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Termana | morning | 03:06 |
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Alison_Chaiken | Huomenta, Termana | 03:06 |
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timoph | morning | 04:07 |
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dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: huomenta | 04:27 |
* dm8tbr is just getting up for his flights HEL-WAW-WRO | 04:28 | |
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Alison_Chaiken | dm8tbr, sounds like you're in a rush, but is there an Archos tablet available for purchase right now that you would recommend for a customer demo? | 05:11 |
Alison_Chaiken | We all can see the Spark is going to be awesome, but it's not clear when we're going to get them, right? | 05:11 |
Alison_Chaiken | (Or if anyone else has an opinion, speak up as well!) | 05:12 |
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dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: right right now: archos gen8 based on 3630 omap silicon | 06:04 |
dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: inofficially already also archos gen9, based on 4430 and the turbo version around 4430 and 4460 silicon | 06:05 |
dm8tbr | official SDE for gen9 is due soon(tm) with the ICS firmware update | 06:05 |
dm8tbr | you may glare at _av500_ for that | 06:06 |
dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: there is a ready mer/pa adaptation for gen9 | 06:06 |
dm8tbr | ok, boarding completed, time to switch to flight mode soon | 06:06 |
Alison_Chaiken | Thanks dm8tbr, I'll have a look. | 06:07 |
dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: a nice bit on gen9 is the slot for optional 3g modem, that is also a regular EHCI port of the omap4 | 06:08 |
dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: should have asked me at ELC, I had the 101g9 with me (without mer though) | 06:09 |
Alison_Chaiken | Ooh, gen9 sounds nice. | 06:09 |
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Alison_Chaiken | Just talked customer into demo today; they wanted to pay me to do something less fun. | 06:09 |
Alison_Chaiken | What good is a new customer without a new toy? | 06:10 |
dm8tbr | for gen9 there is an inofficial recovery that you can flash for developer mode | 06:10 |
Alison_Chaiken | Customer doesn't know or case what the platform is, so mer will work. | 06:10 |
Alison_Chaiken | Qt 4.7 is rocking on mer, right? | 06:10 |
dm8tbr | the link is in one of the blog post comments on http://openpma.org | 06:11 |
dm8tbr | for the mer images, look on the basyskom servers | 06:12 |
dm8tbr | follow the links to their other images and once on the image server browse folders | 06:12 |
dm8tbr | vgrade can point out which ones work | 06:13 |
Alison_Chaiken | Naturally I was just emailing vgrade asking him the same question! | 06:15 |
Alison_Chaiken | 101g9 is Egalax? | 06:17 |
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dm8tbr | dunno | 06:19 |
Alison_Chaiken | But touchscreen works? | 06:19 |
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Stskeeps | morn | 06:34 |
Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: we even have qt4.8 | 06:35 |
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Stskeeps | morn phaeron | 07:25 |
phaeron | morning | 07:25 |
* phaeron has problems booting minimal mer | 07:28 | |
phaeron | in kvm | 07:28 |
Stskeeps | what errors? | 07:28 |
phaeron | systemd fails to start getty.service , falls back to rescue.service and fails to start that as well | 07:29 |
Stskeeps | can i see the full startup log? | 07:29 |
* phaeron ponders how to get that | 07:29 | |
phaeron | text console maybe | 07:30 |
Stskeeps | well, isn't it a serial console / text console it spits errors out on? | 07:30 |
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phaeron | I think I didn't enable serial console in that kernel | 07:54 |
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Stskeeps | ah, probably a good idea to do | 07:55 |
