Saturday, 2012-03-03

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* Stskeeps looks around05:39
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timophsee anything interesting?05:52
timoph(morning)05:53
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Stskeepsneed coffee, for ure06:00
Stskeeps:P06:00
Stskeepssure06:00
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Stskeepstimoph: so what's on your hacking schedule?06:27
timophshould be free later in the afternoon06:29
Stskeepsah, i was wondering about what you're brewing on :)06:29
* Stskeeps sips coffee06:30
* timoph waits people visiting us to wake up06:31
timoph(sitting in the kitchen)06:31
Stskeepswe're going looking at a apartment today but besides that i'll be hacking most of the day06:31
Stskeepsprobably looking deeper into the cross stuff06:31
Stskeepsand re-reviewing all submissions to mer06:32
timophcool. I'll try to be around06:32
timophshould take a spin of the sdk and see what works, potential pitfalls, etc.06:33
timoph(and argue with lbt ;))06:33
Stskeeps:nod:06:33
Stskeepsi changed cross compilers into being i486, so that's a step ahead for sb2 stuff06:34
timophso what's still missing there to be able to take for example the n950 rootfs, do sb2 init for it and start building stuff?06:36
Stskeepsnot much, really06:36
Stskeepswe can walk together it with lbt later today perhaps06:36
timophI'd like that06:36
Stskeepshttp://pastie.org/3436021 was a proof of concept i did06:37
timophnice06:38
* timoph hears people getting up06:39
timophneed to go. let's get back to this later today06:40
Stskeepscya06:44
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Stskeepswth07:23
Stskeepswhy doesn't qt require libjpeg07:24
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kimitakewhich repository should I add to install libqt-devel for nemo x86?07:35
Stskeepskimitake: mer core should have it07:36
kimitakeoh, I found it07:37
kimitakeyesterday I tried to install to plasma active on mer, but I cound't...07:37
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Stskeepsyou probably have to use the platform sdk and .ks files07:55
* Stskeeps discovers http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-quality-assurance/handset-ux-tests/trees/master07:57
Termanamorning07:59
Stskeepsit's almost depressing walking through the old meego wiki pages08:01
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Stskeepsmorn araujo08:02
TermanaStskeeps, why?08:03
Stskeepswell, so many good initiatives, ideas, documentation, etc08:04
araujoStskeeps, morning o/08:04
* Stskeeps ponders how to backup them all08:07
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TermanaIs the MeeGo wiki being turned off?08:17
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Venemogood morning :)08:22
TermanaVenemo, morning08:23
StskeepsTermana: eventually08:24
Stskeepskulve: re systemd, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=nokia-n900-configs&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN90008:26
Stskeepsif you want to write up a wiki page about that you're welcome, too08:26
Stskeepscheck .spec and .service08:27
kulvethanks. I guess I still need to figure out how to run that before uxlaunch. I think nokia-n900-configs.service doesn't do that. IIRC they are both WantedBy=multi-user.target08:32
Stskeepssec08:33
Stskeepshttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=ti-omap3-sgx&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN9xx-common08:33
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kulveah, that looks exactly what I'm looking for (although now that it reads there, it might have been so that the uxlaunch is actually wanted by graphical.target and therefore that wouldn't be neccessarily run before it. But if that ti-omap3-sgx works, I'm sure I'll just follow it :)08:38
kulvebut I'll try it out on monday morning08:39
Stskeepsyeah, just telling you while i remember08:39
kulveand thanks for that because now I have something to move on immediately when I get back to the office :)08:41
lbtmornings08:45
lbt(one each)08:45
Stskeepsmorn lbt08:45
Stskeepslbt: MDS is on my schedule for today, but first after 12 my time08:45
lbtOK - I'm going to finish updating the SDK images first08:46
Stskeepsk08:47
Stskeepsand timoph was up for a sb2 brainstorm later today08:47
Stskeepsnot sure when you're off out08:47
lbtOK08:47
lbtno, I'm not sure ... 'afternoon'08:47
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* Stskeeps glances at OMAP508:49
