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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:59 |
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| lbt | morning Stskeeps | 09:10 |
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| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: working a bit with mer-kickstarter-configs | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/sofar-changes.patch.txt | 09:19 |
| lbt | OK - what are you thinking of? just because I have the 'improve kickstarter inheritance and templates' task | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | just fixing up some things before 0.1 release | 09:20 |
| lbt | OK | 09:20 |
| lbt | double check the rpm thing | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | for example that qmlviewer actually starts up on boot in reference images | 09:20 |
| lbt | if you use mic 0.6 I think it may not need it in the same way | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | hmm,ok | 09:21 |
| lbt | I got an error because I did rm /var/lib/rpm/__* without the -f | 09:21 |
| lbt | that's what alterted me | 09:21 |
| lbt | (I left it in with -f since it can't hurt) | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3461987 | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | forgot this part | 09:23 |
| lbt | I guessed the prelink | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | i'm also mic'ing each image to verify they work | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | with 0.6 | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | pretty sure mipsel images wouldn't work, so i'll send patches | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | so, i'm of the philosophical opinion we shouldn't have tarballs on releases.merproject.org but instead teach people how to fish, ie, install platform sdk.. | 09:26 |
| lbt | I suggest a few words before each chunk to explain the purpose | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | for/against? | 09:26 |
| lbt | tarballs of? | 09:26 |
| lbt | bug #102 ? | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | of the reference images | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | of course they should be tested to build, but it's better to teach how to build images on your own | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | so yeah, i'm proposing to dump 102 | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm not sure if it's a good idea or not) | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | but we're at a stage where it's actually easy to make images, so | 09:29 |
| lbt | one thing ... reproducability | 09:29 |
| lbt | eg mic version changes | 09:29 |
| lbt | OTOH ... so what? | 09:29 |
| lbt | the deliverable is the packages, the image is a useful extra | 09:30 |
| lbt | this is kinda in scope for #175 | 09:30 |
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| lbt | and if someone wants a 5 year retention policy for a .tgz (with tooling) then they can set one up (like Teleca are doing with IMG and stuff right now) | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | good point, task bug: mic should stamp what version of itself was used to build an image | 09:32 |
| lbt | hmmm | 09:32 |
| lbt | inside the image? | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, or in the manifest | 09:32 |
| lbt | that's a good place - I guess I don't enable that | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | btw, regarding license info: | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | --record-pkgs=RECORD_PKGS | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | Record the info of installed packages, multiple values | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | can be specified which joined by ",", valid values: | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | "name", "content", "license" | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | that's mic cr | 09:33 |
| lbt | nod ... so that comes from the yaml I guess | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | it comes from rpm license header, yeah | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok, i have to vacuum the apartment | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | brb ~20 min | 09:34 |
| lbt | l8r then | 09:34 |
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| lbt | poor coffee maker .... needs some tlc | 09:54 |
| _av500_ | thc? | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | tlc? | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | tender loving care? | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://pastie.org/3462188 | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | seems like 'info' snuck in gplv3 | 10:04 |
| lbt | tlc :) ..... like a new o-ring in the steam knob | 10:04 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah - from a license mon perspective we need clearer policy | 10:05 |
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| lbt | morning phaeron | 10:06 |
| phaeron | morning | 10:06 |
| lbt | phaeron: is #165 closed? | 10:08 |
| lbt | "IMG should use new mic" | 10:11 |
| lbt | And I think #104 is closed (Complete platform SDK to remove dependency on meego.com for bootstrapping/tools) | 10:11 |
| phaeron | yes , and 165 is done , but just testing the mer vm approach | 10:12 |
