Friday, 2012-02-24

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ZiQiangHuanMaybe playbin2 is better than playbin for me.  Playbin2 can detect my sink element automatically but playbin can not.02:10
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Stskeepslbt: actually it was opposite, add zypper..05:40
Stskeeps:P05:40
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timophiekku: next friday to klubi?05:42
Stskeepsmorn05:46
timophmorn05:46
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: playbin2 is always better anyways05:55
Stskeepshttp://laszlopandy.com/blog_files/opportunistic-developer-gstreamer.pdf might be useful05:55
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes. playbin2 is suggested by gstreamer05:56
Stskeepshave you been able to decode anything with hardware yet? just curious05:57
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes. mpeg4 video stream05:58
Stskeepsoh congratulations :)05:58
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: But I just make a simple plugin, and it's so simple that I can just test it by gst-launch05:59
Stskeepsit's a start05:59
Stskeepskeep in mind that apps also use similar methods as gst-launch does05:59
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: Because I'm not familar with Hisiv's codec, so I make a sink element that contains decode and sink elements.06:01
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Stskeepsok, i'm not very knowledged about gstreamer sadly :)06:03
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: that's Ok. Writing a plugin is not a easy thing for me . So I'll try to understand it and test my knowledge with it.06:06
Stskeepsyeah, and you're gaining knowledge how to write gstreamer plugins - not many people have that in the world :)06:07
dcthangZiQiangHuan: you can refer qt-mobility how to use gstreamer as backend06:09
ZiQiangHuandcthang: I just downloaded the qt-mobility source code several hours ago. I found it use playbin2 or playbin06:11
dcthangyep, that's good for refer how the plugin can be written with qt06:12
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ZiQiangHuandcthang: yes. I'll see the code then. thanks06:15
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iekkutimoph, i'd like to, but not sure if i can can07:25
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timophiekku: me & niina are most likely going07:42
iekkutimoph, need to talk to wife about that, he wasn't so eager and since we don't have lots of time together in march i'm not sure if i want to go alone07:43
iekkuneed to ask him to have band things in that day or something :P07:44
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timophiekku: :)07:53
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iekkutammerfist is going to germany to play in 2 weeks and later in the march to kuopio07:54
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Stskeepshttp://www.engadget.com/2012/02/23/lumus-oe-31-optical-engine-turns-motorcycle-helmets-other-eyew/ <- want07:58
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Venemo_N950good morning :)08:00
dm8tbrhehe, nice08:02
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phaeronmorning08:27
Stskeepsmorn phaeron o/08:27
phaeronsorry I wasn't around yesterday :(08:27
phaeronlbt: ping08:28
Stskeepsah, it's fine - we're flexible with our own time and if you need to wander off, then do so :)08:28
Stskeepswe're putting our best efforts in and 'best' means "have to go to dentist at times, eat, play with kid" ;)08:29
phaeronthanks08:29
phaeronso I am almost done with imager, and will check to see if lbt has any issues with it08:29
phaeronthen start working on obs copy project08:30
Stskeeps:nod:08:30
Stskeepsi'm parsing the cross compile dependency mails on opensuse build service mailing list and how to respond to them08:30
phaeronthe "debtree" like functionality ?08:31
Stskeepsno, the ones from b1-systems.de/daniel gollub08:31
phaeronwill read08:32
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Stskeepsthe good news is they're doing some of the hard work that i would have needed for my toolchain-core split08:34
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phaeronbeauty of opensource08:42
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niqtmorning08:58
Stskeepsmorn niqt08:59
niqtcan we think of a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDr-vp4yBUw with Mer?09:00
Stskeepsshouldn't be too difficult, it's just effort09:01
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lbtmorning all09:03
Stskeepsmorn lbt09:04
Stskeepslbt: in fact the fix was to add zypper, not remove rpm09:04
lbtStskeeps: oddly zypper was fine when I removed the 2 rpm refs09:04
lbtright09:04
lbtso long as they're the same?09:04
Stskeepsas long as they're from the same architecture yes09:04
Stskeepsrpm --rebuilddb may be needed09:04
lbt*nod* ... OK, I guess you have a fixedup ruleset?09:05
Stskeepswas just a oneliner09:05
Stskeepsdidn't patch it anywhere, hence why i'm telling you09:05
lbtOK, I'll do that then09:06
Stskeepsit might not be good to have in obs-* but in a sdk-* kind of thing instead maybe09:06
