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| ZiQiangHuan | I can use "playbin2" to play avi files successfully, but I can't play it in qtmediahub. | 02:43 |
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| * Stskeeps analyzes new tizen source code | 05:49 | |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: export GST_DEBUG=DEBUG before running qtmediahub | 05:54 |
| Stskeeps | if that doesn't work, let me kno | 05:54 |
| Stskeeps | w | 05:54 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I will have a try | 05:55 |
| Stskeeps | it should help show the pipelines | 05:55 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Maybe it doesn't work | 05:57 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Maybe qtmediahub can't find my plugin though qt-mobility | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, let's figure out where in the stack it goes wrong | 05:58 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: How can I be sure there is qt-mobility in my system now ? | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: rpm -qa | grep libqtmultimedia | 05:58 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeekps: the command "rpm " can't be excuted in the system | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | that doesn't sound good :) | 05:59 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes. I find on this link http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120120.1/builds/armv7l/packages/armv7l/, the qt-mobility-1.2.0-1.15.Mer.armv7l.rpm is empty | 06:01 |
| phaeron | morning | 06:04 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yes, it's just a metapackage | 06:04 |
| Stskeeps | morn phaeron o/ | 06:04 |
| ZiQiangHuan | morning, phaeron | 06:04 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: there should be a demos package for qt mobility you can try | 06:04 |
| Stskeeps | with a 'player' demo | 06:04 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: you mean qt-mobility-examples-1.2.0-1.15.Mer.armv7l.rpm ? | 06:05 |
| Stskeeps | yes, possibly | 06:05 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Maybe I'll have a try with it. It seems that I can't find a log file for qtmediahub ? | 06:08 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: .xsession-errors would be it | 06:09 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning sonach | 06:10 |
| sonach | good morning:) | 06:10 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: we'll be posting a new release today, btw | 06:35 |
| kulve | good morning. I'm going to give a try to run Nemo on this OMAP3 device of mine. I asked earlier if it runs on a 2.6.32 kernel and the answer was "yes, with some patches". The kernel-adaptation-n950.spec in "MeeGo Community Open Build Service > Projects > CE:Adaptation:N950-N9 > kernel-adaptation-n950 > Sources" seems to include 97 patches, most of them being camera related that I'm going to skip. What about the rest, are there some specific patches that I | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | you got cut off, hang on | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: in https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=kernel-adaptation-n950&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN950-N9 , wire-up-sys-accept4 , linux-2.6.38-tty-add-active-sysfs-attribute-to-tty0-and-console-d.patch , cgroupfs-create-sys-fs-cgroup-to-mount-cgroupfs-on.patch , cgroup-fs-avoid-switching-d_op-on-live-dentry.patch , cgroup-add-clone_children-control-file.patch | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | and i think that's that | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | i would advise you to first try out a bare mer image first though, then move on to nemo when that part works | 06:43 |
| wmarone_ | what omap3 device is this? | 06:44 |
| kulve | wmarone_: it's an NDA device.. 3730 based | 06:45 |
| wmarone_ | ah ok | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: 'series' file specify order in case you need order of patches | 06:46 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: thanks. And Ok, I'll start with a Mer image. I guess I can just use some ready built rootfs as a first attempt? | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: good time to try out platform SDK :) | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK and http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120120.1/kickstarts/mer-core-armv7l-base.ks | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | that has a working image creator in it | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | and instructions in the wiki page | 06:49 |
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| kulve | "[Mer]$PS1" would be a good thing. | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | yes, for sure | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | think we have an updated script but it's not posted to the sdk page yet | 06:53 |
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| kulve | hmm.. The chroot is x86 and that's good for creating ARM images but will there be an ARM chroot for compiling ARM code? | 06:58 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: When I use the demo "player" of qtmobility, I got the error message "Warning: "No volume control found/ Error: "Internal data stream error."" | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: we'll have a SB2 based SDK for next-next, already did a working proof of concept | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | so it's possible to essentially take an image .ks, build it to a rootfs, install development headers into it and build against it | 06:59 |
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| Stskeeps | with fast zypper and rpm and everything | 07:03 |
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| kulve | Error <creator>: Command 'qemu-arm-static' is not available. | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -i http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.1/builds/i486/packages/i486/qemu-usermode-static-1.0.2011.12-1.2.i486.rpm | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | we should have a newer sdk out soon that contains that | 07:14 |
| * Stskeeps looks at lbt | 07:14 | |
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| kulve | now I have 35M mer-core-armv7l-base.tar.bz2 | 07:20 |
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| Stskeeps | congrats :) | 07:21 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: make sure to have these configs in kernel: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | (needed for systemd) | 07:26 |
| * Sage_ ponders if he has told how much he hates qt-mobility compile process | 07:29 | |
| Stskeeps | not recently | 07:29 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine o/ | 07:30 |
| slaine | morn | 07:30 |
| slaine | best get that coffee machine warmed up | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a good plan | 07:33 |
| Termana | morning | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | mdavey: saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fy63w6WxOw ? | 07:34 |
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| mdavey | Stskeeps: yea, saw that. Have you set your alarm clock? | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | mdavey: i get up at 5:30 utc anyway | 07:50 |
| mdavey | :D | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | so should be fine ;) | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | mdavey: let me know when i should ship back the beta board as well, i'll probably send it when i've gotten a 'retail' one of my own anyway | 07:52 |
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| slaine | I misread the tweet and thought it was for this morning | 07:55 |
| slaine | (blush) | 07:55 |
| mdavey | Stskeeps: oh, no rush - please keep it as long as you are using it, but if you find it unused in the back of a drawer, please ship it back ;). But, yea, once yo've got a few production boards you'll probably find you're no longer using the alpha board. | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | mdavey: :nod: i don't have space in my drawers anyway ;) | 07:56 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I can run qt-mobility's demo "player", so this means I have qt-mobility in my system, right? | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:02 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: So now I don't have any idea for this. Any advice for this? Maybe I will go to check the source code of qtmediahub and qt-mobility ? | 08:05 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: does your gstreamer plugin work with the 'player' or not? | 08:07 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: When I use the demo "player" to play avi file, I got the message http://pastie.org/3478319 | 08:10 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: It seems that it can detect my audiosink | 08:11 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: and what gst-launch command line do you use to have it working normally? | 08:14 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I use the command line just like "gst-launch-0.10 -v playbin2 uri=file:///mnt/usb/movies/golf.avi" | 08:14 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, can you try to find out what pipeline playbin2 ends up expanding that to? | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | ANNOUNCEMENT: Mer 0.20120209.1 released, http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00304.html | 08:19 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: This is the log when I excute the command line, http://pastie.org/3478355 | 08:21 |
