Wednesday, 2012-02-22

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lbtIMG is a bit messed up at the moment - picking i586 uses mic2 and picking i686 uses mic - or something00:17
lbtnm .. it's foobar00:22
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lbtwtf is 0.22 spectacle doing in Mer:Tools:Testing00:25
lbtsearch doesn't work... can't find a new spectacle .... bedtime I thing00:27
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mdikhi. i read that mer isnt aimed at endusers - but can someone here give me hints on how to get a linux distribution installed on a wm8650 device?03:12
mdiki only found dubious android hacks which don't really cater my needs03:12
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cxl000mdik If you can boot your own kernel on the device and use your own rootfs then you could develop an adaptation for Mer03:44
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Stskeepsmdik: what SoC is that?05:30
Stskeepswell, as in, what ARM version05:30
mdikis arm 11 descriptive enough? Stskeeps05:35
Stskeepsyeah, guess it is05:36
Stskeepsyou can run the armv6 rootfs'es on there05:36
mdikthe chip reads: wm8650 // 1138cd taiwan // blablabla05:36
mdikStskeeps: is that complicated?05:37
Stskeepsthe complicated part lays on hardware adaptation, building own kernel, making it boot your own rootfs, etc05:37
mdiki didnt want to do much more than i would do 5 years ago when i installed linux (:05:37
Stskeepsi can promise you you won't have to use floppy disks05:38
mdikit would be cool if someone who knows what (s)he is doing would adapt to that platform, because it is fairly cheap and thus widespread05:39
mdikyou can get those tablets for about 60 € off ebay05:41
mdikstraight out of shenzen05:41
Stskeepsyeah, the problem is however always graphics acceleration05:42
mdikgood idea: who ever wants to develop on a wm8650: i will send my device to you, if you live in germany or to any place else if you take the shipping costs.05:43
Stskeepsmost of us sadly have already work and hardware adaptations to work on05:43
mdiki c05:43
Stskeepsbut if you want to dive in and know how to hack with with kernels, mer's fairly straightforward to get started with05:43
Stskeepsthe 3d drivers is a problem though, you need to find them built for glibc05:44
Stskeepselse it's only 2d05:44
mdiki put myself into diaspora and xxxterm right naow, so no tablet-hacking for me /:05:45
Stskeepsalso other constraints: kernel has to be 2.6.32 or higher05:45
mdikyeah, this is out of my league, but thanks for your time (:05:46
Stskeepsno problem, just informing you what it takes to do hw adaptation :)05:46
mdikhardware and software. it's like ship and shore drifting apart and you - and your kernel - standing there, one foot onboard the other on land...05:48
Stskeepsi like to think of it as lego pieces getting put together :P05:50
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sonachStskeeps: morning!05:53
sonachStskeeps: I use platform SDK to do local osc build, it fails. But the same step on opensuse desktop is OK.05:54
Stskeepssonach: alright, show me the error?05:55
sonachStskeeps: is down??!!05:56
Stskeepslooks like that05:56
Stskeepstry ?05:56
Stskeepssonach: ls -l /usr/bin/qemu* inside the platform sdk05:58
Stskeepsanything showing?05:58
Stskeepshang on a minute then05:59
Stskeepsrpm -iv
Stskeepsand show me cat /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/arm*06:00
sonachStskeeps: it reports "Segmentation fault"!!06:04
sonachand I try "rpm -iv " again now,06:04
Stskeepsyes, i think we're running into a problem that me and someone else saw yesterday06:05
sonachStskeeps: still Segmentation fault, Is there any log I can show you?06:05
Stskeepsdo you have a machine that's able to run SSSE3 instructions (see /proc/cpuinfo)?06:06
sonachCan we solve it?06:06
Stskeepswell, seeing that it happens to three people always helps :)06:06
Stskeepscan you try and see if it happens on this platform sdk: ?06:07
sonachStskeeps: I have three machines, outputs of "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep SSSE3" are all nothing06:09
Stskeepsgrep ssse3, not uppercase SSSE306:10
sonachah, yes, I have06:11
Stskeepstry that out on thre06:11
sonachand then try the meego-mer-sdk-xxx?06:11
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Stskeepsand do the rpm -iv on there06:11
Stskeeps(note, i586, not i486)06:11
Stskeepsand tell me if it crashes06:11
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Stskeeps[07:11] <Stskeeps> and do the rpm -iv06:13
Stskeeps on there06:13
Stskeeps[07:11] <Stskeeps> (note, i586, not i486)06:13
Stskeeps[07:11] <Stskeeps> and tell me if it crashes06:13
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sonachStskeeps: OK. wait some minutes for me to download.06:15
phaeronStskeeps: the kernel booted yesterday. I was running the older an older kernel without the right stuff06:18
phaeronStskeeps: anyway wanted to ask you about the sdk kernel requirements06:19