| lbt | I'd like to deploy the new IMG and see WTF is up with the http/https redirection issue | 10:13 |
| lbt | I think the apps aren't configured to cope with an https->http reverse proxy - which is daft as it's so common | 10:14 |
| phaeron | lbt: I don't know about obs , but IMG doesn't do anything special about http / https | 10:16 |
| lbt | phaeron: you've seen the problem though? | 10:16 |
| phaeron | lbt: no | 10:16 |
| phaeron | bin obs yes | 10:17 |
| phaeron | *in | 10:17 |
| lbt | go to submit | 10:18 |
| lbt | then submit a blank form | 10:18 |
| lbt | notice the redirect is to http | 10:18 |
| lbt | I *know* it's not IMG | 10:19 |
| lbt | it's the config around it - but I don't know why | 10:19 |
| lbt | mmmm ... I think the sample I used missed ProxyPassReverse | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'll probably have patches for 'yum' and mic for mipsel | 10:30 |
| lbt | OK | 10:30 |
| lbt | just working on making IMG work | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:30 |
| lbt | will almost certainly be the same as the c.obs issue | 10:30 |
| lbt | some stupid problem in apache reverse ssl proxy | 10:31 |
| lbt | phaeron's helping out too | 10:31 |
| phaeron | trying | 10:32 |
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| * lbt keeps an eye out for alterego whilst in infra mode | 10:35 | |
| Stskeeps | i suspect he might be hungover, after all, he's a young british man on a sunday morning | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:35 |
| lbt | *g* | 10:36 |
| * lbt looks at jukkaeklund .... and he's a *fin* | 10:36 | |
| * dm8tbr yawns | 10:36 | |
| dm8tbr | infra? need monitoring? ;) | 10:37 |
| lbt | yeah ... should get you a vm | 10:37 |
| lbt | .... woah | 10:37 |
| lbt | I fixed it! | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | what was it? | 10:37 |
| lbt | ProxyPreserveHost On is wrong | 10:37 |
| lbt | I guess the http redirect response doesn't match in the lookup table in apache | 10:38 |
| lbt | so it's not rewritten | 10:38 |
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| phaeron | bleh was just starting to read up | 10:43 |
| lbt | thanks .... don't worry, mer c.obs is still dead | 10:43 |
| lbt | I think it used named vhosts | 10:43 |
| lbt | which is why that was on | 10:44 |
| lbt | we need to tell it to respond on the internal DNS name and let the proxy rewrite | 10:44 |
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| lbt | although all my jobs on IMG are stuck "IN QUEUE" | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | hello scalpel4k :) | 10:45 |
| phaeron | lbt: I can look at the img issue | 10:46 |
| phaeron | lbt: and you fix obs :D | 10:46 |
| lbt | ouch ... OK :) | 10:46 |
| lbt | there's an imgw1 machine too | 10:47 |
| lbt | let me know if we need a phost reboot to get nested lvm | 10:47 |
| lbt | kvm | 10:47 |
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| lbt | hmm cfe died on feb20 - no clues | 11:04 |
| * jukkaeklund is not hung over.. | 11:06 | |
| lbt | jukkaeklund: sure ... 30m latency is perfectly normal ....:D | 11:07 |
| iekku | jukkaeklund, still drunk? :P | 11:07 |
| jukkaeklund | oh c'mon.. | 11:08 |
| lbt | iekku: what can you do, eh? | 11:08 |
| jukkaeklund | just busy with de-freezing the fridge | 11:08 |
| iekku | :D | 11:08 |
| lbt | de-icer.... heavy stuff... | 11:08 |
| jukkaeklund | there is too much ice to fit in any alcohol, need to take drastic actions | 11:09 |
| lbt | *g* | 11:09 |
| iekku | :D | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | carsten@ideapad:~/sdk$ file | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | bash: /usr/bin/file: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | this isn't a good day.. | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | in order words, what the feck just happened | 11:52 |
| lbt | hmm | 11:53 |
| lbt | in sdk ? | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | no, outside | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | and in | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | i think i screwed up binfmt_misc | 11:53 |
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| Termana | morning | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | yup | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | i think i made all binaries match the MIPS one by accident | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | hey Termana | 11:56 |
| lbt | *g* | 11:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: can you review http://pastie.org/3462891 and http://pastie.org/3462897 | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | ok, there's some print's in there, ignore those.. | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so what's your 20% fun project for next week? | 12:15 |
| lbt | hmm - I'm allowed fun time? | 12:15 |
| lbt | :D | 12:15 |
| lbt | I can't decide between QML and git+pkg -> OBS | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | we all have to do stuff that's fun too, or we burn out with this stuff :P | 12:17 |
| lbt | let me put it this way ... I was doing a little knitting app for Denise a while back... | 12:17 |
| lbt | david 1115 8257 0 Jan11 pts/63 00:00:18 qmlviewer knit.qml | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | i've considered beginning to prototype core-toolchain split | 12:17 |
