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| * Stskeeps is entirely too early up | 05:19 | |
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| * timoph agrees | 05:28 | |
| Stskeeps | http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/26/2826829/orange-santa-clara-android-phone-is-intel-based-intel-designed?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter | 05:32 |
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| Stskeeps | fairly interesting to see carriers do own phones effectively | 05:33 |
| timoph | yeah | 05:33 |
| timoph | atom? I wonder if that comes with a buildin fan? :p | 05:34 |
| Stskeeps | well, i think they might have gotten it under control by now | 05:35 |
| Stskeeps | the aava was nice and toasty though | 05:35 |
| timoph | I'd hope so | 05:35 |
| timoph | yeah | 05:35 |
| timoph | I had one of those and that thing really run hot | 05:35 |
| timoph | but it had one good thing. it didn't need a battery to run | 05:36 |
| Stskeeps | point | 05:36 |
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| * Stskeeps opens nokia webcast page for later usage | 05:42 | |
| timoph | what time it starts? | 05:48 |
| Stskeeps | 8:30am barcelona time | 05:48 |
| Stskeeps | (CET) | 05:48 |
| timoph | hmmh. that's 10.30 EEST | 05:48 |
| timoph | collides with lunch :) | 05:49 |
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| Stskeeps | industry changing news: switching to mer | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 05:51 |
| timoph | x) | 05:52 |
| * phaeron has been up since 5am | 05:54 | |
| * Stskeeps passes phaeron coffee | 05:54 | |
| phaeron | kid has fever :( | 05:54 |
| phaeron | otoh implemented 9p virtio shared cache for img worker | 05:55 |
| Stskeeps | really, 9p? | 05:56 |
| Stskeeps | that's the best technology that we have atm? | 05:56 |
| Stskeeps | scary, it does indeed seem so | 05:58 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: what's wrong with that :) | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, that it's monday morning and it' plan9 | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | but ok, if it works... | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:59 |
| phaeron | it's the easiest way to share a directory from host to vm without using smb or something else | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | seems so, yeah | 05:59 |
| phaeron | it's mostly transparent, kvm-qemu does the userspace server transparently (the command is a bit awkward) and the guest kernel just needs 9p virtio support. then you mount the tag | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:01 |
| phaeron | I don't know about concurrent writes and locking. needs testing | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | well, let's see how things work like in practice | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | i guess some problems can come from doing a mic build on top, or osc build | 06:03 |
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| phaeron | stupid router crashed | 06:08 |
| phaeron | did I miss something | 06:08 |
| phaeron | single mic run is fine , I tested it ,multiple times , and that is almost enough to justify it , each run is 2 minutes instead of 48 on my slow link. | 06:08 |
| phaeron | of course taking it a step further would be using _network_ exported 9p shares :D | 06:08 |
| Mirv | good morning, congrats for Nokia switching to Mer :) | 06:08 |
| Stskeeps | so mic run on top of 9p fs works okay? | 06:08 |
| Stskeeps | Mirv: ;) | 06:09 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: cache only | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ah | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | i was thinking that a chroot might be an issue | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | Mirv: planning to get a gta04 btw? | 06:09 |
| Mirv | Stskeeps: yes I'm on the group order thing, have to see what are the options if that doesn't happen | 06:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:10 |
| Stskeeps | should be trivial to get Mer on there | 06:10 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: Aard and I got root mounted off 9p so it's not far fetched | 06:10 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ok | 06:10 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: i'm a little worried about posix acls in case we want to start using those | 06:10 |
| Mirv | should be, probably their kernel + Mer userspace would just boot | 06:11 |
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| Stskeeps | i've considered to kick off a armv4t port of mer, just for kicks | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | as i have my freerunner back | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | but then again, on the freerunner this would be http://xkcd.com/927 | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:12 |
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| * Stskeeps checks out http://steelratstory.com/ | 06:22 | |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: that's why to minimize grief I used it for cache only | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 06:28 |
| timoph | so nomovok also forked meego or are they building on top of tizen? the diagrams look familiar.. | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: imagine 'mer' as upstream distribution in the "Case study: making a mobile phone" (not saying they'd use mer), but that's the general approach.. -- in practice, every vendor forks their upstream distro | 06:30 |
| Stskeeps | like you would with mer, meego, tizen | 06:30 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: yeah. just got to that page and starting thinking that steelrat code looks a lot like Mer core | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a good opportunity for sharing efforts ;) | 06:31 |
| timoph | but a interesting thing in any case | 06:31 |
| timoph | yeah | 06:31 |
| * timoph likes the steelrat logo | 06:34 | |
| Stskeeps | it has improved, yes | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | without disrespect to the graphics people there, they do need to try a little harder with reference ui's | 06:35 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the graphics in it | 06:35 |
| timoph | yep | 06:35 |
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| Aard | Stskeeps: plan9 is quite a decent system, used it for some time a few years ago. was always annoyed about the lack of support of those features in linux... | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: oh, i have nothing against plan9, i have a couple of the research papers laying about | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: just normally it ranks high on the wtf scale when coupled with linux | 06:49 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: it runs even on some old ipaqs. bunch of ipaqs via wifi as cpu-pool was pretty cool some years ago | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:58 |
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| zuh | Nice, no-more-wok has used u8500 as a benchmark platform :) | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | woo :) | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | hello pat | 07:13 |
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| vgrade | morning | 07:25 |
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| Stskeeps | morn vgrade | 07:25 |
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| ben1066 | mohair | 07:36 |
| ben1066 | mohair* | 07:36 |
| ben1066 | android keyboard | 07:36 |
| ben1066 | ohai | 07:36 |
