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| ZiQiangHuan | Maybe playbin2 is better than playbin for me. Playbin2 can detect my sink element automatically but playbin can not. | 02:10 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: actually it was opposite, add zypper.. | 05:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:40 |
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| timoph | iekku: next friday to klubi? | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 05:46 |
| timoph | morn | 05:46 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: playbin2 is always better anyways | 05:55 |
| Stskeeps | http://laszlopandy.com/blog_files/opportunistic-developer-gstreamer.pdf might be useful | 05:55 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes. playbin2 is suggested by gstreamer | 05:56 |
| Stskeeps | have you been able to decode anything with hardware yet? just curious | 05:57 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes. mpeg4 video stream | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | oh congratulations :) | 05:58 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: But I just make a simple plugin, and it's so simple that I can just test it by gst-launch | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | it's a start | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind that apps also use similar methods as gst-launch does | 05:59 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Because I'm not familar with Hisiv's codec, so I make a sink element that contains decode and sink elements. | 06:01 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, i'm not very knowledged about gstreamer sadly :) | 06:03 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: that's Ok. Writing a plugin is not a easy thing for me . So I'll try to understand it and test my knowledge with it. | 06:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and you're gaining knowledge how to write gstreamer plugins - not many people have that in the world :) | 06:07 |
| dcthang | ZiQiangHuan: you can refer qt-mobility how to use gstreamer as backend | 06:09 |
| ZiQiangHuan | dcthang: I just downloaded the qt-mobility source code several hours ago. I found it use playbin2 or playbin | 06:11 |
| dcthang | yep, that's good for refer how the plugin can be written with qt | 06:12 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | dcthang: yes. I'll see the code then. thanks | 06:15 |
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| iekku | timoph, i'd like to, but not sure if i can can | 07:25 |
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| timoph | iekku: me & niina are most likely going | 07:42 |
| iekku | timoph, need to talk to wife about that, he wasn't so eager and since we don't have lots of time together in march i'm not sure if i want to go alone | 07:43 |
| iekku | need to ask him to have band things in that day or something :P | 07:44 |
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| timoph | iekku: :) | 07:53 |
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| iekku | tammerfist is going to germany to play in 2 weeks and later in the march to kuopio | 07:54 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/23/lumus-oe-31-optical-engine-turns-motorcycle-helmets-other-eyew/ <- want | 07:58 |
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| Venemo_N950 | good morning :) | 08:00 |
| dm8tbr | hehe, nice | 08:02 |
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| phaeron | morning | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | morn phaeron o/ | 08:27 |
| phaeron | sorry I wasn't around yesterday :( | 08:27 |
| phaeron | lbt: ping | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah, it's fine - we're flexible with our own time and if you need to wander off, then do so :) | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | we're putting our best efforts in and 'best' means "have to go to dentist at times, eat, play with kid" ;) | 08:29 |
| phaeron | thanks | 08:29 |
| phaeron | so I am almost done with imager, and will check to see if lbt has any issues with it | 08:29 |
| phaeron | then start working on obs copy project | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | i'm parsing the cross compile dependency mails on opensuse build service mailing list and how to respond to them | 08:30 |
| phaeron | the "debtree" like functionality ? | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | no, the ones from b1-systems.de/daniel gollub | 08:31 |
| phaeron | will read | 08:32 |
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| Stskeeps | the good news is they're doing some of the hard work that i would have needed for my toolchain-core split | 08:34 |
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| phaeron | beauty of opensource | 08:42 |
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| niqt | morning | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | morn niqt | 08:59 |
| niqt | can we think of a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDr-vp4yBUw with Mer? | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't be too difficult, it's just effort | 09:01 |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: in fact the fix was to add zypper, not remove rpm | 09:04 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: oddly zypper was fine when I removed the 2 rpm refs | 09:04 |
| lbt | right | 09:04 |
| lbt | so long as they're the same? | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | as long as they're from the same architecture yes | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | rpm --rebuilddb may be needed | 09:04 |
| lbt | *nod* ... OK, I guess you have a fixedup ruleset? | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | was just a oneliner | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | didn't patch it anywhere, hence why i'm telling you | 09:05 |
| lbt | OK, I'll do that then | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | it might not be good to have in obs-* but in a sdk-* kind of thing instead maybe | 09:06 |
| lbt | *nod* | 09:06 |
| lbt | maybe we need /etc/sb2-modes/ too | 09:07 |
| lbt | morning phaeron o/ | 09:08 |
| lbt | oh Stskeeps ... did you see the i586 issue when installing cross-* into an i486 sdk ? | 09:09 |