| lbt | yep ... the qmlviewer is still open for when I find 5 mins | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, i have a weird definition of 'fun') | 12:18 |
| lbt | me too - the git thing is more appealling | 12:18 |
| lbt | but matrixx had those cool transitions at FOSDEM | 12:18 |
| lbt | and I wanted to use them in my knitting app | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:19 |
| lbt | so I think git+pkg => OBS | 12:19 |
| lbt | it hurts me inside when I look at Mer gitweb and see tarballs | 12:20 |
| lbt | the toolchain split sounds good too - along the lines of our chat last week ? | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:21 |
| lbt | I'm editing the notes from that | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | mentioning it as you stated you wanted to be part of that effort, so | 12:24 |
| lbt | yeah - I'd like that | 12:25 |
| lbt | so keeping it for later in the day when I'm awake would be nice | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | how do i best send patches to M:T:T? | 12:27 |
| lbt | if it's source then git pull - if it's packaging then I guess SR | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | well, i have a patch for 'yum' and for 'mic' | 12:28 |
| lbt | I've avoided moving to the core/ style as I really want to go straight to the new git/pkg | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | mic one would be updated | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | er, upstreame | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | d | 12:28 |
| lbt | yep - ideally in a mer-patches feature branch | 12:29 |
| lbt | name tbd | 12:29 |
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| Stskeeps | does that setup exist yet, because i'd like to have that support ready for platform SDK matching next release | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | ie, mipsel support for mic | 12:30 |
| lbt | no, it doesn't properly | 12:30 |
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| lbt | hence the selection of "fun" :) | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | so, any objections for me SR'ing it in until we have it set up with the intention it goes in a feature branch? | 12:31 |
| lbt | no, that's OK, I'd personally like to see it in a branch in your fork of the official mer git repo for mic (if we have one) | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | not sure we do | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | but sage'd know | 12:32 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/mic | 12:32 |
| lbt | and these are only 'official' until I complete the git work and our gitweb source becomes official | 12:33 |
| lbt | I just need somewhere labelled "always pull from here" | 12:33 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 12:35 |
| lbt | hey pohly | 12:35 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: that lets me use this as a real-world example | 12:36 |
| pohly | lbt: hello | 12:36 |
| lbt | doing it for yum would be great too as it sounds like we'll carry that patch? | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i can give you a git format-patch for mic, yum .. i wonder where upstream is | 12:36 |
| lbt | that's fine then | 12:37 |
| lbt | yum is in core anyhow ... so that's BAU | 12:37 |
| lbt | isn't it? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's not | 12:38 |
| lbt | mmk | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | it's in M:T:T | 12:38 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, very nice afternoon project | 12:39 |
| lbt | ah, of course, because mic can't use zypper properly | 12:39 |
| vgrade | I'll do the kernel packaging a bit later | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: i have a .config that works to boot mer | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: if you want it | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | though no rpm packaging | 12:44 |
| vgrade | sure, thanks | 12:45 |
| vgrade | I also saw, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libcec&project=home%3Acxl000%3Axbmc | 12:45 |
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| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/r-pi-config | 12:48 |
| vgrade | grabs | 12:48 |
| vgrade | thanks | 12:48 |
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| vgrade | nice to have a recent kernel for a change | 12:49 |
| * lbt hopes you're using the HA packaging | 12:49 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: there's no kernel packaging atm but i'd assume vgrade would use yours | 12:49 |
| vgrade | lbt, of course, do we have an ARM template | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:49 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step#Make_a_kernel_package | 12:49 |
| vgrade | thanks, I think Sage did pandaboard | 12:50 |
| lbt | I've been pondering on where in Mer to put that | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | SDK? | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:50 |
| lbt | possible I guess | 12:50 |
| lbt | I've been thinking of having a HA section with some common stuff | 12:51 |
| vgrade | lbt, ok I'll follow that guide | 12:51 |
| lbt | like extlinux and the uboot | 12:51 |
| lbt | I should also make less draconian statements about picking an upstream tag | 12:51 |