lbt*nod*09:06
lbtmaybe we need /etc/sb2-modes/ too09:07
lbtmorning phaeron o/09:08
lbtoh Stskeeps ... did you see the i586 issue when installing cross-* into an i486 sdk ?09:09
lbtI guess http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.0.1/builds/mipsel/packages/i586/ is OK and http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.0.1/builds/mipsel/packages/i486/  is missing :)09:09
Stskeepsno, but that's first going to be fixed in next-next09:09
lbtso no 486 sb2 sdk until then09:10
Stskeepsbecause of the switchover to _i48609:10
Stskeepsright09:10
Stskeepsinitial work is ok though09:10
lbtI'm .... worried? ... about the complexity of the nesting mixed in with mount -bind09:11
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Stskeepssb2 doesn't do any chroot, mount --bind09:11
Stskeepsor mount /proc09:11
lbtso symlink is OK09:11
lbthmm09:11
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Stskeepshello jackylau09:12
jackylauStskeeps: hello09:12
Stskeepsjackylau: welcome :) what brings you here to #mer ?09:12
Stskeepslbt: i have to spend some time on sb2 today it seems to aid upstreaming09:13
lbtif I'm in /home/me/src/pkg/   with hello.c and I run an sb2 - -tarmv7l gcc hello.c .... will that look in /mer/sb2sdk/armv7l-root/ for stuff?09:13
Stskeepslbt: yes09:13
jackylauStskeeps: I want to know how to build mer for armv5 or mips09:13
Stskeepsjackylau: Mer already exists for MIPS32 (O32 ABI), at least09:14
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Stskeepsjackylau: armv5 we haven't attempted a port yet but if you are interested in helping to fix compile errors I can start a build09:14
lbtStskeeps: OK - so /mer/sb2sdk/armv7l-root/home/me/src doesn't need to exist? ... it will ignore /usr/include and use /,,root/usr/include ?09:15
Stskeepslbt: correct09:15
Stskeepslbt: it diverts /home to 'host' home09:15
lbtok - thanks - just verifying09:15
lbtah - so /home is special09:15
Stskeepsthere's various ways to approach it09:15
* lbt uses /mer for src so would need a special rule?09:16
jackylauStskeeps: I want to know how can I do it myself. Are there any documents?09:16
lbtjackylau: it depends what your goal is09:16
Stskeepsjackylau: so, just for good measure: Mer is a binary package distribution, we build all packages into .rpm files, so in most cases you will want to re-use the pre-built rpms09:16
lbtwhat's your interest in mer? it may help us help you :)09:17
jackylaulbt: for learning :)09:17
lbtOK - so ... learning to code?09:17
Stskeepsjackylau: if i were you i would start by trying to make Mer images (with pre-built rpms) and then go from there09:17
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jackylaulbt: I want to learn how Mer was built09:18
Stskeepsjackylau: make an account on https://webui-ci.tspre.org and look around in "All projects"09:18
Stskeepsin Core:* projects there's a lot to look at09:19
lbtOK - are you working for a company looking to make a product?09:19
jackylauStskeeps: thanks09:19
jackylaulbt: yes09:19
aldebathat link seems to be down09:19
Stskeepsah, damn09:19
Stskeepshttp://webui-ci.tspre.org09:20
Stskeepsthat url may change over time09:20
Stskeepsjackylau: i can help with your questions if you in return promise to help write documentation on the Mer wiki, wiki.merproject.org09:20
Stskeepsthat can also be teaching materials to others09:20
lbtjackylau: cool - it makes a difference because you'll be interested in how the process works and what part of this is supposed to be replicated internally etc09:20
jackylauStskeeps: I want to help, but my english is poor :(09:20
Stskeepsjackylau: i haven't found a single flaw in your english so far09:21
Stskeepsjackylau: so it's fine09:21
jackylauStskeeps: :)09:21
Stskeepsand even then, we'll help review the documentation anyway09:21
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jackylauStskeeps: I'll try, but I wouldn't promises anything :)09:25
Stskeepsyep, just take a look around at those projects first and then ask some questions09:25
Stskeepsis a good place to start09:25
Stskeepsjackylau: it is entirely possible for you and your company to build their Mer rpm packages, we have documentation on that09:26
* alterego tries his exo image.09:26
jackylauStskeeps: thanks09:26
Stskeepsjackylau: out of curiousity, got any MIPS hardware you can try Mer on?09:28
jackylauStskeeps: no, we employ an arm a8 soc, we want to find out which build method is fit for our project09:31
Stskeepsalright09:31
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alteregoSo the SDK image doesn't come with ext fs tools.09:31
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lbtalterego: no, it comes with zypper though :)09:31
Stskeepsjackylau: we provide ARMv7 (works for arm cortex-a8) rpms09:31
alteregoWhich doesn't seem to want to work.09:31
lbtalterego: which sdk image09:31
lbtand what bug?09:32
lbtit may need an rpm --rebuilddb09:32
alteregoI think I'm lacking repositories.09:32
alteregoActually, seems to be fine.09:33
jackylauStskeeps: yes, i know. maybe we will just build a image for our target by the prebuilt rpms only, :)09:33
alteregoBut they're not refreshed.09:33
