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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I can run the qt-mobility's demo called "player" to play mp3 audio files successfully. But when I use qtmediahub to play mp3 files, I can't make it run. | 02:00 |
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| Termana | morning | 02:51 |
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| timoph | lbt: thanks | 05:20 |
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| * timoph ponders about Mer platform sdk + raspberry pi | 05:21 | |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:37 |
| timoph | the new script doesn't seem to mount home | 05:37 |
| timoph | or parent root | 05:37 |
| Stskeeps | it should warn to use -setup o something | 05:38 |
| timoph | hmmh | 05:39 |
| * timoph reads the script | 05:39 | |
| Stskeeps | http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/28/2831676/hp-lays-off-roughly-270-people-from-webos-division <- auch | 05:39 |
| timoph | :/ | 05:39 |
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| timoph | anyway, seems that we need to update the sdk docs | 05:40 |
| Stskeeps | though i am pretty sure that when you drive a OSS project and not product programmes, you need less resources | 05:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 05:40 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: could you figure out what 'declarative' packages are in your image? | 05:45 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: What do you mean by "declarative" packages ? | 05:48 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: do you mean the verison of qt-mobility I use in my image? | 05:49 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: because we established your 'rpm' wasn't working, i need a list of all packages matching *declarative* from your image | 05:49 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: the image is created by sonach, so this is a part of the list http://pastie.org/3485891. | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | OK | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 05:52 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: you need the package called libqtdeclarative-multimedia probably too | 05:53 |
| timoph | rsync not in the repos that the sdk is using? (git depends on it) | 05:54 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: git depends on a lot of pakckages | 05:55 |
| timoph | yeah but zypper only complains about rsync :) | 05:55 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 05:56 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I thought qtmediahub call the gstreamer throuth the qt-mobility, the libqtdeclarative-multimedia for what ? | 05:56 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: the situation with QML dependencies is a little more difficult | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah damn | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | libdeclarative-multimedia is there already | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | is there anything in .xsession-errors when you try to play a mp3 file? | 05:57 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Maybe no new messages happen in it, I'll check it again | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: http://pastebin.com/CfRMQ1PX | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | and to other pi people | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | the important thing is in bottom | 06:02 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: when I play a mp3 file in qtmediahub, no extra messages happen in .xsession-errors | 06:06 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:06 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: I think it's already too late ;P | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: i'm a little unsure since there's nothing but 'express interest' | 06:07 |
| wmarone_ | yup | 06:07 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: yeah :/ | 06:07 |
| wmarone_ | the sites in question are already very, very dead | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/bespoke/bespoke7.jsp?ICID=I-RASP-HPBLOF-0015&bespokepage=farnell/en_UK/promotions/raspberryPi.jsp | 06:08 |
| RaYmAn | I dunno if that means the first 10k was already sold within the first 1-2 minutes :P | 06:08 |
| Stskeeps | i doubt it | 06:08 |
| Stskeeps | there's no way anyone could have completed it | 06:08 |
| RaYmAn | heh | 06:08 |
| RaYmAn | yeah | 06:08 |
| RaYmAn | rofl | 06:09 |
| RaYmAn | "Loading Tweets seems to be taking a while. | 06:09 |
| RaYmAn | Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information." | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 06:09 |
| RaYmAn | now their twitter is starting to die :/ | 06:09 |
| timoph | heh. looks like I have to wait a bit until I can place my rasp pi order | 06:11 |
| * Stskeeps watches the smoking heap of farnell and rs | 06:14 | |
| timoph | :) | 06:14 |
| RaYmAn | You'd think these resellers would have anticipated this :P | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | these people don't get launch-style traffic | 06:16 |
| * Stskeeps looks around for 'links' | 06:16 | |
| jvd_ | There is osta(=buy) button on fi.farnell.com but that will give you "An error occurred while processing your request. | 06:17 |
| Bostik | they should get some infrastructure design lessons from assembly organisers | 06:20 |
| Bostik | "design to match peek loads without glitches" | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | well, otoh | 06:21 |
| Bostik | s/peek/peak/ of course | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | why are people smashing the sites if there's no longer the 10k limit? | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:21 |
| Bostik | they still want their hands on the devices asap | 06:21 |
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| Stskeeps | point | 06:21 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: the regular building doesn't sound like it'll happen for another month | 06:22 |
| RaYmAn | so yeah =P | 06:22 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: The involvement of RS Components and Premier Farnell means that we can build volume much, much faster than would have been possible on our own. We are no longer limited to batches of only 10k Raspberry Pis; the Raspberry Pi will now be being built to match demand. | 06:22 |
| Bostik | being limited to 1 per buyer in the initial run actually prefers individual hackers | 06:22 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: "Today’s sales are limited to one per customer, so that as many of you as possible are able to get their hands on one. Starting in a month or so, you will be able to place batch orders with both Premier Farnell and RS Components for as many units as you want; you’ll also save some money on postage by doing this." | 06:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's for batch | 06:23 |
| wmarone_ | "The registration is for UK based customers only, to see other regional sites please click here" | 06:23 |
| RaYmAn | it's not really clear if it means they are ready to build on demand right now or in a month :/ | 06:24 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: now that the RPi thing is settled, back to my problem :) The /bin/mount is setuid, does that need something special from e.g. kernel..? | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: it feels a bit to me as if there's some kind of security framework screwing up things, if you could grep SECURITY and ANDROID in the kernel config, that'd help | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: dk.farnell.com , btw | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | though the site is totally hosed | 06:27 |
| RaYmAn | yeah :/ sadly | 06:27 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3486033 | 06:27 |
| timoph | so one has to first explicitly call sdk mount and then enter and remember to call sdk umount afterwards? | 06:27 |
| timoph | seems a bit error prone | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: let me just compare with my own .config | 06:28 |
| timoph | farnell sold out | 06:30 |
| Stskeeps | scary | 06:30 |
| wmarone_ | all phone sales or something? | 06:30 |
| timoph | dunno. haven't been able to reach the site :) | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | Site unavailable | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | Our websites are currently unavailable whilst we perform a scheduled system upgrade. | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | haha | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:32 |
| timoph | :D | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, erm, right | 06:32 |
| RaYmAn | scheduled, lol | 06:33 |
| RaYmAn | It's almost tempting to call them ;) | 06:33 |
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| slaine | did anyone manage to place a RP order ? | 06:33 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 06:33 |
| ali1234 | no | 06:33 |
| timoph | nope | 06:33 |
| slaine | kinda bitter sweet | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: keep in mind they're already doing more than 10000 in batches though | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | they scale to demand | 06:34 |
| slaine | chuffed there's so much demand, sad face for not getting one | 06:34 |
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| timoph | I have the qtonpi code for it so hoping they remember to save me a board | 06:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, so, anyway: how do we make a good mer distribution for when people get it in their hands? :> | 06:35 |
| slaine | hehe | 06:36 |
| timoph | I was pondering the same earlier | 06:36 |
| slaine | it's o6:36, I need coffee first | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | ah, the morons put it on engadget to | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | o | 06:36 |
| timoph | on thing would be to make the platform sdk play nice with it | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, of course | 06:36 |
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| timoph | you have build something for pi already? | 06:36 |
| slaine | was thinking that Qt desktop, Razor or something, would make a good QtonPi dev DE | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: sure, we just need a kernel, armv6 file system and perhaps opengl es drivers | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | it's not that terribly difficult :) | 06:37 |
| slaine | great news that the model a board got a RAM bump | 06:37 |
| timoph | good | 06:37 |
| timoph | also madde sysroot would be nice to have | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | albeit that's more involved | 06:38 |
| Stskeeps | "https://twitter.com/#!/FarnellNews/status/174744472217862144 | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | heh :) | 06:39 |
| timoph | I know next to nothing about building madde sysroots :) | 06:39 |
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| Stskeeps | it's not -that- difficult | 06:39 |
| timoph | but willing to learn to get the ball rolling | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is just that it's not just the sysroots | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's also matching cross compilers | 06:39 |
| timoph | ah | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | and :shudder: windows support | 06:40 |
| timoph | well yeah. I know people will want it | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | the good news is all the old meego 1.2 sdk sources are there. | 06:41 |
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| timoph | never even tried it with windows | 06:42 |
| slaine | perhaps I should try again | 06:42 |
| timoph | tried the harmattan madde stuff though and it seems to work quite nicely | 06:42 |
| timoph | as in used Qt SDK with windows :) | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: :nod: | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: i (honestly) think it should be possible, as they can scale up, even no more '10k' limit | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | so once they have rescued the hd's out of the burning servers.. | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:44 |
