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| lbt | Updated instructions here: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK with updated link to https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/ - feedback welcome | 00:32 |
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| timoph | lbt: cool | 04:36 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:22 |
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| timoph | btw, if we include the predefined sb2 targets to the sdk how much bigger the rootfs will be? | 05:44 |
| timoph | (about) | 05:44 |
| Stskeeps | good question | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | anything below 3gb is a strong proposition | 05:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:46 |
| timoph | :) | 05:46 |
| timoph | how your weekend if we'll have a sdk status meeting or is it too short notice? | 05:48 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a good time, just announce it | 05:48 |
| * timoph thinking about the day/time | 05:49 | |
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| * Stskeeps 's sense of time and space hasn't awoken yet | 05:51 | |
| timoph | I think I'll go for tomorrow 18 utc | 05:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: happen to have a n950 nearby with pr1.2 beta? | 05:55 |
| timoph | no. it's at home :/ | 05:55 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 05:55 |
| iekku | mer(ry) day | 06:00 |
| iekku | or morning | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | morn iekku :) | 06:00 |
| iekku | under 30h with ixonos | 06:00 |
| iekku | after that hopefully more time to spend with you guys also | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. 5 days left of my nokia contract too | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | may ze future be bright | 06:01 |
| iekku | +1 | 06:01 |
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| timoph | almost -3 months for me :p | 06:05 |
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| Stskeeps | hello aldeba | 06:26 |
| aldeba | hi stskeeps | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 06:28 |
| aldeba | meego-arm pointed me this way :) | 06:28 |
| aldeba | just got a trimslice, looking at how i can stretch it. | 06:28 |
| aldeba | so far it seems to be xbmc. | 06:28 |
| aldeba | and meego seems to be the one working so far. | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | xbmc, qtmediahub etc - mer should run on trimslice just fine | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | see http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace | 06:29 |
| aldeba | i'm going to give it a spin this evening. | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | alright, if there's any questions feel free to ask | 06:30 |
| aldeba | that's a helpful link | 06:30 |
| Stskeeps | seems to be a fairly complete hardware adaptation | 06:32 |
| cxl000 | aldeba I have build new hardware adaptation packages based on the L4T R12 drop in https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Acxl000%3ACE%3AAdaptation%3ATrimslice | 06:34 |
| aldeba | what's up with the errors? | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | aldeba: we did a changeover in build system, those errors are just temporary | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | cxl000: osc rebuild --failed | 06:37 |
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| aldeba | does the obs include the image file? | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK is what you can use to build one with | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: no 'x86' please, 'i486' or 'i586' so we know what mer core it's based on | 06:43 |
| aldeba | is there any ks file for the tegra? | 06:46 |
| aldeba | i mean trimslice. | 06:49 |
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| aldeba | cx1000: is the link you sent following the git repo from nv-tegra.nvidia.com ? | 06:50 |
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| cxl000 | not git. the kernel is the 2.01 trimslice code drop. the graphics drivers are the softfp driver from nvidia's L4T R12 code drop | 06:52 |
| aldeba | thanxs. i need to spend some time to get my head around the repo, packages and the mer website ;) | 06:53 |
| cxl000 | I've got to go now but I'll drop a ks somewhere latter. | 06:54 |
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| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: happen to have a pr1.2-beta n950? | 07:00 |
| jukkaeklund | yeah | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | can you dpkg -l | grep libgles2 and tell me what version number it has? | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | same with | grep kernel | 07:02 |
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| jukkaeklund | sure, hold on sec.. | 07:06 |
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| jukkaeklund | stskeeps, 1:1.4.285+0m7 | 07:09 |
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| Stskeeps | t | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | a | 07:09 |
| vgrade | morning, looks like RaspberryPi day | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 07:11 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Is gst-plugin-bad available in Mer's repo ? | 07:11 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I see gst-plugin-bad there, but not gst-plugin-ugly | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: you can probably grab srpm from meego | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think we have -bad-free | 07:15 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: srpm from meego ? | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:16 |
| timoph | vgrade: a bit wrong link in the tweet :p | 07:18 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: and kernel? | 07:18 |
| jukkaeklund | 2.6.32.48-dfl61-20115101 | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | and as usual, that kernel isn't published anywhere | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | fun | 07:19 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Do you mean http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/repos/oss/source/ | 07:23 |
| jukkaeklund | ffuu.. | 07:23 |
| dm8tbr | another round of 'please comply with the GPL and send us a DVD'? | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yes, for example | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: well, that is what the PLA does say | 07:24 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: only gst-bad there, not gst-ugly | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ah, might have to package that yourself then | 07:24 |
| jukkaeklund | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/ | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | we don't package that as it has patent problems | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: yes, that doesn't contain it | 07:25 |
| jukkaeklund | noticed | 07:25 |
| dm8tbr | jukkaeklund: the people responsible for this probably sit in helsinki and not in tampere? else I could walk over to the nokia office and pick up the dvd... | 07:25 |
| jukkaeklund | helsinki.. | 07:25 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 07:25 |
| jukkaeklund | anybody sent a request for DVD? | 07:26 |
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| Stskeeps | think there's people who have done that the moment the beta came out | 07:26 |
| jukkaeklund | ok | 07:26 |
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| Stskeeps | am taking some time to update bits and pieces on n950/n9 adaptation while i still can, so | 07:32 |
| vgrade | timoph, thanks, not awake yet | 07:32 |
| timoph | :) | 07:32 |
| jukkaeklund | stskeeps, good | 07:33 |