| lbt | I guess http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.0.1/builds/mipsel/packages/i586/ is OK and http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.0.1/builds/mipsel/packages/i486/ is missing :) | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | no, but that's first going to be fixed in next-next | 09:09 |
| lbt | so no 486 sb2 sdk until then | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | because of the switchover to _i486 | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | right | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | initial work is ok though | 09:10 |
| lbt | I'm .... worried? ... about the complexity of the nesting mixed in with mount -bind | 09:11 |
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| Stskeeps | sb2 doesn't do any chroot, mount --bind | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | or mount /proc | 09:11 |
| lbt | so symlink is OK | 09:11 |
| lbt | hmm | 09:11 |
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| Stskeeps | hello jackylau | 09:12 |
| jackylau | Stskeeps: hello | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | jackylau: welcome :) what brings you here to #mer ? | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i have to spend some time on sb2 today it seems to aid upstreaming | 09:13 |
| lbt | if I'm in /home/me/src/pkg/ with hello.c and I run an sb2 - -tarmv7l gcc hello.c .... will that look in /mer/sb2sdk/armv7l-root/ for stuff? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yes | 09:13 |
| jackylau | Stskeeps: I want to know how to build mer for armv5 or mips | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | jackylau: Mer already exists for MIPS32 (O32 ABI), at least | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | jackylau: armv5 we haven't attempted a port yet but if you are interested in helping to fix compile errors I can start a build | 09:14 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK - so /mer/sb2sdk/armv7l-root/home/me/src doesn't need to exist? ... it will ignore /usr/include and use /,,root/usr/include ? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: correct | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: it diverts /home to 'host' home | 09:15 |
| lbt | ok - thanks - just verifying | 09:15 |
| lbt | ah - so /home is special | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | there's various ways to approach it | 09:15 |
| * lbt uses /mer for src so would need a special rule? | 09:16 | |
| jackylau | Stskeeps: I want to know how can I do it myself. Are there any documents? | 09:16 |
| lbt | jackylau: it depends what your goal is | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | jackylau: so, just for good measure: Mer is a binary package distribution, we build all packages into .rpm files, so in most cases you will want to re-use the pre-built rpms | 09:16 |
| lbt | what's your interest in mer? it may help us help you :) | 09:17 |
| jackylau | lbt: for learning :) | 09:17 |
| lbt | OK - so ... learning to code? | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | jackylau: if i were you i would start by trying to make Mer images (with pre-built rpms) and then go from there | 09:17 |
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| jackylau | lbt: I want to learn how Mer was built | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | jackylau: make an account on https://webui-ci.tspre.org and look around in "All projects" | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | in Core:* projects there's a lot to look at | 09:19 |
| lbt | OK - are you working for a company looking to make a product? | 09:19 |
| jackylau | Stskeeps: thanks | 09:19 |
| jackylau | lbt: yes | 09:19 |
| aldeba | that link seems to be down | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | ah, damn | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | http://webui-ci.tspre.org | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | that url may change over time | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | jackylau: i can help with your questions if you in return promise to help write documentation on the Mer wiki, wiki.merproject.org | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | that can also be teaching materials to others | 09:20 |
| lbt | jackylau: cool - it makes a difference because you'll be interested in how the process works and what part of this is supposed to be replicated internally etc | 09:20 |
| jackylau | Stskeeps: I want to help, but my english is poor :( | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | jackylau: i haven't found a single flaw in your english so far | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | jackylau: so it's fine | 09:21 |
| jackylau | Stskeeps: :) | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | and even then, we'll help review the documentation anyway | 09:21 |
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| jackylau | Stskeeps: I'll try, but I wouldn't promises anything :) | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | yep, just take a look around at those projects first and then ask some questions | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | is a good place to start | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | jackylau: it is entirely possible for you and your company to build their Mer rpm packages, we have documentation on that | 09:26 |
| * alterego tries his exo image. | 09:26 | |
| jackylau | Stskeeps: thanks | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | jackylau: out of curiousity, got any MIPS hardware you can try Mer on? | 09:28 |
| jackylau | Stskeeps: no, we employ an arm a8 soc, we want to find out which build method is fit for our project | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 09:31 |
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| alterego | So the SDK image doesn't come with ext fs tools. | 09:31 |
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| lbt | alterego: no, it comes with zypper though :) | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | jackylau: we provide ARMv7 (works for arm cortex-a8) rpms | 09:31 |
| alterego | Which doesn't seem to want to work. | 09:31 |
| lbt | alterego: which sdk image | 09:31 |
| lbt | and what bug? | 09:32 |
| lbt | it may need an rpm --rebuilddb | 09:32 |
| alterego | I think I'm lacking repositories. | 09:32 |
| alterego | Actually, seems to be fine. | 09:33 |
| jackylau | Stskeeps: yes, i know. maybe we will just build a image for our target by the prebuilt rpms only, :) | 09:33 |
| alterego | But they're not refreshed. | 09:33 |