Stskeeps | tell me what tty it comes up on | 07:56 |
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phaeron | Stskeeps: tty0 , I can see that rescue.target wants rescue.service , and that wants to ExecStartPre=-/bin/plymouth quit which fails because it is not there | 08:02 |
phaeron | modifying the rootfs to add a symlink for getty target | 08:06 |
phaeron | got a getty :) | 08:06 |
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phaeron | Stskeeps: other thing that fails is the tmpfiles clean due to missing utmp stuff | 08:12 |
phaeron | not fatal afair | 08:12 |
vgrade | morning | 08:16 |
Stskeeps | morn vgrade | 08:17 |
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phaeron | Stskeeps: shouldn't there be a symlink /etc/mtab to /proc/self/mounts installed by default ? | 08:26 |
Stskeeps | there should be | 08:26 |
Stskeeps | there's a bug for sdk at least | 08:27 |
Stskeeps | problem is just that no package owns that symlink | 08:27 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: filesystem package ? | 08:28 |
Stskeeps | not on my fc install | 08:28 |
phaeron | I was suggesting that it should. then maybe an early systemd service to create it | 08:30 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:31 |
Stskeeps | i agree | 08:31 |
phaeron | ok now trying to get sshd to start on boot | 08:32 |
Stskeeps | install openssh-server | 08:33 |
phaeron | It was already included in the ks , but sshd doesn't come up | 08:34 |
phaeron | although the ssh-keys service starts fine | 08:34 |
Stskeeps | hmm | 08:34 |
phaeron | loaded disabled | 08:36 |
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phaeron | Stskeeps: systemd still complains , probably that service can't start early enough | 08:59 |
phaeron | although it works later | 09:00 |
Stskeeps | maybe network not up | 09:00 |
phaeron | lbt: I meant the mtab.service I created | 09:01 |
Stskeeps | i think 'mic' or 'filesystem' should make the symlink | 09:01 |
Stskeeps | check how fedora and opensuse does it i guess, with systemd | 09:02 |
phaeron | err | 09:02 |
Stskeeps | keep in mind that fs might be ro at startup | 09:03 |
phaeron | yeah | 09:04 |
phaeron | going back to kernel config anyway | 09:04 |
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lbt | morning | 09:37 |
Stskeeps | morn | 09:38 |
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alterego | Today I will mostly be cycling on my new bike, gonna do 14mi today. | 10:01 |
alterego | Stskeeps: we do have SSL in core right? | 10:02 |
alterego | I'm thinking we need some kind of platform sdk connectivity tool. | 10:02 |
Stskeeps | right | 10:02 |
alterego | But I've been thinking about it and it's some what tricky. | 10:02 |
Stskeeps | look into utfs that meego sdk used | 10:03 |
alterego | Maybe have some docs about how to add wireless configuration to your kickstart | 10:03 |
alterego | But with something like the exo, it's a bit harder to have an out-of-the-box ssh access. Which is essential for my "stylee" of development :) | 10:04 |
alterego | Though it did pick up my usb ethernet dongle straight away. connman just failed to configure it and I couldn't find a dhcp client in my image. | 10:06 |
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Stskeeps | mm? | 11:05 |
phaeron | never mind , regenerating rootfs | 11:06 |
Stskeeps | j | 11:07 |
Stskeeps | k | 11:07 |
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phaeron | Stskeeps: so far the vm rootfs kernel looks like http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/imger/blobs/master/doc/mer-core-i586-sdkvm.ks | 11:31 |
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lbt | nb mount --bind is a total PITA | 11:42 |
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Stskeeps | hello commandline | 11:47 |
Stskeeps | lbt: yes, but not much other options | 11:48 |
commandline | hello :) | 11:48 |
Stskeeps | commandline: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 11:48 |
commandline | curiosity mostly, i come by way of the spark tablet | 11:48 |