| lbt | it should be "pick a sane tag that you may patch agasinst, an upstream one is a good choice or a vendor one if you have a large patchbase - or just make one" | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | also remember that git trees are rare | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | tarballs are more previvialent | 12:53 |
| lbt | yeah - we'll need to do a tar->git step-by-step too | 12:53 |
| lbt | (optional) | 12:53 |
| * Stskeeps will disappear for an hour or so | 12:53 | |
| lbt | (for sane people) | 12:53 |
| lbt | o/ | 12:53 |
| phaeron | lbt: img works | 12:53 |
| * lbt goes back to his analysis too | 12:54 | |
| lbt | phaeron: yay - thanks | 12:54 |
| phaeron | lbt: should we switch to mic now ? | 12:54 |
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| lbt | yes - for sure | 12:54 |
| lbt | zypper rm mic2 | 12:54 |
| phaeron | do you need any of the images that are in imager ? | 12:55 |
| phaeron | or can I clean it up | 12:55 |
| lbt | mmm | 12:55 |
| lbt | clean up - I made the SDK ones manually | 12:55 |
| lbt | we do need a "publish as" process around MIC | 12:56 |
| lbt | for the SDK | 12:56 |
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| phaeron | lbt: the mic for debian in mer:tools is useless . it depends on zypper | 13:15 |
| phaeron | I had fixed the packaging in mint | 13:15 |
| lbt | yes - we need to synchronise them | 13:17 |
| phaeron | lbt: I am going to upgrade mint's one | 13:17 |
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| lbt | OK - using the same mic sha1 as Tools ? | 13:17 |
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| phaeron | yes | 13:23 |
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| lbt | phaeron: could you also test the new sdk chroot for me as per ml | 13:56 |
| phaeron | lbt: ok check last job on the queue | 13:56 |
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| phaeron | lbt: sure. what do you need me to do ? | 13:57 |
| lbt | sanity check | 13:57 |
| lbt | there's a big changelog entry | 13:57 |
| phaeron | sanity ? never heard of it | 13:57 |
| lbt | hehe | 13:57 |
| lbt | yay | 13:58 |
| lbt | actually that image will have the new script in it | 13:58 |
| phaeron | cool | 13:59 |
| phaeron | lbt: that rootfs is also what I use for kvm | 13:59 |
| lbt | mmm no it won't have the script then | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | http://review.merproject.org/425 | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | reviews welcome | 14:00 |
| lbt | kernel-adaptation-vm though ... nice | 14:00 |
| phaeron | yeah incrementally added stuff to it starting from allnoconfig | 14:00 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: no comments in yaml | 14:01 |
| lbt | :P | 14:01 |
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| phaeron | so it might still need some additions | 14:02 |
| lbt | my point is that you've add the rpm rebuild script to that secion - but i have no criteria to judge if that's right or not | 14:02 |
| lbt | phaeron: *nod* | 14:02 |
| phaeron | what ? who ? me ? | 14:02 |
| lbt | no http://review.merproject.org/#patch,sidebyside,425,2,00base.yaml | 14:03 |
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| lbt | phaeron: so I need to ask what is "Mer Base System" in order to say "OK, those scripts belong in base, not in a configuration" | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: the db needs to always match the db of the target | 14:06 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: sometimes I feel that I'm reverse engineering the "why" of Mer Design by looking at the "how" of Stskeeps ... occasionally I would like it more explicit | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: mmk | 14:09 |
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| Stskeeps | so you would like that yaml to be documented | 14:10 |
| * lbt is trying to provide helpful guidance on where/why minimal docs are needed | 14:10 | |
| lbt | yeah - but "this makes the base system" is useless | 14:10 |
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| lbt | "The base system should be capable of booting to console with the addition of just a generic HA" | 14:11 |
| phaeron | lbt: alright we should merge my vm sdk to your chroot sdk ? | 14:11 |
| lbt | phaeron: yep | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: :nod: | 14:11 |
| phaeron | lbt: and btw mic fixed up in mint:testing | 14:12 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: also "Mer Xorg failsafe startup : this is intended as a minimal overlay on X+Y to provide a booting suid Xorg (suid version is more portable)" | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:13 |
| lbt | by this logic I'd say that we're missing "Mer minimal qmlviewer session" which is qt-qmlviewer + mer-reference-images/qmlviewer-session.post | 14:15 |
| lbt | the split is noted as "you can replace this with a vendor minimal session as a way to evaluate your UX" | 14:16 |
| lbt | for xorg failsafe add "This should be replaced with a nonsuid Wayland or X-server from your HA project" | 14:17 |
| * Stskeeps makes a note that we need a function in our editors "etherpad this" | 14:17 | |
| lbt | *g* I wanted that in the wiki builtin editor | 14:17 |
| lbt | shall I put these as review notes or make a patch ? | 14:18 |