Stskeepswonder how you would leverage a omap5 (two cortex-a5, two mmu-less cortex-m4) in mer08:50
lbtdid you see the LWN article on that (or similar soc)08:51
lbtcan't recall if that's the one I did a link for08:52
kulvewell, omap4 has 1-4 A8s and two M3s. I guess the OMAP5 has just a bit more power in it?08:55
kulveA9s08:55
kulveStskeeps: or are you saying you have one on your desk? :)08:57
lbtI was thinking of this article about the big.LITTLE ?  https://lwn.net/Articles/482344/08:57
kulveI think the odd(?) part of the big.LITTLE design is that at least for still a while, half of the CPUs will be unused at all times08:59
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kulveif I can't do video encode on RPi I guess I need to use my OMAP3 gumstix for that. And in that case I could provide the HW adaptation layer publicly for it. But that's not current yet09:03
Stskeepskulve: none on my desk but it's hot a bad idea to think ahead when thinking about mer architecture09:04
Stskeepser, not09:05
kulvesure. I would be happy to hear any wild ideas about leveraging it :)09:05
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djszapimorning10:43
djszapiI am getting an interesting error for my package: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=libkdeedu&project=home%3Adjszapi%3AKDE-Devel&repository=Project_KDE_Devel_CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl10:44
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djszapithe webinterface is, at least, strange to now show the underscore character in the Source0 fied.10:47
djszapis/fied/field/10:47
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Stskeepsit's not $ it's %{}11:09
djszapitrue, it was a copy paste line from Arch.11:10
djszapiseems they have different syntax. I think Arch uses bash syntax.11:10
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djszapithanks.11:11
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djszapimmh, it also seems it is better to surround the source name with quotes.11:13
Stskeepsprobably, yeah11:13
vgradelbt, ping11:20
lbtpong11:20
vgrademorning, i'm looking at, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step#Make_a_kernel_package11:20
lbtOK11:20
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vgradeNote, we're using the name '-sample' here - you shouldn't change this just yet unless you know what you're doing.11:20
lbtright11:21
vgradeI want to create a -raspberrypi11:21
* lbt wonders why he said that...11:21
vgradebut don't know what im doing11:21
lbtthere was a good reason...11:21
lbtwell, this is good ... my first RasPi mentoring :)11:22
lbtlet me just hit save on a few things...11:22
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lbtI'm rebuilding the SDK - but it's so iterative11:23
vgradeI can do this anytime11:23
vgradejust did not want to create a -raspberrypi without checking11:23
lbtno, it's good to get thing started11:25
lbtwe need a namespace on the wiki11:25
lbtcobs project area11:25
lbtand a shared HA is sane11:25
djszapiAre there any helper scripts to convert the debian install files into relevant rpm content ?11:28
djszapiso which files to put into a certain package.11:28
lbtvgrade: I think the only thing you need to do is make an OBS project called kernel-adaptation-raspi11:28
lbtor whatever11:28
djszapiit would help a lot from, for instance, with Harmattan to Mer migration.11:29
lbtthe text "-sample" is processed by macros in the rpm and used  as the %{kernel_target_hw}11:29
lbtdjszapi: not aware of any - there may be a deb2spec in the spectacle package?11:30
lbtvgrade: I think I just didn't want people creating random kernel adaptations from a project called '-sample' :)11:31
lbtvgrade: so try that and we'll see11:32
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vgradeok, thanks11:33
vgradeI'll make some note as I go11:33
* Stskeeps finishes eating and starts hacking11:35
vgrademorn Stskeeps11:36
Stskeepsmorn vgrade o/11:36
vgraderandom people at bowling this morning were talking about RaspPi. Seems BBC have been pluggig it in the UK11:38
Stskeepsyeah, quite a fair bit11:38
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lbtmutter ... 2hrs to iterate and test SDK fixes11:52
Stskeepsautomated testing time?11:53
lbtnot sure that's the problem ... it's a bit of a tangle11:54
lbtwe had this in MINT11:54
lbtin order to verify something it needs uploading to OBS and building there so it's properly downloaded11:55
lbtthat needs a solid commit and changelog entry11:55
lbtand when you have a couple of packages you end up commit/push/amend/push/amend/push11:56