lbt | Stskeeps: no, I'm finding out stuff though .... especially mount --make-unbindable and such | 11:49 |
lbt | commandline: working on it or interested in it? | 11:49 |
commandline | just preordered one | 11:49 |
Stskeeps | commandline: alright, if you have any questions regarding Mer you're more than welcome to ask, else feel free to hang out to learn more | 11:49 |
commandline | thank you, i'll lurk for now, and learn some | 11:50 |
commandline | i'll probably have more questions once it actually ships | 11:51 |
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phaeron | so it seems the ext4 produced by my mkfs was not liked by the vm kernel .. | 12:30 |
phaeron | I hate weird things like this | 12:30 |
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phaeron | zypper rm connman fails if dbus is not running | 12:53 |
Stskeeps | not good | 12:59 |
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phaeron | don't need connman :D | 13:00 |
phaeron | sshd.service still doesn't want to start | 13:02 |
phaeron | automatically that is | 13:02 |
Stskeeps | odd, it does it fine on nemo i think | 13:03 |
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Macer | blah | 13:06 |
vgrade | Macer Hi | 13:14 |
vgrade | feeling better? | 13:14 |
vgrade | we missed a few times last week, hows things | 13:15 |
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Stskeeps | vgrade: so, with the r-pi i think we can at least get kernel ready, with regards to GLESv2 enablement i'd like to use the r-pi as a qt5 reference device for the work we'll be doing | 13:19 |
Stskeeps | i don't want to attempt to switch qt4.8.0 to lighthouse or qws | 13:20 |
vgrade | ok, kernel is on my list for this weekend | 13:20 |
vgrade | sounds like a good plan for qt5 | 13:20 |
Stskeeps | did you see the bcm_host.h stuff? | 13:21 |
Stskeeps | we get HDMI CEC | 13:21 |
* Stskeeps ponders idly | 13:23 | |
vgrade | thats control from tv remote. I remoember seeing a video of that recently | 13:24 |
Stskeeps | yes | 13:24 |
vgrade | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBs7KaTK5Hk | 13:25 |
Stskeeps | i think i'll do an afternoon project | 13:25 |
Stskeeps | ability for x11 apps to use gles by cheating | 13:25 |
vgrade | could that work with mali gles drivers? | 13:30 |
Stskeeps | possibly, but hmm.. | 13:30 |
Stskeeps | i see a static.a thing for libegl | 13:31 |
Stskeeps | that should do it | 13:32 |
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Stskeeps | heh-heh | 13:50 |
* Stskeeps succeeds | 13:50 | |
Stskeeps | make your own libEGL: armv5tel-redhat-linux-gnueabi-ld -shared -o libtest.so -L ../ *.o -lbcm_host ../libvchiq_arm.a ../libvcos.a | 13:50 |
Stskeeps | from the libEGL_static.a | 13:50 |
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Stskeeps | mm? | 14:10 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: the ssh.service issue | 14:13 |
phaeron | everything else is ok now | 14:13 |
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Sage_ | phaeron: ssh.service issue? | 14:28 |
phaeron | Sage_: yes | 14:29 |
phaeron | Sage_: it is enabled but not active | 14:29 |
phaeron | Sage_: I don't have connman installed | 14:29 |
Sage_ | it shouldn't be running if there isn't ssh connection | 14:29 |
Sage_ | it starts when incoming ssh connection comes see sshd.socket | 14:30 |
phaeron | well it didn't work but let me retry after the other changes I just made | 14:30 |
Sage_ | I've noted some oddness on sshd at times as well though, but not sure about the cause | 14:31 |
Sage_ | and that problem has been mainly with pandaboard | 14:31 |
Stskeeps | something for the logs.. root@raspberrypi:/opt/vc/lib/i/exp# gcc -shared -o libtest.so -L ../../ *.o -g -lbcm_host ../../libvchiq_arm.a ../../libvcos.a ../../libkhrn_static.a ../../libvmcs_rpc_client.a | 14:47 |
Stskeeps | vgrade: i have glestest working with 60fps | 14:51 |
Stskeeps | and yes, glestest = x11 | 14:52 |
