Thursday, 2012-03-01

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Alison_ChaikenMy soon-to-be-Mer Archos tablet has shipped but not arrived yet.05:33
Alison_ChaikenI am so eager to get it . . . how eager?05:33
Alison_ChaikenI am so eager that I finished working on my taxes today so that I won't have to do it after the unit arrives.05:33
Alison_ChaikenDoing U.S. taxes is horrible, as bad as being forced to read documentation using the "info" command.05:34
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timophluckily we have prefilled tax forms/tax proposals in Finland. I have never needed to change anything in it05:40
* Stskeeps yawns05:55
Stskeepsfirst day being out of work in 7.5 years and still i wake up at 6.30..05:56
iekkuStskeeps, old dog with old habbits?06:01
iekkui just started new day in new life06:02
iekkuand my phone works still06:02
* Stskeeps (still) needs coffee06:03
iekkuhaven't got new sim card yet, just waiting when the current is shut down06:03
Stskeepswill you have new phonenumber?06:04
iekkuno, keeping the old one06:04
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timophiekku: so your divorce with ixonos is now final?06:06
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iekkuwaiting for the rest of my money... but i don't have any responsibilities for ixonos06:07
timophsounds like a typical divorce to me06:09
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Alison_ChaikenAll of you guys are changing jobs, iekku and Stskeeps/06:19
Alison_ChaikenOops, ?06:19
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: yeah, many are - it's big exit day for many nokia projects06:20
Alison_ChaikenSo far my self-employment looks promising although it's not about to make me rich.06:20
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: i'm a consultant so i just need to find new gigs06:20
Alison_ChaikenYeah, I heard from qgil and others in Sunnyvale that January and February were the end of the line for them.06:20
Alison_ChaikenIncredible that new Nokia ultracamera phone is Symbian.    I thought Elop was going to take charge of that company . . .06:21
iekkui was subcontractor and knew that my project will end, so i made my moves. good time to do that, ixonos shows the front door for over 30% of people in my department06:21
wmarone_Alison_Chaiken: he did, just not the way people had hoped06:21
Alison_ChaikenHere in California the job market is jumping.06:21
Alison_ChaikenThe market was never bad, and now it's really hot again.06:22
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: there was a funny quote in one of the articles.. chose symbian because they could actually modify the camera app to their needs06:22
Alison_ChaikenU.I. people, sysadmins, network stack are all in high demand.06:22
Stskeepseither way, 2012 looks to be an interesting year ahead06:22
Alison_ChaikenTons of Android work too.06:22
Stskeepscompared to 201106:22
Alison_ChaikenI have two new contracts almost for sure and a third (on ARM! yay) likely, so I'm optimistic.06:23
iekkuin finland there's huge amount of new small companies06:23
Alison_ChaikenWith Nokia meltdown, Helsinki will be next Silicon Valley, as so many smart people will be set adrift.06:24
Stskeepson the meego summit in tampere (i think) i was in a panel and it was about consequences for finland after feb1106:24
Stskeeps.. and i thought it was actually the best thing that could have happened for finland -- because so many companies are no longer tied to nokia's slowness in innovation or tied to their products06:25
Stskeepsand many talents, too06:25
Stskeepswhich is needed in the kind of technology world we're approaching06:25
iekkuand old nokia people have now posibility to try their wings06:25
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: does your consulting business have a homepage yet?06:27
Alison_ChaikenI agree, in the long run the Nokia destruction will help Finland.   Let 1000 flowers bloom.06:27
Alison_Chaiken , Stskeeps.06:27
Alison_ChaikenKind of primitive still.    Getting too much work to obsess over web page!06:28
Alison_ChaikenAnyone here use gpsd on mer?   dm8tbr, anyone using built-in Archos 101g9 GPS with mer?06:29
Stskeepsthe idea is over time to have a list of vendors (consultancies, UI projects, hackers, companies, hardware integration) surrounding Mer as well on the merproject page06:29
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: i think Simon from Arcom-IVI was looking into it06:29
Alison_ChaikenArcom, hmm, I'll look them up.06:30
Stskeepshe's actively prototyping qt-based IVI interfaces on top of Mer06:30
Stskeepsand was the navit maintainer in meego06:30
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: are you on the mer mailing list?06:32
Alison_ChaikenI should sign up for mer mailing list, Stskeeps.    Then I'd just need to read it . . .06:33
Alison_ChaikenBut meego ones are dead now, so I guess I need more.06:33
Alison_ChaikenIs there an archive of old messages on merproject page?06:33
Stskeeps ,
Stskeepssearch for "IVI group interest" on there06:34
Stskeepsit's a bit higher volume than meego mailing lists as we actually work in the open :P06:34
Alison_ChaikenAh yes. I'm on it.06:35
* Stskeeps flashes his n9 after 'clear device' decided to nuke it instead..06:36
Stskeepslbt: did you toy with webui-ci last night?06:40
Stskeeps(i have a bunch of 503 service unavailable)06:45
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niqtStskeeps: what it should do a company that would support mer?07:23
Sage_Stskeeps: is the static repo in COBS against older mer core still up? just wondering why the i586 buid is getting blocked messages07:25
Stskeepsniqt: moment (talking to my father)07:29
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Stskeepsniqt: many different ways.. in the future, we will have a non-profit you can donate to us to have servers, or you can contribute contributors working on the code, etc07:40
StskeepsSage_: the one we set up for mdfe should be there07:41
jukkaeklundis plasma active arm still broken?07:45
* Stskeeps tries to resurrect his n907:46
Sage_jukkaeklund: still?07:46
Sage_I have it running on panda, it is about 2 weeks old thing but still it is running07:47
jukkaeklundstskeeps, whats wrong with it?07:47
jukkaeklundSage_, I don't know just remember seeing was it vgrade mentioned07:47
Stskeepsjukkaeklund: "clear device" caused it to want a reflash07:47
Sage_Stskeeps: btw, I hope you gave enough time for clear device. It is like 1 hour process and it seems dead in the middle IIRC :)07:47
