Saturday, 2012-02-25

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Termanamorning03:06
Alison_ChaikenHuomenta, Termana03:06
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* timoph is up way too early on Saturday04:07
timophmorning04:07
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dm8tbrAlison_Chaiken: huomenta04:27
* dm8tbr is just getting up for his flights HEL-WAW-WRO04:28
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Alison_Chaikendm8tbr, sounds like you're in a rush, but is there an Archos tablet available for purchase right now that you would recommend for a customer demo?05:11
Alison_ChaikenWe all can see the Spark is going to be awesome, but it's not clear when we're going to get them, right?05:11
Alison_Chaiken(Or if anyone else has an opinion, speak up as well!)05:12
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dm8tbrAlison_Chaiken: right right now: archos gen8 based on 3630 omap silicon06:04
dm8tbrAlison_Chaiken: inofficially already also archos gen9, based on 4430 and the turbo version around 4430 and 4460 silicon06:05
dm8tbrofficial SDE for gen9 is due soon(tm) with the ICS firmware update06:05
dm8tbryou may glare at _av500_ for that06:06
dm8tbrAlison_Chaiken: there is a ready mer/pa adaptation for gen906:06
dm8tbrok, boarding completed, time to switch to flight mode soon06:06
Alison_ChaikenThanks dm8tbr, I'll have a look.06:07
dm8tbrAlison_Chaiken: a nice bit on gen9 is the slot for optional 3g modem, that is also a regular EHCI port of the omap406:08
dm8tbrAlison_Chaiken: should have asked me at ELC, I had the 101g9 with me (without mer though)06:09
Alison_ChaikenOoh, gen9 sounds nice.06:09
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Alison_ChaikenJust talked customer into demo today; they wanted to pay me to do something less fun.06:09
Alison_ChaikenWhat good is a new customer without a new toy?06:10
dm8tbrfor gen9 there is an inofficial recovery that you can flash for developer mode06:10
Alison_ChaikenCustomer doesn't know or case what the platform is, so mer will work.06:10
Alison_ChaikenQt 4.7 is rocking on mer, right?06:10
dm8tbrthe link is in one of the blog post comments on http://openpma.org06:11
dm8tbrfor the mer images, look on the basyskom servers06:12
dm8tbrfollow the links to their other images and once on the image server browse folders06:12
dm8tbrvgrade can point out which ones work06:13
Alison_ChaikenNaturally I was just emailing vgrade asking him the same question!06:15
Alison_Chaiken101g9 is Egalax?06:17
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dm8tbrdunno06:19
Alison_ChaikenBut touchscreen works?06:19
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Stskeepsmorn06:34
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: we even have qt4.806:35
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Stskeepsmorn phaeron07:25
phaeronmorning07:25
* phaeron has problems booting minimal mer07:28
phaeronin kvm07:28
Stskeepswhat errors?07:28
phaeronsystemd fails to start getty.service , falls back to rescue.service and fails to start that as well07:29
Stskeepscan i see the full startup log?07:29
* phaeron ponders how to get that07:29
phaerontext console maybe07:30
Stskeepswell, isn't it a serial console / text console it spits errors out on?07:30
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phaeronI think I didn't enable serial console in that kernel07:54
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Stskeepsah, probably a good idea to do07:55
Stskeepstell me what tty it comes up on07:56
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phaeronStskeeps: tty0 , I can see that rescue.target wants rescue.service , and that wants to ExecStartPre=-/bin/plymouth quit which fails because it is not there08:02
phaeronmodifying the rootfs to add a symlink for getty target08:06
phaerongot a getty :)08:06
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phaeronStskeeps: other thing that fails is the tmpfiles clean due to missing utmp stuff08:12
phaeronnot fatal afair08:12
vgrademorning08:16
Stskeepsmorn vgrade08:17
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phaeronStskeeps: shouldn't there be a symlink /etc/mtab to /proc/self/mounts installed by default ?08:26
Stskeepsthere should be08:26