| slaine | hehe | 06:44 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: anyway if someone start working on windows version of the sdk I can test it with my gaming machine | 06:44 |
| slaine | torn, want RaspberryPi, but would normally be on my way to work by now | 06:44 |
| RaYmAn | and the odds of actually getting an order in is minimal :( | 06:45 |
| RaYmAn | at least until things settle down | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | engadget, twitter trending, etc | 06:45 |
| timoph | yep | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | .. and BBC news | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | it does show well for open equipment though | 06:46 |
| timoph | farnell #3 and raspberry #4 in twitter currently | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | good(?) advertisement | 06:46 |
| timoph | yeah. we should start putting MerOnPi there :) | 06:47 |
| slaine | Urchin, The Raspberry of the sea | 06:48 |
| slaine | time to go, I'll try again when I get to work | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 06:53 |
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| Stskeeps | mdavey: i forget, is the r-pi usb-powered? | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the final boards | 06:56 |
| timoph | looks like an microusb adapter | 06:57 |
| zuh | Stskeeps: The bundle is listing a power supply, though that doesn't *prevent* it | 06:57 |
| mdavey | Kinda. They are powered by a micro USB power connector as found on modern mobile 'phones. That's micro not mini. | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah, good | 06:57 |
| mdavey | That particular connector doesn't have the data pins connected - it is power only. | 06:58 |
| timoph | so no shortage of power cables for it :p | 06:58 |
| mdavey | timoph: yup | 06:58 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, time to do some real work.. | 07:22 |
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| chouchoune | +/buf1 | 08:22 |
| chouchoune | (sorry) | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | insert password | 08:22 |
| chouchoune | no, just wanted to go to another weechat buffer ;) | 08:22 |
| chouchoune | hello all, btw | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | hello chouchoune :) | 08:23 |
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| * Stskeeps curses whoever thought it was a good idea not to carry the SKU for r-pi in polish shop | 08:37 | |
| kulve | Stskeeps: | 08:37 |
| kulve | localhost.localdomain login: | 08:37 |
| kulve | \o/ | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: congrats :) | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | what was the problem? | 08:38 |
| kulve | yes, that would be nice to know exactly ;) | 08:38 |
| kulve | I added those security related features one by one (that my stock ubuntu has) and now it works. I wonder what was the latest addition.. | 08:38 |
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| kulve | I'll disable CONFIG_SECURITY_FILE_CAPABILITIES | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | add it to the wiki page if that's it | 08:39 |
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| lbt | morning all | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 08:45 |
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| lbt | just read backlog :) | 08:53 |
| * lbt notes farnel is down now, RS is up... | 08:53 | |
| lbt | timoph: sounds like you had problems? | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | i think a lot of people did | 08:55 |
| * lbt meant with SDK :) | 08:55 | |
| Stskeeps | oh | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:55 |
| slaine | Placed an order with Farnell over the phone, I'll have to wait a while but so be it | 08:58 |
| timoph | :) | 08:58 |
| timoph | lbt: yeah. didn't figure out how the new script works at first | 08:59 |
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| timoph | so you're supposed to explicitly mount first and then enter? | 08:59 |
| timoph | and umount afterwards | 08:59 |
| lbt | I'll improve the usage text | 08:59 |
| lbt | yes | 08:59 |
| timoph | ok | 09:00 |
| lbt | mount when you first login to your desktop.. enter repeatedly from any console or anything else.... umount when you leave the mer project | 09:00 |
| lbt | or if you want to delete the sdk | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: please make the script instruct to run -enter | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | err, mount | 09:01 |
| lbt | absolutely | 09:01 |
| timoph | some reminder print about the umount when exiting the sdk might be good | 09:01 |
| lbt | timoph: you may be missing the point | 09:01 |
| lbt | you don't need to umount ever | 09:02 |
| timoph | I think I am :) | 09:02 |
| timoph | I'm just worried that some people might mess up their boxes with rm -rf | 09:03 |
| lbt | timoph: it's true - use of rm -rf can hurt | 09:04 |
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| lbt | I think we should stop installing to $HOME | 09:04 |
| lbt | and install to /srv | 09:04 |
| lbt | say /srv/mer/SDK | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: people's / partitions aren't as big as you think these days | 09:04 |
| timoph | yep | 09:04 |
| timoph | I think /opt would be ok as well | 09:05 |
| timoph | but in any case we need to move out of $HOME | 09:05 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: we have to make compromises - we simply can't support people using the SDK who don't understand disk space issues or who don't know how their machine is partitioned | 09:06 |
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| Stskeeps | let's not be too elitist.. | 09:07 |
| lbt | I wish we could ... but it's simply X people and Y hours in the day | 09:07 |
| lbt | I'm not | 09:07 |
| timoph | maybe some nice manage-mer-sdk-installation script would help | 09:07 |
| lbt | timoph: I think it would make it worse | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | what's the problem with $HOME, anyway? | 09:07 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: When I run 'osc build' in platform SDK, I met messages like 'Trying openSUSE Build Service server for rpm (MerDS:Core:armv7l), not found at 192.168.129.140:82'. Is that normal? | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: fairly | 09:07 |
| lbt | if I want to delete some random directory in my HOME I should be able to | 09:07 |
| timoph | for me $HOME is a problem if we expect the sdk to be mounted all the time | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | how about /home/$USER-mersdk ? | 09:08 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: possibly - but that's not normal installation protocol | 09:08 |
| lbt | home is for users | 09:09 |
| RaYmAn | fwiw, I have a harddisk dedicated to dev stuff, seperate from my main linux installation. So being able to choose where it does stuff would be kinda nice :P | 09:09 |
| lbt | RaYmAn: you totally can - that's kinda the point | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: okay then | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: make a --prefix thing and you get to take the support calls for running out of space on / | 09:09 |
| timoph | it's basically a documentation issue :) | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:09 |
| lbt | *nod* | 09:10 |
| RaYmAn | lbt: awesome :) | 09:10 |
| lbt | RaYmAn: yeah ... I have the same layout so you have no worries :) | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: as well as target disk space check | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | "you need at least ... " | 09:11 |
| lbt | no | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | no? | 09:11 |
| lbt | no | 09:11 |
| lbt | I'm not telling someone "you're safe to do this" in a script :) | 09:12 |
| lbt | simply too unreliable | 09:12 |
| lbt | I'll document it of course in the install docs | 09:12 |
| lbt | it's the same reason I don't provide an uninstall or an rm -rf | 09:12 |
| harbaum | "You'll probbaly be fine with at least x bytes of free disk space"? | 09:12 |
| lbt | harbaum: yep - but in the pre-requisites of the wiki page | 09:13 |
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| sonach | lbt: what's the biggest space needed by platformSDK? I found that on my machine, it's about 462MB which is quite OK. | 09:14 |
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| lbt | sonach: I can't tell you the biggest as you can install lots of stuff into it - I can say the smallest and 'normal' | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: my worry is that you'll intentionally nuke someone's system because you couldn't be bothered to do a quick sanity check if we can actually install into it? | 09:15 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: they're running tar xf | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 09:15 |
| lbt | sonach: checking now | 09:16 |
| slaine | Out of curiosity, where did the MeegoSDK install it self | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: at one point, it rm -rf'ed stuff | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:16 |
| lbt | david@ash_sdk:/maemo/mer/mer$ ./SDK486/mer-sdk-chroot umount | 09:16 |
| lbt | ./SDK486/mer-sdk-chroot must be run as root - attempting to sudo | 09:16 |
| lbt | There appears to be 1 chroot(s) still using this SDK | 09:16 |
| lbt | Process(es): 13332 | 09:16 |
| lbt | just fyi | 09:16 |
| lbt | which, timoph, is why we don't umount on exit :) | 09:17 |
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| timoph | I noticed that | 09:17 |
| slaine | Right, time to burn that OpenSuse 12.1 DVD iso and get the server phost setup | 09:17 |
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| timoph | I think this will sort itself a bit once we update the docs | 09:17 |
| lbt | *nod* - they're open in my editor right now | 09:18 |
| timoph | :) | 09:18 |
| * timoph goes out for lunch. bbl | 09:18 | |
| slaine | lunch, I still need breakfast and coffee | 09:19 |
| lbt | sonach: a minimal SDK here is about 348M, with SB2 installed it's 445M | 09:19 |
| slaine | ;) | 09:19 |
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| lbt | slaine: those finns eat lunch so early | 09:19 |
| lbt | sonach: it's a lot bigger than I thought :) | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: with some obs caches it easily gets up | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | and when we start having sb2 targets.. | 09:20 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: my cache is outside SDK and shared with desktop | 09:20 |
| lbt | I am documenting that too | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yours, maybe | 09:20 |
| lbt | both mic and yum | 09:20 |
| lbt | yeah - I know ... hey, WIP! | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: btw, took monster workers offline as i have to do some SB2-OBS benchmarking | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't be a problem | 09:21 |
| lbt | ok | 09:23 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: If I want to update to the latest version(20120209.1), I only need to 'make update | 09:25 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: If I want to update to the latest version(20120209.1), I only need to 'make update' under mer-release directory? | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: is a little more complex.. you also need to upgrade your OBS software | 09:26 |
| sonach | hmm, well, how to upgrade my OBS software? is there any wiki pages? | 09:26 |
| * Stskeeps looks over at our vendor guy | 09:26 | |
| Stskeeps | (yes, i mean lbt) | 09:28 |
| * lbt was editing wiki pages | 09:28 | |
| lbt | SDK ones to be fair | 09:28 |
| lbt | sonach: checking | 09:28 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: well, I just ask you about the method. I will do the upgrade stuff several days later since our code are building against 20120120.1. | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yeah, we're working on good pages on how to do it | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: what OBS version is your current OBS? | 09:29 |
| lbt | sonach: you can do that with me | 09:29 |
| sonach | lbt: how to do ? | 09:29 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup | 09:29 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: how to check the OBS version? | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: rpm -q --info obs-server | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: that's for setup, they already have a obs that's not our merproject one | 09:29 |