Stskeepsright, i'd say not terribly much, what do you have in mind?06:21
phaeronStskeeps: well mostly what kvm provides , but I was thinking about the llvmpipe stuff, what is the minimum needed for that06:24
phaerondo we give the virtio-gl module a chance ? it was being developed for meego afati06:24
phaeronanyway , going for some more paperwork . so see you later06:24
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sonachStskeeps: this time, error: can't create transaction lock on /var/lib/rpm/.rpm.lock (Permission denied)06:37
sonachon mer-sdk-atom chroot.06:37
Stskeepssudo rpm -i ?06:38
Stskeepsif you're user06:38
Stskeepsin it06:38
sonachStskeeps: ls /usb/bin/qemu* gives results:)06:41
sonachStskeeps: I go out for about 5 minutes for some drink...06:41
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berndhsstskeeps pretending to be asleep ?06:45
Stskeepsberndhs: no06:45
berndhsi know you dont actually do that :)06:46
timophis the intention to give it the host side user or chroot user?06:46
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Stskeepstimoph: hmm?06:46
Stskeepsrephrase please06:46
timoph-u  System user to link into SDK (not needed if using sudo)06:46
timophnot written by me06:46
Stskeepsthat one makes even less sense :)06:46
sonachStskeeps: I am back and what to test next?06:46
timophnot sure I understand that06:46
Stskeepssonach: ok, so that went fine?06:47
timophgood. then I'm not the only one confused by that :)06:47
sonachStskeeps: yes, the rpm -iv is successful06:47
Stskeepssonach: ok, now cat /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/arm*06:47
sonachStskeeps: nothing06:48
berndhsi'm looking for mer images, are there more than these ?
timophseems those are added by lbt06:48
timophlbt: want to help me understand it? :p06:48
Stskeepssonach: ok, is there a /usr/bin/qemu-arm or qemu-arm static in the chroot ?06:48
Stskeepsberndhs: well, mer images for what purpose rather06:48
sonachStskeeps: /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static  /usr/bin/qemu-mipsel-static06:49
Stskeepssonach: ok, try to do a osc build now06:49
berndhsi got myself a cheap tablet, and want to see if I can put mer + rayorqt on it06:49
sonachStskeeps: ok:)06:49
Stskeepsberndhs: ok, so you'll want to use the platform sdk -- got a SSSE3 enabled machine?06:50
berndhsits an arm thing with android from asus06:50
timophhmmh. or have I written that06:50
* timoph is really confused now06:50
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berndhsi think similar machines work, dont know if this one has been tried06:51
Stskeepsberndhs: ideally i'd like you to wait 24 hours while we sort out something, try to boot your own kernel first06:52
berndhsok no rush06:52
berndhsso i should make an installer image like I did with meego tablet stuff maybe ? see if I can get a sign of life ?06:53
sonachStskeeps: no it is building. why are there several version of platform SDK? and which will be the 'official' one?06:53
sonachStskeeps: s/no/now06:53
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Stskeepssonach: we're investigating why the i486 one fails06:55
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timophok. it's written by lbt -
Stskeepssonach: the official one will be on releases.merproject.org06:55
sonachStskeeps: and the build success. so what I am using is not the official one?06:57
sonachStskeeps: And I have to wait some time before I introducing the Platform SDK to my team?06:57
timophbut anyway. I added parameters to the script so one can speficy what to mount into the rootfs (home and/or parent root)06:57
Stskeepssonach: we're working as fast as we can, the methods and content should be similar :)06:58
Stskeepssonach: the URLs might be changed06:58
sonachStskeeps: So I can introduce this mer-sdk-atom to my team now? or just wait some time.  please give instructions:)06:59
Stskeepsi think you can introduce it yes, the methods aren't going to change much06:59
Stskeepsjust tell them that the URL of the platform SDK will change07:00
sonachStskeeps: hmm, I think in platform SDK , I can just do 'zypper update'? Or I have to download a new one when the official one is released?07:01
Stskeepsthat part i'm not sure about, it's best to download new one when official one is released07:02
Stskeepsas it has proper repositories and so on in it07:02
sonachStskeeps: i see. the meego-mer-sdk-atom requires ssse3. but some machines may not support ssse3(I have 3 machine, 1 not support ssse3). So the official one will not require ssse3. Is that right?07:08
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Stskeepsyes, that's the idea07:11
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Stskeepsexcept i486 version right now crashes as you saw07:11
Stskeepsso we'll research why07:11
sonachStskeeps: One question. I find that OpenSUSE 11.4 can do the same jobs(osc build) quite well. So If I have one dedicated OpenSUSE 11.4, I am not necessary to use Platform SDK?07:12
sonachStskeeps: this is my collegue's question:)07:12