Stskeepsthere's a bug for sdk at least08:27
Stskeepsproblem is just that no package owns that symlink08:27
phaeronStskeeps: filesystem package ?08:28
Stskeepsnot on my fc install08:28
phaeronI was suggesting that it should. then maybe an early systemd service to create it08:30
Stskeeps:nod:08:31
Stskeepsi agree08:31
phaeronok now trying to get sshd to start on boot08:32
Stskeepsinstall openssh-server08:33
phaeronIt was already included in the ks , but sshd doesn't come up08:34
phaeronalthough the ssh-keys service starts fine08:34
Stskeepshmm08:34
phaeronloaded disabled08:36
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phaeronStskeeps: systemd still complains , probably that service can't start early enough08:59
phaeronalthough it works later09:00
Stskeepsmaybe network not up09:00
phaeronlbt: I meant the mtab.service I created09:01
Stskeepsi think 'mic' or 'filesystem' should make the symlink09:01
Stskeepscheck how fedora and opensuse does it i guess, with systemd09:02
phaeronerr09:02
Stskeepskeep in mind that fs might be ro at startup09:03
phaeronyeah09:04
phaerongoing back to kernel config anyway09:04
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lbtmorning09:37
Stskeepsmorn09:38
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alteregoToday I will mostly be cycling on my new bike, gonna do 14mi today.10:01
alteregoStskeeps: we do have SSL in core right?10:02
alteregoI'm thinking we need some kind of platform sdk connectivity tool.10:02
Stskeepsright10:02
alteregoBut I've been thinking about it and it's some what tricky.10:02
Stskeepslook into utfs that meego sdk used10:03
alteregoMaybe have some docs about how to add wireless configuration to your kickstart10:03
alteregoBut with something like the exo, it's a bit harder to have an out-of-the-box ssh access. Which is essential for my "stylee" of development :)10:04
alteregoThough it did pick up my usb ethernet dongle straight away. connman just failed to configure it and I couldn't find a dhcp client in my image.10:06
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* phaeron is seeing weird things10:59
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Stskeepsmm?11:05
phaeronnever mind , regenerating rootfs11:06
Stskeepsj11:07
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phaeronStskeeps: so far the vm rootfs kernel looks like http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/imger/blobs/master/doc/mer-core-i586-sdkvm.ks11:31
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lbtnb  mount --bind is a total PITA11:42
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Stskeepshello commandline11:47
Stskeepslbt: yes, but not much other options11:48
commandlinehello :)11:48
Stskeepscommandline: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?11:48
commandlinecuriosity mostly, i come by way of the spark tablet11:48
lbtStskeeps: no, I'm finding out stuff though .... especially mount --make-unbindable and such11:49
lbtcommandline: working on it or interested in it?11:49
commandlinejust preordered one11:49
Stskeepscommandline: alright, if you have any questions regarding Mer you're more than welcome to ask, else feel free to hang out to learn more11:49
commandlinethank you, i'll lurk for now, and learn some11:50
commandlinei'll probably have more questions once it actually ships11:51
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phaeronso it seems the ext4 produced by my mkfs was not liked by the vm kernel ..12:30
phaeronI hate weird things like this12:30
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* Stskeeps is finally back at his desk12:43
phaeronzypper rm connman fails if dbus is not running12:53
Stskeepsnot good12:59
* phaeron discovers ip=dhcp kernel option13:00
phaerondon't need connman :D13:00
phaeronsshd.service still doesn't want to start13:02
phaeronautomatically that is13:02
Stskeepsodd, it does it fine on nemo i think13:03
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Macerblah13:06
vgradeMacer Hi13:14
vgradefeeling better?13:14
vgradewe missed a few times last week, hows things13:15
* Stskeeps boots up the r-pi13:17
Stskeepsvgrade: so, with the r-pi i think we can at least get kernel ready, with regards to GLESv2 enablement i'd like to use the r-pi as a qt5 reference device for the work we'll be doing13:19