lbtsome automation and a better definition of Testing and Devel/Hackspace would help11:56
Stskeeps:nod:11:57
lbtlike "hey, mic, zypper, always check home:lbt:branches:<path> before <path>" when looking at repos11:57
lbtanyhow... I think I finalised the SDK (again)11:58
djszapilbt: mmh, there is a deb2spectacle12:03
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lbt:) good12:11
djszapi=)12:12
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Stskeepsi've found my first use of X forwarding in 5 years. ssh -X'ing to my media center and loading up grooveshark under remote firefox14:15
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Stskeepsvgrade: how's kernel coming along?14:43
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Stskeepshello elfio14:58
elfioHi there14:58
Stskeepswelcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?14:59
elfioI though I was here before :p14:59
elfioI was wondering about the actual state of mer14:59
elfioanyone use mer for their phones?14:59
Stskeepsyeah, it runs fine on N900/N950/N914:59
Stskeepsand you're right, you were here before :)15:00
elfiohaha15:00
elfioDo you remember me?15:00
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Stskeepsmy logs do ;)15:00
elfioyuju15:01
elfiohah15:01
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elfioso15:01
StskeepsMer is currently used in Nemo and Plasma Active projects and other companies, did you see the Spark?15:01
Stskeepshttp://makeplaylive.com/15:01
elfioI did it15:01
elfioI'm going to buy a smartphone15:01
Stskeepsso we're proving to be a good core so far :)15:01
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elfioand I would like it comes with a true linux OS15:02
elfioI don't trust android a lot15:02
elfioany advice?15:03
elfioas far as I know there's no phone with tizen or Boot to Gecko15:03
elfioand even in this case, I'm not sure about them15:03
* timoph thinks the N9 has the closest thing to a true linux stack currently in the shops15:04
elfiome too15:04
elfiobut the N9 is very expensive for me15:04
elfiomy only option right now is a Geeksphone Zero15:05
elfiowhich comes with a CyanogenMod15:05
elfiorom15:05
Stskeepselfio: or if you're daring, the GTA0415:07
Stskeepsbut that's more expensive than a n915:07
timophdo they still sell/make neo freerunners?15:08
elfiowell15:08
Stskeepstimoph: well, casing is possible to buy15:08
elfioI think the GTA04 is a developer mobile15:08
Stskeepsit is15:08
elfioisn't it?15:08
elfioI'm not a developer15:09
elfioI'm just a linux user15:09
Stskeepsthough you might argue anything is..15:09
elfioand i would like to have linux also in my phone15:09
Stskeepshopefully one day someone will make a true Mer based mobile15:09
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timophyeah15:09
timophthe spark is a good start15:09
elfiodo you know Geeksphone?15:10
Stskeepsi think i read about it at some point15:10
elfioCyanogen cooks rom for their devices15:12
Stskeeps:nod:15:12
Stskeepsi look forward to the day we treat our mobile devices like we do our PCs, that we can do whatever we want with them :P15:12
elfioand remove all the rubbish15:12
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elfioI hope this day is not so far15:13
* timoph has the latest SDK now installed15:13
elfioso do you use android or anything like that?15:13
elfioI'm a little afraid about my privacy15:14
Stskeepsi don't, i use n900 and n915:14
elfiolucky guy15:14
Stskeepssad part is i haven't actually tried an android phone :P15:14
Stskeepsand when i saw someone using it, i saw "com.android.phone not answering" as a dialog box..15:15
Stskeeps:P15:15
timophI have had one in my hand for something like 3 mins :)15:15
timophI was thinking earlier today of getting one just to see what it's made of15:16
elfiowhere do you get the N950?15:16
timophyou don't15:16
elfioI like that one15:16
timophanymore15:16
elfioso good...!15:16
timophwas only given out to developers15:17
timophthat reminds me.. I broke the screen of mine :/15:17
Stskeepsn950 had it's problems15:17
Stskeepsmine has significant signal problems15:17
timophyeah. I wouldn't call it ready for shops15:18
elfiohow is the N9 as usual phone?15:18
Stskeepsquite good15:18
elfiohave you tried a WP7 or an iPhone?15:18
timophyeah. I miss a physical kb sometimes a bit but otherwise good15:18
Stskeepsi've tries WP715:18
Stskeepsd15:18
timophiphone no, wp7 yes15:19
Stskeepsthough i'd sometimes prefer to run mer instead on it, it doesn't allow you to dive as deepily in hacker-wise as the n900 did15:19