| Mirv | Mary McDowell has not yet mentioned Mer! | 07:44 |
| Mirv | there must be an error somewhere | 07:45 |
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| Stskeeps | Mirv: in a moment, one of our agents will run on stage and throw mer stickers all over the crowd.. | 07:45 |
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| Stskeeps | ;) | 07:45 |
| Mirv | as our dumbphones are getting smarter and smarter, our smartphones are getting dumber and dumber | 07:53 |
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| leinir | Mirv: i was thinking that ;) | 07:55 |
| leinir | New release of Nokia Drive, with offline capabilities! ...funny, i thought it had that already? ;) | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | this time it won't pop up a connection dialog | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | owww, slideshow | 07:57 |
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| * jukkaeklund wondering is there anything in there that would relate to this channel topic.. | 08:00 | |
| Stskeeps | probably not, but it's good to not be blind to what goes on in the rest of the industry | 08:00 |
| Paimen | that ubunut news is really interesting one from mwc | 08:01 |
| jukkaeklund | sure | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | Paimen: the ubuntu on android one? | 08:01 |
| Paimen | yup | 08:01 |
| jukkaeklund | when can I run my favourite linux distro on Mer? | 08:02 |
| jukkaeklund | :p | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: run a chroot ;) | 08:02 |
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| Stskeeps | that said, i do wonder if we could do fancy demos with n900 & exopc | 08:04 |
| jukkaeklund | some youtube stuff would be good | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:05 |
| timoph | yeah | 08:06 |
| timoph | we should | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: how did it go with AR btw? | 08:06 |
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| timoph | AR? | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | augmented reality | 08:06 |
| timoph | ah | 08:07 |
| timoph | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4e0roI7gSk&feature=plcp&context=C33a2eacUDOEgsToPDskIOkqwrNrjPDfY8huIhm9uo | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | on what platform? out of curiousity | 08:07 |
| timoph | that isn't on Mer though | 08:07 |
| timoph | afaik osx | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:07 |
| timoph | but would be a cool demo to port to Mer | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:08 |
| timoph | timakima: how about it? ^ | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | 41mp, really? | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:08 |
| timoph | huh | 08:09 |
| Mirv | the marketing department just had the joy of their life :) | 08:10 |
| Paimen | this goes all the way to 11 | 08:10 |
| Mirv | so if 7 pixels are combined into one, they have a 6 MP sensor that outputs 41MP of data which is then squeeze back to 6 MP | 08:12 |
| Mirv | quality comes from something magic inbetween :) | 08:12 |
| Mirv | but really, probably a pretty good image quality, just wondering what have they done that camera maker marketing departments haven't come up yet | 08:12 |
| Bostik | with MP-overkill comes the opportunity to use light-field exposure | 08:13 |
| Bostik | wouldn't be surprised if that was somehow planned already | 08:13 |
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| lbt | morning all | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 08:27 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I ordered that Archos 101G9 tablet, thanks dm8tbr and vgrade. | 08:28 |
| lbt | what's a good link for the MWC casts? | 08:28 |
| Alison_Chaiken | If my demo works well on mer on the Archos, I'll buy a second, and give one to the customer and keep one for me to show at upcoming events. | 08:28 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: it's at the Q&A now anyway | 08:29 |
| lbt | oh, thought it started 8:30 our time | 08:29 |
| lbt | nm | 08:29 |
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| * Stskeeps puts on some pet shop boys and gets hackin' | 08:31 | |
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| jukkaeklund | Alison_Chaiken, me too but returned it right away since the "real" Turbo model is not out yet.. | 08:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | jukkaeklund, not sure I need the real Turbo for my demo. Customer just wants something that works! | 08:33 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Happily that means he's unlikely to say, "Mer? What's that?" | 08:33 |
| jukkaeklund | yeah, your're right.. I just got pissed since I thought I was getting the 1.5GHz | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | just show a good demo, the underlying OS matters less - what matters is that it was easy to make your demo and product :) | 08:33 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: release due today? | 08:36 |
| Mirv | lbt: Spain is one ahead of you | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: possibly, or one more prerelease to get some kickstarter stuff in | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: did you set up the additional repos for the PA guys as that's one thing that blocks release | 08:39 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: no didn't, so you need the static release? | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:40 |
| Sage_ | what was it called? | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 08:40 |
| * Sage_ needs to do complete repository rename at some point | 08:40 | |
| Stskeeps | (bit ill today, expect everything is slow from my side) | 08:41 |
| Sage_ | the current naming thing doesn't work for these things :P | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | Core:ARCH:0.20120120.1 | 08:41 |
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| Sage_ | ok, and what arches do they need? | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | i think i586 and armv7l | 08:42 |
| Sage_ | armv7hl and i586? | 08:42 |
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| lbt | Mirv: yeah - I wasn't really planning on it - just woke up early :) | 08:43 |
| lbt | Mirv: good to see you around here though | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | and it's about adding the repos, not changing them around | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | ie, no changing <path>'s in their existing repos | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | just for good measure | 08:43 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: yes, I know but I would like to do rename at some point of time later to unify the naming | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAaH5vikEOM&feature=youtu.be <- B2G demo | 08:45 |
| Sage_ | e.g., Mer_Core_i586 -> Mer_latest-release_i586 | 08:45 |
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| Sage_ | or should that be Mer_Core_latest-release_i586? | 08:46 |
| Sage_ | Should be decided so I could use that naming with the new repos i'll do for PA team. | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | well, this is just a temporary one so they have a stable foundation | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | we'll have saner names in the future | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | brb | 08:47 |
| Sage_ | Temporary is the only permanent thing :D | 08:47 |
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| Stskeeps | point | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | Mer_Core_version/tag_i586 | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | we'll have Core:next Core:version etc | 08:49 |