lbtjackylau: you have the option to start out that way, then if you decide you want to build your own, you can09:33
lbtjackylau: we aim to make the evaluation of Mer easy09:33
lbtjackylau: and to permit you to scale up to full production09:34
alteregoWell, apparently it's mer-release file says 0.201109:34
lbtjackylau: FYI, a lot of the build systems design came from inside Nokia - so we know a bit about scaling up09:34
alteregoI'm being an idiot.09:35
alteregoIt's extlinux that's not installed not ext tools.09:35
lbthehe :)09:35
jackylaulbt: we review yocto, but it's more complex09:35
lbtjackylau: yes, we found that too09:35
lbtjackylau: we want to make it a lot easier both to evaluate, and for developers to work on as you grow09:35
lbtalterego: you making mic images?09:36
alteregoYes09:36
lbtdon't use raw09:36
alteregoTrying to make a raw image for the exo09:36
alteregoOh ...09:36
lbtuse fs for now09:36
alterego;)09:36
jackylaulbt: yes, i think so09:36
alteregoOkay, fs worked fine, guess I'll manually make the image then.09:37
lbtalterego: that's something we need to fix ... one thing at a time :)09:37
lbtjackylau: no matter what you decide I'm very interested to know your thinking09:37
lbtjackylau: I'm the 'vendor relations' guy .... which is actually not a typical 'sales' role - but more about making sure we think about vendors needs when we design release processes etc09:38
lbtjackylau: which is why I need your feedback - to make sure we act on it09:39
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jackylaulbt: If there is a web app for image custom, it will lower the learning threshold. :)09:47
lbthehe09:47
lbtas it happens09:47
lbtwe have a service called IMG09:47
lbtdeveloped for Nokia/MeeGo09:47
jackylaulbt: not for public?09:48
lbtoh yes09:48
lbthttp://autodoc.meego.com/mint/imager/09:48
lbtbut explains why the URL is meego.com still09:48
lbt(my team wrote it)09:48
Stskeepslbt: i think some screenshots would help..09:48
lbthttp://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/IMG09:49
lbtStskeeps: yes, I think you're right09:49
Stskeepsjackylau: so, we don't have a public image creator, but it's very easy to download a platform SDK and get started making images09:49
lbtyes, good point09:49
Stskeepswe do have a web app thing called IMG that can do same for making images, so you can install on a server, connect by browser, give it a image and it can build09:50
lbtjackylau: is that what you meant by a web app ?09:50
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Stskeepshmm, i wonder where openembedded's image builder service went09:51
jackylaulbt: awesome09:51
Stskeepslbt: check the competition, http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/09:53
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lbtjackylau: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/6779192378/09:55
lbtStskeeps: yes, that also builds the ks I guess09:57
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jackylaulbt: I think it's better to write a document to describe each step of workflow for the vendor, like how to use the prebuilt repository, how to build a inter repository, how to setup a project (for specially soc), how to custom a image, etc09:59
lbtjackylau: yes, we do do that10:00
lbthttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK for example is how to install the SDK and build an image10:01
lbtjackylau: then we have things like this page: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Image10:02
alteregoIs extlinux the write way to boot mer on an exo?10:03
Stskeepsalterego: right10:03
alteregos/write/right/ ;)10:03
Stskeeps-f livecd10:03
alteregoCool10:03
Stskeepsor -f liveusb10:03
alteregoWait, it's livecd now? :P10:03
Stskeepsliveusb probably better10:03
alteregoSeems to be broken as well.10:04
Stskeepsdefine broken10:04
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alterego"Failed to find package 'syslinux' : No package(s) available to install10:05
lbtjackylau: I'm also writing some material called "A day in the life of a vendor" ... that explains what happens on a daily/weekly/release-cycle basis10:05
Stskeepsalterego: did you add a x86 adaptation repo, like nemo's?10:05
jackylaulbt: thanks, i'll read it. :)10:05
lbtjackylau: eg how to download and apply a new Mer release10:05
lbtjackylau: hehe.... Mer is however, quite new, so a lot of this material comes 'on demand'10:06
alteregoStskeeps: nope, :)10:06
jackylaulbt: :)10:06
lbtjackylau: right now the platform SDK is my priority ... but if you really need this to make a decision about using Mer then we can spend some time with you10:06
lbtjackylau: hopefully we can answer specific questions with existing documentation10:07
lbtthis page http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:About is really important (IMHO)10:07
lbthmmm so I should edit the Main Page and put it there :D10:08
jackylaulbt: I want to have a try first. thanks for your kindness.10:10
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lbtjackylau: np - http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK is hopefully the place to start - but beware it's *really* new code so please yell if you hit any issues10:11