| lbt | Mer has a special version of OBS that it uses to enable SB2 and other features,,, | 09:30 |
| alterego | obs++ | 09:30 |
| lbt | so it too is a WIP :) | 09:30 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Version : 2.1.11 | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: and you were planning to set up a new OBS machine anyway? | 09:30 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: yes. Now the new machine has not come to my team yet. So maybe I can setup a completely new OBS on the new machine? | 09:32 |
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| Stskeeps | that might be easier, since you're running OBS 2.1 | 09:32 |
| sonach | hmm. you mean 'OBS2.1' is not easy to upgrade? | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | i -think- so, but lbt might have a different opinion | 09:33 |
| sonach | OK. I will not upgrade the OBS for the moment. and just use the '20120120.1' stuff:) | 09:34 |
| lbt | I'd suggest a new setup | 09:34 |
| sonach | lbt: OK, | 09:34 |
| lbt | we did an upgrade from an earlier upstream OBS but we haven't checked how to do this for different versions | 09:34 |
| lbt | once you run the Mer OBS you'll just upgrade as normal of course | 09:35 |
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| lbt | I *think* you could do it by doing an obs "vendor switch" in zypper - but not sure | 09:35 |
| sonach | what's "Mer OBS" mean? Does it descripted on http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: we have a special version of OBS with some patches that is needed to run mer builds | 09:36 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: OK. So I think I should run Mer OBS when I setup the new server. | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:37 |
| lbt | yes | 09:37 |
| sonach | OK. that's good. I will yell out if I have questions when setup the new server. thank you in advance:) | 09:37 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: did you send out an RE meeting email? | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | no | 09:40 |
| lbt | k | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | (not intentionally) | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to post it | 09:41 |
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| lbt | OK, I will do | 09:42 |
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| cxl000 | Sage_ I found that COBS search works from the search page https://build.pub.meego.com/search | 09:52 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: so, it works with CONFIG_SECURITY_FILE_CAPABILITIES and doesn't work without it. But I'm still not 100% sure if that's because of Mer or perhaps something else my kernel | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: OK, i'm filing a bug | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | one to remember this wih | 09:58 |
| kulve | I also have CONFIG_ANDROID=y and it boots | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | that's fine | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's PARANOID_ANDROID stuff that's not good | 09:58 |
| kulve | that's "=n (not tested)" in the table | 09:58 |
| kulve | so I guess it could be removed from there? | 09:59 |
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| lbt | we should remove that table and link to auto-generated one based on the code | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: task bug.. | 09:59 |
| lbt | ^c^cm | 09:59 |
| lbt | shortcut for task bug :) | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: so is the bootup log cleaner now? | 09:59 |
| kulve | short summary of some important once is nice. If you have a working kernel config for e.g. Android it's annoying to go through some full config | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: we have a config checker, at least | 10:00 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: yes. I see only a (known) complaint about readahead and some error about missing utmp group | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:00 |
| lbt | kulve: is that from the config checker? | 10:01 |
| kulve | lbt: I don't know config checker | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: from bootup log | 10:01 |
| lbt | kulve some info here: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step | 10:02 |
| kulve | I created the utmp group with groupadd and now the error is gone | 10:02 |
| lbt | kulve: line 79 https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=kernel-adaptation-sample.spec&package=kernel-adaptation-sample&project=home%3Albt%3AMer%3ASample%3AHA&rev=b3c8ebaa3067754e6f827f57bddff06c | 10:03 |
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| kulve | I don't use OBS for building my kernel and the platform SDK doesn't include "mer" | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: ok, let's get a bug filed with it -- got the old errorstill_ | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 10:05 |
| lbt | kulve: OK | 10:05 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: about the missing utmp? | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | ah nm | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | we have a bug 140 | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140 | 10:06 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: yes, same thing | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | so known issue :) | 10:06 |
| slaine | lbt, ok, to get the ball rolling this morning them, OpenSuse 12.1 install for the kvm host on the server | 10:07 |
| lbt | yep | 10:07 |
| lbt | keep it minimal, no X or desktop (I guess you know that :) ) | 10:08 |
| slaine | :) | 10:09 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: you said that I should try the Mer Core before going to Nemo. Is there something special I should try in addition to logging in? :) | 10:14 |
| lbt | graphics checks? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: next step booting to framebuffer xorg + qmlviewer | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | then test with mer-gfx-tests in there | 10:15 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step | 10:15 |
| slaine | Thinking of getting a Pandaboard ES, anyone here got one ? | 10:15 |
| lbt | kulve: ^^ | 10:15 |
| lbt | kulve: please feel free to extend the "Prepare X / Wayland and Qt" section | 10:16 |
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| lbt | it should talk about adding an X server or wayland package, then running mer-gfx-tests and the qmlviewer | 10:17 |
| lbt | then I guess we should have something for video, sound, networking and similar | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.1/kickstarts/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks is a good reference | 10:18 |
| kulve | ok, I'll try next the basic-qmlviewer.ks | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | we try to do it in iterations for the simple reason it's easier to debug | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | and how i myself do bringups | 10:23 |
| kulve | yes, makes sense | 10:23 |
| slaine | come on DVD, burn | 10:23 |
| slaine | So, nobody has a Pandaboard ES then | 10:23 |
| slaine | hmmmm | 10:23 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: re: bug #140, should I try with my current .ks and add the libutempter package to see if it makes the utmp error go away? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: i think it's just that we should indicate libutempter as a dep for systemd | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | patches welcome ;) | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, feel free to try | 10:25 |
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| kulve | if I would create a patch, I should fork systemd to my home project, modify it, let OBS build it, add my repository to .ks, create the image, test it, do a pull request (or whatever it's called in OBS)? | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | work on it in obs, then submit with git to gerrit | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | and it goes through review process and testing | 10:28 |
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| kulve | that's a long list but I guess I need to do it sooner or later anyway.. | 10:30 |
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| Stskeeps | it's 'in detail', but in short it gets easy to script and become muscle meory | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | memory | 10:31 |
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| Sage_ | cxl000: oh, nice | 10:35 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: yes, doing package update is like 10mins per package for simple updates including obs and gerrit submission (cc kulve) | 10:38 |
| kulve | yeah, well, it takes more than 10mins for me to remember how to use osc and how to get through company proxies with it.. ;) | 10:38 |
| slaine | kulve: I'm in the same boat, only have a small % of time to dedicate to this | 10:39 |
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| Stskeeps | hopefully we'll reach a point where rampup takes an hour or two and you're fully suitable to work on mer + products | 10:40 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: could you add libutempter to mer core so I could submit that there? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | oh it's not in mer core? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i can | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | ahng on | 10:40 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: it is in nemo mw shared | 10:40 |
| Sage_ | thus nemo images do not see that problem | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | done | 10:41 |
| Sage_ | k, thx | 10:41 |
| Sage_ | kulve: I have fix for that utempter thing soon available in review. You can find the package from CE:MW:Shared project in COBS | 10:43 |
| Sage_ | http://review.merproject.org/433 | 10:46 |
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| * Stskeeps wraps up ongoing items and looks out at the sunshine | 10:57 | |
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| alterego | Heh | 11:00 |
| kulve | hmm.. should the "osc" obey $http(s)_proxy? | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 11:01 |
| kulve | it seems to be trying without a proxy | 11:01 |
| lbt | kulve: in SDK ? | 11:03 |
| kulve | yes but the "curl" does the same. Maybe I have something wrong in there.. "echo $https_proxy" looks correct though | 11:04 |
| lbt | it's not a tested area - I don't have a proxy (anymore) | 11:04 |
| lbt | it should respect it if it is in ENV | 11:04 |
| kulve | we don't have a proxy authentication anymore. That's already a big improvement :) | 11:04 |
| lbt | standard python stuff | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679322 may be useful | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | we use libproxy for some things at least | 11:05 |
| kulve | "curl https://api.pub.meego.com/source" doesn't work, "curl -k -x $http_proxy https://api.pub.meego.com/source" works | 11:12 |
| kulve | no white space errors. Not use if the bug 679322 is about something else.. | 11:13 |
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| Stskeeps | anything in 'dmesg' about pacrunner? | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 11:13 |
| kulve | in mine? no.. | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | or syslog | 11:15 |
| kulve | I have broke something. "sudo mic" doesn't get through either now and it did work yesterday.. | 11:16 |
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| Stskeeps | hello Eren :) | 11:20 |
| kulve | right, I figured out my proxy-problem. I had "http_proxy=..." in ~/.mersdk.profile without the export-commands | 11:22 |
| Eren | hi Stskeeps | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: welcome - so what brings you here to #mer ? | 11:22 |
| Eren | Stskeeps: wanting to get more information about what this cool thing is all about :) | 11:23 |
| Eren | I'm planning to buy Raspberry PI, will use it as a media center bundled with video, mp3, flickr, twitter thingies | 11:23 |