| jukkaeklund | \o/ | 08:21 |
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| jukkaeklund | anything interesting in Tizen "beta"? | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | well, straight from the horses mouth: | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | [04:49] <raster> they broke sbs entirely for arm and there is no working replacement | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | [04:49] <raster> i'm stuck not able to build anything/do work. | 08:29 |
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| Stskeeps | my own direction is that there's not much interesting in that codeline | 08:30 |
| slaine | mer is the best thing around :) | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | (and that's not just because i'm biased towards mer, it's my professional objective opinion) | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:30 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: after the pcre is in we really need to do first prerelease ASAP. | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: right | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | though pcre.so.0 that can't resolve itself is mainly in mer core | 08:33 |
| jukkaeklund | stskeeps, ok so Intel is working on x86 and they broke arm.. | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: i wish it was that easy.. sbs is mainly the samsung people | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not seeing any significant intel contributions to system level there | 08:34 |
| jukkaeklund | ok | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | but i am considering if we should scrap the tizen mention on mer pages as we are not terribly related | 08:37 |
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| jukkaeklund | I think inclusive is the thing, but not sure if Tizen there adds any value right now | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:38 |
| jukkaeklund | HTML5 should be there | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | for sure | 08:39 |
| jukkaeklund | for vendors would be good to have some arguments comparing to other architectures | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | i think html5 is the primary app story for many platforms, but as i also say, it doesn't mean we can't also do qt/qml ui's and apps | 08:39 |
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| jukkaeklund | yep | 08:41 |
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| Stskeeps | so ideally we need to have a qt sdk for mer work started | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | if we can't do only-app-no-runtime deployments | 08:45 |
| jukkaeklund | qt creator + target? | 08:45 |
| jukkaeklund | or something else? | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, basically we need to provide the cross compilers and the sysroots | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | man.. | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | talk about channel mixup :) | 08:46 |
| jukkaeklund | :) | 08:46 |
| * Sage_ noted new review features from gerrit and had a 'wow' moment. | 08:50 | |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | but yes | 08:50 |
| lbt | kulve: if you have an SDK you can try an upgrade | 08:50 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/#change,415 | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: :nod: | 08:50 |
| Sage_ | didn't know that you can comment on files like that :P | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: that was one of the reasons i liked gerrit | 08:50 |
| kulve | lbt: what should have changed? | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: problem was that fakeobs didn't actually produce project update events (ie, to update prjconf) | 08:51 |
| kulve | gerrit is ugly and has issues with Opera but otherwise is quite convenient :) | 08:51 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: it was still running the script as I went to bed | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i woke up to a lot of 'unresolvable' :) | 08:53 |
| lbt | kulve: mainly the entry/exit process - that also allows PS1 to be modified - there's a post to the ml | 08:54 |
| lbt | kulve: I'd been hoping for someone (anyone) to test the new SDK scripts and provide some feedback | 08:54 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: so where are we | 08:54 |
| kulve | I'll be testing that now a bit and maybe more when the RPis arrive | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: release published and i need more coffee | 08:55 |
| lbt | OK ... did you modify the script or? | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | that was to kulve or to me? | 08:57 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: you | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes, i updated fakeobs | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | in git | 08:58 |
| lbt | OK - so is meego MDS updated? | 08:59 |
| lbt | (the git on shell?) | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | i patched that one directly, but i can do that too | 09:00 |
| * lbt grins | 09:00 | |
| lbt | I should apply the same iron grip to the infra that you do to the Mer Core/ commits :) | 09:01 |
| phaeron | cf. mint process :) | 09:01 |
| phaeron | lbt: there's a req waiting for you | 09:01 |
| lbt | phaeron: thanks | 09:01 |
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| lbt | worker-disease isn't too bad today | 09:02 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/package_buildresult?package=imager&project=Project%3AMINT%3ADevel%3AIMG !! | 09:02 |
| slaine | Just ordered 16GB of ram to go into that dell server | 09:03 |
| phaeron | lbt: what ? | 09:03 |
| lbt | phaeron: says "no ajax" on a white page here | 09:04 |
| phaeron | lbt: dunno how you got the url | 09:04 |
| slaine | lbt, I'm gonna start from scratch with an internal mer build setup, where should I start, your OBS guide ? | 09:04 |
| phaeron | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=imager&project=Project%3AMINT%3ADevel%3AIMG | 09:04 |
| lbt | slaine: talk to me in 5mins? I need to make coffee :) | 09:04 |
| slaine | I've just got mine, crack on | 09:04 |
| phaeron | lbt: also maybe you missed it yesterday : do we need a separate phost for img. I can chip in | 09:05 |
| phaeron | (personally) | 09:05 |
| lbt | I don't think we do - I'd like to see better virtualisation | 09:05 |
| lbt | I'd actually like to see workers use nested kvm | 09:06 |
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| lbt | donations always welcome though | 09:06 |
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| Stskeeps | nested kvm sounds like it could cause problems? | 09:07 |
| lbt | well, we're trying it - it's supposed to be fine | 09:07 |
| lbt | I'd mainly be worried about I/O issues (speed) | 09:07 |
| lbt | but not for tmpfs | 09:07 |
| phaeron | the problem is even if nested kvm works stable, what about lvm ? | 09:08 |
| phaeron | qcow2 IO inside kvm would probably be too slow | 09:09 |
| lbt | why? | 09:09 |
| lbt | also what's wrong with nested lvm? | 09:09 |
| phaeron | too many layers introduce latency | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | speaking of rabbit holes, what's easiest in order to get a sane IMG infrastructure, a img phost or spending time on this? | 09:10 |
| phaeron | we could do benchmarks | 09:10 |
| * lbt notes the number of levels of data indirection in things like Qt | 09:10 | |
| * Sage_ ponders what is up with nss compile | 09:10 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: nested kvm is sane - if this goes slowly then we review it | 09:10 |
| lbt | OK - I do need coffee ...bbiam | 09:11 |
| phaeron | lbt: http://www.mail-archive.com/kvm@vger.kernel.org/msg37879.html there's definitely overhead involved | 09:12 |
| phaeron | ballpark estimate 6 % to 10 % | 09:13 |
| Bostik | lbt: Qt doesn't employ mere indirection, it goes all the way to misdirection and beyond | 09:13 |