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Stskeeps | and of course my prototype stops working | 15:22 |
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vgrade | just back from shops | 15:24 |
vgrade | so this does without the need for the setup call for vchiq | 15:29 |
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Stskeeps | well, right now i can't get it to work again | 15:30 |
Stskeeps | fantastic | 15:30 |
lbt | is it switched on? | 15:32 |
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* Stskeeps doesn't like to rely on magic | 15:42 | |
lbt | magic like electicity ? | 15:42 |
lbt | :) | 15:42 |
lbt | OK there is a new sdk chroot script on github | 15:42 |
lbt | fairly significant rewrite | 15:43 |
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Stskeeps | col | 15:58 |
Stskeeps | cool | 15:58 |
lbt | just realised I need to prevent umount whilst a chroot is active | 15:58 |
lbt | we can also run some wrapper to set PS1 | 15:59 |
lbt | mount --rbind and some tricks with mount --make-unbindable seem to make it more robust | 15:59 |
Macer | vgrade: sorry. my father is sick and i am in the hospital now with him. i will work on it later | 16:00 |
Stskeeps | lbt: rbind? | 16:02 |
lbt | mount --rbind / ${sdkroot}/parentroot/ | 16:02 |
lbt | http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/sharedsubtree.txt | 16:02 |
lbt | for more than you *ever* want to know about bind mounts | 16:02 |
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lbt | you know I mentioned lxc.... :) | 16:03 |
Stskeeps | i don't know of many people who has lxc set up on their developer machines | 16:04 |
lbt | I'm actually a bit concerned about bg processes being started in chroots and stopping umounts | 16:04 |
lbt | it's a bit like uml | 16:04 |
lbt | or qemu | 16:04 |
phaeron | fuser and kill | 16:05 |
Stskeeps | kill all processes underneath process in the tree? | 16:05 |
lbt | they can easily reparent to 1 | 16:05 |
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lbt | lxc is essentially both of those things | 16:05 |
lbt | it's like qemu without the emulation | 16:06 |
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lbt | anyhow... it's on the todo list for after chroot is working well | 16:06 |
lbt | hey phaeron | 16:06 |
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vgrade | Macer, np probs | 16:12 |
phaeron | lbt: hey | 16:12 |
phaeron | food now | 16:12 |
phaeron | lbt: tested img and committed some fixes | 16:13 |
phaeron | will push a new version | 16:13 |
lbt | cool | 16:13 |
phaeron | lbt: about chroot. maybe use pid namespaces (cgroups or something else) | 16:14 |
lbt | *nod* | 16:14 |
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lbt | I think the correct way to handle that is actually lxc - otherwise that's what we end up rewriting I think | 16:16 |
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phaeron | I think kvm is a better idea than lxc | 16:18 |
lbt | why? | 16:19 |
phaeron | brb | 16:20 |
Stskeeps | well, if you really need best protection, a VM is the answer | 16:22 |
Stskeeps | but then there's no sharing /home | 16:22 |
lbt | exactly | 16:22 |
lbt | we're after a bit of isolation and good interoperability | 16:22 |
Aard | why not? plan9fs ;) | 16:22 |
* lbt finds a trout to slap Aard with... | 16:22 | |
lbt | http://virt.kernelnewbies.org/TechComparison | 16:23 |
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lbt | notice architecture support too | 16:25 |
Stskeeps | note to self: pass a bad display manager record to the raspberry pi and it crashes | 16:25 |
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Stskeeps | vgrade: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/x11-hack-libegl | 16:38 |
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lbt | grumble... need to bind mount sdk onto itself ... which is fine ... but when cleaning up the executing script is read from the bound mount so device is busy | 16:54 |
Stskeeps | bind mount sdk onto itself.? | 16:54 |
lbt | yeah | 16:54 |
Stskeeps | why.. | 16:54 |