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| lbt | timoph: 18:00 on a friday is OK for me if it's .fi time but I'm out later in the evening | 08:18 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: that's easy - change core to atom/x86 :D | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: feel free to send patches | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | and good morning | 08:19 |
| lbt | good morning | 08:19 |
| * Stskeeps is on his second cup f coffee | 08:19 | |
| lbt | I really liked your idea of using names - so I thought I'd try it out | 08:19 |
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| lbt | given the confusion on arches I'm wondering if we should just start somewhere.... ? | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | keep them in style with what image names are usually made | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | ie, mer-RPMARCH- | 08:21 |
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| lbt | OK - but you get to explain to every 64bit AMD user why they should download the i486 SDK and not the i586 | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | shortly there'll only be the i486 sdk | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | ie, from next next release | 08:22 |
| lbt | OK | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | as i switch default cross compilers to be built with _i486 instead of _i586 | 08:23 |
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| timoph | lbt: I wouldn't mind moving it to 18:00 .fi time (16 utc) if someone doesn't strongly disagree with it | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | i don't mind, it might e better for me too | 08:24 |
| timoph | ok | 08:24 |
| * timoph sends another mail | 08:24 | |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I think we should add "Mer Compiling Tool" pkg group as well similar to build-essential meta package in ubuntu | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | or at least something corresponding to obs's build base | 08:31 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=00sdk.yaml&package=sdk-kickstarter-configs&project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting&rev=a3478e4d71440ec29a86075ec51b3739 | 08:31 |
| Sage_ | lbt: I mean packages like "gcc make gcc-c++" | 08:32 |
| lbt | I'm arranging the sdk/image production to allow modular build up - I'd like to provide a minimal rootfs (as well as fat ones) where you can "zypper in Mer OBS development" or somtehing | 08:33 |
| lbt | and Sage_ yes, that's totally on the list | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: how do you feel about aggregates in Mer:Tools btw..? | 08:33 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: for what reason? | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i can't see any better way to get cross compilers into the SDK | 08:34 |
| Sage_ | lbt: so something to http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=tree;f=patterns;h=3617c948d38835558c3f87cc89d84ba6680bfa79;hb=HEAD | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | as they're within the arm* repos exclusively, on i586 scheduler side | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | though i guess we can in release process seperate them out.. | 08:34 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: as long as it's documented I'm fine with it | 08:35 |
| lbt | I also don't mind adding another repo | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | another repo might be cleanr, yeah | 08:35 |
| lbt | repos are (within reason) an implementation detail that most dev users shouldn't see | 08:35 |
| lbt | and even if they do - it may give more flexibility | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:36 |
| lbt | Sage_: yes please - I wanted to link the groupings in my link with the ones in yours | 08:36 |
| lbt | but I don't fully get patterns yet - as in I think they're made at release? | 08:37 |
| lbt | which may make them tricky to use whilst iterating the sdk? | 08:37 |
| lbt | nb ... has anyone tried the sdk? | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | doing it atm | 08:39 |
| lbt | I ran through the instructions last night and it seemed OK | 08:39 |
| Sage_ | lbt: I'll do some initla thing for compiling tools, we just need to decide the name :) | 08:39 |
| lbt | I'd like a few more tasks on the wiki | 08:39 |
| lbt | Sage_: well, I'm doing that in the sdk anyway.... | 08:40 |
| lbt | so shall we do it there first? | 08:40 |
| Sage_ | lbt: I think we should have it in core anyway as users (like me) want at times to compile on their Mer device as well | 08:41 |
| lbt | yeah, not disagreeing | 08:41 |
| Sage_ | that group can't include any sdk tools just the ones in core though but that should be ok on sdk pov as well | 08:41 |
| lbt | so my task for today is to make compilation work in sdk - and that means making those groups etc | 08:42 |
| lbt | so trying to avoid duplicating work | 08:42 |
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| lbt | is it blocking you? | 08:43 |
| Sage_ | lbt: not really. Installed each package by hand | 08:43 |
| lbt | and am I right about groups only applying via the full (pre)release process? | 08:43 |
| Sage_ | lbt: What do you mean with that? | 08:44 |
| Sage_ | groups are provided with the repository | 08:44 |
| Sage_ | as they might change between releases | 08:44 |
| lbt | mmm | 08:44 |
| lbt | so.... I edit the yaml | 08:45 |
| lbt | then run mic | 08:45 |
| Sage_ | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120120.1/builds/armv7l/packages/repodata/ <- | 08:45 |
| lbt | does it use new groups | 08:45 |
| lbt | "no" | 08:45 |
| Sage_ | the .yaml gets exported as .xml with the release and then mic and zypper can use those | 08:45 |
| lbt | right, so "no" | 08:45 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 08:45 |
| lbt | not until the next release | 08:45 |
| Sage_ | well you can do your own repository that contains groups and use those before new release | 08:46 |
| lbt | so iterating the SDK to see if the groups are right .... slow process ;) | 08:46 |
| Sage_ | groups can be in separete repository than packages | 08:46 |
| lbt | hacking in the .ks until it's all OK, then making groups.... | 08:46 |
| lbt | ah - that's interesting | 08:46 |
| Sage_ | so nothing prevents testing groups against any release | 08:46 |
| lbt | OK - I'll try that at some point too then | 08:47 |
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| Stskeeps | hello simon___ | 08:51 |
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| Stskeeps | moin mdfe_ | 09:13 |
| mdfe_ | good morning :) | 09:14 |
| vgrade | mdfe_ morning, I'm back home now and catching up on 3 days IRC backlog. I also saw some new PA images , thanks | 09:15 |
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| mdfe_ | vgrade: good morning, yes we updated testing project yesterday | 09:16 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: good morning, do you have time to take a short look on a strange issue? | 09:18 |
| lbt | mdfe_: for you.... | 09:18 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=sample-media&project=Project%3AKDE%3ATrunk%3ATesting&repository=Mer_Core-next_CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7l | 09:18 |
| mdfe_ | no idea why it breaks, and only mer next on arm is effected | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | does it happen with rebuild too? | 09:19 |
| mdfe_ | I tried yesterday twice, but try again | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | it -might- be a sb2 bug in first case | 09:20 |
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| Stskeeps | er, worst | 09:20 |
| mdfe_ | any idea what '<name>.rpm has no hdrmd5' mean? | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | ive seen it once before but just dismissed it as a fluke | 09:20 |