| lbt | technically it looks fine of course - though it will need SDK changes | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | no, i'm making 3rd version | 14:19 |
| * lbt will do a review then ... to see how it works | 14:20 | |
| * lbt learns what "publish and submit" means .... | 14:27 | |
| Stskeeps | youdidwhat | 14:28 |
| lbt | luckily gerrit complained ... submit != webform submit .... "submit" == "accept the change into master" (clearly!) | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:28 |
| * lbt goes to edit the button text.... ohwaititsjava | 14:28 | |
| * lbt looks at phaeron ..... wouldn't it be great if we used something written in, say, django .... ever heard of anything like that? | 14:29 | |
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| phaeron | :D | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i've stated that you can try to do a reviewboard setup if you want to and have time | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | then we can review both against eachother | 14:30 |
| * phaeron buys more time from the market | 14:30 | |
| lbt | yeah - phaeron and I discussed it | 14:30 |
| lbt | but reallistically this is working well | 14:30 |
| lbt | so there's no pressure to change it IMHO | 14:30 |
| * Stskeeps glances at agilebrowser tools | 14:30 | |
| lbt | I would like to see how it handles a more multi-commit type pull | 14:31 |
| lbt | which I expect to happen with a mixed git/pkging system | 14:31 |
| lbt | ie one commit to pkg branch, one to code branch | 14:31 |
| lbt | maybe multiple to code | 14:31 |
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| phaeron | ffs mic doesn't depend on tar but needs it | 16:12 |
| phaeron | lbt: do we have qemu-user-static somewhere ? | 16:20 |
| lbt | yes | 16:20 |
| lbt | possibly M:T:T | 16:21 |
| phaeron | not there. searching | 16:24 |
| phaeron | we didn't update obs yet ? | 16:24 |
| lbt | yeah, broken | 16:24 |
| phaeron | :( | 16:24 |
| lbt | indeed | 16:24 |
| phaeron | did someone update the packages in obs:testing at least ? | 16:24 |
| lbt | doubt it | 16:25 |
| lbt | suspending kvms | 16:25 |
| phaeron | lbt: http://releases.merproject.org/packages-git/mer-crosshelpers/ | 16:26 |
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| phaeron | lbt: where is it built ? | 16:26 |
| phaeron | lbt: http://releases.merproject.org/packages-git/mer-crosshelpers/qemu-usermode-static/ specifically | 16:26 |
| lbt | core | 16:26 |
| phaeron | but it is not included in the releases | 16:27 |
| lbt | bad word | 16:27 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sourceyeah - I dunno - | 16:29 |
| phaeron | rephrase : it would be useful to have it in mer-tools or have releases of mer-crosshelpers | 16:29 |
| lbt | http://repo.ci.merproject.org/ | 16:29 |
| lbt | is down | 16:29 |
| lbt | I agree - much of this isn't written down too well :) | 16:29 |
| phaeron | lbt: for now copy it to mer-tools ? | 16:30 |
| lbt | no | 16:30 |
| lbt | if it's built against mer it should be available | 16:31 |
| lbt | I'm sure I had it installed in an SDK | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | look in prerelease | 16:31 |
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| lbt | since sb2 whined that it couldn't work with static | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | qemu-usermode and -staic | 16:31 |
| phaeron | ok so it is coming in -next ? | 16:32 |
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| lbt | http://releases.merproject.org/ | 16:33 |
| phaeron | lbt: first image produced with kvm + lvm \o/ | 16:33 |
| lbt | so that *should* have the obs repos | 16:33 |
| lbt | but I haven't finished making rsync work | 16:33 |
| lbt | so the main CI obs runs rsync but something goes wrong and I just left it | 16:34 |
| lbt | I don't know where to find prerelease Stskeeps | 16:34 |
| phaeron | lbt: I saw the error complaining about the repo machine being unreachable | 16:34 |
| lbt | phaeron: mmm could be | 16:34 |
| lbt | on cbe or main be ? | 16:34 |
| phaeron | mer cbe | 16:34 |
| phaeron | mer be | 16:34 |
| lbt | yeah I'm talking mer CI be | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | releases.merproject, read the mailing list | 16:35 |
| phaeron | .. anyway | 16:35 |
| lbt | mailing lists are not documentation | 16:35 |
| lbt | I apologise for not havine a superb memory btw... I just don't | 16:36 |
| phaeron | ok Mer:OBS:Testing:Devel now has latest git of obs | 16:36 |
| phaeron | we probably should upgrade some time soon | 16:36 |
| lbt | cool - so we can upgrade meego cobs soonish | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, what do you need qemu for? | 16:37 |
| lbt | mic? | 16:38 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: yes | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's in the prerelease, http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.0.1/builds/i486/packages/i486/qemu-usermode-1.0.2011.12-1.3.i486.rpm & http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.0.1/builds/i486/packages/i486/qemu-usermode-static-1.0.2011.12-1.2.i486.rpm | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | first is dynamic, second is static | 16:39 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: if it's coming in the next release that's good enough for me, I'll just add it to the sdkvm ks | 16:41 |