Stskeepsi don't want to attempt to switch qt4.8.0 to lighthouse or qws13:20
vgradeok, kernel is on my list for this weekend13:20
vgradesounds like a good plan for qt513:20
Stskeepsdid you see the bcm_host.h stuff?13:21
Stskeepswe get HDMI CEC13:21
* Stskeeps ponders idly13:23
vgradethats control from tv remote.  I remoember seeing a video of that recently13:24
Stskeepsyes13:24
vgradehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBs7KaTK5Hk13:25
Stskeepsi think i'll do an afternoon project13:25
Stskeepsability for x11 apps to use gles by cheating13:25
vgradecould that work with mali gles drivers?13:30
Stskeepspossibly, but hmm..13:30
Stskeepsi see a static.a thing for libegl13:31
Stskeepsthat should do it13:32
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Stskeepsheh-heh13:50
* Stskeeps succeeds13:50
Stskeepsmake your own libEGL: armv5tel-redhat-linux-gnueabi-ld -shared -o libtest.so -L ../ *.o -lbcm_host ../libvchiq_arm.a ../libvcos.a13:50
Stskeepsfrom the libEGL_static.a13:50
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* phaeron scratches head14:08
Stskeepsmm?14:10
phaeronStskeeps: the ssh.service issue14:13
phaeroneverything else is ok now14:13
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Sage_phaeron: ssh.service issue?14:28
phaeronSage_: yes14:29
phaeronSage_: it is enabled but not active14:29
phaeronSage_: I don't have connman installed14:29
Sage_it shouldn't be running if there isn't ssh connection14:29
Sage_it starts when incoming ssh connection comes see sshd.socket14:30
phaeronwell it didn't work but let me retry after the other changes I just made14:30
Sage_I've noted some oddness on sshd at times as well though, but not sure about the cause14:31
Sage_and that problem has been mainly with pandaboard14:31
Stskeepssomething for the logs.. root@raspberrypi:/opt/vc/lib/i/exp# gcc -shared -o libtest.so -L ../../ *.o -g -lbcm_host ../../libvchiq_arm.a ../../libvcos.a  ../../libkhrn_static.a ../../libvmcs_rpc_client.a14:47
Stskeepsvgrade: i have glestest working with 60fps14:51
Stskeepsand yes, glestest = x1114:52
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Stskeepsand of course my prototype stops working15:22
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vgradejust back from shops15:24
vgradeso this does without the need for the setup call for vchiq15:29
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Stskeepswell, right now i can't get it to work again15:30
Stskeepsfantastic15:30
lbtis it switched on?15:32
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* Stskeeps doesn't like to rely on magic15:42
lbtmagic like electicity ?15:42
lbt:)15:42
lbtOK there is a new sdk chroot script on github15:42
lbtfairly significant rewrite15:43
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Stskeepscol15:58
Stskeepscool15:58
lbtjust realised I need to prevent umount whilst a chroot is active15:58
lbtwe can also run some wrapper to set PS115:59
lbtmount --rbind and some tricks with mount --make-unbindable seem to make it more robust15:59
Macervgrade: sorry. my father is sick and i am in the hospital now with him. i will work on it later16:00
Stskeepslbt: rbind?16:02
lbtmount --rbind / ${sdkroot}/parentroot/16:02
lbthttp://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/sharedsubtree.txt16:02
lbtfor more than you *ever* want to know about bind mounts16:02
* Stskeeps runs away screaming16:03
lbtyou know I mentioned lxc.... :)16:03
Stskeepsi don't know of many people who has lxc set up on their developer machines16:04
lbtI'm actually a bit concerned about bg processes being started in chroots and stopping umounts16:04
lbtit's a bit like uml16:04
lbtor qemu16:04
phaeronfuser and kill16:05
Stskeepskill all processes underneath process in the tree?16:05
lbtthey can easily reparent to 116:05
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lbtlxc is essentially both of those things16:05
lbtit's like qemu without the emulation16:06
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lbtanyhow... it's on the todo list for after chroot is working well16:06
lbthey phaeron16:06
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vgradeMacer, np probs16:12
phaeronlbt: hey16:12
phaeronfood now16:12