elfioit is good?15:19
Stskeepswp7 has it's merits but not a device for me15:19
timophwp7?15:19
elfioyes15:19
Stskeepsi'm using my free lumia 800 as a experiment by seeing how my wife uses it15:19
timophI use my work sim in it since outlook works on it15:19
timophother than that not really my phone15:20
elfioI'm not a windows's friend, just for cuirous15:20
Stskeepsdoesn't matter.. in practice, what matters is people's experiences15:20
timophyep15:20
Stskeepssomeone said at some point that it's a very little group of people who truly care about OSes, from consumer side15:21
timophoh. sdk repos have sb215:21
Stskeepstimoph: yep15:21
elfiosb2?15:21
elfiowhat's that?15:21
timophscratchbox215:21
Stskeepselfio: we're doing some work on a easy to use kit for developing15:21
timopha cross compilation environment15:21
timophor tool15:21
elfiosomething like a SDK?15:21
Stskeepsyeah, we have a platform SDK15:22
Stskeepsand then over time we'll have a qt creator based SDK15:22
elfiofor Mer?15:22
Stskeepsyes15:22
timophhttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK15:22
elfiothat's nice!15:22
elfiothat's just for x86?15:22
elfiowhat about ARM?15:22
timophthat's where sb2 comes in15:23
StskeepsSDK is for x86, but supports X86, ARM, MIPS..15:23
Stskeepsfor targets15:23
elfiolol15:23
Stskeepstheoretically sdk can run on arm too, but the amount of arm laptops are not big15:23
Stskeeps:P15:23
elfioyou guys are good with tha15:23
elfiothat15:23
elfiowell15:23
elfioI was just thinking about raspberrypi15:24
elfio:p15:24
elfioit looks nice15:24
timophbeen a hot topic lately15:24
Stskeepsyeah, mer runs on there too15:24
elfiosomeday I'll have one15:24
elfiofor HTPC15:24
Stskeepsso you can develop for raspberry pi with mer platform sdk15:24
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elfioawesome15:25
elfiothe college doesn't left me too much time...15:25
elfioI started learning C++ a few weeks ago15:26
elfioand I had to left15:26
Stskeepsso glad i'm done with studies :P15:26
elfioyah15:27
elfioyeah15:27
elfiodo you know something about boot to gecko?15:27
Stskeepsyeah, their base system (gonk) is android derived15:27
timophdo we already have cross compilers in the sdk repos?15:27
Stskeepstimoph: http://repo.ci.merproject.org/repos/Core:/armv7hl/Core_armv7hl/i586/ , wasn't in 0.20120209.115:28
Stskeepsget -binutils and -gcc15:28
Stskeepsthat repo is -not up to date though-15:28
Stskeepswe have i486 gcc now15:28
timophok15:28
elfiowhy any device a little different that rise up has a android derivate OS?15:30
Stskeepselfio: because the gnu/linux world fucked up and was too fragmented15:30
Stskeepssimple as that15:30
Stskeepswe're trying to fix that with mer15:31
Stskeepsmeego would have succeeded but didn't understand their place in the world15:31
elfioand mer is ver far of android kernel?15:32
Stskeepsit's two different system types, but can utilize android kernels15:32
Stskeepsdon't mistake android and android kernel, though15:32
timophso. in theory I should be able to do sb2-init using nemo n950 image and the cross gcc15:33
Stskeepstimoph: correct15:34
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Stskeepsin practice you need to chown -R and chmod -R u+w a bit15:34
elfioIf i'm right, mer is a kernel, isn't it?15:34
* timoph has ambitious goal of compiling c hello world15:34
Stskeepselfio: not really.. so, there's the linux kernel, which runs on top of hardware, then on top of kernel there is a thing called userland15:35
Stskeepswhich is all the software you normally use15:35
timophStskeeps: maybe I'll just chown the whole n950 rootfs15:35
Tm_Ttimoph: oh, that's tricky15:35
timoph:)15:35
elfioand where is mer15:36
elfio?15:36
elfioif it isn't is a kernel15:36
Stskeepsmer is a userland, but architectural wise it's a piece, a 'core' that you add a hardware adaptation (a linux kernel for a device like n900, software to support the device) and a UI (plasma active, handset, IVI interfaces, whatever) to15:36
Stskeepsand the end result is a working device OS15:37
elfiook15:37
elfioI understand now15:38
Stskeepskind of like how for example b2g is actually gonk (their modified android core without android UI) + gecko + their ui apps15:38
Tm_TStskeeps: one would call Mer as "userland base to build on to" or something15:38
StskeepsTm_T: we really have to do a video demonstrating.. i was thinking it was a good excuse to buy lego blocks for15:38
Tm_TStskeeps: my excuse for buying lego blocks is my daughter (:)15:39