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| * Sage_ recalls one temporary script made about 1,5 year ago that is still in use :P | 08:49 | |
| Stskeeps | what, mic? | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:49 |
| Sage_ | my daily image build script :P | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 08:50 |
| Sage_ | so Mer_Core_<version>_<repos-on-path>*_<arch> | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | as an example .. = ? | 08:51 |
| Sage_ | Mer_Core_0.20120120.1_MW-Shared_MW-PlasmaActive_UX-PlasmaActive_i586 | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if there's a string limit on repo names | 08:51 |
| * Sage_ hopes not :) | 08:51 | |
| Sage_ | well if there is it is time to find out :) | 08:52 |
| * Sage_ dropped the CE word out from those and ponders if that is going to bite in the future | 08:52 | |
| Sage_ | should be renamed at some point anyway but well we need way to reserve the release numbers when doing package copy | 08:54 |
| Sage_ | btw, I think we should start delivering the repository files in rpm packages withing repos | 08:54 |
| Sage_ | and not added by mic. | 08:54 |
| Sage_ | So when doing updates and repo renames those could be fixed by installing new rpm's | 08:54 |
| Sage_ | also version updates etc. | 08:55 |
| Sage_ | maybe something that OBS or BOSS could provide? | 08:55 |
| lbt | those are typically considered configuration files | 08:56 |
| lbt | afaik | 08:56 |
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| lbt | having some code that gets "latest repo" from a well known URL .... | 08:57 |
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| Sage_ | I haven't looked how those usually work on distros. | 08:58 |
| lbt | I think there's usually an app that goes to a webservice and if there's a new repo, it says "New OS release available" | 08:59 |
| lbt | then if you say "OK" it adds the repo to your list and you can upgrade | 09:00 |
| lbt | this is different to security updates or bug-fix updates | 09:01 |
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| phaeron | or have a "releases" repo which contains a package that installs the repos files. when it is updated the periodic zypper ref / apt-get update picks it up | 09:02 |
| lbt | of course.... TMTOWTDI | 09:03 |
| lbt | but that requires automatic package installation | 09:03 |
| lbt | which isn't always done | 09:03 |
| phaeron | no it doesn't , the notification app picks up the available update in the releases repo and notifies the user | 09:04 |
| phaeron | if he says ok then it is installed | 09:04 |
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| lbt | "hi, there's a new release package do you want to install it (the package, not the release)". "yes", "Hi, there's a new release, do you want to install it" "yes" | 09:05 |
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| lbt | joroi: ? | 09:11 |
| joroi | lbt: let's continue here | 09:11 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: may want to listen in too | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | alrightie | 09:12 |
| joroi | lbt: let's continue here... | 09:12 |
| joroi | oh, sorry twice :) | 09:12 |
| lbt | so you're using MDS to pull into your OBS | 09:12 |
| joroi | yup | 09:12 |
| lbt | and want to be able to override some packages | 09:12 |
| lbt | you also note it's a bit hard to push back changes | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | REMINDER: Mer and Qt5 planning session in 18 minutes in #mer-meeting (lbt, ahma, Bostik) | 09:13 |
| lbt | so lets do them in that order? | 09:13 |
| joroi | sometimes it's not even feasible on very quick pace we have doing delivery, etc. | 09:13 |
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| lbt | of course - you don't need to explain | 09:13 |
| joroi | of course we would like to push fixes | 09:13 |
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| lbt | I think there's a variety of use-cases that need what you ask for | 09:14 |
| lbt | including "Mer rejects the patch" :) | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'll be listening in, i'm assuming lbt will talk about the aspect of running own core programme | 09:14 |
| phaeron | lbt: that was a joke , right ? | 09:15 |
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| joroi | yeah, and I think this issue will come with other vendors as well... | 09:15 |
| lbt | so you're suggesting a blacklist for MDS | 09:15 |
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| lbt | phaeron: continue later? | 09:15 |
| joroi | for example | 09:15 |
| phaeron | l | 09:16 |
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| joroi | our current solution on OBS side is multiple layers of projects linking and stacking over each other, then we have snapshot tool which takes Mer + our packages and generates one big merged repository | 09:16 |
| lbt | joroi: that would work I think (the blacklist) | 09:16 |
| Sage_ | lbt: more workers by any change? :) | 09:17 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: added repos for CE:MW:Shared and CE:MW:PlasmaActive already | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:17 |
| lbt | joroi: yeah - that sounds a bit clunky | 09:17 |
| lbt | Sage_: ouch | 09:17 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps, lbt: pinged ahma, will call him if he doesn't wake up otherwise | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | joroi: so, the use case is that you want to do own modified packages to mer core? | 09:18 |
| lbt | Bostik: OK ... 10m.... knowing ahma you should give him time for coffee :) | 09:18 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes | 09:18 |
| Bostik | aye | 09:19 |
| joroi | Stskeeps: that's the case. modifications, newer versions and "quick fixes" | 09:19 |
| lbt | joroi: OK - anything else? | 09:19 |
| lbt | in particular do you just do point replacements? | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | joroi: makes sense -- so, in mer terminology we call this 'running your own Core programme' | 09:19 |
| lbt | or do you rebuild other parts of core that depend on these packages | 09:19 |
| lbt | joroi: I'm guessing that you want to just do a point replacement sometimes (hack it) | 09:20 |
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| joroi | we want to keep the Mer core snapshots and MDS as base, use prebuilt binaries and only do minimal modifications | 09:20 |
| lbt | yeah - but you should be aiming to either remove all those changes or. | 09:21 |
| joroi | we just want to do point replacements but it's not always feasible | 09:21 |
| lbt | to rebuild your own core with those changes applied | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | joroi: where you effectively have a source copy of Mer Core and build it on your OBS, with modifications and you'd like to do this easily | 09:21 |
| lbt | if you rebuild core you want to be able to track upstream too | 09:21 |
| joroi | of course building whole core would be an option but sometimes it's kin of waste of resources... | 09:22 |
| joroi | *kind | 09:22 |
| lbt | yup | 09:22 |
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| Stskeeps | in practice if you need to rebuild dependencies anyway | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | then you do need to build core | 09:23 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: that's where I'd split point-replace from rebuild-core | 09:23 |
| lbt | ie just mark a particular package as "not in MDS" | 09:24 |