Stskeepssonach: you don't have to, but in next mer version until we have fully upstreamed the new cross compile, you will need platform sdk's osc07:13
Stskeepswe just try to make it easier to use mer tools and avoid many typical errors07:13
Maceri486 huh? :)07:13
StskeepsMacer: non-atom, in this case07:13
Maceratoms are 486?07:14
sonachStskeeps: yes, at least in Ubuntu, there will be errors:)  But why platform SDK's osc is related to the new cross compile?07:14
Macerthought they were lowefr clocked i68607:14
StskeepsMacer: they're i686 with ssse3, i said i486 == non-atom07:14
Stskeepssonach: because there is some changes that was needed to enable this new method :)07:15
sonachStskeeps: and osc from OpenSUSE does not keep up with the new method?07:15
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MacerStskeeps: i know.. i am just confused as to why you said "non-atom" i dont understand the relationship07:15
Stskeepssonach: not yet, it will soon07:15
Stskeepsbut it will take a little bit as we are discussing with the opensuse build service people07:16
sonachStskeeps: OK. Platform SDK is Mer's main development environment. So we use platform SDK is the direct way:)07:17
sonachStskeeps: ok, then if the new platform SDK is released, please inform us through mail-list:)07:18
Stskeepsyes, we fully intend to07:18
berndhsgood night, I'm not Stskeeps, I actually sleep :)07:27
Stskeepsi sleep pretty regularly 22-6:30am07:28
sonachStskeeps: very good sleep habit:)07:28
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sonachStskeeps: In the prj meta, there is "<repository name="prj_MerDS_Core_armv7l">". My question is, if there are more than one user's home project, should the repository name be the same or be different?08:11
Stskeepssonach: it doesn't matter, it will export into home:/yourusername:/prj_MerDS_Core_armv7l08:12
sonachah, i see:)08:12
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Stskeepsmoin mdfe_08:33
mdfe_good morning08:34
Stskeepslbt: something's awry in rpm for i486, getting segmentation faults08:37
lbtyes, I saw08:39
Stskeepsyou see same on your i486 machine?08:39
lbterror: cannot open Packages index using db4 - Permission denied (13)08:39
lbtyou said segmentation08:40
lbtno, really? :)08:40
lbtone thing that really annoyed me last night:  or  or
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lbtthere's no way to check what damned version things are08:42
lbtlike spectacle 0.22 ... grrr08:42
lbtso I need to check on :T:T and get that fixed up before we go too much further08:43
lbttimoph: yes, I've made extensive (!) changes to the chroot script08:43
lbttimoph: very much built around your initial version though08:44
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timophlbt: got your version somewhere in public?08:46
lbttgz file08:48
lbtI haven't made a git repo yet08:48
lbtshould :)08:48
timophwould help in contributing to it :)08:48
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timophadded to wiki08:58
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Stskeepslbt: can i see the .ks for mer sdk ?09:09
Stskeepsfor i486 and for i58609:09
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lbtalongside the images09:10
Stskeepsi don't see one for mer-sdk.tar.bz209:10
lbtStskeeps: this Harmattan Hostarch09:11
lbtyour instructions were: the important thing is to add Hostarch: x86_64 for %ifarch armblahblah for those prjconfs where jobs dont schedule09:11
Stskeeps%ifarch schedulername  Hostarch: x86_64 %endif09:12
Stskeepswith some \n's09:12
lbtso I was supposed to create a new one where blahblah = v7el09:13
lbtnot add it to an existing one where blahblah = *09:13
Stskeepswell, %ifarch for arm target09:13
Stskeepsnew one works too09:13
lbtsorry, this isn't enough to translate to ascii09:14
lbtthat OK now?09:14
lbtI had it in as line 3.509:15
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Stskeepsi found the cause of the i486 issue09:15
lbtgood - I've been stuck fixing schedulers09:15
Stskeepsbut i'd like you to declare you have some caffeine in your blood before i tell you what09:15
lbtmuch more fun :/09:15
lbtlets get Harmattan working first09:16
lbtI'll "look forward to it" .... :P09:17
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lbtStskeeps: oh Harmattan is still dead09:22
lbtwe've stopped sched and disp09:23
lbtpurged jobs09:23
lbtchanged prjvonf09:23
lbttriggered rebuild09:23
lbtstill hung in sched09:23
Stskeepslbt: define hung09:23
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vgarde_notmart: delayed ping09:41
notmartvgrade: yo09:41
notmartvgrade: just to confirm: you are coming to the active sprint from 7 to 8 march?09:41
mdfe_vgrade: I will be there too09:42
lbt"hung" = stuck in scheduled state09:42
Stskeepslbt: ok, i'll take a look09:42
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lbtFWIW I thought harmattan jobs were running - there've been no/few complaints09:43
X-FadeI got some complaints, but I was away on Monday :)09:44