| * lbt tries to find why infra vms won't shutdown from host | 16:41 | |
| lbt | hmm acpi not nstalled on cbe | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | also, please validate prerelease by doing sdk .ks'es against it | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | the more issues we can solve in core before actual release for this time around, the better | 16:44 |
| phaeron | ok | 16:45 |
| phaeron | lbt: debian and opensuse repos in m:t:t are not needed imho | 16:45 |
| lbt | https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/ | 16:45 |
| lbt | has 0.20120209.0.1/ | 16:45 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: so that built | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok, good | 16:46 |
| lbt | I need to redo them once you merge that ks/yaml change | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok, what part did i break? | 16:46 |
| lbt | I think they'll break a tiny bit | 16:46 |
| lbt | I'm guessing the rpmdb | 16:46 |
| lbt | it may not even break | 16:47 |
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| lbt | OK - that worked well | 17:21 |
| lbt | suspend and restart of the VMs on phost5 retained my ssh session | 17:21 |
| lbt | phaeron: I'll make imgw1 the img worker master | 17:22 |
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| phaeron | ok | 17:23 |
| lbt | my N900 is going dead slow | 17:24 |
| timoph | evening | 17:26 |
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| Stskeeps | evenin' | 17:37 |
| lbt | hey timoph | 17:39 |
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| timoph | lbt: so PS1 with the sdk is now doable? | 17:46 |
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| lbt | timoph: yes | 18:10 |
| timoph | nice | 18:11 |
| lbt | review of the script and testing is appreciated | 18:11 |
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| * timoph was planning to do that in a moment :) | 18:11 | |
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| timoph | seems to work quite nicely | 18:42 |
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| timoph | where does .mersdkrc come from? | 18:53 |
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| timoph | user created? | 18:53 |
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| fluxi-flax | hi where can I find the relase notes for last week , could not find them in the status page of the wiki | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | fluxi-flax: check mailing list archives for mer | 18:59 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: currently we don't have mic branch and I would prefer to keep it that way and just use the upstream. | 19:02 |
| Sage_ | Personally I don't see any reason why we should branch mer mic out of the upstream version. The upstream is trying to be universal solution between distributions and not targetting Tizen only. | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | agreed | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | reviews wlecome on my patch | 19:05 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: currently on that | 19:05 |
| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/3462891 <- I would prefer empty line before line 39 and space after : on line 40 but otherwise looks good (if the old patch is actually working ;)) | 19:06 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: couple of things about the mic patch (not all related to your changes) | 19:14 |
| macmaN | sup boys n girls | 19:14 |
| macmaN | how's merlife on the archos g9 front | 19:14 |
| macmaN | not a single newspiece as of lately | 19:14 |
| macmaN | any other tablets besides the non-released Spark that are mer-capable? | 19:15 |
| macmaN | capable today, with a nice wiki page with working install instructions :> | 19:15 |
| macmaN | already signed up for Spark | 19:15 |
| macmaN | but really i could use a tip for something i could go and buy tomorrow.. | 19:15 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: remove extra print lines (line 45, 72). I would rename node to binfmt_node or something a bit too generic IMO. Line 104 you should check that qemu_string is not None just in case to be sure when someone adds new thing it fails properly. | 19:20 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: but otherwise seems ok | 19:21 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: one note, should the qemu >= 0.13 test be done for mipsel as well? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | hard to say | 19:30 |
| lbt | Sage_: I think you misunderstand "branch" - I don't want mer-mic, I want mic == upstream but I want to be able to apply patches on my timescales, not when they're accepted upstream | 19:30 |
| lbt | having a mer git clone of upstream with a patch applied is the same as having upstream tarball+patch ... but 10year newer approach :) | 19:31 |
| Sage_ | I would still prefer tarball+patches | 19:31 |
| Sage_ | because then you actually see what is applied on top of upstream | 19:31 |
| Sage_ | _easily_ | 19:31 |
| lbt | that's a solution to a requirement | 19:32 |
| lbt | also - as you see in the kernel packaging - it's trivial to reproduce tarball+patches | 19:33 |
| Sage_ | ? | 19:34 |
| lbt | https://obs/package/files?package=kernel-adaptation-joggler&project=Chalk%3AHA | 19:34 |