| mdfe_ | has it to do with rpmlint? | 09:23 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, but other rpm things would complain too | 09:23 |
| lbt | https://github.com/openSUSE/open-build-service/blob/master/src/backend/bs_repserver#L1364 | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 09:23 |
| lbt | too big to calculate? | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | how big are those things? | 09:28 |
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| vgrade | 748MB tgz in package | 09:30 |
| vgrade | sry tare | 09:30 |
| vgrade | sry tar | 09:30 |
| slaine | Howdy folks | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: nitpick.. can we somehow do a different PS1/PS2 in target? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | in chroot | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | [mer-sdk] kind of thing | 09:31 |
| lbt | yeah - I noticed that | 09:31 |
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| vgrade | slaine, hi | 09:31 |
| lbt | the problem is that it mounts home .... so same .profile etc | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 09:32 |
| lbt | I'm going to break the script up btw | 09:32 |
| lbt | to prepare_sdk and enter_sdk | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: also, install qemu-usermode-static | 09:32 |
| lbt | so we can have multiple shells too | 09:32 |
| mdfe_ | but why does it work for i586? | 09:33 |
| lbt | ah yes :) | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: good question | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: could i ask you to file a bug on this for the prerelease so we remember? | 09:33 |
| mdfe_ | I will do | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | thank you | 09:33 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: carsten@ideapad:~$ ls -al /tmp | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | total 8 | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb 23 09:36 . | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | dr-xr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 Feb 23 09:30 .. | 09:37 |
| lbt | not sticky? | 09:39 |
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| slaine | I'd a nice few days off, but it looks like you've all been very busy | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: yeah.. getting somewhere finally | 09:41 |
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| lbt | blurgh | 09:48 |
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| lbt | just left SDK and found loads of mic droppings in the mount table | 09:48 |
| lbt | have they never heard of 'catch' ? | 09:49 |
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| lbt | -> coffee | 09:52 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: timoph: http://pastie.org/3436021 | 10:36 |
| lbt | leave it alone ... | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | that's inside your sdk fwiw | 10:36 |
| lbt | is mds2 finished? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | no, i'm showing you this so it's possible for you to do something with it | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | i needed to verify something anyway | 10:37 |
| lbt | *g* | 10:37 |
| * lbt knows a sidetrack when he sees one | 10:37 | |
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| lbt | so how did sb2 get in there? | 10:39 |
| lbt | mer-core-armv7l-base.ks ? | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | take a random mer image, add it as a SB2 target, install qt development headers, run qmake in target, install glibc devel headers, compile sample .c file in target and run it | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | sb2 got installed alongside but you're not using 0.1 | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 10:40 |
| lbt | OK - I see what you've done | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | so i added 0.1 repos to SDK and updated to it's glibc and scratchbox2 install | 10:42 |
| lbt | sb2-init and then sb2 <cmd> | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | yes, add it as a sb2 target | 10:43 |
| * Stskeeps waits for pastie | 10:43 | |
| lbt | that sb2 is executing on host | 10:43 |
| lbt | not in sdk | 10:43 |
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| Stskeeps | let's not confuse things here.. | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | sb2 is in sdk | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | i don't touch my / from my laptop | 10:43 |
| lbt | so that's a nested sdk ? | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's easier to think of that part as a cross compile framework, calling it | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | 'sb2-as-sdk' is bad | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | as i just did | 10:44 |
| lbt | OK - so .... sb2 -t armv7l-mer -m obs-rpm-build bash | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | right, that tells it to use the armv7l-mer target we initialised, use mode obs-rpm-build, and execute 'bash' | 10:44 |
| lbt | then I'm in an sb2 dev-env | 10:45 |
| lbt | make, gcc, etc | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | right | 10:45 |
| lbt | what I was uncertain about is where / would take me | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3436059 shows how i got cross compilers, which makes you understand why i was talking about aggregates earlier | 10:45 |
| lbt | looking | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | (see 'armv7l-port') | 10:46 |
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| lbt | Error <creator>: Command 'qemu-arm-static' is not available | 10:47 |
| lbt | is that why you asked earlier? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | about the x86 vs atom, or what do you mean | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | basically sdk doesn't build against 0.1 so scratchbox2/qemu-arm-static/qemu-arm [dynamic] etc aren't in there | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | and yes | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | installing that is useful for mic | 10:48 |
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| Stskeeps | else it can't do arm images | 10:50 |
| lbt | yep - just added it to the yaml for sdk | 10:50 |
| lbt | sudo zypper ar http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.0.1/builds/armv7l/packages/ armv7l-port for cross-armv7l-gcc/binutils | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | i'd like to give them a /cross/ dir instead of packages/ | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | which can be safely added to sdk | 10:53 |
| lbt | that would make more sense | 10:53 |
| lbt | keep the rope short | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, just showing what can be done with it and some challenges encountered/how to solve them/etc | 10:54 |
| lbt | I'll replicate and put into sdk yaml | 10:54 |
| lbt | and note some todos | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | it is quite powerful proposition -- here, make an image, here's how to install packages into it, here's how to build software | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | all with cross compiler and fast tools | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | zypper, rpm, gcc, bash are x86 | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | packages=development headers | 10:56 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: there is unzip in mer but no zip? | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: woops? | 11:06 |
| Sage_ | or is it hidden in some other package | 11:06 |
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| Stskeeps | no, you're right | 11:06 |