vgarde_notmart: I'm still planning to attend but its not 100% confirmed yet, I'll know 100% by the end of the week09:44
vgarde_mdfe_: hi, have you beeb away09:44
notmartvgrade: oki09:44
notmartvgrade: just for logistics, you would need accomodation right?09:45
vgarde_notmart: if you let me know what hotel I can reserve09:46
vgarde_Stskeeps: I can take the Pi kernel packaging09:46
Stskeepsvgarde_: ok09:47
notmartwe were thinking of just reserve in block, if you prefer to do it yourself if still don't know if you can yet i'll check if it has already been done and stop just in case ;)09:47
notmartvgrade: hope you can make it tough ;)09:47
lbtX-Fade: so Stskeeps' copy is buildin09:49
vgarde_notmart: if you are doing a block then pencil me in for the night of the 7th09:49
lbtI think the answer he meant is to pass his account details to vasvlad so he can build there...09:49
Stskeepsno, just saying that you have some state problem that isn't related to prjconf09:49
Stskeepsthere might be a bad cross marker09:50
Stskeepsremove the repository in home:vasvlad and re-add it09:50
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lbtUnable to delete repository; following repositories depend on this project:09:51
X-FadePretty annoying that an admin can't do that :)09:52
lbtremoved repo09:53
lbtgone from list09:53
lbtrestored - still hung09:53
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X-FadeI wonder if that info gets cached somewhere.09:54
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lbtI honestly don't know09:55
lbtI mean it must09:55
lbtbut where, in what....09:55
lbtthere is a job with no :status09:55
lbtOK ... big splurge09:56
lbtno change09:56
X-FadeThat was me.09:56
X-Fadescanned the repo, just to be sure.09:57
Stskeepsdid you try forcing a rebuild?09:57
lbtdeep check not helping09:57
lbtthe scheduler thinks it is building09:57
lbt    scheduled: 109:57
lbt    building: 1, notready: 1, unfinished: 109:57
lbtstill scheduled09:59
Stskeepschange the name of the repo?09:59
X-FadeThat did something.10:01
lbtname it back and ...10:02
X-FadeAt least it is consistent :)10:03
lbtdeleting orphaned cross marker x86_64/home:wonko::Harmattan::meepasswords-546aa65aba26721006a5d529c28c830b:armv7el:cross10:05
lbtobs_admin --rescan-repository home:vasvlad  Harmattan armv7el10:06
lbtwhereas --deep-scan fails10:06
X-FadeGo figure10:07
lbtrescan tells the scheduler to look10:07
lbtI guess deep-check is more dependency oriented10:08
lbtRTFC I guess10:08
X-FadeRTWP, probably.10:08
lbtso I removed the job and did a rescan10:08
X-FadeOk, well it does something now :)10:09
lbtthis was the kind of thing I wanted in an ops guide10:09
lbtStskeeps: OK ... "hurt me plenty"10:10
Stskeepslbt: so, as you know, mic/mic2 uses host rpm to install the file system and the db4 version is host's.. and on occasion, this is not equal to mer's10:11
Stskeepslbt: we have this tidbit in most .ks'es:10:11
lbtah yes, I've seen that10:11
Stskeepsrm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*10:11
lbtso we need a rebuild of the db10:11
Stskeepsrpm --builddb10:11
Stskeepserr, rebuilddb10:12
lbtcool - easy10:12
Stskeepsand that should really really be in mer kickstarter configs :)10:12
Stskeepsas everybody will need that %post10:12
lbtit will be10:12
lbtcan I do nested inheritance in kickstarter yaml ?10:12
Stskeepsdefine nested10:13
lbtsome aggregation would be nice10:13
lbtin the configurations I have a lot of ...10:13
lbtmmm that's old10:14
Stskeepsso, a declaration can't inherit from another declaration10:14
Stskeepswhich kinda sucks but patches welcome10:14
lbtOK - good answer10:15
lbtso SDK is messed up for many reasons - one biggy is that the versions of stuff seem random10:16
lbtI need to get that sorted out first10:16
Stskeepsuntil then we can provide the rebuilddb advice i guess10:16
lbtoh, I can add that and update the ones I built on img10:17
lbtI hate that the ks is only available in an rpm10:17
lbtso I have to osc build then install the rpm to get the .ks10:17
lbtor dig it out of a buildroot10:17
lbt(which is what I do)10:17
Stskeepsi stated i didn't have any strong feelings about that part10:18
Stskeepsso it can be made in platform sdk, or in a rpm10:18
lbtmmmk I thought you wanted the rpm approach10:18
lbtwell, we know now :)10:18
Stskeepsrpm helps for the release process phase10:18
lbtI think I'll back away from rpm for the .ks for now and then revisit it as we need to release10:19
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lbtshould let people download an sdk, run "make ks" and build a new SDK10:20
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lbtwhich is easy10:20
lbtI have a call in 10m so bbiab10:20
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Sage_lbt: did the i486 work?10:24
lbtSage_: yes :)10:26
lbtneed to sort out version numbering for our mic though10:27
Sage_lbt: ok, so probably not using other parts of that code in there10:29
lbtphone ... bbiab10:29
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Stskeepsjukkaeklund: remember what things that broke in the llvmpipe image?11:42