timophmindstorms. robots make everything better. ones with lasers double so15:39
elfioany idea about a mobile with mer that would to be in market in the next few months?15:39
Stskeepselfio: the thing is that people can work on this without mer even knowing15:39
Stskeepsbut in next few months? too short time to market from mer start i think15:40
lbtafternoon15:42
Stskeepsafternoon lbt15:42
Stskeepscore-in-git enabled mds taking shape15:42
elfiowell15:43
elfiothen android is my option15:43
Stskeepsyep, that's the sad state of the market at the moment15:43
* lbt is looking to provide a _src file which can be used to get src from git:branch:sha1 or pristinetar:label or any other mechanism15:44
elfioI'll keep trying next times I'll have to buy a phone15:44
elfio:p15:44
elfiogood luck guys15:46
Stskeepsthanks15:46
elfioI'm sure you are doing a good work15:46
elfiothanks for all15:46
elfio:D15:46
Stskeepsyou're always welcome to help ut :)15:46
Stskeepsout15:46
elfio;)15:46
elfiook15:46
elfiobye!15:46
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Stskeepslbt: can you please bash the-boss around the head so it doesn't reconnect every 30 minutes?15:49
Stskeepsok15:49
Stskeepsevery 7 minutes now15:49
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Stskeepsit's getting fairly annoying15:50
lbtit's not supposed to do that15:51
Stskeepsi would certainly hope so15:51
lbt:)15:51
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Stskeepsok, code break: caching packages-git on my laptop..15:57
lbtI think it's because it was banned on #harmattan15:58
Stskeepsprobably15:58
timophhmmh. I'm missing something16:00
timophah. qemu might help :)16:01
timophdouble hmmh16:04
lbtStskeeps: FYI it's being oom'ed because /lib/udev/net.agent has gone mad16:04
Stskeepsokay16:05
Stskeepstimoph: qemu-usermode, not -static16:06
timophah16:06
timophcannot execute arm-dynamic either16:09
Stskeepshmm?16:10
timophit seems to want a dynamically linked qemu16:12
Stskeepsyes16:12
Stskeepsinstalled qemu-usermode from 0.20120209.1 repo?16:12
timophvia sdk zypper16:13
Stskeepsok, and /usr/bin/qemu-arm-dynamic eists?16:13
timophyes16:14
timophfile says it is dyn linked16:14
timophso something else is wrong16:14
Stskeepsok16:15
Stskeepsshow me rror/cmd line?16:15
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timopha sec16:16
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timophhttp://pastie.org/351233116:16
Stskeepsfull path16:17
Stskeeps /usr/bin/blah16:17
* timoph tries16:17
timophat least it stated doing something now16:18
timophok. Now I need to add devel stuff into the n950 image16:21
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Stskeepsrm var/lib/rpm/__* inside n950 image and sb2 -m obs-rpm-install rpm --rebuilddb16:24
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Stskeepswell, k16:24
Stskeepsok16:24
Stskeepsyou can zypper within it too, without -m obs-rpm-install16:25
timophok16:25
Stskeeps(i think)16:26
timophwhines about lock and read only fs16:32
Stskeepsshow me16:33
Stskeeps?16:33
timophhttp://pastie.org/351243316:34
Stskeepsokay, cd into the place you sb2-init'ed16:34
Stskeepswhich should have been the root of the fs16:35
Stskeepsie, n950 s16:35
Stskeepsfs16:35
timophok16:35
Stskeepsalso, sb2 -m obs-rpm-install -R rpm --rebuilddb16:35
Stskeeps(-R means use root)16:35
timophah16:35
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Stskeepsyou -might- have to edit /usr/share/scratchbox2/modes/obs-rpm-install to add 'zypper' in the usr_bin16:41
timoph'sb2 -eR zypper ref' works16:42
timophI was missing the e16:42
Stskeepsah, -e is emulate16:43
Stskeepsie no fast tools16:43
Stskeepsbut that works too if the rpm db matches16:43
Stskeepsie, do -eR rpm --rebuilddb too16:43
timophack16:43
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timophseems that the emulated env works for me but not the fast one16:46
timophi.e. "sb2 -e gcc hello.c -o test" works16:46
timophtest: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV)16:47
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Stskeepssb2 -m obs-rpm-build16:57
timoph/opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-ld: cannot find crti.o: No such file or directory17:03
timophquessing I'm missing some package17:04
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* timoph sauna ->17:09
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vgradeStskeeps, first version uploading now. I need to also package https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/tree/master/mkimage17:53