| lbt | jackylau: you have the option to start out that way, then if you decide you want to build your own, you can | 09:33 |
| lbt | jackylau: we aim to make the evaluation of Mer easy | 09:33 |
| lbt | jackylau: and to permit you to scale up to full production | 09:34 |
| alterego | Well, apparently it's mer-release file says 0.2011 | 09:34 |
| lbt | jackylau: FYI, a lot of the build systems design came from inside Nokia - so we know a bit about scaling up | 09:34 |
| alterego | I'm being an idiot. | 09:35 |
| alterego | It's extlinux that's not installed not ext tools. | 09:35 |
| lbt | hehe :) | 09:35 |
| jackylau | lbt: we review yocto, but it's more complex | 09:35 |
| lbt | jackylau: yes, we found that too | 09:35 |
| lbt | jackylau: we want to make it a lot easier both to evaluate, and for developers to work on as you grow | 09:35 |
| lbt | alterego: you making mic images? | 09:36 |
| alterego | Yes | 09:36 |
| lbt | don't use raw | 09:36 |
| alterego | Trying to make a raw image for the exo | 09:36 |
| alterego | Oh ... | 09:36 |
| lbt | use fs for now | 09:36 |
| alterego | ;) | 09:36 |
| jackylau | lbt: yes, i think so | 09:36 |
| alterego | Okay, fs worked fine, guess I'll manually make the image then. | 09:37 |
| lbt | alterego: that's something we need to fix ... one thing at a time :) | 09:37 |
| lbt | jackylau: no matter what you decide I'm very interested to know your thinking | 09:37 |
| lbt | jackylau: I'm the 'vendor relations' guy .... which is actually not a typical 'sales' role - but more about making sure we think about vendors needs when we design release processes etc | 09:38 |
| lbt | jackylau: which is why I need your feedback - to make sure we act on it | 09:39 |
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| jackylau | lbt: If there is a web app for image custom, it will lower the learning threshold. :) | 09:47 |
| lbt | hehe | 09:47 |
| lbt | as it happens | 09:47 |
| lbt | we have a service called IMG | 09:47 |
| lbt | developed for Nokia/MeeGo | 09:47 |
| jackylau | lbt: not for public? | 09:48 |
| lbt | oh yes | 09:48 |
| lbt | http://autodoc.meego.com/mint/imager/ | 09:48 |
| lbt | but explains why the URL is meego.com still | 09:48 |
| lbt | (my team wrote it) | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think some screenshots would help.. | 09:48 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/IMG | 09:49 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes, I think you're right | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | jackylau: so, we don't have a public image creator, but it's very easy to download a platform SDK and get started making images | 09:49 |
| lbt | yes, good point | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | we do have a web app thing called IMG that can do same for making images, so you can install on a server, connect by browser, give it a image and it can build | 09:50 |
| lbt | jackylau: is that what you meant by a web app ? | 09:50 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, i wonder where openembedded's image builder service went | 09:51 |
| jackylau | lbt: awesome | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: check the competition, http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/ | 09:53 |
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| lbt | jackylau: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/6779192378/ | 09:55 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes, that also builds the ks I guess | 09:57 |
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| jackylau | lbt: I think it's better to write a document to describe each step of workflow for the vendor, like how to use the prebuilt repository, how to build a inter repository, how to setup a project (for specially soc), how to custom a image, etc | 09:59 |
| lbt | jackylau: yes, we do do that | 10:00 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK for example is how to install the SDK and build an image | 10:01 |
| lbt | jackylau: then we have things like this page: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Image | 10:02 |
| alterego | Is extlinux the write way to boot mer on an exo? | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: right | 10:03 |
| alterego | s/write/right/ ;) | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | -f livecd | 10:03 |
| alterego | Cool | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | or -f liveusb | 10:03 |
| alterego | Wait, it's livecd now? :P | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | liveusb probably better | 10:03 |
| alterego | Seems to be broken as well. | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | define broken | 10:04 |
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| alterego | "Failed to find package 'syslinux' : No package(s) available to install | 10:05 |
| lbt | jackylau: I'm also writing some material called "A day in the life of a vendor" ... that explains what happens on a daily/weekly/release-cycle basis | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: did you add a x86 adaptation repo, like nemo's? | 10:05 |
| jackylau | lbt: thanks, i'll read it. :) | 10:05 |
| lbt | jackylau: eg how to download and apply a new Mer release | 10:05 |
| lbt | jackylau: hehe.... Mer is however, quite new, so a lot of this material comes 'on demand' | 10:06 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: nope, :) | 10:06 |
| jackylau | lbt: :) | 10:06 |
| lbt | jackylau: right now the platform SDK is my priority ... but if you really need this to make a decision about using Mer then we can spend some time with you | 10:06 |
| lbt | jackylau: hopefully we can answer specific questions with existing documentation | 10:07 |
| lbt | this page http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:About is really important (IMHO) | 10:07 |
| lbt | hmmm so I should edit the Main Page and put it there :D | 10:08 |
| jackylau | lbt: I want to have a try first. thanks for your kindness. | 10:10 |
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| lbt | jackylau: np - http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK is hopefully the place to start - but beware it's *really* new code so please yell if you hit any issues | 10:11 |
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| jackylau | lbt: Well, I will. :) | 10:12 |
| alterego | Finally, managing to build a exo minimal image :) | 10:18 |