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| phaeron | lbt: for cpu afaiu | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | perhaps it's better to see how a company would deploy IMG in practice | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | nested KVM isn't exactly a standard setup | 09:16 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: does img have chroot mode too? | 09:17 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: yes that is already deployed and working | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:20 |
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| Stskeeps | and kvm is simply for security reasons? | 09:21 |
| phaeron | security is one, also "cleanliness" | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | why the nested lvm - just to understand? | 09:23 |
| lbt | that's to permit snapshots | 09:24 |
| phaeron | mic2 (and probably mic) runs as root and is very liberal with bind mounts , loop devices and such. sometimes it breaks also due to host rpm differences (for example debian) | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | point, kvm makes sense | 09:24 |
| * lbt leaves the explanation to phaeron | 09:24 | |
| Stskeeps | lvm however? | 09:24 |
| phaeron | the image you get is then not identical to one you would get by running in the mer chroot | 09:24 |
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| phaeron | there are two ways to run imager chroot and kvm , kvm can be done with qcow2 and qcow overlay which is slower , and recently lvm and lvm snapshots which is faster | 09:25 |
| phaeron | also fits nicely with obs workers setup | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | right, and why would you run another lvm instance inside the kvm? | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | (nested) | 09:26 |
| phaeron | so if you have lvm setup for that already you can plugin img workers in your infra with flex between obs and img workers | 09:26 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: the original design is img worker on the physical host , and it launches kvm vms with temporary snapshots of an os image that are used for a job run and discarded | 09:27 |
| phaeron | the snapshots are mounted as root directly in the kvm | 09:28 |
| phaeron | quite standard | 09:28 |
| phaeron | due to resource constraints lbt wants to use nested kvm | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | okay, somehow i got the understanding that you ran lvm on top of a lvm | 09:29 |
| lbt | (we do) | 09:29 |
| phaeron | only if you do nested kvm | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | why the heck do you do that | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:29 |
| phaeron | exactly :D | 09:29 |
| lbt | OK | 09:29 |
| lbt | so I run an IMG worker on a machine | 09:30 |
| lbt | it needs to make a rootfs for the guest it is about to launch | 09:30 |
| lbt | it can use lvm to do this | 09:30 |
| lbt | it makes an LV, copies a filesystem to it and allocates to guest | 09:30 |
| lbt | better | 09:31 |
| lbt | it makes an LV, copies a filesystem to it, makes a writeable snapshot and allocates that to guest | 09:31 |
| lbt | clearly the IMG machine needs lvm | 09:31 |
| phaeron | lbt: no you make the base LV and it snapshots for each job run | 09:31 |
| lbt | yes, that's what I said | 09:31 |
| phaeron | ok | 09:32 |
| phaeron | different wording | 09:32 |
| phaeron | go in | 09:32 |
| phaeron | *go on | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | IMG machine needs lvm, that's reasonable | 09:32 |
| lbt | now if this IMG machine is itself virtual... | 09:32 |
| lbt | it still needs lvm | 09:32 |
| lbt | the phost cannot pass kernel lvm handles to the guest | 09:32 |
| phaeron | yes but I am objecting to the two layers of cpu and disk virtualization | 09:32 |
| lbt | there's many reasons | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | okay, but the nested kvm itself is not lvm, right | 09:32 |
| lbt | no there are 2 things at play here | 09:33 |
| lbt | we could map a dedicated disk to the IMG VM | 09:33 |
| lbt | and then just have lvm/virtio/sata | 09:33 |
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| lbt | or lvm/virtio/md/sata | 09:33 |
| lbt | or lvm/virtio/lvm/md/sata | 09:33 |
| phaeron | kinda like inception :D | 09:33 |
| lbt | and that last one .... that's what we do | 09:34 |
| lbt | it's not a big deal | 09:34 |
| lbt | shall I add in vfs layers? | 09:34 |
| lbt | and fs layers | 09:34 |
| lbt | and scheduler layers | 09:34 |
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| lbt | it will cost us in performance | 09:34 |
| lbt | no doubt about it | 09:34 |
| phaeron | lbt: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/virtual/kvm/nested-vmx.txt the link to the pdf claims 6-8% overhead | 09:34 |
| lbt | OTOH I don't see anyone screaming to upgrade to the latest CPU or SATA3 drives or... | 09:35 |
| phaeron | the other thing is this layering _could_ introduce subtle bugs | 09:35 |
| phaeron | I have no idea how stable is nested kvm | 09:36 |
| lbt | stop with the fud | 09:36 |
| lbt | sure it may introduce bugs - so might using kvm vs xen | 09:36 |
| lbt | or running qemu for arm compiles | 09:36 |
| phaeron | what fud | 09:36 |
| lbt | any change in any tech could introduce bugs | 09:37 |
| lbt | which is why we're trying this out and watching carefully | 09:37 |
| lbt | sometimes it feels like the infra area is a bit of a bikeshed.... | 09:38 |
| lbt | there's *always* many solutions | 09:38 |
| lbt | there's often no best solution | 09:38 |
| lbt | good enough is good enough | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | a few things.. The current code supports running Linux guests under KVM guests. | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | 38Only 64-bit guest hypervisors are supported. | 09:39 |
| lbt | yep - I run all VMs on 64bit | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | as an example, mer isn't 64-bit | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | and if that's what we use to build images with.. | 09:40 |
| lbt | Mer won't be running the IMG host | 09:40 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: that just pertains to the hypervisor | 09:40 |
| lbt | it will be a leaf VM | 09:40 |
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| dm8tbr | vms can be 32bit | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | mmkay | 09:40 |
| phaeron | ok well let's try it and see how it goes | 09:41 |
| lbt | phaeron: ty | 09:41 |
| phaeron | exposing a disk big enough to be used as a vg should be ok | 09:41 |
| phaeron | with virtio | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | if it breaks to an extent that we need more then 3-4 days to fix it, buy a phost | 09:41 |
| phaeron | pv/bg | 09:41 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: agree | 09:41 |
| phaeron | grr pv /vg | 09:42 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yep - I was deferring that until I'd had a chance to think through the hetzner options | 09:42 |
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| lbt | since we need to start thinking about racks and things | 09:42 |
| lbt | phaeron: you mean /vg/pv/ :) | 09:42 |
| lbt | or bg/pv/ if you apply all your ///////// | 09:43 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I'd like to contact stefan again and see how things stand wrt the other hardware he mentioned | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:44 |
| * lbt glares at Sage_ ...... after I change bash a bit | 09:44 | |
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| phaeron | lbt: ok n# of jobs / workers able run in parallel = n# of cpus * 256mb ram * 20Gb vg free space + 20 Gb for base LV | 09:46 |
| phaeron | and "host" vm needs 1 cpu + 512mb ram approx. | 09:47 |
| lbt | yes - bear in mind that we have a 3Tb VG on the phost | 09:47 |
| lbt | so don't worry *too* much about disk space | 09:47 |
| lbt | ie allocate a large lv to act as the pv | 09:48 |
| phaeron | would be useful to have the "host" vm something recent like debian testing | 09:48 |
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| phaeron | ok bbl doc. appt. | 09:48 |
| lbt | no problem | 09:48 |
| lbt | Sage_: I meant the BuildRequires: readline to be a Requires anyhow... | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | Requires: readline is bad? | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:51 |
| lbt | .... because although rpm has a Requires, it tends to add its own ones magically | 09:52 |
| lbt | ? | 09:52 |
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| Stskeeps | it should | 09:56 |
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| lbt | *nod* ... my default mental model of packaging is still debian ... | 09:58 |