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jukkaeklundstskeeps, well the black screen11:48
jukkaeklundorientation is problematic11:51
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* andre__ got Mer shirt. thanks!12:13
lbtandre__: cool12:18
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lbtfood then SDK13:07
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Sage_lbt,Stskeeps: diff against fakeobs doesn't seem to work anymore
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lbt*sigh* ... log a bug .. high prio13:16
Stskeepsnever did in UI13:17
Stskeepsi might be wrong13:18
Sage_Stskeeps: it worked before as I used it before :)13:18
Stskeepshmm ok13:18
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Sage_it was handy way to checking things :P13:18
Stskeepsi don't see anything wron?13:19
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StskeepsSage_: what do you see?13:26
Stskeepsi see factual diffs13:26
Stskeepsbut not when i log in, it seems13:27
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Sage_lol, it works when not logged in :D13:32
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Sage_Killed Job13:37
Sage_No buildstatus set, either the packager broke the base system (glibc/bash/perl) or the build host has a kernel or hardware problem, OBS server will retry...13:37
Sage_xdg-utils review13:37
Stskeepsyes, normal13:39
Maceri see on the merproject wiki there are people owrking on the transformer13:43
Maceranybody here? :) i'm trying to figure out the steps to install mer onto mine13:43
Macerall it says is "talk to the ac100/trimslice/transformer kernel guys13:44
Macerso who is an ac100/trimslice/transformer kernel guy?13:44
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lbtStskeeps: fyi I have not yet applied
lbt(just came across the tab)13:55
Stskeepsok, it should be the fix for all things13:56
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vprints_mobileif i would like to translate Spark to my language then should i translate Mer to accomplish that?14:10
lbtvprints_mobile: no, the majority of any translation effort will be in the UX layer14:13
vprints_mobileok, could You point me to that?14:14
lbttry #active :)14:14
vprints_mobilethanks :)14:15
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eocanhaI'm following the instructions to setup a Mer Delivery System from but the git clone for the release-tools is failing with HTTP 503 Service Unavailable15:15
eocanhais there any other alternate place to do clone from?15:15
Stskeepseocanha: what URL are you cloning from specifically?15:15
eocanhagit clone
Stskeepshang on15:16
eocanhathe one in the wikipage15:16
eocanhaNow it works. Thanks!15:18
Stskeepsgerrit gets a bit weird at times15:18
Stskeepscould you file a bug about that issue at so we remember this problem occoured?15:19
Stskeepsand note i restarted gerrit to fix it15:19
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eocanhaMer Infra or MINT bugzilla product?15:21
StskeepsMer Infra15:21
Stskeepsgenerally we catch wrong placements in our weekly triages anyway15:22
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lbtdeleting mic2 from Mer Tools - any objections?15:30
Stskeepskill the witch15:30
lbttoes now curling....15:31
Stskeepslbt: btw, merds as part of platform SDK, for/against?15:34
Stskeepsit does have a lot of deps15:34
lbtmerds ?15:35
lbtagainst I think15:36
lbtMDS is part of server infrastructure15:36
lbtwould be my rationale15:36
lbtcertainly would defer it until a use-case came up15:37
lbtwe have enough on the list :)15:37
lbtyou could do me a favour though15:37
lbt prj=Mer:Tools:Testing15:37
lbtfor pkg in $(osc ls $prj) ; do echo -n "$pkg : "; ch=$(osc ls $prj $pkg | egrep ".changes$"); osc api "/source/$prj/$pkg/$ch" | head -1; donebtrfs-progs : * Thu May 26 2011 Junfeng Dong < >- 0.1915:37
lbtfor pkg in $(osc ls $prj) ; do echo -n "$pkg : "; ch=$(osc ls $prj $pkg | egrep ".changes$"); osc api "/source/$prj/$pkg/$ch" | head -1; done15:38
Stskeepsand that does what15:38
lbtthat will give ~ versions of tools in Testing15:38
lbthead of changelog15:38
Stskeepssec, i have to order a pizza15:38
lbtof course.... high prio15:39
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Stskeepsthere's a online ordering place here where you can order steak dinners online15:41
Sage_%{lib} is /lib right?15:42
Sage_or is it %{_lib} ?15:42
lbtStskeeps: dangerous!15:42
lbt /usr/lib of course15:43
vgarde_Macer: hi15:43
Sage_/usr/lib is %{_libdir}15:43
lbtuse /lib15:44
lbtand then when specify complains.. you'll know15:45
* lbt notes osc is at 13115:45
Stskeepsosc should be upstream + sb2-obs patches in our sdk15:46
lbtnb ... add me to
lbtand phaeron and sage15:47
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Stskeepswhat's phaeron's user name?15:50
vgarde_i think15:52
* lbt rather likes specify handling of SCM:15:52
lbtI'm removing the meego default patch though15:53