| lbt | alterego: neat - I need to do that for mine - wiki page? | 10:20 |
| alterego | Well, it just failed: "Error <creator>: Failed to compress image /var/tmp/mic/imgcreate-lg575z/out/mer-core/i586-connectivity-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.img with bz2" | 10:21 |
| alterego | Helpful message. | 10:21 |
| * alterego tries without compression | 10:21 | |
| lbt | disk space? | 10:21 |
| alterego | 5% utilisation :P | 10:22 |
| lbt | and I guess it's not a teeny disk :) | 10:22 |
| alterego | Heh, no not particularly. It's a 4TB NAS | 10:22 |
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| lbt | heck ... you could fit a Tizen core on that! | 10:23 |
| lbt | just | 10:23 |
| alterego | :) | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: bzip2 installed | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 10:25 |
| alterego | Finished fine with liveusb and no compression | 10:28 |
| alterego | It's installed in the SDK chroot | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 10:28 |
| * alterego burns image to sd | 10:30 | |
| alterego | Do we have a wiki page that describes how to make various images? | 10:30 |
| lbt | alterego: no | 10:30 |
| alterego | Do want :P | 10:30 |
| * alterego creates | 10:30 | |
| lbt | I think it wold be useful | 10:30 |
| lbt | do try to link more than you type though | 10:31 |
| lbt | oh, and hows the migration coming along? | 10:31 |
| alterego | I was going to do that this afternoon. | 10:31 |
| alterego | Or this weekend, either way, hopefully done for monday. | 10:31 |
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| alterego | It'd be nice if we had a central place for "official" .ks files too. | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | ideally we'll have a way to add kickstarter descriptions for each hw adaptation | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | so you take one from mer, one from hardware adaptation, one from ui | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | and mix them together to a .ks | 10:33 |
| alterego | I might toy with hacking together an interface to the sdk chroot | 10:33 |
| lbt | alterego: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=00sdk.yaml&package=sdk-kickstarter-configs&project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting&rev=a3478e4d71440ec29a86075ec51b3739 | 10:33 |
| alterego | Maybe a RoR based web interface that can use the chroot to build images. | 10:33 |
| lbt | mmm | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: that'd imply distribution and not always a good thing | 10:34 |
| lbt | we have IMG already? | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, we have a service like that | 10:34 |
| lbt | alterego: I have plenty of ideas for RoR stuff | 10:34 |
| lbt | we are *desperate* for BOSS ui | 10:34 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: how do you mean? | 10:34 |
| alterego | lbt: well, if you want it. I don't mind having a look at that instead for my weekend project. | 10:35 |
| lbt | alterego: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/6779192378/ | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: as in it costs to pass around 400+ mb images and sometimes you might not have redistributable stuff in the images | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: either way, look at that 00sdk.yaml , that could easily be made into a custom .yaml that makes specific images | 10:35 |
| lbt | alterego: that's a django app FYI | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | ie, lego block style putting images togethr | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | r | 10:35 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: well, the interface would run locally on the SDK host. | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | ie, | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | Configurations: | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | Name: mer-minimal-exopc | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | Inherit: | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | - Mer Core System | 10:36 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: well, that's sort of what I was thinking. | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | - Generic X86 architecture | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | - ExoPC adaptation | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | kind of stuff | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | that's what it's for | 10:36 |
| lbt | if you did that I'd really rather it was part of IMG | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: command line interface to img would be nice | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | from sdk | 10:37 |
| lbt | and incidentally, the yaml/kickstarer is in python which should import into a django app | 10:37 |
| eocanha | I see that the fakeobs scripts do some magic to get the packages from Mer:Core, but as I understand, Mer:Core isn't enough to get a functional image (eg: it doesn't have a "kernel" package), so additional projects, such as CE:Adaptation:x86-generic would be needed, and probably also Nemo or other flavours if I want a full UX (which by the moment I don't want) | 10:37 |
| lbt | whereas boss is ruby and so is OBS fe ... so a BOSS plugin to OBS fe and a RoR BOSS extension .... that'd be cool | 10:37 |
| alterego | eocanha: that's out of choice yes :) | 10:38 |
| eocanha | Are there similar config/scripts to the ones in fakeobs to cache CE:Adaptation:x86-generic and other projects too? | 10:38 |
| lbt | alterego: so I have reasons for pushing you that way :D | 10:38 |
| alterego | :) | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: we're hoping to get to this point as well, where you can lego blocks like put things together | 10:38 |
| alterego | lbt: do we have any documentation for BOSS ? | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: you can use the repos from repo.pub.meego.com for now though | 10:38 |
| lbt | alterego: oh yes | 10:39 |
| lbt | http://ruote.rubyforge.org/ | 10:39 |
| lbt | alterego: this stuff is seriously cool :) | 10:39 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: it should be possible to use osc linkpac to get a locale copy of the different pub.meego.com repo's right ? | 10:39 |
| lbt | I should introduce you to john (upstream dev) too | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: yeah, but obs linking is nasty.. | 10:40 |