| lbt | so... whilst I'm on this... Sage_ says : use BuildRequires: pkgconfig(ncurses) instead of BuildRequires: ncurses-devel .... OK ... sane.... so why doesn't BuildRequires: pkgconfig(readline) instead of BuildRequires: readline-devel work? unresolvable: nothing provides pkgconfig(readline) And how should I know that? Is this just a bug in readline packaging that doesn't provide the pkgconfig? | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | correct, or they don't provide a pkgconfig | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | ideally we'd have pkgconfig for all -devel | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | though linux software is a friggin mess | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:08 |
| lbt | OK thanks | 10:08 |
| slaine | lbt, ok, got a few mins to point me to step 1 in a commissioning an internal Mer OBS ? I assume I should start with your Setup OBS wiki page ? | 10:13 |
| lbt | slaine: OK | 10:13 |
| slaine | I'm gonna leave my VM setup on my desktop as is | 10:13 |
| lbt | let me enter this bug | 10:13 |
| slaine | give me a poke when you're free | 10:14 |
| slaine | I've plenty on here too | 10:14 |
| lbt | no prob | 10:14 |
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| kulve | I'm now trying to boot up the Mer Core but I'm getting only systemd complaints about exiting processes: http://pastie.org/3478878 | 10:14 |
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| kulve | any ideas what I'm missing? | 10:15 |
| lbt | hmm a bug where Stskeeps isn't cc'ed | 10:15 |
| lbt | slaine: OK - done | 10:16 |
| lbt | so ... is this going to scale up to production | 10:16 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: what tty is your serial console on? | 10:22 |
| kulve | O2 | 10:22 |
| Sage_ | lbt: yes, so readline dep should come automatically from rpm when it checks the dynamic lib requirements and adds those to the package. | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: what was systemd pkg name for ttyO2? | 10:23 |
| Sage_ | lbt: readline doesn't offer .pc file so rpm database doesn't see it. Simple reason and well those things are just somethign you a) know b) checkout c) use spectacle which tells you :) | 10:24 |
| lbt | so is the .pc file provided by upstream? | 10:24 |
| Sage_ | systemd-console-* | 10:24 |
| Sage_ | lbt: I don't think so as we are using the upstream package AFAIK | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: add systemd-console-ttyO2 to .ks %packages | 10:25 |
| Sage_ | lbt: there are many packages that do not provide .pc file | 10:25 |
| lbt | s/is/should/ | 10:25 |
| lbt | OK - so as packagers we don't add them | 10:25 |
| Sage_ | lbt: :nod: | 10:25 |
| * lbt marks #200 invalid :) | 10:25 | |
| Sage_ | you can add it but you should push it to upstream first and from there it should come to us. | 10:26 |
| kulve | lbt: you mentioned that I could try SDK upgrade? How exactly..? | 10:26 |
| Sage_ | lbt: have time today to talk about the spectacle? | 10:26 |
| lbt | kulve: first the obligatory do a backup warning | 10:27 |
| kulve | ok, next ;) | 10:27 |
| lbt | zypper ref | 10:29 |
| lbt | zypper up mer-chroot | 10:29 |
| lbt | kulve: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00296.html | 10:31 |
| lbt | Sage_: spectacle | 10:31 |
| lbt | Is there anything in the bug that is actually spectacle? or is it all boss CI issues? | 10:31 |
| lbt | I agree, BOSS CI should allow any version of spectacle to be used to make changes to production releases. | 10:32 |
| lbt | Since it is just checking that no manual changes are made to the spec outside the predefined areas and yaml->spec is valid using the 'approved' version of spectacle then if there's no discrepancy other than the commented version then it doesn't matter | 10:32 |
| lbt | if your new version *does* do things differently - that's rejected as it's not the official spectacle version | 10:33 |
| lbt | kulve: ping if/when you need a hand | 10:33 |
| kulve | lbt: I guess: s,mer-chroot,sdk-chroot, ? | 10:33 |
| lbt | oh, yeah :) | 10:33 |
| lbt | hence the email link and not memory :) | 10:33 |
| kulve | mer-chroot didn't do much but sdk-chroot updated 2 packages | 10:33 |
| lbt | the mail has detailed steps | 10:34 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: well it is spectacle issue as spectacle doesn't allow that functionality but aborts if it happens. | 10:36 |
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| lbt | OK | 10:36 |
| Sage_ | I think it would be ok just to ignore the version in general and if there are changes in .spec after running spectacle then boss should abort anyway. | 10:37 |
| lbt | yup | 10:37 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: suggested checking some features against spectacle version which could be nice but not sure if that is needed actually. | 10:37 |
| lbt | the bug as described seems to be a boss process bug | 10:38 |
| lbt | suggest moving it to boss CI and opening a spectacle only one? | 10:38 |
| Sage_ | lbt: what bug? | 10:38 |
| lbt | 192 | 10:38 |
| Sage_ | that is spectacle bug it just happended to happen on boss where I took out the log. You can reproduce it on cmdline as well. | 10:39 |
| Sage_ | edit .spec file to version 1000 for example and run "specify --non-interactive" | 10:40 |
| Sage_ | I mean the spectacle version to 1000 | 10:40 |
| lbt | yep | 10:40 |
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| kulve | lbt: hmm.. I don't seem to get ~/.mersdkrc.profile working. I tried setting the PS1 and http_proxy but they are not set inside the chroot | 10:41 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: anyway the --non-interactive should proably answer N to that question in the future as well, so maybe just adding new cmdline option --no-version-check to ignore that? | 10:41 |
| lbt | remove the rc ... ~/.mersdk.profile | 10:42 |
| lbt | so no-one else noted that :) | 10:42 |
| kulve | much better, thanks :) | 10:43 |
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| lbt | Sage_: OK ... an old version of this: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/boss-standard-workflow/blobs/master/participants/check_yaml_matches_spec.py#line159 used to verify the versions matched | 10:44 |
| lbt | that is what confused me | 10:44 |
| Sage_ | lbt: oh, well I requested that boss doesn't care about spectacle version at some point IIRC :) | 10:45 |
| lbt | yeah - I really thought that was the issue and where the errors came from - my bad | 10:46 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: adding the systemd-console-ttyO2 didn't change anything visible | 10:46 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: the issue is here https://meego.gitorious.org/~sage/meego-developer-tools/sages-spectacle/blobs/master/spectacle/specify.py#line1436 | 10:47 |
| lbt | back in 30m | 10:49 |
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| slaine | now I've another meeting about a meeting I'll be having this afternoon, facepalm | 11:05 |
| Anssi138 | nice looking web pages. http://www.openwebdevice.com/ | 11:05 |
| slaine | nod | 11:05 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: btw, I didn't enable CONFIG_FANOTIFY as I didn't find it in my 2.6.32 kernel | 11:16 |
| kulve | not sure if that causes problems | 11:16 |
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| Sage_ | kulve: IIRC that is optional | 11:20 |
| Sage_ | recommended but option | 11:20 |
| Sage_ | optional* | 11:20 |
| kulve | so I read and that's why I didn't pay too much attention to it | 11:21 |
| kulve | what's the exit status 213? | 11:21 |
| kulve | I'm wondering if I have something obvious missing from the kernel or something.. | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | will take a look when i'm back at my desk, did you get a login: yet? | 11:24 |
| kulve | nope, it stucks there looping with the exiting processes | 11:26 |
| kulve | I took an Android kernel as a base and it could be missing something critical | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | should work.. | 11:28 |
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| kulve | I enabled systemd debugs and this is what it says about the exiting processes: | 11:34 |
| kulve | <31>systemd[1]: Child 58 died (code=exited, status=213/SECUREBITS) | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: ok, give me a log from after you've added systemd-console-ttyO2 package | 11:51 |
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| vgrade | hey _Thomas, any new on the developer devices, http://www.reghardware.com/2012/02/28/fxi_technologies_offers_cotton_candy_linux_pc_on_a_stick/ | 11:53 |
| slaine | I knew that was _Thomas device when I saw it | 11:55 |
| slaine | cool | 11:55 |
| vgrade | pre-ordered anyway | 11:57 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: do you want the full kernel boot log or the user-space part? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | userspace i guses | 11:58 |