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Stskeepsi'm travelling too much. i have difficulties finding anything but euros in my wallet15:56
Stskeeps(and we don't use euros.)15:57
lbtworse ... I recognise them15:57
lbtOK specify then gets annoying .... it downloads the git as osc-0.133.1^{}.tar.bz215:58
Stskeepsthat doesn't sound right15:58
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lbtif you specify the version as 0.133.1 and run specify ... it gets the right tag but somehow messes up the name15:59
Stskeepslbt: - newbie's experience with a beagleboard-xm16:04
Stskeeps(just you can see how reality is outside mer)16:04
lbtI'll take a look - good to see pain points16:05
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lbttum-te-tum ... python-m2crypto16:07
lbtand xml16:07
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Stskeepsevening jukkaeklund16:09
Paimen_evening, just because my hilite alerted me too16:09
Sage_lbt: about macros this is the simple thing that you mean in right?16:10
Stskeepshehe, hey there too :)16:10
Stskeepsjukkaeklund: dove a bit more into the black screen in virtual machine issue, might have a fix on the horizon tomorrow16:10
lbtsage - yes, that's the kind of thing - will it allow       testv; %{version} - it should16:11
Sage_lbt: yes16:12
lbtSage_:  what's a ; then ... I'm not used to seeing that16:13
lbtname/value pair?16:13
Sage_lbt: :nod:16:13
Sage_used in spectacle in general like that16:13
Sage_like ExtraSources is list of file;path16:13
Sage_also this is at times missed thing
lbtso if we're doing a new version ....16:14
lbtabout the <<< reorg too ?16:14
Paimen_was maliit in use on nemo?16:14
StskeepsPaimen_: sure, it's a great VKB framework16:15
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Paimenwell I need to do study how usable it would be for us16:15
Paimenwell "I" meaning someone from my team16:15
Stskeepstry it out, it works on several different frameworks and is quite flexible16:16
Paimenour own VKB is not so good, so need to find out if it would be more sense to use Maliit instead banging head to brickwall with our implementation16:16
Sage_lbt: I think there is need for two places for macros. One might want to have tarballname-%{version}-%{upstream-release-id}.tar.gz and then the upstream-release-id needs to be defined on the top right?16:16
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lbtSage_: I think I wanted to have this
Sage_lbt: oh, so name only above macros?16:17
lbtbut yes ... macros2 may make sense post the main chunk too16:17
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lbtto my mind Name is the only thing that is absolute16:18
Bostikoh sorry, wrong window16:18
Sage_ok, need to think about that but I don't have anything against it atm. at least :)16:18
lbtyeah, eg I've had Description contain a macro16:18
Sage_MacrosPre and MacrosPost maybe?16:18
lbtpre and post tend to have meaning16:19
lbtso I'd say 1/2 to avoid relating the idea of pre/post16:20
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lbtget your head around when macro expansion happens16:20
lbtand in particular when lua interpolation happens16:21
lbtbecause you can define a macro before the thing *in* the macro has a value as long as you expand it *after* the thing has a value16:21
lbtthis will affect how 1/2 works :)16:22
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lbtbut I think lua is expanded and executed as it is parsed16:22
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lbtso if you use lua it has to be written after values are assigned (eg, in particular) Name:16:23
lbtmy main use is to have a lua look in %{Name16:23
lbt}.changes for the Version16:23
* lbt is done and goes back to osc :)16:24
* Sage_ needs to think this more with time :)16:25
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vgarde_Paimen: I met John Nordby from Maliit at FOSDEM after he gave a presentation.  Since they did the N9 work they are are looking for other projects to work with and I know they have had meetings with the Plasma Active guys on replacing their  VKB16:44
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Paimenvgrade: thanks for info16:45
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lbthey peinguin17:23
peinguinI have difficulty with install Mer on HP Touchpad17:24
Stskeepspeinguin: you might want to catch
Stskeepshe's in mexico right now though, it seems17:25
* Stskeeps kicks off next prerelease17:27
peinguin I use this manual. But when I launch uImage I have17:28
lbt /usr/include/openssl/opensslconf.h:31: Error: CPP #error ""This openssl-devel package does not work your architecture?"". Use the -cpperraswarn option to17:28
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peinguinmount point /mnt/boot does not exist17:28
Stskeepslbt: what arch do you get that one on?17:29
Stskeepslbt: take a look at openssl.spec and it makes more snse17:29
peinguinwhere meego.uImage find /mnt ??17:30
Stskeepspeinguin: sorry, don't know17:31
peinguinIn N900 must separately create directory /mnt?17:32