| Sage_ | .. | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: localhost obs? :) | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | well, localnet | 19:38 |
| lbt | hehe - sorry, didn't notice :) | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: i'll apply those fixes tomorrow and request another review and then submit upstream | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | macmaN: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace | 19:39 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=kernel-adaptation-joggler&project=home%3Albt%3AMer%3AJoggler%3AHA | 19:40 |
| macmaN | Stskeeps: good stuff, subscribing rss | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: btw, one requirement of the git->obs idea, for the core: tarballs must be easily checkable to verified as being same as upstream's release | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | ie, we can easily do automated checks if we match upstream's tarball release | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | and signatures, etc | 19:44 |
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| lbt | pristine tar managed to provide bitwise reproduction of all tarballs in debian | 19:45 |
| lbt | good enough ? | 19:45 |
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| Stskeeps | tar.xz, tar.gz, tar.bz2 and shouldn't hinder off the street contribution, automation on review side that does the pristine tar is ok | 19:46 |
| lbt | and... btw... one reason for doing this in tools is because I want to work things through | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i'm not letting you into core with it until it's proven in tools | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | hence why i'm giving you free hands there | 19:47 |
| lbt | *nod* | 19:47 |
| lbt | also, fyi, why I've not pushed anything to mer-tools/ | 19:47 |
| lbt | however, I reserve the right to screw up in public | 19:47 |
| lbt | which means I may have to blat early versions of tools repos - which is unacceptable in core (or at least getting close to being) | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | hello ben1066 | 19:58 |
| ben1066 | ohai Stskeeps:P | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | so what brings you here to Mer? ;) | 19:58 |
| ben1066 | I think it may have been this "Stskeeps" guy, he said Mer was more active than Meego with the same community | 19:59 |
| ben1066 | :P | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't actually say anything like that | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm glad you read it like that ;) | 19:59 |
| ben1066 | you said the meego people moved on to mer and meego was pretty dead, gives you that impression | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | nop, i said they moved on to tizen, or to mer | 19:59 |
| ben1066 | Technicalities | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah.. | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, we have a nice project going on here :) | 20:00 |
| ben1066 | #mer said he, #tizen didnt :p | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | so what was your interest in meego, out of curiousity? | 20:00 |
| ben1066 | iOS is closed source, so I didnt like that, WebOS is somewhat failed and i couldnt see any massively good points (no x86 either), Android your stuck in a VM with limited native code support, Meego is open source and allows native code development without jumping through hoops | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: well, mer is native code, though we encourage html5/qml/js for cross architecture stuff, can do qt and c++ if you really want | 20:02 |
| ben1066 | And Meego seems to have a wide set of UIs for different platforms while maintaining a similar OS | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | on x86 (even non-atom), arm, mips | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | we're just a core, compared to meego though | 20:03 |
| ben1066 | mips? | 20:03 |
| ben1066 | why mips :o | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | STB's | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | or 99$ tablets, like the android one was | 20:03 |
| ben1066 | Ah...interesting...STB's// | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | ie, you combine mer core with a hardware adaptation for a device, a UI and you have something nice | 20:04 |
| ben1066 | I kinda like the idea of having a full OS on a set top box | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | STB = set top box | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:05 |
| ben1066 | I have a so called "smart tv" which runs a propritary linux based OS with no known method of replacement unfortunately, but if some full OS could be used alongside, itd be nice | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | i know the feeling.. i'm pretty sure my tv is linux based, but it's locked dow | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | n | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | i will however hook up a raspberry pi or a trimslice one day | 20:06 |
| ben1066 | I know mine is, ive found the source for it | 20:06 |
| ben1066 | Thats my plan except I think the rasberry pi has too little ram to massively useful in such an application | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | 128 or 256.. fair bit | 20:06 |