jukkaeklundstskeeps, yeah that happens..07:47
StskeepsSage_: yes, it rebooted and gave reflash ogo07:48
Sage_ah, :P07:48
jukkaeklundstskeeps, best is to fetch pr1.2 with navifirm and do a real flash07:48
jukkaeklund..or from official place if you have access..07:48
niqtStskeeps:now my main work is to work as an employee, but I also have my own business (along with another member) that I'd like to be involved in the future of Mer, for now the little nemo I do I do for my personal thing07:48
Stskeepsjukkaeklund: yeah, no more official place sadly, navifirm seems like a sane direction07:48
Stskeepsniqt: sure, best way is simply to participate :)07:49
jukkaeklundstskeeps, yeah it works..07:49
jukkaeklundniqt, right, just being around helps :)07:49
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* jukkaeklund looking at archos the real turbo model slipped to April07:50
niqt(coffe break)07:50
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Stskeepsok, replaced flasher with a newer version08:09
Stskeepsseems saner08:09
Stskeepsgrr, yet another reflash notice08:14
Stskeepsdon't tell me i have to install nemo on this thing to get a useful system ;)08:18
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jukkaeklundflasher -f -F file -F emmc_file --erase-mmc=quick should do it08:23
Stskeepsyeah.. let's see08:23
Stskeepstrying PR1.2 now08:23
kulvelbt: I created a new SDK in a new dir and still the same bind mount error. "sudo mount --bind /var/tmp/mic/cache /var/tmp/mic/test/" fails inside SDK and succeeds outside08:24
kulveand btw, does the /tmp inside the SDK have wrong permissions? Should be 1777 but is something else and a normal user can't write in there08:25
Sage_kulve: what version of mic?08:25
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kulvewhatever comes in mer-sdk-i486-chroot-0.20120209.1.tar.bz208:25
Sage_mic --version :)08:25
kulve$ mic --version08:25
kulvebut I'm not running mic..08:25
Sage_oh, ok08:26
kulvewell, I would but I guess it would run that mount command and it fails even without mic..08:26
kulveis there a way to see more exact failure for the mount instead of the typical "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock etc" error?08:28
Stskeeps'dmesg' maybe08:29
kulvenothing there08:29
Sage_return code of the cmd?08:31
kulve32       32     mount failure08:32
kulvenot very verbose :)08:32
kulvewhat should /etc/mtab be? Empty or a link to e.g. /proc/self/mounts?08:35
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* Sage_ ponders why there is such bind mount in the first place08:37
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kulveSage_: see 15:51 (GMT+2) yesterday08:38
kulvethe directories in my test above are just made up while debugging the problem08:38
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kulvethe actual mic error is pasted here yesterday 13:35 GMT+208:40
Sage_oh, ok08:40
Sage_which is the reason why I asked about mic version :)08:41
Sage_mic had mount bug in one of the versions which prevented the useage08:42
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kulvecould it be related to this problem? What could be preventing bind mount inside the SDK when it works outside08:43
Sage_kulve: ^ there should be such mounth anymore :)08:43
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Sage_yum-cache should not be mounted anymore in latest mic git master08:44
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kulveand that was the only bind mount inside mic?08:44
Sage_it was the only that kind of bindmount it seems08:45
Sage_hmmp... might be a bug in mic 0.7git also08:47
kulveshould I try to apply that patch to mic inside my SDK?08:47
kulvelunch break, bbi 30mins08:48
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Stskeepsoh friggen finally, it's booting08:58
lbtmorning all09:01
Stskeepsmorn lbt09:01
sonachmorning lbt:)09:01
lbthey sonach09:01
lbtkulve what kind of fs is /var/tmp/mic09:01
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lbthmm MerBot is up but logsite is down09:07
Stskeepsnew site maybe09:07
Stskeepseither way, i'm sure dm8tbr will look at it when he's awake09:07
Stskeepsi'm logging, anyway09:08
Stskeepsin worst case09:08
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kulvelbt: the last mount was under /tmp and I guess that's a normal directory (and my Ubuntu is running on ext4)09:21
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lbtkulve: just wrapping up a meeting09:24
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* Stskeeps passes dm8tbr the coffee pot09:27
dm8tbrStskeeps / lbt - dns issue, hopefully resolved soon(tm)09:27
Stskeepsif you want a dns for the site, let us know09:27
lbtactually, moving it to a VM would be good09:28
dm8tbrsure, I can add an alias right now09:28
dm8tbrand moving to a VM would then be next09:28
dm8tbractually I think the dns issue just got fixed 10min ago09:29
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Stskeepsirclogs and meetbot?09:31
* lbt adds an s09:32
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lbtmeetbot? does that need a DNS entry?09:32
Stskeepsyes, meeting logs..?09:32
lbtwhat's irclogs then?09:33
Stskeepsirclogs is for #mer irc logs09:33
lbtwhy are they different?09:33
Stskeeps vs
Stskeepsmeetings is meetbot output, logs is general irc los09:34
lbtand you want them on 2 different DNS entries ... I think that's confusing09:34
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Stskeepsi want them on two different DNS entries, yes, they're two different contexts09:35
Stskeepsalso makes for shorter urls09:35
lbtI don't understand why an irc meeting and an irc chat are different enough to warrant 2 DNS entries.09:37
lbtYou also then have to configure them in a more complex way09:37
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lbtwhy make life hard for zero gain09:37
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lbtthe infra is complex enought09:37
Stskeepsso, we've just wasted 5 minutes talking about something that is fairly simple to do. OK, we'll go for your way, it's a waste of both our times to argue about the intricate details of URL naming09:39
Stskeepsi just wanted a one-stop place for looking at mer meeting summaries that's easy to remember and get to09:39
Stskeepssimple as that09:40
lbtyes -
lbtI'd almost say :
lbtdm8tbr: IP ?09:42
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kulvehow can I get a patch out of github conveniently with a browser? I.e. this one:
kulvewell, git clone was easier..09:53
Stskeepslet me know when you find out, i usually resort to checking out the git and git format-patch09:53