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Stskeepsvgrade: ok cool17:57
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Stskeepsvgrade: set CONFIG_BCM2708_L2CACHE=y while you're at it (previously # CONFIG_BCM2708_L2CACHE not set)17:58
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crevetorHello19:08
Stskeepslo crevetor19:08
crevetorI have a strange build error on OBS. My package needs my kernel-devel package so it tries to install it an I get this :19:09
crevetor[4/109] installing kernel-touchpad-2.6.35-52.919:09
crevetorerror: unpacking of archive failed on file /boot/System.map-2.6.35-palm-tenderloin;4f526885: cpio: mkdir failed - Permission denied19:09
crevetorerror: kernel-touchpad-2.6.35-52.9.armv7hl: install failed19:09
crevetorThis package used to build ok :(19:09
Stskeepscrevetor: yeah, it's a bug caused by our switch to SB219:09
Stskeepssec19:09
crevetorStskeeps: is there a fix ?19:09
crevetorStskeeps: I have a working Mer/PA2 image on my touchpad :)19:10
crevetorI just need to fix a touchscreen issue19:10
Stskeeps%attr(555,root,root) /boot19:10
Stskeepsyou see that permission?19:10
Stskeepsthat's -r-xr-xr-x19:10
crevetorIn what package is that ?19:11
Stskeepsfilesystem19:11
Stskeepsand as root, you can write into r-x directories19:11
Stskeepsyou can't as a user19:11
Stskeepsas the builds are run as with sb219:11
crevetorSo waht's the fix ?19:12
crevetorCause a kernel package will always have to write to /boot19:12
Stskeepsi can give you a workaround, hang on19:13
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Stskeepscrevetor: osc -A http://api-ci.tspre.org linkpac Mer:fake:Core:i586 filesystem YOUR_OBS_PROJECT_WITH_KERNEL_IN_IT19:14
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Stskeepscrevetor: osc -A http://api-ci.tspre.org co YOUR_OBS_PROJECT_WITH_KERNEL_IN_IT filesystem19:15
Stskeepscd YOUR_OBS_PROJECT*/filesystem19:15
Stskeepsrm * in it19:15
Stskeepsgit init .19:15
Stskeepsgit fetch http://review.merproject.org/p/mer-core/filesystem refs/changes/40/440/1 && git checkout FETCH_HEAD19:15
Stskeepsverify the latest change in .changes is from today19:15
Stskeepsosc commit -m "Fix"19:15
crevetorOk19:16
crevetorI'll try that later19:16
Stskeepsthis overrides the 'filesystem' package19:16
Stskeepscool that you have PA up btw19:18
crevetorThanks :)19:35
crevetorStskeeps: when will the package be rebuilt the relaxed permissions ?19:40
Stskeepscrevetor: i think we'll first get it in the one 14 days after last tuesday19:41
Stskeeps(sadly)19:41
Stskeepsso you'll have to work around it for now19:41
crevetorok19:42
Stskeepswe could have caught it in prerelease but noone reported it there :P19:42
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Gevatterhi there19:49
Stskeepshello Gevatter :)19:49
Stskeepswelcome - so what brings you here?19:49
Gevatterwaiting for several downloads and I wanted to see the progress on mer19:50
Stskeepsit's moving nicely ahead, we're releasing, Platform SDK has begun releasing too, etc19:51
Stskeepsbeing used in a lot of different places19:52
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Gevatternice, is there an image already available?19:52
Stskeepsthere's plenty around the place, since Mer is just a core, it combines with a hardware adaptation and a UI. so you can find random images ranging from Nemo (handset UI) for Nokia N900, built on top of Mer, or Plasma Active on X86, etc19:53
Gevattercan I find the links on the wiki?19:54
Stskeepshttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace is a good sart19:54
Stskeepsstart19:54
Gevatterah yes, found them19:54
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Stskeepswhere do you hope to use Mer?19:55
crevetorStskeeps: Am I supposed to be able to access http://api-ci.tspre.org ?19:58
Stskeepscrevetor: oh damnit19:59
Stskeepscrevetor: i mean osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com naturally :)19:59
Stskeepsweekend brain getting to me19:59
Gevatterprobably on exopc and n90019:59
crevetor:) ok19:59
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StskeepsGevatter: two very well supported targets20:01
Stskeepsshould try out nemo on exopc20:01
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Gevatterunfortunately not supported by hardware developer... somhow outdated20:02
Stskeeps:nod:20:02
Stskeepsi have a exopc and nemo runs quite well on it20:02
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vgradea very timely workaround for /boot, thanks20:08
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Erenhi folks20:11