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| lbt | alterego: also https://github.com/kennethkalmer/ruote-kit | 10:40 |
| lbt | which is sinatra | 10:40 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: nasty how ? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: as in you're screwed if build.pub.meego.com goes down | 10:41 |
| lbt | alterego: https://github.com/tosch/ruote-on-rails | 10:41 |
| alterego | lbt: looks like a lot of research I need to do then ;) | 10:41 |
| slaine | Yeah, hence using the copy feature. | 10:41 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Installation | 10:41 |
| eocanha | I wanted to avoid the availability problems of pub.meego.com, that's why I stopped trying Meego and started trying Mer | 10:41 |
| lbt | alterego: yeah - but it's surprisingly rational | 10:41 |
| slaine | eocanha: I'm coming at it from the same pov | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | eocanha: yeah, you can just copy in the source packages onto your own obs | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | we'll have a better method eventually | 10:42 |
| lbt | alterego: and you'll storm through it since you know ruby | 10:42 |
| lbt | alterego: this is a live view of our boss processes ... dig the gui!!! | 10:42 |
| lbt | http://autodoc.meego.com/boss/ | 10:42 |
| eocanha | hmmm... copying the source package sounds good | 10:42 |
| alterego | :) | 10:43 |
| lbt | alterego: it gets better - drilldown into projects .... http://autodoc.meego.com/boss/processes/ | 10:43 |
| slaine | Something like "osc linkpac -C copy " should work right Stskeeps ? | 10:43 |
| slaine | That's what my script does to pull fakeOBS into my OBS | 10:43 |
| lbt | alterego: hence the serious need for some tlc here | 10:43 |
| lbt | phaeron: I'm trying to get alterego hooked on BOSS and ruote^^^ .... be nice to him !! | 10:44 |
| alterego | Heh | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: osc copypac would be better | 10:45 |
| slaine | hehe | 10:45 |
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| alterego | lbt: well, if you could come up with a draft spec of what you'd like. I'll have a look in to knocking something up. | 10:48 |
| lbt | alterego: sure | 10:49 |
| alterego | Why does it say "Boot Tizen" on my boot loader O_O | 10:49 |
| lbt | alterego: we'll need to get Sage_ involved too - he actually uses this stuff - maybe X-Fade too | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: bad conf | 10:50 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: we share image creator with tizen, good NIH | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | not NIH, i mean | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:50 |
| alterego | Heh | 10:51 |
| alterego | Am I right in thinking that these .ks files: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/kickstarts/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks | 10:53 |
| alterego | Don't actually boot in to qml-viewer because they don't have the .desktop entry? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | you're right | 10:53 |
| alterego | Is that intentional? | 10:54 |
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| Stskeeps | no, fault on my side | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | it sounds like a good kickstarter feature thoug | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | h | 10:55 |
| alterego | Like "Select UX?" :P | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | ish, yeah | 10:55 |
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| alterego | Hrm, maybe we should think about mes-mer-ising the extlinux configuration file. | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: you can adjust mic.conf to not say tizen | 11:06 |
| alterego | I don't like seeing Tizen when booting :P | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | it should probably be default | 11:06 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Not in our SDK ;) | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | please to file a bug | 11:07 |
| alterego | I'll come up with a patch and then file a big. | 11:07 |
| alterego | ~bug | 11:07 |
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| Sage_ | lbt, Stskeeps, alterego: the default value for distro name in mic is tizen but it is just configuration thing in /etc/mic/mic.conf | 11:18 |
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| * lbt has packaging to hand | 11:20 | |
| Stskeeps | mic should have a --productname thing.. | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | think "Boot Nemo" | 11:21 |
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| lbt | phaeron: so... build_image | 11:24 |
| phaeron | lbt: so all the stuff needed to boot the kvm off an lv is in it | 11:25 |
| lbt | and kvm can run as a user | 11:25 |
| lbt | but we need to do lvm stuff as root | 11:25 |
| phaeron | lbt: but it will need to sudo because build_image runs as user | 11:25 |
| lbt | ? | 11:25 |
| phaeron | lbt: yes kvm as user works fine | 11:25 |
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| lbt | I think if it runs as root to prepare the lv and then sudo to a user to run the rest ... that sounds OK | 11:26 |
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| phaeron | dropping privileges is tricky and it will need to setup lv for every job run | 11:27 |
| phaeron | so the other way is easier | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | what's the lv part, out of curiousity/ | 11:27 |
| phaeron | and already used when running without kvm | 11:27 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: imager the service wrapper around mic2 (and now mic) runs as a user. it can run mic using sudo , or run it inside a kvm | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:29 |
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| phaeron | the kvm used to be a qcow2 or raw image , but setting it up is a bit tricky | 11:30 |
| phaeron | so lvm can make it asier | 11:30 |
| phaeron | easier | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:30 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: well there are more things like that so IMO config is better solution for it | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | or kickstart? | 11:43 |
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| lbt | mic updated to say distro_name = MerDevice | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Mer, please | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | hi sledges | 11:51 |