lbtkulve: what kernel are you using?09:56
kulvestock ubuntu09:57
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lbt*nod* I don't run ubuntu so I can't just look :)09:57
kulvebut I did do a mic build on tuesday couple of times successfully09:57
lbtthe bind mount failure is very odd09:57
lbt3.0.0-1-amd64  here BTW09:58
kulve64bit here as well09:58
lbtso it's not radically different09:58
lbtI think that's stock debian (or I forgot to add -lbt)09:58
kulvewell, not stock debian stable at least :)09:59
Stskeepslbt: any idea why webui-ci went 503 during last night btw?09:59
lbtI'll look09:59
Stskeepsit's ok now though09:59
Stskeepsit stopped my benchmark, but thank $DEITY it's resumable10:00
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lbtsorry - I kept well away from monster - didn't realise it was using anything over there10:00
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Stskeepswell, it does proxy fwding to webui-ci at least10:01
Stskeepsit's okay, i just wanted to check if it was a 'caused' failure, or breakdown of something10:01
lbtOK - I was trying to get publishing to work for the CI images10:02
lbtlikely a side-effect10:02
lbtnb OUOSL pinged back on hosting ... emailing them10:02
Stskeepsi'm still hacking on sb2 support on top of the new cross stuff10:04
Stskeepssince it's time sensitive10:04
Stskeepsit's quite cool actually, i can do a 'sane' tools chroot10:05
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Stskeepsmorn sledges10:13
sledgesdzień dobry :)10:14
kulvelbt: I tried the original SDK tar ball that Stskeeps pointed me to and that one worked out of the box..10:14
sledgeslbt updated link to but it is broken (only *0.20120209.1.tar.bz2 in there, so a symlink on FS is needed)10:14
Sage_why I am logged out of Mer wiki from time to time?10:16
Stskeepssession timeout maybe10:16
Sage_e.g., after very long page edit (read 45min was at lunch) it complains that I don't have permissions to save the text which is annoying10:17
* sledges was about to clear the context10:18
* sledges taking my words back, it's a see-it-for-yourself link now10:21
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lbtSage_: you need to tick "remember me" when you login10:30
lbtI had the same problem10:30
lbtI think that's what fixed it10:30
lbtsledges: yep - good - makes more sense10:31
lbtkulve: so the sdk here  fails for you?10:31
kulvethis seems to fail: mer-sdk-i486-chroot-0.20120209.1.tar.bz210:32
kulvethis seems to work: mer-sdk-x86-chroot-latest.tar.bz2 (file timestamp "2012-02-28 08:49" GMT+2)10:32
kulvethe latter did fail after upgrading it yesterday10:33
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kulveStskeeps: With the qmlviewer .ks I now have X.Org running with working touchscreen :)10:33
lbtOK - this is a pita but can you do some installs/runs to show me the mount points10:33
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kulveThe Qt logo is half out of the screen though (vertical display)10:33
Stskeepskulve: congrats :)10:34
lbtso install vanilla 'latest' and enter it, do the bind mount and cat /proc/mounts10:34
Stskeepskulve: possibly run qmlviewer maximized10:34
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kulveStskeeps: I'll debug the mount thing a bit now and then continue with the X.Org stuff10:35
lbtthen upgrade the sdk-chroot package10:35
Sage_lbt: I had but still it logged me out it seems.10:35
Stskeepskulve: alright10:35
lbtthen do it again10:35
* Sage_ does it again10:35
lbtoh, nm10:35
lbtI thought there was more detail from alterego there10:35
Sage_Could we get Nemo to Navigation bar on the left to
StskeepsSage_: mm, ideally no, we should make a vendors page instead10:36
kulvelbt: so, this is the latest vanilla: ?10:36
Stskeepsno preferentials10:36
kulveis there a difference between the "x86" and the "i486" or what it just a name change at some point?10:36
lbtkulve: sorry about the naming10:36
Sage_Stskeeps: ok, so what do you mean with that? ?10:36
lbtkulve: you said : this seems to work: mer-sdk-x86-chroot-latest.tar.bz2 (file timestamp "2012-02-28 08:49" GMT+2)10:37
lbtso lets use that one and get mounts when it works10:37
StskeepsSage_: as in that nemo being available in navigation bar would signal it's a preferred project in mer and we can't do that -- the idea is to have a page on that refers to all the actors/vendors involved/using mer10:37
kulvethat one has the version of "mer-sdk-chroot" that doesn't require separate mount/enter/umount parameter10:37
lbtkulve: correct10:38
lbtand it worked :)10:38
Sage_Stskeeps: fair enough. It is just that currently it is too easy to get lost in the wiki :P10:38
StskeepsSage_: agreed10:38
lbtso lets see what changed to break it (but only on ubuntu)10:38
StskeepsSage_: we need to revamp main page and wiki page10:38
kulvelbt: this is the /proc/mounts in there (minus some Windows mounts):
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kulvethe PS1 doesn't work in the old SDK and I got a bit confused when I couldn't log in to the old SDK inside the old SDK..10:49
lbtno, ps1 is a recent improvement10:49
lbtfor pretty much that reason10:50
lbtoh, and the "D'oh I just closed my terminal, not the SDK!" one too10:50
kulveI did earlier manually export PS1="[Mer] $PS1" but forgot it last time. And when you are doing multiple things at the same time, some details tend to forgot ;)10:50
lbthehe ... been there...10:50
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kulvelbt: I managed somehow to miss half of the lines in the above pastie. This is what is was first and also after the upgrade (they are identical except one extra /var/run/shm):
lbtI thought that was small but was waiting for #211:02
kulveand by "after the upgrade" I mean only upgrade, no login/mount/enter. Wait a bit for that one11:03
Stskeeps'su' is the most screwed up tool i've ever met11:03
Stskeepsit doesn't really do anything it claims to11:03
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Stskeeps"preserve environment"11:04
Stskeepsnot working11:04
Stskeeps"run command with args"11:04
Stskeepsnot working11:04
* Stskeeps curses posix and looks over at win32 api11:04
lbtsu -s /bin/bash -l $user -- -c "exec bash --init-file /mer-bash-setup -i"11:04
lbtis how I made something approximating a login11:04
kulvelbt: this is after the logout/mount/enter: (doubled the lines and I guess at least most of them are related to /parentroot)11:05
lbtyes parentroot is now supposed to be a full dupe of /11:05