phaeronlbt: tested img and committed some fixes16:13
phaeronwill push a new version16:13
lbtcool16:13
phaeronlbt: about chroot. maybe use pid namespaces (cgroups or something else)16:14
lbt*nod*16:14
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lbtI think the correct way to handle that is actually lxc - otherwise that's what we end up rewriting I think16:16
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phaeronI think kvm is a better idea than lxc16:18
lbtwhy?16:19
phaeronbrb16:20
Stskeepswell, if you really need best protection, a VM is the answer16:22
Stskeepsbut then there's no sharing /home16:22
lbtexactly16:22
lbtwe're after a bit of isolation and good interoperability16:22
Aardwhy not? plan9fs ;)16:22
* lbt finds a trout to slap Aard with...16:22
lbthttp://virt.kernelnewbies.org/TechComparison16:23
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lbtnotice architecture support too16:25
Stskeepsnote to self: pass a bad display manager record to the raspberry pi and it crashes16:25
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Stskeepsvgrade: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/x11-hack-libegl16:38
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* Stskeeps makes a mer file system16:42
lbtgrumble... need to bind mount sdk onto itself ... which is fine ... but when cleaning up the executing script is read from the bound mount so device is busy16:54
Stskeepsbind mount sdk onto itself.?16:54
lbtyeah16:54
Stskeepswhy..16:54
lbtit makes it a mountpoint16:54
Stskeepsfor lxc or?16:55
lbtchroot16:55
lbtthis is mainly so when you have 2 SDK instances16:55
lbtthe second doesn't contain the first16:55
lbtit bind mounts / to parentroot16:55
lbtand / contains SDK1 bind-mountpoints16:56
lbtso you make /blah/sdk a mountpoint by bind mount to self16:56
lbtthen restrict it to be non-bindable16:56
lbtsee the kernel.org doc for details16:56
lbtit's messy16:56
lbtwell, it's messy if you don't do it this way16:57
lbtthis is just a teeny bit messy16:57
Stskeepsjust don't do what the meego sdk people did16:59
Stskeepsadded a rm -rf * or the likes into their script16:59
Stskeepsby accident16:59
lbtI have 2 rm commands - both act on single named files :)17:00
lbtfixed - made it a lazy umount17:03
lbtpushed ...17:07
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simon_arcomivihi folks:)17:25
simon_arcomivido you know whether there are gpsd and gypsy RPMs in repos?17:26
simon_arcomiviso far I could not find them, but maybe I looked wrong.17:27
Stskeepswe don't carry them in mer but should be no problem building them yourself17:30
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Stskeepsyou can probably grab the source rpms from meego if you want17:47
simon_arcomiviStskeeps: yes that is what I am currently doing ;) How risky is it?17:52
simon_arcomivibecause i need a couple of RPMs more.17:53
Stskeepsdo you have a community obs account?17:53
simon_arcomiviMer specific one? no. I had a MeeGo OBS account.17:53
Stskeepsif build.pub.meego.com, that can be used to build against mer as well :)17:54
Stskeepssee topic17:54
Stskeepshopefully we'll make platform sdk able to build these kind of things too17:55
simon_arcomivi:) ok, yes that is the OBS i have/had an account for, havent tried it for some time now. I will check.17:56
simon_arcomivioh, wrong, that was not the Community OBS, but Core OBS.18:01
simon_arcomiviSo, no I do not have an account there :)18:02
Stskeepshehe, one of the few :)18:02
Stskeepstell lbt your meego.com login18:02
Stskeepswhat did you maintain on build.meego.com, out of curiousity?18:02
simon_arcomiviI was supposed to maintain Navit, but that was short before MeeGo was 'suspended' all of the sudden.18:03
simon_arcomivithat is what I am trying to compile now.18:03
Stskeepsah18:04
simon_arcomiviThats why i need gpsd and gypsy and some other RPMS.18:04
Stskeepsmakes sense18:04
Stskeepsnavit.. isn't it gtk?18:04
simon_arcomivigtk, qt, qml18:04
simon_arcomiviI use Qt18:04
Stskeepsah, ok18:04
simon_arcomivi.18:04
Stskeepsthat's most wise, you would be ripping your hair out quite soon when trying to include gtk :)18:04
Stskeeps(we don't contain gtk in mer, but people are using gtk on top of mer)18:05