lbt | it makes it a mountpoint | 16:54 |
Stskeeps | for lxc or? | 16:55 |
lbt | chroot | 16:55 |
lbt | this is mainly so when you have 2 SDK instances | 16:55 |
lbt | the second doesn't contain the first | 16:55 |
lbt | it bind mounts / to parentroot | 16:55 |
lbt | and / contains SDK1 bind-mountpoints | 16:56 |
lbt | so you make /blah/sdk a mountpoint by bind mount to self | 16:56 |
lbt | then restrict it to be non-bindable | 16:56 |
lbt | see the kernel.org doc for details | 16:56 |
lbt | it's messy | 16:56 |
lbt | well, it's messy if you don't do it this way | 16:57 |
lbt | this is just a teeny bit messy | 16:57 |
Stskeeps | just don't do what the meego sdk people did | 16:59 |
Stskeeps | added a rm -rf * or the likes into their script | 16:59 |
Stskeeps | by accident | 16:59 |
lbt | I have 2 rm commands - both act on single named files :) | 17:00 |
lbt | fixed - made it a lazy umount | 17:03 |
lbt | pushed ... | 17:07 |
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simon_arcomivi | hi folks:) | 17:25 |
simon_arcomivi | do you know whether there are gpsd and gypsy RPMs in repos? | 17:26 |
simon_arcomivi | so far I could not find them, but maybe I looked wrong. | 17:27 |
Stskeeps | we don't carry them in mer but should be no problem building them yourself | 17:30 |
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Stskeeps | you can probably grab the source rpms from meego if you want | 17:47 |
simon_arcomivi | Stskeeps: yes that is what I am currently doing ;) How risky is it? | 17:52 |
simon_arcomivi | because i need a couple of RPMs more. | 17:53 |
Stskeeps | do you have a community obs account? | 17:53 |
simon_arcomivi | Mer specific one? no. I had a MeeGo OBS account. | 17:53 |
Stskeeps | if build.pub.meego.com, that can be used to build against mer as well :) | 17:54 |
Stskeeps | see topic | 17:54 |
Stskeeps | hopefully we'll make platform sdk able to build these kind of things too | 17:55 |
simon_arcomivi | :) ok, yes that is the OBS i have/had an account for, havent tried it for some time now. I will check. | 17:56 |
simon_arcomivi | oh, wrong, that was not the Community OBS, but Core OBS. | 18:01 |
simon_arcomivi | So, no I do not have an account there :) | 18:02 |
Stskeeps | hehe, one of the few :) | 18:02 |
Stskeeps | tell lbt your meego.com login | 18:02 |
Stskeeps | what did you maintain on build.meego.com, out of curiousity? | 18:02 |
simon_arcomivi | I was supposed to maintain Navit, but that was short before MeeGo was 'suspended' all of the sudden. | 18:03 |
simon_arcomivi | that is what I am trying to compile now. | 18:03 |
Stskeeps | ah | 18:04 |
simon_arcomivi | Thats why i need gpsd and gypsy and some other RPMS. | 18:04 |
Stskeeps | makes sense | 18:04 |
Stskeeps | navit.. isn't it gtk? | 18:04 |
simon_arcomivi | gtk, qt, qml | 18:04 |
simon_arcomivi | I use Qt | 18:04 |
Stskeeps | ah, ok | 18:04 |
simon_arcomivi | . | 18:04 |
Stskeeps | that's most wise, you would be ripping your hair out quite soon when trying to include gtk :) | 18:04 |
Stskeeps | (we don't contain gtk in mer, but people are using gtk on top of mer) | 18:05 |
simon_arcomivi | I know, actually never used gtk with navit, sincei embedd it in qt anyways. | 18:05 |
simon_arcomivi | so, lbt needs my meego login? | 18:06 |
Stskeeps | yeah, he might be out dancing tango right now though | 18:06 |
simon_arcomivi | i will try, w8 | 18:07 |
Stskeeps | ok, i can understand why people like zypper now | 18:09 |
simon_arcomivi | ok, seems he is not there... i will try later, for now i will include rpms manually to build Navit. | 18:09 |
Stskeeps | i'm on raspberry pi, fetch tar, downloaded and installed in <5 sec | 18:09 |
simon_arcomivi | Yes zypper is very nice! | 18:09 |
simon_arcomivi | how is raspberry actually? Nice hardware? | 18:11 |
Stskeeps | fantastic hardware, nice little board, very capable gfx chip | 18:11 |
simon_arcomivi | I'd love to try it out. | 18:11 |
simon_arcomivi | for now I am testing with D510 board from Intel. | 18:12 |