kulveI didn't try mic after the upgrade and before the logout/mount/enter but at least now after the logout/mount/enter it fails again11:06
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lbtkulve: could you umount, then edit mer-sdk-chroot and comment out the : mount --make-unbindable lines (146, 179)11:24
lbtthen try again11:24
kulveInfo: The new image can be found here:11:28
kulveInfo: Finished.11:28
kulvei.e. works11:28
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slainelbt, ok, I've installed opens use 11.4 on the Dell server11:34
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slaineI setup the drives to be stripe raid and them created an lvm group called build host on the raid device11:34
slaineI then created a 40Gb lvm volume called phost and have that running 11.4, fully updated and I'm ssh'd into it now11:35
lbt11.4 ?11:37
lbtkulve: so removing the make-unbindable worked?11:37
kulvelooks like the Sage_'s libutempter addition failed for armv7 (if I can read the Gerrit right)11:37
slainethe OBS Setup guide indicated that 12.1 wasn't a good idea yet11:37
slaineif you think that's out of date and I should be on 12.1, I can do that now11:37
Stskeepskulve: review fluke11:37
kulvelbt: yes11:38
lbtslaine: it's not crucial11:38
zumbislaine: 12.1 works fine for me11:38
lbtkulve: OK - they work here (and are kinda useful for multiple SDKs)11:38
slaineHmmm, perhaps I should upgrade then, get the better kernel and KVM etc.11:38
kulvelbt: what debian are you running?11:39
lbtslaine: yeah - the OBS VMs will be 11.4 for sure11:39
zumbiobs 2.2.126 also mostly fine11:39
lbtzumbi: we use Mer's OBS now11:39
lbtit has additional patches which we're pushing upstream11:39
kulveis it about the kernel that makes that fail..?11:39
zumbilbt: is that your forked github project?11:40
lbtzumbi: yes11:40
zumbiok, I'll have a look11:40
slaineOk, I'll kick of an update/reinstall now, head to the gym over lunch and start the process again after lunch.11:40
lbtslaine: :)11:40
zumbiI also wonder if anyone is interested on having Debian OBS server packages11:40
lbtzumbi: I wouldn't run them or recommend them11:41
lbtOBS has enough problems - and expecting the devs to support them would be too much11:41
zumbilbt: I know those might need lots of patching.. but..11:41
lbtzumbi: yeah - just being frank about it11:41
lbtyou know I run debian for everything else :)11:42
Stskeepsthere might be some merit to obs worker on debian, however11:42
* sledges compiling iMX lateste X.Org driver agains Mer!
lbtStskeeps: yeah - that's doable11:42
Stskeepsfor testing on equipmnt11:42
zumbiStskeeps: already got debian workers11:42
lbtthat's supported upstream already iirc11:42
zumbilbt: need to change a little bit initscripts11:42
zumbibut code is running11:43
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zumbialso working on generating build chroot with debootstrap (for DEB)11:43
lbtoh I see - I thought you meant as an idea - didn't realise you'd done it *g*11:43
zumbicurrent way to put together build environment for debs is quite hackish11:44
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zumbiI should get obs-worker packages for debian in github I guess11:44
zumbiare far from perfect.. but work11:45
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lbtI think debootstrap would be saner but didn't look at it back then11:45
lbt"it worked" :)11:45
zumbiwhat worked?11:46
lbtdeb builds11:46
lbtkulve: so I'd like to see what exactly the problem was11:46
lbtcould we try a few things when you have a bit11:46
zumbiah! uhmm.. yes, more or less works, but know with multiarch deps (gettext:any) style, it does not11:47
kulveI have a bit11:47
kulveis it really need to mount the $sdkroot to $sdkroot?11:47
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zumbialso now some things are migrating from /var/run to /run, and some postinst break11:47
zumbiusing debian tools is nice, obs devs dont need to maintain the hackish way11:48
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lbtkulve: OK ... so the purpose of that is to permit --make-unbindable11:48
lbtthat only works on mountpoints11:48
lbtsdkroot is unlikely to be a mountpoint11:48
lbtdo doing a bind mount on a random dir makes it one11:49
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lbtnow sdkroot exists in / (obviously11:49
lbtso when we enter an SDK and mount / on parentroot11:49
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lbtwe'd also mount /...sdkroot1 inside sdkroot2/parentroot11:50
lbtwhich is messy11:50
lbtusing --make-unbindable prevents this11:50
sledgeshow can I incorporate the imx kernel source with OBS , so that another package (xorg-x11-drv-imx) can re-use it (it now curses on imx_driver.c:33:25: fatal error: linux/mxcfb.h: No such file or directory) ?11:50
lbtand is the point of it11:50
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Stskeepzsledges: cheat and add a linux/ directory11:53
Stskeepzwith mxcfb in it11:53
sledges8) will do try11:54
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lbtkulve: what's your sdkroot ?11:58
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kulvefuse stuff?11:59
lbtand do you invoke using a full path or are you cd'ed into there?11:59
lbtusing ./11:59
kulvedoes it matter that in ubuntu my $HOME is already a mount point?11:59
lbtcould you cd $HOME and invoke ~/projects/mer/XXXX/mer-sdk-x86-chroot/mer-sdk-chroot <blah>12:00
lbtI hope not but maybe :)12:00
lbt(it really shouldn't)12:00
lbtalso ... for debug12:00
lbtmaybe add echo $sdkroot on line 118 just after it's set12:01
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lbtand then lets try some manual things with --make-unbindable to verify it's not that that changed due to an ubuntu kernel variation or some local setup12:04
* lbt pops out to put coffee on12:04
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kulvesame problem from ~12:07
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Stskeepsgood morning Eren12:07
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Erenmorning Stskeeps12:08
Erenit's midday here, though12:08
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Stskeepsyeah, just UGT :)12:09
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kulvelbt: same behaviour under /usr/local/mer-sdk12:11
kulveStskeeps: what to try out next in my Quest towards Nemo on my secret device? :)12:11
Stskeepskulve: get mer-gfx-tests going12:12
Stskeepswith glestest12:12
lbtkulve: grumble12:13
lbtand it detects sdkroot fine I guess12:13
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lbtOK ... so lets try some manual bind mounts to replicate what it's doing12:14