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| lbt | RE meeting Stskeeps ? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | RE meeting in #mer-meeting now | 12:00 |
| lbt | phaeron: ^^ | 12:01 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: I need to stop hacking this for the day but I'll be reading the IRC later and continuing the bring-up in the morning | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 12:10 |
| phaeron | back from dr. app. | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | kid feeling better? | 12:14 |
| phaeron | yeah but maybe tonsillectomy indicated for later | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, he gets to have a lot of icecream afterwads then | 12:14 |
| phaeron | good for him and I get all the headache | 12:15 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: alsa-lib, alsa-utils, udev, systemd, xdg-utils, libarchive, swig, libdrm at least would need a rereview tricker | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:37 |
| Sage_ | most of them crashed to qt-mobility or qtwebkit builds :/ | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:40 |
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| lbt | yeah - it'd be nice to co-rack the infra in Hetzner | 13:00 |
| lbt | we'd get a switch and stuff | 13:01 |
| lbt | but it costs to move servers so ideally we'd decide to go for it and then buy new ones | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | we need a non-profit to do this sanely | 13:01 |
| lbt | maybe prod asiego and see if he has an eta on funding thoughts | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | remember that action point | 13:01 |
| lbt | Denise has done a lot of work on that | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | report on 2nd? | 13:02 |
| lbt | we have an appt with our coop bank too | 13:02 |
| lbt | since they may advise us | 13:02 |
| lbt | yes | 13:02 |
| phaeron | maybe they waive if we buy while moving | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | either way, just saying there's a strict dependency on that in order to get a sane system | 13:02 |
| lbt | phaeron: they do to some degree | 13:02 |
| lbt | I'm not sure there is | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | we can't have multiple contributors in one rack, it can get messy | 13:02 |
| phaeron | so lets plan that so anyone who wants to chip in is encouraged to do so at that time | 13:03 |
| lbt | I'd want all moneys to go through a single point | 13:03 |
| lbt | ie me | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | ie the nonprofit, you mean | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:03 |
| lbt | then we can do accounts | 13:03 |
| lbt | it actually doesn't matter as long as it's accounted | 13:03 |
| lbt | then when the non-profit is setup we can xfer | 13:04 |
| lbt | we mainly need total transparency on it | 13:04 |
| lbt | which is fine | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | which reminds me.. tshirt bill for me? | 13:04 |
| lbt | (and yes, there's trust issue) | 13:04 |
| lbt | no need - they messed up printing the t-shirts with that small white line | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:04 |
| lbt | so I got a 2nd shipment | 13:04 |
| lbt | also messed up | 13:05 |
| lbt | but no-one cared | 13:05 |
| lbt | so we have a load of spare t-shirts now | 13:05 |
| lbt | any cash -> the mer account | 13:05 |
| lbt | so far we're ~£30 down | 13:05 |
| lbt | but we have >20 t-shirts :) | 13:06 |
| lbt | maybe I should tweet that soon :) | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | i screwed up on my local conferences btw, http://opensourcedays.org/2012/all-abstracts | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | in cph | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of qt5 content | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | should have sent a mer talk | 13:07 |
| lbt | it says it's not too late | 13:07 |
| lbt | do it | 13:07 |
| lbt | Mer is influential | 13:07 |
| lbt | bbiab | 13:07 |
| lbt | being called | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but i'm not going to be able to go to .dk in that period sadly :/ | 13:07 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: ^ | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | is that on your local p? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | c | 13:30 |
| Sage_ | yes | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | https://github.com/Merproject/obs-build , https://github.com/Merproject/osc | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | make install those | 13:30 |
| Sage_ | new mer core broke old things? | 13:31 |
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| Stskeeps | no, it just reverts to qemu only builds when you don't support sb2 | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | which don't work too well atm it seems | 13:34 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: so, the log didn't reveal anything obvious to you? Any hints what I could test in the morning? | 13:43 |
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| vgrade | lbt, let me know when you have that point for donations | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: i think the thing about credentials and securebits is the hint we need to look at -- do you have posix capabilities? | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | enabled in kernel | 13:44 |
| kulve | no | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | and what fs are you on? | 13:45 |
| kulve | ext4 | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:45 |
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| Stskeeps | it strikes me as really odd /bin/mount /run /var/run -t bind -o bind fails | 13:46 |
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| kulve | does it actually manage to exec any prosesses? | 13:50 |
| kulve | or is something denying the exec | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | i assume you didn't have nosuid/noexec accidentially on the file system when you untarred the system | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | and used tar --numeric-owner -pjxf | 13:51 |
| kulve | I didn't have that p in there | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | well i would assume it tries to exec as it gets SIGCHLD and a status code | 13:51 |
| slaine | lbt, Stskeeps right, ISO, openSuse 11.4 or OBS appliance ISO ? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: get a bog standard opensuse 11.4 iso, not appliance | 13:52 |
| slaine | grand, doing that now | 13:52 |
| slaine | DVD variaty ? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | "JeOS" should be ok | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | just enough os that is | 13:52 |
| slaine | Yeah, that's the appliance :) | 13:53 |
| slaine | I've the DVD image downloading | 13:53 |
| slaine | 11.4, seems so old ;) | 13:54 |
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| lbt | vgrade: will do | 14:00 |
| slaine | hey lbt, today is a meetings washout for me it seems. However, I'm downloading openSuse 11.4 64bit atm | 14:00 |
| lbt | slaine: OK | 14:00 |
| lbt | you may not need all that | 14:01 |
| lbt | I run OBS on a minimal JEOS install | 14:01 |
| slaine | Is there a URL in the wiki guide, that I was supposed to have read ;) | 14:01 |
| lbt | do you have any suse VMs to bootstrap from | 14:01 |
| lbt | no, I don't really want to maintain OS installation guides | 14:02 |
| lbt | it's like "you will need".... "an OS" | 14:02 |
| slaine | What about the OBS appliance ISO's | 14:02 |
| lbt | no | 14:02 |
| lbt | too blackbox | 14:02 |
| slaine | they're basically JeOS for OBS | 14:02 |
| slaine | Once installed though, it's just a trimmed down customized 11.4 I thought | 14:03 |
| lbt | so, back to the original question too | 14:03 |
| lbt | is this going to scale up? | 14:03 |
| lbt | or are you just playing? | 14:03 |
| slaine | Bit of both | 14:03 |
| slaine | My goal | 14:03 |
| slaine | 1) Get OBS setup internally | 14:03 |
| lbt | OK - so a multi-VM solution | 14:03 |
| lbt | we'll split fe/be | 14:03 |
| slaine | 2) Get Mer building on my Internal OBS and sync'd with outside | 14:04 |
| lbt | and have discrete workers | 14:04 |
| slaine | 3) Be able to build nemomobile internally | 14:04 |
| lbt | *nod* | 14:04 |
| slaine | Once I've those 3 done, I'll be in a position to play around and get a few device adaptions done for our products | 14:04 |
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| lbt | yep | 14:06 |
| lbt | so are you planning to virtualise? | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | (what dell server type was it again?) | 14:07 |
| lbt | R610? | 14:07 |
| slaine | R410 | 14:09 |
| slaine | Dual Xeon, currently only has 2G, I've ordered another 16GB | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok, still xeon | 14:09 |