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| Stskeeps | Eren: hehe :) yeah, many of us are trying to buy too, though it's very hard at the moment | 11:24 |
| lbt | cool - Denise got answers on the non-profit setup. I'll explain at AB | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | a -lot- of interest | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 11:24 |
| lbt | "Unincorporated Association" | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: sounds like something we need a pdf writeup of before meeting | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: we have two R-PI's for Mer development, so we hope to have something good for it too, easy to work with | 11:25 |
| lbt | I'll see what I can do | 11:25 |
| Eren | Stskeeps: so, what's actually "mer"? | 11:27 |
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| Eren | raspy have a decent debian install, X11 and other cool stuf | 11:27 |
| Eren | actually it has required drivers for BCM chip to decode | 11:27 |
| Eren | of course, it's what I thought from videos | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: Mer is a core, gives you a solid linux base supporting Qt/HTML5/QML/Javascript and suited for mobile usage/smaller systems | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: you couple it with a UI and a hardware adaptation (for example Raspberry Pi) | 11:28 |
| Eren | Stskeeps: so, it's a standalone linux distribution, sort of? | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | ish, it's kind of a lego block to make products/prototypes with | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | we also provide a bunch of tools to make it possible to scale from prototype to product | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit of an untraditional linux distro approach :) | 11:29 |
| Eren | Stskeeps: well, you provide a framework, then? | 11:29 |
| Eren | :) | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: that's one way of saying it, but not entirely :) | 11:30 |
| lbt | Eren: key thing is ... "who is Mer for?" | 11:30 |
| Eren | usually, I'm used to designing with QTDesigner and coding it with Python or C++ | 11:30 |
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| lbt | Eren: it's for people makeing devices - so they usually have their own hardware | 11:30 |
| lbt | and they want to make a UX | 11:30 |
| lbt | so we do the other bits | 11:30 |
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| Stskeeps | (or people wanting to make a UX..) | 11:30 |
| * lbt thinks www.merproject.org/faq.html :) | 11:31 | |
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| lbt | as much to cut'n'paste from (or assign chunks to irc macro keys) | 11:32 |
| Eren | I feel retarted :P It should not be hard to understand the concept or there is not much document/example to read :) | 11:32 |
| lbt | Eren: it's also nice to engage and chat | 11:32 |
| lbt | rather than say "read the page" | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: long story short: a lot of effort in companies go into doing a mobile linux stack of their own - and often the work is something that can easily be shared amongst many different companies | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: because vendors much rather want to focus on doing good hardware, and/or make good UI | 11:33 |
| lbt | Eren: but www.merproject.org should get you started - please say if it's confusing - we'll fix it | 11:33 |
| Eren | ok, I've a Raspberry PI, or I've made a PCB which includes cool stuff and I want to run linux | 11:33 |
| Eren | I got linux on, by patching softwares and cross-compiling | 11:33 |
| Eren | I have a terminal | 11:33 |
| lbt | yeah - I should be mentoring you on that | 11:33 |
| Eren | and I want a UI | 11:34 |
| Eren | now what? :) | 11:34 |
| lbt | exactly | 11:34 |
| lbt | you wait for my raspi to arrive and me to get it setup | 11:34 |
| lbt | :P | 11:34 |
| Eren | :D | 11:34 |
| lbt | I'm writing up the platform SDK instructions right now | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: so, in your recipe, with mer, you have your hardware, you do the hardware adaptation, you install a mer image on top, customize it to your device and add a UI on top | 11:35 |
| lbt | (got bored, came for a chat) | 11:35 |
| Eren | lbt: I've read the index page, however, it's not instructive | 11:35 |
| Eren | it would be good to give examples | 11:35 |
| lbt | getting some QtCreator stuff into your own project is the next step | 11:35 |
| Eren | maybe, from 2 different aspects | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: you don't need to worry about making cross compilers, what version of glibc and patches you need, etc, that is delivered | 11:35 |
| Eren | one aspect from a manifacturer of a device | 11:35 |
| lbt | Eren: we'll be revamping the www soon | 11:35 |
| kulve | hmm.. I'm now getting a new error when running mic. It downloads something but then: | 11:35 |
| kulve | Error <mount>: Bind-mounting '/var/tmp/mic/cache' to '/var/tmp/mic/imgcreate-rb0sCY/install_root//var/cache/yum' failed | 11:35 |
| Eren | and the one aspect from a consumer | 11:36 |
| kulve | Exception AttributeError: "'NoneType' object has no attribute 'px_proxy_factory_free'" in <bound method ProxyFactory.__del__ of <libproxy.ProxyFactory object at 0x94b522c>> ignored | 11:36 |
| Eren | Stskeeps: ok, then it's an image for a raspy or other devices | 11:36 |
| lbt | kulve: does /var/tmp/mic/cache exist? | 11:36 |
| Eren | you just dd it, and it's setup? | 11:36 |
| Eren | :) | 11:36 |
| Eren | and build apps on the platform, using the libraries provided by mer | 11:36 |
| kulve | lbt: yes | 11:36 |
| lbt | Eren: your mission .... is to make that image for your customers | 11:36 |
| lbt | Eren: we make that easy for you | 11:37 |
| Eren | hm | 11:37 |
| lbt | yeah | 11:37 |
| Eren | ok, using the mer tools, I build an image, add applications using the libraries that Mer provides, and release the image | 11:37 |
| lbt | yes | 11:37 |
| lbt | kulve: can you pastie the command too | 11:38 |
| lbt | did you sudo mic ? | 11:38 |
| kulve | lbt: sudo mic create fs mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks -o . --pkgmgr=yum --arch armv7l --compress-disk-image=tar.bz2 | 11:38 |
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| kulve | also I noticed that sudo "./mer-sdk-chroot umount" -> "Unmounting all directories... (30 found)". Then mount + umount and it unmount 31 directories, then 32, 33 etc. | 11:39 |
| lbt | yeah, /var/run/shm | 11:39 |
| lbt | bind mount doesn't record it as mounted in the chroot | 11:40 |
| kulve | ls: cannot access /var/run/shm: No such file or directory | 11:40 |
| kulve | should I have that inside the chroot? | 11:40 |
| lbt | while sudo umount /var/run/shm; do true;done | 11:40 |
| Eren | lbt: oh okie, others would like to see this information on the webpage :) | 11:41 |
| lbt | kulve: no - don't worry about it | 11:41 |
| Eren | lbt: Stskeeps thanks for your help btw, it has been a long time since I was welcomed this warm :) | 11:41 |
| lbt | Eren: yeah - we need to structure and expand it | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: we try to have a friendly atmosphere here - we're from many different companies | 11:41 |
| lbt | kulve: the mounts are taken care of for you | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: because we're all interested in not having to all the system work ourselves :) | 11:41 |
| lbt | thats a minor bug | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | to do, that is | 11:42 |
| Eren | Stskeeps: hehe :) | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 11:42 |
| Eren | I'll probably reporting bugs or start hacking when my raspy comes. I'll need a decent mediacenter :) | 11:42 |
| lbt | kulve: give me a bit | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShRnOazNu9Q&list=UUt3jrWgutwPvS79NfGs9MQQ&index=4&feature=plcp is Mer used to make a phone (Nemo project uses us as a core), http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wbyyA9X4Qk is the Plasma Active UI on top of the Spark tablet, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjsxKEacIkU - Qtmediahub on trimslice | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: just for some examples of how Mer can be used | 11:44 |
| Eren | Stskeeps: thanks, I'll be watching them | 11:45 |
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| Eren | Stskeeps: so, what happened to Tizen, or Meego? | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: MeeGo died, Tizen .. well, they released beta release | 11:45 |
| Eren | actually, Tizen is the new name of Meego, I guess | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | it's not really | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | Tizen is a completely different codebase | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | based off samsung linux platform | 11:46 |
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| lbt | hey phaeron | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | Mer's derived from the MeeGo 1.3 work and many of us are from meego | 11:46 |
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| Stskeeps | Mer takes a different approach :) | 11:46 |
| Eren | Stskeeps: nice, not tied to a company then :) | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | sort-of - we're not primarily driven by one single company, instead many different contributors from different places | 11:47 |
| Eren | usually, when a company kills a product that uses an open source project, it gives up support | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | i pitch in with some server costs, others pitch in with other things, some contribute, etc | 11:48 |
| Eren | an example would be QtJambi | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Governance is the Mer governance structure (active) | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'm the project architect currently | 11:48 |
| slaine | opens use requires a /boot partition, lame | 11:48 |
| Eren | Stskeeps: thanks for the information | 11:48 |
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| Eren | I need to go right now | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | np | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | see you | 11:49 |
| Eren | happy hacking! :) | 11:49 |
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| Stskeeps | we really need some webcast videos on the website | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | explaining mer | 11:49 |
| lbt | yeah | 11:49 |
| lbt | OK , I've hacked on http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK and am now proofreading it | 11:50 |
| lbt | comments welcome | 11:50 |
| lbt | mention them here since I'm still editing it :) | 11:51 |
| lbt | oh for a piratepad plugin | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | advanced details are out of date now isn't it | 11:52 |
| lbt | yep | 11:52 |
| lbt | I have new usage in script which I'll paste in | 11:53 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: I'm following the Contribution_in_detail. There's "osc branch Mer.MDS:Core:i486 systemd". I guess I should use "Mer:fake" instead of "Mer.MDS"? And what should I put instead of i486, armv7l or armv8el..? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | i486 is fine | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | well | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to test it on device, armv7l | 11:55 |
| kulve | on a device, of course :) | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | generally everything that is in mer can be developed on x86 too | 11:55 |
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| kulve | I tend to compile on x86 and run on ARM | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:56 |
| kulve | there's always something differently in the two | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | you can always add extra repositories to build against | 11:56 |
| lbt | "60 Product results found for “raspberry pi” orly" | 11:56 |
| slaine | I placed a pre-order with Farnell for the next batch | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | i can't order from pl.farnell :/ | 11:57 |
| slaine | I phoned it in | 11:58 |
| slaine | sales rep said they where taken totally by surprise and it was manic in there | 11:58 |
| lbt | I think phone is good - I have a voucher :D | 11:58 |
| slaine | they had no access to the site either. | 11:58 |