| Sage_ | ok, well would be nice to have :) | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | task bug please | 11:07 |
| Sage_ | sure | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | where were we on gdb? | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | oh, submitted | 11:07 |
| Sage_ | yes it is in gerrit already | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | gdb -- i'd actually like libunwind | 11:08 |
| Sage_ | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194 | 11:08 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: well that could be task to add that. | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | or not, hmm | 11:10 |
| * Stskeeps glances | 11:10 | |
| Sage_ | I can do the packaging for zip if you want if you do repo for me. | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | make sure to update the sw | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | think there's some CVE's on it | 11:11 |
| Sage_ | I'm always checking upstream when pushing patches :) | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | done | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | mer-core/zip | 11:12 |
| Sage_ | k | 11:13 |
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| Sage_ | wow, zip and unzip haven't updated in a "while" :) | 11:17 |
| Sage_ | nice and stable software :) | 11:17 |
| Sage_ | zip in 2008 and unzip in 2009 | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:18 |
| Sage_ | there | 11:21 |
| lbt | where are they used? | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | unzip is used in toolchain side | 11:23 |
| lbt | vague thoughts about handling file attributes | 11:24 |
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| lbt | ahma: Bostik .... I'd like to announce a planning meeting for gettng Qt5 into Mer core - when's good for you? I'm thinking early next week? mon/tue | 11:30 |
| Bostik | lbt: moment | 11:31 |
| lbt | thinking Monday 13:30 UTC which is post-bug triage and pre RE meeting on Tuesday | 11:32 |
| Bostik | monday, after 11:30 EET (9:30 UTC ?) would be good | 11:32 |
| Bostik | which is a match; ahma, good for you? | 11:32 |
| lbt | OK - we can do monday morning | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | 9:30 UTC works for me too | 11:33 |
| Bostik | any time starting from 9:30 UTC on monday is good for me; at that point I should have both hands available :) | 11:34 |
| lbt | OK ... sending | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | let's check ahma is good with it first? | 11:35 |
| lbt | mm | 11:35 |
| lbt | yeah - just noticed that was Bostik twice :) | 11:36 |
| * lbt wants a "put this in drafts and send it in 30mins unless you re-edit it" option | 11:37 | |
| Bostik | email with dead man's switch | 11:38 |
| lbt | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/send-later-3/ | 11:43 |
| lbt | :) | 11:43 |
| dcthang | good news if Qt5 can be taken into Mer | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | let's see how we can do it the best | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | hello makdere | 11:55 |
| makdere | hello Stskeeps | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | welcome - so what brings you here to #mer ? :) | 11:55 |
| makdere | i was wondering around, and heard about mer project, read a little about from the project site | 11:56 |
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| makdere | and then came along here, just to watch what is going on | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | alright, got any questions we could help answer? | 11:57 |
| makdere | thanks a lot, not for now, just curiosity :) i will bother you if i have any ;) | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | alright, feel free to hang around :) | 11:58 |
| Sage_ | lbt: shouldn't there be a --numeric-owner also in sdk guide when extracting the rootfs? http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK ? | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | there should indeed be | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | and -p | 12:04 |
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| Sage_ | added those to guide | 12:07 |
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| Sage_ | lbt, timoph: the exit from mer-sdk-chroot doesn't umount automatically on my f15 (it it alraedy noted in wiki page) just FYI. | 12:14 |
| lbt | what happens? | 12:16 |
| Sage_ | lbt: http://pastie.org/private/qvurirqvmqpluve0tagkfq | 12:18 |
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| lbt | hmmm - do you start any bg processes in .profile .... like ssh-agent? | 12:19 |
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| lbt | or .bashrc | 12:19 |
| Sage_ | no .profile and only alias things in .bashrc | 12:20 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i had /proc/../usb mounted in my chroot at some point | 12:21 |
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| lbt | yeah - I'm definitely splitting the script into 2 parts | 12:21 |
| lbt | one will be "u/mount stuff" and the other "enter" | 12:21 |
| lbt | but Sage_ *something* is stopping that from umounting | 12:22 |
| lbt | ie has an open file on it | 12:23 |
| lbt | can you lsof/fuser it | 12:23 |
| lbt | oh, I see it was OK at the end of the pastie | 12:24 |
| Sage_ | lbt: hmmp | 12:24 |
| lbt | don't tell me... it's OK now :) | 12:25 |
| Sage_ | lbt: what to be exact if I do it for the mountdir from outside I get well a lot of stuff as my whole desktop is using things in my home | 12:25 |
| lbt | good point | 12:26 |
| Sage_ | and yes it is ok now :D | 12:26 |
| lbt | well, at least it noticed and warned you | 12:26 |
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| Sage_ | now it works without any problems :P | 12:26 |
| lbt | I think splitting will make this *much* less of an issue | 12:26 |
| eocanha | Stskeeps: how can I test that MDS is properly installed? What URL should I try, so that I can get contents and make sure it's working properly? | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | eocanha: curl http://yourip:8001/public/source/Core:i586 | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good start | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | does it show xml? | 12:28 |
| eocanha | no | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | yourip being changed into your ip, right? :) | 12:29 |
| eocanha | links says "error reading from source", and Chrome says "server closed connection without sending any data" | 12:29 |
| eocanha | yes, yes | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | alright, that's a start | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | did you python fakeobs.py 8001 or python tools/fakeobs.py 8001 ? | 12:29 |
| eocanha | I'm testing it with links in the same server where MDS is running. | 12:30 |
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| eocanha | /usr/bin/python /mer/release-tools/tools/fakeobs.py 8001 | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | so, your current working directory needs to be in /mer/release-tools | 12:30 |
| eocanha | does it need some kind of write permissions? | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | no, but it does need to have current working directory == /mer/release-tools | 12:31 |
| eocanha | ok, I'll check that | 12:31 |
| sonach | eocanha: I have note this on the wiki of the working directory... | 12:32 |
| sonach | eocanha: because I encounter the same error:) | 12:32 |
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| eocanha | I think that the current dir is fine, cause I launch it from a script like this: | 12:33 |
| eocanha | cd /mer/release-tools | 12:33 |
| eocanha | /usr/bin/sudo -u obsrun -s "/usr/bin/python /mer/release-tools/tools/fakeobs.py 8001" | 12:33 |