Stskeepsi think you aren't supposed to mix n900 and touchpad instructons17:32
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Stskeepslbt: happen to know where phaeron has his copy-whole-project patches?17:34
lbthe has a github clone - I think they're on there17:35
peinguinwhere I can get armv7hl?17:35
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Stskeepspeinguin: you'd have to make them yourself17:37
peinguinCan I get precompiled?17:38
Stskeepsat the moment no17:38
Stskeepsthe binaries are already compiled, but images aren't made17:38
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lbtStskeeps: so no, the spec file doesn't clarify it17:41
peinguinwhere I can see manual?17:41
lbtthat error occurs on all arches btw17:41
peinguinarmv7hl image include meego.uImage?17:42
Stskeepspeinguin: i think you'd be best off contacting crevetor as a start17:43
lbt(all = both, i586 and i486)17:43
Stskeepslbt: # Determine which arch opensslconf.h is going to try to #include.17:43
Stskeepsand down17:43
Stskeepslbt: i'm not giving away the answer as this is something you're going to encounter in many fedora packages17:44
Stskeepsit shouldn't break, naturally17:44
lbtneed to change the #include to opensslconf-${basearch}.h17:44
Stskeepsno, it should work in the first place17:45
Stskeepsie, include the right one when including opensslconf.h17:45
lbtOK - I'll dig into it17:46
* Stskeeps gets out dia17:51
lbtStskeeps: tbh I've never known where arch specific defines are set - so clearly __i386__ should be defined but equally it seems totally wrong to do it in a specific package17:53
Stskeepswell, __i386__ should be a compiler define17:54
Stskeepsand ifdef'ed instead17:54
Stskeepsadmittedly we don't really use multiarch17:54
lbtor, if we handle arch definitions in a distinct way, then we rewrite that opensslconf.h to use our values17:54
lbtso this is a toolchain problem for the i486 toolchain17:55
Stskeepsit fails on i586 too?17:55
Stskeepsgrab config.log just for good measure?17:56
lbtmmm which config.log ?17:56
lbtfor openssl ?17:56
Stskeepsfor the one that fails naturally17:57
lbtI don't know what a config.log is17:58
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Stskeepsconfig.log is what configure spits out when it fails or succeeds, with outputs of all test cases, etc17:59
lbtit doesn't run configure :)17:59
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lbtline 9317:59
lbt#define __i386 117:59
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lbt106 #define __i386__ 118:00
lbtso it is defined18:00
Stskeepsbut also __i386__18:00
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lbt#if defined(__i386__)18:01
lbt#include "opensslconf-i386.h"18:01
Stskeepsso that should work18:01
lbtso that should work18:01
Stskeepswe're sure opensslconf-i386.h gets included in openssl?18:01
lbtI'm in the osc build chroot btw18:01
Stskeepsand it's there?18:02
lbtand in any case it's not an error it's a cpp #if/else printout18:02
lbtOK ... I'll dig some more18:02
lbtfood first18:02
lbtglad I wasn't being a total idjot18:03
Stskeepsis it swig which doesn't process those?18:03
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Stskeepslbt: brainstorming..
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Stskeepshello thetav201218:33
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Stskeepsevening slaine :)18:38
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lbtin :       #self.swig_opts.append('-D__i386__') # Uncomment for early OpenSSL 0.9.7 versions, or on Fedora Core if build fails18:38
Stskeepssounds like an issue on arm and others too18:38
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lbtwell opensslconf.h doesn't have an arm variant18:43
Stskeepsit doesn't?18:43
Stskeepsi wonder htf this built in the past18:43
Stskeepsyou're right18:44
Stskeepsplease file a bug18:44
lbtnb m2crypto is a new import for mer AFAICT18:44
lbtI pulled it from opensuse18:44
Stskeepsbut it wasn't in meego?18:44
lbthonestly I didn't look ... :)18:45
lbtyeah - was looking at 1.2:oss ... older though I'm on 0.21.118:47
lbtnot 0.20.218:47
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Stskeepsphaeron: where would i find your copy-whole-project patches?19:39
phaeronStskeeps: locally only unfortunately19:43
* phaeron just came back an hour ago19:43
Stskeepsah ok19:44
lbtused the meego-hack to make it work - not nice. I guess it's a swig bug19:45
* Stskeeps subscribes to lwn..19:45
Stskeepsphaeron: -- would this be feasible with your copy-project patch?19:45
phaeronI don't see anything that makes it not possible right now19:50
* lbt looks at Stskeeps.... we have m2crypto in core... it's a python package without python in the name .... neat.19:51
Stskeepslbt: it's in core?19:51
lbtwell, on the plus side I have a newer version :)19:51
phaeronStskeeps: what do you think can't be done now ?19:52
Stskeepsphaeron: well, one irritating part is the project links not respecting enable-disable of archs19:53