| slaine | how does the voucher work, are Farnell/RS versed in what to do ? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | there's some people who talk about that it's not for that sie | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | site | 11:59 |
| lbt | I wonder if the sales/marketing people at Farnell/RS are going "WTF... how the hell did we miss this market" | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | i'm waiting for quim to talk | 11:59 |
| slaine | I hope that means people with vouchers are coming from a ring fenced batch | 11:59 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: actually should that have been armv7l or armv7hl..? | 11:59 |
| lbt | slaine: yes | 11:59 |
| slaine | cool | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: armv7l or armv7hl, i don't know what your target is :) | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | hl is hardfp | 12:00 |
| jukkaeklund | so is there a place where to put that rPi code? | 12:00 |
| kulve | well, arent's everybody using hl nowadays? :) | 12:00 |
| slaine | What's the difference between ARM5tel and ARM6 ? | 12:00 |
| lbt | site not loading | 12:00 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/ARM | 12:00 |
| slaine | Try phoning your local farnell number | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: it makes it difficult to get GLES drivers ;) | 12:00 |
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| kulve | I was hoping there's something that could work for this 3730? | 12:01 |
| slaine | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | probably, then use armv7l | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | then you can use TI upstream | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | (softfp) | 12:01 |
| kulve | ok, I thought there was something hl as well.. | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | not yet, linaro's pushing hl for them | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | and i wouldn't recommend trying out the n900/n950/n9 ones before you have a armv7l going | 12:03 |
| kulve | ok. Softfp it is then | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | we build nemo for both anyway | 12:03 |
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| kulve | I added the repository from the web UI and I can see it with "osc meta prj home:kulve -e" but if I try to run "osc build armv7l" in the co'ed systemd directory I get "no repositories defined for project 'home:kulve:branches:Mer:fake:Core:armv7l'". And I don't see the project in the web UI.. | 12:07 |
| lbt | osc repos | 12:07 |
| kulve | none | 12:08 |
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| Stskeeps | osc meta prj -e home:kulve:branches:Mer:fake:Core:armv7l | 12:08 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/meta?project=home%3Akulve%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7l | 12:08 |
| lbt | you haven't specified what to build against | 12:09 |
| lbt | there's a bug in the OBS that doesn't set this up for you | 12:09 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail#Branch_the_package_to_work_on_it | 12:09 |
| kulve | yes, I'm following that.. | 12:10 |
| lbt | hmm | 12:10 |
| lbt | osc meta prj home:YOURNAME -e | 12:10 |
| lbt | is wrong | 12:10 |
| kulve | it tells to run "osc meta prj home:kulve -e" but not "osc meta prj -e home:kulve:branches:Mer:fake:Core:armv7l" | 12:10 |
| lbt | please fix wiki :) | 12:10 |
| lbt | ty | 12:11 |
| eocanha | Have you been doing something strange with the Lua packages lately? (2012-01-20) | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: define strange | 12:11 |
| lbt | "lua" | 12:11 |
| eocanha | I'm trying to build a minimal image, resolving dependencies (cloning packages) by hand | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: hasn't been touched in 3 months | 12:12 |
| eocanha | and mic2 complains about "lua-static-5.1.4-2.1.i586 needs liblua-devel = 5.1.4-2.1" | 12:12 |
| eocanha | I'm having a look at the lua.spec file in the lua package | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: that sounds like a pretty normal dependency | 12:12 |
| eocanha | and there's no liblua-devel package there, | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | you're right | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | that's a bug | 12:13 |
| eocanha | only "liblua" and "lua-devel" | 12:13 |
| eocanha | (actually "devel", but I guess the "lua-devel" name is automatically constructed from it) | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | can you file a bug please? | 12:13 |
| eocanha | ok | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, else it would be %package -n liblua-devel | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | i think something went wrong when it was yaml'ified | 12:14 |
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| eocanha | and how do you manage to get the full build then, if there's such a bug? :-m | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: we don't include lua-static in anything, i think | 12:14 |
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| Stskeeps | at least in image build phase | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | let me check OBS dependencies | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: how are you trying to do a minimal image? | 12:15 |
| eocanha | hmmm... I'l try to remove lua-static from my .ks file and see what happens | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | also, please switch to platform sdk and 'mic' | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | it's a lot saner | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | and we can fix bugs in that | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: nothing in mer core utilizes lua-static, probably why we didn't see it before now | 12:16 |
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| Stskeeps | eocanha: try http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.1/kickstarts/mer-core-i486-base.ks as a minimal reference, and expand package groups with http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=blob;f=patterns/mer-core.yaml;h=030bed33e3a34fea030d40859c5044b5168c5d84;hb=HEAD | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: i have busybox packages if you'd like to experiment with that too | 12:17 |
| kulve | I changed the home:YOURNAME to home:YOURNAME:branches:Mer.MDS:Core:i486 and Admin to YOURNAME. Why is the examples using Mer.MDS instead of Mer:fake? | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: Mer:fake was a horrid name we came up with .. MDS is Mer Delivery System, the new name for fakeobs | 12:17 |
| * lbt wonders if we should have an ExtraPackages: * image | 12:18 | |
| lbt | for CI | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | probably good for CI, but difficult in practice | 12:18 |
| lbt | *nod* | 12:18 |
| lbt | task | 12:18 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: but I must still use the Mer:fake with community OBS? Who can use the MDS? | 12:19 |
| eocanha | This is my current .ks file: http://pastebin.com/A5rdRN2g | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: MDS is actually running on community obs but due to historical reasons it's called Mer:fake | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | instead of Mer.MDS | 12:20 |
| eocanha | it has Mer packages, but also packages imported from CE:Adaptation:x86-generic by hand | 12:20 |
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| Stskeeps | eocanha: okay, if i were you i would just expand the @Mer Core in my .ks and start from there and add packages, dependancies shuld be resolved fine | 12:21 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: but why the example says Mer.MDS if it doesn't work..? | 12:21 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: Preperation section: You also need to be able to access a Mer.MDS project linked to a current Mer release on an OBS. This is called Mer:fake: on the MeeGo Community OBS. | 12:21 |
| * lbt notes that this is also supposed to be used by vendors who have internal MDS setup | 12:22 | |
| kulve | ok. So I should have asked for the access? :) | 12:22 |
| lbt | (and I don't like calling it fake in the docs, and we'll change that eventually on c.obs) | 12:22 |
| lbt | kulve: do you have meego c.obs access ? | 12:22 |
| kulve | yes | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: generally that sentence means "if you're using community OBS, replace all occourences of Mer.MDS with Mer:fake:" | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can you set up a Mer.MDS: project linking to fakeobs? | 12:23 |
| lbt | (please put that line in the wiki too) | 12:23 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah | 12:23 |
| lbt | task | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | that's probably just easier | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | nah, it's not a task when it takes less than two minutes | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:23 |
| lbt | agree | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | GTD.. | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:23 |
| lbt | it lets you get interrupted how many levels deep? | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com meta prj Mer:fake | sed -i "s/Mer:fake/Mer.MDS/g" | osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com meta prj -F - Mer.MDS | 12:25 |
| lbt | :P | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok, maybe not "-i" | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | but you get my point | 12:26 |
| * lbt admits to using the webui | 12:27 | |
| lbt | osc was quicker | 12:27 |
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| kulve | sorry to be asking simple questions all the time, but "osc build" won't build my package because "nothing provides <pretty much anything>". But actually I guess that wouldn't help me a bit as that would be locally x86 package, right? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: simple questions are what helps us show gaps in our documentation, the more we work with mer the more we get blind to simple issues, so it's very valued :) | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: let me take a look at your project | 12:29 |
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| eocanha | Bug submitted: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203 | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: thank you | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: in osc meta prj -e for your branch, <arch>armv7l</arch> -> <arch>armv7el</arch> | 12:30 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: I don't have a real project atm. I started to patch the systemd but I guess somebody already did that or started to do it. Now I'm just kind of testing how I would have done it | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | welcome to the wonderful world of OBS scheduler names | 12:30 |
| kulve | I'm so lost with those, especially because of the armv8el.. | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | i don't blame you, i hate the naming | 12:31 |
| kulve | why I don't see the systemd in the webUI..? | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Akulve%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7l | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | i see 'building: 1' now | 12:32 |
| kulve | shouldn't I see that somewhere in https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Akulve? | 12:32 |
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| Stskeeps | no, :branches:Mer:fake: is a totally different obs project | 12:33 |
| eocanha | You were right: lua-static wasn't needed. I don remember why I put it in the ks file. O:-) | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html might be useful mindmap to navigate OBS concepts (.html -> .mm gives you the freemind one) | 12:34 |
| kulve | I need to delete my stuff from there.. | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok, it's 10 C outside | 12:35 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm going to hate myself if i don't go out in the sunshine | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | brb | 12:35 |
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| kulve | hmm.. Can I register to gerrit only with OpenID or google? | 12:40 |