kulveStskeeps: from where should I get the sgx stuff?12:16
Stskeepskulve: TI sites?12:16
kulvewhat, no sgx packaged in mer? :)12:16
Stskeepswe don't carry hardware adaptations, too much legal hassle and politics12:17
Stskeepskulve: just make sure -> and -> libGLESv2.so12:17
Stskeepsfor SGX type drivers12:17
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kulveand I should try to take them from TI and not from n950 adaptation?12:18
kulveStskeeps: I can't google. Do you happen to have a link to the right TI site..? I've downloaded them numerous times but it seems to be always tricky to find the right place..12:24
Stskeepskulve: perhaps12:26
Stskeepskulve: btw, regarding 'why not just take n950 adaptation' .. you need to port a lot of DSS2 stuff, the sgx driver in kernel, etc12:26
Stskeepsand i don't want to wish that upon anyone12:27
kulveyeah, I don't have time to port anything currently, just to "integrate" :)12:27
kulvehumm, I guess I need to find the TI SGX release matching my kernel..12:28
kimjuso latest drivers are still for 2.6.37?12:30
kulveI think they have release something for 3.x kernels at least for android12:31
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kimjuthe release notes for latest release in that url seems to say .37 for omap, 3.1.0 for am335x12:32
kulveand which one the beagle-xm is..?12:33
kulveStskeeps: I think I might need RN_4_03_00_01 but that doesn't support "X11 support(DRI/DRM Xorg driver)" that does. I guess that's a problem?12:34
Stskeepsmm, might be12:34
Stskeepsisn't there an earlier one?12:34
kulveearlier one..?12:34
Stskeepswell, earlier version that works with x1112:35
kulveRN_4_03_00_02 is the last one tested on 2.6.32 and it doesn't support x11. The very next release do support x11 but only 2.6.3512:36
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Stskeepsi'm not sure about specifics on those kernels, dri2 would be good to have at least12:37
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kulveand the x11 is a must for nemo? It doesn't support wayland yet? Although I'm not really sure what Wayland expects from the OpenGL ES stuff..12:43
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Stskeepsah, that's a deep rabbithole to get into..12:44
Stskeepsfor nemo it's a must, yeah12:44
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Stskeepskulve: says just says it's not validated, not that it's not there12:45
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kulvesame for RN_4_03_00_0212:48
kulve02 notes say e.g.: "[NEW] Included pvr2d.h and wsegl.h in the release package under include folder of Graphics SDK root installtion(public versions – with public headers: (MIT-x license)). Qt users should use the included wsegl.h and pvr2d.h"12:49
Stskeepsqt embedded, that is12:49
slaineRight, 12.1 installed12:50
StskeepsMTF is fairly x11 heavy12:50
kulvewell, 02 is what we are running with android on that thing, so I guess I'll start with 02 anyway12:50
kulveno, we are running 0112:50
kulvewell, still 02 sounds better12:51
kulvetakes ages to download though12:51
kulvelbt: was there some manual mount commands you wanted me to try?12:57
Stskeepskulve: yeah.. TI should really learn something about delivery of sw12:57
lbtI'm working on
lbtI think I've reproduced it here12:58
kulvelbt: ok, just let me know when I can test something :)12:58
lbtmy /var/tmp/mic/cache was a symlink to /parentroot/var/tmp/mic/cache12:58
lbtwhich is, of course, nice12:58
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lbtsince it allows cache sharing12:59
lbtbut it shouldn't be mandatory12:59
lbttry the tests12:59
lbtignore the 2nd test() definition12:59
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lbtthe last one seems to work12:59
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lbtI think the problem is how make-unbindable works13:00
kulveso I cut'n'paste that to a script and run inside the SDK?13:00
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lbtrun it from the host with everything umounted13:00
lbtjust paste into a terminal a few lines at a time13:00
lbtrefresh I removed the dupe definition13:01
kulvehow can you edit the paste?13:01
lbtclick edit?13:01
lbtRHS under the  textbox13:02
kulvewell that was a small link ;)13:02
lbtuseful though :)13:02
lbtso the good news is that I can now see it - thanks for persevering13:02
kulvenp :)13:03
lbt too13:04
lbt-> food13:05
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kulveall those commands passed13:08
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kulveblah. You did select a badly that test() name I suppose13:10
lbtmmm yeah13:15
lbtOK - I think I have a solution13:17
kulvewell, now I got OK for all tests13:18
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lbtyeah, I think we need to make an intermediate dir to act as a block for mount --rbind then mount --bind $sdk $sdk and then make that a normal --private13:20
lbtI'll get onto it...13:20
Stskeepshello __k13:20
Stskeepswelcome - so what brings you here?13:20
__kI'm trying to set up the sdk but i can't sudo inside it13:20
Stskeepswhat error do you get?13:21
__kcomplains it's not suid root, but it is.  looking for clues/help13:21
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__ksudo: must be setuid root13:21
lbtare you using nfs at all ?13:22
Stskeeps__k: is this when sudoing into the sdk, or inside the sdk?13:22
kulvelbt: askin from me? No NFS13:22
__kStskeeps: this is inside the sdk13:22
Stskeeps__k: ls -l /usr/bin/sudo13:23
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__k-rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 69936 Feb 18 23:00 /usr/bin/sudo13:23
Stskeeps__k: that's inside the sdk, i presume13:23
lbtmount  nosuid option?13:24
lbtgrep suid  /proc/mounts13:24
__kyeah =)13:24
__kI have the sdk installed on a removable sd card which my system mounted nosuid =)13:25
__kthank you!13:25
* lbt can check for that too :)13:25
lbtthanks for reporting13:25
lbt__k: we're seeing a problem with mic too so if you hit that I may have a solution13:26
vgradethats also one which used to affect mic2 builds13:26
* lbt really is grabbing food now13:26
__kas I explore this sdk, hopefully soon I will learn what mic is =)13:26
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sledgesStskeeps, now it says /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-ld: cannot find -lz160 even there exists xserver-xorg-video-imx-11.09.01/src/libz160.so13:27
Stskeepssledges: probably a -L needed13:27