simon_arcomivi | Mer is working really nice on this as well. | 18:12 |
simon_arcomivi | I cannot wait to try it out in the car. | 18:12 |
Stskeeps | yeah, well, that's part due to intel's good work in hardware adaptations | 18:12 |
simon_arcomivi | As soon as I compiled Navit. | 18:12 |
Stskeeps | i hope we can share mer and tizen hardware adaptations | 18:12 |
simon_arcomivi | Yes I look forward to hear some news from this integration. | 18:13 |
simon_arcomivi | I am missing the transparency in tizen now. | 18:13 |
Stskeeps | yeah.. well, i hope they will do something good, even in secret | 18:14 |
Stskeeps | it's better for open source community tizen lives than that it fails | 18:14 |
simon_arcomivi | that is always true, well, lets see.. ok I gotta go make some food, be back later... | 18:15 |
Stskeeps | see you | 18:15 |
simon_arcomivi | cu | 18:15 |
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Stskeeps | gimli: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/x11-hack-libegl .. insane little hack i did | 18:18 |
Stskeeps | gimli: i can with this run apps built for x11+gles | 18:18 |
gimli | nice | 18:18 |
Stskeeps | with a bit of work you could get window positions too | 18:19 |
gimli | Stskeeps: cool hack anyway. | 18:19 |
Stskeeps | just ran qmlviewer -opengl -fullscreen with it | 18:19 |
Stskeeps | on qt4.8.0 | 18:20 |
gimli | i think more about xbmc on platforms where we would need x11+egl | 18:20 |
Stskeeps | :nod: i don't think i would be able to do this on a .so, was only able to because of there being _static.a files | 18:21 |
Stskeeps | but i might be wrong | 18:22 |
Stskeeps | but yeah, a similar hack may be applicable through LD_PRELOAD | 18:24 |
lbt | simon_arcomivi: done... have fun | 18:25 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: sshd-hostkeys | 18:28 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: there might be a service for this | 18:29 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: yes there is. that works fine. in fact everything works ok | 18:29 |
Stskeeps | oh ok | 18:31 |
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Stskeeps | oh, heh hheh | 18:41 |
Stskeeps | so, i have harmattan qml components running on raspberry pi | 18:44 |
Stskeeps | except i have no mouse to control it with | 18:44 |
_av500_ | you can always echo into /dev/input | 18:45 |
_av500_ | use cat for mouse | 18:45 |
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Stskeeps | hmm, synergy might do the trick | 18:47 |
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ali1234 | synergy doesn't work without X11 | 18:55 |
Stskeeps | i have x11.. | 18:57 |
Stskeeps | :P | 18:57 |
ali1234 | i don't get it... what exactly is this thing you're doing anyway? | 19:01 |
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ali1234 | also, this is how i did something simlar with LD_PRELOAD (and without patching existing libraries) http://pastebin.com/PPL9VuUx | 19:06 |
Stskeeps | ali1234: running unmodified x11 + egl apps on raspberry pi by abusing api semantics | 19:09 |
Stskeeps | else you have to do really bizarre broadcom specific stuff | 19:09 |
ali1234 | but still running them in X11? | 19:10 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 19:10 |
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Stskeeps | X11+GLESv2 + Qt 4.8.0 + Harmattan QML components on Raspberry Pi, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fy63w6WxOw&feature=youtu.be | 20:01 |
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lbt | you'd think running bash under su would be easy.... oh no | 22:20 |
lbt | not if you want to run a specific .bashrc | 22:20 |
lbt | setarch i386 chroot ${sdkroot} su -s /bin/bash -l $user -- -c "exec bash --init-file /mer-bash-setup -i" | 22:20 |
lbt | what mer-bash-setup does is emulate the normal .profile reading behaviour but a) pre-sets export MERSDK=1 and b) runs ~/.mersdk.profile if present | 22:23 |
lbt | so PS1 is now possible :) | 22:23 |
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