| lbt | slaine: so kvm on the base machine and then install VMs for fe/be/worker ? | 14:11 |
| slaine | I am putty in your hands | 14:11 |
| slaine | but that's basically what I did on my desktop play around before xmas | 14:12 |
| lbt | OK - lets do that then | 14:12 |
| slaine | nod | 14:12 |
| lbt | I'd use 12.1 on the phost as it gives you better LVM | 14:12 |
| lbt | still a minimal server install | 14:12 |
| lbt | and you're only using it to run kvm essentially | 14:12 |
| lbt | you'll need 11.4 for the OBS | 14:13 |
| lbt | as it's still not happy on 12.1 | 14:13 |
| slaine | ok | 14:14 |
| slaine | these probably won't be downloaded anytime soon | 14:15 |
| lbt | OK | 14:15 |
| slaine | 3 hours | 14:15 |
| phaeron | lbt: so do I start messing around on phost5 ? | 14:15 |
| lbt | slaine: Once they're downloaded can you make a hack VM on your desktop or something? | 14:16 |
| slaine | I guess that works out ok, seeing s I'm on meetings calls for the next few hours | 14:16 |
| slaine | lbt, yup | 14:16 |
| slaine | I've got several | 14:16 |
| lbt | phaeron: yes, but I already made the kvm module nested=1 | 14:17 |
| phaeron | yes I noticed | 14:17 |
| lbt | so you should just need tomake a big LV and virsh edit imgw1 | 14:18 |
| lbt | to add it as a vdd or whatever | 14:18 |
| lbt | slaine: we're looking to run something like kiwi --prepare suse-11.4-JeOS --root $ROOTFS --add-package less --add-package iputils --add-package wget --add-package less --add-package iputils --add-package terminfo --add-package emacs --add-package sudo | 14:19 |
| lbt | or if you have a preferred way to make a minimal Suse that's OK too | 14:19 |
| slaine | not familiar with kiwi | 14:19 |
| slaine | Not a suse user at all | 14:19 |
| slaine | Fedora/Debian are my comfortzones | 14:20 |
| lbt | no, I'm not either - I avoid yast | 14:20 |
| lbt | *nod* treat it like fedora commandline only | 14:20 |
| phaeron | lbt: virsh :/ | 14:20 |
| lbt | phaeron: yeah - safe way to edit the xml | 14:20 |
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| _Thomas | vgrade: Register for pre-ordering, and you'll get access to the early ones | 14:29 |
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| vgrade | _Thomas, thanks, already on the pre-order list, thanks | 14:30 |
| _Thomas | Good :) | 14:30 |
| vgrade | _Thomas, I see the initial release will be with Android but will you have some vanilla Linux Mali pieces for us? | 14:32 |
| _Thomas | yes | 14:34 |
| _Thomas | ubuntu with mali drivers will be there as well | 14:35 |
| slaine | great | 14:35 |
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| lbt | phaeron: enabling ldap on img | 14:45 |
| phaeron | lbt: ok | 14:46 |
| lbt | does it have group filtering? | 14:46 |
| phaeron | I am fixing up my ssh config screwed it up by mistake | 14:46 |
| lbt | *nod* | 14:46 |
| phaeron | mm let me refresh on that part of code | 14:47 |
| lbt | have to say, the error messages were useful - I needed to install ldap and django-auth-ldap | 14:48 |
| lbt | totally obvious :) | 14:48 |
| lbt | yay | 14:48 |
| phaeron | lbt: can you embed the desired group attribute in the ldap_dn_template config ? | 14:51 |
| lbt | sure | 14:52 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: should i schedule you for doing the first snapshot from +2w ? (probably tomorrow) | 14:57 |
| lbt | using the new OBS mechanism? | 14:58 |
| lbt | (are you talking Mer release?) | 14:59 |
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| Stskeeps | just a regular one, we have one technical thing that needs to be sorted out (libpcre didn't provide a backwards compatible .so.0 and it's part of basic essential set) | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | and not full release, just a .0.0.1 | 15:01 |
| Sage_ | it might be that we need to second package called pcre-compat that compiles the old version. | 15:01 |
| lbt | OK - so that's the pre-release snap on wed 14the? | 15:02 |
| lbt | then the main release +2w on thursday 15th ? | 15:02 |
| lbt | seems close together | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | what? | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:03 |
| Sage_ | Frist pre-release snap should come tomorrow or something IMO :) | 15:03 |
| * lbt re-parses statement | 15:03 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: is there any good reason why we need to do that, btw? we just need to keep the core in a sane state | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: ie, you can now go ahead and remove the pcre link | 15:03 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: ? | 15:03 |
| Sage_ | ah pcre | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | urgh.. i knew we should have done this some other way.. | 15:04 |
| Sage_ | so I'm mainly pondering what will hapen during updates if there isn't pcre.so.0 available | 15:04 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: sure | 15:04 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: done what? :) | 15:04 |
| * Sage_ ponders how many topic are dicussed atm. :) | 15:04 | |
| Stskeeps | the libpcre stuff | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: long story short we have a soname change for a build essential package, ie, mentioned in prjconf, where pcre moves from libpcre.so.0 to libpcre.so.3 | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | just ignoring this fact will of course cause a bunch of unresolvables as suddenly new builds can't start as libpcre.so.0 can't resolve | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | one of the reasons for the prerelease is to make vendors do the transition if needed, by having both .so.0 and .so.3 | 15:07 |
| timoph | hey. what time would be good for you for the sdk meeting on thu? | 15:09 |
| * lbt looks up from LDAP and nods like he understands | 15:09 | |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: in theory we should be ok after the core has build itself once with the new pcre. | 15:09 |
| Sage_ | and we can remove the .so.0 then | 15:09 |
| Sage_ | but I'm not sure does it really work like that or not :P | 15:10 |
| Sage_ | at least that was the way fedora did it. | 15:10 |
| * Stskeeps looks how opensuse did it | 15:10 | |
| Sage_ | http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=pcre.git | 15:10 |
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| lbt | phaeron: no, you can't | 15:11 |
| lbt | apparently | 15:11 |
| phaeron | lbt: it's not an attr ? | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | anyone who want to try to cross compile from OBS to windows? :> | 15:12 |
| * lbt takes that task | 15:12 | |
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| lbt | (and buries it) | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: welcome to reality: mer cross compiler needs to exist for qt sdk for windows | 15:12 |
| lbt | phaeron: it is ... but setting: "(&(cn=%(user)s,ou=people,dc=merproject,dc=org)(memberof=cn=img,ou=groups,dc=merproject,dc=org))" | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | how best to do this? :) | 15:13 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: there are some mingw builds in suse obs | 15:13 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, that's what i figured | 15:13 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: it's fine, I buried it deep, you won't hear the screams | 15:13 |
| phaeron | maybe cheat from there | 15:13 |
| lbt | and yes, OBS has windows as a target | 15:13 |
| * Sage_ ponders if someone will hit him with a tux if he volunteers to try that at some point ;) | 15:14 | |
| lbt | phaeron: although it could be broken wrt memberof | 15:14 |
| phaeron | lbt: that doesn't look correct | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: i'm hoping core-toolchain can help that stuff a lot.. think using spec files to build for window | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | s | 15:15 |
| lbt | and yet it is :) - see api production.rb config for the example | 15:15 |
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| * Sage_ dreams of using spectacle and building rpm packages on windows... oh, wait... what?... | 15:15 | |
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| phaeron | lbt: obs does a scope=subtree search | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: ;) | 15:16 |
| phaeron | afair | 15:16 |
| phaeron | lbt: default img settings.py does a direct bind | 15:16 |
| phaeron | lbt: http://packages.python.org/django-auth-ldap/#auth-ldap-user-dn-template | 15:17 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: we should not need pcre.so.0 after core is rebuild, but the updating is open questions but we can try that with the second prerelease after the .so.0 is removed. | 15:17 |
| lbt | OK - so then no, that idea won't work | 15:17 |
| phaeron | so you might need to change the settings.py | 15:17 |
| lbt | to.. ? | 15:18 |