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Stskeepslbt: getting somewhere with cross..  -- first preinstall is the host, second preinstall is the armv7l target, first "installing" is host, second is sb2-enabled armv7l target installation13:29
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Stskeepshello Attie13:30
Attiesledges mentioned you were online13:30
Stskeepscolleague of sledges, i presume, yeah :)13:30
sledgeshey my ip should be hidden :)))13:31
sledgeshi Attie13:31
Stskeepssledges: it's obviously not working13:31
StskeepsAttie: so what brings you here, besides sledges?13:32
Attiehow are things?13:32
sledgesI think that's only me for now13:32
Attieoh just sledges at the moment i'm afraid :)13:32
sledgesAttie's working on IVI, that's how it all spun off, some PRs and connections with other companies13:33
sledgesthanks to #mer !13:33
* Stskeeps looks more into cross building13:36
Erenhappy hacking folks13:36
Erensee you later13:36
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sledgesStskeeps, the build worked! how do I get the compiled files out? :)
Stskeepssledges: osc getbinaries , or looking on if you enabled publishing13:44
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sledgesStskeeps, I'm afraid my knowledge ends here :( is empty, and osc getbinaries want REPOSITORY param, which would be empty as well13:48
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Stskeepssledges: osc getbinaries Mer_Core_armv7hl armv8el13:49
Stskeepssure you want armv8el btw?13:49
Stskeepsare those .so's hardfp?13:49
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Stskeepsarmv7hl = hardfp13:50
sledgesyup ( :)13:51
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Stskeepsok, just checking13:52
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__knext: mer wasn't in /etc/sudoers13:59
lbt__k: no, the mer user shouldn't even be there really13:59
lbtbut it doesn't hrt that it is13:59
__klbt: I couldn't sudo until I added him14:00
__kahh my local uid == mer's uid14:01
__kguess it matters who you are14:01
lbt__k: just as an off-chance - does your normal user have a uid of 50014:01
__klbt: yeah =)14:01
lbtyeah - me too14:01
lbtit's a pita - I didn't think it would hit many people14:01
lbtremove the mer user from your /etc/passwd14:01
lbtin the chroot14:01
__kguess on people using the first user on fedora-y systems?14:01
lbtI have a 'proper' fix coming but if it's common then I'll do a quick hack too14:02
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sledgesStskeeps, do check, I'm learning as you remark, not before ;)14:04
kimju500 used to be the first user uid for a long time. most of my systems have it still in use (either upgraded in place or passwd copied over)14:05
lbtkimju: yes, I'm 50014:05
lbt    sed -i -d "/^$mer:/d" ${sdkroot}/etc/passwd14:05
lbtas soon as I figure out how I made my filesystem ro14:06
lbtusing mount --bind and mount --make-* options ... spooky14:06
__karright, mic gave me a bind mounting error14:06
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lbt__k: OK - I know that one14:07
lbtI suggest you mkdir -p /var/tmp/mic/cache in the host14:07
lbtthen in the SDK : rm -rf /var/tmp/mic/cache; ln -s /parentroot/var/tmp/mic/cache /var/tmp/mic/cache14:08
lbtI'll have a fix RSN14:08
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kulveStskeeps: I'm quite unsure if I should compile the kernel modules from the kernel or from the TI release.. The kernel ones doesn't seem to compile without fixes (if even then). And compiling the modules from the TI release seems to be a build hell14:10
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Stskeepskulve: generally i'd advise you to use the kernel drivers the TI release gives you14:11
kulvethe binaries or compile from their sources?14:11
Stskeepseither one works, it's always best to compile form source14:11
kulvewell, I try again. This in-kernel thing looks bad14:12
StskeepsGLES enablement is one of the more difficult things to do but benefits are high14:12
kulvewell, without them you have nothing to show nowadays.14:12
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sledgeshow on OBS to set binaries as publishable ?14:13
Stskeepsin 'repositories' tab14:14
kulveGraphics_SDK_4_03_00_02/GFX_Linux_KM$ make BUILD=debug all14:15
kulvegrep: /opt/oe/stuff/build/tmp/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-omap-2.6.29-r44/git//Makefile: No such file or directory14:15
kulveso nice looking hardcodings all over the place..14:15
sledgesbut the compile yield (binaries) still do not appear in the repo..14:15
kulve(I've never had ångström here, nor 2.6.29 kernel)14:16
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kulveI have to admin I run that in a wrong place but still14:16
Stskeepsisn't there a KERNEL_DIR thing?14:17
kulveyeah, I got those now properly set and now I'm wondering this:14:17
kulvecc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-m64"14:17
kulveand -mno-red-zone, -mcmodel=kernel, -maccumulate-outgoing-args14:18
Stskeepscflags in environment?14:18
StskeepsARCH=arm maybe14:19
kulvethose are not mentioned anywhere in the TI release so I guess they come from the kernel. So maybe the wrong arch then14:20
kulveseems to be. Again following the INSTALL notes too blindly :)14:20
kulvecc1: warnings being treated as errors14:21
kulvethat's never good with TI code ;)14:21
Stskeepseven if they're very ubuntu fixated, linaro is a godsend in wrapping binaries -properly-14:21
Stskeepsand sources14:21
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lbt__k: kulve.... I'm trying to fix the mount issue by adding a requirement that there's a directory called "sdks" which must contain your SDK rootfs14:22
Stskeepssledges: show me your OBS project14:22
Stskeeps(url on web interface)14:22
kulvelbt: doesn't sound that good but I guess it's a better than non-working thing :)14:23
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sledgesfrom build log it looks like it simply does not generate .rpm files14:23
sledgeseverything else passes14:23
lbtkulve: yeah - it's because we need both --make-unbindable and then the / of the sdk must be bindable14:23
Stskeepssledges: as a start your rpm didn't finish building14:23
Stskeepserror: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found: /usr/include/X11/extensions/imx_ext.h /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/imx_drv.so14:24
slaineright, back from lunch14:24
sledgesafter this line it should create RPMs: Checking for unpackaged file(s): /usr/lib/rpm/check-files /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/xorg-x11-drv-imx-11.09.01-14.1.arm14:24
