in poland... tvn gives me a paywall for livestream | 20:50 |
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| dm8tbr | (or simply get my sat dish working again) | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | i must say VoD is pretty good here in .pl, compared to danish offerings when i left | 20:51 |
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| Stskeeps | evening jstaniek | 21:03 |
| jstaniek | evening Stskeeps | 21:03 |
| jstaniek | hi * | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | jstaniek: seen the news about the krakow-warsaw train crash? | 21:03 |
| jstaniek | I didnt.. | 21:04 |
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| Stskeeps | is on tvn24 and others at least | 21:04 |
| jstaniek | sad... | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, doesn't look good | 21:06 |
| dm8tbr | I wonder who pulled out the number of 50 injured out of their nose... | 21:07 |
| * dm8tbr expects significant differences | 21:07 | |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. it's a bit interesting at times to observe news coverage/methods/what media's are fastest/etc | 21:12 |
| dm8tbr | one of the pages cites someone from emerg dispatch as the source for the 50 ppl. knowing a bit about emergency services myself, that doesn't need to say anything about the quality of this info. | 21:16 |
| dm8tbr | it can be that the 50ppl is a number they got from the first caller and keep repeating it. or a 'estimate' based on the size of train/situation description. | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | was warsaw-krakow & przemysl-warsaw crashing | 21:17 |
| dm8tbr | uh, so two passenger trains :/ | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | looks really really bad, in a 120km/h zone too | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | think i'll watch the news a bit, bbl | 21:20 |
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| djszapi | anybody having any ideas for this ? http://paste.kde.org/432860/ | 21:35 |
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| Stskeeps | sure it takes deb and not debian/control? | 21:36 |
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| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/432866/ | 21:39 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/432872/ | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | not sure | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 21:41 |
| djszapi | sleep well | 21:42 |
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| crevetor | haha usable PA2 on HP Touchpad :) | 22:11 |
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| vgrade | crevetor, nice | 22:28 |
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| crevetor | vgrade: thanks :) | 23:19 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Anyone know if there is an identified release manager for Tizen yet? | 23:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Easier to tell what's going on with mer . . . | 23:37 |
| vgrade | Alison_Chaiken, \o | 23:39 |
| vgrade | I stopped looking at both #meego and #tizen sometime ago but still subscribe to the tizen mailing list | 23:40 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Best way to find out what's going on with Tizen is to ask here. | 23:40 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'm getting one message after another about kerneloops. Maybe it's time for a reboot, eh? | 23:40 |
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| vgrade | we had dinner at FOSDEM with Dawn after her session and the impression was that there was still lots of talking going on between samsung and intel | 23:44 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'm not encouraged so far by what I hear about Intel-Samsung collaboration. | 23:45 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Those who fail to learn from history . . . | 23:45 |
| vgrade | what we've seem released so far is only Samsung and the ARM build is broken | 23:46 |
| vgrade | Mer is what I hoped MeeGo was going to be | 23:46 |
| crevetor | same here | 23:50 |
| crevetor | mer is the way to go | 23:50 |
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