| sledges | Czesc! Stskeeps | 11:51 |
| lbt | it's the default config for mic... so when a vendor installs it - they aren't building Mer | 11:51 |
| lbt | when I build an SDK | 11:51 |
| lbt | I should change it | 11:51 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, great news! boss put me on bench time and told to learn something useful; guess what i'll do lol | 11:52 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes? | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: reddit.com/r/todayilearned ? | 11:52 |
| sledges | Stskeeps: merproject.org ;) | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: ah, that thing ;) | 11:52 |
| lbt | sledges: nice | 11:52 |
| sledges | finally | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: MerDevice just looks stupid in demos.. so some other name/working | 11:53 |
| lbt | "booting MerDevice" | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | and no, it can't be iMer, either | 11:53 |
| sledges | guys, silly question: what's the apt-get update + upgrade equivalent in mer? | 11:53 |
| lbt | sledges: zypper up | 11:54 |
| * sledges lols | 11:54 | |
| lbt | sledges: zypper ref for update | 11:54 |
| sledges | guess i'll go and zip up then :) | 11:54 |
| lbt | zypper search is also quite useful since rpm has yet to invent aptitude | 11:54 |
| lbt | they'll catch up one day ... maybe | 11:54 |
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| sledges | hm | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: "Boot image"? | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:55 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: seriously ... MerDevice is that bad? | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i don't like it, it's Mer or <vendor name> | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | or <product name> | 11:56 |
| * lbt changes it back to Tizen | 11:56 | |
| Stskeeps | and not Tizen | 11:57 |
| sledges | it says: Repo 'openSUSE:11.3:Update' appears to be outdated | 11:57 |
| sledges | i used VMWare approach (hence documented by myself..): http://wiki.merproject.org/index.php?title=Mer_Delivery_System&oldid=874 | 11:57 |
| sledges | i see lbt you scraped that all :) | 11:57 |
| lbt | sledges: reorganised it mainly | 11:58 |
| sledges | ok, so i have obs-server.i686 running, zypper up says: Repo 'openSUSE:11.3:Update' appears to be outdated. Consider using a different mirror or server.\n Reading installed packages\n Nothing to do. | 11:59 |
| lbt | oh, the vm bit - yeah, we need to break out tutorial style things from reference things | 12:00 |
| sledges | I have ~/prj/fakeobs:Core,i586 | 12:00 |
| sledges | s/,/:/ | 12:00 |
| lbt | tutorials are too often a set of notes for a specific install that aren't maintainable | 12:00 |
| sledges | ok | 12:00 |
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| lbt | also 11.3 is deprecated now | 12:01 |
| sledges | I should get back my head around Mer, three months passed, many things changed | 12:01 |
| lbt | so we don't build for it | 12:01 |
| sledges | there ya go :) | 12:01 |
| lbt | suse only supports for 12 months I think | 12:02 |
| sledges | which vm should i choose then | 12:05 |
| alterego | Do we have hardware graphics accel for exo? | 12:05 |
| alterego | And how would I enable it in my .ks ? | 12:05 |
| sledges | alterego, add libGLES*.so.* | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: are you using the Intel hw adaptation package groups? | 12:06 |
| sledges | (if we have any :)) | 12:06 |
| alterego | Probably not ;) | 12:06 |
| alterego | Because I'm still getting the multi-touch segfault ;) | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | duh | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:07 |
| alterego | Well, do we have a working exo .ks somewhere? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | nemo's x86 one | 12:09 |
| alterego | I've just based mine on the connectivity mer one and the nemo i586 one | 12:09 |
| alterego | So it's the "Intel x86 Generic Support" group? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | right | 12:10 |
| * alterego has another go ;) | 12:10 | |
| Stskeeps | in other news, http://www.extremetech.com/computing/119571-mozilla-partners-up-with-lg-to-combat-apple-and-google-with-its-own-device | 12:11 |
| alterego | Cool | 12:11 |
| alterego | That'll probably be quite open then .. | 12:12 |
| alterego | Looks somewhat like MeeGo ... | 12:12 |
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| alterego | It even sounds like what MeeGo was trying to achieve, but with Gecko as the UI/HMTL5 as the toolkit. Somewhat Tizen-esque .. | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | it's a tizen contender, for sure | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least i was right, war of the runtimes instead | 12:14 |
| alterego | Yeah | 12:15 |
| alterego | Very interesting. | 12:15 |
| slaine | I've not seen anything about their stack | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: the dirty secret is that it's bionic-android-based | 12:16 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:16 |
| alterego | Seems a bit silly, they should use mer | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | which is why i haven't dismissed their work | 12:16 |
| slaine | Ewwww | 12:16 |
| slaine | that's icky | 12:16 |
| alterego | Well, when something is released, we should get it running on Mer ;) | 12:16 |
| alterego | I guess it'll be pretty damn easy. | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind that these guys have a foothold on a lot of different devices possible, by re-using android hardware adaptation.. | 12:17 |
| slaine | So what they've taken Android, and put Xulrunner on there | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | so don't dismiss them out of hand | 12:17 |
| alterego | Not sure they need XUL Runner as such. | 12:17 |
| alterego | But obviously there's no getting around it being there. | 12:18 |
| slaine | Well, I'd imagine that' what's wrapping the Gecko part | 12:18 |
| alterego | Even microb had XUL in there somewhere. | 12:18 |
| alterego | Gecko is the XUL runtime ::P | 12:18 |
| slaine | yup | 12:18 |
| * slaine maintains a GtkMozEmbed browser | 12:18 | |
| alterego | But I doubt they'll be using XUL as the platform. | 12:18 |
| alterego | They'll be using HTML5. | 12:19 |