sledgesbut then it just complaints and gives up14:24
kulvelbt: I guess you should then include a sanity check that the SDK actually is in "sdks" directory14:24
lbtwriting it right now14:24
sledgesi forked it from
Stskeepssledges: because you didn't include those two files to packaging in %files section14:24
kulveStskeeps: pvrsrvkm.ko \o/14:25
Stskeepskulve: i first believe it when you insmod/modprobe it succesfully14:25
sledgesStskeeps, specify script did not :) and I took it for granted14:25
slainezumbi: did you get an internal obs up and running on 12.1 following ?14:25
sledgesthank you Stskeeps !14:25
kulveI just had to read the install notes a bit more carefully, remove the Werror and set the proper variables in the right place14:25
kulveStskeeps: ok, just a sec ;)14:25
Stskeepssledges: it doesn't do -everything- for you :>14:25
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sledgesspecify: "I would do anything for build, but I won't do *that*" :))14:28
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kulveStskeeps: it did load pvrsrvkm but I guess I need the omaplfb.ko too and I don't know where that is14:30
Stskeepskulve: should be similar place14:30
kulveStskeeps: there's only pvrsrvkm.ko and bc_example.ko14:31
Stskeepsmaybe it's merged in latest14:32
kulvethere are omap3430 and omap3630 and I'm building the latter one and it looks like the omaplfb stuff is found only for the 343014:33
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sledgesStskeeps, great success! thanks again14:35
slaineright, lbt, 12.1 installed, do I follow the OBS Setup guide as is, or should I replace repo urls from 11.4 to 12.1 ?14:36
lbtlet me check14:37
lbtso 12.1 on the phost14:37
lbtyou now need to make 3 VMs running 11.414:37
lbtwe'll use 1 for the fe/api14:37
lbt1 for the scheduler/srcserver/reposerver etc14:38
lbtand 1 as a worker14:38
lbteventually you'll deploy proper workers14:38
lbtyou may also eventually deploy a proper publisher and possibly a source server (depending on load)14:38
zumbislaine: I started from unstable appliance14:39
lbtfor now this will get you familiar with a production style setup rather than a black box14:39
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kulveStskeeps: how to install tar on the device without network? I copied tar-1.17-1.5.Mer.armv7l.rpm there, but
Stskeepskulve: that's on device?14:40
Stskeepswth :P14:41
Stskeepsrpm --eval '%{arch}'14:41
Stskeepsrpm --eval '%{_arch}'14:41
kulveI should be at home already but I just can stop until I've finished this SGX stuff :)14:42
Stskeepsrpm --eval '%{_target_cpu}'14:42
Stskeepsrpm -qa | grep meego-rpm-config14:43
slainelbt, any recommended urls to follow ?14:43
Stskeepsanyway, just cheat: rpm --ignorearch -i14:43
Stskeepsand report a bug this happened14:43
lbtslaine: to setup a kvm guest?14:43
Stskeepsi've never seen that before14:43
kulvethat rpm-qa said nothing14:43
kulvebut now cheating sounds perferct :)14:43
slaineNo, to setup the fe/api stuff14:43
Stskeepskulve: attach your .ks if possible14:43
slaineor rather, I guess, recommendations for disk allocations is what I'm looking for14:44
kulveStskeeps: I'm pretty sure if was the unmodified qmlviewer.ks14:44
slainefe/api should be XXGB, scheduler should be XXGB etc. etc.14:44
lbtslaine: 6G /   10G /var   2G swap   100G /data14:45
slainefor each vm ?14:46
slainecool, thanks14:46
lbtworkers don't need /data14:46
slaineand use 11.4 for for the vas iirc14:46
slaineoff i go14:46
Stskeepslbt: data.. /srv instead maybe?14:46
Stskeepsjudging by our symlink experiences?14:47
lbtI wondered that14:47
lbtyeah - sure, make it 100G /srv ..... I need a guinea pig :)14:47
slaineI shall I be a guienea pig ?14:47
slaineor however you spell it14:47
slaineright, bbiab14:48
kulveStskeeps: the kernel module loaded but the initialisation failed:14:49
kulvePVR_K: (FAIL) SGXInit: Mismatch in client-side and KM driver build options; extra options present in client-side driver: (0x8000). Please check sgx_options.h14:49
Stskeepskulve: probably debug vs not14:50
lbtkulve: can you try the mer-sdk-chroot from here
kulveStskeeps: good point14:50
* lbt watches the day run off14:50
lbt3pm already...14:51
kulveStskeeps: actually I think I did build debug builds of both..14:52
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kulvelbt: mer-sdk-chroot from seems to work. First complained about the sdks and suggester properly about the mv. And then the mic completed succesfully inside the SDK15:02
* sledges got xorg-drv-imx driver running on imx53 qsb on top of mer and KDE PA2 !15:05
Stskeepsslaine: GLES working yet?15:05
sledgesstill no libGLES support, working on it next.15:05
Stskeepsget 'mer-gfx-tests'15:05
sledgesare there any benchmarks ?15:05
Stskeepsand test with glestest15:05
sledgesStskeeps, we are reading each other minds :)15:06
Stskeepswhen that works, you're ok15:06
sledgesStskeeps, im using qmlviewer -opengl and it segfaults15:06
Stskeepsthat's cos you're using meta, probably15:06
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sledgesStskeeps, what benchmarks i could use to test 2D accel (so i could compare fbdev vs imx first)15:10
slainetimoph: yeah spotted that, exciting stuff15:17
Stskeepssledges: not sure15:19
Stskeepssledges: you'd most likely want imx no matter what15:19
slaineStskeeps: what hardware are you testing the MIPS builds on ?15:19
Stskeepsslaine: atm? qemu15:20
StskeepsMIPS32 should work though15:20
kulveStskeeps: I did a clean install of kernel, TI kernel modules and TI ogles but still it complains about the mismatch. But that's a task for tomorrow15:21
slaineWonder would that MIPS android tablet be any good.15:21
Stskeepsthink rayman is getting one too15:21
kulvethat's the output, if you are interested15:22
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slaineWhat I suspected would happen has happened. My managers have expressed an interest in pursuing lower cost, non-x86 hardware15:23
slaineI'm hoping that means more time for me to work with mer15:23
lbt__k: ping15:24
__klbt:: pong15:24
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lbtkulve: great - thanks for the feedback15:24
kulvelbt: np. I want to learn this Mer thing :)15:25
timophdamn. were supposed to have the sdk meet today or next thu?15:25
lbt__k: could you have a try with a fixed mer-sdk-chroot script15:25
Stskeepstimoph: i'm not going to be able to participate at least15:25
timophif today: I forgot15:25
lbtyeah today with Sage_15:25