| Sage_ | kulve: I've done so at least. | 12:46 |
| Sage_ | or at least I login every time with my google account | 12:47 |
| kulve | I actually have openid from myopenid and now I'm wondering how to actually use it.. | 12:47 |
| Sage_ | you might need to do account first though. | 12:47 |
| Sage_ | kulve: you need the url to the provider site and enter that to login I guess | 12:47 |
| kulve | I have google account as well. Does it matter which email addresses I use in those..? | 12:48 |
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| kulve | i.e. my google accout is @gmail.com but I wouldn't want it to show up anywhere in Mer gerrit | 12:48 |
| Sage_ | does my @gmail.com show in there somewhere? | 12:48 |
| Sage_ | well you can actually change the email that is shown from preferences it seems | 12:49 |
| kulve | well, I'll login with google. Let's see what happens. | 12:49 |
| kulve | looks good | 12:51 |
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| kulve | platform sdk: Problem: nothing provides rsync needed by git-1.7.7-2.1.i486 | 12:52 |
| kulve | ignoring.. | 12:52 |
| kulve | damn company firewall. Getting out with ssh is of course denied | 12:53 |
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| lbt | OK http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK updated some more | 12:57 |
| lbt | usage() in the script extended too | 12:57 |
| lbt | timoph: ^^ | 12:57 |
| * lbt off for a walk too -- bbi 20m | 12:57 | |
| * timoph looks | 12:58 | |
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| * sledges downloading N9 PR1.2 !!! | 13:05 | |
| Stskeeps | kulve: like with minesweeper and solitaire, i wonder how much global productivity has gone down due to stupid company proxies.. | 13:06 |
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| kulve | well, luckily we can use an ssh pipe inside an ssh pipe which is inside an ssh pipe.. | 13:16 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo Wnt | 13:19 |
| Wnt | Hello Stskeeps | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | welcome here to #mer , what brings you here? | 13:19 |
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| Wnt | I was wondering if Mer is going to provide images for Raspberry Pi | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we are | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | well | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | Mer is a core, you combine it with a hardware adaptation (for raspberry pi) and a UI => a raspberry pi image | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | we've already been running Mer on it | 13:21 |
| Wnt | Ok, sounds really nice! | 13:21 |
| Wnt | Are there some images available that can be run in VirtualBox? | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | you can probably create some, we are currently making it so you can run GLESv2 apps in virtualbox too | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | Wnt: didn't you at one point run old Mer on 770? | 13:24 |
| Wnt | Stskeeps: I only made some research on how it would be possible | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | we took a bit of a detour into MeeGo and now we're back and kicking ass instead :) | 13:25 |
| Wnt | I still have my old 770 in my closet and would love to get some use for that too | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | sadly i don't have an armv5 port at the moment.. the kernel is a serious problem for it | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | for 770, that is | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | i have a couple of dead 770's | 13:26 |
| Wnt | Ah I thin the only kernel 770 could run are the kernels Nokia provided for the device | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | it could run higher but without wifi | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | in which case it's not too useful | 13:28 |
| Wnt | and they were so old that they didn't support the PS3 bluetooth controller | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | Wnt: so did you manage to buy a raspberry pi this morning? | 13:28 |
| Wnt | and I would like to use the 770 to drive my roomba with a PS3 controller | 13:28 |
| Wnt | Yes, I made a order to Finland's Farnell | 13:29 |
| Wnt | but I have no idea when they are going to have them shipped | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:30 |
| kulve | Wnt: through a company or as an invidual? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | i would have bought but it turned to be difficult from .pl | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | I bought one and farnell says w16.. | 13:30 |
| Wnt | kulve: bought it through my company | 13:31 |
| kulve | ok. I understood that Farnell doesn't really like inviduals.. | 13:31 |
| Bostik | a friend said some time ago that if the $35 model ever becomes real, his company would use several hundred of them in a year | 13:31 |
| Wnt | Bostik: It seems pretty real to me | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: well model B is the one launching | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: ie, 35$ one | 13:32 |
| Wnt | maybe in two months they will have enough units produced | 13:32 |
| Bostik | apparently "few bucks more than a microcontroller but with ARM linux on it" is a big deal in their business | 13:32 |
| Bostik | so rpi foundation certainly cornered a very interesting niche | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | i like the aspect as it really throws a lot of cheap, hackable equipment in the hands of everyone | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | the world in A day made of glass certainly needs that :) | 13:34 |
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| slaine | I'm just chuffed that there'll be something for my kids to hack on, like I had with the C64/Amiga500 | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: Bostik: ahma: http://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,17851 btw | 13:38 |
| Bostik | I'll probably order a few, just to see what I can come up with when tossing a "real computer" at anything becomes a financially insignificant thing | 13:38 |
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| Wnt | Stskeeps: do you know if it would be possible to run Debian on the 770 with a 2.6.21 or later kernel with bluetooth support? | 13:41 |
| slaine | I'm hoping we can use them as an STB platform. | 13:41 |
| kulve | lbt: did you have any hints for this "Error <mount>: Bind-mounting '/var/tmp/mic/cache' to [...]" problem? | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | Wnt: 2.6.21 is probably too low these days | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | Wnt: also it's not even bluetooth 2.0 | 13:41 |
| Wnt | Stskeeps: the hardware? | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:42 |
| lbt | kulve: not yet, I just finished the docs and got some lunch | 13:42 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: ahma: right, sample packaging of some kind; we'll need to check that one out, preferably during this week | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: for installers and so on | 13:42 |
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| kulve | lbt: Ok. I'm heading home for the day but I'll continue again in the morning so all hints are welcome :) | 13:43 |
| lbt | ok | 13:43 |
| Wnt | ah I see, wikipedia lists Bluetooth 1.2 | 13:43 |
| lbt | kulve: I may just ask you to try the new SDK tomorrow then | 13:44 |
| kulve | I'm doing two things: following the "Contribution_in_detail" page for the systemd and trying to get the rootfs with qml stuff. Both attemps are now failing to this weird mount problem that I didn't have yesterday | 13:44 |
| kulve | I think I did upgrade the SDK yesterday but didn't try mic after that. I don't know if something broke there or if I changed something.. | 13:44 |
| lbt | it sounds like something needs umounting | 13:45 |
| lbt | did you check /proc/mounts ? | 13:45 |
| kulve | wc -l /proc/mounts | 13:45 |
| kulve | 53 /proc/mounts | 13:45 |
| lbt | so it sounds like that needs cleaning up | 13:46 |
| kulve | 22 after sdk umount | 13:46 |
| lbt | I can't tell if that's normal | 13:46 |
| kulve | those 22 look quite normal | 13:47 |
| kulve | well /run/shm is there twice again | 13:47 |
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| lbt | won't hurt | 13:47 |
| kulve | not sure why it's /run/ and not /var/run.. | 13:47 |
| kulve | never seen that before | 13:47 |
| lbt | I think it depends what symlinks your host has | 13:48 |
| lbt | check /dev/shm | 13:48 |
| kulve | /var/run is a link to /run. This is stock ubuntu oneiric | 13:48 |
| lbt | ah, for me in debian /run -> /var/run/ | 13:49 |
| kulve | /dev/shm/ and /run/shm/ are equal | 13:49 |
| lbt | so the canonical name varies :) | 13:49 |
| lbt | anyhow.. shouldn't matter | 13:49 |
| kulve | ok. bbl | 13:50 |
| lbt | so now if you do mer-sdk-chroot mount | 13:50 |
| lbt | OK then | 13:50 |
| kulve | well, I'm here still for a couple of minutes :) | 13:50 |
| lbt | try the mount then | 13:50 |
| kulve | did the mount | 13:50 |
| lbt | now we'll do the mic mount manually | 13:51 |
| * lbt looks for details | 13:51 | |
| lbt | sudo mkdir -p /var/tmp/mic/imgcreate-random/install_root/var/cache/yum | 13:52 |
| lbt | sudo mount --bind /var/tmp/mic/cache /var/tmp/mic/imgcreate-random/install_root/var/cache/yum | 13:52 |
| lbt | (in the SDK) | 13:52 |
| kulve | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /var/tmp/mic/cache, | 13:53 |
| kulve | etc | 13:53 |
| lbt | ah | 13:53 |
| lbt | hmm | 13:53 |
| lbt | possible 'bollox' | 13:53 |
| lbt | so... in the world of bind mounts there's an option : mount --make-unbindable | 13:54 |
| lbt | which we need to use to prevent SDKs from nesting inside each other | 13:54 |
| lbt | I think it may prevent mic from working | 13:55 |
| lbt | kulve: leave it with me | 13:55 |
| kulve | yes, I was just about to say that :) | 13:55 |
| * lbt mutters and wanders of cursing chroots | 13:55 | |
| kulve | thanks and I'll be ready to debug more tomorrow morning 0700 UTC | 13:55 |
| lbt | hehe ... I'll be ready a tad later :) | 13:56 |
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| lbt | and that's not it... | 14:24 |
| kulve | did you figure out what it is or that it is not about --make-unbindable? | 14:25 |
| lbt | mic works fine on my old SDK using the latest script ... | 14:26 |
| lbt | I'm building a new SDK to try that | 14:26 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120120.1/kickstarts/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks is bad - Failed to find package 'xorg-x11-drv-kbd' : No package(s) available to install | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i know | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's fixed in 0209 | 14:39 |
| lbt | ok ... np | 14:39 |
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| gprade | hello, is http://mer.bfst.de offline? | 15:28 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: ^^ | 15:36 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ^^ | 15:36 |
| lbt | not sure who manages it | 15:37 |
| lbt | not me.. all my infra is up *grin* | 15:37 |
| lbt | gprade: what were you after? | 15:37 |
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| * lbt mentions https://www.ssllabs.com/downloads/SSL_TLS_Deployment_Best_Practices_1.0.pdf as an interesting read and so he can find it again | 15:38 | |
| gprade | @lbt: i dot understand? | 15:39 |
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| lbt | gprade: since that site is down and it provides irc logs and such I wondered what you were looking for in case I could help... :) | 15:40 |
| gprade | oh, no, i need no help, i am looking everyday at this site to see who far you are with mer and nemo, so this was a good place for me to see whats going on with mer, but today there was no site anymore | 15:42 |
| lbt | I see :) | 15:42 |
| lbt | I'm sure it's just a temporary problem | 15:43 |
| lbt | wb Eren | 15:43 |
| gprade | do you know something about the interesst of companies about mer, are there any company that want use mer in future, i read some news about tizen and wac, but they dont want use qt | 15:44 |
| lbt | Actually that's an important area for me | 15:44 |
| Eren | lbt: thanks. | 15:44 |
| lbt | we do have quite a lot of interest from different companies | 15:45 |