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jackylaulbt: Well, I will. :)10:12
alteregoFinally, managing to build a exo minimal image :)10:18
lbtalterego: neat - I need to do that for mine - wiki page?10:20
alteregoWell, it just failed: "Error <creator>: Failed to compress image /var/tmp/mic/imgcreate-lg575z/out/mer-core/i586-connectivity-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.img with bz2"10:21
alteregoHelpful message.10:21
* alterego tries without compression10:21
lbtdisk space?10:21
alterego5% utilisation :P10:22
lbtand I guess it's not a teeny disk :)10:22
alteregoHeh, no not particularly. It's a 4TB NAS10:22
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lbtheck ... you could fit a Tizen core on that!10:23
lbtjust10:23
alterego:)10:23
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Stskeepsalterego: bzip2 installed10:25
Stskeeps?10:25
alteregoFinished fine with liveusb and no compression10:28
alteregoIt's installed in the SDK chroot10:28
Stskeepsodd10:28
* alterego burns image to sd10:30
alteregoDo we have a wiki page that describes how to make various images?10:30
lbtalterego: no10:30
alteregoDo want :P10:30
* alterego creates10:30
lbtI think it wold be useful10:30
lbtdo try to link more than you type though10:31
lbtoh, and hows the migration coming along?10:31
alteregoI was going to do that this afternoon.10:31
alteregoOr this weekend, either way, hopefully done for monday.10:31
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alteregoIt'd be nice if we had a central place for "official" .ks files too.10:32
Stskeepsideally we'll have a way to add kickstarter descriptions for each hw adaptation10:33
Stskeepsso you take one from mer, one from hardware adaptation, one from ui10:33
Stskeepsand mix them together to a .ks10:33
alteregoI might toy with hacking together an interface to the sdk chroot10:33
lbtalterego: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=00sdk.yaml&package=sdk-kickstarter-configs&project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting&rev=a3478e4d71440ec29a86075ec51b373910:33
alteregoMaybe a RoR based web interface that can use the chroot to build images.10:33
lbtmmm10:34
Stskeepsalterego: that'd imply distribution and not always a good thing10:34
lbtwe have IMG already?10:34
Stskeepsbut yeah, we have a service like that10:34
lbtalterego: I have plenty of ideas for RoR stuff10:34
lbtwe are *desperate* for BOSS ui10:34
alteregoStskeeps: how do you mean?10:34
alteregolbt: well, if you want it. I don't mind having a look at that instead for my weekend project.10:35
lbtalterego: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/6779192378/10:35
Stskeepsalterego: as in it costs to pass around 400+ mb images and sometimes you might not have redistributable stuff in the images10:35
Stskeepsalterego: either way, look at that 00sdk.yaml , that could easily be made into a custom .yaml that makes specific images10:35
lbtalterego: that's a django app FYI10:35
Stskeepsie, lego block style putting images togethr10:35
Stskeepsr10:35
alteregoStskeeps: well, the interface would run locally on the SDK host.10:35
Stskeepsie,10:36
StskeepsConfigurations:10:36
Stskeeps   Name: mer-minimal-exopc10:36
Stskeeps      Inherit:10:36
Stskeeps            - Mer Core System10:36
alteregoStskeeps: well, that's sort of what I was thinking.10:36
Stskeeps            - Generic X86 architecture10:36
Stskeeps         - ExoPC adaptation10:36
Stskeepskind of stuff10:36
Stskeepsthat's what it's for10:36
lbtif you did that I'd really rather it was part of IMG10:36
Stskeepslbt: command line interface to img would be nice10:37
Stskeepsfrom sdk10:37
lbtand incidentally, the yaml/kickstarer is in python which should import into a django app10:37
eocanhaI see that the fakeobs scripts do some magic to get the packages from Mer:Core, but as I understand, Mer:Core isn't enough to get a functional image (eg: it doesn't have a "kernel" package), so additional projects, such as CE:Adaptation:x86-generic would be needed, and probably also Nemo or other flavours if I want a full UX (which by the moment I don't want)10:37
lbtwhereas boss is ruby and so is OBS fe ... so a BOSS plugin to OBS fe and a RoR BOSS extension .... that'd be cool10:37
alteregoeocanha: that's out of choice yes :)10:38
eocanhaAre there similar config/scripts to the ones in fakeobs to cache CE:Adaptation:x86-generic and other projects too?10:38
lbtalterego: so I have reasons for pushing you that way :D10:38
alterego:)10:38
Stskeepseocanha: we're hoping to get to this point as well, where you can lego blocks like put things together10:38
alteregolbt: do we have any documentation for BOSS ?10:38
Stskeepseocanha: you can use the repos from repo.pub.meego.com for now though10:38
lbtalterego: oh yes10:39
lbthttp://ruote.rubyforge.org/10:39
lbtalterego: this stuff is seriously cool :)10:39
slaineStskeeps: it should be possible to use osc linkpac to get a locale copy of the different pub.meego.com repo's right ?10:39
lbtI should introduce you to john (upstream dev) too10:39
Stskeepsslaine: yeah, but obs linking is nasty..10:40