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| joroi | yup, currently we fortunately have only few changed packages and have avoided building a lot of dependencies | 09:24 |
| lbt | so if it's not provided in "internal-Mer-overlay" ... it shows as nothing-provides | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=CE%3AMW%3APlasmaActive , https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=CE%3AMW%3AShared | 09:24 |
| lbt | joroi: just to be clear "avoided" temporarily? | 09:24 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 09:25 |
| lbt | since avoiding long term would lead to nasty problems | 09:25 |
| lbt | morning mdfe_ | 09:25 |
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| joroi | lbt: yeah, of course best situation is to have Mer core as-is | 09:25 |
| lbt | no | 09:25 |
| lbt | I didn't mean that | 09:25 |
| lbt | not at all | 09:26 |
| mdfe_ | mer next is updated again? | 09:26 |
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| lbt | joroi: if you make a change to a package in mer core then you should rebuild any packages that Build-Require it | 09:26 |
| mdfe_ | ah, cool | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: we did one upgrade but we made stable repos for you to use | 09:26 |
| lbt | otherwise you have a risk of mismatches | 09:26 |
| lbt | now this matters more to some packages than others | 09:27 |
| mdfe_ | great thanks :) | 09:27 |
| lbt | but that's the problem I want to avoid for you | 09:27 |
| lbt | joroi: does that make sense? | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | blacklist isn't going to work, fwiw | 09:27 |
| lbt | why? | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: CI_CNT.B_CNT | 09:28 |
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| joroi | lbt: of course, but I meant we should try to get Mer core without any changes and keep out modifications as minimal... otherwise we end up building more and more packages and deps | 09:28 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: by name - just never serve pkgA | 09:28 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: image creation.. | 09:28 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: fails unless overlay repo serves pkgA | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | we have a meeting now, let's continue after that? | 09:29 |
| lbt | joroi: can we continue after this meeting with Bostik :) | 09:29 |
| lbt | it's interesting | 09:29 |
| joroi | lbt: ok | 09:30 |
| lbt | bbiam | 09:30 |
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| AWasisto | Is it possible to port FCam to Mer? | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | probably more a question about porting it to Nemo | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | question is also if the kernel APIs haven't changed immensely | 09:40 |
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| alterego | There was an aspect of fcam which was closed, not sure whether it was the firmware, but there is a possibility that it's not ABI compatible? | 09:49 |
| alterego | It seems someone has released an fcam like app for the N9 too. | 09:49 |
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| Stskeeps | joroi: okay, so you basically have a series of changes to mer core packages you'd like to use, while being able to rebase on top of newer mer releases as you go along? | 10:23 |
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| joroi | Stskeeps: yup, mainly our problems come in image creation phase because Mer core version comes by default... | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | right | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | the good news is that this exactly problem was why we started putting everything in git :) | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | can you tell me how the core specific part is set up for you right now? | 10:28 |
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| joroi | we have the normal MDS + fakeobs, manually doing updates. we preserve the "current" system and put the new checkout + fakeobs on another port if need to preserve older version | 10:30 |
| lbt | minutes sent with some highlights extracted | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | and you're using the combination of mer releases repo, plus a repo with your modifications to build the image | 10:31 |
| joroi | the packages from Mer core and our override packages are combined to a single repository with a simple snapshot tool | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 10:32 |
| joroi | snapshot tool basically just compares package names and prefers our packages | 10:32 |
| lbt | which is essentially what a blacklist would do | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | so, i'm just going to detail how it would look like in the best case, and you were building your own core -- just so you know what we designed for originally | 10:33 |
| lbt | it's not a technically pure solution :) | 10:33 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: enabled the 0.20120120.1 repos | 10:34 |
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| Sage_ | Mer_Core_0.20120120.1_CE-MW-Shared_CE-MW-PlasmaActive_CE-UX-PlasmaActive_i586 | 10:34 |
| Sage_ | could be longer right? :) | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | vendor would get a dump of mer git repositories (packages-git), and check out obs-projects/Core git repo. in order to do modifications, the vendor would then clone the packages-git/mer-core/package repo, and add his own changes on that, pointing the Core's packages.xml entry for the package to the new git repo and commit sha1 | 10:36 |
| joroi | Stskeeps: building our own core would in best case mean manually set updating sources from Mer Core and automatical import to our OBS... | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | upon update, the patch would then be rebased in the vendor clone and modified sha1 updated to point to that | 10:36 |
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| Stskeeps | that's the build-your-own-core scenario | 10:37 |
| joroi | yup, I think most work is currently updating the sources to our OBS and building them. we can have our packages easily updated over Mer Core packages in OBS after it's succesfully imported | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | you can even upstream based on that | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | so, the question is how to do it best right now :) | 10:41 |
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| lbt | so what's the problem right now? | 10:43 |
| lbt | MDS provides a pkgA | 10:43 |
| lbt | and it shouldn't, that should come from the MerOverlay project? | 10:44 |
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| joroi | lbt: yup | 10:44 |
| lbt | if you just add the MerOverlay project to a repo list | 10:44 |
| lbt | then MDS may update the version and suddenly you use that by mistake | 10:44 |
| joroi | then it works for some cases, some cases we end up having Mer package | 10:45 |
| lbt | bad | 10:45 |
| lbt | so this is where you want to hack the MDS to say "skip PkgA" | 10:45 |
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| joroi | yup | 10:45 |
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| lbt | and as you see above that's not a sustainable solution ... but it can help in short term hacking | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: okay, so, Mer 2011.blah.blah -release- repository contains libpng CI_CNT=5 with some abitrary B_CNT. If you have a mer overlay that's just a copypac of the package, your CI_CNT will be < mer release's CI_CNT | 10:46 |