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lbtbut... it's an active WIP anyhow15:25
lbtso no real worries15:25
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timophyeah. let's have it next week15:26
Stskeepstimoph: OK15:26
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timophI'll start bugging you about possible times a bit later15:26
lbtif it works for you __k then I'll push it to OBS15:26
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Sage_ugh, totally forgot15:27
Sage_what time it was supposed to be?15:27
lbtSage_: not alone - we all did15:27
kulvegoogle calendar!15:27
kulveyou can ever share a Mer one ;)15:27
lbtkulve: mmm ... shared CALDAV :)15:27
timophSage_: no time was announced since I forgot :)15:28
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Sage_timoph: hehe. worldwide blackout ;)15:30
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Stskeepslet's just take it next week then15:31
joroikulve: isn't that flag SUPPORT_ACTIVE_POWER_MANAGEMENT, check sgx_options.h for (0x1 << 15) == 0x8000, you probably need either compile kernel or user space with/without that15:31
kulvejoroi: thanks for the tip. I will try it first thing in the morning15:33
kulveis there a way to check from the device if it's on or off?15:33
kulveah, now I understand that15:34
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joroikulve: yup, just compile time flag. I would probably try to build kernel module with that defined15:41
kulveI think it should be enabled by default. I tried to disable it but nothing changed. OTOH, IIRC not even the md5sum of the kernel module changed, so maybe I missed something..15:42
kulvethe user space is binary only so I can't change that15:43
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kulvejoroi: do you happen know how to check that from the user-space side in the TI release tree?15:46
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joroino idea, but that error message seems to indicate it's defined in user space...15:47
bigbluehatStskeeps: so what were you need/wanting from me yesterday? (re:Photoshop)15:47
kulveyes, so it actually does.15:47
joroibut sometimes those makefiles can be quite complicated, need to make sure changes are effective when building the kernel module15:48
kulveLDM_PLATFORM ?= 115:48
kulvethat is enabled (unless disabled already somewhere). And if that's enabled, then the SUPPORT_ACTIVE_POWER_MANAGEMENT, is enabled as well15:48
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kulveand that has a completely different setup..15:50
kulvealthough it's still ?=15:50
Stskeepsat least check they're aligned in both15:51
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kulvejoroi: thanks a bunch! :)15:57
kulvealthough now I face a new problem: Module omaplfb failed to load. Retrying.15:58
kulveif that is a problem on 363015:58
kulveLoaded PowerVR consumer services.15:58
kulve(so I did enable the POWER stuff in the omap3630_linux/makefile.shared_conf and I guess that was the trick)16:02
kulvebut now I really leave to home and continue tomorrow with the omaplfb or some mer gfx stuff16:02
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chouchounehello !16:41
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chouchounedid anyone use Wayland on top of Mer ?16:42
sroedalchouchoune: the challenge is driver support16:43
chouchounesroedal: yes, I know, but my chance is that I can choose the platform we'll run it ;)16:44
sroedalapart from that it should be fairly simple16:45
chouchouneyes, I saw a wayland repo on the Mer git, so that's why I asked if someone had experience with Waylabnd on Mer16:45
chouchoune(though the wayland version is outdated)16:46
sroedalchouchoune: Stskeeps has done some playing with wayland on N9 and N900 I believe16:46
sroedalchouchoune: I've done a lot of work on Qt for Wayland16:47
chouchounesroedal: is there a reference that points to your work ?16:47
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chouchouneI'm interested in that16:47
sroedalchouchoune: qt5's qtwayland repo :)16:48
chouchounehaha, ok, stupid question16:48
sroedalcontains the wayland platform plugin, and a library to make it convenient to make compositors16:48
sroedalas well as some trivial sample compositors16:48
chouchouneyes, I saw that already16:48
sroedalchouchoune: and here's an older blog post about it:
chouchounedidn't see the first link, thanks16:50
sroedalI think the first and the second are pretty much the same16:51
sroedalmaybe the second is more recent16:51
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timophah. my old nemesis - hildon application manager17:26
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afiestas_droidHey, anybody knows how to flash samsung galaxy 2 with mer / active?20:03
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Sage__[8/109] installing u-boot-omap4panda-2011.06-2.2.Mer20:42
Sage__error: unpacking of archive failed on file /boot/boot.scr;4f414630: cpio: open failed - Permission denied20:42
Sage__error: u-boot-omap4panda-2011.06-2.2.Mer.armv7l: install failed20:42
Sage__exit ...20:42
Sage__Stskeeps, lbt: something wrong with the obs-sb2 installation?20:42
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lbtwhere is this?20:43
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Sage__I guess no other package tried to install anything to /boot during build?20:44
lbtshouldn't be an issue20:45
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lbtI wonder if sb2 has something special about /boot20:46
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Sage__[3/110] installing kernel-adaptation-pandaboard-3.1.5-3.1.Mer20:47
Sage__error: unpacking of archive failed on file /boot/;4f414a2b: cpio: mkdir failed - Permission denied20:47
Sage__error: kernel-adaptation-pandaboard-3.1.5-3.1.Mer.armv7l: install failed20:47
Sage__exit ...20:47
Sage__similar thing with other package that tries to install build requirements to boot20:47
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* Sage__ is having problems getting debugsymbols from glibc in gdb21:08
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StskeepsSage__: might be u+rx-w permission problems21:58
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Sage__oh, those can have effect?22:02
Stskeepsyes, sadly with sb222:02
Stskeepsi'll discuss this tomorrow22:02
Stskeepsit's an ongoing discussion on how much to fake root22:02
Sage__yes, talk to you later today ;)22:02
Sage__00:03 already here ;)22:03
* Sage__ goes to bed. 22:03
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