| eocanha | 12:33 | |
| Stskeeps | does /mer/release-tools/obs-projects/Core/i586 exist? | 12:34 |
| eocanha | and I've changed the /usr/bin/python command line to /usr/bin/sh and the shell appears in /mer/release-tools, so the current dir is being respected | 12:34 |
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| eocanha | yes | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | okay, any chance you can see logs from the fakeobs itself? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | it should throw an exception or the likes | 12:35 |
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| eocanha | hmmm... now I called python by hand passing the relative path to the script and it works. It should be something related to the path. | 12:38 |
| eocanha | I'll have a look into it. Thanks! | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | np | 12:38 |
| lbt | fyi ... mic seems to be unhappy on 1st run http://pastie.org/3436703 | 12:40 |
| lbt | this happened for each image variant .... just FYI | 12:40 |
| lbt | https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/0.20120209.0.1/images/mer-sdk-x86-chroot/ too fyi | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 12:42 |
| lbt | just in case you hit it | 12:42 |
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| Stskeeps | did you add rpm --rebuild db | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 12:43 |
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| lbt | yes | 12:43 |
| lbt | but mic 0.6 may not need it | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | and rm -rf /var/lib/rpm/__* ? | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | before rebuild | 12:44 |
| lbt | when I check the root the /var/lib/rpm/ has no __db files | 12:44 |
| lbt | it's not important right now... | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | give me .ks so i can try? | 12:45 |
| lbt | it's in that url dir listing | 12:46 |
| lbt | I didn't yet run it locally | 12:46 |
| lbt | (in a mer mic) | 12:46 |
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| Stskeeps | that's a really odd looking .ks, fwiw | 12:51 |
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| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3436806 | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | this is on a ssse3 machine though | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | but with i486 chroot | 12:55 |
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| lbt | why do you say it is odd? | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | well, it doesn't look like one of those that kickstarter makes, hence odd | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | nothing syntaxically wrong though | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | also, double @Mer Core | 13:02 |
| lbt | yes, I know why | 13:02 |
| lbt | I plan on redoing the cheetah template | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | mmk | 13:03 |
| lbt | it mandates stuff | 13:03 |
| lbt | like a partition for a rootfs | 13:03 |
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| lbt | also when we do inheritance and such we'll de-dupe groups and packages | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | well, rootfs mandating doesn't sound insane.. | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind this translates into a fstab | 13:04 |
| lbt | rootfs mandating a partition size for a fs image? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, okay, that's a bit useless | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | still, "free space" indicator on target fs? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:05 |
| lbt | *g* ... OK , that could be useful | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | i think mic is supposed to say if it won't fit | 13:05 |
| lbt | it's also perfectly reasonable for each 'config' to depend on a group | 13:05 |
| lbt | so if we look at inheritance more like requires than includes | 13:06 |
| lbt | anyhow ... bbiab .... walk+fresh air | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a plan | 13:06 |
| * Stskeeps is wrapping up work and switching to afternoon mode | 13:06 | |
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| * alterego has a go at the mer platform sdk. | 13:10 | |
| alterego | How come the SDK only has .ks files for x86 and atom? :( | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | because the sdk only runs on there atm | 13:14 |
| alterego | Oh, SDK | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | the images you get from mer itself | 13:14 |
| alterego | Right, I'm being an idiot ;) | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | .ks | 13:14 |
| alterego | I was getting confused with actual images ;) | 13:14 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, does anyone know where to get harmattan SDK sources? | 13:15 |
| alterego | What sources in particular? | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | well i'm curious how they're building the parts | 13:15 |
| alterego | Hmm, do you still have pmo? | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | not usable in mer if it has to be fetched through there | 13:16 |
| alterego | Unlike previous versions, it seems that harmattan SDK stuff isn't as open. Well, isn't open at all. :/ | 13:16 |
| alterego | I suppose some things you can get from the sdk repository for harmattan platform sdk. | 13:16 |
| Sage_ | lbt: About the macros and spectacle, so you propose that we would have Name: # >> macros1 # << macros1 and after all other things before %setup # >> macros2 ? Would we remove macros then or leave that in place? | 13:21 |
| alterego | http://wiki.debian.org/Mobile/Nokia_N9 | 13:26 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:26 |
| * alterego tries to build latest nemo image. | 13:30 | |
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| Stskeeps | might need to install qemu-usermode-static | 13:30 |
| alterego | In host or chroot? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | in the sdk | 13:30 |
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| alterego | zypper can't find it | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok, rpm -i http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.0.1/builds/i486/packages/i486/qemu-usermode-static-1.0.2011.12-1.2.i486.rpm | 13:32 |
| alterego | Cool | 13:32 |
| alterego | And where are the basic mer .ks files kept? | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120120.1/kickstarts/ is an older one | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | if you get a error about -kbd, remove it | 13:34 |
| alterego | Cool | 13:34 |
| alterego | Is "@Mer Connectivity", ofono, bluetooth, etc? | 13:36 |
| alterego | And QtMobility? | 13:36 |
| alterego | Ah, no qt-mobility. | 13:36 |
| * alterego has a play. | 13:36 | |
| Sage_ | X-Fade: sync ping | 13:41 |
| lbt | Sage_: I think I'd like to see a macros2 before setup as I think macros in << setup are only expanded at %prep time | 13:41 |
| lbt | alterego: latest ks will have qemu-u-static | 13:42 |
| Sage_ | lbt: sound ok to me | 13:42 |
| lbt | Sage_: otherwise yes | 13:42 |
| lbt | I'd say re-use macros as macros1 | 13:43 |
| lbt | so as not to change things too much - so the visible effect would just be Name: shifting up | 13:43 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: :nod: | 13:54 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: so should macros 2 be before or after %prep? And If those are inside %prep maybe call those MacrosPrep ? | 14:05 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/RpmSpecProposal#Macros_definition <- is there some reason for them to state that all macros should be here? | 14:07 |