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| lbt | right | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | tradationally you would then do a linkpac from MDS so your CI_CNT > Mer version's CI_CNT | 10:47 |
| lbt | MDS thinks it doesn't have the package | 10:47 |
| lbt | so you can't linkpac from MDS | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | MDS doesn't even remotely play into this at the moment | 10:47 |
| * slaine keeps reading MDS as MD5 | 10:47 | |
| Stskeeps | MDS isn't accessed at image creation time | 10:48 |
| lbt | ah | 10:48 |
| lbt | right | 10:48 |
| joroi | yup, that blacklist was just one idea... | 10:48 |
| lbt | so I'm assuming vendor uses an internal 'release' of Mer | 10:48 |
| lbt | which comes from MDS and has no pkgA | 10:48 |
| lbt | so the mic doesn't see it | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | they aren't, they aren't self-building | 10:48 |
| lbt | otherwise that's nuts | 10:48 |
| lbt | MDS syncs the binaries too | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | only for build phase, not for image creation | 10:49 |
| lbt | yes. they need processing to a release | 10:49 |
| lbt | so that's already in the requirement list and is a pre-req to this use-case | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | so, joroi would want a scenario where they can make RPMs that will be > in version to the mer ones | 10:50 |
| lbt | vendor should be using all internal http | 10:50 |
| lbt | well, they're hacking right now | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | that's true | 10:50 |
| lbt | this is an unsupported shoot your foot off solution | 10:51 |
| lbt | that's a good option name :) | 10:51 |
| lbt | mds --shoot-me-in-the-foot-blacklist=filename | 10:51 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-ld: BFD (GNU Binutils) 2.22 assertion fail elf32-arm.c:12049 | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | so, there's two scenarios we should support: augment a release, and run your own core programe | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: yes | 10:51 |
| Sage_ | known thing? | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: yes, i need to dive into it | 10:52 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes - point-hack and proper-solution | 10:52 |
| Sage_ | ok, my fennec build crashes to that | 10:52 |
| lbt | point-hack really needs documenting as to why it's bad - and when it's OK | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: OK, so, localdep against a MDS release with linkpac of package + modification => overlay that will be > in version to mer release | 10:52 |
| joroi | of course we could go building Mer core... that's again problematic because we still have limited resources and building whole Mer core does not bring that much benefit for us | 10:52 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: of course that's not counting B_CNT problems.. | 10:53 |
| lbt | joroi: exactly - right now you want quick+dirty with some minor risks that you realise need fixing if you select the solution | 10:53 |
| joroi | we could continue our hackish way, it's not that big problem but if Mer could have also solution then it would be great | 10:54 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: main issue is if a mer core Requires CI_CNT>4 | 10:54 |
| lbt | joroi: I think a solution with an explanation of the issues is a good idea. It really will bite you if you take it to production - but that doesn't matter right now :) | 10:55 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I think they'd do a copypac > local overlay; then blacklist it from MDS | 10:56 |
| lbt | that mimics the current setup and is the "obvious" solution | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: blacklist would help how in image creation? | 10:57 |
| lbt | by that I mean it's the solution that many people would come up with when they first see the "I need to do a quick hack to that package" | 10:58 |
| lbt | OK, it wouldn't | 10:58 |
| lbt | unless... :) | 10:58 |
| lbt | we have the MDS->release ability | 10:58 |
| lbt | then you run mds --make-release | 10:58 |
| lbt | and it creates a repo that you can point mic at | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | i'm talking about today.. | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:58 |
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| lbt | I'm not | 10:58 |
| lbt | I'm bringing in a requirement for MDS | 10:59 |
| lbt | sorry if I misled you | 10:59 |
| lbt | they have a hack that works today | 10:59 |
| lbt | but it's a common (percieved) use-case | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes, augment and run own programme | 11:00 |
| lbt | which in turn needs mds --make-release anyway | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | joroi: btw, just for good measure, 'not enough resources' to build own core -- we do mer all ports on 210eur/month | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | just to put it in perspective | 11:00 |
| lbt | 's true | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | probably a lower number if we just count workers | 11:01 |
| joroi | Stskeeps: currently we have a big no-no for purchases, and our internal OBS and package building is already taking a great share | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | just putting it in perspective | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | anyway.. let me just look at something | 11:02 |
| joroi | yup, I know... and future solution is to purchase another blade server and build capacity | 11:02 |
| slaine | What's a good amount of RAM to have in an internal OBS server for mer | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: worker? 24gb | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | (you said good..) | 11:02 |
| slaine | I've managed to set aside a Dell R410 | 11:02 |
| slaine | nothing special, but I should be able to get a good dollop of RAM into it | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: OK, so, the end result they want to have is a RPM repository that is mer core + their augmented packages, right, that can be used for image creation, right? | 11:03 |
| lbt | slaine: in general 4Gb RAM/worker instance does most situations - but it fails to build some packages using tmpfs | 11:04 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: that's the way they hacked it | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: let's ignore the hacky solution, just defining what augmenting means | 11:05 |
| lbt | I think having an MDS repo without package A and an OBS repo with pkgA and including both in mic is fine | 11:05 |
| lbt | so I see no need to augment MDS | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 11:06 |
| lbt | so I see no need to augment MDS ... repos | 11:06 |
| lbt | just add another repo with bits that are missing from the MDS driven repo | 11:06 |
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| Stskeeps | coffee break? | 11:06 |
| lbt | sure | 11:06 |
| lbt | nb ... I think your other approach is 'correct' and is what I'd also assumed for production | 11:07 |
| lbt | this approach is broken but useful | 11:07 |
| lbt | actually - make it a slightly longer break - walk then triage | 11:08 |
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| joroi | lbt + Stskeeps: we decided to test buildin Mer Core on weekends when we have lower usage on our builders, but need to consider if that MDS way could still be useful | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i think both scenarios merit a solution, just some gaps in what is technically possible atm | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | we did a similar thing for Nemo for a while and it got really nasty to maintain over time | 11:16 |