Stskeepsevening eren20:12
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Erendm8tbr: qrv?20:19
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Stskeepsouch, bad train crash in poland20:39
crevetorStskeeps: thanks for the tip it worked.20:42
Stskeepsdm8tbr: http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114883,11278789,Wykoleil_sie_pociag_Intercity_z_Krakowa_do_Warszawy_.html20:43
dm8tbr:/20:44
crevetorStskeeps: is there a nice way to modify a systemd service through packaging ? I want to add a dependency to uxlaunch.service20:46
Stskeepscrevetor: look at the n900 adaptation20:46
dm8tbrStskeeps: rp.pl paints a different picture. but I wouldn't count on media accuracy at this point.20:47
crevetorStskeeps: thanks20:47
Stskeepsdm8tbr: yeah, though we're seeing images on tv that shows a completely twisted wagon20:47
dm8tbr:(20:48
* dm8tbr tries to find a webstream of tvp-info or somesuch20:48
Stskeepsyeah, watching tvn24 atm20:48
Stskeepshttp://www.tvn24.pl/20:48
Stskeepssame image we see20:49
dm8tbrgrrrr, I need to establish a proxy in poland... tvn gives me a paywall for livestream20:50
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dm8tbr(or simply get my sat dish working again)20:51
Stskeepsi must say VoD is pretty good here in .pl, compared to danish offerings when i left20:51
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Stskeepsevening jstaniek21:03
jstaniekevening Stskeeps21:03
jstaniekhi *21:03
Stskeepsjstaniek: seen the news about the krakow-warsaw train crash?21:03
jstaniekI didnt..21:04
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Stskeepsis on tvn24 and others at least21:04
jstanieksad...21:05
Stskeepsyeah, doesn't look good21:06
dm8tbrI wonder who pulled out the number of 50 injured out of their nose...21:07
* dm8tbr expects significant differences21:07
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Stskeepsyeah.. it's a bit interesting at times to observe news coverage/methods/what media's are fastest/etc21:12
dm8tbrone of the pages cites someone from emerg dispatch as the source for the 50 ppl. knowing a bit about emergency services myself, that doesn't need to say anything about the quality of this info.21:16
dm8tbrit can be that the 50ppl is a number they got from the first caller and keep repeating it. or a 'estimate' based on the size of train/situation description.21:17
Stskeeps:nod:21:17
Stskeepswas warsaw-krakow & przemysl-warsaw crashing21:17
dm8tbruh, so two passenger trains :/21:18
Stskeepslooks really really bad, in a 120km/h zone too21:19
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Stskeepsthink i'll watch the news a bit, bbl21:20
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djszapianybody having any ideas for this ? http://paste.kde.org/432860/21:35
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Stskeepssure it takes deb and not debian/control?21:36
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djszapihttp://paste.kde.org/432866/21:39
djszapihttp://paste.kde.org/432872/21:40
Stskeepsnot sure21:41
Stskeepsbbl sleep21:41
djszapisleep well21:42
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crevetorhaha usable PA2 on HP Touchpad :)22:11
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vgradecrevetor, nice22:28
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crevetorvgrade: thanks :)23:19
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Alison_ChaikenAnyone know if there is an identified release manager for Tizen yet?23:36
Alison_ChaikenEasier to tell what's going on with mer . . .23:37
vgradeAlison_Chaiken, \o23:39
vgradeI stopped looking at both #meego and #tizen sometime ago but still subscribe to the tizen mailing list23:40
Alison_ChaikenBest way to find out what's going on with Tizen is to ask here.23:40
Alison_ChaikenI'm getting one message after another about kerneloops.    Maybe it's time for a reboot, eh?23:40
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vgradewe had dinner at FOSDEM with Dawn after her session and the impression was that there was still lots of talking going on between samsung and intel23:44
Alison_ChaikenI'm not encouraged so far by what I hear about Intel-Samsung collaboration.23:45
Alison_ChaikenThose who fail to learn from history . . .23:45
vgradewhat we've seem released so far is only Samsung and the ARM build is broken23:46
vgradeMer is what I hoped MeeGo was going to be23:46
crevetor same here23:50
crevetormer is the way to go23:50
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