simon_arcomiviI know, actually never used gtk with navit, sincei embedd it in qt anyways.18:05
simon_arcomiviso, lbt needs my meego login?18:06
Stskeepsyeah, he might be out dancing tango right now though18:06
simon_arcomivii will try, w818:07
Stskeepsok, i can understand why people like zypper now18:09
simon_arcomiviok, seems he is not there... i will try later, for now i will include rpms manually to build Navit.18:09
Stskeepsi'm on raspberry pi, fetch tar, downloaded and installed in <5 sec18:09
simon_arcomiviYes zypper is very nice!18:09
simon_arcomivihow is raspberry actually? Nice hardware?18:11
Stskeepsfantastic hardware, nice little board, very capable gfx chip18:11
simon_arcomiviI'd love to try it out.18:11
simon_arcomivifor now I am testing with D510 board from Intel.18:12
simon_arcomiviMer is working really nice on this as well.18:12
simon_arcomiviI cannot wait to try it out in the car.18:12
Stskeepsyeah, well, that's part due to intel's good work in hardware adaptations18:12
simon_arcomiviAs soon as I compiled Navit.18:12
Stskeepsi hope we can share mer and tizen hardware adaptations18:12
simon_arcomiviYes I look forward to hear some news from this integration.18:13
simon_arcomiviI am missing the transparency in tizen now.18:13
Stskeepsyeah.. well, i hope they will do something good, even in secret18:14
Stskeepsit's better for open source community tizen lives than that it fails18:14
simon_arcomivithat is always true, well, lets see.. ok I gotta go make some food, be back later...18:15
Stskeepssee you18:15
simon_arcomivicu18:15
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Stskeepsgimli: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/x11-hack-libegl .. insane little hack i did18:18
Stskeepsgimli: i can with this run apps built for x11+gles18:18
gimlinice18:18
Stskeepswith a bit of work you could get window positions too18:19
gimliStskeeps: cool hack anyway.18:19
Stskeepsjust ran qmlviewer -opengl -fullscreen with it18:19
Stskeepson qt4.8.018:20
gimlii think more about xbmc on platforms where we would need x11+egl18:20
Stskeeps:nod: i don't think i would be able to do this on a .so, was only able to because of there being _static.a files18:21
Stskeepsbut i might be wrong18:22
Stskeepsbut yeah, a similar hack may be applicable through LD_PRELOAD18:24
lbtsimon_arcomivi: done... have fun18:25
Stskeepsphaeron: sshd-hostkeys18:28
Stskeepsphaeron: there might be a service for this18:29
phaeronStskeeps: yes there is. that works fine. in fact everything works ok18:29
Stskeepsoh ok18:31
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Stskeepsoh, heh hheh18:41
Stskeepsso, i have harmattan qml components running on raspberry pi18:44
Stskeepsexcept i have no mouse to control it with18:44
_av500_you can always echo into /dev/input18:45
_av500_use cat for mouse18:45
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Stskeepshmm, synergy might do the trick18:47
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ali1234synergy doesn't work without X1118:55
Stskeepsi have x11..18:57
Stskeeps:P18:57
ali1234i don't get it... what exactly is this thing you're doing anyway?19:01
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ali1234also, this is how i did something simlar with LD_PRELOAD (and without patching existing libraries)  http://pastebin.com/PPL9VuUx19:06
Stskeepsali1234: running unmodified x11 + egl apps on raspberry pi by abusing api semantics19:09
Stskeepselse you have to do really bizarre broadcom specific stuff19:09
ali1234but still running them in X11?19:10
Stskeepsyeah19:10
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StskeepsX11+GLESv2 + Qt 4.8.0 + Harmattan QML components on Raspberry Pi, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fy63w6WxOw&feature=youtu.be20:01
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lbtyou'd think running bash under su would be easy.... oh no22:20
lbtnot if you want to run a specific .bashrc22:20
lbtsetarch i386 chroot ${sdkroot} su -s /bin/bash -l $user -- -c "exec bash --init-file /mer-bash-setup -i"22:20
lbtwhat mer-bash-setup does is emulate the normal .profile reading behaviour but a) pre-sets export MERSDK=1 and b) runs ~/.mersdk.profile if present22:23
lbtso PS1 is now possible :)22:23
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