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| timakima | timoph: (about porting that AR demo), why not. but i'm very busy during this week :/ | 11:30 |
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| timakima | i'm also currently working on more complex AR demos with 3D models | 11:31 |
| timoph | we need to package the needed deps first anyway | 11:31 |
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| timoph | might be a package or two that's missing.. | 11:32 |
| timoph | but since I haven't really looked into that I don't know what is excatly missing | 11:32 |
| timakima | what the demo needs is NyARToolkit and OpenCV | 11:33 |
| timoph | lbt: c.obs search box broken? | 11:34 |
| timoph | "undefined method `strip' for nil:NilClass" | 11:34 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: realistically vendors are going to do this anyway :) We need to alert them to the issues, let them learn the hard way and make it easy for them to get from messed-up to correct | 11:34 |
| lbt | timoph: yeah, known bug, we have a new pkg to install | 11:34 |
| lbt | just need some time | 11:35 |
| timoph | ok | 11:35 |
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| timoph | will search for existing stull later | 11:35 |
| timoph | stuff even | 11:35 |
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| timoph | anyway. have to go. lets get back to this later | 11:37 |
| sandst1 | timakima: at least opencv 2.2 is at meego repos, so porting it over to mer side should be pretty trivial | 11:39 |
| timakima | sandst1: at least for me since timoph is going to do the dependencies/packeting stuff :) | 11:39 |
| sandst1 | timakima: ah :) | 11:39 |
| timakima | (since i hate it) | 11:40 |
| lbt | timakima: I know what you mean :) You may want to take a look at spectacle though - it makes it very easy. | 11:42 |
| timakima | :) | 11:42 |
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| lbt | bug triage in 15min in #mer-meeting | 11:45 |
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| Stskeeps | mdfe_: do i have a OK from you to release a new core into COBS then? | 11:55 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I should do that | 11:57 |
| * lbt hears coffee being made .... must be nearly time for the meeting .... gotta love a wife with good timing :) | 11:57 | |
| Sage_ | mdfe_: ping me if you need other repos for the static release | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: okay, but one last piece needed, which is http://review.merproject.org/425 | 12:00 |
| lbt | *nod* ... when you're ready | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok, bug triage now | 12:00 |
| mdfe_ | Sage_: Hi | 12:00 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: was QTMLocationProvider::QTMLocationProvider() missing from our qt-mobility? | 12:01 |
| mdfe_ | Sage_: Our images for the fair are ready | 12:01 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: Our images for the fair are ready, from me side feel free to release | 12:02 |
| mdfe_ | s/me/my | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: OK | 12:02 |
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| jukkaeklund | sage_, don't know if its that but I tried to get location from phonegap and it crashes the app | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: yes, it's missing | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | not linked up, AFAIK | 12:30 |
| Sage_ | ok | 12:30 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: you're right on 'ssu package' btw | 12:42 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: yes that's how H does it afaiu | 12:43 |
| phaeron | but the separation of configurations and repo-pkgs would be a nice twist in mer | 12:45 |
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| lbt | so phaeron ... just looked back at the conversation... I said "but that requires automatic package installation" ,,, you said "no it doesn't" ... that was my point | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | actually i think in H they have some kind of metadata in the package header | 12:48 |
| lbt | the need is different | 12:48 |
| lbt | (for now at least) | 12:49 |
| lbt | Although I agree vendors will have this need | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: okay, i don't have the right mind to fixup http://review.merproject.org/425 at the moment and i'd really just like to get this merged and get you started with making a release | 12:51 |
| lbt | sure | 12:51 |
| lbt | maybe transfer those comments to a bug? | 12:52 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: about the nspr update bug says update to 4.8.9 but there is 4.9 already available | 12:52 |
| lbt | that way they're not lost and it's OK to say "agree in principle, defer since it's not a blocker" | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: OK too | 12:52 |
| Sage_ | k | 12:53 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: shall I do the bug | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199 | 12:53 |
| lbt | :) | 12:53 |
| lbt | -> food | 12:56 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: -m* flags to compiler are coming from Mer and package shouldn't touch those in configure etc? | 13:04 |
| alterego | Oh dear .. | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: usualy | 13:04 |
| * Sage_ ponders what alterego noted :) | 13:04 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: fennec is evil that way | 13:04 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: not talking about fennec :) | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: then no | 13:04 |
| Sage_ | nspr | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | it shouldn't touch those flags | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | especially not nspr | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:05 |
| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/3471452 :P | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | morons.. | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | remove that kind of stuff | 13:05 |
| Sage_ | yes, planing to | 13:05 |
| Sage_ | just wondered where did it go wrong :P | 13:05 |
| Sage_ | but what ever you give it always touches it | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | lbt/phaeron: we run >= 2.6.32 on cobs workers right | 13:09 |
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| lbt | 2.6.37.6-0.9-xen | 13:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Error 101 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_RESET): The connection was reset. | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's f*cking fantastic | 13:21 |
| Ronksu | anxious to find out where your delivery is? =) | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | no, trying to ship something | 13:24 |
| Ronksu | ah, worse | 13:26 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage_: hi, any idea how to enable debuginfo packages on a running device? | 13:29 |
| mdfe_ | http://pastebin.com/qretpime | 13:30 |
| mdfe_ | the debuginfo packages are in the same directory, but are not shown | 13:31 |
| lbt | mdfe_: http://pastie.org/3471626 | 13:32 |
| lbt | that was generated by mic using the --debug* options | 13:33 |
| lbt | mmm - I see - your repo structure is different | 13:34 |
| Sage_ | mdfe_: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Debugging | 13:35 |