| alterego | It'd be nice to have all the .ks files listed somewhere. | 14:07 |
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| alterego | Maybe even with a "compatibility chart", say, exo, N8x0, N900, n950, n9, etc, etc. | 14:08 |
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| lbt | Sage_: macros2 before prep | 14:10 |
| lbt | Sage_: the mandriva thing probably wont work for lua | 14:11 |
| lbt | lua is the only reason for our 'oddness' AFAICT | 14:12 |
| Sage_ | should # >> macros2 tags be hidden if there is not content, those are quite rarely used | 14:14 |
| lbt | yes if the docs are better :) | 14:15 |
| lbt | it took me forever to find the <<post ones.... | 14:15 |
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| lbt | I think a simple fully populated example in the docs would help | 14:16 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 14:19 |
| alterego | Hrm, can't build the i586 connectivity image. | 14:20 |
| alterego | Something about libc.so.6 | 14:21 |
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| Stskeeps | -A i686 | 14:27 |
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| alterego | Is that okay to use for the Exo? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | exo is atom | 14:29 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: there is README.md file in spectacle git btw :) | 14:42 |
| Sage_ | maybe something we should provide with spectacle if that is not provided with it atm. | 14:42 |
| lbt | yeah - this is the point of autodoc.meego.com | 14:42 |
| lbt | BOSS should run a doc publish on various process steps | 14:43 |
| lbt | like a release or a promotion | 14:43 |
| lbt | to ensure that docs in a package are easily viewed in a consistent location | 14:44 |
| lbt | I'd like to see http://autodoc.merproject.org/mint/spectacle/README.md or something | 14:45 |
| Sage_ | oh, ok. Well need to see the output of that spectacle version to fix it properly | 14:45 |
| lbt | *nod* | 14:45 |
| lbt | of course .. in the meantime cut'n'paste to the wiki is cool - or link to the github page or something | 14:45 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: https://meego.gitorious.org/~sage/meego-developer-tools/sages-spectacle/commit/00c2d0422906fc2d94cf4ada659ce314976f9beb Macros2 for you | 14:47 |
| * lbt adds mxr to the infra todo-list too | 14:47 | |
| lbt | neat - thanks | 14:48 |
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| lbt | nb ... for newbies ... Do NOT Edit the Auto-generated Part! \n Edit only between # >> and # << lines. | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:50 |
| lbt | and possibly include an http to the wiki page in the comments | 14:50 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 14:51 |
| * Stskeeps sends eglibc 2.15 for a tiny evaluation run | 14:51 | |
| Stskeeps | we'll be trailing the ubuntu eglibc, hope that's okay | 14:52 |
| lbt | I hate it when Denise asks me something, I say "sure" and then 5mins later wonder what I agreed to.... | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | (close to linaro toolchain) | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i've considered to have my n950 record all voice convo | 14:52 |
| lbt | usually my buffering handles it | 14:52 |
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| lbt | from what I recall eglibc/glibc sounds a bit like a wayland/Xorg/Xfree86 decision ... we'd be an early adopter of an evolutionary new area | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | debian has been using eglibc for ages | 14:55 |
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| Stskeeps | in 2009 | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't call that evolutionary new area | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:56 |
| lbt | in arm or in x86 ? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | both | 14:56 |
| lbt | OK - so it's a no brainer then. | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | i do want regression testing though | 14:57 |
| lbt | OTOH you know how fickle those debian types are | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | the n9 also uses it | 14:59 |
| * lbt off ... bbiab | 14:59 | |
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| Sage_ | mdfe_: is there source tarball of peregrine somewhere available? | 15:06 |
| Sage_ | or was it jbos who was pushing it? | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | was jbos | 15:08 |
| Sage_ | the last version I tried is 0.7.2 and latest seems to be 1.1 or soemthing | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | sounds like a good upgrade | 15:11 |
| rlinfati | where i can found the last version (git?) of mer-sdk-chroot ? | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | rlinfati: https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/0.20120209.0.1/images/mer-sdk-x86-chroot/ is very recent | 15:12 |
| rlinfati | as mer-sdk-chroot the file inside the tarball of the sdk | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | ah, sdk-chroot yo mean | 15:13 |
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| rlinfati | i edit my local version to support a) bind mount all less the home, b) correct the ssl cert copy from the host ( ubuntu 11.10 ) | 15:14 |
| rlinfati | and i wanna "commit" the changes. | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/lbt/sdk-kickstarter-configs | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | think this is it | 15:15 |
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| rlinfati | Stskeeps, thanks | 15:15 |
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| lbt | back | 15:18 |
| lbt | rlinfati: no need | 15:18 |
| lbt | rlinfati: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Advanced_details | 15:19 |
| lbt | ~/.mersdkrc | 15:19 |
| rlinfati | lbt, ohh, ok, but anyway you need change the line that copy the ssl certs from host to the chroot to "cp -aL /etc/ssl/certs ${sdkroot}/etc/ssl/" | 15:23 |
| lbt | OK | 15:23 |
| rlinfati | -L is because in ubuntu are a lot of symlink broken in the chroot | 15:24 |
| rlinfati | and the certs need be in /etc/ssl/certs/ and not in /etc/ssl/certs/certs | 15:24 |
| lbt | OK - if you'd like to send me a pull that's fine | 15:25 |
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| rlinfati | lbt http://paste.ubuntu.com/854161/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/854162/ | 16:03 |
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| * Stskeeps starts work on mds2. | 16:35 | |
| Stskeeps | . | 16:35 |
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| Stskeeps | philosophical question: should there be a i586 / i486 cross compiler | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 16:47 |
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| wmarone | I can't think of a reason why, honestly | 16:48 |
| wmarone | I don't know of any current platforms that fall under those bounds, certainly anything generally available is i686 or better these days... | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | well, in this case, i486 = non-atom, i586 = atom with ssse3 | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | it was in terms our platform sdk | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | +of | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | any news on nook? | 16:52 |
| wmarone | nop | 16:52 |
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| wmarone | other things came up, no time to dig into it | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 16:53 |
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| lbt | mic really really sucks at handling interruptions or errors | 17:11 |
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| Aard | why? standard python error handling, 'blow up as spectacularly as possible' | 17:15 |