| alterego | Possibly XUL for the core apps, but even that seems a bit redundant. | 12:19 |
| slaine | yeah | 12:19 |
| slaine | good point | 12:19 |
| vgrade | but with bionic they get to reuse andriod drivers, nice | 12:20 |
| alterego | I guess their adaptations may be easier than ours ;) | 12:20 |
| * Stskeeps points to core-toolchain split idea | 12:20 | |
| vgrade | yes | 12:21 |
| alterego | Wow, my girlfriend just saw the QML Viewer start up on my exo, and read it correctly. She said "That's really cute Tom" | 12:21 |
| alterego | lolz | 12:21 |
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| alterego | And no multitouch segfault :D | 12:21 |
| alterego | schweeeet. | 12:21 |
| alterego | And the power button shuts it down correctly. | 12:21 |
| vgrade | nice log file http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/deploy/omap4430-panda/dcba5c/random-aa226079-image-manifest.html | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | a manifest, not a bad idea | 12:22 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: do you think we'll get adding x86_64 support anytime soon? | 12:23 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: maybe with core-toolchain split | 12:23 |
| alterego | Anyway, I'm happy with getting my exo running this basic image. Next will be getting back in to adapting Grande to the tablet form factor. | 12:24 |
| alterego | But first, Lunch. | 12:24 |
| alterego | bbiab | 12:24 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: so... the current situation wrt sb2 SDK is that we need an atom-based desktop to use it - correct? | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:48 |
| lbt | and eta for fixing that? | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | and that'll be fixed after we have 0209.1 out the door | 12:49 |
| lbt | OK | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | it has the potential of impacting release ability, so | 12:50 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3445148 | 12:51 |
| lbt | is what I was getting from a 486 approach for an sb2 sdk that supports any arch | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | why the double scratchbox2? | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, we'd have /cross/ instead as a repo | 12:52 |
| lbt | yep - both issues noted down | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:52 |
| lbt | I think kickstarter should be more 'require' than 'include' | 12:52 |
| lbt | since when I put a grouping in that says "MIPS sb2" | 12:52 |
| lbt | I clearly need SB2 | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | i don't mind inheritance if we can pull it off | 12:53 |
| lbt | yes | 12:53 |
| lbt | but I don't want it to have to be purist | 12:53 |
| lbt | the intention is DWIM | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | DWIM? | 12:53 |
| lbt | Do What I Mean | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:54 |
| lbt | so inheritance is an aid to constructing products, not an exercise in OO configuration | 12:54 |
| Bostik | hear, hear! | 12:55 |
| lbt | so here's the yaml at the moment http://pastie.org/3445195 | 12:56 |
| lbt | Bostik: :) | 12:56 |
| phaeron | lbt: vmlinuz is not a symlink to the correct kernel , it is a copy | 13:02 |
| * lbt attempts to extract meaning | 13:03 | |
| lbt | bug report? | 13:03 |
| phaeron | ok | 13:03 |
| lbt | because it is a symlink? or because it isn't? | 13:03 |
| lbt | :D | 13:04 |
| lbt | moments ago I posted in #nemomobile about my kernel packaging ... I take it this is unrelated - but my brain got confused | 13:04 |
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| phaeron | lbt: rephrase: using your kernel packaging , there is a bug where vmlinuz is _not_ a symlink to the kernel file, it is a full copy | 13:09 |
| phaeron | not fatal , just wasted space in the image | 13:09 |
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| lbt | OK - thanks | 13:11 |
| lbt | I need to get that up somewhere | 13:11 |
| phaeron | I noticed it when writing docs on how to generate the kvm image for img | 13:12 |
| lbt | we have mer-core mer-tools so mer-reference maybe <-- Stskeeps? for things we expect vendors to copy+hack ... not much in there | 13:12 |
| lbt | tbh I noticed it when I did it but had bigger problems at the time - I have large disks :) | 13:12 |
| lbt | now of course it's not 'published' | 13:13 |
| lbt | so logging a bug is a pita | 13:13 |
| lbt | I suggest Mer Vendor Interface? | 13:13 |
| phaeron | is that for me or Stskeeps ? | 13:13 |
| lbt | for you | 13:13 |
| lbt | unless you have a patch already | 13:13 |
| phaeron | no I don't | 13:15 |
| phaeron | just wrapping up the docs though | 13:15 |
| lbt | bug is fine - just so we don't forget | 13:17 |
| * lbt waits for alterego's exopc docs too - would like to see mer on it | 13:17 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: did you try nemo on exo yet? | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:17 |
| lbt | no | 13:17 |
| lbt | I use that on n95 | 13:18 |
| lbt | 0 | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok, you should try the .img | 13:18 |
| lbt | OK - will do | 13:18 |
| Sage_ | mdfe_: ping peregrine :) | 13:36 |
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| sledges | smoku, you have removed your http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/smoku:/Mer%3a/HA%3a/iMX/ :( | 14:39 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage_: hi | 14:46 |
| mdfe_ | Sage_: http://download.peregrine-communicator.org/debian_packages/ | 14:46 |
| * alterego customises a screenrc file for mer platform sdk stuff | 14:48 | |
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| ali1234 | http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?p=235143&sid=9440fa468439440426fb1d92e5e291f6#p235143 | 14:56 |
| ali1234 | lolz | 14:56 |
| ali1234 | so ASDA is selling the archos 28 for £29.99 | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that looks like an old post | 14:56 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: yes it is, very old | 14:57 |
| ali1234 | but amusing | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | back to the future.. | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:57 |
| ali1234 | anyway i'm just going to go out to try to buy one | 14:57 |
| ali1234 | and i found that post while researching it | 14:58 |
| alterego | In the past two days, I've accidentially done: . ~/.bash_history | 15:02 |
| alterego | twice | 15:02 |