| Sage_ | lbt: --debuginfo option doesn't work for mic | 13:35 |
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| lbt | Sage_: nice ... :/ | 13:35 |
| Sage_ | lbt: or well it works for mer repos but not for obs repos | 13:36 |
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| Stskeeps | hello maab | 13:36 |
| maab | Hi mate | 13:36 |
| Sage_ | lbt: e.g. that source url you have there is invalid as mer doesn't have it | 13:36 |
| lbt | hey maab :) | 13:36 |
| lbt | Sage_: yeah - that's the SDK example | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | maab: so what brings you here to #mer ? | 13:36 |
| maab | good to c u 'lbt' | 13:37 |
| mdfe_ | Sage_: any idea how to extend http://pastebin.com/qretpime to get debuginfo packages available? | 13:37 |
| maab | Stskeeps: same as I guess, what brings all others | 13:37 |
| mdfe_ | I tried so much, and nothings works ;( | 13:38 |
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| Sage_ | mdfe_: that is OBS repo so it has those already | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | maab: alright, if you have any questions about Mer don't hestitate to ask :) | 13:38 |
| maab | Stskeeps: indeed, thanks for that | 13:38 |
| Sage_ | mdfe_: go to the url and check armv7hl directory and you can see the debuginfo packages | 13:38 |
| mdfe_ | Sage_: I see, thats the reason why I'm confused | 13:40 |
| mdfe_ | it does not work | 13:40 |
| lbt | Sage_: when you have a min can I check on #192 spectacle bug with you? | 13:43 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: sure | 13:46 |
| Sage_ | lbt: I'll ping when I have a moment for that | 13:46 |
| * Stskeeps conquers dhl | 13:48 | |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: is the mips port active in fake obs? | 13:51 |
| lbt | maab: so what kind of development do you do at the moment? | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: i don't think i added it to mappings.xml | 13:51 |
| Sage_ | ok, does review test it? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | what are you breaking? | 13:52 |
| Sage_ | lbt: some reading for you first if you didn't see this conversation about the spectacle thing | 13:54 |
| Sage_ | lbt: http://mer.bfst.de/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2012-02-24.log.html#t2012-02-24T08:50:23 | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: regarding toolchain-core split, i'm starting to like what the other cross guys are coming up with..: | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | "Sysroot: <alias> <project> <repo> <arch> <sysroot> | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | You have to define an alias or label, then the project and repo with | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | architecture from where the packages should come from, and last the | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | sysroot where all the things should be installed in." | 13:59 |
| * lbt looks | 14:00 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: where's that from ? OBS ml? | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:01 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i have a doctor's test in some hours and fakeobs updates storm will take a while, let's see if we can find time tonight to do the release.. | 14:04 |
| lbt | OK | 14:04 |
| lbt | I'm around | 14:04 |
| lbt | oh - thanks for the reminder... OBS workers still have a fatal disease | 14:04 |
| lbt | gtk I think | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | gtk? | 14:05 |
| lbt | :D | 14:05 |
| lbt | happened to be what was building as they died | 14:05 |
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| Stskeeps | qtwebkit would be a better candidate | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:06 |
| lbt | it should be locked to worker4 | 14:07 |
| lbt | fennec maybe | 14:08 |
| lbt | or obslight again | 14:08 |
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| lbt | hmm | 14:17 |
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| lbt | so workers have been dying but there's no rogue job | 14:18 |
| lbt | home:sage:branches:Mer:fake:Core:armv7hl/openssl ... | 14:19 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: ? | 14:19 |
| lbt | seems to be the last job in a few of the dead workers | 14:20 |
| * Sage_ hides | 14:20 | |
| lbt | meh - if you can take out a worker it's a bug :) | 14:21 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor | 14:21 |
| * lbt enters screen and sits back for a nice screen-play "Death of a worker" | 14:22 | |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3472018 | 14:25 |
| lbt | a tragedy apparently | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | tmpfs broken? | 14:26 |
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| lbt | why now? | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | actually | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | it looks like two workers fighting over same fs | 14:27 |
| phaeron | back | 14:27 |
| lbt | none on /var/cache/obs/worker/root_4 type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=8388608k) | 14:29 |
| lbt | none on /var/cache/obs/worker/root_3 type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=8388608k) | 14:29 |
| lbt | none on /var/cache/obs/worker/root_2 type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=8388608k) | 14:29 |
| lbt | on a different worker (7) | 14:29 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor shows that running 3 openssl builds | 14:30 |
| * Sage_ feels like guinea pig | 14:38 | |
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| lbt | watching the arm builds wrap up | 14:40 |
| lbt | tests done, now manpage installs | 14:40 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: dunno if the answer is too late , but opensuse 11.3 is 2.6.37.1 so all our obs. | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | i am going to up the basic kernel requirement for eglibc to 2.6.32, so | 14:42 |
| * Sage_ pushed nspr and openssl updates to review | 14:56 | |
| lbt | sigh ... everything worked | 14:58 |
| * Sage_ ponders what source package contains info | 14:59 | |
| Sage_ | ah, texinfo | 15:00 |
| phaeron | lbt: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165 I pushed a new promotion | 15:01 |
| Sage_ | lbt: busy or have time for spectacle discussion? | 15:03 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: does adding -info subpackage for those sound good in your opinion? It would reduce the footprint as well, but not sure what would be the process if user would actually want those at some point | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | -docs | 15:10 |
| Sage_ | so move -info to -docs as well? | 15:11 |
| Sage_ | sounds good as well | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:12 |
| Sage_ | ok, I can start patching packages to get rid of the 'info' package | 15:12 |
| Sage_ | Is tar something we can udpate to gplv3? | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 15:17 |
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| Stskeeps | hey felipec | 15:20 |
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| felipec | Stskeeps: hi :) | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | how is it going? | 15:22 |
| felipec | Stskeeps: good, lot's of things going on | 15:22 |
| felipec | Stskeeps: what about you? | 15:22 |
| Sage_ | what do %lang_package and %docs_package macros do? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | felipec: i'm good, Mer is proceeding really nicely and exciting things being done with it | 15:23 |