| lbt | settings.py ... OK | 15:18 |
| lbt | fyi, not working at cli yet | 15:19 |
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| phaeron | lbt: http://packages.python.org/django-auth-ldap/#configuring-basic-authentication | 15:20 |
| phaeron | it will probably look like that one | 15:20 |
| lbt | AUTH_LDAP_USER_SEARCH - yeah | 15:20 |
| lbt | looks like it may need code changes | 15:21 |
| lbt | or it'll be overwriiten during upgrade | 15:21 |
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| lbt | typo | 15:23 |
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| phaeron | lbt: dpkg override ? | 15:25 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: we can first remove pcre hack in +4w, if anyone follows mer release, they follow upon major releases | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: i'll set a calendar item to remember it | 15:26 |
| lbt | phaeron: nah, IMG is likely to be a restricted service quite often | 15:26 |
| phaeron | but the default one should allow that. *sigh* | 15:26 |
| lbt | so supporting filters is sane | 15:26 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: ok | 15:27 |
| phaeron | we used http basic auth originally | 15:27 |
| * lbt has : "Public CALDAV Calendar for Mer Events" as a sometime todo | 15:27 | |
| lbt | phaeron: *nod* | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: did we file a bug for pcre hack? | 15:27 |
| lbt | I wouldn't object | 15:27 |
| lbt | I take it the hack is to provide both ? | 15:28 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: probably not | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: let's get it in then | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: the hack is to use the old .so.0 | 15:28 |
| Sage_ | lbt: the hack is ugly :D | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | and because of prjconf and all that mess, i think this is the only sane way | 15:28 |
| lbt | ie don't provide .so.3 ? | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | it provides both | 15:29 |
| Sage_ | lbt: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/pcre.git;a=blob;f=pcre.spec;h=afcb89e9fbddbd1f3897732f7aa8e3ed539fabf1;hb=HEAD#l84 | 15:29 |
| Sage_ | btw. it is .so.0 and .so.1 | 15:29 |
| lbt | so ... did Stskeeps typo the 0.3 ? | 15:30 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 15:30 |
| lbt | k | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | yes, typo | 15:30 |
| lbt | mmk ... just let me know if I need to do anything special for the snapshot | 15:31 |
| * lbt goes back to ldap ... | 15:31 | |
| Stskeeps | opensuse's solution was a disabled aggregate | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:32 |
| lbt | the good thing about tomorrows problems is that it's today | 15:33 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: disabled aggregate? | 15:34 |
| Sage_ | so just left old copy of pcre to repos? | 15:34 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 15:34 |
| Sage_ | well almost the same thing | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: now check review.merproject.org/414 and in "Old version history" select "Patch set 2" | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | er, i mean patch set 1 | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | .. or not | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | select patch set 1 in "old version history, and open patch set 2 | 15:40 |
| * Sage_ notices extra line in the end of .changes file ;) | 15:41 | |
| Stskeeps | and you can see your old comments and the new chnage | 15:41 |
| Sage_ | nice | 15:42 |
| * Stskeeps curses and submits patchset 3 | 15:42 | |
| Sage_ | wait :) | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | ps4 | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:43 |
| * Sage_ did review ;) | 15:43 | |
| Stskeeps | ps5 here we go .. | 15:43 |
| * Sage_ switches off the syntax checker in his head. | 15:44 | |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP5cMQTyl98&feature=player_embedded - Danny Bennett's HTML5 in a Plasma-Active World - ELC 2012 | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade, lbt: btw, we got namedropped in http://lfov.net/webrecorder/c/?cid=LF_5eefa99a&lid=559&vid=a92222dd-e7d3-4bf9-bc6b-ff816ce25707&email=carsten.munk%40gmail.com&kid=29&ts=0 | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | err... | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, webcast on "An introduction to Tizen" | 16:19 |
| lbt | in a good way ? :) | 16:20 |
| lbt | (registration required) | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | not strictly negative, but they do refer to merproject.org and says it remains to be seen what comes out of it | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | and this webcast got mentioned in latest "What's New in Qt from ICS" | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | newsletter | 16:22 |
| lbt | sounds good then - I have no problem with people becoming aware of Mer and then evaluating it against other solutions :) | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:22 |
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| vgrade | Advent Vega :) | 16:29 |
| lbt | phaeron: Stskeeps could you try to login to img using normal bz passwd | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | url.? | 16:30 |
| lbt | should fail just now ... then I'll add you to the group | 16:30 |
| lbt | https://img.merproject.org/img/ | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, logged in | 16:31 |
| lbt | :( | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | not supposed to work? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:31 |
| lbt | should reject you | 16:31 |
| lbt | ah wait | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | i has the power | 16:32 |
| lbt | not anymore :) | 16:33 |
| lbt | can you logout | 16:33 |
| lbt | and then try again | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | not succesful | 16:33 |
| lbt | and now | 16:33 |
| lbt | nope - looks like not ... OK ... re-read django docs | 16:34 |
| phaeron | lbt: how many parallel image build jobs do you expect we want to do | 16:45 |
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| lbt | not many | 16:46 |
| lbt | 2, maybe 3 just so we can | 16:46 |
| lbt | just hacking on settings.py to do ldapgroups | 16:46 |
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| lbt | AUTH_LDAP_REQUIRE_GROUP | 16:46 |
| lbt | bbiam | 16:47 |
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| eocanha | It there an easy way to know which source package a given binary package comes from? | 16:58 |
| eocanha | for instance, I want to know which source package originated the "libblkid" bin package in mer:Core:i586 | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | that's util-linux, i think, but rpm -qp --queryformat '%{SOURCERPM}' foo.rpm | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | might do it | 16:59 |
| eocanha | thanks! | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'll schedule some MDS work for tomorrow afternoon, i have to pre-empt a bit with some sb2-obs rebase work | 17:01 |
| alh | b/ 18 | 17:02 |
| alh | Hi. | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | moo alh | 17:02 |
| alh | Woof | 17:02 |
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| lbt | ok | 17:06 |
| phaeron | lbt: virsh edited imgw1 , check please ? | 17:10 |
| lbt | willdo - can you review img.conf and settings.py on img - check err log too | 17:11 |
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| lbt | just 100G ? | 17:13 |
| lbt | is that a new LV ? | 17:14 |
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| phaeron | lbt: yes | 17:15 |
| phaeron | why | 17:15 |
| phaeron | lbt: 20G base os + 20 * number of workers | 17:15 |
| phaeron | it's more than is needed | 17:16 |
| lbt | I'd make it 500G | 17:16 |
| lbt | we can allocate some to the main worker as storage too | 17:16 |
| phaeron | ok , I was being conservative , and we can lvextend later | 17:18 |
| phaeron | lbt: cmds_data is 50G | 17:18 |
| phaeron | lbt: I can login to img now, can you try ? | 17:20 |
| lbt | if you can it's broken :) | 17:20 |
| phaeron | lbt: it says failed for me in the log , but probably fell back to the db user created earlier | 17:21 |
| phaeron | lbt: what about you ? | 17:21 |
| lbt | I can login | 17:21 |
| phaeron | is that wrong too ? | 17:21 |
| lbt | no, I'm in the group | 17:21 |
| phaeron | cool so fixed | 17:22 |
| lbt | it should forbid you if you're not in LDAP shouldn't it | 17:22 |
| phaeron | it falls back to db users | 17:23 |
| lbt | that's bad | 17:23 |
| phaeron | lbt: because the backend is enabled | 17:23 |
| phaeron | those are created manually | 17:23 |
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| lbt | let me delete you from be then | 17:24 |
| lbt | try now | 17:25 |
| phaeron | ok | 17:25 |