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lbtalterego: also https://github.com/kennethkalmer/ruote-kit10:40
lbtwhich is sinatra10:40
slaineStskeeps: nasty how ?10:40
Stskeepsslaine: as in you're screwed if build.pub.meego.com goes down10:41
lbtalterego: https://github.com/tosch/ruote-on-rails10:41
alteregolbt: looks like a lot of research I need to do then ;)10:41
slaineYeah, hence using the copy feature.10:41
lbthttp://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Installation10:41
eocanhaI wanted to avoid the availability problems of pub.meego.com, that's why I stopped trying Meego and started trying Mer10:41
lbtalterego: yeah - but it's surprisingly rational10:41
slaineeocanha: I'm coming at it from the same pov10:42
Stskeepseocanha: yeah, you can just copy in the source packages onto your own obs10:42
Stskeepswe'll have a better method eventually10:42
lbtalterego: and you'll storm through it since you know ruby10:42
lbtalterego: this is a live view of our boss processes ... dig the gui!!!10:42
lbthttp://autodoc.meego.com/boss/10:42
eocanhahmmm... copying the source package sounds good10:42
alterego:)10:43
lbtalterego: it gets better - drilldown into projects .... http://autodoc.meego.com/boss/processes/10:43
slaineSomething like "osc linkpac -C copy " should work right Stskeeps  ?10:43
slaineThat's what my script does to pull fakeOBS into my OBS10:43
lbtalterego: hence the serious need for some tlc here10:43
lbtphaeron: I'm trying to get alterego hooked on BOSS and ruote^^^  .... be nice to him !!10:44
alteregoHeh10:44
Stskeepsslaine: osc copypac would be better10:45
slainehehe10:45
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alteregolbt: well, if you could come up with a draft spec of what you'd like. I'll have a look in to knocking something up.10:48
lbtalterego: sure10:49
alteregoWhy does it say "Boot Tizen" on my boot loader O_O10:49
lbtalterego: we'll need to get Sage_ involved too - he actually uses this stuff - maybe X-Fade too10:50
Stskeepsalterego: bad conf10:50
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Stskeepsalterego: we share image creator with tizen, good NIH10:50
Stskeepsnot NIH, i mean10:50
Stskeeps:P10:50
alteregoHeh10:51
alteregoAm I right in thinking that these .ks files: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/kickstarts/mer-core-armv7l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks10:53
alteregoDon't actually boot in to qml-viewer because they don't have the .desktop entry?10:53
Stskeepsyou're right10:53
alteregoIs that intentional?10:54
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Stskeepsno, fault on my side10:55
Stskeepsit sounds like a good kickstarter feature thoug10:55
Stskeepsh10:55
alteregoLike "Select UX?" :P10:55
Stskeepsish, yeah10:55
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alteregoHrm, maybe we should think about mes-mer-ising the extlinux configuration file.11:05
Stskeepsalterego: you can adjust mic.conf to not say tizen11:06
alteregoI don't like seeing Tizen when booting :P11:06
Stskeepsit should probably be default11:06
alteregoYeah, that's what I was thinking. Not in our SDK ;)11:06
Stskeepsplease to file a bug11:07
alteregoI'll come up with a patch and then file a big.11:07
alterego~bug11:07
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Sage_lbt, Stskeeps, alterego: the default value for distro name in mic is tizen but it is just configuration thing in /etc/mic/mic.conf11:18
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* lbt has packaging to hand11:20
Stskeepsmic should have a --productname thing..11:21
Stskeeps:P11:21
Stskeepsthink "Boot Nemo"11:21
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lbtphaeron: so... build_image11:24
phaeronlbt: so all the stuff needed to boot the kvm off an lv is in it11:25
lbtand kvm can run as a user11:25
lbtbut we need to do lvm stuff as root11:25
phaeronlbt: but it will need to sudo because build_image runs as user11:25
lbt?11:25
phaeronlbt: yes kvm as user works fine11:25
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lbtI think if it runs as root to prepare the lv and then sudo to a user to run the rest ... that sounds OK11:26
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phaerondropping privileges is tricky and it will need to setup lv for every job run11:27
phaeronso the other way is easier11:27
Stskeepswhat's the lv part, out of curiousity/11:27
phaeronand already used when running without kvm11:27
phaeronStskeeps: imager the service wrapper around mic2 (and now mic) runs as a user. it can run mic using sudo , or run it inside a kvm11:29
Stskeepsah11:29
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phaeronthe kvm used to be a qcow2 or raw image , but setting it up is a bit tricky11:30
phaeronso lvm can make it asier11:30
phaeroneasier11:30
Stskeeps:nod:11:30
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Sage_Stskeeps: well there are more things like that so IMO config is better solution for it11:42
Stskeepsok11:42
Stskeepsor kickstart?11:43
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lbtmic updated to say distro_name = MerDevice11:51
Stskeepserr..11:51