Stskeepsphaeron: i think that the general concept will work, just brainstorming on how we can do better releasing and building19:53
Stskeepswhere your idea fits in19:53
phaeronyeah it'll make it more effecient19:54
phaeronor _should_19:55
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Stskeepsso that's how i would like to model the new releasing process19:55
Stskeepsie, copies of former/base release, make change, release, etc..19:55
Stskeepsalso makes quite a nice basic CI operation19:56
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Stskeepshence why i was interested to see them :)20:00
phaeronsure , I'd really like to finish them too, they will help a lot with our standard (nemo) process20:02
Stskeepswhat's missing with them, in your mind?20:03
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* lbt builds an SDK with correct osc, spectacle, mic and kickstarter20:08
Stskeepsand rebuilddb %post ?20:08
lbtand that :)20:09
lbtalthough no, I cheated on that bit20:09
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Stskeepslbt: good work though :)20:25
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lbtty and fixed20:26
lbtthough I need to fixe mer-core configs too I think20:26
lbtnb .. the rpm thing20:26
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Stskeepsfile a bug so we can track the issue?20:26
lbtis that endian or 64/32 that makes it fail20:26
Stskeepsthe location of the moon on the sky20:26
Stskeepsi hope some of it goes away when switching to a modern libdb20:27
Stskeepsbut yeah, 64/32 certainly doesn't help either20:27
lbtI was thinking it shouldn't be an issue using the SDK20:27
lbtunless it was one of those20:27
Stskeepseither way, rebuilddb is good to do20:27
Stskeepsespecially for arm targets20:27
lbtheh ... I just wanted the comment to be accurate :)20:28
* lbt found a bug in emacs20:30
lbtthe calendar missed pancake day20:30
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* Stskeeps waits for qt-mobility to build20:32
Stskeepsqt had an annoying tendancy to put timestamps into moc-generated code20:33
Stskeeps-> rebuild mayhem20:33
lbtmer ks makes a mer user ... with uid 500 ..... guess my uid?20:35
lbthey, at least the bug hits me20:36
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phdeswerlbt, weird I thought most distros started at 1000 for uid's...20:37
lbtphdeswer: I predate that20:37
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phdeswerok :)20:38
* phdeswer reads the website. 20:38
phdeswerThinking of a spark and want to know where Mer is at these days20:38
lbtcomments welcome20:38
lbtpretty stable20:39
lbtwe're working on improving the efficiency of the build and verification processes20:39
Stskeeps(and development..)20:39
lbtlowering barrier for platform development with an SDK20:39
phdeswerStskeeps, Too bad  we did not meet at Fosdem btw. How was the mobile room?20:41
Stskeepssurprisingly well attended20:41
Stskeepswe had to keep out 30+ people out of the tizen talk20:42
phdeswerOk :) I must say I was a bit surprised to see that the programme was totally full with presentations.20:42
Stskeepsit's all about querying in the right forums20:42
Stskeepsi didn't have a chance to visit embedded this time around20:42
phdeswerStskeeps, let's try to co-ordinate efforts again next year. People were a bit confused and came to ask me things about that small embedded room.20:43
Stskeepsyeah, agreed20:43
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phdeswerGreat :)20:44
phdeswerNow off to read the wiki.20:44
Stskeepsi'm a bit inclined towards a more discussion oriented / workshop next year20:44
Stskeepsit got a little fast with all the talks20:44
Stskeepsphdeswer: you should give Nemo latest versions a shot.. the thing is beautiful and quite well working these days too20:45
lbtit needs a ring-tone selector20:45
lbtwhich is an awesome bug to be up to :D20:45
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Stskeepsring tones are surprisingily difficult20:46
phdeswerStskeeps, well lots of discussions and demos in the embedded room this year.20:46
phdeswerOk will look. But atm I just am temporarily assigned to Nokia Ulm so I only have my pandaboard to play with. (which atm is my debian armhf build box)20:47
Stskeepsi should really get a pandaboard..20:48
* Stskeeps gets back to killing timestamps20:48
lbtStskeeps: did you just do a release?20:48
lbtah - no, sorry - it's redownloading all the packages20:49
lbtand I thought they'd changed20:49
lbtthe cache is in the SDK20:49
Stskeepslbt: i did 0.120:49
Stskeepsnot a full release20:50
Stskeeps(prerelease, i dont change links20:50
lbt didn't change?20:50
lbtOK - just checking that "latest" meant "latest release" and not "latest including prerelease"20:51
Stskeepslatest means latest full release20:51
* lbt waits for new SDK to download itself20:51
lbtand makes a note to find a way to move the mic cache out20:52
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Stskeepsi'm sending the updates storm of 0.1 to cobs now20:59
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