| felipec | Stskeeps: cool, are you using newer kernels now? | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | felipec: sadly our efforts are coming to an end as for the existence of a nokia team to do this stuff, N900 kernel is at 2.6.37, we did some work to rebase on 3.0 as you know. Mer continues as a real open project with many different contributors and Nemo (Handset UI) also goes on quite well | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | so i think we ended up at a fairly nice point for future innovation in open mobile | 15:27 |
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| felipec | Stskeeps: I see, but Mer works on other boards, right? | 15:31 |
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| Stskeeps | sure, it's very very portable | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | even got it on MIPS now, too | 15:33 |
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| felipec | Stskeeps: and you use the same kernel in those? | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | nop, we leave kernels up to the individual hardware adaptations (we don't carry hw adaptations in mer), we do however insist on some certain enabled CONFIG_*'s and kernel 2.6.32 and above | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | as that's what we assume in userland builds | 15:42 |
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| felipec | I see | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | the philosophical reasoning is that we can't do a proper system if it's tied to a certain hardware, and it enables us to be more flexible in our targets/porting, as well as leaving out a lot of chipset politics :P | 15:45 |
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| Stskeeps | as we'd much rather just improve and make a good core instead of fighting about hardware adaptations or which side of the dialog box the "OK" button goes on | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 15:49 |
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| phaeron | lbt: when you're back , I wanted to setup nested kvm img worker on imgw1 , but there is no LVM inside it. should we use qcow2 ? | 17:31 |
| phaeron | now doctor appointment | 17:31 |
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| * Stskeeps starts making a list of things he should fix around the house when not having a day job for a bit | 17:52 | |
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| * timoph remining himself how to write c | 18:05 | |
| timoph | -typos | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | that is a tough experience at times | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ping | 18:05 |
| timoph | seems that I haven't forgotten it completely | 18:06 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: a new day job on the works? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: we'll see.. i'm a consultant, these things come and go | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | i was thinking to buy a bunch of cigars and sit on my balcony and enjoy the sunshine, perhaps | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 18:10 |
| timoph | :) | 18:10 |
| timoph | yeah. a good chance to relax a bit | 18:11 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: pong | 18:15 |
| lbt | bloody coffee maker | 18:15 |
| lbt | the leak had gotten to the mains - hence the repeated power cuts | 18:16 |
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| timoph | "guide that describes platform sdk install, creation of custom image with kickstarter, basic idea for how hardware adaptations can provide kickstarter yamls, building image" | 18:16 |
| lbt | ended up taking it apart - thermal paste, ptfe tape, new O-ring, soldering, multi-meter to find a busted fuse.... | 18:17 |
| lbt | still, I now have a *very* nice cup of coffee | 18:17 |
| timoph | :) | 18:17 |
| lbt | timoph: yes - that's a goal | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: give me a ssh pubkey | 18:17 |
| lbt | sure - where for | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: place i make mer releases from | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | so fairly secure | 18:18 |
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| lbt | is it not on merproject.org? | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | it's on monster, but i'd prefer this way | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | we will change release process once BOSS doing it | 18:19 |
| lbt | generating anyway | 18:19 |
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| lbt | ~lbt/lbt.id_rsa_merrelease.pub on monster | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 18:22 |
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| * Sage_ finally back home again | 18:47 | |
| Stskeeps | :) | 18:47 |
| Sage_ | for some reason the days are getting longer and longer constantly. | 18:50 |
| * Sage_ ponders where did his hacking time go.. | 18:50 | |
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| Stskeeps | life is what happens :P | 18:53 |
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| Stskeeps | mdfe_: http://wiki.merproject.org/index.php?title=Platform_SDK&curid=85&diff=1064&oldid=1063 doesn't seem entirely correct - we don't use mic2 anymore :) | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | it is actually mic create fs now | 19:10 |
| mdfe_ | oh | 19:10 |
| mdfe_ | sorry | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | ah no problem | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | you should switch to mic too, it's much saner | 19:11 |
| mdfe_ | which mic do you use? | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | the new 'mic', which isn't mic2 | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | try out platform sdk to experience it :) | 19:11 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 19:11 |
| mdfe_ | I will | 19:11 |
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| Stskeeps | ben1066_: fix your client, please | 19:29 |
| ben1066_ | Stskeeps: yea sorry :P | 19:30 |
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| phaeron | lbt: so how do we expose lvm inside the vm | 21:06 |
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| lbt | phaeron: hmm | 21:15 |
| lbt | IMG? | 21:15 |
| lbt | or SDK ? | 21:15 |
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| phaeron | img | 21:15 |
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| lbt | I dinna think about that laddy | 21:16 |
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| lbt | make a huge device in the phost, expose it to guest as sdd, make it a pv,vg and allocate lvs on it ? | 21:19 |
| lbt | make a huge lv in the phost, expose it to guest as sdd, make it a pv,vg and allocate lvs on it ? | 21:20 |
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| phaeron | sounds redundant :( | 21:23 |
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| lbt | so's 3 layers of kernel :) | 21:35 |
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| phaeron | does it warrant getting a small phost for imager ? | 21:43 |
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| phaeron | g'night | 21:56 |
| lbt | no | 22:02 |
| lbt | in an ideal world it may be different - we have what we have | 22:03 |
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| cxl000 | COBS projects using Mer:fake:Core:armv7l are showing unresolvable for all dependancies. Is this due to the release in progress? | 22:18 |
| lbt | cxl000: yes | 22:18 |
| lbt | it should fix in a few mins | 22:19 |
| cxl000 | np I'll come back latter then. | 22:19 |
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