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StskeepsMer, please11:51
Stskeepshi sledges11:51
sledgesCzesc! Stskeeps11:51
lbtit's the default config for mic... so when a vendor installs it - they aren't building Mer11:51
lbtwhen I build an SDK11:51
lbtI should change it11:51
sledgesStskeeps, great news! boss put me on bench time and told to learn something useful; guess what i'll do lol11:52
lbtStskeeps: yes?11:52
Stskeepssledges: reddit.com/r/todayilearned ?11:52
sledgesStskeeps: merproject.org ;)11:52
Stskeepssledges: ah, that thing ;)11:52
lbtsledges: nice11:52
sledgesfinally11:52
Stskeepslbt: MerDevice just looks stupid in demos.. so some other name/working11:53
lbt"booting MerDevice"11:53
Stskeepsand no, it can't be iMer, either11:53
sledgesguys, silly question: what's the apt-get update + upgrade equivalent in mer?11:53
lbtsledges: zypper up11:54
* sledges lols11:54
lbtsledges: zypper ref for update11:54
sledgesguess i'll go and zip up then :)11:54
lbtzypper search is also quite useful since rpm has yet to invent aptitude11:54
lbtthey'll catch up one day ... maybe11:54
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sledgeshm11:55
Stskeepslbt: "Boot image"?11:55
Stskeeps:P11:55
lbtStskeeps: seriously ... MerDevice is that bad?11:56
Stskeepsyes, i don't like it, it's Mer or <vendor name>11:56
Stskeepsor <product name>11:56
* lbt changes it back to Tizen11:56
Stskeepsand not Tizen11:57
sledgesit says: Repo 'openSUSE:11.3:Update' appears to be outdated11:57
sledgesi used VMWare approach (hence documented by myself..): http://wiki.merproject.org/index.php?title=Mer_Delivery_System&oldid=87411:57
sledgesi see lbt you scraped that all :)11:57
lbtsledges: reorganised it mainly11:58
sledgesok, so i have obs-server.i686 running, zypper up says: Repo 'openSUSE:11.3:Update' appears to be outdated. Consider using a different mirror or server.\n Reading installed packages\n Nothing to do.11:59
lbtoh, the vm bit - yeah, we need to break out tutorial style things from reference things12:00
sledgesI have ~/prj/fakeobs:Core,i58612:00
sledgess/,/:/12:00
lbttutorials are too often a set of notes for a specific install that aren't maintainable12:00
sledgesok12:00
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lbtalso 11.3 is deprecated now12:01
sledgesI should get back my head around Mer, three months passed, many things changed12:01
lbtso we don't build for it12:01
sledgesthere ya go :)12:01
lbtsuse only supports for 12 months I think12:02
sledgeswhich vm should i choose then12:05
alteregoDo we have hardware graphics accel for exo?12:05
alteregoAnd how would I enable it in my .ks ?12:05
sledgesalterego, add libGLES*.so.*12:06
Stskeepsalterego: are you using the Intel hw adaptation package groups?12:06
sledges(if we have any :))12:06
alteregoProbably not ;)12:06
alteregoBecause I'm still getting the multi-touch segfault ;)12:07
Stskeepsduh12:07
Stskeeps:P12:07
alteregoWell, do we have a working exo .ks somewhere?12:09
Stskeepsnemo's x86 one12:09
alteregoI've just based mine on the connectivity mer one and the nemo i586 one12:09
alteregoSo it's the "Intel x86 Generic Support" group?12:09
Stskeepsright12:10
* alterego has another go ;)12:10
Stskeepsin other news, http://www.extremetech.com/computing/119571-mozilla-partners-up-with-lg-to-combat-apple-and-google-with-its-own-device12:11
alteregoCool12:11
alteregoThat'll probably be quite open then ..12:12
alteregoLooks somewhat like MeeGo ...12:12
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alteregoIt even sounds like what MeeGo was trying to achieve, but with Gecko as the UI/HMTL5 as the toolkit. Somewhat Tizen-esque ..12:14
Stskeepsit's a tizen contender, for sure12:14
Stskeepswell, at least i was right, war of the runtimes instead12:14
alteregoYeah12:15
alteregoVery interesting.12:15
slaineI've not seen anything about their stack12:16
Stskeepsslaine: the dirty secret is that it's bionic-android-based12:16
alteregoHeh12:16
alteregoSeems a bit silly, they should use mer12:16
Stskeepswhich is why i haven't dismissed their work12:16
slaineEwwww12:16
slainethat's icky12:16
alteregoWell, when something is released, we should get it running on Mer ;)12:16
alteregoI guess it'll be pretty damn easy.12:17
Stskeepskeep in mind that these guys have a foothold on a lot of different devices possible, by re-using android hardware adaptation..12:17
slaineSo what they've taken Android, and put Xulrunner on there12:17
Stskeepsso don't dismiss them out of hand12:17
alteregoNot sure they need XUL Runner as such.12:17
alteregoBut obviously there's no getting around it being there.12:18
slaineWell, I'd imagine that' what's wrapping the Gecko part12:18
alteregoEven microb had XUL in there somewhere.12:18
alteregoGecko is the XUL runtime ::P12:18
slaineyup12:18
* slaine maintains a GtkMozEmbed browser12:18
alteregoBut I doubt they'll be using XUL as the platform.12:18
alteregoThey'll be using HTML5.12:19
alteregoPossibly XUL for the core apps, but even that seems a bit redundant.12:19
slaineyeah12:19
slainegood point12:19
vgradebut with bionic they get to reuse andriod drivers, nice12:20
alteregoI guess their adaptations may be easier than ours ;)12:20