| ben1066 | trimslice could work.. | 20:06 |
| ben1066 | 256mb isnt huge...and armv6 isnt pretty :P | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, i was demoing 1080p h264 on it | 20:07 |
| ben1066 | its nice for price | 20:07 |
| ben1066 | and considering the trim slice costs £200 | 20:08 |
| ben1066 | D: | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | cheap, for smartphone grade hw | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | with gbe, too | 20:08 |
| ben1066 | Last gen smartphone tbh, armv6 is mostly phased out | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, trimslice one | 20:08 |
| ben1066 | ah right yea, thats cheap | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | and yeah, armv6 is mostly phased out, but the GLESv2/EGL really makes up for a lot | 20:09 |
| ben1066 | although I think id be more inclined to go with the panda or beageboard | 20:09 |
| ben1066 | fully open source platforms | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | well, you aren't going to find open source EGL/GLESv2 on ARM | 20:09 |
| ben1066 | True poin | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | best case it's redistributable and open kernel modules | 20:10 |
| ben1066 | unless mesa on arm, thatd be kinda brilliant | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | i wish llvmpipe was working on arm but it doesn't :/ | 20:10 |
| ben1066 | there does appear to be opengles and powervr and all that fun stuff for pandaboard | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, pandaboard is a nice kit | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | though sometimes hard to get | 20:21 |
| ben1066 | there is an EU reseller now | 20:21 |
| ben1066 | in germany I think | 20:21 |
| ben1066 | mouser is my best bet | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | though raspberry pi's are of the kind you can place anywhere | 20:22 |
| ben1066 | make that nowhere atm :P | 20:22 |
| ben1066 | http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/PandaBoard/UEVM4460G-02-01-00/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvFPGEOwQcrY4%2f7rxV7jhbyK5P6Sy2KQB8%3d | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | well, i have a beta board for development, but hmm | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:22 |
| ben1066 | pandaboard ES, worldwide shipping | 20:22 |
| ben1066 | Stskeeps: Damn you! | 20:22 |
| ben1066 | How does everyone get this fancy stuff D: did you win one of the auctions? | 20:22 |
| ben1066 | or did you get given? | 20:22 |
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| Bostik | "stock ~200, can dispatch immediately" <-- now that is a new development | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | i guess borrowed to help have stuff ready for r-pi launch | 20:23 |
| ben1066 | Bostik: xD | 20:23 |
| ben1066 | They used to be hard to find | 20:23 |
| ben1066 | http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/PandaBoard/UEVM4430G-01-00-00/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvFPGEOwQcrY6UazRCeuOx3m4qF5LfToF8%3d | 20:23 |
| ben1066 | they have over 1000 of the standard | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fy63w6WxOw was a video i did yesterday of a r-pi hack i did | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | anyway | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | time to head to bed, nini | 20:26 |
| ben1066 | I hope to get one of the first rasbpis | 20:26 |
| ben1066 | wish the pandaboard had gbe | 20:32 |
| _av500_ | what is the exitement about getting a slow CPU? | 20:32 |
| _av500_ | gbe? | 20:32 |
| ben1066 | _av500_: its cheap | 20:32 |
| ben1066 | gigabit ethernet | 20:32 |
| _av500_ | ah | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, cheap is probably only reason | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | i would go for armv7 normally | 20:32 |
| _av500_ | and what does it do with a gbit? | 20:32 |
| ben1066 | _av500_: stream 1080p across a home network? | 20:33 |
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| ben1066 | or more | 20:33 |
| _av500_ | 125mbit/s? | 20:33 |
| ben1066 | or serve said cotent :P | 20:33 |
| _av500_ | you must have ultravioletray drives | 20:33 |
| ben1066 | :D ofc I do | 20:34 |
| ben1066 | actually they are gamma drives, but ssh, they come from the future | 20:34 |
| _av500_ | ben1066: from what are you going to serve a gigabit? | 20:35 |
| _av500_ | and I was wrong, its 125MB/s, and still a 1bgit movie | 20:35 |
| _av500_ | blurray is like 40mbit/s | 20:35 |
| ben1066 | a home server with gigabit ethernet :P | 20:35 |
| _av500_ | 1gbit/s to and from /dev/null | 20:36 |
| ben1066 | Yea | 20:37 |
| ben1066 | sounds like a good diea | 20:37 |
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| cxl000 | vgrade: Thought I would try and get xbmc running again on the trimslice now that the newer softfp drivers work better. Still have the pulseaudio pthread_mutex_unlock issue. | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | might clear up with eglibc 2.15 | 21:11 |
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| cxl000 | I've enabled armv6l for you rasberry-pi people | 21:14 |
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| ben1066 | Stskeeps: what happened to bed? :P | 21:16 |
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