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| phaeron | failed to login | 17:25 |
| lbt | now? | 17:26 |
| phaeron | let me try to remember ldap pass | 17:26 |
| lbt | bugzilla one | 17:26 |
| phaeron | lbt: logged in | 17:26 |
| lbt | logout and try again | 17:27 |
| phaeron | lbt: failed | 17:27 |
| lbt | good | 17:27 |
| lbt | I guess you are in the be but have no pw now | 17:28 |
| lbt | I'll delete me too | 17:28 |
| lbt | added to ldap - you should be able to login again | 17:28 |
| phaeron | lbt: users created by ldap backend will be owned by it | 17:28 |
| phaeron | lbt: yes logged in now | 17:28 |
| lbt | added sage and vgrade too | 17:29 |
| lbt | if you'd like you could take the settings.py and img.conf as a patch :) | 17:29 |
| lbt | I think the search stuff is a red herring | 17:29 |
| lbt | bbiam .. need to go and laser the back garden during twilight ... light enough to see, dark enough to see the laser :) | 17:30 |
| phaeron | star wars ? | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | jedilbt | 17:31 |
| Sage_ | lbt: added me where? | 17:32 |
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| phaeron | Sage_: imager | 17:33 |
| phaeron | Sage_: https://img.merproject.org/img/ | 17:34 |
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| lbt | back - garden is now level :) | 17:55 |
| lbt | smoking slightly | 17:55 |
| lbt | dealextreme sells some serious lasers nowadays you know.... | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | you did what..? | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:57 |
| lbt | *g* sadly more boring - need to see the high points in the rubble before putting a thin concrete skim over it - laser level at twilight makes it easy to see them | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | ah okay | 17:58 |
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| lbt | radeon 0000:01:00.0: GPU lockup CP stall for more than 158212msec .... | 18:00 |
| lbt | that's new | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | on where? | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | hello tot0che | 18:00 |
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| lbt | desktop ... | 18:01 |
| lbt | radeon 0000:01:00.0: GPU softreset; radeon 0000:01:00.0: GPU reset succeed | 18:02 |
| lbt | so that's OK then | 18:02 |
| lbt | phaeron: img changes commited to dcp now | 18:02 |
| lbt | want to fire up imgw1 | 18:02 |
| * Stskeeps needs a development obs.. | 18:03 | |
| lbt | we do | 18:05 |
| lbt | I did some work at Nokia to describe a decent staging environment | 18:06 |
| lbt | it's quite complex when you want to stage BOSS too | 18:06 |
| lbt | the MINT team had some LVM snapshot based scripts I helped put together that we used to deploy discrete OBS networks | 18:07 |
| lbt | maybe phaeron can dig them out | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | well, i need one i can develop on, now that CI does serious stuff ;) | 18:08 |
| lbt | yeah | 18:08 |
| lbt | the point was it had a reset switch | 18:08 |
| lbt | so you could just hack on it and then reset to a deployment based on a number of OBS projects | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:10 |
| Bostik | ooooohh, I want one of those | 18:10 |
| lbt | hire me :) | 18:10 |
| Bostik | ouch :) | 18:11 |
| lbt | I'm sure we can get it setup somehow | 18:12 |
| lbt | it actually handled multiple deployments on virtualised LANs (ie each phost had a bridge for the VMs) | 18:12 |
| lbt | so we could run one for MINT CI and another for developer hacking | 18:13 |
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| phaeron | lbt: I already rebooted it | 18:25 |
| lbt | ok | 18:25 |
| phaeron | lbt: I think nested option for kvm module is not enough | 18:25 |
| phaeron | there might be a switch for kvm itself | 18:25 |
| phaeron | checking locally | 18:26 |
| lbt | there is - you need to enable vmx or some such | 18:26 |
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| lbt | -cpu host | 18:27 |
| lbt | http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/Documentation/virtual/kvm/nested-vmx.txt?a=avr32 | 18:29 |
| phaeron | ok how to add that to virsh | 18:30 |
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| lbt | http://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsCPU ? | 18:32 |
| phaeron | lbt: I guess this is outdated http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/QEMUSwitchToLibvirt#-cpu | 18:34 |
| lbt | obvious eh? | 18:34 |
| phaeron | I don't like libvirt | 18:35 |
| lbt | *g* | 18:35 |
| phaeron | editing | 18:35 |
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| phaeron | virsh deletes the wrong xml .. | 18:40 |
| lbt | ! | 18:41 |
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| phaeron | xml element that its | 18:42 |
| phaeron | *is | 18:42 |
| tot0che | hello ! is it possible to install nemo on eMMC memory ? if yes, can i have tutorial please ? | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | tot0che: it is possible but not generally advised | 18:44 |
| tot0che | why ? | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | tot0che: better to install on a microsd card | 18:45 |
| tot0che | isn't stable ? | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | more like it doesn't give much of a benefit | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | and you should try it out on microsd first as it's very invasive | 18:45 |
| tot0che | ok | 18:46 |
| tot0che | class 10 microsd ? | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | class 6 or above | 18:46 |
| tot0che | ok cool and where can i find a list of features do not work on nemo ? | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | you can check http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo for now | 18:48 |
| phaeron | lbt: why does it keep removing <cpu mode='host-passthrough'/> when I add it | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it " " in xml? | 18:49 |
| phaeron | hmm dunno copied from the libvirt docs | 18:49 |
| tot0che | thank you very much Stskeeps | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | matrixx: ping | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | matrixx: happen to be a photoshop/gimp user? | 18:58 |
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| * Stskeeps doesn't like when the light goes out in the house | 19:20 | |
| Stskeeps | and tv stays on..? | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:21 |
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| matrixx | Stskeeps: used a bit gimp, much more inkscape, photoshop I don't have | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 20:45 |
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| Stskeeps | looking for someone to make a guide from photoshop to qml to mer device | 20:45 |
| * lbt wants a gimp->qml guide | 20:46 | |
| Stskeeps | also possible | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | though photoshop is more of a masses thing | 20:48 |
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| lbt | actually the ideal approach is layered PNG or SVG | 20:50 |
| matrixx | I've heard of those qml plugins, but never tried them out | 20:51 |
| matrixx | could try the gimp version | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: google for photoshop export to qml | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | gimp scripts exists too | 20:51 |
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| matrixx | did you already checkout this: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-2.4/quick-export-to-qml.html ? | 20:53 |
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| matrixx | at least it could be used as a base and continue with the qml -> mer -part | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | looks great | 20:56 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: can you recall any SDK issues that need fixing | 21:57 |
| lbt | I included qemu-usermode-static and fixed the osc diff3/less issues | 21:58 |
| lbt | no bugs logged - but something is nagging me | 21:58 |
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| lbt | hmm ... kickstarter isn't that hot when it comes to some things | 22:10 |
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| lbt | OK, sorted out the kvm issue on imgw1 needed http://libvirt.org/drvqemu.html#qemucommand | 23:25 |
| lbt | 11.4 based guest paniced so upgraded imgw1 to 12.1 and it's fine | 23:25 |
| lbt | not actually tested kvm nesting since it may have issues | 23:26 |
| lbt | so phaeron ^^ fyi | 23:26 |
| lbt | the virt guys tell me you need libvirt 0.9.10 for host-passthrough | 23:27 |
| lbt | timoph: https://img.merproject.org/images/web/lbt/3-20120228-220556/0.20120209.1/images/mer-sdk-i486-chroot/ has a new version of the SDK based on the current release | 23:30 |
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