* Stskeeps points to core-toolchain split idea12:20
vgradeyes12:21
alteregoWow, my girlfriend just saw the QML Viewer start up on my exo, and read it correctly. She said "That's really cute Tom"12:21
alteregololz12:21
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alteregoAnd no multitouch segfault :D12:21
alteregoschweeeet.12:21
alteregoAnd the power button shuts it down correctly.12:21
vgradenice log file http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/deploy/omap4430-panda/dcba5c/random-aa226079-image-manifest.html12:22
Stskeepsa manifest, not a bad idea12:22
alteregoStskeeps: do you think we'll get adding x86_64 support anytime soon?12:23
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Stskeepsalterego: maybe with core-toolchain split12:23
alteregoAnyway, I'm happy with getting my exo running this basic image. Next will be getting back in to adapting Grande to the tablet form factor.12:24
alteregoBut first, Lunch.12:24
alteregobbiab12:24
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lbtStskeeps: so... the current situation wrt sb2 SDK is that we need an atom-based desktop to use it - correct?12:48
Stskeepsyes12:48
lbtand eta for fixing that?12:49
Stskeepsand that'll be fixed after we have 0209.1 out the door12:49
lbtOK12:49
Stskeepsit has the potential of impacting release ability, so12:50
lbthttp://pastie.org/344514812:51
lbtis what I was getting from a 486 approach for an sb2 sdk that supports any arch12:51
Stskeepswhy the double scratchbox2?12:52
Stskeepsbut yes, we'd have /cross/ instead as a repo12:52
lbtyep - both issues noted down12:52
Stskeepsok12:52
lbtI think kickstarter should be more 'require' than 'include'12:52
lbtsince when I put a grouping in that says "MIPS sb2"12:52
lbtI clearly need SB212:53
Stskeepsmm12:53
Stskeepsi don't mind inheritance if we can pull it off12:53
lbtyes12:53
lbtbut I don't want it to have to be purist12:53
lbtthe intention is DWIM12:53
StskeepsDWIM?12:53
lbtDo What I Mean12:53
Stskeepsah12:54
lbtso inheritance is an aid to constructing products, not an exercise in OO configuration12:54
Bostikhear, hear!12:55
lbtso here's the yaml at the moment http://pastie.org/344519512:56
lbtBostik:  :)12:56
phaeronlbt: vmlinuz is not a symlink to the correct kernel , it is a copy13:02
* lbt attempts to extract meaning13:03
lbtbug report?13:03
phaeronok13:03
lbtbecause it is a symlink? or because it isn't?13:03
lbt:D13:04
lbtmoments ago I posted in #nemomobile about my kernel packaging ... I take it this is unrelated - but my brain got confused13:04
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phaeronlbt: rephrase: using your kernel packaging , there is a bug where vmlinuz is _not_ a symlink to the kernel file, it is a full copy13:09
phaeronnot fatal , just wasted space in the image13:09
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lbtOK - thanks13:11
lbtI need to get that up somewhere13:11
phaeronI noticed it when writing docs on how to generate the kvm image for img13:12
lbtwe have mer-core   mer-tools   so   mer-reference maybe   <-- Stskeeps? for things we expect vendors to copy+hack ... not much in there13:12
lbttbh I noticed it when I did it but had bigger problems at the time -  I have large disks :)13:12
lbtnow of course it's not 'published'13:13
lbtso logging a bug is a pita13:13
lbtI suggest Mer Vendor Interface?13:13
phaeronis that for me or Stskeeps ?13:13
lbtfor you13:13
lbtunless you have a patch already13:13
phaeronno I don't13:15
phaeronjust wrapping up the docs though13:15
lbtbug is fine - just so we don't forget13:17
* lbt waits for alterego's exopc docs too - would like to see mer on it13:17
Stskeepslbt: did you try nemo on exo yet?13:17
Stskeeps:P13:17
lbtno13:17
lbtI use that on n9513:18
lbt013:18
Stskeepsok, you should try the .img13:18
lbtOK - will do13:18
Sage_mdfe_: ping peregrine :)13:36
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sledgessmoku, you have removed your http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/smoku:/Mer%3a/HA%3a/iMX/ :(14:39
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mdfe_Sage_: hi14:46
mdfe_Sage_: http://download.peregrine-communicator.org/debian_packages/14:46
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ali1234http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?p=235143&sid=9440fa468439440426fb1d92e5e291f6#p23514314:56
ali1234lolz14:56
ali1234so ASDA is selling the archos 28 for £29.9914:56
Stskeepsah, that looks like an old post14:56
ali1234Stskeeps: yes it is, very old14:57
ali1234but amusing14:57
Stskeepsback to the future..14:57
Stskeeps:P14:57
ali1234anyway i'm just going to go out to try to buy one14:57
ali1234and i found that post while researching it14:58
alteregoIn the past two days, I've accidentially done: . ~/.bash_history15:02
alteregotwice15:02
* alterego feels like a newb15:02
Stskeepswtf15:03
Stskeeps:P15:03
alteregoIt's muscle memory f'ing up.15:03
alteregoI meant to type: . ~/.bash_aliases15:03
alteregoBut I quite often do things like: grep osc ~/.bash_history15:04
alteregoSo when ever I start doing ~/.bash_ I think my hands just do whatever they want to do and my brain is too half-dead to say otherwise :D15:04