| * alterego feels like a newb | 15:02 | |
| Stskeeps | wtf | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:03 |
| alterego | It's muscle memory f'ing up. | 15:03 |
| alterego | I meant to type: . ~/.bash_aliases | 15:03 |
| alterego | But I quite often do things like: grep osc ~/.bash_history | 15:04 |
| alterego | So when ever I start doing ~/.bash_ I think my hands just do whatever they want to do and my brain is too half-dead to say otherwise :D | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | you do know ctrl-r, right | 15:05 |
| alterego | *cough* no? *cough* :P | 15:07 |
| alterego | Well isn't that handy .. | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | i saw someone doing it once and tried to figure out for a year what it was | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:07 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:07 |
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| w00t | I showed someone the magic of ctrl+r when I was in helsinki this january | 15:08 |
| w00t | because it got too painful to watch him type out a long command repeatedly while I was watching over his shoulder | 15:08 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:08 |
| alterego | How does it actually work then? | 15:08 |
| leinir | it's just an incremental search backwards through bash history :) | 15:09 |
| leinir | super-useful :) | 15:09 |
| alterego | Just noticed something that may be a bug. | 15:10 |
| alterego | Because the mer platform sdk mounts your home | 15:10 |
| alterego | It uses the same ~/.bash_history .. | 15:11 |
| sledges | fellows, any ideas why smoku removed all iMX HA stuff (including GLES, xorg-driver-imx)? IP? NDA? :( | 15:11 |
| alterego | I suppose it's not exactly a bug, and I want to move away from using my home directory and just mount a projects dir | 15:11 |
| alterego | But not sure if it's something that may need to be fixed. | 15:12 |
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| Stskeeps | sledges: maybe it's in https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Asmoku%3AMer%3AHA instead now | 15:13 |
| sledges | na, there we are, google hasn't indexed that yet :) thank you! any explanations for transition? | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | not sure | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | though i don't see a imx driver there | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | for xorg | 15:14 |
| sledges | that one i'll build from sources | 15:16 |
| sledges | but libamdgpu are the GLES bits for iMX | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | REMINDER: Platform SDK status/planning meeting in less than an hour at 16:00 UTC in #mer-meeting | 15:17 |
| Sage_ | :( can't make it | 15:19 |
| alterego | I'll turn up for once and take Sage's place ;) | 15:19 |
| Sage_ | Friday 15-20 UTC isn't very good time for me | 15:19 |
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| Stskeeps | REMINDER: Platform SDK status/planning meeting in 9 minutes in #mer-meeting | 15:51 |
| timoph | 'lo | 15:59 |
| * timoph just made it | 15:59 | |
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| * Stskeeps celebrates as eglibc 2.15 builds for all mer ports | 17:38 | |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: btw, did the topic of SPDX come up in mer yet? | 17:47 |
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| * dm8tbr is still wondering if it will take off | 17:49 | |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: spdx? | 18:28 |
| _av500_ | SPDY | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | does qt webkit support it? | 18:36 |
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| ali1234 | that's a good question actually | 18:40 |
| ali1234 | it uses all Qt classes for actually fetching URLs... so probably not, but would be easy to add | 18:41 |
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| ali1234 | adding a url type is as simple as inheriting and extending a class | 18:41 |
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| ali1234 | https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-18714?page=com.atlassian.streams.streams-jira-plugin%3Aactivity-stream-issue-tab | 18:42 |
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| timoph | hmmh | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 18:59 |
| timoph | I wonder if we should set a different prompt when entering the sdk chroot | 18:59 |
| timoph | to indicate that one's in there | 18:59 |
| timoph | currently you just have to know | 18:59 |
| ali1234 | append something to the start or the end of the existing prompt if you do that please | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | problem is .profile | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | we should set / append something for sure | 19:00 |
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| timoph | yeah | 19:09 |
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| timoph | maybe "$PS1 (Mer)" or something | 19:09 |
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| ali1234 | PS1="[`basename \`dirname \"$VIRTUAL_ENV\"\``] $PS1" | 19:12 |
| ali1234 | is what virtualenv does | 19:13 |
| ali1234 | tells you you are in virtualenv and also *which one* | 19:13 |
| ali1234 | doesn't use chroot though i guess | 19:13 |
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| alterego | Ah, I was thinking about the prompt earlier. About how confusing it was ;) | 19:19 |
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| timoph | added a note about the prompt to the wiki page | 19:37 |
| timoph | I like the "[Mer]$PS1" formatting better than what I said earlier so I put that in there | 19:38 |
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| alterego | I think the chroot should have it's own clean environment. | 20:50 |
| alterego | We can do that in the chroot script. | 20:50 |
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| alterego | Actually probably extend the .mersdkrc to have hooks for on logged in. | 21:07 |
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| Sage_ | lbt, Stskeeps, timoph: Thursday is much better day for meetings from my pov. Or even Friday if it would be before 14:00 UTC. | 21:22 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | dm8tbr, you still there? | 23:29 |
| _av500_ | might sleep | 23:32 |
| _av500_ | hi Alison_Chaiken | 23:32 |
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