| timoph | x) | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: saw my pasties earlier? | 17:18 |
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| lbt | and ... wtf.... when it crashes it rm -rf's the cache | 17:26 |
| Bostik | exception handling, HC way; try: do_stuff; except: raise | 17:26 |
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| lbt | ,.... and now it's trying to tar up /proc and /sys .... so how's that working for ya? | 17:49 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage_: could we talk about peregrine tomorrow? | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | hello Vicks | 18:07 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: /etc/mtab... | 18:13 |
| lbt | it's not present in the sdk which I think is causing issues | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab wasn't it | 18:14 |
| lbt | it should be, yes | 18:14 |
| lbt | or /proc/self/mounts | 18:14 |
| lbt | just trying to recall which package makes it and why it's not in SDK | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good question | 18:16 |
| lbt | not filesystem | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | carsten@monster:~/home:Admin:eglibc/glibc$ rpm -qf /etc/mtab | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | file /etc/mtab is not owned by any package | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | fun | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | on my fedora | 18:17 |
| lbt | mmm | 18:17 |
| lbt | btw.... mxt | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | mic bug? | 18:17 |
| lbt | mxr even | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | mxr reminds me a bit too much of the microsoft hack | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | and i think we might be having better use of our time and resources atm | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:18 |
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| lbt | it's *very* much on the back burner ... | 18:18 |
| lbt | but I'm just looking at the gitweb tarballs and cursing that I can't browse inside.... | 18:19 |
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| lbt | and then I look at my todo list and think ... if I leave this alone I'll get to the git task quicker.... | 18:19 |
| lbt | logging a bug that sdk has no /etc/mtab symlink | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think mer images has either | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to check | 18:20 |
| lbt | We can move it in triage - I *know* the SDK doesn't have - and the fix will be the same | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | so, <identifier>:<git reference>:<subdir within tree that contains a packages.xml for this port/variant> -- Core:master:armv7l -- Core:v0.20120109.1:i586 .. makes sense? | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | i'm doing mds2 | 18:24 |
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| lbt | are you planning to extract on demand? | 18:25 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm planning on accessing it straight in the git | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | as i can through the git interface | 18:26 |
| lbt | *nod* that's what I meant | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | ie, no checkouts | 18:27 |
| lbt | no, no need | 18:27 |
| lbt | <identifier> ... mer-core | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes, for instance | 18:29 |
| lbt | or Core:xxxx:<subdir> -> mer-core/<subdir> in gitweb | 18:30 |
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| Stskeeps | it looks up in mappings.xml which packages-git it corresponds to | 18:30 |
| lbt | OK | 18:30 |
| lbt | so I want to move from tarball in git to something else | 18:30 |
| lbt | so Core2 could have a different mapping | 18:31 |
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| lbt | so I wonder if the mapping could specify the extractor | 18:31 |
| lbt | eg raw-git for now | 18:31 |
| lbt | yeah ... you don't need to worry then | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm still not sure if pristine-tar is the best way or a _service kind of think with dist-files, freebsd style | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | but that's for the future | 18:33 |
| lbt | *nod* | 18:34 |
| lbt | mmm dinner is ready .... bbl8r | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 18:35 |
| lbt | glad I sorted mtab ... really held me up :) | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | hello VlAleVas | 18:54 |
| VlAleVas | Hi! I have a few questions. First of all: what is difference between Mer and Tizen? | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | VlAleVas: you can actually put Mer on a device is one :) | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | (at the moment) | 18:55 |
| VlAleVas | Such a great feature =) | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | VlAleVas: perhaps it's better to talk about what you're looking for in Mer, or Tizen | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | it's easy to get down to details about what Mer does better, what Tizen does better, but i'd much rather just sway you by showing what Mer is instead | 18:56 |
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| VlAleVas | Is Mer web or native based? | 18:57 |
| VlAleVas | P.S: sorry for my English, I`m from Ukraine | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's fine | 18:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Mer is a Qt/QML/HTML5/javascript core, the system is a typical linux base system, coupled with the Qt framework, so if you want to make a native UI in C++, you can, or if you want to make a product that's exclusively HTML5 apps, or QML interfaces, you also can do that | 18:59 |
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| Stskeeps | so, i'd say both : | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind that Mer is the engine, vendors/companies put UI on top (Qt/C++, HTML5, QML, OpenGL) and put it on one or more devices with hardware adaptations | 19:00 |
| VlAleVas | Thanks... Which devices are supported now? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace is a good start | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | architectually we support X86 (atom, non-atom), ARMv6 ARMv7, MIPS | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | but the hardware support level varies from device to device | 19:01 |
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| VlAleVas | Virtual Box — I like this device :-) | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | so do i :) | 19:03 |
| bigbluehat1 | Stskeeps: I think you need to build a bot that replies to every chat with "keep in mind that Mer is the engine…etc" :) | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | bigbluehat1: given enough talent in the community we'll have a nice intro video | 19:03 |
| bigbluehat1 | good idea! | 19:04 |
| VlAleVas | Sounds cool! | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | VlAleVas: so, are you approaching this as a developer, or a employee of a company wanting to make devices, or a user interface project or hardware porter? | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity, of course | 19:05 |
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| VlAleVas | I am not a developer, but it is my goal. Do you need translation in Russian? | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | VlAleVas: translations are likely to be in the user interfaces - for example Plasma Active. maybe at some point we will have handbook/manuals that need translation to russian to help russian developers use Mer better | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | VlAleVas: anyway, i have to go for a while - feel free to hang around and learn more about Mer. if you have any additional questions, feel free to ask here or on the Mer mailing list, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mailing_lists | 19:12 |