Stskeepsyou do know ctrl-r, right15:05
alterego*cough* no? *cough* :P15:07
alteregoWell isn't that handy ..15:07
Stskeepsi saw someone doing it once and tried to figure out for a year what it was15:07
Stskeeps:P15:07
alteregoHeh15:07
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w00tI showed someone the magic of ctrl+r when I was in helsinki this january15:08
w00tbecause it got too painful to watch him type out a long command repeatedly while I was watching over his shoulder15:08
alteregoHeh15:08
alteregoHow does it actually work then?15:08
leinirit's just an incremental search backwards through bash history :)15:09
leinirsuper-useful :)15:09
alteregoJust noticed something that may be a bug.15:10
alteregoBecause the mer platform sdk mounts your home15:10
alteregoIt uses the same ~/.bash_history ..15:11
sledgesfellows, any ideas why smoku removed all iMX HA stuff (including GLES, xorg-driver-imx)? IP? NDA? :(15:11
alteregoI suppose it's not exactly a bug, and I want to move away from using my home directory and just mount a projects dir15:11
alteregoBut not sure if it's something that may need to be fixed.15:12
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Stskeepssledges: maybe it's in https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Asmoku%3AMer%3AHA instead now15:13
sledgesna, there we are, google hasn't indexed that yet :) thank you! any explanations for transition?15:14
Stskeepsnot sure15:14
Stskeepsthough i don't see a imx driver there15:14
Stskeepsfor xorg15:14
sledgesthat one i'll build from sources15:16
sledgesbut libamdgpu are the GLES bits for iMX15:16
StskeepsREMINDER: Platform SDK status/planning meeting in less than an hour at 16:00 UTC in #mer-meeting15:17
Sage_:( can't make it15:19
alteregoI'll turn up for once and take Sage's place ;)15:19
Sage_Friday 15-20 UTC isn't very good time for me15:19
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StskeepsREMINDER: Platform SDK status/planning meeting in 9 minutes in #mer-meeting15:51
timoph'lo15:59
* timoph just made it15:59
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* Stskeeps celebrates as eglibc 2.15 builds for all mer ports17:38
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dm8tbrStskeeps: btw, did the topic of SPDX come up in mer yet?17:47
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* dm8tbr is still wondering if it will take off17:49
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Stskeepsdm8tbr: spdx?18:28
_av500_SPDY18:32
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Stskeepsah18:35
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Stskeepsdoes qt webkit support it?18:36
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ali1234that's a good question actually18:40
ali1234it uses all Qt classes for actually fetching URLs... so probably not, but would be easy to add18:41
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ali1234adding a url type is as simple as inheriting and extending a class18:41
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ali1234https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-18714?page=com.atlassian.streams.streams-jira-plugin%3Aactivity-stream-issue-tab18:42
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timophhmmh18:58
Stskeepsmm?18:59
timophI wonder if we should set a different prompt when entering the sdk chroot18:59
timophto indicate that one's in there18:59
timophcurrently you just have to know18:59
ali1234append something to the start or the end of the existing prompt if you do that please18:59
Stskeepsproblem is .profile19:00
Stskeepswe should set / append something for sure19:00
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timophyeah19:09
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timophmaybe "$PS1 (Mer)" or something19:09
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ali1234PS1="[`basename \`dirname \"$VIRTUAL_ENV\"\``] $PS1"19:12
ali1234is what virtualenv does19:13
ali1234tells you you are in virtualenv and also *which one*19:13
ali1234doesn't use chroot though i guess19:13
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alteregoAh, I was thinking about the prompt earlier. About how confusing it was ;)19:19
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timophadded a note about the prompt to the wiki page19:37
timophI like the "[Mer]$PS1" formatting better than what I said earlier so I put that in there19:38
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alteregoI think the chroot should have it's own clean environment.20:50
alteregoWe can do that in the chroot script.20:50
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alteregoActually probably extend the .mersdkrc to have hooks for on logged in.21:07
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Sage_lbt, Stskeeps, timoph: Thursday is much better day for meetings from my pov. Or even Friday if it would be before 14:00 UTC.21:22
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Alison_Chaikendm8tbr, you still there?23:29
_av500_might sleep23:32
_av500_hi Alison_Chaiken23:32
* _av500_ sleeps too now23:34
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