| Eren | dm8tbr: qrz? | 15:45 |
| lbt | Some in China are looking at an OS for TV | 15:45 |
| lbt | we have some looking at for IVI devices | 15:45 |
| lbt | Nomovok for instance | 15:46 |
| lbt | oops... I have a delivery | 15:46 |
| lbt | bbiab | 15:46 |
| Guest40451 | lbt: hi | 15:47 |
| Eren | dm8tbr: nice to see a ham here as well, de ta1aet | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: probably a downtime, dm8tbr manages the logs | 15:50 |
| gprade | ok, thangs | 15:50 |
| slaine | I actually was noticed that earlier, I was trying to see what lbt and myself discussed yesterday for my OBS setup | 15:51 |
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| lbt | hey Guest40451 | 15:52 |
| lbt | gprade: so yes, there is also the Spark tablet that is in production and uses Mer | 15:52 |
| lbt | that uses Plasma Active on top as the UX | 15:52 |
| lbt | but in general Mer has a focus on Qt and HTML5 | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | i think we've briefed gprade before :) | 15:53 |
| lbt | hehe ... I can't see in the logs :) | 15:53 |
| gprade | yes, u do, thanks allot | 15:53 |
| lbt | gprade: any time | 15:54 |
| Wnt | wow, there are 8 developers that do something related to Mer accepted in Nokia's Raspberry Pi device program | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | Wnt: yeah, we collaborate with the qtonpi guys and feed them some ideas too | 15:54 |
| lbt | mmm reminds me I should phone farnell | 15:55 |
| Eren | looks like Raspy and Mer will be revolutionary? | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Eren: let's see :) | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | i have a good feeling about it so far | 15:55 |
| gprade | in my freetime i try to understand qt and try to write my first app, very, very hard thing for me, now i buy two new books to understand c++ and Object-oriented programming, very hard | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: yeah, may be easier to get to know QML instead | 15:56 |
| gprade | i try to do something like teachertool from ipad, but thats a long way i see now | 15:56 |
| Eren | gprade: it's not that hard actually | 15:56 |
| Eren | I'd start with Java to understand object-oriented programming | 15:56 |
| gprade | no, at the moment i must understand to manage a database for the data to write in | 15:56 |
| gprade | that i can not do with qml i think | 15:57 |
| Eren | with C++, you will have to manage memory by yourself, string operations are hard btw | 15:57 |
| Eren | in Java, it's quite easy. You're not focusing on how to append a string, or manage memory, instead you can focus on the design more | 15:57 |
| Eren | of course, it's just for understanding the concept :) Would I use Java in my actual coding except for school? Absolutely no | 15:58 |
| leinir | ...in C++ you use QString, and let QObject memory manage ;) | 16:00 |
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| Eren | leinir: hehe :) | 16:00 |
| Eren | wow, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjsxKEacIkU | 16:03 |
| Eren | Stskeeps: it looks awesome, I'd really like to see it on raspy :) | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | Eren: already runs, supposedly | 16:05 |
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| slaine | Damn, must have done something wrong, | 16:11 |
| slaine | rake aborted! unknown attribute: long_name | 16:11 |
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| gprade | ok, see you | 16:17 |
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| ali1234 | what was that keyboard shortcut mentioned the other day for searching history? | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | ctrl-something | 16:31 |
| timoph | r | 16:31 |
| timoph | if bash? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-r, yeah | 16:32 |
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| ali1234 | cheers | 16:33 |
| lbt | kulve: I'm having problems reproducing that error | 16:33 |
| ali1234 | now i just need to learn to use it instead of holding "up" until i see the command i want :) | 16:33 |
| ali1234 | on a related note, while searching for ctrl-r i discovered that ctrl-t swaps the last two characters you typed... any idea what the point of that is? | 16:34 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: https://twitter.com/#!/FarnellNews/status/174866329533284352 maybe | 16:35 |
| kulve | lbt: maybe I'll just recreate the SDK or reboot the whole thing to get rid of any weird mounts? | 16:36 |
| lbt | yes, sounds sane | 16:36 |
| lbt | use this one... | 16:36 |
| lbt | https://img.merproject.org/images/web/lbt/3-20120228-220556/0.20120209.1/images/mer-sdk-i486-chroot/ | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, can't buy from there, just register interest | 16:36 |
| ali1234 | you can't currently buy anywhere afaik | 16:37 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I phoned RS and sent my email in - I wonder if they'll have a raspi.com shop as well ? | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: dunno | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: either way, i'm not in that big hurry | 16:37 |
| lbt | anyhow... waiting for Quim to say something noq | 16:37 |
| lbt | now | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo bigbluehat | 16:38 |
| ali1234 | does anyone know anyone at all who managed to buy one of the first batch? | 16:38 |
| bigbluehat | Stskeeps: hi yeah :) | 16:38 |
| bigbluehat | actually not here long | 16:38 |
| lbt | I'd like to get ready on our side though | 16:38 |
| bigbluehat | will be back on later this afternoon tho | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: alright | 16:38 |
| bigbluehat | if that matters ;) | 16:38 |
| lbt | bigbluehat: it will make our evening :) | 16:38 |
| bigbluehat | lots of interesting chaos in this space this week :) | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: everything fits together so far.. | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: vgrade's on the kernel packaging | 16:38 |
| bigbluehat | lbt: very kind of you :) | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: qt5 support.. | 16:39 |
| lbt | not at all :) | 16:39 |
| lbt | *nod* | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: one question before you go.. how are you with photoshop? | 16:39 |
| lbt | I want to get the c.obs setup too | 16:39 |
| bigbluehat | Stskeeps: I'm great at Inkscape mockups | 16:40 |
| bigbluehat | if mockups are what you're after | 16:40 |
| bigbluehat | I've got Photoshop, but prefer open source tools ;) | 16:40 |
| lbt | :) | 16:40 |
| bigbluehat | …but not the GIMP :-P | 16:41 |
| ali1234 | inkscape == illustrator :P | 16:41 |
| bigbluehat | only better ;) | 16:42 |
| bigbluehat | l8rs | 16:42 |
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| ali1234 | s'not hard to be better than illustrator :) | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | evening zumbi :) | 17:26 |
| zumbi | hi | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | how's the obs troubles coming along? | 17:26 |
| zumbi | I've been talking with the suse guys and lbt | 17:26 |
| zumbi | about release processes | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 17:27 |
| zumbi | I think we need to define some for Mer | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | we have some release processes at least, they're not very implemented yet | 17:27 |
| zumbi | lbt is going to look into that and I have to do that as well | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:28 |
| zumbi | I'll share with you my proposal once I got something | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Process is what i wrote up at some point | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | i'm playing with the new cross compile patches that B1-systems are making for OBS | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | powerful stuff | 17:28 |
| zumbi | I also need to give that a go | 17:29 |
| zumbi | Stskeeps: I saw that page, last item is useful, but there are lots missing there | 17:29 |
| zumbi | so we need to have a OBS centric release process workflow | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | well, sounds like a good discussion to do :) | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | i'm open for suggestions | 17:30 |
| zumbi | well, once I get something written I'll let you know | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 17:31 |
| zumbi | I wonder if I shall use Mer wiki? | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | mark it as a draft and it should be fine | 17:31 |
| zumbi | I mean, I dont want to impose anything, just share ideas | 17:31 |
| zumbi | draft sounds good | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, imposing is my job ;) but the project is open to any ideas and proposals | 17:32 |
| zumbi | great | 17:32 |
| zumbi | I have been wondering how to do development, then when we have software tested do migrations to stable and finally release | 17:33 |
| zumbi | then you want to keep updates for release | 17:34 |
| zumbi | in OBS world there is no specific workflow for that.. but with darix and lbt help we got good ideas | 17:34 |
| zumbi | SLES Factory flow is probably best | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | there's many different ways.. i'm kind of interested in the copy-whole-project idea as it fits into continous integration concepts | 17:36 |
| zumbi | yep | 17:36 |
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| lbt | right ... pushed the updated script to OBS | 17:42 |
| lbt | once it is built I'll trigger an image build and call it the 0.20120209.1 SDK | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | where do we put it? on release? | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | s | 17:43 |
| lbt | I've actually been serving images from img on phost5 | 17:43 |
| lbt | I'll fix the https too | 17:44 |
| lbt | :) | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd prefer them on releases as it's part of mer delivery | 17:45 |
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| lbt | ok - makes my life easier | 17:45 |
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| lbt | I do like IMG | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | i don't mind pulling from there | 17:47 |
| lbt | that was just a random feelgood comment :) | 17:48 |
| sledges | lbt, I will replace s/i486/x86/(g?) in http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK , as link is broken at the moment | 17:48 |
| sledges | is it ok? | 17:48 |
| lbt | sledges: we're actually just wondering what the right link is | 17:48 |
| sledges | lol | 17:49 |
| sledges | ok, then i leave it to you fellows | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | right now: one that works, later: releases | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 17:49 |
| lbt | yeah | 17:49 |
| sledges | then it needs to be changed | 17:49 |
| sledges | with all other i486 occurrences in that wiki article then | 17:49 |
| lbt | sledges: we're moving towards i486 for the moment | 17:50 |
| lbt | it means "generic x86" | 17:50 |
| lbt | i586 means ssse3 | 17:50 |
| sledges | oh | 17:50 |
| lbt | I hope we can adopt better terms soon | 17:50 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_architecture_naming | 17:51 |
| lbt | I don't know what "RPM architecture bottom and top " means | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: in armv7hl we can build for armv7hl, 7nhl, 7tnhl, 7thl | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | hey crevetor | 17:54 |
| lbt | hmm | 17:54 |
| lbt | so I thought you meant "in armv7hl (obs scheduler) we can build" ... but that's not a scheduler name | 17:55 |
| lbt | and those values aren't listed in the armv7hl row in the RPM architecture bottom and top column | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 17:56 |
| lbt | so, trying to be clear, should that column be "allowed RPM architectures"? and should it have armv7{n,h,l,t}* in that cell ? | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | for combinations of it | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | h isn't optional | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | nor is l | 18:01 |
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| lbt | like : http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_architecture_naming | 18:04 |