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| VlAleVas | OK, thanks! | 19:13 |
| timoph | interesting.. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-arm/2012-02/msg00041.html | 19:13 |
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| simon_arcomivi | hello:) simon here, I have a question about mcompositor | 19:15 |
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| simon_arcomivi | in die .desktop file I exchanged the mcompositor with another application, so mcompositor does not start anymore. It is still starting. the strange thing is that ps -A does not show it. | 19:17 |
| simon_arcomivi | so i am confused. | 19:18 |
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| Sage_ | lbt, Stskeeps: /etc/mtab is symbolic link that is created by systemd | 19:21 |
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| Sage_ | because sdk doesn't have systemd running the link is not there | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | simon_arcomivi: ps aux doesn't show mcompositor? | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | simon_arcomivi: can i see your /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch and ls -l /usr/share/xsessions ? | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: good to see they're taking arm seriously, a lot of server gains to be done | 19:26 |
| timoph | yeah | 19:26 |
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| simon_arcomivi | Stskeeps: ps aux does not show mcompositor | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok, let's take a look at your uxlaunch config and xsessions then | 19:30 |
| simon_arcomivi | Stskeeps: in my /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch is all commented out | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:30 |
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| simon_arcomivi | Stskeeps: and in /usr/share/xsessions there are 2 .desktop files ... | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok, default.desktop contents | 19:31 |
| simon_arcomivi | default.desktop links to X-MEEGO-HS.desktop | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and X-MEEGO-HS shows the right application? | 19:32 |
| simon_arcomivi | X-MEEGO-HS shows to the right application, not to mcompositor, the strange thing is... | 19:33 |
| simon_arcomivi | that my application starts at the very beginning and than... | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | and then gets taken over by the nemo interface? | 19:34 |
| simon_arcomivi | black screen appears with a message bubble "battery not charging" and mcompositor starts. | 19:34 |
| simon_arcomivi | this is strange. | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | ah :) | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | you're misunderstanding, it's meegotouch-home that starts | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | remove the things from /etc/xdg/autostart | 19:34 |
| simon_arcomivi | OH! | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | there is some things like systemui, meegotouch-home, to remove | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully we'll have platform SDK in a proper state soon so you can do your own totally custom image | 19:35 |
| simon_arcomivi | Stskeeps: ok, no problem, i will start with this, let me try it out. | 19:35 |
| simon_arcomivi | of course, uxlaunch launches all those .desktop files, stupid me! | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | i got confused by the same thing at one point too | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | and i even know the uxlaunch source :P | 19:37 |
| * timoph too | 19:37 | |
| Stskeeps | *** note for the logs: "insert your own homescreen" tutorial. lipstick perhaps. | 19:37 |
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| simon_arcomivi | Stskeeps: thank you for the hint... | 19:39 |
| timoph | btw, how's lipstick nowadays? | 19:40 |
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| Stskeeps | simon_arcomivi: np, looking forward to see a demo :) | 19:44 |
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| simon_arcomivi | I am working on it :] | 19:44 |
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| lbt | Sage_: OK - ta | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: we need to clone w00t | 20:08 |
| * w00t agrees | 20:11 | |
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| alterego | I should probably get more involved. | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | w00t -and- alterego | 20:27 |
| * Stskeeps hides the biovats | 20:28 | |
| alterego | I could do with a clone. Some one to do my paid work for me so I can do what I actually want to do ;) | 20:28 |
| alterego | Luckily my list of stuff I need to do is going down for a change :D | 20:29 |
| w00t | np: weird al yankovic - i think i'm a clone now | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i'm looking forward to my daily routine changeover at end of this month, what will i do with all that free time.. | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:29 |
| * Stskeeps glances at reddit and widelands | 20:29 | |
| w00t | i think i'd probably spend mine doing the same as i already spend my nights | 20:30 |
| w00t | :P | 20:30 |
| w00t | (well, except tonight, which is involving reinstalling my stupid laptop) | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | add on top of that, that i have like 3 weeks to myself in march | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | so much hacking.. | 20:30 |
| timoph | git clone w00t | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | so much pizza possible | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:30 |
| timoph | didn't work | 20:31 |
| alterego | Hah | 20:31 |
| w00t | blackberry sdk reinstalled: check, next up.. debian VM and scratchbox :( | 20:31 |
| w00t | er | 20:31 |
| w00t | chroot* | 20:31 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3436021 line 43 ... when I run this I get : Failed to cache rpm database (1). | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes, will explain tomorrow | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | now sleepytime | 20:44 |
| lbt | ok | 20:44 |
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| lbt | no shit... I have a nice sb2 epiphany and MerBot pisses off :) | 21:47 |
| lbt | so for the record | 21:47 |
| * lbt wonders ... is sb2 cross version of rpm built for ssse3 | 21:47 | |
| lbt | yep - copied /usr/share/scratchbox2/modes/obs-rpm-install to /usr/share/scratchbox2/modes/obs-rpm-install-lbt and removed the rpm from fs_rules.lua - so now it uses the arm rpm I guess and it works (kinda) | 21:47 |
| dm8tbr | sorry, had to do some maintenance | 21:49 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: hey, no problem - I did sound rather annoyed but wasn't :D | 23:25 |
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| lbt | hmmm problems building a fully populated image with cross-mipsel-gcc ... it seems mic is more piccy about arch - so zypper ar http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.0.1/builds/mipsel/packages/ mer-mipsel-cross-tools ; zypper in cross-mipsel-gcc is fine but sudo mic create fs /maemo/obs/build/Mer_Core_i586-i586-sdk-kickstarter-configs/home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/src/kickstarts/mer-sb2sdk-i486-chroot.ks -o . --arch i486 --release=0. | 23:47 |
| lbt | 20120209.0.1 isn't | 23:47 |
| lbt | bed then ... | 23:48 |
| lbt | (oh, I've gone back to i4/586 in image names as suggested) | 23:54 |
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