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| lbt | sledges: image should come from https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/latest/images/mer-sdk-i486-chroot/ | 18:05 |
| sledges | ok ta lbt | 18:06 |
| lbt | would appreciate help updating and checking the wiki | 18:06 |
| sledges | sure will do that on the train | 18:07 |
| sledges | :) | 18:07 |
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| sledges | brb | 18:07 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: anything before I announce the SDK | 18:09 |
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| lbt | I'll wait for the wiki to be updated | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | well give me a tarball to put on releases? | 18:10 |
| lbt | oh, I see, sure https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/latest/images/mer-sdk-i486-chroot/ | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | /releases/XXX/sdk/ ok for you? | 18:10 |
| lbt | yes | 18:11 |
| lbt | do we want a corresponding snapshot of M:T:T | 18:11 |
| lbt | which should be M:T I know | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes, next time - this part should be automated | 18:11 |
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| lbt | *nod* | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | do you have rsync on img.* ? | 18:12 |
| lbt | I'll do a big copypac | 18:12 |
| lbt | don't think so | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:13 |
| lbt | img area is still a tad messy | 18:13 |
| lbt | quite a bit to do | 18:13 |
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| lbt | I'll wipe M:T and promote a snapshot of M:T:T to it | 18:14 |
| eocanha | I've built the perl-CPANPLUS package and it has a lot of dependencies that I can't explain by just examining the perl.spec file (those after "perl >= 0:5.006001" in http://pastebin.com/bNyzZDyZ ). Anybody knows why? In particular, I can't find a way to satisfy the "perl(DBD::SQLite)" and "perl(DBIx::Simple)" dependencies. | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: glad someone's looking into those things :) in practice, RPM generates automatic dependencies from ELF library dependencies, perl scripts, python scripts | 18:16 |
| aperezdc | eocanha: maybe those are provided by some package like perl-DBI | 18:17 |
| aperezdc | eocanha: or something like perl-DBI.spec (or other) generates multiple packages | 18:17 |
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| eocanha | maybe, but there's no perl-DBI in Mer:Core | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | eocanha: i think it's because it has some textual perl scripts that refers to it | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | those get analyzed and turned into RPM dependencies | 18:19 |
| eocanha | so... if I find them and remove them from sources, that should be enough? | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | that's one way yes | 18:20 |
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| lbt | wouldn't be logged anyhow | 18:55 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: did you copy it? | 18:55 |
| sledges | even when it comes back, you mean? :) | 18:55 |
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| sledges | as it is not logging at the moment.... (doh) | 18:55 |
| lbt | yeah - bot down too | 18:55 |
| lbt | :) | 18:55 |
| lbt | bbiab | 18:55 |
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| sledges | will access the log tomorrow from work | 18:56 |
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| gprade | hello stskeeps, do you know aava mobile? could they be a partner for mer? the reference design aava twist was very good looking, but will never be build i think | 20:21 |
| gprade | www.aavamobile.com | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: i have one of their hand warmers in my closet, yeah | 20:21 |
| gprade | handwarmers???? | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: aava with intel processor :) | 20:22 |
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| gprade | ah, cool, do had spoken with them? have they said any about their company or about the aava twist? | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't spoken to them, it's more of a thing where vendors who use mer work together with them | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | anyone is a partner in mer if they use us or contribute | 20:24 |
| gprade | ok | 20:25 |
| gprade | do you have already a spark tablet? | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | no, i don't, not involved with it :) | 20:25 |
| gprade | not? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | nop, i'm part of mer and that delivers core on spark, but besides interacting with them on mer level, i'm not part | 20:26 |
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| * Stskeeps is involved with nemo and mer :) | 20:28 | |
| gprade | ok | 20:28 |
| gprade | any new vids from the actual nemo? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, i usually check nsuffy's videos | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | it was my last day today on nokia sponsored work for Nemo | 20:30 |
| gprade | someone wrote here somedays ago something about ivi? is their any group working on it based on mer? | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | simon at arcom-ivi is working on some prototypes | 20:30 |
| gprade | last day for nokia??? | 20:30 |
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| gprade | ah, cool (ivi i mean) | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah - i wasn't an employee, just a subcontractor, been some good years :) | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | so now it's on to new challenges | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully many that includes Mer :) | 20:31 |
| gprade | sad, sad, sad, i think nokia is going the wrong way, they have money enough to go with microsoft AND opensource mobile | 20:32 |
| gprade | but they all trough it away | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | qt is having a lot of momentum, but anyway, i've been doing this kind of work for 2+ years, it's a good time to do something new | 20:33 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, I hope the future is good! for you and for mer | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: i hope so too :) | 20:33 |
| iekku | was also my last day subcontracting nokia | 20:34 |
| iekku | 6,5 years in row | 20:34 |
| iekku | the last 2 were the best. had opportunity to meet guys like you :) | 20:35 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it sure was fun in meego :) | 20:35 |
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| gprade | but the all talk about html5 and wac, i am afraid that qt is going small | 20:35 |
| * lbt watches people arrive in his world :) | 20:35 | |
| iekku | hope not | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: well, you know my opinion that it's fine that people do apps in html5.. but who says we have to do our entire UIs in it | 20:36 |
| iekku | ^ was to gprade | 20:36 |
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| gprade | yes, i know | 20:39 |
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| Stskeeps | so we'll see | 20:39 |
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| gprade | is it hard to explain the work you all do at the moment on mer? since some weeks i dont understand all in the logs, is the work on the infrastructur or are the problems on mer self? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: a bit of both.. mer itself is mostly fine atm, we're making documentation and SDKs | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | and making ways for people to set up systems et | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | c | 20:42 |
| gprade | ok, cool | 20:42 |
| gprade | is a database part of mer or must i put the database in my app? i mean firebird or sqlite | 20:43 |
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| Stskeeps | we have sqlite | 20:43 |
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| gprade | so i dont need to put sqlite in my app and i can "call/connect" the sqlite in mer? very hard to understand for me | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | you'll need to link sqlite | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the libray | 20:45 |
| gprade | ok | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | that package is already provided in mer, so you can use that instead of building your own | 20:47 |
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| gprade | ok, then i try, thanks allot | 20:47 |
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| * lbt missed sledges then | 21:00 | |
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| bigbluehat | Stskeeps: perhaps shipping CouchDB would be a good idea | 21:00 |
| lbt | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.1/ has sdk | 21:00 |
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| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: qt5 has a jsondb too | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: gimme a README.txt to put in there | 21:01 |
| bigbluehat | does it replicate? :) | 21:01 |
| bigbluehat | does it serve HTML apps? :) | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: think there's something | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | but either way, that's a bit on vendor side | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | in a 'future technologies' toolbox with opencv and other things, it would sure be in there | 21:01 |
| * Stskeeps gets to inbox zero | 21:01 | |
| bigbluehat | yeah, most likely | 21:02 |
| matrixx | Stskeeps: I just tried out gimp qml export, it may be good for UI prototyping, but no use for real development | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | matrixx: alright, too ugly qml? | 21:02 |
| bigbluehat | too ugly gimp ;) | 21:03 |
| matrixx | yeah, the images are not optimized, but exported as a full layer size png's | 21:03 |
| matrixx | I was also expecting something like solid color rectangles exported as qml rectangle elements, but it's not that smart | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, maybe photoshop one is smarter? | 21:04 |
| matrixx | they are all exported as images | 21:04 |
| bigbluehat | QML needs an SVG exporter | 21:04 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, so you would have it converting actually to Rectangles ? | 21:04 |
| lbt | matrixx: you'd need svg for that | 21:04 |
| matrixx | Stskeeps: let's see, someone else has to try that | 21:04 |
| bigbluehat | :) | 21:04 |
| lbt | inkscape should manage it | 21:04 |
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| matrixx | yeah, svg exporter would be cool, for inkscape | 21:05 |
| lbt | matrixx: inkscape mainly does svg | 21:05 |
| matrixx | yeah, I usually do all my graphics with inkscape :D | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | https://gitorious.org/qml-svg/qml-svg ? | 21:05 |
| lbt | OK ... :) | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, svg is xml.. | 21:06 |
| matrixx | there is a tool called flowella, I dunno how far is it nowadays | 21:07 |
| matrixx | but I think that uses images only :/ | 21:07 |
| lbt | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.1/sdk/README enough ? | 21:08 |
| matrixx | maybe the focus is a bit different, it's for creating transitions between mocked up views | 21:08 |
| lbt | ks and package list is ther for completeness | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 21:08 |
| lbt | so it should be sane | 21:08 |
| * lbt ticks a box | 21:08 | |
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| matrixx | maybe I need to learn python, I could try to fix the gimp plugin :) | 21:17 |
| bigbluehat | matrixx: or build an Inkscape one :) | 21:18 |
| matrixx | it would still be a bit limited as only shapes between circle and rectangle are supported :/ | 21:18 |
| matrixx | though qt5 and canvas api gives much more possibilities | 21:19 |
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| matrixx | bah.. now noticed I said svg exporter, instead of qml exporter.. for inkscape | 21:24 |
| matrixx | apparently must get some sleep | 21:24 |
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